Census report: Number of uninsured Americans grows to 46.3 million.
By on Sep 10th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Census report: Number of uninsured Americans grows to 46.3 million.
A new Census report finds that, in 2008, the number of people without health insurance increased from from 45.7 million to 46.3 million (the number of uninsured has increased by 7.3 million since 2000). The report suggests that a weakened economy and rising health care costs are pushing more Americans towards so-called safety-net coverage. According to the data, “the percentage of people covered by government health insurance programs increased to 29.0 percent in 2008,” up from from 27.8 percent in 2007. The uninsured rate declined significantly for Americans under 18 and over 65 — the two groups who are eligible for government-sponsored coverage. The Wonk Room has more on the importance of public programs.
Update Pat Garofalo highlights the new poverty data: The poverty rate has risen to an eleven-year high of 13.2 percent, with 39.8 million people in poverty (an additional 8.3 million people fall below the poverty line under Bush).
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But those people don’t contribute to Republican campaigns.
Insurance corporations do.
September 10th, 2009 at 11:17 am“the percentage of people covered by government health insurance programs increased to 29.0 percent in 2008,”
– - Those Marxist, Socialist, Communist stooges. They ought to be judged by a death panel.
September 10th, 2009 at 11:22 ambut but but my Republican friends tell me its not a problem!!
September 10th, 2009 at 11:26 amThese numbers are just the tip of the iceburg. There MILLIONS under-insured. Those so-called ‘Polls’ where everyone says they are satisfied with thier insurance are bogus. Who are they polling? Young people? Unemployed? Or the people they usually poll. The mostly elderly who are satified with their ‘Medicare’? Remember in 2008 and in 2006? MSM said in 2006, The Repugs would hold onto the House and Senate. And in 2008 The race between Obama and McCain was to close to call. Yeah Right! Obama kicked his but with 365 electoral votes compared with McCain’s measly 160 something. Score another one for the ‘Liberal’ MSM!
September 10th, 2009 at 11:28 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
So, it is okay for people to go without health care while we bail out the financial sector? Do I have that right?
Pass health care reform now, Congress. We hired you to do a job, now do it.
September 10th, 2009 at 11:30 amtokin librul, is that you joe wilson?
September 10th, 2009 at 11:33 amphoto caption: “eh, who needs it…”
that backdrop reminds of how much i hated their graphics…
September 10th, 2009 at 11:34 amtoo busy, very tacky…
Joe Wilson believes that the number 46.3 million , is a lie ……….
September 10th, 2009 at 11:35 amAs we see more people lose their jobs and have to down size we learn the Insurance Companies are increasing the Primiums as they have already gone up 22 per cent. Now if Republicans are successful in blocking the Obama Health Care Plan the Primiums will go up 40 per cent more. Yes Rep. Wilson knows this as all the other GOP/Dems on the Insurance payrolls. Those who have insurance will blame Obama for their insurance going up and Republicans will say if McCain/Palin were in office this would never have happen. Bush/Cheney programed American Citizens to believe what their told and don’t read or use your brain and it has worked very well for 8 years so the GOP is just continuing the formular. Rep. Wilson has already gotten 260,000 dollars from the Insurance Companies for his vote and with his preformance he will get another big check. Look for other Law Makers who aren’t yet on the take to join in to get their free money for a vote.
September 10th, 2009 at 11:37 amWell after last night the repugs will be smarting for a while they took a good old fashion spanking (not on there monkeys) that it will be a few days before they can sit back down.
YES lets call out the lies and disinformation.
September 10th, 2009 at 11:40 amMCMetal says: Joe Wilson believes that the number 46.3 million , is a lie ……….
This is the biggest problem with the Republican cult – they believe what they wish to be true rather than what is…
September 10th, 2009 at 11:40 amThe rising cost of health insurance is a tax on all working Americans.
Why are Republicans suddenly so pro-tax?
September 10th, 2009 at 11:40 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
RantingTommy says:
The rising cost of health insurance is a tax on all working Americans.
Why are Republicans suddenly so pro-tax?
well see you hit it “tax on all working Americans” and its a tax on them not there rich friends, so to them its not a tax.
weird logic i am guessing. well then again you have to be able to understand logic.
September 10th, 2009 at 11:45 amSTORM, dunno, why don’t you ask joe wilson?
September 10th, 2009 at 11:45 amSTORM says:
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What happened to 30 million the President sited last night?
September 10th, 2009 at 11:43 am
He lied ………….Just ask Joe Wilson ……..You GOP tool
September 10th, 2009 at 11:46 amkaty @ 11:34
Too…….not true?
I found it both annoying and amusing that KKKarl always hung a banner over bush’s head, clarifying exactly what lie they wanted us to believe.
September 10th, 2009 at 11:46 amAnd the tradition lives on at foxnews.
Oh, oh, Storm’s busted Obama on his speech. Turns out the problem is even worse and we need reform even more. Thanks for pointing that out, Storm!
September 10th, 2009 at 11:47 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
NinerFan says:
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Oh, oh, Storm’s busted Obama on his speech. Turns out the problem is even worse and we need reform even more. Thanks for pointing that out, Storm!
September 10th, 2009 at 11:47 am
Storm’s about as accurate as Joe Wilson , you GOP leg humping moron………
September 10th, 2009 at 11:49 amRepublicans like to stick their heads into the sand and act as if everything will be just fine. In 2006, President Bush flew around (Red States) campaigning for the Repugs practically yelling that if they voted for the Democrats, They Would Die! Now the polls then, showed that the majority of Americans didn’t believe that. But the Repugs couldn’t help themselves. Let’s face it. All the Repugs have left is fear. Fear of Terrorism, fera of Immigrants, fear of ‘Socialism’, fear of Change and now fear that the ‘Government’ will pull the plug on Granma. Maybe they should try a new game plan.
September 10th, 2009 at 11:50 amSorry Niner………I had copied and pasted the 2nd part of my sentence for Storm’s next idiotic post , and accidently inserted it into my response to you ………..Mea Culpa
September 10th, 2009 at 11:51 am***
aaronk and storm,
joe wilson apologized.
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sticks in your throat, doesn’t it?
:)
September 10th, 2009 at 11:52 amaaronk says:
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does anybody know how many of those 46 million are illegal aliens?
September 10th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Call Representative Wilson and ask him………..
September 10th, 2009 at 11:52 amaaronk drops a turd, next he will be upset because we call him a troll.
September 10th, 2009 at 11:54 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
National security is a healthy populace
September 10th, 2009 at 11:57 amOh, grow up aaronk!
September 10th, 2009 at 11:58 amIf you’re really concerned about illegal aliens, quit supporting politicians that make life in their home country unbearable.
This comment has been voted down. Click to read.
did you see this?
Joe Wilson’s Opponent Brings In Big Money After Outburst
September 10th, 2009 at 11:59 amNo worries, Metal! I’m pretty sure you’ve seen enough of my opinions to know I’m not a republican.
And, Aaronk, the answer is none. None of the 46 million are illegal aliens. And, an illegal alien cannot sign up for any of the government-run plans being considered because you would have to be a citizen or a legal working immigrant to participate in any of the programs, especially a public option. Your nannies have been lying in your face and, slackjawed and dull-witted, you take it and ask for more.
September 10th, 2009 at 11:59 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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It’s going to grow much bigger starting early next year when the federal subsidy for COBRA for all those who have been laid off due to our wrecked economy can no longer afford to pay their premiums. I will be one of those uninsured. If I don’t find a job by January (looking doubtful it’s going to happen), I will have to take early retirement. There’s no way I will be able to afford the $550 monthly premium for just me when I am living on Social Security. And then there will be those who can afford the unsubsidized COBRA payments by COBRA finally runs out for them, after 18 months.
This is why I am appalled when I read that the reform they want to take place won’t happen until 3 years from now. We need it NOW, not 3 years from now. The quickest and most efficient way to do it is to allow all those without health insurance to enroll in Medicare. I’m fairly sure that can be done quickly. It’s the only solution that makes sense.
September 10th, 2009 at 12:00 pmI’ll take this one. It is your party that has created and nurtured the illegal immigration situation until it has become an albotrose hanging around their necks. Talk to them about it.
September 10th, 2009 at 12:01 pmStorm: “46 million without health insurance? Quick, look over there! Somebody at Acorn did a bad thing!”
Nice try, Storm, but this discussion is about the fact that millions in this country don’t have health care. Do you have an opinion on that?
September 10th, 2009 at 12:01 pmask joe wilson who he supports, same people.
September 10th, 2009 at 12:02 pmThe ILLEGALS again, guys? As Jon Stewart would say, “That is so 2006!”
September 10th, 2009 at 12:02 pmFred@36, And don’t forget who loves illegals. Big Business. Repugs love Big Business.
September 10th, 2009 at 12:03 pmaaronk says:
does anybody know how many of those 46 million are illegal aliens?
Have your answer here:
September 10th, 2009 at 12:03 pmhttp://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/30/chain-email/no-free-health-care-illegal-immigrants-health-bill/
aaronK “rrrrrrrrrrrr Wrong. Sorry….try again.”
Let me explain something to you. When a slack-jawed corporate lacky obviously lacking in common sense and intelligence tells me I’m wrong, I want to understand why. If you have any information to add to the discussion, let’s hear it. Because I see no evidence that any of the health care reform bills cover illegal aliens. You’re going to have to come correct with a little better than “you’re wrong.” Otherwise, you’re still just making a fool of yourself. Get it?
September 10th, 2009 at 12:04 pmaaronk:
You ran away last night on this thread and left a few questions unanswered.
Does that mean you conceded that you were wrong or did you runaway because you were a coward?
September 10th, 2009 at 12:04 pm***
#27,
did you see this?
.. .. ..
michael eric dyson schools racist
andrewl breitbart (your source and a drudge pimp)
on real time with bill maher.
..
hertz donut?
:)
btw, while you’re there don’t
forget to visit your old friend
michael duvall.
:)
September 10th, 2009 at 12:06 pmaaronk says:
Well out of the 45 million i have to say maybe 1000 but i do know you and your other buddy’s storm kvs etc… must be all illegal aliens. as i no they can not be real Americans.
September 10th, 2009 at 12:06 pmokie dokie says:
Oh, grow up aaronk!
If you’re really concerned about illegal aliens, quit supporting politicians that make life in their home country unbearable.
Actually, if the Republics really cared about undocumented worker in our country they would be clamoring for our government to jail the employers who give them jobs. If there were no jobs waiting for them, they would not cross our border in search of work.
September 10th, 2009 at 12:07 pmSeriously I doubt pimps and prostitutes pay taxes its a cash business…
September 10th, 2009 at 12:07 pmI’m not sure which one of you trolls posted that link but I checked it just for fun.
First there’s no video, just a photo of someones face covered up.
Second, who says it’s even in Acorn.
Third, FOX? Fox already won a court case stating they don’t have to tell the truth in their reporting and they are free to make things up and report them as news.
If your going to FOX for your information you REALLY ARE AN IDIOT.
Please go away. Besides, this is just another attempt from you right wing LOSERS to change the coversation.
pathetic.
September 10th, 2009 at 12:08 pmDo you have any FACTS from the reality based universe to back up that assertion, or are you caught lying again?
September 10th, 2009 at 12:09 pm***
#30,
“If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.”
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good advice.
:)
September 10th, 2009 at 12:09 pmjoe cantwell, we all knew it wouldn’t take much to make aaronk cry. He’s such a baby.
September 10th, 2009 at 12:11 pmaaronk and STORM – I have a question for you.
As of January I will join the ranks of the uninsured. I lost my job in March and for the first time in my adult life I have been on extended unemployment. I lost my job because the non-profit I worked for couldn’t make payroll due to the slow payments they were getting from the State. It was not through any fault of mine.
So, do you really think that in the richest country in the world I should have to go without access to health care? Do you really think that health care should be a privilege and not a right for all Americans? If so, please tell us why.
September 10th, 2009 at 12:12 pmIf you supported the Bushes or Reagan, you can thank them for the mass exodus of refugees from Mexico, South America, Haiti, Cuba, Iran, Iraq……….
People don’t like to live in war zones, or under the rule of puppet military regimes that torture and terrorize.
September 10th, 2009 at 12:14 pmDrugs, oil, and war.
Thats how the repugs make their living.
Blood money.
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storm and aaronk.
“two morons walk into a bar…”
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September 10th, 2009 at 12:15 pmstorm and aaronk.
where did the enochs go?
September 10th, 2009 at 12:16 pm^^^
have you seen this?
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more chicken bones for
storm and aaronk to choke on.
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September 10th, 2009 at 12:17 pmBilbo,
I feel for you. What till you see what COBRA wants to charge you. My wife and I went through the same thing – then opened our own business.
Right now we can’t afford insurance either. Honestly, I’ve never met anyone in my entire life who did “something” that caused him/her to loose their insurance, and that they deserved it.
Sorry right wingers, doesn’t make any sense.
September 10th, 2009 at 12:17 pmstorm and aadork:
*crickets*
Cue troll Tundra in… 5…4…3…2…1…
September 10th, 2009 at 12:18 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Joe #54,
It’s early, but best line of the day.
September 10th, 2009 at 12:19 pmGood luck getting back that Latino vote, guys.
September 10th, 2009 at 12:22 pmI find aaronk an interesting case study in troll development.
When he first showed up here, he seemed to make an effort to appear reasonable and moderate. All it took was Ted Kennedy’s passing to get our friend to let that mask slip and reveal the ugly simple troll that was concealed underneath.
Now aaronk has fully embraced his trollhood and seems truly comfortable in his craggy, wrinkly, puss-encrusted skin.
September 10th, 2009 at 12:25 pmboy you are just plain dumb aren’t you. If he couln’t afford private insurance with a job how do you think he will be able to afford it without one?
You should thank god for the autonomic nervous system because without it you would forget to breath.
September 10th, 2009 at 12:28 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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tpm has reported that joe wilson just went
before the cameras for the first time since
his outburst last night. they comment that he
looked “sweaty and sort of shaky like he might
be about to cry.” video will be up shortly.
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September 10th, 2009 at 12:30 pmaaronk, I have no intention of answering your question or to you. Does that compute?
September 10th, 2009 at 12:31 pmthat wasn’t my question…learn how to read. And btw, please tell me how “my party” has nurtured illegal aliens?
First, tell us why you ask… do you believe that there are no citizens who lack health insurance?
September 10th, 2009 at 12:31 pmThe number would be 48.3 million without two George W. Bush reformulations.
September 10th, 2009 at 12:34 pmaadork:
Who do you think you are with your mocking of TP posters for not answering your stupid questions.
Why don’t you ever answer our questions with anything else but talking points from the astro-turf spin machine.
Who sent you here to spam threads and disrupt intelligent civil discourse?
September 10th, 2009 at 12:39 pmReal Righty Powerbrokers,
and not STURM and awrongk,
LOVE having a steady supply of cheap labor.
STURM and awrongk are dupes if the think the R party is EVER going to do anything about illegal immigration.
Their campaign coffers rely too heavily on contributions from the employers of all those illegals.
STURM and awrongk should think about supporting pro-labor parties and candidates if they really care about that issue.
September 10th, 2009 at 12:39 pm***
joe wilson cries.
:)
September 10th, 2009 at 12:44 pmI get kind of tired of doing all of your research for you, but here you go. http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2007/20070718153509.aspx
“The Kaiser Family Foundation, a liberal non-profit frequently quoted by the media, puts the number of uninsured Americans who do not qualify for current government programs and make less than $50,000 a year between 13.9 million and 8.2 million”
That is the real number.
September 10th, 2009 at 12:46 pmaaronk @72
“rrrrrrrrrrrr Wrong. Sorry….try again.”
September 10th, 2009 at 12:50 pm***
#72,
you forgot to include the author’s name:
By Julia A. Seymour
Business & Media Institute
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hmmm, wonder why…?
:)
September 10th, 2009 at 12:53 pmaaronk says:
does anybody know how many of those 46 million are illegal aliens?
September 10th, 2009 at 11:48 am
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Out of the 301 million people estimated for the population, 36.7 million are foreign-born. Of these, 15 million are naturalized and and 21 million are non-citizens. This does not mean that the 21 million non-citizens are here illegally – just that they are not yet naturalized.
Of the uninsured, 34 million are native born, eaning that about 12.9% of native-born Americans are uninsured. 12 million are foreign-born – meaning that 33% of immigrants are uninsured. Naturalized citizens fare pretty well – 2.7 million of them (18%) are uninsured. Whereas 9.5 million non-naturalized immigrants are uninsured – 44% of the total.
None of these numbers indicate legal status – only naturalization status. One could simply assume that “all illegals are uninsured,” in which case the maximum possible number of uninsured illegal immigrants is 9.5 million, but this is unlikely to be true. It’s entirely possible that some illegal immigrants using fake indentification to be hired are also covered by their company’s health plans or have purchased insurance on their own. It’s likely that the true number you seek is well below 9.5 million.
The real question is – why does it matter? Who does it hurt? Do you think private insurance companies would prefer not to accept money from 9 million potential customers? Do you think emergency department physicians would prefer not to spend their time on routine non-emergencies and easily-prevented ailments? Do you think public health professionals would prefer not to know what infectious diseases, say – swine flu – might be spreading rapidly among immigrant populations?
Ensuring that all people within our borders – citizens, noncitizens, legal immigrants, tourists, people visiting on business, and non-legal immigrants – have equal access to health care benefits all of us.
September 10th, 2009 at 12:53 pmaadork says:
Don’t pull that bull$hit with posting an irrelevant link given to you by the astro-turf spin machine.
Why can’t you answer the questions that you are asked?
September 10th, 2009 at 12:53 pm***
more from aaonk’s “source”.
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real numbers,
zero facts.
:)
September 10th, 2009 at 12:54 pmI “ran away” because it close to midnight again, and I have a family, a job, and a few business to fun…I can’t stay up all night arguing politics, although I would like to.
Any particular question that you would like answered from that thread?
September 10th, 2009 at 12:54 pm***
aaron?
aaaaaarrrron….?
:)
September 10th, 2009 at 12:55 pmaaronk says:
does anybody know how many of those 46 million are illegal aliens?
The Kaiser Family Foundation, a liberal non-profit frequently quoted by the media, puts the number of uninsured Americans who do not qualify for current government programs and make less than $50,000 a year between 13.9 million and 8.2 million
That is the real number.
There we have it. Ronk is too stupid to tell the difference betwen “illegal aliens” and “uninsured Americans who do not qualify for current government programs and make less than $50,000 a year”.
Too bad his parents wouldn’t let him listen when Obama told kids to stay in school and study.
September 10th, 2009 at 12:56 pmAaronK: “And btw, please tell me how “my party” has nurtured illegal aliens?”
There are lots of ways. I’ll give you two:
1. Ronald Reagan gave amnesty to all illegal aliens.
2. GW Bush gutted the government’s ability to regulate businesses employing illegal aliens.
Give me some time and I’ll think of a few more.
September 10th, 2009 at 12:57 pm***
“I have a family, a job, and a few business [sic] to fun…”
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tell us more about these businesses you like to “fun”.
do they require hard work and attention to detail?
?
September 10th, 2009 at 12:58 pmaaronk quotes a web site that’s headline is “healthcare lie”
Now, I’m not a rocket scientist but that just doesn’t seem like it would be very credible to me……
aaronk, swirls around the drain on his way to his inevitable final destination.
September 10th, 2009 at 12:59 pmaaronk says:
“The Kaiser Family Foundation, a liberal non-profit frequently quoted by the media, puts the number of uninsured Americans who do not qualify for current government programs and make less than $50,000 a year between 13.9 million and 8.2 million”
That is the real number.
______________
Yes. Of people who do not qualify for current government programs and make less than $50,000/year. That roughly lines up with the census stats – there are 14.9 million in households with incomes between $25-50,000/year who are unininsured. There are another 13.6 million who earn less than $25,000, but many may qualify for government programs (I’m not sure where the cutoff is). There are also 8 million who earn $50-75,000 who are uninsured, and another 9.7 million uninsured in the $75,000 and up category.
Add ‘em all up and you get 46 million.
THAT is the real number.
September 10th, 2009 at 12:59 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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aaronk is losing “fun”?
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i only ask because you’re
so good at it.
:)
September 10th, 2009 at 1:01 pmaaronk says:
I can’t stay up all night arguing politics, although I would like to.
But somehow he found time to post here non-stop from 10:42 am until “close to midnight” yesterday. Go figure.
September 10th, 2009 at 1:01 pm***
“that it was there [sic] representative…”
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spelling is a problem for you isn’t it?
…
don’t deny it!
:)
September 10th, 2009 at 1:04 pmMaybe you on the right should lead by example rather than standing on the sidlines pretending that you are lilly white while condemning minor infractions on the left.
Just a thought. Of course you won’t, you never do the right thing.
September 10th, 2009 at 1:04 pmerronk doesn’t quite get the concept of a “credible link” yet.
September 10th, 2009 at 1:04 pmSTORM says:
ACORN Officials Videotaped Telling ‘Pimp,’ ‘Prostitute’ How to Lie to IRS
September 10th, 2009 at 11:55 am
_____________
Good – it’s about time pimps and prostitutes had access to the same tax avoision techniques used by the wealthy. Go ACORN!
September 10th, 2009 at 1:04 pmAaronK, obviously the right wing operation that was trying to debunk Michael Moore’s “Sicko” distorted the numbers and you, as usual, took the bait. Don’t you get tired of being lied to and manipulated by right wing propagandists?
From Factcheck.org: “The “47 million uninsured” figure is from the 2006 U.S. Census Bureau report. In 2007, the Census Bureau reported that the number actually declined somewhat, to 45.7 million people under 65 (the age of Medicare eligibility).”
I think I’ll go with Factcheck for the “real number.”
September 10th, 2009 at 1:06 pmI suspect that this IS the business aadork has to fun [sic].
Last night he claimed to have writen [sic] several published editorials, so it is obvious that aadork is detail oriented.
I wonder how much he gets paid per post?
September 10th, 2009 at 1:07 pmAaronk- do you believe that between 13.9 million and 8.2 million is an acceptable number of uninsured?
September 10th, 2009 at 1:08 pmAaronK: “Acorn has already acknowledged that it was there representative, but I guess that won’t stop you from denying it huh?”
With your record of B.S. around here, I think we’re going to need a link for that one. Where did you read that, Aaron?
September 10th, 2009 at 1:08 pmaaronk, maybe you should consider that one major reason that you are the minority party is because you have not been able to accept responsibility for your failures.
Learn from your own mistakes instead of pointing fingers. It’s a grade school lesson.
September 10th, 2009 at 1:08 pmGood question, and I am sorry to hear about your misfortune. 1st of all, it is false to say that you “don’t have access to healthcare”. Nobody is preventing you from going to the doctor just because you don’t have insurance. Yes, you would have to pay for it, and perhaps due to your misfortune, you can’t afford it, but to say that u don’t have “access” is misdirection.
On that same note, all Americans also have “access” to healthcare, and obviously have a RIGHT to healthcare. There are no laws that prevent people from going to the doctor.
Where the dissention comes in is when we talk about who should pay for it. I assume that you feel that you’re “right” to healthcare includes the assumption that that right extends to the “right” to force others to pay for your care. You care certainly entitled to that opinion, but I would ask that you also see that when I or anyone else is forced to provide a service for you or someone else, our rights are being violated in some form.
That also being said, I have spoken on several threads at this site about my idea of an NFP to provide care for people in your situation, funded by private donations, with government legislated tax incentives for doing so. I believe an idea like this fulfills the goals of the left by making sure all Americans are covered, but meets the needs of the right by not installing a “government takeover” of healthcare.
September 10th, 2009 at 1:09 pmof course not. You have no intention of answering for misinformation promoted by this site. It wouldn’t look good for your case.
September 10th, 2009 at 1:13 pmYes, I posted from work during the day, and then posted for a while before I went to bed. Is that really so hard to understand?
September 10th, 2009 at 1:14 pmaadork says:
Last night before you ran away with your barbed tail between your legs, you defended Rep. Joe Wilson’s (R-SC) shameful screed by claiming that President Obama was indeed lying.
It’s been 13 hours and you still have not posted any proof to back up your deluded assertion.
What say you, aadork?
September 10th, 2009 at 1:14 pmAaronK: “I’m not trying to make you go crazy or anything, but is there anything wrong with a liberal acknowledging wrongdoing from one it it’s own?”
Don’t flatter yourself. You’re too ridiculous to make anyone crazy around here. You just reaffirm our convictions about how absurd today’s conservatives are. But, I’ll play.
If you remember, liberals and almost every single democrat called for a censure of President Clinton when he admitted his affair. Did any repubs call for a censure of Senator David Vitter after he admitted to playing with a prostitute? Have any repubs call for a censure Senator John Ensign for having an affair and paying blackmail to his mistress’ husband and parents? How about Senator Larry Craig, who was busted trying to get a bj from guys in that airport. Has he been censured? If they have, let me know about it because I haven’t heard thing one.
September 10th, 2009 at 1:15 pmGood, so the number actually decreased. thanks. And by the way, Kaiser is a liberal instituation, not “right wing propaganda”. Keep getting all of your “facts” from a website sponsored by moveon.org and I’m sure you will always get fair & balanced “facts”
September 10th, 2009 at 1:16 pmnope
September 10th, 2009 at 1:16 pm***
#98,
you’re at this site.
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exposing hypocrisy in morons is easy.
they do it to themselves.
:)
September 10th, 2009 at 1:17 pm***
#102,
says the troll who sources “newsbusters“.
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“fun”?
:)
September 10th, 2009 at 1:18 pm***
i told you it was easy.
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here, i’ll do it with one
hand tied behind my back.
:)
September 10th, 2009 at 1:19 pmAaronk: “You care certainly entitled to that opinion, but I would ask that you also see that when I or anyone else is forced to provide a service for you or someone else, our rights are being violated in some form.”
So, when your house is on fire and the fire department puts it out, it’s a violation of my rights? If you get attacked or mugged and the police respond, is that also a violation of someone’s rights? Nonsense.
September 10th, 2009 at 1:21 pmEverybody take a good look at this crap and then you will begin to understand what kind of an idiot you are dealing with.
I just can’t take you seriously little fella. You live in la la land.
September 10th, 2009 at 1:21 pmaaronk says:
Where the dissention comes in is when we talk about who should pay for it. I assume that you feel that you’re “right” to healthcare includes the assumption that that right extends to the “right” to force others to pay for your care. You care certainly entitled to that opinion, but I would ask that you also see that when I or anyone else is forced to provide a service for you or someone else, our rights are being violated in some form.
September 10th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
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Shall I assume, then, that you do not have insurance and pay all of your medical expenses out of your own very deep pockets?
Because what you describe is exactly what health insurance is. When you pay your premiums and do not get sick, you are being forced to provide a service for all the other people on your plan. Your right to your full paycheck is violated so other people can have the right to use their Blue Cross card. How socialist!
September 10th, 2009 at 1:22 pmI believe an idea like this fulfills the goals of the left by making sure all Americans are covered, but meets the needs of the right by not installing a “government takeover” of healthcare.
You know what else does both those things? The plan Obama laid out last night… did you listen?
September 10th, 2009 at 1:22 pmgiven the fact that I didn’t even know about the Joe Wilson story until this morning, and I didn’t comment in any way shape for form on that thread, I just have to assume you made a mistake or are just a liar. Which one is it?
September 10th, 2009 at 1:23 pmAaronK: “Keep getting all of your “facts” from a website sponsored by moveon.org and I’m sure you will always get fair & balanced “facts”"
So, it is your belief that Annenberg’s Factcheck.org is “sponsored by moveon.org”??!!
Man, you just keep digging deeper and deeper. That’s within shouting distance of insane.
September 10th, 2009 at 1:23 pmaaronk says:
Keep getting all of your “facts” from a website sponsored by moveon.org and I’m sure you will always get fair & balanced “facts”
September 10th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
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census.gov is sponsored by moveon.org?
How is that even possible?
September 10th, 2009 at 1:23 pmYou are correct, and that is dispicable!!
September 10th, 2009 at 1:24 pmaadork says:
The troll just admitted he doesn’t come here to DEBATE but instead is here to ARGUE.
September 10th, 2009 at 1:25 pm***
“shape for form…”?
*
learn to type.
:)
September 10th, 2009 at 1:25 pmAre you referring to the non-existant Federal Fire Department?
September 10th, 2009 at 1:25 pmAre you referring to the non-existant Federal Fire Department?
Uhh, aaronk?
http://www.usfa.dhs.gov/about/
September 10th, 2009 at 1:28 pmaaronk says:
Are you referring to the non-existant Federal Fire Department?
September 10th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
I believe the Federal Fire Fighters of Lenoore, California would be quite surprised to learn that they don’t exist.
September 10th, 2009 at 1:28 pmaaronk: “Are you referring to the non-existant Federal Fire Department?”
Do you have a fire department and is it paid for with public money? Did you know that the federal government subsidizes fire departments?
September 10th, 2009 at 1:29 pmthere is absolutely nothing in my statement that is inaccurate in any way. Just becuase you don’t like it, doesn’t make it wrong.
September 10th, 2009 at 1:30 pm***
#114,
let’s not forget about the latest right wing,
family values sex freak, michael duvall.
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aaronk,
maybe you should write an “editorial” about
the moral cess pool that is movement conservatism, eh?
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September 10th, 2009 at 1:30 pmno, this site is sponsored by moveon. And by the way, the census isn’t required to verify citizenship, and as a matter of fact is required to count all people, regardless of citizenship.
September 10th, 2009 at 1:31 pmYes, you would have to pay for it, and perhaps due to your misfortune, you can’t afford it, but to say that u don’t have “access” is misdirection.
But when those who cannot afford it use the system but wait until the last minute to use that ‘access’ we pay way, way more as a nation… the dirty little secret is that you are already paying for the uninsured but you are doing it through cost offsets that doctors and hospitals have to pass on to you and your insurance company in order to pay off the care they give the uninsured or under insured…
Why do you prefer paying more for less efficient care?
September 10th, 2009 at 1:33 pmAaron at 12:45: “13.9 million and 8.2 million”
That is the real number.”
Aaron at 1:15 upon getting the 45.7 million number from Factcheck.org: “Good, so the number actually decreased.”
Aaron, can you begin to understand how pathetic it is for you to continue to vomit out your right-wing nonsense here?
September 10th, 2009 at 1:34 pm***
#123,
not it’s not,
it’s sponsored by the center for
american progress action fund.
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see? it says so right at the bottom
of the page.
:)
how stupid are you?
:)
September 10th, 2009 at 1:34 pmDoesn’t keep it from being magnanamously.
That’s like saying you can walk on water from here to England. Of course you will drown in the process but it makes as much sense as what you claim to be “true”
September 10th, 2009 at 1:34 pmgood try. YOu know that this board argues with me nonstop. What else would you call it? I would like it to be civil debate, but nobody on here keeps it civil. I have to fight back.
September 10th, 2009 at 1:35 pmaaronk says:
there is absolutely nothing in my statement that is inaccurate in any way. Just becuase you don’t like it, doesn’t make it wrong.
September 10th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
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Your statement is not wrong, but it is still idiotic.
Yes, someone without the means to pay for health care can still get health care. They can go to a doctor, get care, receive an exorbitant bill, and be forced into bankruptcy, but yes – they still received health care.
Similarly, someone who is penniless and starving has access to food. He can always go to a grocery store and shoplift it. Even if he gets caught and sent to jail, he’ll get fed in jail, so either way he has access to food.
Both statements are completely true. And completely idiotic.
September 10th, 2009 at 1:35 pmcome on….tell me you’re smarter than that. I’m not gonna do your homework for you if you don’t understand how fire departments work.
September 10th, 2009 at 1:37 pmaaronk is dancing pretty fast but losing at every encounter.
I guess he’s used to losing by now so it probably doesn’t effect him much. He doesn’t seem to have much to offer to the world anyway.
aaronk…..this is your brains on gop
September 10th, 2009 at 1:37 pmI have acknowledges that and developed a solution to the problem, but it gets ignored on here in place of petty insults.
September 10th, 2009 at 1:38 pmtime to flag aaronk and move on. He can’t even keep his story straight and all he would have to do is scroll up and re-read what he said…..sad to see an American degenerate into a pile of mush right before your eyes.
September 10th, 2009 at 1:39 pmUh, aaronk? Who do you think organizes fire response and fights the fires in National Forests?
Did you miss this?
http://www.usfa.dhs.gov/about/
September 10th, 2009 at 1:39 pm***
“YOu know that this board argues with me nonstop…”
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how much oxygen were
you deprived of during birth?
?
September 10th, 2009 at 1:39 pmplease tell me you know who runs the center for american progress.
September 10th, 2009 at 1:40 pm***
#134,
bel,
he’s so fu(king stupid he wouldn’t
see it if it sat on his inbred face.
:0
September 10th, 2009 at 1:41 pmI have acknowledges that and developed a solution to the problem, but it gets ignored on here in place of petty insults.
But we won the election. I don’t like your ’solution’ and prefer the one Obama laid out last night that accomplishes the same goals more efficiently… and he won the election along with a whole lot of other Democrats.
So you can talk about what you’d like to see in our plan but you don’t get to complain that no one listens to your bass akwards plan.
We had that vote… you lost.
September 10th, 2009 at 1:42 pmSo are you saying that the problem is high medical costs in the healthcare industry or the insurance industry?
September 10th, 2009 at 1:42 pm***
#136,
uh… satan?
:)
September 10th, 2009 at 1:42 pmThe most clueless person on this board: “Yes, you would have to pay for it, and perhaps due to your misfortune, you can’t afford it, but to say that u don’t have “access” is misdirection.”
Hey, if your Mother has cancer, but doesn’t have the money to see a specialist, she dies. That doesn’t mean she is denied “access”. It’s just “your misfortune.” Nice!
September 10th, 2009 at 1:44 pm****
#139,
gee, maybe you should ask
julia a. seymour at the
business & media institute, huh?
:)
are you on goof balls?
:\
September 10th, 2009 at 1:45 pmaaronK: “I would like it to be civil debate, but nobody on here keeps it civil. I have to fight back.”
Really! Who’s forcing you?
September 10th, 2009 at 1:47 pmNinerFan, not to mention everyday medical problems like diabetes. How do you treat someone in the er for late term diabetes?
You can’t take fools like this seriously. They can’t even convince themselves that it makes sense.
September 10th, 2009 at 1:47 pmhttp://nvfc.org/page/647/Federal_Government_Funding.htm
Funding available for local rural fire departments from aaronk’s ‘nonexistent’ Federal Fire Department…
September 10th, 2009 at 1:48 pmA new Census report finds that, in 2008, the number of people without health insurance increased from from 45.7 million to 46.3 million (the number of uninsured has increased by 7.3 million since 2000).
How many can buy health insurance and decide not to for whatever reason. Young people that don’t believe they need it, illegal aliens, ect. An estimated 28% of those so called 46.3 million are illegal aliens. Of course, Obama says those illegals will not be covered by any plan. What about anchor babies and their families? Are they covered?
September 10th, 2009 at 1:49 pm***
fred and niner,
ask aaron if sarah’s going
to be elected president in ‘12.
***
watch him do a cork screw spin
trying to answer that one!
:)
September 10th, 2009 at 1:50 pmkwsventures poses a question. Is it a reasonable question?
should he have provided something to substantiate his speculation.
His question seems to raise more questions than it asks.
September 10th, 2009 at 1:52 pmkwsventures says:
Federal Dollars will not pay for any illegal aliens care. ANYONE (including illegal aliens) will be able to purchase insurance through the ‘public option’ health pool that will offer basic insurance at much lower rates and compete for that section of the marketplace with current insurers…
Does that clear up your confusion, kws?
September 10th, 2009 at 1:52 pm***
#146,
do you sniff the meth first
and then shoot the red bull?
:|
btw, here’s your “28%”,
you can shove it back up your ass.
:)
September 10th, 2009 at 1:54 pmkwsventures: “An estimated 28% of those so called 46.3 million are illegal aliens.”
Not according to the U.S. Census bureau. Where did you get that number?
September 10th, 2009 at 2:08 pmCan we put this particular conservative canard to bed?
“H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.”
Take your own advice and read the bill, conservatives.
September 10th, 2009 at 2:22 pmMoney, money, money…..Heres the solution to the nations health care problems……make health care part of the military…..insurance company’s and their big fancy buildings…..gone….high paid doctors and nurses and their big fancy buildings…..gone…..all health care providers will be paid at the prevailing military rate….just the same as Army doctors and nurses….all doctors and nurses will be housed in military housing on military bases thus lowering even more the cost….doing this would allow free transportation to and from the base for care and recreation. Most bases have ample room for growing corps, raising cattle and hogs for patient food. Children of the city could go on field trips to the medical facility’s, pet the animals and receive updated vaccine, shots and other care all in the same day. This plan is much more logical and cost effective than anything congress has done or will do…WATCH!
September 10th, 2009 at 2:27 pmSlapster-bo-bapster!!! Hey pal!!!
remember what I said about trying to shoot underhand?
might want to go ahead and try that…
0 is not a really good free throw percentage….
September 10th, 2009 at 2:38 pmSlappy: “….make health care part of the military.”
OK, take that idea over to the AMA and see how it flies.
September 10th, 2009 at 2:40 pmYes, the military has a great capacity to bring health care to those who need it especially during natural disasters. The needy, who live mostly in the inner city’s like Chicago, which for all intents and proposes is a battle zone as more humans die from gun fire in Chicago than in Iraq, can be accessed with a Stryker Brigade much more safely than with ambulances private or city owned. In East LA where gangs run the city and police do not patrol the Abrams tank could be a very useful device to “hold the line” while the sick or injured could be safely medevaced with the Blackhawks in the US inventory ……….the closer you look the more this military angle makes sense
September 10th, 2009 at 2:56 pmVery imaginative Slappy,
but points are only awarded
when the ball goes throught the hoop.
September 10th, 2009 at 3:16 pmSTORM says:
Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:
Go buy an insurance policy.
OK, perhaps you can tell me how I can do that. My Social Security will be $1,100 a month. I am over 60 so if I can find someone to sell me an insurance policy the cost will be well over $1,000 a month.
Even if Blue Cross kept my rate at $550 a month, how could I afford that when my income is $1,100 and my mortgage payment is $650?
September 10th, 2009 at 3:21 pmBilbo, I feel for you, but I’m a liberal. You’re asking a guy like Storm to have something called “empathy.” That’s a bridge too far.
September 10th, 2009 at 3:27 pmaaronk says:
That’s great….I have seen the video, and Acorn has already acknowledged that it was there representative, but I guess that won’t stop you from denying it huh?
So, since ACORN had one bad apple in the barrel, that means that all of ACORN is a bad apple.
How many bad apples do you think there are in the major corporations you seem to be so in love with? How many bad apples do you think there are in the for-profit health care industry?
September 10th, 2009 at 3:31 pmaaronk says:
So are you saying that the problem is high medical costs in the healthcare industry or the insurance industry?
All of the above. I’m still paying off an emergency room bill I incurred when I was temporarily unemployed two years ago. It’s either that or ruin my credit rating. Because the hospital could care less that I can’t afford to pay the bill and it doesn’t bother them in the least that they charged me the equivalent of over $1,800 an hour for the use of their emergency room. And the reason why emergency rooms charge such exorbitant rates? Because they need to make up for all the money they lose for treating the uninsured.
September 10th, 2009 at 3:38 pmI’ve posted this before, but one of my old friends has had to declare bankruptcy because his wife was struck in a hit-and-run. They were insured, but the out-of-pocket expenses were in the thousands and they didn’t have it. At least they’re not homeless, but they live in fear now because they’ve been dropped by their insurance company and can’t get an affordable new policy because he’s 59 years old and she has a pre-existing condition. What conservatives don’t seem to understand, or worse, understand, but don’t care about, is that this happens every single day in America. Every day.
September 10th, 2009 at 3:53 pmACORN had 11 more people arrested a few days ago. Yeah, 1 bad apple.
September 10th, 2009 at 4:12 pmAaronK: “ACORN had 11 more people arrested a few days ago.”
Look, you’ve already demonstrated over and over that your “facts” are usually not facts at all, but the result of some distortion you’ve been fed by right-wing sites.
Why should anyone believe what you post if you’re not going to give a citation. Where did you read that 11 ACORN employees were arrested a few days ago? I’m not saying I don’t believe that could happen. But, with your track record around here, I’m skeptical.
September 10th, 2009 at 4:37 pmOK, aaronk, this is a perfect example.
From Fox News: “Fernandez-Rundle said ACORN alerted her office after it reviewed hundreds of voter registration cards it suspected were fraudulent. She said that none of the names in question actually voted.
“While they were attempting to steal from ACORN, they were stealing from our electoral process and we just will not tolerate that,” she said.”
ACORN alerted the Florida Sec. of State because ACORN found that people were defrauding them. Those are the facts. I want you to remember the facts when you go read conservative opinion makers who are going to tell you that ACORN is a fraudulent organization.
September 10th, 2009 at 4:46 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins whines: about not enough income….do what everyone else does….shackup, marry, rent to, live with, camp out at someone elses place that can take care of you. Sheeeesh! How do you think millions of Americans live?????? You need to purchase a couple of rental units OR manage a few and poor people in action…..get some education.
September 10th, 2009 at 4:55 pmIn Obama’s speech he claimed there are only 30 million uninsured.
September 10th, 2009 at 5:16 pm…or you could blow hobos for nickels under the bridge,
like Slappa-hap-dappity, CG and awrongk do.
September 10th, 2009 at 5:22 pmaaronk says:
and btw, please tell me how “my party” has nurtured illegal aliens?
They hire them as illegal nannies, and undocumented field workers in their businesses.
And on a secondary note, common sense tells us that the party of the Rich-Folks-And-Business-Owners is more likely to be the main party of the Rich-Folks-And-Business-Owners-Who-Hire-Cheap-Folks-So-That-They-Can-Stay-More-Rich.
September 10th, 2009 at 7:40 pmY’know, I work 2 jobs at usually 14 hour days. It’s nice to know there are people who believe I’m not worthy to get health insurance because my contributions to society as a Driver Education instructor and substitute teacher are somehow more lacking than the contributions of someone like aaronk.
Whatever dude. Grow up and get a conscience. I feel sorry for your employees and the comtempt in which you so clearly hold them.
September 10th, 2009 at 7:50 pmBluesunflower: “I feel sorry for your employees and the comtempt in which you so clearly hold them.”
Blue, you don’t really believe someone like that poster has employees do you? Forgetaboutit! If that guy’s a boss, I’m Elvis Presley. Remember, the vast majority of the American people believe that you should have affordable healthcare, and many of us, myself included, believe you should have the same kind of plan we give to our seniors; Medicare for everyone. Hang in there. I think we’re going to get some real progress.
September 10th, 2009 at 9:57 pmThe Bureau of the Census, an agency of the United States Department of Commerce, was formerly an agency within the United States Department of the Interior; and that department was formerly a part of the U.S. State Department, but existed so until the year 1849. That year, Secretary of the Treasury, Robert J. Walker, under eleventh U.S. President James Polk, began the first of a series of needed changes to the structure of agencies. By this time in our history, many immigrants had begun to settle in America, many new and different territories had been added to the United States, and a Mexican-American war had been fought and concluded, as if a ‘wake up buzzer’ had sounded to Secretary Walker, who might have thought then, that times had changed and bureuacratic change could benefit certain agencies of government! For example, according to Secretary Walker, the General Land Office was, strangely, written in the Department of the Treasury!
Walker had argued that several agencies were not practically serving their departments, and some agencies were moved, such as the Indian Affairs department, out of the Department of War, and the Patent Office, out of the Department of State; also, the independent central office of the census (est. 1840) became part of the new Department of the Interior! One of the very first federal departments established had been the Department of Foreign Affairs (est. 1789, by 1st U.S. President George Washington) and was actually established by two pieces of legislation, however, the second of two Congressional acts merely renamed that important department, as The State Department; in 1849 Secretary Walker had prioritized his changes with the establishment of a new Interior Department, with previously, State Department responsibilites!
After all the dust had settled, in 1849, and along with needed departments and agencies, the United States was ready, more than ever, to take on any new challenges, of the mid-nineteenth century!
September 11th, 2009 at 12:20 amThank you for your sharing.!
September 13th, 2009 at 11:19 amObama is a politician who wants the votes of the wealthy insurance company executives, bank executives, and the auto company execs. When HR 3200 passes it will “force” all the citizens of the U.S. to pay for health insurance. botoks
September 15th, 2009 at 8:59 am