Lamar Alexander Opposes Czars Now, But Supported Them Under Bush
Lamar Alexander Opposes Czars Now, But Supported Them Under Bush
The right is ramping up its offensive on the Obama administration’s use of special appointees commonly referred to as “czars,” attacking them as being used to vastly expand the powers of the president and undermine democracy. A group of Republican senators, led by Sen. Bob Bennett (R-UT), have sent a letter to President Obama expressing “growing concern with the proliferation of ‘czars.’” But Bennett hasn’t always been opposed to the use of “czars.” In Dec. 1999, appearing on CNN, Bennett said that he recommended to President Clinton that he “appoint a Y2K czar.”
Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN) also launched into attack mode on the Senate floor Monday, claiming that Obama’s use of czars constitutes an “affront to the Constitution”:
ALEXANDER: According to news accounts, there are 32 or 34 so-called czars in the Obama White House. Respected voices in the Senate—Senator Byrd and Senator Hutchison, a senior Democrat and a senior Republican—have pointed out that these czars are an affront to the Constitution. They’re anti-democratic. They are a poor example of a new era of transparency which was promised to this country. They are a poor way to manage the government and they seem to me to be the principal symptom of this administrations eight-month record of too many Washington takeovers.
Watch it:
While Alexander may be using Obama’s appointment of special advisers as a political wedge today, he was singing a different tune during the previous administration:
Alexander Supported Bush’s Appointment of a Manufacturing Czar. Nearly six years ago Alexander spoke on the floor of the Senate in support of President Bush’s appointment of a manufacturing jobs czar: “[President Bush] talked about appointing a sort of manufacturing job czar in the Commerce Department, which I would welcome.” [9/2/03]
Alexander Supported Bush’s Appointment of an AIDS Czar. Alexander spoke in support of the appointment of Bush-nominated AIDS czar Randall Tobias: “Within a few weeks the Congress will be considering the nomination of Randall Tobias to be the new AIDS czar…who is not yet confirmed by the Senate. I hope he will be.” [9/3/03]
Alexander isn’t alone in his conservative hypocrisy on czars. Last July, Karl Rove angrily tweeted that Obama’s use of czars represent a “giant expansion of presidential power,” despite the fact that he himself was Bush’s “domestic policy czar.” And while the right may be using Obama’s czars as a way to wage politicized attacks against him, they were completely silent when the Bush administration used a number of these special advisers, including a “cybersecurity czar,” “regulatory czar,” “bird-flu czar,” “war czar,” and “Katrina czar.”
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So… it’s safe to say that Lamar was “For” Czars before he was “Against” them?
BTW… some enterprising soul should ask Lamar exactly which positions in the Admin use the word “Czar” in the title or job description.
September 16th, 2009 at 12:33 pm“Vast expansion” ? What was Cheney doing for 8 years developing the Unitary Executive? What a mendacious hack.
September 16th, 2009 at 12:34 pmLast July, Karl Rove angrily tweeted that Obama’s use of czars represent a “giant expansion of presidential power,” despite the fact that he himself was Bush’s “domestic policy czar.”
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Now that takes balls the size of Ganymede.
Perhaps even Io.
September 16th, 2009 at 12:34 pmALEXANDER: According to news accounts, there are 32 or 34 so-called czars in the Obama White House.
Perhaps he should clarify: “According to FAUX NEWS accounts” so that we all know how much attention should be paid to what follows.
It’s a clever trick, though; the wingnut media throws out a bogus “fact”, thus allowing Republican lawmakers to cite “news reports” without noting the relative credibility or accuracy of the information. Kinda like when Cheney would leak stuff to Bob Novak and then go on the Sunday chat shows and cite Novak as having reported the very information Cheney slipped him.
September 16th, 2009 at 12:36 pmWhen the going gets tough,
Righties pitch Hissy.
John Wayne would be SO proud of these guys.
September 16th, 2009 at 12:37 pmMore ammunition for Faux news…doesn’t have to accurate but still a war-cry for the wingnuts.
September 16th, 2009 at 12:38 pmLamar Alexander Opposes Czars Now, But Supported Them Under Bush
– - Well sure, cuz now they’re Black Russians.
September 16th, 2009 at 12:38 pmThe czarists are almost as crazy as the birthers.
September 16th, 2009 at 12:38 pm“Lamar Alexander Opposes Czars Now, But Supported Them Under Bush”
GOP are simply not getting their own way with this President. For the last 8 years, under the Cheney Administration[the former clown President was just a sock puppet], the GOP was living large: free pocket money from special interest, lobbyist, and so on. Now, Alexander and his GOP peeps are acting like kids with a tantrum because the Daddy President is taken away their lollypops full of earmarks, perks, and so on. So, now bellyaching over Obama’s czars is the GOP’s new project. Politics first, American people last. Stay classy, Lamar.
September 16th, 2009 at 12:41 pmI used to think Lamar Alexander was one of the more adult, saner Republicans.
I guess I was wrong.
September 16th, 2009 at 12:42 pmOh man, I’m so sick of these morons!!!
September 16th, 2009 at 12:42 pmOh No! The ‘Czars!’ Quick! Hide under you bed! LOL! This is so incredibly stupid! Are these people that nuts? Regan and Bush 1 had ‘Czars’! Remember the Drug Czar? Is this all the Repugs have? Why don’t they tell their ignorant sheeple to fear the Yeti and Big Foot too! Christ!
September 16th, 2009 at 12:45 pmLamar Alexander Opposes Czars Now After Supporting Them Under Bush
– -The Beck Brigade babbling:
“We need tanks and hummers, not hybrid cars!
We need honest politicians, not communist czars!”
Communist czars? Yeah, these people are world-class dense.
September 16th, 2009 at 12:48 pmAnd while the right may be using Obama’s czars as a way to wage politicized attacks against him, they were completely silent when the Bush administration used a number of these special advisers, including a “cybersecurity czar,” “regulatory czar,” “bird-flu czar,” “war czar,” and “Katrina czar.”
Because hypocrisy and lying are what Republicans do best, along with destroying what this country is about.
September 16th, 2009 at 12:48 pmIOKIYAR
September 16th, 2009 at 12:49 pmSo a black president is not allowed any appointees, that about it?
September 16th, 2009 at 12:49 pmShaking my head,,,,, it should be harder to be this stupid went you are a congress person.
September 16th, 2009 at 12:50 pmP.D. says:
Reagan and Bush 1 had ‘Czars’! Remember the Drug Czar?
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The use of the word “Czar” in American politics goes back further than most folks realize…
September 16th, 2009 at 12:50 pmOoops… forgot the LINK…
The use of the word “Czar” in American politics goes back further than most folks realize…
September 16th, 2009 at 12:52 pmFred says:
So a black president is not allowed any appointees, that about it?
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Only as domestics and lawn jockeys, Fred…
September 16th, 2009 at 12:53 pmSo then Mr. Alexander must also concur with his friends Glenn Beck and FreedomWorks that Obama’s cabinet members are also unconfirmed czars. Someone ought to ask him that…
http://www.political-buzz.com/
September 16th, 2009 at 12:53 pmWell duh! The republicans oppose anything our black President says or does and whine like stuck pigs when the democrats use their tactics.
September 16th, 2009 at 12:55 pmOnce again we over-analyze. These morons operate at the Beavis and Butthead level of simple word association. Don’t debate them, don’t point out their hypocrisy TP, go after the media outlets who assure they get an audience. Go after Rupert Murdoch. Does he like wearing womens underwear? Does he have a mistress on the side? Dirty pool? You bet. SOmetimes you have to fight fire with fire.
September 16th, 2009 at 12:55 pmI want to be the party czar!
September 16th, 2009 at 12:56 pmI think we are witnessing a change in the tide people. Obama’s poll numbers are up. The ‘912 Rally’ was a bust. More Americans trust Democrats on Health Care. I think the ‘Town Halls’ and the conspiracy theories have taken it’s toll. Having Wilson yell was the final straw. Oh sure, he rallied his base, but at what cost? Average Americans were disgusted. Wilson’s own son had to comment that his father wasn’t a racist. All summer we have witnessed an angry sea of mostly older, bitter, white people acting like lunatics. Enough is enough.
September 16th, 2009 at 12:56 pmwhere’s backup to tell us that this isn’t about racism too?
September 16th, 2009 at 12:56 pmRepublicans in Power: Let’s start throwing around this “czar” word, our base is so illiterate that it’ll scare the bejeesus out of them!
September 16th, 2009 at 12:56 pmGO HERE to tell the hypocrites that they are hypocrites.
http://bennett.senate.gov/public/
and
http://alexander.senate.gov/public/
September 16th, 2009 at 12:56 pmThe republicans need to appoint their own mental health czar for many of their insane members.
September 16th, 2009 at 12:58 pmI’m assuming that every single Republican who supported Bush’s “czars” and now condemn Obama’s, supported the process of reconciliation under the Republican leadership but condemn the possibility of the Democrats using it, supported skyrocketing debt under Dubya but deplore it under Obama, or have done 180’s on any other issue due to the change in power are going out of their way to avoid appearing on Rachel Maddow, The Daily Show, the Colbert Report, or even Meet the Press.
I just wish at least one of them had the guts to be asked the obvious question — why was it OK with you then?
September 16th, 2009 at 12:59 pmWho is Alexander anyway?
September 16th, 2009 at 1:00 pmWilson’s son had to say his dad wasn’t a racist and yet his dad belongs to the Sons Of Confederate Veterans. What were one of the issues the confederates were fighting against again…?
September 16th, 2009 at 1:01 pmralph the wonder llama says
September 16th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
I used to think Lamar Alexander was one of the more adult, saner Republicans.
I guess I was wrong.
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No, I think you may still be right. Have you checked where the bar is lately?
You should see the REST of the GOP…
September 16th, 2009 at 1:01 pmUncle@29, I don’t think there are enough therapists or ‘Czars’ in the U.S. to treat all these lunatics! I can’t believe how crazy the Repug Party has become! I really think these people went nuts when Obama was elected! They don’t even make sense anymore. Everywhere they look, there is a new fear. It is amazing.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:03 pma leader in the racist party.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:03 pmOff Topic Warning
“World Wrestling Entertainment Inc., the sports entertainment company behind shows such as “Friday Night SmackDown,” said Wednesday that Linda McMahon has resigned as its CEO to seek the Republican nomination for the U.S. Senate seat now held by Connecticut Democrat Christopher Dodd.”
The next Jesse Ventura? And we wonder why we are in debt!
September 16th, 2009 at 1:05 pmI believe this is called grasping for straws.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:05 pmfletc3her says:
The czarists are almost as crazy as the birthers.
September 16th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
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It’s all the same crazy, they’ve just moved on to a different topic.
P.S. – we’re calling them “Soviets” now. I think it’s a fitting title for people who oppose czars.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:07 pmWell, its nice to know for sure that Glenn Beck has overthrown Limbaugh as the head of the Republican party. The only question left is how low can they go?
September 16th, 2009 at 1:09 pmWhat’s funny, is that the teabaggers are convinced that the
September 16th, 2009 at 1:09 pmRussian Czars were communist.
pags@37, I believe this is the end of the Repug Party. The paranoia has reached a fever pitch. After the ‘912′ flop (Yes, it was a flop, no matter how hard the Repug Party spins it) you would think the Repugs would regroup and think of their next strategy. But no… They are plunging head first into the obyss with this nonsense. The Repug were once formidible adversaries, now they are pathetic.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:10 pmIn a republican world gays and lesbians would be put to death. Liberals would be sterilized. Womans right to choose would be abolished. War would be perpetual. We would only have one religion…theirs. Corporations would be allowed to pollute at will. Blacks and immigrants would become slaves. The Dukes Of Hazard would become our national TV program, NASCAR would become our national sport and “The Souths Gonna Do It Again” by Charlie Daniels would become our new national anthem
September 16th, 2009 at 1:10 pmUncle@42, And the Repug response would be, “Yeah, but you didn’t have to say it that way.”
September 16th, 2009 at 1:12 pmFDR and his 12 “czar” positions held our democracy together pretty well.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:12 pmShorter Alexander:
Czars appointed by Christian white Republican Presidents. Good.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:12 pmCzars appointed by a “Muslim” Democrat NI993R President. Bad.
ctcadguy says:
Who is Alexander anyway?
September 16th, 2009 at 1:13 pm———————————
Not the great…
Off Topic Warning
“World Wrestling Entertainment Inc., the sports entertainment company behind shows such as “Friday Night SmackDown,” said Wednesday that Linda McMahon has resigned as its CEO to seek the Republican nomination for the U.S. Senate seat now held by Connecticut Democrat Christopher Dodd.”
Oh snap! *see me hold my thumb down*???
September 16th, 2009 at 1:15 pmokie dokie says:
FDR and his 12 “czar” positions held our democracy together pretty well.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:17 pm————————————————————
FDR had 12 “czars”…GASP! That commie bastard! *snark*
ALEXANDER: According to news accounts, there are 32 or 34 so-called czars in the Obama White House…
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WTF? “According to news accounts”…?
Lamar… you’re a HIGH-RANKING member of that govt, and you DON’T EVEN KNOW what you’re talking about?
Shouldn’t someone in your position have more EXACT answers for us?
32 OR 34??? What happened to 33, Lamar?
Do you have ANY idea what those positions actually are?
What the job duties are?
Who the people in them are?
How many of them really are NEW positions, and how many are simply pre-existing ones?
Have they actually been appointed yet? Haven’t GOOPers done a FANTASTIC job of bottling up HUNDREDS of Admin appointees since Obama took office?
Maybe appointing them and BY-PASSING dick .. wads like you, Senator, is the ONLY WAY Obama can get someone into a job at this point.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:18 pm#24 Uncle Fester Lurks says:
I want to be the party czar!
Didn’t GWB appoint one when he was in office?
/snark
September 16th, 2009 at 1:20 pmOff Topic… ‘Birther’ Orly Taitz may face santions for her frivolous lawsuit claiming Obama isn’t legit. And the Doc who she was representing? Off to the Middle east!
September 16th, 2009 at 1:20 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
fletc3her says:
The czarists are almost as crazy as the birthers.
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Yeah… but they’re still not as bad as the Schlongers…
September 16th, 2009 at 1:23 pmA tidbit of history for our libs: They were called Freedom Helpers under the previous administration. They’re emblazing communist ‘czars’ under this one. Just wanted to clear that up. I don’t like it when people operate under facthoods.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:23 pmgully foyle says:
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#24 Uncle Fester Lurks says:
I want to be the party czar!
“Didn’t GWB appoint one when he was in office?
/snark”
Jeff Gannon?
September 16th, 2009 at 1:23 pm@51. Good. She’s as fake as the “Kenyan” birth certificate she forged and WWE wrestling………… And the repiggie racist birthers who circled the wagons around her.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:24 pmSTORM says:
When AMERICANS like Van Jones are appointed we have a problem that needs to be addressed.
Fixed. Maybe you should leave the country instead. You seem to detest living here.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:25 pmSTORM says:
When Radicals like Van Jones are appointed we have a problem that needs to be addressed.
Van Jones was an advisor… were you this worked up when Bush was politicizing the Justice Department?
September 16th, 2009 at 1:26 pmExactly, this man might have done things as bad as rumsfeld or gonzo if he had been left in his position.
Oh yeah, he didn’t have any real power like the real criminals….hmmm
September 16th, 2009 at 1:27 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
STORM says:
When Radicals like Van Jones are appointed we have a problem that needs to be addressed.
Yes, we republicans know a thing or two about addressing problems. Except when everything turns into one big problem. That’s where mom’s basement comes into play – we were voted there in 2006 & 2008, NOT the White House.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:28 pmCorrection: #57
STORM says:
When NI993RS like Van Jones are appointed we have a problem that needs to be addressed.
Fixed.
When racists like YOU come here to trollturd this blueblog, we have a problem that needs to be addressed….
Maybe you should leave the country instead. You seem to detest living here.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:28 pmSTORM says:
You are a truther?
I’m a common-sense American unlike you, teabagger.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:30 pmYou are a truther?
Much of our party consists of birthers, tenthers & teabaggers. What I wouldn’t give to be called a ‘truther’. Only in our party is being upstanding and inquisitive a BAD trait.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:30 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
STORM says:
How’d you feel about Paul Wolfowitz or John Bolton, STORM?
September 16th, 2009 at 1:31 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Which one of Bush’s czars thought Pearl Harbor or the Kennedy assassination was an inside job?
His deputy secretary of defense thought that you could remake the Middle East by toppling the Government in Iraq and he and the Vice President steered the country into that quagmire using the attacks of 9/11 to prove their theory…
how is the Special Advisor on Green Jobs opinion on 9/11 (whatever it is) scary at all, again?
September 16th, 2009 at 1:35 pmGot some high road, eh. When did you ever question your political party, ever?
September 16th, 2009 at 1:36 pmSTORMY should stick to porn, or maybe she should focus on her primary campaign against Diaper Dave Vitter.
She’s not very good at trolling.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:36 pmThese daily attacks has nothing to do with Czars or anything else but has a lot to do with Republicans last years defeat and losing of W.H., Congress and the Senate.
In everyday passes Republicans find a new reason to attack Obama,from questioning his birthplace to attacking his wife,to attacking his vacation’s time, to attacking his health plans from Obama is leading elderly women ‘the grandma story’ to death, to socialism , Communism,to Hitlerism etc. etc.,and now they are trying the Czars story with tea revolutionaries..and if this all do not stick..they will find something else…the whole goal is to keep attacking Obama ,Pelosi, the adminstration..and when Republicans make noise they make headlines too..just like when Wilson called Obama a ‘Liar’…the story took off fast,and Wilson got a lot of money for it.
There were Czars working in Washington when Obama was a kid. So why is this all noise now when people like Lamar Smith were supportive before and silent about Czars.
They want their power back…Republicans will do anything now…and they are gathering thousands of angry people to use for their ‘return to power’ plan.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:37 pmWe’re gonna have us some wrestlers in the Senate. The libs quickly ruined my excitement about the Baucus bill yesterday, which would bring about a taxpayer-funded cashcow to my beloved insurance companies, but now Linda McMahon can now be the next senator from Connecticut. Finally a rep for the wealthiest americans, a voice underrepresented and often victimized, denied of their rights and disadvantaged in so many ways.
Chief of Staff to Sen. McMahon – Stone Cold
Legislative Director – Batista
Press Secretary – The Rock
September 16th, 2009 at 1:37 pmstrom clods over chikago has found one lowely adviser that he thinks he can make an example out of.
Sad to think that in all of Obama’s government, the only thing he can find is some low level adviser with questionable motivations.
Now, let’s compare, shall we strom clods?
September 16th, 2009 at 1:39 pmDid you fear that the ‘Special Advisor on Green Jobs…’ might somehow get to head a far reaching committee investigation on 9/11, STORM?
Really?
Or were you and Beck just making scary stuff up?
September 16th, 2009 at 1:39 pmracism!!!! That’s what they are about.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:40 pmSTORM says:
Only when the inquisitive questions are in-line with your political party, right?
You meant “our” politial party. We in the GOP don’t want any bipartisan legislation as in 40/60 or 50/50. If it doesn’t advance COMPLETELY what Americans voted against, we need to scrap it and start over, are we clear?
We are pure in the GOP and expect unity. Tow the line or go you will be called out by Michelle Bachmann (muah!) for unAmerican activities. See those all-white protests? That is unity. Dems need to take notice and stop being a “big tent” party. They need to be pure and republican. Don’t ask questions – that is liberal elitist academicadian stuff.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:45 pmThis whole issue has been manufactured as part of the wingnuts strategy of diversion. First birth certificates, then the tea parties, then the town hall disruptions, now the czars. All with one purpose: to distract, to get us to “take our eye off the ball”.
Best thing to do is ignore them, as PBO has pretty much done. Another strategy would be to start making up crap about them, but that brings us to their level.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:46 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
It has to be about racism because his health care bill is perfect. Oh, and cap and trade is a wonderful little piece of legislation for our ailing economy. Its got to be racism!
You’ve given up arguing that Van Jones’ opinion of 9/11 (whatever it might be) is somehow ‘dangerous’ given the far reaching scope and power of the ‘Special Advisor on Green Jobs…’ ???
Good Choice.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:50 pmyep.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:50 pmYou are a complete idiot if you believe 9/11 was an insure job.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:51 pmYou are a complete idiot if you believe 9/11 was an insure job.
You are a complete idiot with no understanding of Mideast politics if you believe that IRAQ had anything to do with al Quaeda or 9/11 prior to our invasion…
Did you argue for the removal of Wolfowitz, Bolton and Cheney who not only held this opinion but had the power to act on it?
No?
Strange.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:54 pmstormy, it’s racism. No one protested any white presidents czars did they?
It’s definatly racism.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:57 pmThis is different. Bush czars weren’t communist czars.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:57 pmLamar Alexander and the KKK… good friends from what I remember.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:58 pmHi STORM…
September 16th, 2009 at 1:59 pmNow Fred, the fact that every president since Roosevelt has appointed czars, and none of the white people said anything about until now is probably just a coinsidence.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:00 pmYou are a complete idiot if you believe 9/11 was an insure job.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Maybe the insurance companies did play a role. I wouldn’t put it beneath them.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:01 pmshoeless says:
This is different. Bush czars weren’t communist czars.
You guys keep taking the words right out of my mouth. unbelievable!
September 16th, 2009 at 2:03 pmRemember yesterday?
Good times, STORMfront, good times.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:04 pmYou are a complete idiot if you believe 9/11 was an insure job.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:05 pm— And what sort of idiot are you if you think the POTUS is not a citizen?
cap and trade is a wonderful little piece of legislation for our ailing economy
September 16th, 2009 at 2:07 pm–
cap and trade is more related to our long term survival. Stop being such a cheap prick…
Hmmmm, the imperfect Storm tells us that it isn’t racism. So, it must be something else, but he doesn’t tell us what it is.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:09 pmOh, just like repugs were for Usama bin Laden before they were “against” it.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:16 pmSTOOGE!!!
Rock on, my brother!
Wanna grab some wings at Hooters later?
September 16th, 2009 at 2:16 pmThe first President to appoint Czars was Nixon. The Republicans have gone along with Czars for 30 years under both Democrat and Republican Presidents. So what has happened now that all of a sudden it is an issue? Well we know the answer about what is different now, don’t we? I just cannot see any other plausible explanation other than racism.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:18 pmActually, they go all the way back to FDR.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:23 pmCorrect me if I’m wrong, but if President Obama has actual Czars working for him, doesn’t that make the Republicans who oppose him Bolshiveks?
September 16th, 2009 at 2:25 pmWhere’d STORM go? Down graded to insignificant winds?
September 16th, 2009 at 2:27 pmDang, got Stormy’s post 67 in this thread.
Livin’ large I tell you, I’m livin’ large!
September 16th, 2009 at 4:15 pmSomeone needs to remind Sen. Alexander that Bush Jr. had even more “czars”, yet where was his outrage then?
September 16th, 2009 at 6:05 pmBush had more czars than Obama. There have been “czars” (so-named by the media) since FDR, and the term has been recognized by the President since Nixon.
The entire point of having someone selected by the White House for a position and having them report to the President even if they’re lower than Cabinet level was, and remains, an efficiency measure. If a given activity is particularly important to the country, then whatever sub-director is in charge of it should be selected by and report directly to the Prez, in order to cut out inefficiency and red tape.
September 16th, 2009 at 8:22 pmLamar is a czar.
September 20th, 2009 at 1:57 amtest.
September 20th, 2009 at 1:58 amThank you for your sharing.!
September 23rd, 2009 at 5:55 amBasically the republicans with do anything or say anything to misinform the public.It doesn’t matter if it’s true or false as long as feathers their nest. estetik ameliyatlar
September 23rd, 2009 at 10:14 am