FCC Commissioners Respond To Right-Wing Attacks On Lloyd: ‘He’s Not Working On Fairness Doctrine Issues’
FCC Commissioners Respond To Right-Wing Attacks On Lloyd: ‘He’s Not Working On Fairness Doctrine Issues’
One of the far right’s newest targets is Mark Lloyd, the Associate General Counsel and Chief Diversity Officer at the FCC, who has previously served as a Senior Fellow at the Center for American Progress. Michael Savage has called Lloyd a “neo-Nazi” and “piece of garbage,” adding that Lloyd’s title is “code word for the KGB.” Glenn Beck has dubbed him Obama’s “diversity czar” who wants to “clamp down on my freedom of speech.” At issue is a CAP/Free Press report Lloyd co-authored in 2007 called “The Structural Imbalance of Political Talk Radio,” which argues for more localism and diversity in the media.
At yesterday’s House Energy and Commerce subcommittee hearing on FCC oversight, Rep. Greg Walden (R-OR) decided to carry the right wing’s water, objecting to the “strongly opinionated” Lloyd:
The information from Mr. Lloyd would indicate he’s not for putting Fairness Doctrine back in, he’s just for a whole different scheme that gets to the same outcome. I hope we don’t have a government speech czar in place that’s going to drive a whole different mechanism through the rule-making and challenging the licensees.
FCC Chairman Genachowski strongly defended Lloyd, unequivocally stating that the commission will not “engage in any censorship of broadcasters or anyone in the media on the basis of political views and opinions.” He also underscored the importance of promoting media diversity:
Diversity is another area where for a very long time there has been — I think there still is — a bipartisan consensus that it is an important objective of the communications policy in the FCC. The diversity goals are mentioned in hundreds of FCC decisions, they’re explicitly mentioned in the communications act, the Supreme Court has acknowledged it’s a role, and the idea of having diversity as an objective of the FCC and having staff focused on it seems to be a natural extension. [...]
He’s not working on Fairness Doctrine issues, he’s not working on censorship issues, he’s not working on these issues. He’s working on opportunity issues, primarily now around broadband adoption, focusing on making sure that broadband is available to all Americans.
FCC Commissioner Michael Copps stressed that Lloyd is highly respected in the communications community and was instrumental in facilitating the DTV transition by reading out to non-traditional stakeholders. “[W]e want a place of intellectual firmament and different ideas” at the FCC, but “we rely on the judgment of the organization and the people at the top of the organization to make intelligent decisions about where we’re going,” said Copps. “As for the personal characteristics of this particular individual, I think they are of the highest, and I, for one, am pleased he’s at the FCC.” Watch it:
So basically, the right wing — following the lead of Rush Limbaugh and Beck — is distorting a report on media diversity to fear-monger about a doctrine that few support and attack a man who will have nothing to do with implementing policy at the FCC.
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September 18th, 2009 at 2:36 pmThe liberals are indeed for free speech. This whole concocted “controversy” is outrageous. No conservative has ever been in the squishy hands of lib media censorship. Get the drift I’m setting myself up for victimhood?“Help! Help! I am being oppressed”
Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
September 18th, 2009 at 2:37 pm“diversity czar” who wants to “clamp down on my freedom of speech.”
Consider this:
http://www.americablog.com/200…..n-gop.html
If that’s what he wants to clamp down on, I’m for it.
September 18th, 2009 at 2:39 pmThis is almost fun. To get any wingnut ramped up to full screech mode, all you have to do is whisper “Fairness Doctrine”. Even when the phrase is totally irrelevant to the situation.
September 18th, 2009 at 2:40 pmWhoa! Another imagined ‘attack on Freedumbs!’
It’s like they have no concept of reality at all… in fact, that’s exactly what it’s like.
September 18th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
September 18th, 2009 at 2:42 pmWe already have diversity of stupidity and blathering. Diversity on more sane ground is unnecessary. I hope you can read me clearly. If I were in cooba my post would be censored.The facts don’t matter. They just get in the way of a good lynching. Lynchings help us “bond” together.
Not to mention, why would Rush worry about a “Fairness” Doctrine ? After all, doesn’t he say he is fair ?
September 18th, 2009 at 2:42 pm…the Rushpubics have nothing.
So…they attack everything.
Party of No Nothing.
September 18th, 2009 at 2:43 pmI’ll be honest, if the fairness doctrine entails stuffing a sock in Rush’s mouth, I’m all for it.
September 18th, 2009 at 2:46 pm****
limbaugh follows up on his “segregated buses” comment.
from c&l:
Limbaugh also suggested that racism itself was acceptable.
“If homosexuality being inborn is what makes it acceptable, why does racism being inborn not make racism acceptable?” the talk show host asked. “I’m sorry — I mean, this is the way my mind works. But apparently now we don’t choose racism, we just are racists. We are born that way. We don’t choose it. So shouldn’t it be acceptable, excuse — this is according to the way the left thinks about things.”
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September 18th, 2009 at 2:46 pmHe said, “I had not planed to get into this issue today”. When in fact he did research and prepared for it. Sure, we believe you didn’t want to get into to it today.
Then he reads Marks paper, “Commercial broadcasters want to be trustees of public property, but not have the responsibilities.” He is deeply affended by this. Deeply affended commercial interest might have responsibilities. Go figure.
September 18th, 2009 at 2:46 pmhey freeman, here’s another one you didn’t see coming!
September 18th, 2009 at 2:48 pmGeorge says – Hehehe, catapulting the propaganda is what we need more of, lots of our talking points, because we are right and everyone one else is against us, because they’re not. Those damn libers think those so smart with their fancy facts and stuff, well, the American little people don’t need no damn facts, they need to be fed what we want them to think, and Rushblob and the Beckerhead are doing the nation a favor. Fox is mine and Dick’s favorite station, they keep repeating lies and voo-waaa-laa bam, they become truthiness. Our base has the IQ of a sheep and sheep need to be led, off a cliff, they would too. We can’t have anymore of those progressive talk shows on, no sir, they suck, just listen to that Stephany Miller and Randy Rhodes or yuk, that sick bastage Ed Shultz, makes me want to puke, with all their facts and crap, what do you think Dick?
Dick says – I need fresh blood from cute kittens and puppies.
September 18th, 2009 at 2:48 pmWaah!
If the playing field is level, we’ll never win again,
Waah!
September 18th, 2009 at 2:48 pmNot sure what is funnier here, the wingnut brigade accusing someone who wrote an article entitled “Forget the Fairness Doctrine” of trying to bring back the Fairness Doctrine or t rodeo clown Beck labelling an assistant general counsel a “czar”. Either that man is the most powerful assistant general counsel in history or the word “czar” does not mean what Beck thinks it means.
September 18th, 2009 at 2:49 pmjoe cantwell @ 10, Wow, they try to use science to prove that something that is not true is.
maybe rush can provide a real scientific study to back it up on racism. The other is covered.
September 18th, 2009 at 2:50 pmMichael Savage called someone else a neo-Nazi?
Excuse me while I look for my jaw, I think it rolled under my desk somewhere…
September 18th, 2009 at 2:50 pmDistortion is their GOD
September 18th, 2009 at 2:51 pmYeah, that’s what we need, nothing but ReichWing propaganda 24/7.
Then everyone can think like Glenn Beck and Rush…
…oops, my bad, I used “THINK” and Beck and Rush in the same sentence.
September 18th, 2009 at 2:52 pmI would love nothing better than to have a return to the Fairness Doctrine. Ronald Raygun (may he rot in hell) did this nation a huge disservice when he abandoned it. The only reason the Repignofascists are upset about its return is that it would require them to be a bit honest or have that honesty exposed immediately. Thats only fair and balanced as far as I’m concerned.
September 18th, 2009 at 2:53 pmTell ya what, let’s go ahead and reinstitute the Fairness Doctrine, and settle for nothing less than single payer universal healthcarewhile we’re at it.
Dems have huge majorities right now! Shut down the WhiteWing spin machines! If not now, when? The answer is never.
PEACE
September 18th, 2009 at 2:53 pmI guess I’m one of the “few who support” a fairness doctorine.
September 18th, 2009 at 2:56 pmScreeching Halt.
What they couldnt get Huggy Bear and Ms Piggy into Lloyds office with a hidden camera?
September 18th, 2009 at 2:57 pmAnd miss the top of the park bench ranting drug induced insanity?
September 18th, 2009 at 2:58 pmIf we win healthcare then there’s nothing we can’t get done. The gop knows this and that is what they are afraid of.
Their problem is that they are just flat lazy and that’s why they have nothing but fear.
Where is thier health care proposal, even one that’s completely for insurance companies, where is it? Well, it’s the one we have right now.
September 18th, 2009 at 2:59 pmWhere are the democrats in all of this? Why aren’t they squelching these bugs?
September 18th, 2009 at 2:59 pmIt’s no different than any equal opportunity program.
If it levels the playing field I am for it. The people with a voice now do not want the playing field leveled.
These are the kind of things that they hate most in the world. Anything that takes away thier advantage.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:02 pmWhats really ironic about these scripted hissy fits and distortions of non-facts is that the Rodeo Clown and El Lush Blo dont want a fairness doctrine….
Huh, guess thats not so ironic after all.
My bad.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:03 pmpax says:
Where are the democrats in all of this? Why aren’t they squelching these bugs?
September 18th, 2009 at 3:04 pmWhere have you been?Michael Savage has called Lloyd a “neo-Nazi” and “piece of garbage,”
– - Wow, project much, Michael?
September 18th, 2009 at 3:04 pmThe definition of diversity:
Flush Dimbulbs diversity:
September 18th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Kids, this is your brain on Oxy.
[Cue photo of Rush on top of park bench ranting at passersby]
September 18th, 2009 at 3:12 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
blowhard, white supremicists like limbaugh and beck can’t get their head around diversity of speech and opinion because they have never stopped their loud screeching long enough to listen.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:15 pmNOOOOOOOO!!! They’ll take away our RAAAAADIO!!!!!!!
They’re so scared that they won’t be reassured all day by Minitrue.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:18 pmIf the voices stop, then maybe they’ll begin to doubt. Because there are whispers from outside, and doubts from inside. They must be washed away by the reassurance of the voices.
Yes, its why Limbaughs operation chaos was such a succes and his groupies won in 2006 and 2008
September 18th, 2009 at 3:19 pmBWHAHAHHAHAHHAAAA.
The disenfranchised sure are angry about winning.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:20 pmSo thats LemmingJobs secret to winning elections. I was wondering.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:21 pmOK, right wingers we got your message. You don’t want fairness. We look forward to your changing FOX News to the “Unfair and Unbalanced” outlet…Oh, wait, it would be fair to so label FOX News, so never mind.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:23 pmThats really weird, are you now saying no one listens to the liberal media? So why all the foaming lips, bugged out eyeballs, clawing at air, howling at la lune and gnashing of teeth?
September 18th, 2009 at 3:23 pmRich H says:
I guess I’m one of the “few who support” a fairness doctorine.
I don’t support the fairness doctrine because it infringes on the right of Rush, Beck, etc., to publicly make complete fools of themselves.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:26 pm“I hope we don’t have a government speech czar” Walden says.
So Public Policy Czar Karl Rove,
armed with a newly formed Department of Homeland Security,
censoring and editing our network news coverage in the U.S. after 9/11 and throughout the Bush administration is completely different?
How?
September 18th, 2009 at 3:26 pmHere you go rabid LimpDogs, have a dentabone.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:27 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Know what QueeffBleater, I am not for a fairness doctrine, I mean, I dont have anything against Oxy and Alcohol induced insanity. Im proud of the fact that in America not all derelicts are jobless.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:31 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Okay, lets play Army. I lay down and you blow me up.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:33 pmScrambling Roaches.
Great description of the GOP, armand.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:34 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
armand, beefeater, et al.
Given that the thrust of this thread is that there is NO effort to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine and no political will to make it happen if there WERE an effort, I have to ask…
Why do Rush, Beck, Levin et al. feel the need to keep mentioning the ‘threat’ the fairness doctrine poses?
Could it be that you guys have NOTHING?
‘Cause we really don’t need equal time to oppose you imagined threats… believe me.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:34 pmSince the first time I made Sinn Feck cry by taking away his Dr Jack Daniels and stole his GF Mary Jane.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:35 pmWell, I’m sorry, but I truly wish that the REAL Nazis had had a shot at the Savage Weiner…
And yes, that’s not progressive and no, it’s not nice. But I don’t care. I still wish it.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:35 pmHe/she who the RW targets will soon be thrown under a bus. Just watch.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:35 pmIf Jesus came back to Gaia he would proble smite Mush FlamJaw for his rants against diveristy.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:36 pmarmand says: You people need to learn how to shut up
Yessa, massa! I’s doin’ it. Jes’ don’ hits me wid dat Fairness Doctrine no more. I’m shuttin’ ups now, massa!
September 18th, 2009 at 3:37 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
This from a wheelchock
September 18th, 2009 at 3:39 pmWhich fairness doctrine is that?
September 18th, 2009 at 3:40 pmIt’s the liberals that are in trouble.
Okay… see you in 2010!
Why are you upset about the non-existent threat of ‘Fairness Doctrine’ reinstatement again?
Remind me?
You got nothin’ else?
Oh, okay- thought so.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:41 pmso,
September 18th, 2009 at 3:41 pmarmand, can you explain to the nice people what “public service” to the public at large does tub-o-lard limpballs provide for the nation? afterall, that is one of the pre-requisites for given the privledge of broadcasting on public airwaves.
Doesnt sound like a tyranny or dictatorship does it?
LOL
September 18th, 2009 at 3:41 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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All we need is one station, your own words, and the ear of the people. We don’t need much.
And NO ONE is threatening that… and yet you continue to pretend that it’s in dire danger… why?
Oh, got nothin’ else? Gotcha.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
September 18th, 2009 at 3:43 pmYou’reth I am the “Party of whine”. Boo Hooto you allFor us all. I really feel bad for you. -=Glenn Beck=-Sounds like democracy to me. Why do you hate it anyway?
September 18th, 2009 at 3:45 pmarman say:
“I really feel bad for you”.
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Wow.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:45 pmThat’s suprising.
I didn’t realize roaches or narcissists had feelings.
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You funny.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:46 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Im thinking maybe you could use a park bench, a public park and a few bottles of MD 20/20 so you can yell at people that arent paying you any attention.
Bye Bye WhoreManDo
September 18th, 2009 at 3:49 pmarmand says: You can’t even pass a bill when you have the “White House” the “Senate” and “The House”
Really? We’ve passed NO legislation? You might want to check on that. As for the healthcare reform bill, that’s not over (Limbaugh hasn’t sung yet). You guys can’t even debate this bill without lies, distortions, and fake outrage. You are afraid of a fair fight/debate.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:49 pm“The party of whine.”?
September 18th, 2009 at 3:49 pmlike all those whiny assed teabagging beyotches crying about president obama who soiled our nation’s capitol this past weekend?
Trajan, when are you ever going to learn to type? Its been years and nothings changed.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:50 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
aww, poor little armand, his party got it’s a$$ handed to it and now he has to come to progressive sites and whine about it
must be sad to be such a pansy little right wing whiner
September 18th, 2009 at 3:51 pmright wingers sure do whine a lot
what’s up with that?
September 18th, 2009 at 3:52 pmDoes the igmoe really think that his posts cant be read even when voted down?
September 18th, 2009 at 3:52 pmApparently, TP has a fairness doctrine – and armandnobrain couldn’t stand up to the debate in a fair environment. So sad, really.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:54 pmarmand,
September 18th, 2009 at 3:54 pmi thought you were leaving
buh-bye. don’t stop back again real soon.
Yeah.
Free speech is code for lying, to Republicans.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:54 pmarmand says:
Oh, one more thing. You people hurry up and vote my comments down, the free speach people that you are. You have to have such a thing on your site. I Love it.
What an ignorant person this armand is. You are FREE to go put COMMENTS on this site. This site allows for voting dumbass comments down. Go on any right wing site and say “Limbaugh is an idiot” an see what your version of free speech is.
“The Party of Whine”, I like it.
Sounds allot like you are describing the teabaggers.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:55 pmThe same little fountains that pee the same old yellow water.
So Sad,
September 18th, 2009 at 3:56 pmfree speech?
i don’t remember anyone ever being censored from posting on here based on a difference of opinion. unlike saaaaaaaayyyyy, freeperville, o’lielly’s site or angry trannie annie coulter’s site
September 18th, 2009 at 3:57 pmI’m sure you meant “speech.”
Didn’t anyone teach you what free speech is? I’ll tell you what it’s not: It’s not freedom from a group of individuals posting on a privately owned website voting down the posts of an abusive and off-topic commenter.
armand is just an idiot, guys. Flag and move on.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:58 pmno,smidget
September 18th, 2009 at 4:01 pmthe assclown literally means no one is interested in his “free speach” as parroted from the boo-hoo becky website.
If the FCC truly wanted to do something about the airwaves, they would ban the freecreditreport(dot)com commercials. Now that would get my attention.
September 18th, 2009 at 4:03 pmarmand, voting (including “down”) is also free speech. Just to be fair.
September 18th, 2009 at 4:03 pmarmband ran away
he’s a coward like that
typical right wing coward
September 18th, 2009 at 4:04 pmsmidget, I have to disagree. armand is not posting stuff worthy of being flagged. His posts are idiotic, illogical, and indefensible but they do advance the debate to a degree. Besides, it’s Friday and a little whack-a-troll is a nice way to end the work week.
September 18th, 2009 at 4:06 pmOT
The “God Father” of Neoconservatism, Irving Kristol has died.
Could he please take the rest of the neocons with him?
September 18th, 2009 at 4:10 pmarmand says:
You people need to learn how to shut up. Or at least you need to learn how to hide what you really are.
September 18th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
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Trying to silence us, eh?
Guess we know who the REAL enemies of free speech are.
September 18th, 2009 at 4:16 pmFred. You still out there?
Got some scoop on little aaronk.
September 18th, 2009 at 4:26 pmaaronk seems to have slizzered away. I think he will probably be back with a new name.
You can catch up on the latest here:
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/18/price-repeal-health-care/comment-page-3/#comment-5808957
around post #105
September 18th, 2009 at 4:33 pmKeep in mind that this report is an intellectual effort and the great majority of the Reich Wing will be left at the gate trying to understand it. The remaining few that attempt to understand it will have ADD issue that can’t be overcome and by page two the will be drooling and looking for the Pus Phlegm Ball pacifiers.
Meat heads: Dead from the neck up!
September 18th, 2009 at 4:34 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian
I think he’s borderline flag-able just for being offensively stupid.
But he’s certainly flag-able for being off-topic. The thread is about Lloyd, and he turned it into Fox taking down ACORN and Van Jones. Then he launched into an assault on the English language that should be criminal.
But that’s just my opinion, after all.
September 18th, 2009 at 4:39 pmFred,
http://www.myspace.com/klieweroptics
Check it out. I believe our little buddy may be Aaron K. Kliewer from Clearwater Florida. Seems I remember he said he was from Fla in a previous thread.
This clown would fit the profile, NRA, sells optics for guns (not eyeglasses,)immature little punk from the looks of his site…
Of course, there’s a chance I am full of shit and putting two and two together to make three.
September 18th, 2009 at 4:51 pmIt’s a violation of the terms of use or whatever they’ll called to post personal information here about other commenters. Or yourself, in theory.
September 18th, 2009 at 5:00 pmIt is very likely he already did, starting with comment 34 on this thread.
September 18th, 2009 at 5:01 pmIs it a violation to make wild ass guesses?
Guilty.
Trajan is a Latin Queen from New York who fancies himself a bad ass.
Nanlichi is a 230 pound ripped weight lifter with an IQ of 153 and the sex drive of a Bonobo chimpanzee.
September 18th, 2009 at 5:07 pmPassing wind? I’ve heard of breaking wind or passing gas so obviously armand is having a bit of trouble with his ESL class.
September 18th, 2009 at 5:20 pmbeefeater says:
You brainwashed morons are such predictable ignorant whiners. You worthless punkass troll. Just STFU until you can actually contribute to an adult conversation
September 18th, 2009 at 5:33 pmarmand says:
YOu are stupid Armand. I expect this from wingnuts. However many PEOPLE want to listen to progressives the majority of ADVERTISING which is what pays for the programs is corporate money and they have a reason to want to keep the corporate message conservative. They are much better served by the rightwing screechmonkeys telling the stupidest people on the planet like YOU what to think. This is why Jim Hightowers program which was HUGELY popular was cancelled by Disney. His numbers were impressive. Also why Donahue was taken off the air when he had the highest rated program on his network. We know you are stupid and just regurgitate the story line you were programmed with but you just embarass yourself with the ignorance you post
September 18th, 2009 at 5:37 pmarmand says:
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Xisithrus says:
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I dont have anything against Oxy and Alcohol induced insanity..
How long have you had this drug proble?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
How long have you been so monumentally stupid?
September 18th, 2009 at 5:40 pmWhat could be scarier than having a range of views heard over the airways rather than just right wing screeds?! Would Fox News viewership collapse overnight if the viewers found out how poor the reporting actually is?
September 18th, 2009 at 5:40 pmarmand says:
You wingnuts really are the stupidest people known to man. You have NO free speech rights to post on a private message board MORON. My GOD you are stupid. What is happening is direct democracy. You are posting such inane ignorant tripe it is getting sent to the sewer where it belongs your WWWWWWAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH about it is precious though. Cowboy up PUNK.
September 18th, 2009 at 5:43 pmMike Hunt says:
I would love nothing better than to have a return to the Fairness Doctrine. Ronald Raygun (may he rot in hell) did this nation a huge disservice when he abandoned it.
And how exactly would such a thing function now, with hundreds of cable TV channels available to the median consumer? Not to mention radio, print and the Internet. That may have only arguably made sense when there were only 3 TV channels available, but now it would be completely pointless.
Besides, it was always an ugly blight on the First Amendment to begin with.
The notion that the Left even wants the Fairness Doctrine is a myth to begin with. You’re playing right into their hands by supporting such a fantasy.
Now what we do need is enforcement of existing anti-trust legislation and existing FCC rules prohibiting single media conglomerates from owning all of the broadcast media options in any one area.
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armand says:
You people hurry up and vote my comments down
Troll makes reasonable suggestion; news at 11.
September 18th, 2009 at 5:57 pmElBruce says:
I dont care one way or another about the fairness doctrine but exactly HOW would mandating that both sides be heard on public issues and that people have a right to time to respond to a public attack be a blight on the first amendment. Since it doesnt stop the original person from saying whatever he wants it is just silly to say it is a first amendment issue. In fact the Supreme Court in the Red Lion decision said directly that there was NO first amendment issue in the fairness doctrine
September 18th, 2009 at 6:04 pmRep. Walden takes offense to a passage in a document written by Mr. Lloyd. I did a word search in the document given in the link (The Structural Imbalance of Politiitiitical Talk Radio) for the words, “Commercial broadcasters want to be trustees”, and it does not appear.
He also says it was written on July 24, 2007, but the linked document is dated June 21, 2007.
Is there another document published by the Center for American Progress written by Mr. Lloyd on July 24th?
September 18th, 2009 at 6:13 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
armand says:
You are FULL of it. They WANTED to listen to Jim Hightower. His ratings were HUGE and they canned him because he didnt toe the corporate line. They wanted to watch Donahue he had the highest ratings on his network and HE got canned because the CORPORATION didnt want his message. So you are just spewing what you were TOLD to believe about this even though the FACTS show otherwise. I dont care about the fairness docrtine. I am only saying there is NO first amendment issue PERIOD. Really this isnt even up for debate. The Supreme Court said so directly and it doesnt even make sense.
If the CONSERVATIVE message is so popular and the liberal message is so despised why did the left KICK rightwing butt two elections in a row? The fact is we are somewhat split in the middle with a majority leaning left/democratic. Yet the rightwing is WAY over represented in the media they dominate AM Hate radio. They get more representation even on CNN, and the other networks you cited. What we have is FAR right propaganda from Fox and AM Screechmonkey radio and virtually NO far left only somewhat middle left at ALL on the networks. CNN doesnt balance a Limbaugh that would take a Chomsky or a Zinn. How often do you see THEM in the media?
September 18th, 2009 at 6:37 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
armand says:
So at this point you are just a liar and a punkass troll or so incredibly stupid you have no capacity to address a point at all and can ONLY regurgitate what Rush TOLD you to think over and over. As I pointed out TWICE. Hightower had monster rating when he got fired because the corporation didnt like his message. Donahue had the highest ratings on his network when the same happened to him for the same reasons. It is tough to say the left cant field someone to get the rating when as soon as they DO they get fired by the corporations because they want a more corporate friendly voice instead. Feel free to say AGAIN that the left cant get someone to get the ratings it is a LIE but I do love to laugh at morons as stupid as you.
September 18th, 2009 at 6:46 pmarmand says:
Oh and you are just spouting the STUPID you were brainwashed with. The MONEY comes from corporate advertising NOT RATINGS. It isnt much of a suprise that they corporations prefer conservative voices pushing THEIR best interest. It is especially sweet for them when the demographic being exploited is gullible easily brainwashed morons like YOU
September 18th, 2009 at 6:48 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
My GOD you are stupid. You just say the same BS over and over ignoring the point. Then you say I need new material. You are STOOOOOPID Armand. The ratings do NOT pay the bills advertising does. Since corporations OWN the big media outlets and keep FIRING the guys like Hightower and Donahue who DO get big ratings BEFORE they can build an audience like Limbaugh who didnt start out with his monster ratings you have no point. Since you are too stupid to think for yourself you cannot address the point and just keep saying the same thing over and over even though I have refuted it three times. It really isnt my fault you are too stupid to understand plain English
September 18th, 2009 at 6:57 pmMore cut and paste Eugene. Your rhetoric and name calling never changes.
Whiner.
September 18th, 2009 at 6:59 pmarmand says:
Your STUPIDITY never changes PUNKASS TROLL. Nice touch snivelling like the punk you are about MY namecalling while engaging in your own typical massive stupidity from you. You also talk about me cutting and pasting while you say the exact same thing three times without even TRYING to address the point I made that refutes it. My GOD you are stupid. Do you do your typing while wearing a red rubber nose and size 18 shoes? I do love to laugh at morons as stupid as you.
Its ok though. We KNOW you are far too stupid to ever think for yourself so actually addressing a point has to wait till Rush TELLS you what to think about it. So just regurgitating what you were told to think is all you will EVER be able to accomplish
September 18th, 2009 at 7:03 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
fletc3her says:
Would Fox News viewership collapse overnight if the viewers found out how poor the reporting actually is?
No, because the people who watch Fox and listen the likes of Limbaugh are angry white people who seek out the kind of news commentary that correlates with their viewpoint. Any opposing viewpoint would cause these people to tune out because they don’t have the capacity to open themselves up to a different view. Most of them do not watch other news networks. If they discovered Fox is less than truthful, it would make no difference in their opinions. Anything that challenges their viewpoint is ignored. Angry people do not want logic but rather, they want to vent their anger.
September 18th, 2009 at 7:09 pmarmand says:
GOD you are pathetic. I refuted that point. You are so stupid and brainwashed all you can do is keep repeating what Rush told you to think. Addressing the refutation is far beyond you. You are stupid. Address Hightower and Donahue or you show that you are so stupid you are incapable of higher brain function. Just a propaganda parrot. SKWWWAAAAAAAKKKKKk get the ratings, SKKWWWAAAAAAAKKKKKKK ratings SKWWWAAAAKKKKKK what Rush said SKKWWWAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKK. You are embarassing yourself. You are stupid. If I were half as stupid or brainwashed as you I would immediatly commit supuku from sheer shame.
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armand says:
God you are pathetic. Did you think this was clever when you were in third grade and just never grew out of it since you are STILL as stupid as you were in third grade? You do see that others can READ the exhange and see I blew your stupid talking point out of the water and YOU were far too stupid to even TRY to address it dont you? Keep humiliating yourself. I love to laugh at morons as stupid as you
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armand says:
Oh my GOD your stupidity may be becoming terminal seek help FAST.
September 18th, 2009 at 7:16 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
armand says
Your stupidity never ceases to amaze me. The White House doesnt do legislation THAT would be congress. If you want to find the bills in Congress google them. You wont understand them as stupid as you are but at least you can find them
September 18th, 2009 at 7:23 pmHey Eugene (great song by Pink Martini btw), you seem to have hooked a persistent one. Keep reeling it in.
September 18th, 2009 at 7:27 pmarmand says:
BOO HOO Pags2. (crying fake Pelosi tears)
No one wants to listen to us. BOO HOO.
Thank you for that in depth discussion of my post.
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Yes Armand rhetoric is what the President does. It is why it is called the bully pulpit. He HAS a plan. To reform healthcare in certain ways but the white house doesnt do legislation. Refer to the constitution something else a brainwashed moron could never understand. Legislationi s what CONGRESS does. There is more than one way to enact the kind of reform that Obama means when he says his plan. See those of us capable of higher brain function understand this. Brainwashed morons like you dont understand ANYTHING which is why you just regurgitate Limborg talking points. That Pelosi tears thing for instance is a term DIRECTLY from Rush. My GOD you arent you embarassed to be used like a Chatty Kathy doll? Rush pulls your strings and you repeat his show on websites because you are ALWAYS going to be too stupid to think for yourself?
September 18th, 2009 at 7:35 pmlivelongandprosper says:
Live yes, persistant yes, but so stupid he is exceedingly boring. At this point my braincells are begging for the sweet release of a coma.
September 18th, 2009 at 7:36 pmpags2 says:
In depth discussion from ArMORON? HA, that is the funniest thing I have read all week. Notice how he didnt even TRY to address my points while regurgitating the Limborg talking point over and over. In depth discussion like higher brain function will always be beyond his wildest dreams
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armand says:
GOD you are stupid. I am sorry. I am just not able to dumb it down any further. Apparantly dumbing it down to the level a moron like you has any chance of understanding is beyond me. I guess you will just have to stay stuck in STUPID. That is where you live afterall.
September 18th, 2009 at 7:42 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
What was Bushs plan to invade Iraq again? I mean he made it clear he wanted to do it but what was his actual PLAN? I never saw it nor read it. Wait you mean the actual DETAILS of how to do it were left up to the Defense Dept and Pentagon? My GOD I guess that means he never had an actual plan? OR it means ArMORON is so stupid he cant even grasp the simplest concepts OR he is an ignorant punkass troll yanking our chains because THAT is the kind of putrid pile of dogshit he is.
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armand says:
It really isnt my fault you are too stupid to even recognize a point when one is made. I mean you are so brainwashed the only things you see are opportunities to regurgitate what Rush told you to think. The point I was referring to was Hightower and Donahue and how they refute the Rush programmed talking point you regurgitated three times. I also addressed your point about Obamas plan the fact you are too much of a moron to see it isnt my fault. Or the fact you are a LIAR who doesnt CARE about points and is determined to be an ignorant punkass troll isnt my fault either.
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Real 132 again ArMORON. You will still be too stupid to undersand it but it is there. We know this is what Rush told you to think so nothing else can penetrate your cinderblock head but the point is there. YOUR massive stupidity really isnt MY problem
September 18th, 2009 at 7:49 pmarmand says: 142
I DID ArMORON. Those who can read can see that. Just once again you were far too stupid to even recognize much less understand the point. You THINK you have a gotcha because that was what was programmed into you and you really are JUST THAT STUPID.
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armand says:
I DID ArMORON. You are just too stupid to communicate with. Find someone a whole lot smarter than you on the shortbus and get them to explain it to you. YOU are all dogshit and STUPIDITY.
September 18th, 2009 at 7:53 pmThe President has a PLAN not a BILL. Bills are what CONGRESS does. The Presidents plan is in broad concepts. How it is done specifically is Congress’ job. How astonishingly STUPID do you have to be to NOT understand this?
September 18th, 2009 at 7:55 pmArMORON Do you even get how bad you are embarassing yourself or do you ENJOY showing everyone just how stupid you are?
September 18th, 2009 at 7:56 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
There is something interesting going on here. Congressman Walden says when Mark Lloyd writes, “Commercial broadcasters want to be trustees of public property, but not have the responsibilities”, that he is “offended”. Note, he does not refute this statement. He does not assert that commercial radio is doing a good job as trustees of public property, he merely states his outrage, as a former small broadcaster, at the suggestion. He then attacks Mr. Lloyd as someone holding extremist views.
I don’t care how offended Representative Walden is. His outrage does not moot the question of whether existing commercial radio is fulfilling its responsibilities as a trustee of public property. He tries, through his outrage, to change the topic to Mr. Lloyd’s alleged ‘extremism’.
Mr. Walden’s problem is that he can only give examples of how ‘he’ was a good trustee; he can’t speak to the rest of commercial radio. Furthermore, his own stewardship of the public airways may indeed be not as exemplary as his outrage would suggest.
Commercial broadcasters are granted a monopoly to their broadcast frequency by the government. This monopoly has always been granted given the understanding that the broadcaster has both rights and responsibilities. It is perfectly appropriate for government to evaluate whether a broadcaster is fulfilling these responsibilities and revoke the licenses of those who are not.
Clearly, the spreading of blatant lies is not in the public’s interest. The stations that repeatedly broadcast lies are not fulfilling their responsibilities. This is the idea that has the Conservatives so worried. During the Bush Administration, the FCC had no interest in enforcing this basic principle because the Republican’s whole media strategy would be jeopardized. Now that the Obama Administration is in charge, the Conservatives are especially worried that the existing framework of the law will be used to quiet their media echo chamber.
September 18th, 2009 at 7:57 pmarmand says:
Please tell me you arent so stupid you think you stood up to ANYONE? You just spewed stupid for a dozen posts while I spanked you mercilessly. How did I cut and run when the THREE POSTS IN A ROW above you are all mine? When I finally get bored mopping the floor with you. It wont be a win that you are more stubborn with your stupidity than I am with taking you apart like a cheap watch. You are stupid ArMORON. Unbeleivably stupid. That is on full display. Anyone reading your posts will see that
September 18th, 2009 at 8:00 pmarmand says:
Your all mouth here.
Apparently you can get by Eugene’s methods of communication to see that he has in fact, handed you your ass.
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Your stupid is very strong ArMORON. I have made the points. You dont even TRY to address them. You just keep repeating the same stupid over and over like a retarded parrot. You are stupid. Extra stupid points for snivelling like the punk you are that I am insulting YOU while your insults are all over your posts. Your WWWWAAAAAAHHHHHHHH is especially amusing to me. If programming is all determined by ratings why did Donahue get fired while he had the HIGHEST RATED PROGRAM ON HIS NETWORK? See you are just so stupid you think if you repeat something enough it will magically become true. You think since the repitition works to brainwash YOUR feelbe mind it will work on us. We are not as stupid as you. Tile grout is not as stupid as you. The things I scrape off my shoe are not as stupid as you. Give it up. If you do not know that you are, well, YOU. Keep humiliating yourself. I love the free clown show
September 18th, 2009 at 8:13 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
armand, you are free to leave.
September 18th, 2009 at 8:15 pmHis plan is to ‘Stay The Course” and a “New Way Forward”
Heh
September 18th, 2009 at 8:16 pmarmand says
Oh my GOD ArMORON you really are so stupid and delusional you think you are holding your own here. You are being spanked without mercy. The floor is polished with your backside. You are a moron. You are stupid beyond human comprehension. Keep regurgitating word for word what Rush tells you to think like that Pelosi tears thing. To YOU it is clever. To us it shows how stupid, pathetic and brainwashed you are.
September 18th, 2009 at 8:16 pmWell we are even ArMORON because I am impressed with how monumentally stupid you are.
September 18th, 2009 at 8:17 pmXisithrus says:
Well I am not happy with his plan. It STARTED OUT half measures and got watered down from there. That doesnt mean he doesnt HAVE a plan. The plan SHOULD have been single payer from the beggining.
September 18th, 2009 at 8:19 pmArentman, what is Limbaughs solution to high health insurance costs?
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On the GOP scale of stupidity, with 1 being low and 10 being the maximum, their score is 12. They broke the scale a long time ago.
September 18th, 2009 at 8:21 pmWell I am not happy with his plan
I was being facetious and was hoping Armand would tell us what Dubbyahs ‘Stay the Course’ or ‘New Way Forward’ plan really was.
September 18th, 2009 at 8:21 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
He called up a woman he worked with and sexually harrassed her?
September 18th, 2009 at 8:23 pmStill impressively STUPID ArMORON. It says why RIGHT IN YOUR LINK
An internal study commissioned by NBC executives had expressed grave concerns that if war began, Donahue’s show would become “a home for the liberal antiwar agenda at the same time that our competitors are waving the flag at every opportunity.”
Still doesnt effect the FACT he had the highest rated show on MSNBC when he was shown the door. YOU kept saying it was all about ratings. I TOLD you it was the corporation didnt like the message. Your link showed I was right. Is there any end to the depths of your stupidity?
September 18th, 2009 at 8:25 pmSo the Whizzer of Odd is just a powerless little, urr, large man behind a curtain yanking your chains and levers? Millions a year and he has no plan like his operation chaos?
September 18th, 2009 at 8:26 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
By the size of it there is alot more than just a bill that he hasnt been able to pass.
Anyway, I though Lush RimJob was the force behind the gNOpee?
September 18th, 2009 at 8:28 pmBut fine, you admit Mush LintBall has no power.
So what is Steeles plan? Or Boehners plan?
September 18th, 2009 at 8:30 pmPeter C says:
Clearly, the spreading of blatant lies is not in the public’s interest. The stations that repeatedly broadcast lies are not fulfilling their responsibilities. This is the idea that has the Conservatives so worried. During the Bush Administration, the FCC had no interest in enforcing this basic principle because the Republican’s whole media strategy would be jeopardized. Now that the Obama Administration is in charge, the Conservatives are especially worried that the existing framework of the law will be used to quiet their media echo chamber.
The fairness doctrine is a straw man argument whereby the conservatives want to portray as a liberal plot to silence them. There is no truth to the claims that the Obama administration want to bring back the fairness doctrine. But it helps to talk about a nonexistent plot to raise campaign contributions and raise fear among their voter base. Without a liberal plot to point to, conservatives have to discuss the merits of any issue.
September 18th, 2009 at 8:30 pmI’m not surprised that you think that. It’s a liberal talking point and you do follow in lockstep with that dogma.
You keep thinking that. It’s a weakness you people here have.
It’s just fine by me.
September 18th, 2009 at 8:31 pmYou dont need me for that. If you dont care what does it matter what Donahue did, its a moot point from my POV.
September 18th, 2009 at 8:31 pmhttp://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/26/business/media/26PHIL.html?ex=1099195200&en=1229e072f5289851&ei=5070
Mr. Donahue’s show had been growing slightly over the past few months, and he was actually attracting more viewers than any other show on MSNBC, even the channel’s signature prime-time program “Hardball With Chris Matthews.”
September 18th, 2009 at 8:33 pmActually, no. I have heard many of his listeners crow about how Rush is the real leader of the U S A. As for the pinning of your tail on others, no. I have always maintained I am a moderate.
September 18th, 2009 at 8:34 pmHow do you, Armand, think we should lower health insurance costs?
September 18th, 2009 at 8:34 pmarmand says:
You people need to learn how to shut up. Or at least you need to learn how to hide what you really are.
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September 18th, 2009 at 8:35 pmThis is why you don’t get it. With us, what you see is what you get. Unlike rethuglicans, we don’t dress in pointywhite hoods and white robes.
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So what is Steeles plan? Or Boehners plan?
September 18th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
I dont think thinking for ones self is a weakness and please put down your water color set.
September 18th, 2009 at 8:38 pmThat is why people don’t want to listen to you on the radio. They don’t like what you are and don’t care for your message.
That is why you can’t compete in the market of ideas in this country.
September 18th, 2009 at 8:39 pmHe doesnt have any new ideas to put into a bill?
That doesnt mean he cant have ideas and relay them to since hes yapping on the sparkle box all the time.
He scared of Pelosi? And really Pelosi is not the arbiter of what gets to the floor and wnat doesnt. I call cop-out here.
September 18th, 2009 at 8:42 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
ArMORON repeats AGAIN that liberals cant compete. How stupid can he be. If we cant compete in the marketplace of ideas why did we KICK conservative BUTT in the last two elections? Obviously Hightower and Donahue WERE competing when they got fired because the CORPORATIONS didnt like their message. ArMORON cannot refute or get around these FACTS so he ignores them and repeats over and over and OVER again what Rush TOLD him to think.
September 18th, 2009 at 8:45 pmArMORON says
Dems, the party of whiners.
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Reps are the party of Racist MORONS
September 18th, 2009 at 8:46 pmI have never understood the infatuation with antique amplitude modulation and listen to some crowing cranium.
Ahh, more projectionism.
You just said people on the radio, like Flush Dimbulb dont need any ideas and are powerless.
September 18th, 2009 at 8:46 pmWhy should I listen to a powerless person on the radio? Your saying two things that are diametrically opposed.
September 18th, 2009 at 8:47 pmIf you think Pelosi would allow any bill written by the Republicans be heard on the Floor then you are pretty stupid or you haven’t been watching what is going on in Congress.
Spend some time watching CSPAN and learn something instead of trying such a weak argument with someone who knows better.
How many Republican healthcare bills have made it to the Floor for consideration?
How many of them have you read?
September 18th, 2009 at 8:48 pmXisithrus says: 88
Yeah but YOU dont need someone to tell you what to think an it is obvious ArMORON does
September 18th, 2009 at 8:49 pmHuh. I have never played the race card. Again, but down your Mr Potato set.
September 18th, 2009 at 8:51 pmI recall they said they had a plan, turns out it was just a talking point brochure. Remember that?
September 18th, 2009 at 8:52 pmI’m not saying anything except that if you could put someone on the radio that would get the same ratings and make money for the Broadcasters then they would have a voice.
So far you have tried and failed.
People don’t want to listen to you Liberal Progressives.
September 18th, 2009 at 8:52 pmHow can I read something that has never been put forward by the GOPers?
September 18th, 2009 at 8:53 pmarmand says:
Yes you HAVE said it over and over. You havent said anything else. That is because you are stupid and you are a LIAR. Address why Hightower and Donahue got fired with good and growing rating or admit you are a moron too stupid to say anything that Rush hasnt told you to think
September 18th, 2009 at 8:54 pmSo you don’t know how many. Interesting. I should listen to a person who doesn’t know what is going on.
September 18th, 2009 at 8:54 pmThose ratings did not win any elections. Broadcaster or pundits are not electable.
September 18th, 2009 at 8:55 pmI dont know why you listen to the powerless on the radio who are not in congress.
September 18th, 2009 at 8:56 pmI already typed that I knew of one plan they put forward, but it wasnt a plan when people finally got a look at it. And saying Pelosi is stopping a bill from getting to the floor is ludicrous.
September 18th, 2009 at 8:58 pmarmand says:
It seems to me that you already have an opposing voice in the free market of ideas.
Fox news, countered by MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, Newsweek,NY Times.
Rush Linbaugh, countered by Air America, PBS.
Seems fair to me.
I’ll grant that MSNBC is somewhat slanted, but not to the extent that FAUX Noise is.
None of the other ones are politically biased in the least. They practice actual journalism.
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armand says:
More cut and paste Eugene. Your rhetoric and name calling never changes.
Sure seems to be getting to you, though…
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armand says:
I couldn’t find a copy of the plan he announced on that date.
That’s because you didn’t read the rest of the speech. He was referring to the bill outlines passed by 4 out of 5 Congressional committees.
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armand says:
That is why you can’t compete in the market of ideas in this country.
I’ve got an election that says otherwise.
September 18th, 2009 at 8:59 pmI posted a link to Donahue which is more that you did.
Hightower had no ratings just mouth.
Put up or STFU.
Whiner.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:00 pmPlease put away your spirograph, your just going in circles here.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:02 pmSo ArMORON you are not only stupid beyond all belief you are a LIAR. I DID post a link which SHOWED Donahue had the highest ratings on MSNBC. I want to thank you. I sometimes think I have plumbed the depths of human stupidity it is good to know that it is truly a bottomless well. (With appologies to Stephen King)
September 18th, 2009 at 9:02 pmarmand says:
It’s all in the ratings pal.
FAUX News doesn’t do news, so comparing its ratings to that of news shows is meaningless. You might call what they do “news-entertainment” in much the same way that WWE now calls themselves “sports-entertainment” instead of a sport.
But what you seem to be claiming is that if something gets ratings, that means it’s true. I’m afraid I must inform you that truth doesn’t work that way. If you believe it does, then you’re frankly insane. The highest rated TV program was the “Survivor: Samoa” premiere, with 11.5 million viewers. Therefore, being stranded on a desert island is the best way to live your life! Off you go!
September 18th, 2009 at 9:03 pmOh and Hightower had good enough ratings that he had JUST been syndicated nationally when Disney fired him. You are a failure.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:04 pmThe worm turns. You people blew it by insulting the American People.
You have lost the independants and they are the ones who elect Presidents.
People have noticed the corruption in the new administration.
Remember Obama saying that we should judge him by the people he surrounds himself with. Well they have.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:05 pmWhat I gather from armand is that because you have no ideas and are powerless and not in congress you should get a radio show to spread your ideas because no one wants to listen to the powerless not in congress because this would make the polticians use the market of ideas to not put forward a bill with ideas because they are scared of Pelosi.
Amazing.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:06 pmPeople listened to liberal progressives enough to elect Obama and they DIDNT listen to conservatives enough that McCain got his butt kicked. You really are pathetic Armand
September 18th, 2009 at 9:06 pmWell that explains it. Disney had an image to protect.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:06 pmarmando,
Good job, let’s see 44 posts, 10 voted all the way down (closed) and 34 well on there way.
How’s that novel your working on coming?
September 18th, 2009 at 9:08 pmSpeaking of the FCC, it looks like they’re finally going to impose net neutrality. Thank God; we sure dodged a corporate bullet there.
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armand says:
The worm turns. You people blew it by insulting the American People.
Most people I know aren’t insulted at all. Except for having their intelligence insulted by the GOP.
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armand says:
You have lost the independants and they are the ones who elect Presidents.
Is that so?
September 18th, 2009 at 9:09 pmThey must not have been listening to the AM radio with those powerless bilge pumps with some ideas they dont talk about or they would have voted for McCaib/Palin.
Okay. Now we are getting somewhere, Ouroboros.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:09 pmIt’s a new day Eugene. How have you been making out lately?
Not so good I see. The people didn’t get what they wanted and it only took 7 months to realize it. Good luck next year pal. You keep up the rhetoric and dogma.
Whiner.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:09 pmOh, and when I said I was for the fairness doctorine, it was of what we went through with Clinton and Bush. Sure it’s fine now to regale in the sheer lunacy bantied about by the right, but it wasn’t so long ago a traitor to this country sent us to war – and little opposition was broadcast.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:09 pmarmand says:
What corruption? I mean we get this is what Rush TOLD you to think but you are a LIAR.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:10 pmAnd taking oxycontin till you go deaf will protect that image.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:12 pmIt’s a new day Eugene. How have you been making out lately?
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How have we been making out lately? The last two elections speak for themselves. Democrats STILL outpoll the GOP 44 to 40 so really ya got nothin. We will see in the next election till then WE WON. YOU got your butts kicked.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:12 pmRich, people are getting tired of that nonsense also. Everyone but you Liberals. Keep it up, I love to see you keeping this nonsense going.
Here are 3 big names calling for the invasion of Iraq.
Kennedy, Hillary and Nancy Pelosi. Of course you already know that don’t you.
You don’t! Why am I not surprised.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:13 pmIndependents listen to Am radydiddO because they elect presidents ergo they elected Bush and then they switched off the raydummyO and then elected Obama.
I surely am spinning on Bizarro world.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:14 pmI want you Progressives to keep up what you’re doing. I really do. You won and you’re still whining. Why is that?
BOO HOO
September 18th, 2009 at 9:15 pmA majority of Dems voted AGAINST the Iraqi war resolution. Bush LIED to take us to war. Shame on any of the Dems that gave Bush the dimmer the benifit of the doubt. The man lies like most people breathe
September 18th, 2009 at 9:16 pmarmand says:
It’s a new day Eugene.
Not for the GOP. They’re still in free-fall. The astroturf teabagger rallies going on now are no different from the Palin/McCain/Nuremburg rallies we saw last year. And all the while the Right’s polling numbers continue to dwindle. Y’all have been saying “we’re turning the corner” since the day after Obama was elected.
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armand says:
BOO HOO
I’m sorry, who was whining again…?
September 18th, 2009 at 9:17 pmArMORON says:
Well I want them to be ACTUALLY progressive but fine we are close enough on that. You LOST and you are still STUPID AND BRAINWASHED, why is THAT?
September 18th, 2009 at 9:17 pmarmand is the reincarnation of aaron. All opionion and no fact.
Just so you’ll recall. Bush, Cheney, Rice and Powell ALL LIED to Congress, the Senate and the American people. You can’t blame the people who voted if they were all given LIES to consider instead of the truth.
Idiot.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:18 pmLook a motorized goalpost mover.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:18 pmPlease put down the silly putty.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:20 pmIs it your intention to just see how stupid and pathetic you can possibly be ArMORON? Let me remind you of the first rule of holes. You have already been punked without pity tonight
September 18th, 2009 at 9:22 pmConservatard perception is just astounding. In whassisname’s mind, he’s like Errol Flynn holding off a crew of duelests all at once. In fact, he’s more like a boot-party victim curled into a fetal position (”ratings!”) while being mercilessly kicked to death.
Sometimes I think the trolls come here just because you can’t pay a dominatrix on food stamps.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:24 pmThe circuituos logic of armand is dizzying to say the least. I still have no idea what armands actual ideas are other than you need an outdated analog signal to get those ideas, which the AM pundits dont have, out there.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:28 pmThey were for a UN/US resolution to use force to find and shutdown a non-existent nuclear/WMD program. Also, that resolution gave Dubya the trigger, which he used, but failed to go back to the UN for final approval before beginning military operations.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:31 pmElBruce,
Good one. Maybe if armand shows back up he can check out the new thread.
I guess you guys whipped his butt (but he liked it).
September 18th, 2009 at 9:33 pmWell we can start with Giethner the tax cheat, or Charlie Rangel the tax cheat,(missed a million dollars of income on his income tax form) Pelosi’s husband who benefited from a bill she passed giving him 25 million in benefits or maybe Diane Fienstien who sent non bid government contracts to her husbands company while she was on the appropriation commitee. And you were going to drain the swamp. What a joke.
You do know about these things don’t you? How about Ried taking money for approving land deals in his state or Barney Frank saying that Fannie and Freddie had strong balance sheets a year before they collapsed.
Chris Dodd and his mortgage loans while he was in the Senate Banking Committee just to name a few.
Look them up or stay Progressive and stupid.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:33 pmGeithner underestimated his taxes. He was called on it he paid. What are the chances that he does his OWN taxes? Rangel and Pelosi are even LESS an example of corruption but it is irrelevant since they were both in Congress BEFORE Obama and are NOT members of his administration. My GOD you are stupid. Then again you KNOW you are stupid. That is why you just repeat what Rush TOLD you to think. You are embarassingly stupid
September 18th, 2009 at 9:37 pmSo you don’t know what your talking about. I’m not surprised.
Stay ignorant of the facts. I don’t care. OBTW there was already a UN resolution in place.
All three were advising Bush to invade Iraq. Pelosi was on the House Intellegence Committee in charge of verifying ALL information given to the President.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:37 pmHouse Intelligence Committee.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:39 pmarmand says:
GOD you are stupid. There was NEVER a UN authorization to invade Iraq. You are so brainwashed that you litterally dont know ANYTHING. You tell someone else THEY dont know what THEY are talking about. All we get from you are Limborg talking points. You are stupid, you are a brainwashed propaganda parrot regurgitating your progamming. You are truly pathetic
September 18th, 2009 at 9:43 pmCoruption is coruption and they are in power in Washington.
You are a whiner aren’t you. He is the head of the party and they are in his party. Sorry but your post is lame and ignorant.
I’m not surprised.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:44 pmWhoops, I didn’t realize how long that would be in this format, my apologies to everyone.
Except armand.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:44 pmArMORON making a mistake on your taxes is not corruption. Duke Cunningham was corruption. Also you claimed the corruption was in the Obama administration. You are flatly too stupid to even communicate with.
You really are an incredibly stupid MORON I was NEVER suprised
September 18th, 2009 at 9:46 pmNow if you could prove that then it might be worth considering. Your stupidity falls right along leftist party dogma.
Whiner. Prove your statement or STFU.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:46 pmThe deciderer wasnt the deciderer?
Just WOW
September 18th, 2009 at 9:48 pmMore cut and paste Eugene.
I wish I could gorget a million dollars of income.
You’re the moron if you think he didn’t know about that unreported million and didn’t declare it.
You really suck at this, don’t you?
September 18th, 2009 at 9:49 pmThe unitary executive was not the unitary executive nor the commander in chief.
This is more fan than a water wigggle armand.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:49 pmarmand says:
Of COURSE they lied multiple times. Bush lied on Sept 7 2002 when he said “I would remind you that when the inspectors first went into Iraq and were denied—finally denied access, a report came out of the Atomic—the IAEA, that they were six months away from developing a weapon. I don’t know what more evidence we need.” No such report. Didnt exist. The IAEA said so. Now Condalizzard Rice went on TV and said of the aluminum tubes that the anodyzed coating ON the tubes PROVED they were for gas centrifuges except uranium gas reacts badly to anodyzed coating and would have to be removed. Dick Cheney said the Prague meeting between Mohammed Atta and an Iraqi intelligence officer was pretty much confirmed but in fact it had been pretty much refuted including the FBI saying they knew where Atta was and he wasnt in Prague. Now Those are just the most publicized ones. Lies that ANYONE even slightly informed on the issue other than by listening to Rush would know. You didnt because you are stupid brainwashed and uninformed. A MORON really.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:53 pmarmand says:
Not compared to YOU I dont. Again do you REALLY think Gietner does his own taxes? For financial people they are complicated MAYBE he did cheat but that hasnt been shown. He didnt go to jail over this. When he was called on it HE PAID HIS TAXES. That isnt corruption. Duke Cunningham, Stevens. THOSE were corruption. Ya got nothin you are an astonishingly stupid moron. You dont know a single thing that Rush didnt tell you to think and he puts a lot of BS propaganda into that poor excuse for a brain you have
September 18th, 2009 at 9:56 pmWhat’s wrong armand, don’t like being associated with the Grand Old Pervert party?
Imbecile.
Complaining about taxes when his partys full of child molesters and perverts.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:57 pmarmand says:
Here are 3 big names calling for the invasion of Iraq.
Kennedy, Hillary and Nancy Pelosi. Of course you already know that don’t you
They didn’t call for the invasion; they approved the military action under the Presidential War Powers Act. That approval was based on a lie by GWB.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:58 pmThe difference between us ArMORON is that I know what I am talking about and YOU only know what RUSH is talking about. You really are too stupid to be swimming in the deep water here.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:58 pmThey dont go out and gather intelligence beaides that Cheney said he preferred Feiths alternative intelligence and they stovepiped it in.
September 18th, 2009 at 9:59 pmXisithrus says:
The very idea that the House intelligence comittee gets all the intelligence the President does is ludicrous on the face of it. Even for someone as intellectually challenged as armand must know this.
September 18th, 2009 at 10:01 pmProof. I don’t see any proof just statements from a person who has been whining all night.
Show me the proof or STFU. Your opinion doesn’t mean crap to me.
Nothing you posted shows anyone was lying. You really suck at this don’t you. Your’e the liar here.
Proof, not the Liberal talking points that you keep throwing around.
September 18th, 2009 at 10:01 pm2nd Session SENATE 110-
REPORT
ON
WHETHER PUBLIC STATEMENTS REGARDING IRAQ BY U.S.
GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS WERE SUBSTANTIATED BY
INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION
the Committee [Intelligence committee] reviewed only finished analytic intelligence documents, with
few exceptions. This did not include intelligence reports “from the field” or less formal
communications between intelligence agencies and other parts of the Executive Branch
Now, back on topic armand
Do you think health insurance is too expensive and that soemthing should be done about it?
September 18th, 2009 at 10:08 pm~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The very idea that the House intelligence comittee gets all the intelligence the President does is ludicrous on the face of it.
I agree. But for the other readers here is proof that armand is not being, perhaps unintentionally, honest
September 18th, 2009 at 10:12 pmArMORON Oh my GOD are you really so stupid you missed all those stories? I apparantly cant post the links as the filter wont allow me
This from PBS flashpoints
September 7, 2002
In a joint press conference with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, President Bush asserts, “I would remind you that when the inspectors first went into Iraq and were denied — finally denied access [in 1998], a report came out of the Atomic — the IAEA that they were six months away from developing a weapon…. I don’t know what more evidence we need.”
This from common dreams
The International Atomic Energy Agency says that a report cited by President Bush as evidence that Iraq in 1998 was “six months away” from developing a nuclear weapon does not exist.
“There’s never been a report like that issued from this agency,” Mark Gwozdecky, the IAEA’s chief spokesman, said yesterday in a telephone interview from the agency’s headquarters in Vienna, Austria.
“We’ve never put a time frame on how long it might take Iraq to construct a nuclear weapon in 1998,” said the spokesman of the agency charged with assessing Iraq’s nuclear capability for the United Nations.
In a Sept. 7 news conference with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, Mr. Bush said: “I would remind you that when the inspectors first went into Iraq and were denied — finally denied access [in 1998], a report came out of the Atomic — the IAEA that they were six months away from developing a weapon.
“I don’t know what more evidence we need,” said the president, defending his administration’s case that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was building weapons of mass destruction.
The White House says Mr. Bush was referring to an earlier IAEA report.
“He’s referring to 1991 there,” said Deputy Press Secretary Scott McClellan. “In ‘91, there was a report saying that after the war they found out they were about six months away.”
Mr. Gwozdecky said no such report was ever issued by the IAEA in 1991.
THIS from the New York Times
ALUMINUM TUBES — accumulated by Iraq were often stored outside and had to be coated to resist the weather. That coating made them unsuitable for use in centrifuges that could have refined uranium into bomb material
Thats enough. I could show all this to be true. The obvious fact is you are too stupid to be talking about things you know nothing about these were all HUGE stories at the time. Since you dont know ANYTHING that some radio screechmonkey didnt put in your head you dont know about them. I put FACTS in my post. WELL KNOWN FACTS. The fact you are too stupid, brainwashed and uninformed to know them is YOUR problem. Look them up yourself or stay STUPID as you told me. Of course you have no choice since you are always going to be stupid
September 18th, 2009 at 10:17 pmShe sucked at her job then. It was her job as the ranking Democrat on the committee to verify all information involving WMD’s.
As a member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence for 10 years (the longest continuous period of service in the committee’s history) including two years as the Ranking Democrat, Pelosi worked to ensure that policymakers and military commanders are provided with the timely and accurate intelligence necessary to guide diplomatic initiatives, succeed in combat, and protect U.S. military forces.In meetings around the world with U.S. and foreign intelligence leaders, Pelosi has urged for greater attention to the threats to international security posed by the proliferation of technologies associated with the weapons of mass destruction and global terrorism.
In the wake of the September 11 terrorist attacks, Pelosi led congressional reviews of the U.S. intelligence and security agencies and authored legislation to create an independent national commission to assess the overall performance of the federal government before, during, and after the attacks.
“Pelosi’s web page.”
September 18th, 2009 at 10:18 pmarmand says:
No she doesnt you are just astonishingly stupid. They checked the finished intelligence checking ALL the intelligence would have taken a staff of hundreds we have 16 different intelligence agencies were they supposed to tell them to send them every single piece of intelligence they had. YEs they reviewed the intelligence agencies and their overall performance but NOT how the Bush administration HANDLED that is distorted and cherry picked the intelligence. Like the aluminum tubes issue. The Bush administration sent multiple reports to Congress saying those tubes could ONLY be used for Gas Centrifuges even though they had a YEAR OLD STUDY by our scientists at Oak Hills where OUR GC experts work that RIDICULED the very idea they WOULD be used that way much less could ONLY be used that way. You are so brainwashed and stupid that you frankly dont know ANYTHING about this issue.
September 18th, 2009 at 10:23 pmOh by the way you ignorant MORON she WASNT the ranking member Harmon was.
September 18th, 2009 at 10:26 pmHow stupid do you have to be to keep wanting to get your ass kicked.
Let’s ask armand.
September 18th, 2009 at 10:26 pmEugene says:
I don’t see where anyone lied to anyone. A report from 1998 doesn’t mean a thing. Where are the lies?
You really suck at this don’t you? You have to fall back on your “cut and paste insults”.
How weak you are. You make assumptions and try to post them as facts. Typical liberal garbage. No wonder no one wants to listen to you people. You have really been indoctrinated but you still haven’t shown any proof.
I’ve seen all this propaganda before from people like you.
Sorry but you have proven nothing.
BOO HOO.
September 18th, 2009 at 10:30 pmarmand says:
Ok You are just a liar now. Even you, as monumentally stupid as you are, cant be this stupid. Bush cited an IAEA report that NEVER EXISTED. It didnt exist according to the very agency he CITED. If that isnt a lie then there is no such thing as a lie. You dont care what is real or true. You are a liar. You will just say whatever floats to the top of that sewer sump you have instead of a brain because you dont CARE if it makes sense. Rice said the anodyzed coating PROVED the aluminum tubes were for GCs. It makes them unsuitable for GCS, to those of us NOT MORONS that is also a lie. Just STFU since you cant even BEGIN to make a cogent argument. Your post was the equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and saying NA NA I cant hear you they didnt lie because I said so.
September 18th, 2009 at 10:34 pmWhine, whine, whine.
No one has kicked anyone’s ass here. Eugene has been trying but hasn’t done it yet. He lost the argument when he resorted to the signature “cut and paste insults” that he is so fond of and the name calling. The weak little thing that he is.
Give him a tissue.
The whiner. Posts opinions as facts. Sorry but that don’t get it on this board.
September 18th, 2009 at 10:35 pmDear ArMORON
you have been spanked, punked, the floor has been mopped with your backside, had your head and ass handed to you. This is clear to anyone who can read
Signed those of us NOT morons
September 18th, 2009 at 10:37 pmWhere Eugene? Prove it didn’t exist. Prove something or STFU.
Stop your whining. Proof he lied. Proof not conjecture.
You aren’t very good at this are you?
September 18th, 2009 at 10:38 pmI CITED the spokesman of the IAEA SAYING SO. Exactly what more do you want? I posted evidence if you can show its wrong do so. Just reading proof and saying it doesnt exist because you are determined to ignore it is weak even for a moron like you. THAT IAEA says the report doesnt exist. That is good enough for anyone with a functional brainpan. You dont care. You are a liar. You are lying. You LOVE to lie. You get sheer joy out of lying. However people here can read and it is OBVIOUS you are lying. No one, is stupid enough not to be able to see you are lying
September 18th, 2009 at 10:41 pmNow you are dreaming of spanking people. How sick.
Of course your Groupies will stroke you all day here. I’ve seen it before. Your posts are boring and your insults are old. You keep posting the same garbage over and over. Face it Eugene, you are boring to the world except to your Groupies.
That is why you spend so much time here. It’s a ego thing.
You pass gas and your followers tell you how sweet it smells.
You keep stroking your ego Eugene. You do nothing for me.
Whiner.
Proof pal. Not propaganda.
September 18th, 2009 at 10:44 pmI gave proof. You are just too stupid to know what FACTS are. You have only yourself and your parents to blame for that.
September 18th, 2009 at 10:45 pmYou’ve been punked dude. Get over it. Trust me it will just keep happening. You are a moron who has no idea what you are talking about. This is your sad fate. Come to terms with it
September 18th, 2009 at 10:51 pmYou posted nothing. You have proven nothing. You have nothing. Your word is no good with me. I require proof not a statement from you. You post propaganda and liberal talking points.
Show me some proof or STFU. “you are a liar”, “You lie”, “you are lying”, blah blah blah.
It’s one of your mantras. I’m not impressed. Maybe your friends are but I’m not. Show documents, affidavits, Congressional investigations, statements, something, or STFU.
Whiner.
September 18th, 2009 at 10:53 pmarmand wants proof of documents that dont exist buy showing a document that doesnt eist.
Bwahahaha
You made the claim armand its up to you to prove it.
September 18th, 2009 at 10:58 pmJust keep denying the sky is blue. You are a liar a fool and an ignorant punkass troll. Everyone can see you are a LIAR. I posted the spokesman for the IAEA refuting there was any such report. You are a moron. It has become boring slapping around a mentally challenged moron too stupid to be believed. You have been punked. Get on with your life. I have other things to do.
September 18th, 2009 at 11:03 pmSorry, Eugene made the statement but failed to back it up with any credible source. I don’t take talking points or propaganda as a source.
He was passing wind and you are now telling him how sweet it smells.
He failed and is a whiner.
So are you.
September 18th, 2009 at 11:04 pmWhere is the document. You posted something but can’t back up what you say.
Post the link or a document or something that proves your point.
So far you haven’t done so. I’ve given you all night to do it but all you can come up with is a Liberal talking point.
No proof.
Sorry whiner. That’s not good enough on this site. Documents, investigations, facts he lied, something.
You’re not very good at this are you?
Post some kind of proof (not propaganda either).
September 18th, 2009 at 11:12 pmI don’t have all night and I’ve been very patient with you.
Stop the whining and produce some proof.
September 18th, 2009 at 11:14 pmI love how cited facts that prove are point are just batted back with “post some proof.” I guess if you have no scruples whatsoever you can convince yourself that you’re winning any argument.
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armand says:
Well we can start with…
If everybody who made a past error on their taxes was a “cheat,” then a huge portion of Americans would be in jail for it. The IRS allows the opportunity to correct past errors and pay the difference. There are forms for it and everything.
Do you really want to compare conflicts of interest between sides? Really? Really? I could spend all night compiling a list of Republicans caught red-handed with their filthy paws in the cookie jar, as well as many, many, many more have who profited from government decisions indirectly. If you called all of those instances scandals, then Republican scandals would outnumber Democrats by at least 50 to 1.
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armand says:
So you don’t know what your talking about. I’m not surprised.
That was a perfect description of the sequence of events. It’s not like it was ancient history. If you were paying attention to current events while it was happening, well, that’s what happened.
The fact that Bush was lying about WMD’s and Al-Qaeda connections was classified information, and was not provided to Congress. The President asked them to take his word for it, and they did in a time of crisis. Most of us in America did. We were wrong to do so.
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armand says:
All three were advising Bush to invade Iraq.
No, he was advising them that he needed to, and they consented to allow him.
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armand says:
Pelosi was on the House Intellegence Committee in charge of verifying ALL information given to the President.
That is not the function of the House Intelligence Committee.
This is all a matter of public record. I find it interesting the sheer number of falsities that you have to believe in just to support your general thesis. Are you allergic to newspapers or something?
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armand says:
Now if you could prove that then it might be worth considering. Your stupidity falls right along leftist party dogma.
Bush told Congress, the American Public, the U.N. and our allies that Saddam had WMD’s. Fact: He did not. Lie.
Bush told Congress, the American Public, the U.N. and our allies that Saddam had ties to Al-Qaeda. Fact: He did not. Lie.
Bush told Congress that he would use the authorization to use force in order to negotiate further with Saddam “from a position of strength.” Fact: within a week after passage, Bush walked away from the negotiations and began preparing to invade. Lie.
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armand says:
Show me the proof or STFU. Your opinion doesn’t mean crap to me.
Methinks he doth protest too much. Somebody’s got a cruuuush on Eugene…
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September 19th, 2009 at 2:31 amWhich makes the reason you listen to TALK radio all the more baffling since its nothing but opinionated bloviaitons
September 19th, 2009 at 8:38 amI dont take talking points but listen to Wuss SpinBomb and Gin Dreck cause they tell the twoof about my biased views!!
September 19th, 2009 at 8:40 amYet you claim not to care and then spend hours saying you dont care but ask for proof. I dont know why you call your feeble attempt at aggravating [Ive been snickering] people as patience.
September 19th, 2009 at 8:44 amgo to your room and don’t come back until you can behave yourself and act like an adult.
September 19th, 2009 at 12:11 pmShorter Armand: I KNOW YOU ARE, BUT WHAT AM I???
Armie, what do you think it says about you and your mental health and/or intelligence when you keep demanding “proof” of something over and over again – after you’ve been provided citation after citation from credible sources – and you ignore it…?
Hmmm. I believe that is defined as “delusion,” and/or “willful ignorance.”
On the other hand, perhaps a diagnosis of Obsessive/Compulsive Disorder is warranted.
I truly feel sorry for you. Your life must be very difficult with that kind of OCD. Don’t lose hope, though – cognitive behavioral therapy and medication can provide very good outcomes.
I hope you have good health insurance…
September 19th, 2009 at 12:29 pmI hereby declare this victory over yet another pathetic wingnut troll, in the name of Liberal Progress.
Let freedom ring!
September 20th, 2009 at 3:09 amarmand says:
You are not only stupid you are deranged. I DID post links. Then when the filter wouldnt LET me post links I cited WHERE THEY WERE. Easy enough to look up. You DO know how to work a search engine RIGHT? Everyone here can see how stupid and pathetic you are. Bush lied. Its that simple. Only a moron as stupid as you could still be clinging to the delusion he didnt.
September 20th, 2009 at 1:12 pmThank you for your sharing.!
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September 24th, 2009 at 9:54 am