Limbaugh Cares About Hate Crimes Only When Whites Are Victims — Even If They’re Not Real Hate Crimes
Limbaugh Cares About Hate Crimes Only When Whites Are Victims — Even If They’re Not Real Hate Crimes
Yesterday, hate radio host Rush Limbaugh took up a story about a fight between three Illinois schoolchildren — the two attackers were black and the victim was white. The event gained extra attention because it was captured on video. Limbaugh cast it as a hate crime — typical of what whites face in “Obama’s America” where “white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering”:
LIMBAUGH: It’s Obama’s America, is it not? Obama’s America, white kids getting beat up on school buses now. You put your kids on a school bus, you expect safety but in Obama’s America the white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering, “Yay, right on, right on, right on, right on,” and, of course, everybody says the white kid deserved it, he was born a racist, he’s white. Newsweek magazine told us this. We know that white students are destroying civility on buses, white students destroying civility in classrooms all over America, white congressmen destroying civility in the House of Representatives.
Listen here:
There’s no evidence that the fight was racially motivated. Although the local police captain initially speculated that it may have been, he later backtracked and said, “The incident appears now to be more about a couple of bullies on a bus dictating where people sit.” D’Vante Lott, a student who witnessed the attack and was suspended for laughing at the incident, said the two attackers were basically just trying to act tough.
Limbaugh never cares about racially motivated attacks perpetrated on people of color and has derided hate crimes legislation. He said that such a bill would “carve out protection for perverts” and worried that it didn’t provide enough protections for whites.
Federal authorities are now probing a possible hate crime that happened outside a Georgia Cracker Barrel restaurant. After Army reservist Tasha Hill, who is African-American, politely asked Troy Dale West, who is white, to be careful because he almost hit her daughter when opening the door, he began spewing racial epithets at her and punching and kicking her in front of her daughter. Will Limbaugh also condemn this incident today? (Unlikely, considering that in the past, he has praised slavery, said that James Earl Ray deserved the Medal of Honor, and claimed that “all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson.”)
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Yeah, that’s right. Blame Obama for this, too. Forget the fact that blacks still make up only 25% of the population.
Stoopid. No other words suffice. Not “ignorant” or “misinformed” but just plain old “stoopid.”
September 16th, 2009 at 1:24 pmLimpballs is a hate crime, and a walking atrocity.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:25 pmActually, jurassicpork, it’s closer to 13%.
I’ve got some work to do. Can someone please page me when b-cup arrives to explain how Rush is not a racist?
Thanks.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:27 pmGod, I loathe that ugly POS.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:28 pmAs if kids didn’t get beat up years ago…
I still think Limbaugh got a lot of ‘azz-whuppin’ when he was a kid and has been mentally scarred because of it.
When Limbaugh mouths off it sounds like a bell–dung, dung, dung…
September 16th, 2009 at 1:28 pmThey seem to think that this “the scary black man in the white house hates white people” diatribe is sticking to the wall a bit so they are running with that.
Of course the fact Obama was raised by white people seems completely lost on them……lol!
September 16th, 2009 at 1:30 pm***
has mike steele apologized to
limbaugh for this “racist” attack yet?
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September 16th, 2009 at 1:30 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Right now Michael Steele is telling Andrea Mitchell that race is not an issue in the attacks on President Obama.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:33 pmThis is why we need a non-market revenue based media. Get rid of the profit margin and a lot of this kind of crapola would just disappear.
You can make all the profits you want on bubblegum, cosmetic, even cigarettes.
Stay away from the news (and healthcare, education, etc).
At least, this is the nature of the debate I would like to see. Of course, you wont see it because the coyotes are in charge.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:33 pmI think facts in general are lost on them.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:33 pm.
Of course, (R)ush was against white kids beating up black and Hispanic kids, YES?
And of course he blamed George W. Bush, YES?
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September 16th, 2009 at 1:35 pmWhat horseshit.
Bullies are bullies.
Jackasses are jackasses.
And Limbaugh is a blatant racist.
Having gone to a fairly ethnially mixed high school, it’s almost never about a race when a white kid get beaten by a black kid. Or a Hispanic kid. Or an Asian kid.
And, if this is Obama’s America, where blacks beat up on whites with impugnity…why hasn’t Rush been jumped yet?
Race baiting at its worst.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:36 pmCan’t we get this hate mongering off the airwaves? Really, this isn’t news and it isn’t entertainment. It is just hated and bigotry over and over again. It serves no public good except to re-enforce prejudice. Shut Rush and FOX down. It is just sick that this hatred has a place in our society.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:36 pm***
#8,
“engender”?
more like embiggens.
:|
September 16th, 2009 at 1:36 pmHe said that such a bill would “carve out protection for perverts”
Guess he’s all for that, the Rush the Pervo abuser of underage prostitutes in the Dominican Republic.
Every time there is any news of this stuff the actual racists are going to point it out as reverse racism.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:36 pmThis man is one blubbery pile of evil.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:37 pmTroy Dale West = Probable Beck Fox Limbaugh hate groupie.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:37 pmAs someone who actually went to school in this country, there is nothing new under the sun about kids cheering when kids fight.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:37 pmThis is the America that Limbaugh and the Republican’s (all of them) want to go back to.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/-peipakoa-/1329772134/
If you look closely you can see Limbaugh, Beck, O’Reilly, Hannity, Coulter, Ingraham, Ailes, Murdoch (he flew in from Australia), Cantor, Boehner, Baucus, Gregg, McCain, Wilson, Steele (he’s selling kool-aid, grape) Landrieu, Shuler, etc. It actually looks like an RNC picnic.
Now the reason I say all Republicans is that I have yet to see a so-called reasonable, rational, respectable, Republican stand up and soundly reject this BS.
I would like to know from any of the so-called Republicans on this site, when you speak about the American people, who are you talking about? After denigrating, disrespecting, and hating on Blacks, Hispanics, Women, Gays, Asians, Arabs, Non-Christians, Union members, Teachers, etc. Who the hell are these Americans you speak of?
I’ll wait, no I wont.
RIP
September 16th, 2009 at 1:38 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Shayne,
September 16th, 2009 at 1:38 pmOf course it’s never (R)acist when (R)epublicans do it.
“R-words” – so often and so wrong
We’re finally starting to hear a trickle of truth from beltwaydom about a major force behind opposition to President Obama. That’s good. It’s a few months late, but it’s good. Unfortunately, this truth includes the use of “R-words” that chafe like sand in swimwear and don’t accurately describe the force.
The force is fueled by bigotry, practiced by bigots who believe bigoted concepts.
“Bigot”, in all its forms, is the word to use. “Race”, in all its forms, isn’t. “Race”, etc., spreads the myth that humans can be divided into categories that were created by bigots for no other reason than to suppress targeted groups of people. “Caucasian”, “Asian”, “African-American”, etc., have no scientific basis. There’s no gene for race.
Ironically, bigots rely on the concept of race being accepted as fact and I just cringe when I see them unwittingly assisted by those opposing bigotry. If Barack Obama had addressed “bigotry” in place of “racism” in his powerful campaign speech, he would have inched us a bit closer to leaving all things “racist” in the dustbin of history where this destructive concept belongs.
As we have and will continue to hear from Rush, Sean, Glenn and the rest of hate media’s bile spewers, “racism” isn’t a factor in the screams of opposition to President Obama.
I agree. “Racism” isn’t a factor, but bigotry is – BIG TIME.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:42 pmLimbaugh, a blatant racist whose violent rants show that he is filled with hatred towards people of color, has no right ever to accuse others of racism. His comments in this article alone reveal his motivation, his bigotry, & the way he can inflate dishonestly any story to incite hatred & violence towards others.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:42 pmKids have been fighting on school buses since their have beem school buses.
Do us all a favor Limbaugh and change your very old and tired schtick.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:43 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
stewarjt says:
If TP’s goal is to engender hatred of Limbaugh, they’ve succeeded.
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TP didn’t have to do anything… how can you NOT be repulsed by Limbaugh?
BTW… I think it’s safe to say that Limbaugh himself goes out of his way to engender hatred of Limbaugh… it’s GOOD for business!
September 16th, 2009 at 1:44 pmI just saw Limbaugh crying that he’s accused of being a racist because he disagrees with Obama but he disagrees with Jimmy Carter too and he isn’t called a racist. He isn’t a racist because of President Obama. He’d be a bald faced embarrassing racist pig even if President Obama was never born.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:45 pma fight between three Missouri schoolchildren
it may not matter to the gist of the story, but i do believe the incident happened in Belleville, IL…
where there is an active KKK chapter… this WILL get ugly…
East St. Louis – maybe 90% black – in the same area, known as ‘metro-east’ (of St. Louis)…
and, there is no way to NOT listen to limpballs anywhere on the AM dial…
and rushbo will not be proven wrong – “it is all about race” …
September 16th, 2009 at 1:45 pmbackup says:
___________
Someone page ralphie… b-cup’s here right on cue…
September 16th, 2009 at 1:45 pmDING!
Paging Ralph.
RIP
September 16th, 2009 at 1:47 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
If white teens beat up a black family, we would consider it a hate crime.
No. We consider it a hate crime if RACE was a motivating factor in the beating.
If black teens beat up a white family, would we also consider it a hate crime?
Yes. If RACE were a motivating factor in the beating.
Get it?
September 16th, 2009 at 1:47 pmIn Obama’s America, if Limbaugh gets lockjaw, sane and intelligent Americans cheer. Yippee — Booyah.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:49 pmbackup, who is more likely to serve a prison term, a white kid beating up a black kid or a black kid beating up a white kid. One reason hate crime legislation was enacted was to overcome the bias of local white legislators against prosecuting white on black crime. Nobody is defending anybody who beats up somebody else and the incident mentioned above has NOTHING TO DO WITH PRESIDENT OBMA. DOES IT?
September 16th, 2009 at 1:50 pmOh thank God I had my pager on — thanks for the heads-up, TRoS.
Now I can sit back and enjoy the b-cup show.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:51 pmLimpBaugh doesn even get the liberals or moderates riled up any more, hes like watching a re-run for the hundredth million time.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:52 pmThat’s weird, I think the point he’s trying to make is: President Obama for some reason wants white kids to get beaten up by black kids and therefore white parents should be filled with violent outrage.
I also think his comments are in service of giving those on the crazy fringe right who want to start a race war a big sloppy wet kiss of support.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:52 pmDear Backedup,
What’s a hate crime?
Seems to me you should start with the legal definition of what constitutes a hate crime. Until you’re ready to do that, your baseless arguments are, well…
… Baseless.
.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:52 pmYou have created the worst sin a man can ever do Limmy, you are BORING.
Sheesh already
September 16th, 2009 at 1:52 pmIs this hyothetical? Seriously, I mean, did this ever happen?
September 16th, 2009 at 1:53 pmhere is a video version
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhdeOTPJf1j7nyPO9x
can someone find the actual footage of the girl getting beaten? i think it would be a good anti limp-baugh video footage.. i cant find it.. but when i typed bus white kid getting beat in google i found it in 5 seconds.. (tons of racial comments too)
once i find it ill post it here
http://rightwingsuperturds.blogspot.com/
September 16th, 2009 at 1:53 pmChildren fight all the time. It doesn’t matter how many times parents say “no fighting”, they still do it. Just more ignorance from a drug addicted, teenage boy molester.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:53 pmYes Backup, I have heard Limmy say this a million times before, I know his opinion I dont want to hear it anymore, I dont agree with it. Full Stop.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:54 pmJust a few months ago, Rush was confidently predicting that America would never elect a black President. He sounded pretty sure of himself–you know Rush.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:55 pmRush Limbaugh (who once told a female African-American caller to “take that bone out of your nose”) pontificating on the subject of race relations would be the equivalent of David Vitter and Larry Craig co-sponsoring the Marriage Protection Amendment. Oh wait . . . . .
Just saying . . .
September 16th, 2009 at 1:56 pmRush Limbaugh – what a waste of American airwaves and oxygen.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:56 pmcan someone find the actual footage of the girl getting beaten?
Wasn’t a girl.
Video here:
http://videos.stltoday.com/p/video?id=6172583
Seems students of all races were cheering the fight on and students of all races were shocked by the fight as well.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:56 pmI have heard what the birthers and the deathers and the lifers have to say, repeating it over and over and over wont change anyones opinion. They are working themselves into a tizzy and then I am supposed to react to theur tizzy?
No. Got to your room if your going to do that I DONT WANT TO HEAR IT ANYMORE.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:56 pm***
#29,
oh christ! get ready for the
dialogues of moe and curly.
:(
on’tday etgay emthay artedstay onway
isthay orway itway illway evernay endway!
:)
September 16th, 2009 at 1:56 pmBut all you little white kids on buses in rural America better watch out. I live in Chicago and I’m going to work for ACORN. My plan is to instruct black school kids that when they get really pissed off for being treated unfairly not to take it out on each other. What they need to do is steal a car, and drive to some all white sh#t kicker town and wait for somebody to treat them disrespectfully. If they’re in the right town it will take about 15 seconds. Then they need to get on a school bus and start kicking some arse. Then we’ll know they are really guilty of a hate crime.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:57 pm****
#39,
fred if you engage this shi† for
brains i will never forgive you.
*
never.
:)
September 16th, 2009 at 1:59 pm“Everybody says the white kid deserved it, he was born a racist, he’s white. Newsweek magazine told us this. We know that white students are destroying civility on buses, white students destroying civility in classrooms all over America, white congressmen destroying civility in the House of Representatives.”
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Rush, Rush, Rush…
What have we all learned about sweeping generalizations w/out specifics?
That they’re MEANINGLESS, if not downright destructive.
“Everybody says” is a logical fallacy, Rush…
More specifically, an “argumentum ad populum” wherein the number of believers is used to support a claim when an inductive justification is insufficient to prove it.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:59 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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#39,
if you ig him i will send you
“mega-dittoes” of good karma.
*
thank you.
:)
September 16th, 2009 at 2:00 pm****
#52,
all aboard! the crap load
express is leaving the station.
*
September 16th, 2009 at 2:02 pmFred says:
Is this hyothetical? Seriously, I mean, did this ever happen?
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Yes… I think it was Akron…
Akron police investigate teen mob attack on family
By Phil Trexler
Beacon Journal staff writer
POSTED: 07:44 p.m. EDT, Jul 07, 2009
September 16th, 2009 at 2:04 pmjoe cantwell says, stick first eh?
September 16th, 2009 at 2:04 pm“Limbaugh Cares About Hate Crimes Only When Whites Are Victims — Even If They’re Not Real Hate Crimes”
As long as Obama is still in office, El Rushbo will continue the hate on Obama and spur up the wingnuts to run wild. As Beck’s loins is attached to the corporate sponsors and corporate ads, so is El Rushbo.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:05 pmbackup proves that white people are capable of being as stupid as any other race, color or species of critter. He displays the intelligence of a slug.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:06 pmHate is an emotion. All humans are capable of hate.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:06 pm.
Dear Backedup…
… MO-TI-VA-TION.
.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:06 pmCertainly not El Rushbo. He just looked at the racial characters of the kids involved and reached his conclusion on that basis alone.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:07 pm***
#56,
fred,
“All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated…As therefore the bell that rings to a sermon, calls not upon the preacher only, but upon the congregation to come: so this bell calls us all: but how much more me, who am brought so near the door by this sickness….No man is an island, entire of itself…any man’s death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.”
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john donne never met backup.
:|
September 16th, 2009 at 2:07 pmdraftedin68 says:
“Bigot”, in all its forms, is the word to use. “Race”, in all its forms, isn’t. “Race”, etc., spreads the myth that humans can be divided into categories that were created by bigots for no other reason than to suppress targeted groups of people. “Caucasian”, “Asian”, “African-American”, etc., have no scientific basis. There’s no gene for race.
September 16th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
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This is not technically true. Yes, there is no single gene for race, but there are multiple genetic markers for continent of origin in our Y-chromosomes and mitochondrial DNA. By tracing the lineage of different mutations on these chromosomes, it is possible to trace the rough lineage of where one’s ancestors went after they left the Rift Valley and which continent they landed in. Some groups map to Europe, some to East Asia, some to Sahul, some to the Middle East, some to other parts of Africa, and some to the Americas. Most people have a mix of one or more of these haplotypes.
Race itself may be an artificial construct, but it is based in something very real – history. Behind every “racial” incident, behind every “ethnic” conflict, is a historical reality that provides context for modern behaviors. This is why it’s unwise to dismiss race altogether. It does exist, however much you may wish it didn’t.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:07 pmralph the wonder llama says:
Oh thank God I had my pager on — thanks for the heads-up, TRoS.
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Yer welcome… I didn’t want you to miss out on all the frivolity and good-spirited hijinks sure to ensue when b-cup appears on a “Limbaugh/racism” thread…
September 16th, 2009 at 2:10 pmI agree with what you’re saying, but who’s making the determination?
First the prosecutor who files the charges.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:10 pmAnd then ultimately the jury who decides whether those charger are guilty.
That’s who makes the determination.
It’s a system that has flaws but one I prefer it to allowing drug-addled radio hosts to make that decisions.
Will Rogers: “I never met a man I didn’t like”
Will Rogers also never met backup.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:10 pm… those ‘charged’ are guilty.
Please excuse the typo…
September 16th, 2009 at 2:11 pm***
#61,
thus begins the endless game of
tic-tac-toe that always ends in a tie.
?
September 16th, 2009 at 2:11 pmralph the wonder llama says:
Certainly not El Rushbo. He just looked at the racial characters of the kids involved and reached his conclusion on that basis alone.
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And “Everybody” knows it, ralphie… EVERYBODY…
September 16th, 2009 at 2:12 pmThis video was disturbing to watch. It looked like one stupid a$$ kid started the whole thing while black and white kids cheered him on.
Limbaugh is the most hateful POS alive on earth besides Beck. I can not believe he is trying to use this incident in his “Obama’s America” hate spew!
Limbaugh and Beck and Dobbs are why the screaming protesters are afraid. They’ve been brainwashed by these creeps!
September 16th, 2009 at 2:13 pmbackup says:
I think the point that Limbaugh is trying to make is: Why do we only consider hate crimes (based on race) when the victims are minorities?
September 16th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
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Which only proves that Limbaugh is characteristically ignorant of the facts. According to the 2007 statistics, out of 3,870 race-based hate crimes, 749 were anti-white. Meaning that white people can indeed be the target of hate crimes. Pointing to one specific incident of anti-black or anti-white hate crime as proof of a trend is just as idiotic as pointing to a cold day in July as proof that climate change is a hoax.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:14 pmBut, but, but Limbaugh said it was “all about race” when Powell endorsed Obama, but now, according to him, the Tea-bagger marches aren’t about race.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:17 pmJimmy Carter is correct.
SHALL – WE- PLAY – A – GAME?
September 16th, 2009 at 2:17 pmOur little tub of cranky goo, little Rusty Blimpycakes, has always been afraid of black people. He was raised that way. And in his family the apple doesn’t fall far from the horse’s rump.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:18 pmIf this isn’t about racism then why did limpballs do this story. It reeks of racism.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:18 pmWasn’t Imus removed from the air for comments less hateful than this cheneyhole makes? Why isn’t the FCC or the Humane Society or someone on Rush like white on rice about his hate speech?
September 16th, 2009 at 2:20 pmThis guy is deliberately setting out to hurt, confuse and outrage. People need to be very thoughtful in how to respond. The whole strategy of the far-right now is to create confusion and fear. It’s important not to get caught in their whirlwind. The strategy against the advertisers on Beck’s shows seems productive. What other ways can take down these hate-talkers? They will use any head-on confrontation to their advantage. What are the skeletons in their cupboards?
This is a very dangerous time for the US. It’s likely that some of the engineeers of these right-wing protests have an endgame in mind which involves impeaching the president – although I am sure there are others who have less patience and may act at any time.
The actions of the astroturfers and some sections of the MSM are reminiscent of the activities in Venezuela before the April 11, 2002 coup. Research into which companies were active behind the scenes in Venezuela at the time would be fruitful. I am sure there are many lessons to learn from this. Bartley and O’Brians film is online at:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5832390545689805144#
The media event which precipitated the coup was a gun battle begun by hidden snipers, targeting pro-government forces. The crowd shot back and there were casualties on both sides.
I am a European socialist. I live in the UK. My father and his generation came back from WW11 and booted out Winston Churchill in the elections in 1945 and voted for a National Health Service. My grandmother fought for socialism all her life.
It is shocking to see the crazed religious zealots making so much noise in your country. For a European, the idea that there is a god-given right to carry a gun is absolutely insane. Two wars have taught us that.
I have been researching some of the so-called ‘Christian’ doctrines of the ‘Third Wave’, including Sarah Palin’s background. This is more insanity. Aside from Pastor Muthi and praying against ‘withches’, I have learned that some pastors teach that Eve had sex with the snake in the garden of Eden and all the intellectuals in the world are the descendants of Cain, product of that union. You really cannot make this stuff up. This is just as bad as the taliban.
I wish you love and success in your great struggle.
APC
September 16th, 2009 at 2:20 pmThe point he’s trying to make, is that the poor downtrodden white deathbaggers are the real victims of the National Political Drama.
But why am I typing this – Joe is right.
“cats.”
September 16th, 2009 at 2:20 pmjust saw the video of BOTH fights… feel sorry for the kid.
bullying can be motivated by so many different factors: age, race, gender, beliefs… hell even clothing, greed and many others i’m sure.
regardless of the reason, i got chills watching that… it still disturbs me 10-15 minutes later
September 16th, 2009 at 2:21 pmRush is a fool but luckily his days are numbered. His demographics are awlful. Young folks have absolutely no use for him.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:22 pmLimbaugh contradicts himself all the time, but he knows that his dupes are too stupid to pick up on it.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:22 pmoh yes, trolls, dittoheads, Limbaugh is not racist…*cough bullshit *cough
September 16th, 2009 at 2:23 pmbackup says:
I think people are people, regardless of their skin color. Minorities are just as capable of hate as non-minorities.
If you look at the statistics that another poster put, they show the facts here. Whites are victims of hate crimes and are protected by hate-crimes legislation. Limbaugh wants to suggest that hate crimes are like another form of “welfare” or special protections that minorities get “undeservingly.” The reason he distorts the facts is to stir up white resentment against minorities. Why are minorities getting preferred treatment while we aren’t? It’s more of the victimization mentality which ignores the fact for some feel-good self-pity.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:31 pm***
#73,
Joshua: A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
:)
September 16th, 2009 at 2:32 pmWhen I hear the sound of Limbaugh’s voice I want to cover my ears.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:34 pmReflex, I guess.
Like holding your breath when someone vomits.
nice bait, lot lizard.
have another bump.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:35 pmmj secessionist, I had no idea the gop was up to such things.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:37 pm***
#85,
are you talking about
blackwater or halliburton?
**
i get them mixed up too.
:)
September 16th, 2009 at 2:39 pmmj secessionist says:
70 convictions in the last 3 yrs and now caught trying to set up child prostitution rings and aiding in tax fraud. No big deal?
The size of ACORN’s operations unfortunately subject it to the whims of those who want to play the game here. ACORN does a lot of self-scrutinizing for a “corrupt organization.”
The topic is Rush Limbaugh…do you think he’s no big deal?
September 16th, 2009 at 2:39 pm***
oh that’s right,
halliburton’s where dick cheney
use to work, isn’t it?
:)
September 16th, 2009 at 2:42 pmmj, so upset about child prostitution rings. I’m sure you would want to go after those who solicit child prostitutes as well.
Quit showing false bravado about one aspect and ignoring the other.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:47 pmWe can always judge the topics that freak out the trolls the most, because those are the threads on which the sockpuppets try their hardest to float their “Acorn” material.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:50 pmhttp://finance.senate.gov/sitepages/leg/LEG%202009/091609%20Americas_Healthy_Future_Act.pdf
You can read Baucus’s bill here aaronk… but since it’s probably DOA it seems like kind of a waste to me…
September 16th, 2009 at 2:50 pmmj must be using a hex editor, It doesn’t make any sense at all.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:50 pmOops #96 is in the wrong thread… sorry everybody.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:51 pmI love the acorn thing Ralph. It always trips them and they fall flat on their faces.
That’s what happens when you lie.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:51 pmBackup
A big part of the reason why we are quick to jump to “hate crime” when it’s white on black crime and not as quick when it’s black on white crime is that whites have an incredibly long and colorful history of being racist bastards. Sorry to be so blunt about it, but it’s true. Black people in this country have been considered less than full, true citizens for centuries, and only now, two full generations after public schools were integrated, are we seeing this dissipate in most areas. But that doesn’t mean that racism is dead, and historically, it is the white man that is racist.
Black people have been treated horrifically by whites, and it is, frankly, understandable that they have developed a racism all their own toward those who have actively persecuted them their entire lives. As someone said above, another reason is to balance out the inherent bias present in the justice system that sees fit to imprison 8 out of 10 black men at some point in their lives and routinely sentences them to much harsher punishment than whites convicted of the same crime.
For me personally, a hate crime is a hate crime if and only if the primary motivating factor in the commission of the crime is bigotry, no matter what form that bigotry takes. In the case of the white family that was beaten up by the black teenagers, it sounds like a hate crime when I read it, but I also understand that they want to investigate it more before making that determination. I’m always in favor of a thorough investigation before stating things to be fact.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:52 pm“Not Real Hate Crimes”?
“the local police captain initially speculated that it may have been”
In other words Thinkprogress shouldn’t be spreading inaccurate information.
Frankly it would come as no shock to me if the attack was racist though in all fairness if it’s Obama’s fault that this attack on a white kid took place then it’s Bush’s fault that the Jena six attacked a white kid.
In other words Limbaugh is wrong to attempt to link this to Obama.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:55 pmCRACKER barrell….how ironic…..on MANY levels….
September 16th, 2009 at 2:55 pm****
#94,
“cuntwell”?
hi twajie :)
**
extra treat:
becky melt down;
compares himself to murrow.
:)
September 16th, 2009 at 2:55 pmSo we should ignore the ACTUAL rape and cover up of a young woman and instead focus on the pretend ‘gotcha’ of a Conservative activist targeting ACORN, mj?
Is that about right?
Boy, you’re a winner!
mj secessionist says:
This comment has been voted down. Click to read.
This is news, how?
September 16th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
September 16th, 2009 at 2:55 pmI gotta say, this latest sockpuppet isn’t very bright. Must not have been washed with color-safe bleach.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:56 pmmj = loon
September 16th, 2009 at 2:56 pmmj, it’s sadly funny how you can’t stick to the thread’s subject matter and jump around like Dick Morris at at toe sucking festival.
September 16th, 2009 at 3:01 pm***
#106 & #107,
fred and ralph,
it’s twajie.
he slipped with the “cuntwell” thing again.
like most conservatives when twajie makes
a joke he thinks is funny he says it over and
over again. he can’t himself.
**
it’s mental onanism.
:|
September 16th, 2009 at 3:02 pmmj you can get your panty dewadder at walmart. good luck.
September 16th, 2009 at 3:03 pmIt’s funny how our new troll sockpuppet likes to wave paper dolls from around the corner and speaks in funny voices and STILL expects us to believe that they’re real people, not paper dolls at all.
Do you think it’s the popsicle stick in the grip of a sock with a face drawn on it that gives it away?
September 16th, 2009 at 3:03 pmjoe, that would certainly explain the “can’t stick to a topic” thing and the “obsessing over fake scandal” thing.
Those were always a few of Twajie’s favorites games.
September 16th, 2009 at 3:04 pm***
“mercinaries”
bad spelling.
another twajie trait.
*
it’s “mercenaries” shi† for brains.
:|
September 16th, 2009 at 3:05 pmmj secessionist says:
It’s funny how you loons had your thongs all wadded up when Bush used “mercinaries” but when your boy uses them you bury your little pencil necks in the sand…..
Boy- you know if BUSH hadn’t over-stressed the military and privatized the security details of the State Dept. I bet we could be using Marines to do this…
but it’ll probably take a while to set things right.
Have anything to say on topic?
September 16th, 2009 at 3:05 pmI can’t believe he can spew this much hate & still have sponsors.
September 16th, 2009 at 3:05 pm# 94
Twajie, why are you so bitter?
Is it because your hate/stalker blog was shut down for the second time?
Or is it because the skank from Tennessee with the meth teeth left you and moved back to the hills?
Btw: The second shutdown of your blog (Troll Central) was not the surprise CJ promised, so you have something else to look forward towards. Don’t forget we have a second surprise fourteen days after the first.
Don’t you just love surprises?
September 16th, 2009 at 3:05 pm***
#113,
read it, did you?
*
gotcha!
:)
September 16th, 2009 at 3:07 pmmj secessionist says:
Is that on topic?
September 16th, 2009 at 3:08 pmAre you able to comprehend the concept?
She wants to bait us into condemning Obama assuming we’re Obamabots or whatever they like to call us. What she doesn’t realize is that we are not mindless sheep like the other side.
September 16th, 2009 at 3:11 pm***
#119,
reg,
poor twajie,
getting beat up on the bus again!
:(
you’d think he’d learn.
:)
September 16th, 2009 at 3:11 pmmj secessionist says:
It’s funny how you loons had your thongs all wadded up when Bush used “mercinaries” but when your boy uses them you bury your little pencil necks in the sand…..
September 16th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
____________
We would prefer that this administration not continue the use of private military contractors, be they Blackwater or Triple Canopy. However, short of reinstating the draft, it is impossible to maintain a diplomatic and security presence in Iraq or Afghanistan without them. Hopefully the State Department will find a way to phase them out as part of the QDDR process.
September 16th, 2009 at 3:13 pmYep. Twajie is really freaked out by Limbaugh’s racism being exposed.
You can tell by the fury with which he’s trying to float his “acorn” crap.
Twajie doesn’t like to see the right-wing racist underbelly exposed. Who can blame him? Like most of the body of conservatism, it’s bloated and pale from not enough exposure to the sun.
September 16th, 2009 at 3:14 pmReggie, another goodie to point out to trajie.
The guy who tried to get out of deployment by claiming Obama was not legitimate lost big time and his lawyer….what’s that skanks name the trolls always throw around, anyway, she was told that if she brought any more trivial lawsuits that there would be reprecusions for her personally as a lawyer.
Ha.
September 16th, 2009 at 3:15 pmTwajie says:
LOOK OVER THERE! ACORN! ACORN!
Unfortunately, the squirrel that twajie used to point at, found the acorn and stored it in his burrow.
September 16th, 2009 at 3:16 pm“and, of course, everybody says the white kid deserved it, he was born a racist, he’s white.”
sounds like tub-o-lard has some unresolved issues from his childhood of asswhoopings in missouri
September 16th, 2009 at 3:24 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom
September 16th, 2009 at 3:26 pm#126
I think Orly Taitz is the least of Twajie’s concerns at the moment. It appears that he and his deranged minions have attracted a little bit too much attention.
My source tells me that they are trying to move their hate site to a server in Eastern Europe, since nobody will touch them in America after the second shutdown.
It’s not like it wasn’t expected, when you advocate for assassination of the president and call for a military overthrow of the government, it is a sure thing that your host server will drop you like a hot potato.
Thank goodness for screen shot software.
September 16th, 2009 at 3:26 pmso I guess the trolls crying ACORN is better than them crying “Clenis” “Clenis!” I guess we’ve actually progressed a little bit as a whole.
September 16th, 2009 at 3:26 pmBeethoven Rules says:
The crime is not about your political agenda, here…
September 16th, 2009 at 3:28 pm****
#127,
no wait ralph, it’s van jones…
run for your lives people,
IT’S VAN JONES!!!
*
how many people did he torture, anyway?
**
none.
:)
September 16th, 2009 at 3:29 pmSo much in this post is incredibly wrong, so to save time I’ll just point out that Amanda Terkel is lying to you. A Rush quote she mentions is bogus. If you trust Amanda Terkel, see the link.
September 16th, 2009 at 3:31 pmKids fight for a variety of reasons, but rarely is it about politics. In this particular case, it sounds like your classic bully/intimidation motivation. That’s colorless.
But Rush wants to frame this as a race issue. He wants to scale this up to national implications, pitting one group against another. That’s why Rush is anti-American…he hates this country under a political leadership that wants to make this country better, instead of putting Party interests before country. Why he’s allowed to use the public airways to promote a race war is beyond me.
September 16th, 2009 at 3:31 pm***
#129,
Reaction
The national news media was criticized for allegedly ignoring the story because the victims were white and the suspects black.[4][6][7] This criticism was also fueled by erroneous early reports of dismemberment and mutilations.[8] Most of the original reports with misinformation (reported from a federal deputy after the suspects’ arrest in Kentucky) were later denied by the District Attorney.[8]
One commentator explained that “as bad as this crime is, the apparent absence of any interest group involvement or any other ‘angle’ might also explain the lack of coverage.” Police Chief Sterling Owen IV said that there is no indication the crimes were racially motivated and that the murders and assault “appears to have been a random violent act.”[9] “There is absolutely no proof of a hate crime,” said John Gill, special counsel to Knox County District Atty. Randy Nichols. “We know from our investigation that the people charged in this case were friends with white people, socialized with white people, dated white people. So not only is there no evidence of any racial animus, there’s evidence to the contrary.”[10]
Some commentators have continued to disagree, claiming that such a crime would include a motive of racial hate. Conservative media, notably including blogger Michelle Malkin on her blog and on Fox News’s O’Reilly Factor program, have also repeated this accusation.[11] Prior to the DA’s statement, Newsom’s mother sympathized with the “hate crime” position stating, “It may have started out as a carjacking, but what it developed into was blacks hating whites.”[10] Christian’s father (addressing those who used his daughter’s death to suit their own agenda) appeared ambivalent, stating “[the crime] ain’t about you.”[11]
The case also attracted the attention of white supremacists. On May 27, 2007, around 30 white supremacists led by Alex Linder rallied in downtown Knoxville in protest of the murders. They were met by a larger number of counter-protestors, many dressed as clowns (parodying the Ku Klux Klan).[12]
***
next time take a minute
to actually read the article.
:|
September 16th, 2009 at 3:32 pmCan anyone explain the relevance of Beethoven’s contribution to the discussion?
Given that the crime to which the troll links was characterized repeatedly by law enforcement officials as having no evidence of any racial motivation, the only conclusion one can reach is that, like Limbaugh, our trollish friend see race as the determining factor in judging people.
September 16th, 2009 at 3:34 pmJust who is it that buys adjustable beds?
September 16th, 2009 at 3:35 pmChristian’s father (addressing those who used his daughter’s death to suit their own agenda) appeared ambivalent, stating “[the crime] ain’t about you.”[11]
Thanks, joe.
Hey BeethovenRules… you may wanna talk to mary jane. She’s gets petty peeved when dead people are used for political purposes…
September 16th, 2009 at 3:36 pmLimbaugh, like his BFF Beck, are both hate crimes on two legs.
September 16th, 2009 at 3:37 pmjoe cantwell, do you think that would count as a self-pwn for Beethoven Rules?
September 16th, 2009 at 3:37 pmalthough mary jane seemed a little unsure how her outrage was related to the Schiavo matter….
September 16th, 2009 at 3:37 pm***
ot,
damn activist judges!
:)
September 16th, 2009 at 3:38 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Hi STORM
September 16th, 2009 at 3:39 pm***
#141,
i believe so ralph.
kind of like the time his mom
caught him pulling his pud.
*
last week.
:0
September 16th, 2009 at 3:39 pmNow we can treat Racism like gays.
—
September 16th, 2009 at 3:39 pmNo I will keep treating gays with respect and decency
Speaking of ACORN… did you guys see how stupid the undercover reporters got punk’d. But faux ran the lies anyway, of course.
What was particularly funny was that they were questioning ACORN’s vetting process while not using their own standard for their self.
September 16th, 2009 at 3:41 pmDo you not believe the study?
September 16th, 2009 at 3:42 pmCouldn’t tell ya. I would have had to open it. How can I know it would be safe to do so when it was posted by a proven pretender whose only goal is the attainment of negative attention?
September 16th, 2009 at 3:44 pm***
#144,
another conservo-tard who saw the
headline but didn’t read the article.
:)
September 16th, 2009 at 3:45 pmWhat lies?
September 16th, 2009 at 3:46 pmO/T sorry…
September 16th, 2009 at 3:46 pmHey STORM!
Did you have an answer for my questions about your Van Jones nonsense on the Lamar Alexander thread?
Thanks.
I try to make this point that we see incidents differently based on the race of the victim.
Here’s the ‘Don’t tase me, Bro’ video. It’s only 3 minutes, check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE
I don’t think anyone really considered this police brutality or racism. I think the victim of the tase became more the brunt of jokes.
(I personally feel the victim is mainly responsible because he resisted the authorities)
But, consider the circumstances. The victim of the tase is a white man. The lead officer is a black man. You could argue the tase was unnecessary.
Watch the video and consider if you would feel different about it, if the victim was a black man and the lead officer was a white man.
September 16th, 2009 at 3:48 pm***
#154,
fart.
:(
September 16th, 2009 at 3:50 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Watch the video and consider if you would feel different about it, if the victim was a black man and the lead officer was a white man.
Well, as I’ve said before if a prosecutor agrees with you and files hate crime charges and a jury agrees with you and convicts on them then it is a hate crime.
Ask yourself what’s so hard about leaving matters of criminal law up to the criminal court system?
September 16th, 2009 at 3:51 pmUh, actually that’s not what she found at all. That’s the provocative question on the cover of Newsweek, but if you actually read the article, she did not find that racism was “natural,” but that parents didn’t want to talk to children about race, even when they said they would, and that as a result the children were free to pick up common societal racism.
September 16th, 2009 at 3:54 pmChildren’s Research Lab at the University of Texas did a study on White couples with childern 5 – 7 years old and determined that racism is natural.
Did you read it? Identifying with your own grouping is natural and innate- no matter what the grouping (see T-shirt color study)
If parents started grouping kids by eye color then THAT would be the grouping that children identified with… it is our obsession with skin color as parents that does this, it is not innate.
When parents spoke openly about how skin color didn’t matter and how all were equal children stopped using it as a grouping… does someone need to have this conversation with you and Rush?
September 16th, 2009 at 3:55 pm“University of Texas”
you mean the same “University of Texas” that hired disgraceds former attorney general albie gonzalez?
nuf’ said.
September 16th, 2009 at 3:55 pmAh, I see we’ve reached the imaginative analogy portion of the b-cup program.
Always a favorite.
“What if?” is to b-cup what the slider was to Steve Carlton. It’s his “out pitch”
September 16th, 2009 at 3:56 pmbelaccifer lacca.
you make a good point if you believe public opinion has no influence.
But, it does.
We have a social prejudice that if a non-minority commits a crime with a minority victim, it’s motivation was racial.
Conversely, if a minority commits a crime with a non-minority victim, we are reluctant to consider the motivation racial.
That societal prejudice influences our adjudications.
September 16th, 2009 at 3:57 pmI though every buss had “bus bullies” to help arrange seating for the comfort and safety of the students…..I happened to meet a friend of mine who used to ride the bus with me years and years ago….said he just happened to run across one of the buss bullies from the old days a few weeks back and guessed he would be just fine in a month or two. Those were the days…….
September 16th, 2009 at 3:57 pmhey stormy,
slip into your “van jones” screen name. that’s always a hoot, beyotch.
September 16th, 2009 at 3:58 pm***
#156.
“I’ll bring some of here.”
*
is stupidity “natural”?
“|
September 16th, 2009 at 3:58 pmWow. That’s two self-pwns on one thread! First Beethoven Rules and now Stormy.
Gotta be some kind of record.
September 16th, 2009 at 3:58 pmChildren’s Research Lab at the University of Texas did a study on White couples with childern 5 – 7 years old and determined that racism is natural.
So Storm’s now convinced, because of a single scientific study? I guess when it confirms your beliefs. Now about the consensus on global warming…
September 16th, 2009 at 3:59 pmNo. UT did not hire that man. That would be Texas Tech.
They’re as different as Michigan and Auburn, UCLA and South Carolina, Washington and Utah.
September 16th, 2009 at 4:00 pmmj TRAITOR says:
September 16th, 2009 at 4:00 pmi lap limpball’s sweaty sack
Did you see this video of black students beating up a white kid on a school bus while the kids cheer it on and the bus driver does nothing?
September 16th, 2009 at 4:01 pmWe have a social prejudice that if a non-minority commits a crime with a minority victim, it’s motivation was racial.
Really?
How about the thousands of bar fights, robberies, car thefts committed by whites against minorities that are not considered hate crimes?
Because the motivation was not perceived racial or ethnic differences?
September 16th, 2009 at 4:01 pmwhat’s the matter STORMfront, slow day over at free repukelic?
September 16th, 2009 at 4:02 pmAnd that’s why I don’t live in Columbus, OH.
September 16th, 2009 at 4:02 pmFrom the comment section:
Ok limpydic?
September 16th, 2009 at 4:03 pmWow. Storm is all caught up with … Monday.
It’s OK, Stormy. We’ll wait.
… actually, no we won’t. I was just kidding.
September 16th, 2009 at 4:03 pmThanks Rush, for encouraging this kind of behavior.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/20940073/detail.html
Fomenting hate crimes is how you will be remembered. What a skunk you are.
September 16th, 2009 at 4:05 pmFrom Drippy’s link:
A student on a Belleville West High School bus was beaten for his choice of seat, not because he was white, according to a witness and police.
“The incident appears now to be more about a couple of bullies on a bus dictating where people sit,” said Belleville Police Capt. Don Sax, who originally said Monday’s attack may have been racially motivated.
So Stormy, are you afraid of blacks?
September 16th, 2009 at 4:05 pmDid you see this video of black students beating up a white kid on a school bus while the kids cheer it on and the bus driver does nothing?
A black student. Not black students…
Some kids cheer it on. Kids of all races.
Some kids look horrified. Kids of all races.
You guys are weak and pathetic.
September 16th, 2009 at 4:05 pmpoor STORMfront, the “repressed white man” boo-hoo
September 16th, 2009 at 4:05 pm#165,
24ahead.com?
now there’s a source for ya!
*
it’s a birther site.
:)
September 16th, 2009 at 4:05 pmjoe@181,
that’s because all wingnuts love oily taint!
;~
September 16th, 2009 at 4:07 pm****
#158,
get ‘em jaimy!
:)
September 16th, 2009 at 4:09 pm# 181,
******
&*&^&*
Check this Source
*****(#(**(
^&^&$*#$O
Its a Truther Site
******
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September 16th, 2009 at 4:13 pmbelaccifer lacca.
Not only a prejudice that the motivation was racial, but a prejudice to rush to judge in favor of the minority victim:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Duke_University_lacrosse_case
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Brawley_rape_allegations
We’ve got racism in America. White people do not have a monopoly on it. And as much as we have to stay vigilant to stop racism, we have a responsibility to ensure the rules the govern us are applied universally.
September 16th, 2009 at 4:21 pmWhite people do not have a monopoly on it. And as much as we have to stay vigilant to stop racism, we have a responsibility to ensure the rules the govern us are applied universally.
I agree… but you know that the charges were dropped in the Duke case, right?
And damages awarded in the Tawana Brawley case?
The system was applied universally and worked…
September 16th, 2009 at 4:27 pm***
“truthers”?
never heard of them.
*
did they have a march too?
?
nice pic, eh?
:)
September 16th, 2009 at 4:28 pmI see our resident racist concern troll is back up with a vengeance.
September 16th, 2009 at 4:29 pmPlease do not feed the troll or he will make the rest of this thread all about him.
***
#185
belaccifer lacca,
do not engage this assho|e or you
will regret it for the rest of your life.
*
September 16th, 2009 at 4:31 pmhttp://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/32877724/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/
September 16th, 2009 at 4:31 pmI just flagged #94 by mj secessionist for abusive and obscene language.
September 16th, 2009 at 4:32 pmoops
that doesn’t belong there…
hello… good bye.
September 16th, 2009 at 4:34 pm***
#188,
reg,
patrick swayze, who brought joy, laughter
and entertainment to millions of movie fans
has passed on. backup, a frothing urine tank
of benightedness and racism, lives on.
*
life is not fair.
:(
September 16th, 2009 at 4:37 pm#188 and #189…
Thanks guys. I appreciate the work you do and the concern you are showing for me but, ya know, I’m a grown up and backup is posting on-topic here…
and I personally come here for discussion with people like backup and others… because hearing and debating their arguments on line helps sharpen my arguments in the real world.
So again, I appreciate your work and everything but I’m old enough to look out for myself… especially online, thank you.
September 16th, 2009 at 4:38 pm***
ot,
reg, ralph, jaimy, bo, belaccifer, et al.
you have got to read this article ;
Meet the man who changed Glenn Beck’s life
By Alexander Zaitchik
**
it is outstanding!
:)
September 16th, 2009 at 4:41 pmbelaccifer lacca. I think I agree with you for the most part.
I think public sentiment can affect our leaders. I think that we have a long history of minorities not getting equal or just treatment.
I think that history leaves us with a propensity to favor the minority claim. That is much better than what we have had.
The world should really be equal. Minorities and Non-minorities equal in every way.
When we see racist views against any one, we should work to stop it. Universally.
We should also be vigilant to ensure that people aren’t falsely accused of racism.
September 16th, 2009 at 4:42 pmI read that this morning, Joe.
Those Mormon historians are something…
September 16th, 2009 at 4:42 pmstorm system looking unstable.
barometer falling rapidly, winds increasing from the S-SE,
…could be some precip in the mix.
September 16th, 2009 at 4:43 pm#194
September 16th, 2009 at 4:46 pm. Yesterday he posted a link to a thread from last February and started to make the same tired arguments he did 7 months ago. He will never ever give an inch when he gets into troll mode.
I thought the purpose of this blog was to provide a forum for sincere honest intelligent debate.
#194,
i’ve heard this before.
it is not a debate or an argument.
it is a siren song.
you are about to be pulled
into the rocks of backup’s ennui.
*
may god have mercy on your soul.
:|
en?nui??[ahn-wee, ahn-wee; Fr. ahn-nwee]
–noun
a feeling of utter weariness and discontent resulting from satiety or lack of interest; boredom: The endless lecture produced an unbearable ennui.
:(
September 16th, 2009 at 4:46 pmJust this week, newspaper columnist Leonard Pitts wrote a piece condemning a real hate crime of blacks against a white man. They beat the poor guy to a pulp for dating a black women. He got severe injuries from the attack that will be with him for his entire life. It was a mirror-image of the types of hate crimes in the old South.
Pitts is an African American and a liberal, but took the time to write about a hate crime committed by people of his own race. The chances that you’d ever catch Limbaugh doing the same are slim to none. Limbaugh gets his ratings by inflaming the resentments of whites toward minorities on a daily basis.
September 16th, 2009 at 4:51 pmLimbaugh is a big fat liar. Literally.
September 16th, 2009 at 4:53 pmI thought the purpose of this blog was to provide a forum for sincere honest intelligent debate.
Yeah- then call him on it.
Or ignore him.
But if I choose to engage him please don’t scold me, alright?
That’s all I’m sayin’…
September 16th, 2009 at 4:53 pmyou are about to be pulled
into the rocks of backup’s ennui.
I doubt it.
;-)
September 16th, 2009 at 4:56 pm***
#204,
thus spake circe and
ulysses was warned.
:\
September 16th, 2009 at 5:01 pmbelaccifer lacca. you’re cool. We can disagree. I respect that you understand that even if I’m saying something that you disagree with, you can use the exchange to better address others with similar sentiment that you meet outside the blog.
Believe it or not, I do the same thing.
Although I do not agree with all progressive views, I feel more informed when I run into either conservatives that don’t understand progressive positions or progressives that don’t understand conservative views.
And I have personally benefited on the several issues that progressives here have change my mind on issues. (and improving my vocabulary; I did not know what ennui meant).
I appreciate your willingness to engage me and hope for understanding from those that preferred I not participate.
September 16th, 2009 at 5:02 pmulysses heard the sirens out.
But he didn’t wreck himself cause he was tied to that mast… kinda like I’m prevented from actually meeting backup and doing harm to either him or myself by Comcast and this series o’ tubes…
Okay?
September 16th, 2009 at 5:04 pmstewarjt says:
If TP’s goal is to engender hatred of Limbaugh, they’ve succeeded.
Good.
.
backup says:
I think the point that Limbaugh is trying to make is: Why do we only consider hate crimes (based on race) when the victims are minorities?
The qualification is whether or not race or any similar difference was a factor in causing the crime. Not which race the person was.
The selectively ignorant ask that question because they are more concerned with maintaining white priviledge than in actually enforcing laws reasonably.
.
backup says:
If a gang of roving white teens beat up a minority family, I believe that our society would come to a quick conclusion that the attack happened because race was a motivating factor. And determine it is a hate crime.
Bold added for emphasis. Your statement says more about you than it does about the application of hate crime legislation.
September 16th, 2009 at 5:06 pmStorm you are so hypocritical about this. You want to excuse racism by suggesting that the study suggests it is when what actually is innate is when we identify with the people who are most similar to us. Yet when it comes to homosexuality, people on your side of the political spectrum want to legislate misery into the lives of the LGBT community.
September 16th, 2009 at 5:06 pmAlso, Jason outfoxed them sirens by having Orpheus out play them… that’s another way to go.
One I prefer to stuffing my ears with wax.
Just FYI
;)
September 16th, 2009 at 5:07 pmbackup says:
I think the point that Limbaugh is trying to make is: Why do we only consider hate crimes (based on race) when the victims are minorities?
again, look at the facts. Out of around 3,000 crimes classified as hate crimes, ~750 were considered anti-white. Limbaugh wants to suggest that this is welfare and special protection for minorities. He isn’t trying to be color-blind as you might naively believe. He is trying to stir up the pot of racial resentment in defense of white privilege. If he were sincere, he would inform his viewers that whites ARE protected while questioning the motives of the boys who beat up the victim as a hate crime or not. It’s fine that he wants to question the captain’s judgment that this is not a hate crime, but to link it to Obama and to inject dog-whistle racism in this conversation is not. I hope you will see the difference here.
September 16th, 2009 at 5:10 pmImpolitic. I respect Leonard Pitts for what he did. I agree with you that Limbaugh would never highlight a white crime against a minority.
If hate crimes are an important issue here, why you think the incident that you cite hasn’t been mentioned at ThinkProgress?
http://www.freep.com/article/20090915/OPINION03/909150399/1322/All-should-decry-hate-crime–no-matter-the-color
September 16th, 2009 at 5:13 pm***
#210,
they were clever but
i don’t think jason or ulysses
debated or argued with the sirens.
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September 16th, 2009 at 5:14 pm#213…
No, but Jason had Orpheus out play them… which is kinda the same thing, don’t you agree?
September 16th, 2009 at 5:16 pmPerhaps because “hate crimes” in and of themselves are not a particularly important issue at TP; right-wing bigotry and hypocrisy is.
TP focuses primarily on politics. It’s not a news site, nor is it a social justice site. Certainly, TP pays attention to and presents news, and it is concerned with social justice as part of a progressive agenda. But its primary focus is on the political elements of that progressive agenda.
If you’ll notice, b-cup, this article is keyed under “Radical Right Wing Agenda”.
make more sense now?
September 16th, 2009 at 5:21 pm***
#214,
so you’re going to “outplay” backup?
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:)
September 16th, 2009 at 5:26 pm#216… Heh.
September 16th, 2009 at 5:28 pmI always try to outplay everyone… that’s why I practice here so much.
Still trying to get to Carnegie Hall and everything…
September 16th, 2009 at 5:28 pmbackup says:
Impolitic. I respect Leonard Pitts for what he did.
Here’s Pitts’ article. I don’t think anybody would disagree with him. But of course that’s almost always the case for me.
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backup says:
If hate crimes are an important issue here, why you think the incident that you cite hasn’t been mentioned at ThinkProgress?
Allow me to explain this for the ZILLIONTH time. TP is not a comprehensive news site. If you scan the threads on the home page, you will see that TP is a politically slanted site that primarily highlights stories which paint the right wing in a negative light. That is its niche.
TP is not the AP. It is not CNN. It is a George Soros funded site that focuses on exposing the evils and hypocrisy perpetuated by the right wing. There are plenty of other websites on the internet available to you which do news items from other perspectives and which have more neutral journalistic guidelines for article selection.
In this case, the story is that Rush Limbaugh is drawing a nonexistent connection between the election of President Obama and an isolated incident of a kid getting beaten up on a school bus, which may not even be a hate crime.
September 16th, 2009 at 5:38 pmralph. It sounds like you’re saying that hate crimes against minorities are relevant, because they indicate right-wing bigotry and hypocrisy. And that hate crimes against non-minorities aren’t relevant, because they don’t substantiate that notion.
Is that right?
September 16th, 2009 at 5:43 pmI get it and that’s honest, but how is it that different from what Limbaugh is doing?
He’s taking an incident (hate crime) and trying to use it to indict the left wing. He doesn’t really care about hate crimes, he cares about the left looking bad.
Call me naive, but wouldn’t real progress be fighting all hate crime? Not just the hate crime that’s politically expedient?
September 16th, 2009 at 5:51 pmno he’s just saying that TP is not a hate-crimes monitoring website like the SPLC. TP has always posted news about right-wing hypocrisy and that is the object of the post here.
September 16th, 2009 at 5:54 pmbackup, there is a difference between you and Rush limbaugh. You are interested in fairness when it comes to hate crimes legislation. Rush is interested in using it as a political tool to stir up resentment against the president by playing the race card.
September 16th, 2009 at 5:55 pmUSCKitty. You’re right about Limbaugh.
I’ve also gone back and looked at the hate crime stats that you mentioned (I think credit to toasterhead). Although the percentages are much lower, they do show that anti-white hate crimes are recorded.
September 16th, 2009 at 5:58 pmWTF? I mean, according to Limbaugh the ONLY reason here HAS to be because the black kids hated the white kid only because he was white and therefore this HAS to be a hate crime?
Is is not possible that the white kid was being beat up because he was a dick? Or because the black kids are simple thugs?
September 16th, 2009 at 6:10 pmGee… b-cup. this straw man is a little thin. Not a good harvest of hay this year, or what?
September 16th, 2009 at 6:22 pmIf you even have to ask, that tells me it would take far too much effort to make it worth explaining to you.
Well, that and experience tells me.
September 16th, 2009 at 6:24 pmHate crime legislation is BS.
September 16th, 2009 at 7:09 pmconservative guy, aren’t you worried that your supervisors at Troll Central might occasionally check up on your work? They might not like it when they see you phoning it in like this.
September 16th, 2009 at 7:17 pmThe Limbaugh/O’Rielly test is a method of psychological evaluation in which subjects’ perceptions of Truth and Facts are recorded and then analyzed using, depending on the psychologist, intuitive insight, complex scientifically derived algorithms, or both. Some psychologists use this test to try to examine the personality characteristics and emotional functioning of their patients. It has been employed in diagnosing underlying thought disorder and differentiating psychotic from nonpsychotic thinking in cases where the patient is reluctant to admit openly to psychotic thinking.
How the Limbaugh/O’Rielly test works;
September 16th, 2009 at 7:45 pmPatients are subjected to watching Bill O’Rielly and Rush Limbaugh on Fox news and if they don’t throw up or turn away in complete disgust after 5 minutes, they are tested further for acute Bigotry, Denial (failure to understand and or accept facts) and Spoiled Bratism (extreme self centeredness). This test is 100% successful as anyone watching more that 5 minutes of watching Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’ Reilly are proven to be ‘sick bastards’. Without medical and psychological help this contagious disease leads to another crippling illness know as Right Wingnutism. Here it spreads easily to the public especially susceptible to the Republican Party.
poor old cg,
doesn’t have the vim and vigor he once did.
try some of that 5-hour energy?
or maybe you’ll get real lucky and jane fonda will appear in the news, that get the old bile dict lubed up again, huh?
September 16th, 2009 at 7:48 pmHi conservative guy?
September 16th, 2009 at 7:58 pmCome on buddy. Let’s talk…
backup says:
ralph. It sounds like you’re saying that hate crimes against minorities are relevant, because they indicate right-wing bigotry and hypocrisy.
No, it’s the response of right-wing pundits and politicians to the hate crimes that’s relevant. Actual hate crimes against non-minorities are unlikely to be relevant, because it’s unlikely that right-wing pundits and politicians would misrepresent them.
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backup says:
I get it and that’s honest, but how is it that different from what Limbaugh is doing?
He’s taking an incident (hate crime) and trying to use it to indict the left wing. He doesn’t really care about hate crimes, he cares about the left looking bad.
I would like to reiterate that it has not been established that this is a hate crime. And yet he is saying that it is.
In addition, he is claiming that the crime is caused by Obama’s presidency.
We have sometimes claimed here that right-wing (pundit/politician) rhetoric is a causal factor in hate crimes against minorities. It is much easier to make that argument, since right-wing rhetoric actually vilifies minorities and suggests that they are subhuman and undeserving of rights. There are no similar claims against whites, males and/or heterosexuals coming from left-wing (pundit/politician) rhetoric.
If you feel that Rush is justified, then please explain in your own words how this event – assuming it even is a hate crime – in any way indicts the left wing of anything at all.
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backup, I’m not saying there are no hate crimes commited against whites, males, and/or heterosexuals. I’m not saying that those should not be as thoroughly investigated and prosecuted as any others.
I am however denying that there is an equal playing field in America, which is what you seem to be assuming.
September 16th, 2009 at 8:19 pmI never thought I’d be able to write something too vile about Pudge Limpdiddler, but a comment I submitted earlier ended up in moderation. I haven’t figured out if it was because I applied the nickname “Lumpy” to him or if it was something else. I only used one four letter epithet and that was a synonym for shit that gets thrown around all the time. I suppose I should go look at the site rules of the road sometime. Dang. In the meantime,
@ 234. elbruce to backup … backup, I’m not saying there are no hate crimes commited against whites, males, and/or heterosexuals. I’m not saying that those should not be as thoroughly investigated and prosecuted as any others.
I am however denying that there is an equal playing field in America, which is what you seem to be assuming.
September 16th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
I concur very strongly on that, elbruce. I would add, for backup’s benefit, that we have, in our great nation, a long history of treating hate crimes against whites, white males, and white male heterosexuals, with the full force of the law, while women and minority class citizens get to suck hind tit, if they receive justice or fairness at all. That’s without getting into the injustices perpetrated in some regions, the most well documented of which were in the old Confederate South, against African-American citizens, too many of whom were lynched or otherwise brutally murdered for no reason other than being alive and black.
September 17th, 2009 at 12:51 amLimbaugh is a hate monger.
However according to media matters it looks like he never said said that James Earl Ray deserved the Medal of Honor.
http://mediamatters.org/search/index?qstring=limbaugh+medal+ray&from=&to=&tags=&tags=&tags=&tags=
September 17th, 2009 at 1:18 pmall crime has some kind of hate involved
September 17th, 2009 at 4:37 pmConservaTROLL
YOU are a punkass troll and a putrid pile of dogshit
September 18th, 2009 at 4:21 amRush Limbaugh is wrong on this issue.
September 20th, 2009 at 2:06 amThank you for your sharing.!
September 23rd, 2009 at 5:55 amIt is also more than obvious that liberals would be screaming to the heavens that a seemingly unprovoked attack on a black kid by white kids is a hate crime. estetik ameliyatlar
September 23rd, 2009 at 10:16 am