Uninsured 22-Year-Old Boehner Constituent Dies From Swine Flu
Uninsured 22-Year-Old Boehner Constituent Dies From Swine Flu
A 22-year-old woman from Oxford, Ohio, died from swine flu on Wednesday. Kimberly Young graduated from Miami University in December and continued to live in Oxford, Ohio, within Minority Leader John Boehner’s congressional distrct. Reports now indicate that after initially getting sick, Young put off treatment because she was uninsured:
Young became ill about two weeks ago, but didn’t seek care initially because she didn’t have health insurance and was worried about the cost, according to Brent Mowery, her friend and former roommate. […]
On Tuesday, Sept. 22, Young’s condition suddenly worsened and her roommate drove her to McCullough Hyde Memorial Hospital in Oxford, where she was flown in critical condition to University Hospital in Cincinnati.
“That’s the most tragic part about it. If she had insurance, she would have gone to the doctor,” Mowery said.
According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, 30 percent of 19-24 year olds are uninsured, more than any other group. Despite the conservative argument that young people are voluntarily refusing health coverage in favor of extra spending money, the reality is that high costs on the individual market put coverage out of reach. As Suzy Khimm notes at Campus Progress, young people “are far more likely to be working part-time or lower-paying jobs for employers who don’t offer coverage”:
In its 2008 study, the Commonwealth Fund found that 66 percent of young adults aged 19 to 29 who experienced a time without coverage in the past year said they had gone without it because of the cost. [...]
Young people might have a better chance of accessing comprehensive coverage if there were a public plan, which could lower the cost of insurance, particularly for those without good employer benefits. Young people may also have a better chance at coverage if there were generous subsidies for lower-income individuals, as many take lower-paying jobs when they first enter the workforce.
Even though Boehner represents a large university, he has been an outspoken opponent of a public option that would make insurance cheaper and more accessible to recent graduates like Young. On Meet the Press last week, the Minority Leader continued to stick to the obstructionist Frank Luntz-endorsed talking points, dismissing the public option as “big government” while defending a watered-down plan.
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– - Get ready for some Enrico Fermi-level spin from Boehner.
September 25th, 2009 at 5:38 pmBoehner is a supporter of insurance industry death panels. He probably thinks that college students either don’t vote or voted for Obama and therefore they are meaningless to him. Republicans are always about money, especially when the money is heading their way.
September 25th, 2009 at 5:39 pmMy sorrows to her family and those who love her.
September 25th, 2009 at 5:39 pmPlease do not let any fraud disgrace her life. Ignore them
On Tuesday, Sept. 22, Young’s condition suddenly worsened and her roommate drove her to McCullough Hyde Memorial Hospital in Oxford, where she was flown in critical condition to University Hospital in Cincinnati.
– - Boehner: “See, she got some healthcare.”
September 25th, 2009 at 5:40 pmin another 12 minutes, who will be next?
September 25th, 2009 at 5:40 pmPat, few people were paying attention before Obama came into office. Now that the country is paying attention, thanks to Obama, people are outraged.
September 25th, 2009 at 5:45 pmAnd, Pat, what exactly is the propaganda here?
September 25th, 2009 at 5:47 pmRe: PP @ 6:
It will _sooooooooooooo_ serve you right when your insurance company drops you like a hot rock the day you are diagnosed with rectal cancer.
September 25th, 2009 at 5:48 pmA politician who doesn’t give a damn about a constituent? I’ve never heard of such a thing!
September 25th, 2009 at 5:49 pmPat Pomery is a frud. Do not engage frauds.
September 25th, 2009 at 5:50 pmMy heart aches for this young woman and her family. So young. And to have died so needlessly.
September 25th, 2009 at 5:52 pmAHHH only in america can we kill off our young people so well.
either in a war for nothing (greed) or medical needs.
My thoughts go to her family for this tragic ordeal
September 25th, 2009 at 5:52 pmWhere was the outrage every time somebody died before obama came into office?
Hmmm. I seem to remember Obama getting elected partly because he was going to do something about Health Care…
September 25th, 2009 at 5:53 pmPat Pomery
How do you define “propaganda”? I guess the kind of propaganda you have to catapult is the kind you prefer.
Be very wary of my party’s attitude toward life. When they say they want a “free” country, expect tons of casualties on their watch and as a result of our hands-off policies.
September 25th, 2009 at 5:53 pmA young, healthy female died in our county last week of swine flu. A lot of people are saying, “hey, it’s just the flu, no big deal”, but I work as a transcriptionist and I’m seeing entire families coming into the ERs for treatment of H1N1 on a scale I have NEVER seen in 25 years of typing medical reports. And it’s only September. This one is so contagious, it’s a little scary.
September 25th, 2009 at 5:54 pmPat Pomery
– - Most snowjobs melt. So will this one.
September 25th, 2009 at 5:55 pmIt stinks when a young person full of promise dies so young. My sympathies to her family.
September 25th, 2009 at 5:55 pmDon’t simply vote down Pat’s comments, report it en mass. There’s a real psychopath behind the computer.
September 25th, 2009 at 5:55 pmPat Pomery says:
Does the propaganda ever quit? Where was the outrage every time somebody died before obama came into office?
How very un-Christian of you, you soul-less bastard…
September 25th, 2009 at 5:57 pmHey Pat!
You know who sued for the right to broadcast inaccuracies, right?
We went over that last week… psst, it’s FOX!
September 25th, 2009 at 5:58 pmPatty, you don’t care one iota about the troops. The GOP has insulted troops (”phony soldiers”) and 9/11 families (Beck, Coulter, stalling to create 9/11 commission), they’ve failed to properly fund and run the VA efficiently. The way out of your mess is not easy. Nobody’s buying your act as a benchmark on cleaning up the mess you caused. Get out of your bubble and get yourself some mental help.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:01 pmNo. He was elected because he was going to “end” the wars. How’s that workin for ya?
One down, one to go. And the violence continues in Iraq, just as we predicted. It’s a quagmire – and I don’t mean the sexaholic character on Family Guy.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:02 pmPat Pomery,
You are full of hate like every other reich-wing, white-wing, Christianista, RePugniScum, bastard, troll, pos.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:04 pmPat Pomery
No thanks. You’re infamous in more ways than one, but making an ass out of yourself with a liberal link you couldn’t comprehend to be liberal, should be rubbed in your face until you’re banned. Remember that thread? It was just a couple nights ago.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:04 pmEvidently Pat Pomery needs to be reminded that it was the Bush administration that didn’t even want to allow photos of dead soldiers returning from Iraq. She evidently has absentmindedly forgotten that Democrats and liberals complained about this and wanted more attention paid to the deaths of soldiers.
Some people have selective memories.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:04 pmI can’t wait to hear how Boehner spins this one.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:04 pmPat Pomery says:
Nothing to say about the network who fought for the first amendment RIGHT to broadcast inaccurate corporate PROPOGANDA, Pat?
Strange.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:04 pmPP is a FoxSucker.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:05 pmHas anyone contacted Cry Baby Boehner about this yet ?
He too busy at the tanning salon ?
September 25th, 2009 at 6:06 pmPat: “President Obama said Monday that the swine flu outbreak is a “cause for concern and requires a heightened state of alert,” but is not a “cause for alarm.”
That’s right, Pat. This is not about alarming the nation. This is about the fact that young American woman died because of our broken health care system. Obama is working on that. Your people were in charge for quite a while and I never heard anyone mention anything about it.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:06 pmUh, Patty, our beloved Dick Armey didn’t want Swine mentioned at all and claimed it would be used as a “ploy” to pass health reform. If you think the attention to swine is understated (simple political swerving on your part), take it up with him.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:06 pmOh, but I forgot: Obama’s been in office for 8 whole months. Yup, he should have just bugged out of Iraq, and ignored the soldiers who were killed during the instantaneous pullout.
Iraq was supposed to be a shining beacon of freedom, by now, leading the entire middle east to a new era of peace and prosperity. And the war was supposed to pay for itself, according to repubs. How’s that working for ya’ Pat?
September 25th, 2009 at 6:08 pmGet real Pat. Now, watch this drive…
September 25th, 2009 at 6:09 pmBack on topic.
“Senator” Boner sucks suntan lotion with a straw through his nose.
Explains his stupidity.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:10 pmPat Pomery says:
And what does this have to do with the only ‘news’ organization that I know of that is actually on record arguing for their right to broadcast falsehoods?
The Fox Network.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:10 pmRepiggies to Kimberly Young: DIE!
September 25th, 2009 at 6:10 pmPat Pomery says:
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NinerFan says:
What does that have to do with think progress suddenly putting a halt to keeping track of soldiers dying in Iraq in mid January?
September 25th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
How long have we been there , mutt ?
How well has Chimpy McFlighsuit’s “noble cause” worked out and cost us ?
September 25th, 2009 at 6:11 pm***
twajie,
why do you hate women?
:|
September 25th, 2009 at 6:11 pmYou really want to talk about the biggest republican foreign-policy mistake in US history, Pat?
This will be fun.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:13 pmPat, I have nothing to do with whether or not TP posts war deaths, but I think they should. My point was that the only institutional suppressing of war death information has been done lately by conservatives, not liberals. And, I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but American war dead in Afganistan are rightly all over the news, and to a much greater extent than they ever were during the Bush administration.
Again, I asked you how reporting a young uninsured person’s death is propaganda? Are you simply going to continue to pretend that nobody asked you?
September 25th, 2009 at 6:13 pmA moron is who?
Pat Pomery.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:14 pmWeak diversion.
You started down that path. What’s the matter? Not pleased with the fundamentalist islamic regime your tax dollars funded?
Heh.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:16 pmThe Republican attitude of indifference can be traced to Reagan. When the AIDS began to spread, the government took no action. This lasted for a good number of years until a lot of straight people became infected and the government could no longer afford to sit on its hands. Katrina and health care are just more of the same indifference.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:16 pmPat Pomery says:
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MCMetal says:
Weak diversion.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
“Diversion” ? Asking about the imbecile responsible for sending our troops there , and the cost in both dollars and lives , is a “diversion” to you ?
What a typically nutless GOP stooge you are……
September 25th, 2009 at 6:17 pmPat Pomery says:
Weak diversion.
RIGHT after posting this…
Pat Pomery says:
ellen’s calling you, she needs fresh batteries….
You’re a real winner! Did you know that, Pat?
September 25th, 2009 at 6:17 pm***
#51,
you mean twajie.
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twajie,
when you die and you’re rotting in hell,
the soul of this young girl will look down
upon you from heaven and say “hmmm”.
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September 25th, 2009 at 6:17 pmPee Patty, you really are a sad human being. Would you be here spreading your heartless BS if this had been your daughter or sister or wife? How would you feel if people said what you said if this was happening to your family. You are what is wrong with this country.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:18 pmI have to say that Pat Pomery sounds like a person who was really pissed when TP counted the number of dead in Iraq.
It could have been such a wonderful war if you didn’t have to subject your beautiful mind to that kind of thing, eh Pat?
September 25th, 2009 at 6:18 pm***
#44,
fritz,
“Repiggies to Kimberly Young: YOU DIE!”
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fixed.
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September 25th, 2009 at 6:19 pmPat doesn’t pay taxes, so what does he care if federal dollars are spent on an islamic fundamentalist regime as opposed to people here at home.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:19 pmpags2 says:
The Republican attitude of indifference can be traced to Reagan. When the AIDS began to spread, the government took no action. This lasted for a good number of years until a lot of straight people became infected and the government could no longer afford to sit on its hands. Katrina and health care are just more of the same indifference.
Coupled with Reagan’s “never speak ill of another republican,” mantra, which has forced moderate repubs from the party, like Bernie Sanders. All that’s left are authoritarian groupies Like Pat.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:20 pmBoner has his health care for the rest of his life. The sick phuck deserves to burn up trapped in his tanning bed.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:22 pmjoe cantwell says:
Thanks, Joe. Better.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:24 pmTP got so busy reporting all the contemptable bull$hit reightwingers like yourself were up to…must have fell through the cracks…you know…like Osama Bin Laden did with Bush: “So I don’t know where he is. You know, I just don’t spend that much time on him” –Press Conference by the President – The James S. Brady Briefing Room – 4:00 P.M. EST –March 13, 2002
September 25th, 2009 at 6:25 pmThe sick phuck deserves to burn up trapped in his tanning bed.
Or drown, after falling into a golf-course water-hazard…
September 25th, 2009 at 6:25 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
aaronk says:
Under a public option that most of you are in support of, what would the premium cost be for a 22 year old girl such as her, and would their be a co-pay for doctor visits…etc like the traditional insurance model?
Since there is no definitive “plan,” aren’t you rushing things a bit?
September 25th, 2009 at 6:28 pmaaronk says:
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Under a public option that most of you are in support of, what would the premium cost be for a 22 year old girl such as her, and would their be a co-pay for doctor visits…etc like the traditional insurance model?
September 25th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Why aren’t you worried about the COST her death has taken from her family and friends ?
September 25th, 2009 at 6:28 pm***
boney gets emotional.
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about killing people.
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September 25th, 2009 at 6:28 pmare you defending the status quo?
September 25th, 2009 at 6:29 pmBoner and the rest of these obstructing Insurance shills should give up their Government run insurance.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:29 pmaaronk says:
Under a public option that most of you are in support of, what would the premium cost be for a 22 year old girl such as her, and would their be a co-pay for doctor visits…etc like the traditional insurance model?
well thats a good question.
whats it cost now for Medicare, would think it be in the same lines.
so what do you think?
September 25th, 2009 at 6:29 pmGW Botch wouldn’t even allow photos of flag draped coffins to appear in public.
Punk Pomery you suck.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:29 pmaaronk says:
And speaking of distractions, here’s arronk!
Let me tell ya, aaron… I don’t know exactly how much her co-pay would have been but I GUARANTEE it’s less than her emergency room care would have been, and WAY, WAY less than her funeral.
How’s that?
jackass.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:29 pmbarfly says:
Coupled with Reagan’s “never speak ill of another republican,” mantra, which has forced moderate repubs from the party, like Bernie Sanders. All that’s left are authoritarian groupies Like Pat.
Lincoln is turning over in his grave.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:32 pmThe insurance refusers will respond by say that she should have found a free government insurance and not died.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:32 pmaaronk, I’m sure it will be a lot less then what she could have got from any insurance company, being on her own.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:33 pmHow very reightwingy of you to make blanket assumptions. Most of us may not be for a public option, but for single payer.
And please don’t assume I want to discuss any fallacies in thinking you may have about single payer.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:34 pmLook at the sweet young woman’s face. I feel so sad for her family and friends. For some reason I cannot stop the tears. What a miserable society we live in that we have to try to argue with completely heartless naysayers about saving lives. Crap I feel bad right now…
September 25th, 2009 at 6:34 pmLet’s put it in an economic perspective: how much is lost to society when other-wise productive young members are just left to fend for themselves, and die, as a consequence? C’mon Pat, you guys love to play this rhetorical game, when we’re talking about unschooled embryos; how about the loss of all the tax dollars used to educate these young people?
September 25th, 2009 at 6:34 pmTPM writes, “Still, if Young’s lack of insurance did contribute to her not seeking treatment sooner, it would be hard to find a starker or more compelling example of the need to fix our broken health insurance system.
no shit.
you’re sick, you go to the clinic… anywhere else in the world…
that she, ANYONE, has to even think about it, has to THINK about taking action to retain health, is just unreasonable.
we are so lucky that my daughter’s fiance works at one of the too few employers that allow cohabitants to be on the company policy… now she is employed and ensured on her own, but those months between graduation and employment were made more secure because of that employer…
lucky.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:36 pmRepublicans like to think of these deaths as a way to reduce the entitlements.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:37 pmBoner is the face of the DEATH PANEL. Why should he have Government run health care while good decent American people are dying?
September 25th, 2009 at 6:37 pmaaron, life shouldn’t be measured in terms of how much you can pay, but rather how much you mean to others close to you.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:38 pm‘Cause who knows? Kim Young might have gone on to become a doctor, architect, or a cop on the beat. Now, her potential is in the dumpster.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:38 pmMr. Bonehead, her death is on your hands. The death of every young person, middle aged unemployed person, or person with a pre-existing condition is on your bloody hands. Don’t you get it? are you that stupid? Are you related to W or Dan Quayle?
EY Gads! Another one for the People of OHIO To be shod of.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:39 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
The ‘nutters can’t seem to concoct a viable position, when the results of their hubris are humanized, like Kim
September 25th, 2009 at 6:40 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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#87 and #89,
why don’t you take it up
with ms. young’s parents?
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September 25th, 2009 at 6:43 pmWe should allow the opportunity for every American to buy into Medicare.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:44 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I assumed the supporters have some idea of what it is that they are supporting. Maybe I was wrong.
If that was your attempt at pithyness, it limps like an uninsured taxi-cab driver.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:44 pmindeed…but unfortunately, to those defending the status quo, the health insurance company CEOs, it seems not to be the case…that profits once again trump life…
September 25th, 2009 at 6:45 pmThen you don’t follow “us” as closely as you pretend to.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:46 pm***
#93,
all save your own.
:)
September 25th, 2009 at 6:47 pmWe already do…it’s called a payroll tax…what I think you mean is allow us the opportunity to be covered by it.
No harm no foul.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:48 pmI assumed the supporters have some idea of what it is that they are supporting. Maybe I was wrong.
I had assumed that opponents would not take this opportunity to begin a cost/benefit analysis on the risks/rewards of treating a 22 year old. Maybe I was wrong.
Double jackass.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:49 pm***
more about kim here.
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September 25th, 2009 at 6:52 pmI had assumed that opponents would not take this opportunity to begin a cost/benefit analysis on the risks/rewards of treating a 22 year old. Maybe I was wrong.
Double jackass
But, I thought repubs talking points incorporated it, by suggesting that since em>they don’t get sick, they don’t really need it.
You mean… they lied?
September 25th, 2009 at 6:52 pmThe only companies against health care reform are the people who are making loads of money from the current system such as the insurance companies. Most employers would love a public option to help reduce insurance premiums. Employers are paying part of those premiums and anything that brings down costs is welcome.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:53 pmRepugs lie and people die. C’mon young people, stand up and tell sad sacks of repug shit you want health care.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:53 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
From Joe’s link:
Friends called her “Kimi.” The Miami alumna worked three jobs while in school. Young graduated December 2008 with Bachelor’s degrees in both International Studies and Fine Art.
And I’ll bet her education was partially financed by tax dollars. There’s something for Aaronk’s cost/benefit analysis.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:55 pmThe right to life applies only to fetuses?
September 25th, 2009 at 6:56 pmbarfly says
And I’ll bet her education was partially financed by tax dollars. There’s something for Aaronk’s cost/benefit analysis.
see there you go blowing it for beohner as i bet he would have come up with hell she split with out paying back her loans.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:57 pmyour assumptions are getting the better of you today. That is not what I was doing at all.
Ahh, then I apologize… please explain exactly what it was that you WERE doing asking about the cost of co-pays under the mythical ‘Plan’ that hasn’t been finalized yet but that you assume we all support… assumptions are tricky, huh?
September 25th, 2009 at 6:58 pmwhat would the premium cost be for a 22 year old girl such as her, and would their be a co-pay for doctor visits…etc like the traditional insurance model?
No, aaronk’s only interested in the societal costs, which we would all pay, through single payer/public option.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:59 pm***
#105,
“That is not what I was doing at all.”
*
that defense was used at nuremberg by people
who regarded other people’s lives with “equal measure”.
. . .
September 25th, 2009 at 6:59 pmOne can hope that orange spray that the Boehner puts on contains some kind of slow flesh eating disease, keep hope alive.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:59 pmRab says:
One can hope that orange spray that the Boehner puts on contains some kind of slow flesh eating disease, keep hope alive.
That’s something I’d never wish on someone. Drowning in a golf-course water trap would be poetic justice, however.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:02 pmdung beetle, where do you come up with the 15%?
September 25th, 2009 at 7:02 pmMy 14 year old daughter had the Euro flu in Germany this summer and 4 different doctors saw her and treated her at no charge. This is so incredibly sad the way we sacrifice our young people to keep old people happy with their Medicare.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:03 pmdung beetle says:
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Rab says:
One can hope that orange spray that the Boehner puts on contains some kind of slow flesh eating disease, keep hope alive.
I wonder if he and olbermann use the same stuff?
Boehner uses his as an enema too, just ask Pat Pomery.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:04 pmAnd I believe the Emergency Room care she received will cost her family about what she would have earned in a whole year. But then again I believe you’re a worthless piece of beetle dung.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:04 pmangels81 says:
It’s a poser, not Levi.
I wonder if he and olbermann use the same stuff?
Why?
September 25th, 2009 at 7:04 pmPat Pomery
September 25th, 2009 at 7:05 pmPunkPomeranian. YOU are simply a disgusting piece of sewage. Just go kill yourself
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from the link:
“Sharpe said that Young was a hard worker and had a strong passion for helping others.
“When the power was out last year, she built a bon fire in her backyard and just started cooking food over the bon fire, for like a week and just walked down the street and would just find people and invite them to come. She would be like, ‘Hey! Do you have dinner? No you don’t, you don’t have electricity. Come to my house! I’ll feed you. We have spaghetti over the fire,’” Sharpe remembered.”
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can you imagine any troll here ever doing
something like that for their neighbors?
neither can i.
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September 25th, 2009 at 7:06 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
aaronk, you are just plain sick. You have no heart. Do your family a favor and move to Oklahoma and don’t leave a forwarding address.
Just keep paying your insurance premiums.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:08 pmaaronk says:
I assumed the supporters have some idea of what it is that they are supporting. Maybe I was wrong.
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You are a liar. What you thought is you would spew out another REALLY stupid talking point. The specific details arent as important as the concept. I am sure you are too stupid to understand this simple concept but us normal humans understand it quite well. You were not only WRONG. You ARE stupid
September 25th, 2009 at 7:09 pmdung beetle says:
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All the insurance, obama care or money won’t stop fate.
All the knowledge in the world won’t stop your ignorance.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:10 pmAnd all the education in the world won’t stop a Republican.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:11 pmI am curious as to if a public option would have prevented this tragic death, because it is very possible that if this woman and/or her family couldn’t afford the above care out of pocket, they might not have also been able to afford the public option premium, co-pay, or medicinal costs.
Yeah, that’s why we need to cover everyone so we only pay that $100… not the thousands we paid for the emergency care or the thousands more her family will pay for the funeral or the untold amount we have lost as a nation because this young woman will never grow up… you are sick, aaronk.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:11 pm45,000 people a year die from inadequate health care in the richest, most powerful nation on earth.
And there are those who say, yeah, but they deserve it.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:11 pmdung heap, you really are pretty stupid aren’t you? Fate? What the hell is fate? Is that like a god thing? If we had a single payer system like the rest of the world, this young women would be alive today, you twit.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:12 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
dung beetle says:
Fate, huh? Will remember that the next time you are ill… fate got the shitty little guy. oh, well…
September 25th, 2009 at 7:13 pmDung beetle, you were doomed the minute you came out of your mommy’s womb.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:13 pmWhatever idea you want to take on faith…choose one…
/snark
September 25th, 2009 at 7:14 pmaaronk says:
Thats because you are a MORON. I BELIEVE in choice. Including the choice of realizing you have sullied your soul to the point the best thing for yourself and the world is to hit the reste button. Trolls are disgusting pieces of filth that are too stupid and pathetic to be anything but a burden and an irritant to all mankind. They should consider opting out. I am not advocating murdering them. Just pointing out the option. If your motive is to annoy other human beings and you consider that entertainment or a worthy thing to do. Perhaps its time to do mankind a favor get OUT and try again from scratch. You are STUPID perhaps?
September 25th, 2009 at 7:16 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Shit Beetle: You’d be the first one to get in the lifeboat, screw the women and children, Shit Beetle comes first.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:17 pmdung beetle says:
I am sure moron that you are you believe lots of things just as ignorant as that. The RELEVANT term is conservative STUPIDITY. A subject you should be a virtual expert on based on YOUR life as, well, YOU.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:17 pmWhy is this girls parents not being held accountable?
They lost their daughter, shit head.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:18 pmThat’s a pretty large consequence… and I blame you.
Run and duck aaronk. A young woman is dead who didn’t have to be. Fling poo, make believe her death is not on the conscience of every politician who thinks profits are more important than her life.
Was that smile not worth more than some CEO’s BMW? Was her heart not worth more than some clerk’s bonus?
No dissimulation. Any politician who doesn’t weep over the loss of this society at the needless death of this young woman has no real reason to continue breathing, let alone disserving our nation.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:18 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
dung heap, you are one worthless piece of garbage to even ask a stupid question about her parents. The women was 22 years old and out of school living on her own. When my daughter got out of school and reached the age of 21, I couldn’t carry her on my insurance anymore, even thou she still lived at home. You are just a sick person.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:20 pmaaronk says:
What is dead you staggeringly STUPID piece of filth is the souls of morons like you and dungbeetle. You probably HAD one until it fled screaming from your body about age four unable to withstand your total lack of decency
September 25th, 2009 at 7:21 pmBoner: Why wasn’t this young lady majoring in capitalism and free murkets like the big boys?
September 25th, 2009 at 7:21 pmand another thing… which I don’t understand why it doesn’t get brought up more often: if she had H1N1 and insurance she would have gone to the hospital, gotten some antivirals and other minor treatment, paid the copay the (privately held) insurance company would have paid the rest.
Instead she got *really* sick, needed a life flight helicopter ride and whatever other treatment they gave her to try to keep her alive… guess who pays for all of that when she’s uninsured? Yep the taxpayer, that’s who. So, in summary, for you slow rethuglican trolls out there:
1) Insurance companies already have their “death panels” in place. Just look at all the stories of people who can’t get insurance or get dropped for unrelated conditions. For example, I can’t currently get health insurance on an individual plan because my WIFE is pregnant. I mean wtf?
2) Taxpayers pay more under the current system because they have to pay for emergency care instead of preventative care which is always cheaper, and with private insurance, doesn’t cost the taxpayer anything
3) My gut feeling is that if we had single-payer our overall tax burden would be less.. no more need for medicare, no more need for emergency medicare, and people would be getting preventative care instead of emergency care. If we follow the french system, we have single payer and then you can buy private insurance to supplement that. There, you have a single payer, and a private insurance industry. That wasn’t so hard now, was it?
4) Why is it that our good friends Glenn Beck and pals don’t seem to be interested in the govt waste due to military contracts and other items that are orders of magnitude of orders of magnitude (yes i mean that twice) larger than the amounts we are talking about for healthcare? It’s because lack of healthcare promotes the divide between the upper class and the rest of the world, just like the bush tax cuts did. (and in a side note, the general aviation complaints from Mr. Beck and friends are simply to fuel class warfare, because again, it helps make sure that the lower/middle class fights against the govt and doesn’t help themselves up.
5) in an almost unrelated note, you can thank General aviation for making that life flight possible. So quit listening to the airlines BS about ticket taxes (airport improvements come from the FUEL TAX on aviation fuel which all pilots pay when they buy gas, not the ticket tax as the airlines would have you believe)
Anyway, I’ve got a million other reasons why insurance/health care reform is a good idea, I’m just trying to frame this in terms of their own insipid arguments :P
September 25th, 2009 at 7:22 pmdung beetle says:
What is it about being a stupid, brainwashed, ignorant pile of dogshit that appeals to you?
September 25th, 2009 at 7:23 pmMaybe she didnt tell her parents she had the flu.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:23 pmEvery time you open your mouth, aaronk, you display there is no heart in you. You display everything that is destroying this country, everything your toady masters stand for. America stands for itself.
You stand for you. No wonder you hate yourself so much.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:24 pmS. Beetle is the love child of Glenn Beck and Anne Coulter, not sure which one gave birth to the S. Beetle.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:26 pmRab says:
Please it is dinnertime
September 25th, 2009 at 7:26 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
EugeneDebs says:
Sorry, I already ate.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:28 pmduh…personal responsibility and the concept of family are dead…didn’t you know…it’s all about societal responsibility now
I would like to see you try to pay $30000 per annum in health premiums in the year 2019. Because that’s where health costs are projected to rise for your avg. family.
That’s why we republicans don’t quite get it right when it comes to solutions- it’s not a systemic issue in our minds, it’s a matter of “personal responsibility.” Well, where is the is the responsbility of the private death panels, and why is your party projecting that reality onto the government?
Remember, in the great republican party, it’s the individuals who are wronged who don’t follow the tenets of “personal responsibility.” Corporations, however, are a different kind of people and can be as free as they like.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:28 pmInteresting.
First Pee Pee arrived, unzipped hios trousers and started pee-peeing all over the place — 10 posts among the first 48, and not a single word of concern for the young girl or her family.
Then Pee Pee left, perhaps to recharge his bladder with more Mountain Dew, and erronk arrived to fling his feces around the room with his bare hand.
Again, not a single word of concern for the young woman’s tragic fate, except to call for “accountability” for her family.
Is this what “compassionate conservatism”™ is supposed to look like?
September 25th, 2009 at 7:28 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I believe you are “sick” for shutting off your mind so quickly and assuming the headline of this thread is accurate.
Ah, so she didn’t die of swine flu?
She did have insurance?
She is not a constituent of Boehner’s?
Which part is inaccurate?
September 25th, 2009 at 7:30 pmI guess if your mind is never ‘on’ things like that don’t matter, huh aaronk?
aaronk says:
Well we get that a moron as stupid and brainwashed as YOU might regurgitate something as stupid as that. IT has to do with that soul abandoning you for your sickening lack of decency. Since you are a liar a punk and a nauseating pile of dogshit not even the strongest soul could possibly stand to be anywhere near you. I mean you are white hot MORON stupid but that is the least of your sickening problems. You disgust maggots.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:30 pmYep, pat and aaronk still don’t have a soul. They’re definitely republicans.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:30 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
nah, these guys usually just mute the TV slap on some headphones and listen to the White Album during his speeches….he’s great man!
Sure glad you aren’t letting assumptions get the better of you, aaronk!
Let me be clear.
You are a jackass.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:31 pmdung beetle says:
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Rab says:
You seemed to be obsessed with Glenn Beck and Ann Coulter? What’s up with that?
People gotta be familiar with genetic mutations. Repugs being the operative species.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:32 pmaaronk says:
Unlike a sick, pathetic, depraved shitweasel like YOu who breaks out the rubber dolly and masterbates to every WORD Hannity or Limbaugh says. May you die facedown in the gutter with rats gnawing on your earlobes.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:32 pmAlthough, now that I think of it, I seem to remember the GOP dumping the “Compassionate Conservatism”™ bit around 2005. Seems like they said, “You guys didn’t really buy that, did you? It was just a marketing thing!”
September 25th, 2009 at 7:32 pm***
#138,
i have nothing against “policians”.
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#145
“personal responsibility and the concept of family are dead”
i don’t think so.
neither did she.
see #122.
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September 25th, 2009 at 7:32 pmdung beetle, pitiful troll who tries to usurp the name of a caring human and aaronk and all you other trolls…scroll up and look at the picture of a young woman who has died because crap hearts like you think money is more important than life.
Look at that smile and know she was a happy woman who was loved. Look at her eyes and see a life snuffed out becuase the greatest nation in history thinks making money is more important than supporting its people.
She is only one of the 45,000 who will die this year. One who will be sacrificed on the altar of greed and profit built by the shallow and crass.
Be happy trolls, you build that altar. Go look at her and then be proud of your work.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:33 pmaaronk says:
duh…personal responsibility and the concept of family are dead…didn’t you know…it’s all about societal responsibility now
I guess the part about old people starving on the streets in America in the 1930s were just not important? Society is your family. Your lack of socialization, duty and American identity are why you aren’t Americans. You are traitors, thieves and fools.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:33 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
can you even read Ralph?
Says the jackass who just argued that the headline, ‘Uninsured 22-Year-Old Boehner Constituent Dies From Swine Flu’ isn’t completly ‘accurate’
Go back to work, jackaassronk.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:35 pmPoor aaronk is like most Republicans. They don’t want to hold any guilt or responsibility for their greed and selfishness, so they whine not my problem. They’re happy to reap the rewards of a civilized society, but want none of its responsibilities for themselves.
While the whine and complain about others not having any responsibilities, they reject their own as good Republican Hypocrites always do.
Aaronk, you are a predictable fraud.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:35 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
can you even read Ralph? My first posts referenced this as being very tragic….amazing
You expected that to pad your following b.s.? Sorry, libs here aren’t buying it.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:36 pmaaronk says:
yeah, I learned how to stereotype everyone from this website….considering how according to you guys all people who disagree with you are evil Republicans who work for big healthcare or big insurance.
Project much? All you do is stereotype liberal people, and then when when your words classify you? It isn’t stereotyping when the person is behaving that way. It’s called a fact. You are a selfish irresponsible petty fraud.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:37 pmShitbeetlebrain
My GOD you are stupid. Ralph, like all sentient beings has an IQ that puts your little peabrain in the toilet. I regularly scrape things off my shoe smarter than you will EVER be
September 25th, 2009 at 7:37 pmOh, really?
Yeah… the pathos is just dripping from your sensitive prose, erronk.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:37 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Politically Superior says:
Hoodathunk says:
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Was that smile not worth more than some CEO’s BMW?
Depends what BMW we’re talking about. The 2009 M3?
Sociopaths like you aren’t funny, you’re pathetic and a shameful to our society. We should have put you in a locked up mental facility long ago, and shame on us as a society for letting you roam free. Universal health care would pay for the care you so desperately need.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:38 pmshitbeetlebrain says:
Shame on you using somebodies
>>>>>>>>>>
Shame on YOU for wasting oxygen a higher lifeform could be using. Perhaps bread mold. Just kill yourself you ignorant pile of dogshit
September 25th, 2009 at 7:39 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
conservative guy says:
Is there anything more despicable than liberals?
Projecting republicans with no sense of shame for one. You know. Like you…
September 25th, 2009 at 7:40 pmYeah. For instance, I still haven’t figured out which part of the headline of this article erronk says is inaccurate.
That’s how slow I am.
So how about it, erronk? Which part of this:
Uninsured 22-Year-Old Boehner Constituent Dies From Swine Flu
is not accurate?
September 25th, 2009 at 7:40 pm#166,
can you read?
are you “pee wee” too?
:|
your comments start at #66,
nothing there about concern.
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later,
“I think all lives are of equal measure”
#123,
“I live in a low-cost area of the midwest, and our estimated average cost for this type of treatment is less than $100. I am curious as to if a public option would have prevented this tragic death, because it is very possible that if this woman and/or her family couldn’t afford the above care out of pocket, they might not have also been able to afford the public option premium, co-pay, or medicinal costs.”
*
the sympathy of a nazi bureaucrat.
:\
:|
September 25th, 2009 at 7:41 pmaaronk says:
under socialized healthcare this woman (and probably thousands more) would have had to wait so long for ANY TYPE OF CARE (see all other socialized healthcare nations) that not only would she have died, but many more would have also. You are truly truly SICK!!!
That’s a lie. Wait times are not for urgent care, but for specialists.
Do you ever tire of being a lying immoral fool?
September 25th, 2009 at 7:41 pmPolitically Superior says:
If she didn’t have AIDs you don’t need to go to a doctor to recover from a flu. You stay home, drink lots of fluids and sleep a lot.
Yeah… no one dies of the flu unless they have AIDS…
1918- flu kills 20 to 40 million people worldwide.
1981- AIDS first reported…
http://virus.stanford.edu/uda/
Boy I hope you get to the Emerald City…
‘Cause you need a brain, a heart and some courage…
JACKASS.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:41 pmThe only place “saying so” makes it true is within your tiny, malfunctioning mind, erronk.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:41 pmPolitically Stupid. Trolls like pee patty, aaronk and dung heap, I just find silly and dumb, but you are the type I would like to meet in person. To bad we can’t work that out some how.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:41 pmTell us aaronk, if those wait times are so bad and people just die, why do countries with universal health care also have universally longer lives?
September 25th, 2009 at 7:42 pm****
#189,
ah the gloves come off
and we see the real “compassion”.
:|
September 25th, 2009 at 7:42 pmPolitically Superior says:
Look at her dread locks and hippy knit hat. Yup, typical multi-cultral loving liberal. Was the AIDs worth that minority boy friend? Guess not. Well at least she died for a cause she most likely believed in.
R.I.P
Flagged. Racist sociopath. Everyone, please flag and email TP to get rid of this psycho.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:43 pmconservative guy says:
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Is there anything more despicable than liberals?
You had to ask? Reagan, Gingrich, Boehner, Bachmann, Inhoffe, Bunning, King, Beck, Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity, I don’t want to spend all night on this one thing but these examples will work, o.k.?
September 25th, 2009 at 7:44 pmconservativaTROLL
sure there is. Conservotraitor shitweasels like you who should have killed yourself long ago and who bring shame to their trailertrash whore mothers for not drowning YOU at birth
September 25th, 2009 at 7:45 pmBoy, I sure hope we can patent our health care system, because all the other industrialized nations that have various stages of socialized health care are gonna want to get on board our bus with for-profit health care.
… what?
… they’re NOT?
But… how could that be?
September 25th, 2009 at 7:45 pmPolitically idiotic, in re: your post #174
um. thousands of people die from the flu every year. There’s even been massive epidemics of death from various flu strains over the years. For example, in 1918 50 – 100 million people died, and 500 million (estimated) were infected worldwide from the spanish flu. Guess what? Aids wasn’t even around then. Go back under your rock, since you clearly haven’t been paying attention to ANYTHING in the world except your own navel.
Sometimes I wonder how certain people even manage to survive in this world… when the level of their ignorance is simply jaw dropping.
ok, i’ll stop feeding the trolls now.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:45 pm***
ps, aaronk, twajie and cg get together and
gang rape the memory of this young life.
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September 25th, 2009 at 7:45 pmConservatives/Republicans/Libertarians only have compassion for their own wallets. They have no patriotism, no duty, no civic responsibility. It’s all me, me, me with them. It’s why every republican president in the past century has had a Recession or Depression. You have to care about the people and the country to run it competently.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:45 pmdung beetle says:
Calling ralph slow is like calling Newt Gingrich faithful and monogamous.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:45 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
dung beetle says:
How many people died in nancy pelosi’s district, today?
Most of Nancy’s district has universal health care. Or haven’t you heard her speak about that?
September 25th, 2009 at 7:46 pmIt amazes me that Republicans are going through all these hoops about health care to avoid the moral issue. This is the same party that has an anti-abortion platform based on a moral issue. The Republican position is that you have a right to be born, but after that you are on your own. They believe there is no moral obligation for a society not put people to death for crimes, to send its people to war for trivial reasons, or to have proper medical care during your lifetime. Only twisted logic can allow someone to have all these conflict ideas at the same time.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:46 pmaaronk, how would you know what its like in another country? I worked in England for six years, and when I got the flu and had a temp of 104, I had a doctor come to my flat. When was the last time a doctor in this country ever made a house call? By the way I waited about 3 hours after my girl called before the doctor showed up.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:47 pmaaronk says: 89
My GOD you are a liar. An unbeleivably STUPID liar. You LOVE to lie. Lying brings you sheer joy. It is the very essence of your being. That is being a liar. This is probably one of the many reasons you have no soul. Nothing decent could stand to be anywhere near your putrid existance. You make all decent human beings sick to our stomachs
September 25th, 2009 at 7:47 pmaaronk says:
ralph, this article is meant to imply that this would have been prevented with a public option or some form of government healthcare. That simply isn’t the case!
Or affordable health care? Or single payer? The article states she died because she didn’t have affordable access to health care. The solution in infer from it is your own paranoia, fear and ignorance showing. Nothing more.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:47 pmconservative guy says:
Is there anything more despicable than liberals?
Yes there is. It’s a ‘conservative guy.’ Way more despicable, if I may add.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:48 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
shitbeetlebrain
A more relevant question is when are you going to kill yourself for the good of all mankind?
September 25th, 2009 at 7:49 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
pags2 says:
It amazes me that Republicans are going through all these hoops about health care to avoid the moral issue.
That’s because they are inherently immoral people. It’s why they are drawn to religious crutches where they believe that everyone needs religion otherwise they wouldn’t be moral. It’s nothing more than their own lack of a moral compass that makes them believe this. Republicans are nothing more than individuals for whom moral relativism is honed to a fine art of deflection, diversion and dishonesty bound tightly with hypocrisy and selfishness.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:49 pmaaronk says:
hey jackass…early treatment for the flu would not have been considered “urgent care”. When it became urgent, she would have received the exact same kind of insufficient care that she unfortunately just received.
Are you a doctor? Does swine flu require a specialist? What does early treatment have to do with a prolonged sickness which is what she had? The only jackass is you for intentionally lying and showing what a heartless immoral jerk you are.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:51 pmkwsventures, Give us a source for your claim of this great health plan.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:51 pmMy condolences to Ms. Young’s family.
conservative freak @ 185 – you are the worst.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:52 pmdung beetle you’re just as bad.
aaronk says:
ralph, this article is meant to imply that this would have been prevented with a public option or some form of government healthcare. That simply isn’t the case!
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You are a liar and a fool. An ignorant lying piece of sewage. First you have NO way of knowing some form of national healthcare would not have prevented this. ABSOLUTLY a universal healthcare would have prevented this. You dont really care if what you say is true though because you are a LIAR. A liar a punk and a brainwashed moron. Second they make no such implication. They show only that THIS is one of the things wrong with OUR system. What a souless lying piece of filth you are
September 25th, 2009 at 7:52 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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#216,
you’re really in the tertiary stage,
aren’t you twajie?
8 )
got any fox-sucker
ratings to go with that?
:)
September 25th, 2009 at 7:53 pmralph, this article is meant to imply that this would have been prevented with a public option or some form of government healthcare. That simply isn’t the case!
As you so helpfully pointed out, jackaasronk… the treatment had she gone to the doctor early would have probably been about $100.
Her roommate suggests she didn’t because she didn’t have INSURANCE and was worried about costs.
She died.
You’re a jackass?
Do you get it yet?
September 25th, 2009 at 7:53 pmFLAGGED YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF POND SCUM.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:53 pmShe is sadly one of 22,000 who die each year from lack of health care insurance, according to the Urban Institute.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.urban.org%2FUploadedPDF%2F411588_uninsured_dying.pdf&ei=9Fe9SrSoBcHT8AbB47ieAQ&usg=AFQjCNEvLkvUneKT_skM5qhcIvmedQkghw&sig2=rTj22Mm3Ui6R9y9w4mKs3g
September 25th, 2009 at 7:54 pm***
#226,
going off the rails,
chris wallace style.
:)
September 25th, 2009 at 7:54 pmkwsventures says:
A 22 year old could get a health insurance policy for around $82.00 per month with a $50.00 copay. Now, I wonder how much that cell phone costs per month? More than $82.00? It comes down to priorities.
Prove it. In her state? Or did you just make that up like you have a habit of doing? Do you do house inspections by chance? You sound like a know it all that knows nothing.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:54 pmunder socialized healthcare this woman (and probably thousands more) would have had to wait so long for ANY TYPE OF CARE (see all other socialized healthcare nations) that not only would she have died, but many more would have also. You are truly truly SICK!!!
Oopsie you pathetic jerk. We have the best health care system in the world and she died. As will many others who can’t afford to see a doctor. In seeing other countries with socialized health care, I notice a much lower mortality rate for everything than we have here in good old 37th ranked US. I’m not sick, I can read.
You, on the other hand, are sick. And not just because you can’t read.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:54 pmDr Venture you worthless piece of shit. Yes priorities. WE care about lives and soulless subhuman moron that you are you care ONLY about profits. You Ebenezer Scrooge worshipping punkass troll
September 25th, 2009 at 7:54 pmaaronk says:
under socialized healthcare this woman (and probably thousands more) would have had to wait so long for ANY TYPE OF CARE (see all other socialized healthcare nations) that not only would she have died, but many more would have also. You are truly truly SICK!!!
You really believe that nonsense? I keep posting this link, among others, and none of our “conservatives” bother to read it. Pretty much everything you seem to believe about health care in other countries is just wrong. Wrong.
Just scroll up a little on this page and read Shayne’s comment about her daughter.
From the link:
September 25th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
aaronk says:
oh, you forgot “saying so” makes it true for every ignorant liberal post on this board also
You’re the one making claims you can’t back up. Explains your sensitivity when you’re called out as a liar.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:55 pmaaronk, I ask again…What country outside of the US have you lived in? If you have never been anywhere, how do you know anything about how their health care system works?
September 25th, 2009 at 7:55 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
It comes down to priorities.
Sure does… why do you value insurance company profits over our citizens lives and well being?
All comes down to priorities and yours are messed up…
September 25th, 2009 at 7:55 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
The trolls are melting down tonight, too much truth for them to handle.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:56 pm***
#228,
twajie,
i think you’re going to
get scrubbed for that one.
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September 25th, 2009 at 7:56 pmaaronk says
My GOD you are SO stupid and SUCH a liar. Early care of the swine flu obviously WOULD have been considered critical care so it didnt become an epidemic you monstrously stupid cretin.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:56 pmdung beetle says:
Most of Nancy’s district has universal health care.
Welfare?
So you didn’t know. That explains your ignorant response. Go educate yourself and come back when you don’t look like such an unprepared child.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:57 pmIf your kids watch Delay dancing they will turn inward, sexually, and be gaii
September 25th, 2009 at 7:57 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
dung beetle says:
You should probably kill yourself immediatly since no one in the world could possibly stand to be anywhere near a disgusting pile of dogshit like you
September 25th, 2009 at 7:57 pm#239, Please name the place and time, and I’ll be on my bike and on the way. I can even make it easy for you, I may have club brothers who live in your city or state who could pass on my message.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:58 pm***
#241,
lines up for his turn.
*
…..
September 25th, 2009 at 7:58 pmkwsventures says:
A 22 year old could get a health insurance policy for around $82.00 per month with a $50.00 copay. Bull. For that amount of money you can only get a supplemental policy for Medicare to cover those costs not paid by Medicare. And those policies have high deductibles. I know that from personal experience.
September 25th, 2009 at 7:59 pmthe liberal philosophy is not just for people to have their cake & eat it too, but to have a conservative pay for the cake to begin with
Conservatives don’t pay for jack… they buy everything on everyone else’s credit… here:
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
Do you get tired of being a jackass?
September 25th, 2009 at 7:59 pmMy daughter’s old gym teacher just lost his wife to this flu last week. She was in her 40s had no other complications and had insurance. For all you insufferable trolls, you better watch out for karma.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:00 pmI’m uninsured and terrified to get sick ..hell I’m terrified to get a toothache.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:00 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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#247,
you mean like “robin hood”?
you have quite a facile mind.
:)
September 25th, 2009 at 8:00 pmaaronk: hey jackass…early treatment for the flu would not have been considered “urgent care”. When it became urgent, she would have received the exact same kind of insufficient care that she unfortunately just received.
Wrong again. From the CDC: If you become ill and experience any of the following warning signs, seek emergency medical care.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:00 pmaaronk says:
the liberal philosophy is not just for people to have their cake & eat it too, but to have a conservative pay for the cake to begin with
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You are just a lying piece of dogshit. You dont pay for liberals like me you souless punk. I probably put out more in TIPS than you pay in taxes. You disgust all decent human beings you ignorant pile of dogshit
September 25th, 2009 at 8:00 pm***
#256,
you have to go to the insurance company.
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September 25th, 2009 at 8:01 pmIm thinking that if I google wika wakka tube tube for swine flu costs it would be pretty large.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:01 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Politically Superior
You drank that 64oz of STFU and it has no effect, what’s up with that?
September 25th, 2009 at 8:01 pmkwsventures says:
Kaiser HMO… get a quote online. … the cheapest policy available for a 22 year old… $50.00 copay. … It might be cheaper in Ohio. I put in my California zip code to get the quote.
Her zipcode isn’t covered there. Sorry, but once again GOP incompetence comes through.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:01 pmaaronk: we do have the best healthcare in the world. In order to take advantage of it, you have to go to the doctor though.
Wrong again. Whew. You’re really racking up the points today.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:02 pmshitbeetlebrain
More free ignorance from you. When are you going to just kill yourself? The stench of your soulessness is making all decent humans nauseus you subhuman piece of sewage
September 25th, 2009 at 8:03 pm***
#254,
you’ll need penicillin
to go with it, twajie.
:::
September 25th, 2009 at 8:03 pmHow would obamacare saved this woman?
How would education saved your brain? Think hard. It worth it.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:03 pmdung beetle says:
Welfare?
That’s predominantly in the red states. You know, low taxes, full of freedom, religious, no good jobs, clinging to guns, and so on.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:03 pmFlag these trolls smearing this young girl.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:03 pmaaronk’s fantasy: He is a fully functional adult with a wife and children.
aaronk’s reality: He is spending his Friday night parked at his computer because a girl dying of swine flu apparently arouses him that much.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:03 pmaaronk says:
angels81 says:
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aaronk, I ask again…What country outside of the US have you lived in? If you have never been anywhere, how do you know anything about how their health care system works?
it’s called research….it’s much more effective than anecdotal experiences….you should try it sometime
So you’re basing all of your opinions on GOP blogs. That’s what we thought. You have no first hand knowledge, and you’re trying to pretend to be an expert. That’s what’s called ignorant.
And what research have you done? By every international measure socialized countries have better access and more longevity than the US does. The US system is only great if you’re wealthy, otherwise it’s well below access in other countries. We have the most expensive health care, and it’s the least effective.
What ever you are reading, it’s not research. It’s propaganda.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:04 pmaaronk says:
we do have the best healthcare in the world. In order to take advantage of it, you have to go to the doctor though.
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You are a liar. All you do is lie constantly. We are 37th on the quality list. My GOD you are stupid
September 25th, 2009 at 8:04 pmaaronk, still waiting for you to tell us what other country you have lived in. You say we have the best health care in the world, and you base that on what? The world health ranks The US 37th.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:04 pmit’s called research….it’s much more effective than anecdotal experiences….you should try it sometime
And if you had you’d know that we spend more and recieve less than any other industrialized nation on EARTH… you know the rest.
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aaronk says:
The only thing YOU know about research MORON is how to spell it.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:05 pmaaronk: it’s called research….it’s much more effective than anecdotal experiences….you should try it sometime
Those anecdotal experiences will bite your research on the ass. Some of us actually know people who live in other countries and have traveled to those other countries.
How about you offer the sources for your research?
September 25th, 2009 at 8:05 pm***
#267,
twajie if you lived forever you’d
still have to keep paying for it.
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those zit scars of yours are so ugly.
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September 25th, 2009 at 8:05 pmI don’t know if she saw a doctor or not. All I know is you don’t have to have HIV to die from this flu and you heinous pieces of cr#p should stop smearing this young girl.
As I said, my daughter had the Euro flu in Germany and was seen 4 different times immediately at no charge. Quit telling lies.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:06 pmkwsventures, the country voted for change. If you don’t like the changes YOU LEAVE THIS COUNTRY. We’re not going anywhere.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:07 pmThis reminds me of the old TV series “Naked City” and right under John Boehner’s nose. This is not tough love, as conservative like to preach, but callous disregard for human life and the corrupting influence of the almighty dollar. And there will be no shame for allowing this tragedy to happen.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:07 pmYeh lets give all of our money to a few people and create royalty…give them your and my cake yeh yeh
September 25th, 2009 at 8:08 pmaaronk, you are like the guy who has never been in combat, telling me you know what its like because you have read about in books. I lived in a country that has single payer system and know how it works. I didn’t read it in some book or have some TV talking head tell me what its like.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:08 pmkwsventures says:
So YOUR brainwashed version of freedom is the freedom to make money off of the DEATHS of your fellow Americans. You are just disgusting, souless and sickening. It didnt cost anyone any freedom to pay seniors SS or to take care of their Medicare and only the stupidest people on the planet as you clearly are take seriously the argument that taking care of those in need is taking freedom from anyone. You are truly brainwashed beyond all human comprehension.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:08 pmShayne: As I said, my daughter had the Euro flu in Germany and was seen 4 different times immediately at no charge. Quit telling lies.
That obviously cannot be true, Shayne, because aaronk’s “research” tells us so.
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#272,
shayne,
they are getting frenzied, aren’t they?
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tp,
this young girl’s parents could be reading
this post. i don’t think they should have to
see what these trolls are doing to her memory.
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thank you.
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September 25th, 2009 at 8:09 pmWiping out the disease of repug would be a major step.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:10 pmThey’re impossible o get rid of, like roaches.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:11 pmdung beetle says:
Not one of these far left loons can tell us how obamacare would have saved this young woman. Very telling, to say the least.
None you you right wing extremists care that people are dying because your selfishness, extremism and radical disloyal values.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:12 pmBonercare=phuck off and die poor people.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:12 pmaaronk says:
we do have the best healthcare in the world.
Uh, hey moron, the FRENCH have the best healthcare in the world, we are 37th.
But please, keep posting your moronworld crap, keeps a clear picture of what Republicans are all about.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:12 pmdung heap, if we had a real public option that small company’s like a coffee shop could afford to buy into this women would have been covered.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:13 pmdung beetle says:
Not one of these far left loons can tell us how obamacare would have saved this young woman. Very telling, to say the least.
Nothing?
Nothing? No remorse? No compassion? No guilt? Because it’s you and people like you that murdered her with your greed and selfishness. Her death is on your hands, and you don’t care. You are a sociopath and a psycho.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:13 pmdung beetle says:
Not one of these far left loons can tell us how obamacare would have saved this young woman. Very telling, to say the least.
– - “That’s the most tragic part about it. If she had insurance, she would have gone to the doctor,” Mowery said.
Telling, indeed.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:13 pmindividual priorities are part of true freedom. Statist cradle to grave coverage is not true freedom. I want true freedom. You want the state to take care of you, therefore, giving up true freedom.
“True freedom” brought us maximum destruction. Now we’re trying to clean it up, see? “True freedom” is lawlessness. This whole “Freedom” schtick is cover for all-out crime. Do you think “True freedom” wouldn’t turn around to bite you in the ass?
Also: Sarah Palin is not available tomorrow evening, no matter how much you kiss up to every stupid word that comes out of her mouth.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:13 pmShitBeetleBrain. My GOD you are too stupid to live. Universal healthcare would have assured she could see a doctor when she got sick. That would have saved her. My GOD just go kill yourself. You have no soul. You have no brain. You have nothing to look forward to in the rest of your sad pathetic life but the pity of decent humans you subhuman moron.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:14 pmLunatics don’t think requiring insurance would prevent someone from not having insurance. Talk about stupid! LOL! That’s what happens when millions of Republican children get home schooled! ;)
September 25th, 2009 at 8:14 pmThe trolls celebrate their ignorance, like getting a degree from a major university. Of course they can move on to talk hate radio and earn their masters of ignorance.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:15 pmaaronk, still waiting for you to tell us where else you have lived. You and dung heap seem to know what its like in other countries, so which one’s have you lived in?
September 25th, 2009 at 8:15 pmBuckie Boy says:
Uh, hey moron, the FRENCH have the best healthcare…
– - I think the appropriate term is now, “moran.”
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#306,
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September 25th, 2009 at 8:16 pmaaronk says:
we do have the best healthcare in the world.
No we don’t. We aren’t even ranked in the top 30.
We have individual specialists and hospitals that are some of the best in the world, but they are not alone. There are equivalent versions all through the industrialized world with specialists who are ahead of us. That’s why Rock Hudson went to France to get treatment for AIDS – one of the highest profile cases of health care tourism ever! ;)
September 25th, 2009 at 8:17 pmkwsventures, its all about you huh?
September 25th, 2009 at 8:18 pm- – The mighty troll flexes his internet muscles and points and clicks, vote down!
Alas, I am but wounded my liege.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:18 pmLibertarian Righty Mansonite Ssssssssssnakes.
Fathers of The Great Turnip Truck Rebellion of ‘09.
WIll history be kinder to them than to W? Doubt it.
dead girl haters. that’s as classy as hatin’ gets.
i don’t really hope they never get to understand how that feels.
Narcissus himself is humble, by comparison.
ick.
happy friday non-ssssssnakes!
September 25th, 2009 at 8:20 pm***
#307,
make that a permanent plank
of the republican party platform.
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contact them here.
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September 25th, 2009 at 8:20 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Yep, we need a King and Queen aaron. Whosay. Palin and Jindal. Ja. King Bobby and Queen Palin. Forever and ever you betcha. Maybe like instead Kaiser Romney or Caesar Gingrich. Marvelous. Bow. Maybe yanno whats his name King Perry. Has a nice ring doan it aaron. King Perry. Ooo Ooo King Ahnold. Yah. Awemongus. Bow.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:21 pmkwsventures says:
YOU are a subhuman moron. You are a liar and a fool. No one is talking about communism. We are talking about universal healthcare. It works in Britian, France, Japan. It works in Finnland and Belgium. My GOD you are stupid. You KNOW you are stupid so you go to your talking point grab bag and start talking about communism because that is JUST how stupid you are. Of COURSE you dont like SS and Medicare. Before SS half of all seniors died in poverty. THAT is what you want. Poverty and death of your fellow Americans so that MONEY can make more profit. Since no rich man gets a cut of SS or Medicare you HATE it. You HATE poor and old people and want them to DIE because that is the kind of souless piece of shit you are. You WANT Americans to die so rich people can get more profits. You are subhuman. I am ashamed to be the same species as you assuming we ARE the same species as sick and stupid as you are I am not convinced
September 25th, 2009 at 8:22 pmDiscussing substantive issues with these trolls is akin to the Monty Python argument sketch. They are contrary but no argument.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:23 pmkwsventures says:
Debs, I don’t believe in your communist agenda.
Project much? No one believes in your libertarian fascist agenda.
kwsventures says:
It doesn’t work too well in North Korea or Cuba.
It doesn’t work well in Somalia, so your opinion is worthless.
Tell me, how does Cuba stand up against Haiti. They’re a good free market equivalent right next door. And they’re mostly lawless libertarians just like yourself…
kwsventures says:
Not enough freedom for my taste.
Somalia and Haiti have plenty of freedom, if you can bribe, shoot or blackmail your way into getting what you want (kind of like the GOP isn’t it?). Maybe you’d do well! ;)
kwsventures says:
I don’t like social security as it is set up.
Yet the majority of Americans do. That’s what happens in a Democracy. Don’t like it, move to Somalia.
kwsventures says:
I don’t like medicare, either.
Then don’t use it, or move to Somalia.
kwsventures says:
Both are set up poorly costly and bankrupt plans.
Both are cheap, and are considered to be two of the best run government programs in history. Both only have about 2% overhead, which isn’t costly. If you mean you believe we shouldn’t provide those services because they’re too expensive, that’s ironic in light of the GOP expenditures in Iraq and how you subsidize the Oil industry to the tune of 200 billion a year… ;)
kwsventures says:
Social Security should be an individual account that can be inherited by your heirs.
That’s called a 401k. We already have that. Social Security is an insurance plan.
kwsventures says:
Not a stupid plan that goes poof when you die.
You mean an insurance plan? Put your money in a 401k, and when it evaporates on wall street as many americans had happen over the past decade, you’ll be happy for social security saving your ignorant butt.
kwsventures says:
Imagine all those people that paid into social security, died before even getting a dime back. That is B.S.
Yeah, just like all of those people that paid car insurance and never got to have a car wreck. Or Healthy people that paid insurance and never had to see the doctor. That is B.S., right? LOL! You really don’t get insurance do you? It explains your lunatic blabber! ;)
September 25th, 2009 at 8:24 pmkwsventures says:
There is no such thing as a Democrat Congress. Since you are so bone crushingly stupid you dont even know the name of the largest political party in America just STFU and stop humiliating yourself you brainwashed pool of sewage
September 25th, 2009 at 8:24 pmrepugs want to have the balls and the teabags too.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:24 pmconservative guy says:
Is there anything more despicable than liberals?
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Definitely
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dung beetle says:
Bush is at fault for Katrina….Bohner is at fault for this girls death. Nothing is barney frank, nancy pelosi, harry reid, jack murtha or president obams fault. Any questions?
September 25th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
September 25th, 2009 at 8:24 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Every time a young person dies due to lack, whether lack of food, or shelter, or attention, or in this case, health care, we are all poorer. When will people recognize that helping their neighbors benefits all of us? My heart goes out to her family. W
September 25th, 2009 at 8:25 pmkws: Then why is it so hard to get your change with a democrat prez and congress? You have the majority. Yet, I hear lots of talk. No change action. Interesting.
The Democrats have been attempting to be democratic, a process that takes longer than the autocratic approach used by the Republicans when they held majorities in both houses and the White House. Their error was thinking that the GOP gave a rat’s patootie about Americans.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:25 pmkwsventures says:
Shayne says:
kwsventures, the country voted for change. If you don’t like the changes YOU LEAVE THIS COUNTRY. We’re not going anywhere.
Then why is it so hard to get your change with a democrat prez and congress? You have the majority. Yet, I hear lots of talk. No change action. Interesting.
Because a hand full of Democratic Senators don’t realize what America voted for? You call them Blue Dogs, I call them idiots. Like you.
Actually the congress has had plenty of action, including a stimulus package that probably saved you from going bankrupt even though you’re too foolish to know it.
But keep saying silly things, it’s what children do.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:25 pmIt’s hard to put into words how repulsive & ignorant Boehner is. He cares NOTHING about his voters, NOTHING about real Americans. He cares only for rich people, Repubs, & those who have so much health care insurance (like himself) that they just don’t give a damn about anyone else. He is a sleazy, disgusting, stupid man. Death panels???? – the Repubs/right-wing idiots are the true definition of this term. They want to let people die– anyone who might not vote for them. And their tea-bagging idiot supporters are too stupid to see that Boehner, DeMint, etc. are lobbying to cancel all their insurance– these tea-bagging buffoons will be left with nothing but horrendous private insurance costs, which will line the greedy pockets of Boehner, DeMint, & all the other Repub liars & hate-mongers.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:26 pmLibertarian Manson Cult Zombies don’t need arguments, or ideas (other than “get, keep, and blame”)
they just chant slogans.
sick, mean, soulless slogans.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:27 pmkwsventures says:
Only the stupidest people on the planet like you CLEARLY are take your ignorant false dichotomy seriously. Face it you are a MORON. You are always going to BE a moron. Your stupidity does NOT define reality
September 25th, 2009 at 8:27 pmYeh, their elevator muzak doesnt go to the top where the porch light isnt on – - or something like that.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:28 pmYeh, their elevator muzak doesnt go to the top where the porch light isnt on – - or something like that.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:28 pmI don’t know where that W came from.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:28 pmkwsventures says:
angels81 says:
kwsventures, its all about you huh?
Individual rights for all. Personal responsibility.
No man is an island. Responsibility is to family, community and society. Without both, you are nothing more than a child.
kwsventures says:
True freedom.
Another lost boy, seeking neverland. Yawn. Grow up already.
kwsventures says:
You might need someone to make all your decisions for you.
You mean like who people should be permitted to marry? Seems like you Republicans have no problems with that concept as long as you want the decision made in your own way.
kwsventures says:
I don’t want to give up the right for the individual to pursue their life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Every government intrusion into the individual’s life takes a more and more freedom.
Yeah, like Somalia. Go live there. No government intrusion – it’s perfect for a lost boy like you! You can even go and be a pirate! ;)
September 25th, 2009 at 8:28 pmsybiltroll, please stop reposting your voted down comments.
Gawd.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:29 pmIt’s evidently more than anough change to send people like you running to the hills, clutching their precious petticoats.
You really want more? Nice “rhetorical move” there – learn that in your g.e.d. Communications class, didja?
petty righty foxsucker.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:29 pmkwsventures says:
Just to be clear, communism means that the people own all forms of production. It’s the ultimate corporation, where democracy decides the vote. But that’s not what either Cuba or NK have. They have totalitarian corporatism. It’s more akin to your Conservative Corporatism of George Bush than it is liberalism. ;)
I’m happy to educate you, you’re in such need of my charity! I’m happy to be a little responsible for your lacking education. ;)
September 25th, 2009 at 8:32 pmThere is no excuse for this young woman dying due to lack of health insurance. Why are repugs so against insuring the less fortunate in our country? Im not religous but im going to try praying tonight. Im going to pray that boner and every other politician who is against healthcare dies an untimly death. The sooner the better.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:32 pmtom, do you think it would be helpful if we help kissassvulture understand the finer points the bicameral system with cloture provisions? Nah. I’m sure he wouldn’t even be able to process the vocabulary… ;)
September 25th, 2009 at 8:33 pmkwsventures says:
Individual rights for all. Personal responsibility. True freedom. You might need someone to make all your decisions for you. I don’t want to give up the right for the individual to pursue their life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Every government intrusion into the individual’s life takes a more and more freedom.
What freedoms are you losing with Social Security or the public option? None. There is no fundamental or Constitutional right involved. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness have nothing to do with money. There is nothing in the Constitution that guarantees the right to capitalism in this country.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:34 pmAnd during the time, say…when the patriot act was passed, you werent at all questioning the wisdom of giving up some your rights for a little security that you should have anyway?
September 25th, 2009 at 8:35 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
smug little fops like kws never concede – they’re too deeply in love with themselves to see by any other light.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:35 pmpags2 says:
What freedoms are you losing with Social Security or the public option? None. There is no fundamental or Constitutional right involved. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness have nothing to do with money. There is nothing in the Constitution that guarantees the right to capitalism in this country.
Capitalism didn’t exist until the 19th century. It’s a modern economic system that has no basis in our Constitution, our national fabric, our duty, our rights or our values.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:36 pmjust the bleepn facts says:
Do you understand the concept of voted-down posts?
:)
September 25th, 2009 at 8:36 pmThe sad thing is that the only health care system that can seriously prevent this sort of thing is a single payer system. As it stands, it looks like the public option will be so watered down it will be irrelevant in the marketplace.
As an American who lived in Canada let me tell you how it would have worked there. She would have gotten sick, called a doctor and seen them that day or maybe the next, then gone to the pharmacy and paid next to nothing for the meds she needed. That is how it always was for me there. I never waited, and it was cheap with the Dr. visit being free. If she decided to buy a pair of blue jeans along the way should would have paid 15% sales tax, which is much more than the US, but what she got was a bargain for the money.
In the US it would have gone like this if she HAD insruance: She would have called her HMO or PPO, found someone in network. Would have had to wait to see the proper in network Dr., then would have had to pay anywhere from 20-100% of the cost depending on her deductible or co-pay. Then she would have had to pay 10 times the price for her meds at the pharmacy than a Canadian would.
I am speaking from personal experience. I lived in Canada four years, this is how it goes. Sure, in Canada there are higher taxes but you know what I WOULD GLADLY STOP PAYING MY HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANY MONEY AND PAY HIGHER TAXES IF I WAS GETTING THE KIND OF HEALTH CARE IN THE US THAT I GOT IN CANADA. IT WAS A BARGAIN.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:37 pm…
gambled away by frat boys on Wall Street is the kind of brilliant scheme you’ll hear from the mawkish mouth of a smug little fop like kws.
He’d sleep just fine knowing he’d feathered his nest with somebody else’s Grandmother’s grocery money.
Cause he’s classy like that. Just check out his pastel-striped golf polo with corporate logo!!
September 25th, 2009 at 8:38 pmI suspect kwsventures, inspite of his defense of capitalism, knows neither the value, or cost, of anything.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:38 pmkwsventures says:
Social security as an individual account that can be inherited by your heirs would be the greatest gift.
It’s called a 401k. We already have what you’re describing.
Social Security is an Insurance, and it’s why the rates are so cheap compared to what a retirement account would cost.
kwsventures says:
A boom to the standard of living of all citizens and future generations.
If that were true, then the 401k would have already done this.
kwsventures says:
Not the current bankrupt system that goes poof when you die. … Think and grow rich…. Good night.
You think a system with trillions in reserve is bankrupt?
You should follow your own advice and think, because that’s a stupid remark from a stupid petty little fool…
When you understand what insurance means, come back and talk to the adults. In the meanwhile, you are boring, ignorant and uninformed and your posts and your very existence is a waste of the time space continuum.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:39 pmkwsventures says:
You are stupid. You are pathetic and you worship Mammon and Ebenezer Scrooge. SS is one way we show we are all in this together which is what you hate about it. Someone as stupid as YOU would have invested all your cash in Enron, Worldcom, Global crossing then snivel like the PUNK you are that you didnt have anything WWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH. Half of all seniors died in poverty which is what you WANT. In your example the only ASSURED winner is WALL ST. MONEY. That is all you care about you souless subhuman moron
September 25th, 2009 at 8:39 pmkwsventures. good night and hope you don’t get too sick tonight, because if you do. that acne you had as a teenager might get you dropped from your wonderful health insurance you have. Sleep tight.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:39 pmtombaker says:
smug little fops like kws never concede – they’re too deeply in love with themselves to see by any other light.
Yeah. It’s a mental illness. It can’t be cured currently, only the behaviors of those that suffer it can be ridiculed as a moral society should.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:40 pmRepublicans have no values other than greed and selfishness…
September 25th, 2009 at 8:41 pmThose private accounts would have been wonderful for anyone who needed to retire right after the recent financial meltdown right?
September 25th, 2009 at 8:41 pmindividual priorities are part of true freedom. Statist cradle to grave coverage is not true freedom. I want true freedom. You want the state to take care of you, therefore, giving up true freedom.
True freedom is something like what Afghanistan has right now.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:42 pmWorship Ebenezer. Yeh. King Nezer. Bow. Fantabulous.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:46 pmShe looks like a young and beautiful woman. If she was my sister or wife I would be facing life in prison right now.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:47 pmIt gets me so fcking angry that there are politicians who are fighting against healthcare reform. I wouldn`t be able to control my emotions if a loved one died because of repugs holding up healthcare reform. If I was close enough to one of them I would kill them with my bare hands. I know what im saying is harsh and it does go against my liberal beliefs. The bottom line is people are dying for no reason other than the fact that there is alot of money involved. Repugs and wingnuts who are against insuring your fellow Americans, FCK OFF AND DIE!
Horatio Alger wore the teeth off that saw a hundred years ago.
I’ll pitch in a couple bucks so these tiresome pests can go buy themselves a couple new ideas to jabber about.
Anyone who thinks they’re “free” now, is higher than a Phish audience.
“Freedom’s just a word that’s used, by those who want to use.”
September 25th, 2009 at 8:47 pmIn this country, you get as much healthcare as you can afford, also as much Justice as you can afford, and as much Freedom as you can afford. seems like we ought to have a few things that don’t go to the highest bidder.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:49 pmPensions follow the same rules as Social Security. If you have a surviving spouse they will receive the benefits. If you do not have a surviving spouse, then you lose the benefits. These rules have existed since SS and pensions were started. There are many blue collar workers that have company or union pensions. Nothing prevents anyone from saving for retirement in an IRA or 401k. SS or pensions are similar to insurance. You are making a bet that is insured. The bet may or may not pay off. Think car insurance.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:50 pmkwsventures is dragging the name of this company into the ground:
KWS Ventures
September 25th, 2009 at 8:54 pm5247 Mare Creek Dr
Crestview, FL 32539-8887(Fort Walton Beach, FL Metro Area)
Phone: (850) 423-0606
Boner and the GOP shills for the insurance industry must be celebrating at this girl’s funeral with how well the Free Market works. phucking scum.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:55 pmOh, schade! I thought I would be weeping for a bit, until the pathological responses of some trolls made me angry.
This health care “debate” is getting to be quite obscene.
All these idiot trolls clearly have not been following this epidemic from the beginning, and aren’t following it now.
This has been noticed and remarked on by virologists since this was limited to Mexico. Also, the fact that it was so active and devastating in such particularly warm weather. This is not your average flu, though
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If a person went to the emergency room and paid uninsured prices every time they had flu-like symptoms, they would be broke in no time. Hmmm. Rent or the emergency room? (where if I don’t have the flu now, I will certainly be more likely to have it after five or six hours in an emergency room). Food? Or the emergency room?
Young, otherwise healthy people are being debilitated with H1N1. It’s remarkable.
For the idiots asking what could “Obamacare” would do—you mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, anti-social POS—it would have gotten her an affordable vaccination. It would have given her the assurance that she could take herself to the hospital as soon as she became ill, instead of having to be taken there. It would have insured that she would not be put into penury or made homeless by an ER bill for a false alarm.
You pathologically selfish individuals also fail to realize that a vaccination would have made it less likely that she would infect YOU or anyone else. GET CANCER.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:58 pmOn Tuesday two of my friends were married. Recent college graduates, they were planning to marry next January. But just as the last semester ended, the woman’s excruciating headaches required brain surgery, and she rushed to have the operation before she lost her coverage under her parents’ plan. And post-op, as she lost her insurance, she tried to pay the massive premiums on an individual insurance plan that were marked up because of her ‘pre-existing condition’.
Unable to work because of her symptoms, they finally chose to get married right away so she could have coverage under her husband’s employer’s group plan. Thank God he has coverage in a large enough group that she will not be denied care for her ‘pre-existing’ condition.
THIS IS WHY WE NEED THE PUBLIC OPTION, PEOPLE!!!
September 25th, 2009 at 8:58 pmIn its 2008 study, the Commonwealth Fund found that 66 percent of young adults aged 19 to 29 who experienced a time without coverage in the past year said they had gone without it because of the cost.
This is a surprise to them? I thought everybody knew this. If you’re sick, you tough through it with Dayquil or bedrest, and hope you get better before the weekend. That’s just how it goes in America.
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Pat Pomery says:
Does the propaganda ever quit? Where was the outrage every time somebody died before obama came into office?
We were more concerned with the Iraqi war casualties back then, because the Bush administration refused to even begin to call an end to that war. Honestly, we’ve kind of got our hands full trying to deal with all of the ways that Republicans kill people.
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Pat Pomery says:
No. He was elected because he was going to “end” the wars. How’s that workin for ya?
A timetable for complete withdrawal has been set on Iraq. Afghanistan is being taken seriously for the first time in years.
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Politically Superior says:
Look at her dread locks and hippy knit hat. Yup, typical multi-cultral loving liberal. Was the AIDs worth that minority boy friend?
The modern right wing in America at work folks! Vote Republican! Read that post again and then ask yourself which side you want to be on. Christian? Moral? Care about anything? Be on the same side as “Politically Superior” and you’re guaranteed a nice warm spot next to him in eternal hellfire! Remember to vote GOP next year!
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aaronk says:
the liberal philosophy is not just for people to have their cake & eat it too, but to have a conservative pay for the cake to begin with
Y’all trailer trash don’t pay crap and you know it. I pay taxes. I want them to go to important things like this, instead of starting new wars in the middle East. Your kind sits in the trailer park and tells me I can’t use my tax dollars to help the sick, and instead should use them to kill Arabs.
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aaronk says:
we do have the best healthcare in the world.
We have the 37th best healthcare in the world. I now understand why you’ve been repeating right-wing opinions regarding health care. It was just a big misunderstanding on your part. Now that I have corrected you on this important matter of fact, I expect your opinion on the necessity of public health car to change.
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aaronk says:
it’s called research….it’s much more effective than anecdotal experiences…
YES! Go tell all your conservative friends! You know, the ones who keep citing anecdotal experience in political arguments.
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kwsventures says:
individual priorities are part of true freedom. Statist cradle to grave coverage is not true freedom. I want true freedom.
You want the freedom to not be able to afford to pay your medical bills, so that the hospital has to charge me $20 for aspirin.
You’re not only a freeloader, you’re also trying to deny me the right to pay for your care in a more efficient manner. It’s like the guy who comes over to drink your beer and then complains it isn’t good enough.
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kwsventures says:
Social security as an individual account that can be inherited by your heirs would be the greatest gift.
Yes, because rich people who couldn’t make any money on their own need to inherit even more money than they already do…
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austex_chris says:
The sad thing is that the only health care system that can seriously prevent this sort of thing is a single payer system.
Correct. If they don’t like public option, more of us should respond, “OK, single payer it is then.”
September 25th, 2009 at 8:58 pmrepugs are diabolical. these fools are the leftover chimpettes. Total idiots.
What is wrong with an option?
What is wrong with saving lives?
And you will start paying your fair share.
Stupid must feel real good to y’all.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:00 pmI dare the Senate to find a way out of giving US a public option in order to suit their contributors.. all hell will break loose.
I finally got thru via phone to my senators office Ron Wyden. My question was is he on board with public option YET.
The answer I got is he is ‘open’ to a public option. My reply was Wyden has his nerve to continue keeping US in limbo using the word open.
My guess is he will only vote for the public option to save his sorry arse if it appears it will not pass.
Wyden is up for re election ‘10… a poll by our Portland progressive radio station made it clear 95% will work hard supporting a candidate running against Wyden in the primary if he votes for his contributors.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:02 pmI know I will, had enough. I’ve had enough, too.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:04 pmMore proof that when right-wingers say they want to “reform” government programs, they really mean they want to destroy them.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:06 pmYou mean these protesters?
Thousands Hold Peaceful March at G-20 Summit
There must have been like, 2 million people there.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:15 pmralph the wonder llama says:
More proof that when right-wingers say they want to “reform” government programs, they really mean they want to destroy them.
The right wing wants to disassemble the whole social compact that the government has with its citizens in favor of more money. However, that is myopic because poor people will not disappear. Without the safety nets in the US, these right wingers might be looking down the barrel of a gun just like the last Russian czar.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:16 pmWhy reward these clowns with discourse? Most of these apologists probably don’t even believe the BS that they post here. These pathetic anti-socialists do love a great flame war, though. I simply squash their silly posts and pretend they don’t exist. Think of it as putting a virtual gag on their ability to get attention. Or sending the juvenile disrupter to the Dunce corner for rude/lewd behavior.
That’s how you really piss ‘em off. TP is one of those sites that exposes the entire Republican, anti-American agenda. They know they can’t argue their case logically, so they do the next best thing….drag the reasonable posters into their pig sty. Don’t let them do it. Simply vote them down and don’t give them the pleasure of seeing their nonsense block quoted and responded to.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:16 pmIt would be ridiculous to buy elected officials and their families health insurance if we don’t have it also. After all their family isn’t any better than our own.
An option is a choice.
Leave my Social Security alone you Socialist.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:23 pmaaronk’s on this thread. I try not to read his shi*, but hasn’t he been posting about isolated or rare incidents need not be covered.
Wait, then he said if it didn’t affect the whole that it need not be covered.
Then he gave an example of a kid falling off his bike and how that shouldn’t be covered. But later on he said it should.
Now he’s on a thread that should be dedicated to the too short life of that young woman just so he can espouse some party bullshit.
He should be ashamed – and we should flag him.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:23 pmHey wingnuts, Your repug leaders have their ideas on how to fix healthcare. That dumbass bush was in the whitehouse for eight years, not once did bushes administration bring up insuring the citizens of the US. Do you know why? yes, thats right,because bush didnt give a sht if people lived or died due to health insurance. As long as bush/cheney had enough young men and women to send overseas to fight in their wars then his administration was happy. Bush/cheney are murderes and they should have an appointment with the gallows.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:25 pmO/T Sorry
Sen. Bond Pulls GOP Staff Off Torture Investigation
Dispicably pathetic
September 25th, 2009 at 9:26 pmBoaner needs to get out, play more golf, and forget all about politics. It’s what he needs.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:27 pmBoaner needs to crawl out of that shit sandwich he lives in and join the living, caring world.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:29 pmdung beetle says:
livelongandprosper says:
Attacking police and vandalizing is “peaceful?” In loonland?
I think the subject was “Freedom”. “Peaceful” is another matter.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:29 pmBoner needs more checks from insurance companies. Its hard work manning a DEATH PANEL.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:30 pmdung beetle says:
What’s this I hear about anarchy in Pittsburgh? Liberals attacking peaceful protesters with violence? No post here?
How stupid does one have to be to think that “anarchists” = “liberals”? Pretty damn stupid.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:30 pmBoner is working so hard making sure poor people die that he has calluses on his conscience. He’s in danger of loosing his tan.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:32 pmShitbeetlehead
Kill yourself. You lying ignorant pile of dogshit
September 25th, 2009 at 9:32 pmdung beetle says: No post?
I think “no post” pretty much sums up your contribution here.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:35 pmI am just disgusted with conservatives and dip shite libertarians right now.
Freedom is not freedom if you are dead.
To the conservative/libertarians reading this it is worth noting that in those freedom hating countries like Canada and England and France and…well, pretty much any nation in Europe and Asia, young people do not DIE because they have no health insurance.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:38 pmPeople do not put off going to the Doctor’s office, like I did 2 weeks ago, because they can not afford the deductible. In other countries when you are sick with the flu or have cyst on your thyroid you go to the Doctor.
It still amazes me that there are people in this country who think it is better for their fellow citizens to go without medical care.
What kind of country are we?
What kind of people care so little for their fellow citizens?
If boner had no insurance and then developed skin cancer due to the fact that he spends alot of time in a tanning bed.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:40 pmWhat do you think he would do to pay for his treatment?
A. go to his church and ask for charity.
B. Knock on his neighbors doors and ask them for financial help.
If cantor would suggest it to one of his constituents then im sure that it would work for boner.
What kind of people care so little for their fellow citizens?
Ferengi. Gotta be.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:41 pmblackwidow says:
I should think that people would be angry enough to grab their pitchforks and demand to know why they cannot have the same health insurance as Congress.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:44 pmIf Boner knocked on my door and ask for help because he was dying, I’d offer to pi$$ on his grave. Our world is much diminished without Kimberly Young. Thanks to greedy insurance corporations and sellout politicians.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:45 pmWhat austex_chris says @344 – true that.
Just the reduction in stress from not having to worry so much about what would happen to you financially if, heaven forbid, you were to get sick contributes to a better quality of life.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:48 pmInnocent Bystander says:
Most of these apologists probably don’t even believe the BS that they post here.
I’m starting to wonder if any right-winger actually believes in anything, or if they’re just small people who delight in the misery of others around them.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:52 pmblackwidow says:
What kind of people care so little for their fellow citizens?
I think I know. The unchallenged, those that have never had to face a difficult thing in their lives. They find it convenient to assume that misfortune is something that can be avoided if they remain insulated in their narrow little worlds. They claim patriotism, but never serve. They claim self-determination, but never acknowledge opportunities they did not earn. They claim responsibility, but owe no allegiance to anything other than self. One of the sins of our time, worship without sacrifice. You can’t understand the value of compassion unless you have needed it, and are humble enough to admit it.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:54 pmdung beetle says:
The Leno crown LOVED Rush! No post?
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And that begs the obvious question…
Where they laughing W/ Rush… or AT him?
September 25th, 2009 at 9:55 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Kind of OT but still (and I didn’t read the other comments so forgive me if I’m duplicating) but…I just talked to my parents who live in Arizona. Apparently, they are now one of 3 or 4 states that require a doctor’s prescription in order for folks to get a flu shot. The reason is that a few people had received two flu shots last year therefore, all people seeking the shot need to be run through a data base.
So, we’re telling uninsured people to see a MD to get a flu shot that can prevent their getting a somewhat preventible illness thus increasing the probability of an ER visit. It will be very interesting to see if Arizona and the other states have higher instances of full blown flu. Gotta love those red states……….
September 25th, 2009 at 10:01 pmConservative Christians need to remember what Christ implored them to do. It is their DUTY to take care of the weak and the vulnerable. This woman was failed by Conservative Christians because we, as a society, could not take care of her. Where are all of the Good Samaritans?
September 25th, 2009 at 10:03 pmX4Progress I live in Az and I haven’t heard of this…Who is requiring the DR.’s script?
September 25th, 2009 at 10:05 pmMy evidence is only from what my dad said but I guess he went to one of those quickie clinics for a flu shot and they wouldn’t give him the shot without a prescription.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:08 pmI so wish you could edit your own comments………and, this is the reason they told him.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:09 pmBoner and all obstructing politicians taking blood money from insurance companies need to take a good long look in the mirror and not to admire their tans. What value to the healthcare process do insurance companies add. Seems like all they do is take, take, take.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:12 pmSend Boner a shovel to help him dig more graves.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:14 pmdung beetle says:
Watch the video yourself.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
dung can’t tell either way.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:15 pmA shovel to dig your own grave, that’s the GOP plan for healthcare.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:18 pmGrassley doesn’t need a shovel. He is the walking dead.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:20 pmaaronk says:
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how is it “sick” to question whether solutions currently on the table would have even prevented this death? I would absolutely love to prevent this from ever happening, but I’m not convinced that the public option would achieve that.
Uh…WTF? Whether she could “afford” the copay or not, she’d have insurance. Hence she would be able to go to the doctor. Last I checked, it’s easier to pay off $100 dollars in copays and insurance premiums than it is to pay off the reality costs of $1000s or more for individual services.
Doctor visits alone are at least $120 each, and a single prescription can cost $100. What if the poor girl had needed a *gasp* blood test too???
September 25th, 2009 at 10:22 pm…or the $1000 if she went to the ER instead.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:23 pmAren’t the Repugs who literally stopped everything to ‘Save’ Terry Shivo? They did everything they could to prolong the life of a woman who was brain dead, and yet, they will do anything to stop any uninsured American from the right of medical care. My God! How do these bastards sleep at night?
September 25th, 2009 at 10:28 pmAaronk,consevative guy,dung beetle,et.al.have a vastly different view of how people should treat other people.There is no use in in responding to their comments.First,they didn’t like candidate Obama and they certainly would never agree with Pres. Obama. The comment about a.i.d.s. simply reflects a nastiness that is typical of todays discourse.The others,obviously,have a right to their opinion.We can only hope that they are in the minority.Name calling doesn’t really help.(I must confess that I have to restrain myself in that regard.If you lose your head you lose the best part of you.)
September 25th, 2009 at 10:28 pmThe only people who like Rush need serious mental help.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:35 pmReligion,conservative christians,and people who live and die by the bible are whats hurting our country. Religious people around the world is the main reason that there is no peace around the world. What kind of a god promises you 72 virgins if you kill innocent people in the name of that god?
September 25th, 2009 at 10:36 pmBecause of religion parents preach abstinance to their children,that fact alone is the reason for more unwanted teenage pregnancies. To me it just seems like religion fcks everything up.
Boner worships the money he gets from insurance companies.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:39 pmYou are entitled to your opinion.Also,I always hit the click to read button.While I get very pissed at some of the comments,I still read them.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:40 pmtwatji just STFU
September 25th, 2009 at 10:40 pmPat Pomery says:
Where they laughing W/ Rush… or AT him?
If they were laughing AT him I can guarantee you tp would have had 4 or 5 posts on that very subject. Since there were no posts on Rush that should answer your question. They loved him!
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Conjecture… be tossed outta court in an instant.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:41 pmBTW–What are sock puppets.I’m obviously out of touch with current jargon.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:43 pmPat Pomery says:
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Either way the taxpayers would have paid the bill. Your point?
Personally, as a taxpayer I’d rather pay the $100 in the premiums than the $1000s for the ER. But whatever, Pat. I guess I was wrong thinking you were arguing against all this because you wanted to save money.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:43 pmPat Pomery says:
The others,obviously,have a right to their opinion.
I agree with all of your points, except this one. The progressives don’t think we are entitled to our opinion.
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Clearly, you were not around when Mr P and Trajan tried to shut the site down.
Try NewsVine if you don’t like it here. There are plenty of righties over their. they have their own threads and they shut down comments they don’t like.
Try making a “real point” too and not just posting to annoy people.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:44 pmI think this is one where we lose focus when it comes to health care. It shouldn’t be about how much it costs, it should be about making lives better for everyone by giving them access to medical care that they can pay for in a reasonable way. Life is not about who can pay for it or not, it’s about the people around you who value and cherish you.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:45 pmLordy, Lordy… The trolls are out in full force aren’t they? Have they read or heard the latest polls? People WANT the Public option. They are literally freaking out. Their whole belief system is in disarray. The ‘Government is EVIL’ belief is drying up. Unless, of course, they are on ‘Medicare’ or ‘Socail Security’. Other than that, their belief system is, “I got mine, FU*K You!”
September 25th, 2009 at 10:45 pmPolitically Superior says:
This comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Look at her dread locks and hippy knit hat. Yup, typical multi-cultral loving liberal. Was the AIDs worth that minority boy friend? Guess not. Well at least she died for a cause she most likely believed in.
R.I.P
You’re the reason why the discourse in this country has gone to hell…Show some damn respect…@hole…
September 25th, 2009 at 10:46 pmPat Pomery says:
The others,obviously,have a right to their opinion.
I agree with all of your points, except this one. The progressives don’t think we are entitled to our opinion. If they had their way we wouldn’t be allowed to post here. TP went half the way to silencing differing opinions by incorporating the “vote down” button which they use w/out even reading the post. I say make this site a register site, but, the sock puppet users will disagree to that. They know who they are.
That doesn’t diminish your first amendment rights much like mocking your opinions isn’t diminishing your first amendment rights. Now go on to sites like Free Republic and they’ll ban your @ss for expressing a liberal viewpoint. Now what is that?
September 25th, 2009 at 10:49 pmTrolls plan for healthcare= shill for insurance companies, blame hippies and gripe about taxes, any taxes.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:51 pmSeptember 25th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Wrong. We think you’re entitled to your opinion; we just think it should be based in reality and backed with facts before you vomit it across this forum, conditions you and most of your fellow wingnuts seem determined to ignore.
So the next step, naturally, is to ridicule the uninformed and illogical opinions that are presented as if they were revelations from God Almighty.
Come here with informed and reasoned opinions, you won’t get smacked down.
Come here with the same old stupid shit you try to pass off as wisdom and expect to get abused for it.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:54 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
You have a right to your opinion, Pat. But for some reason it’s escaping you that “refuting your inaccurate claims” and “not wanting to listen to your inaccurate claims” does NOT equal your First Amendment right to Free Speech is being denied.
You may have the right to your opinions, but I have the right to not have to listen to them – particularly if the site we’re on gives me that option.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:55 pmTwo more parts of the troll plan for healthcare are worship Rush and complain when their pointless posts get voted down. Very constructive…NOT.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:55 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Pat Pomery–Do realy believe this girl died because she had AIDS?
September 25th, 2009 at 10:57 pmSomeone QUICK!
Call a WHAAAAAAWHAAAAWHAAAAMBULANCE for poor Pee Pee!
September 25th, 2009 at 10:59 pmOutlaw284 says:
Or people in Ca complaining about the fact that they lost their house in an earth quake.
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Clearly you don’t live out here, and you don’t know what you’re talking about.
They do too complain.
You generalize so much it’s impossible to take you seriously.
And learn a little grammar and punctuation.
I know… I know… it’d be like “soap” to you…
September 25th, 2009 at 10:59 pmUm… you obviously don’t understand the concept of “silencing differing opinions” if you think the “Vote Down” button is anything like it.
It’s a collective judgment of the community, not any authority. When you post drivel, you earn a reputation. In your case, pee Pee, that reputation is richly deserved.
Your comments suffer because of that reputation. But people can still read them, if they want to. It’s an individual’s choice.
I thought you righties were all about “choice”?
Obviously someone must have set up your account for you, because I and everyone else who comments here had to register.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:59 pmThese trolls are givng me a headache. First they tell us not to depend on the ‘Government’ to help us. Then they want to spend a Gizzilion dollars for our defense. What about our defense against diseases? Global Warming? Pollution? Pandemic? OUR tax dollars protect AMERICANS against ALL threats. Not just military. WTF?
September 25th, 2009 at 11:00 pm***
#429,
“Thanks for proving my point!”
twajie,
that’s the one that’s
going to make you go blind.
;)
September 25th, 2009 at 11:00 pmThe grave digging stated in earnest with Reagan and Gingrich followed by Bush I, somewhat continued by Clinton who tried to appease the greedy powerful interests and we all can remember Bush II. The Clintons at least tried to reform healthcare, but that was obstructed by Rethugs and massive amounts of corporate money.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:01 pmHey trollytrolls why is it that Capitalism has to revert to Socialism to exist. Here is how. When a small corporation can’t raise the CAPITAL to do what it wishes, it offers stock in its existance to the PUBLIC. This stock offering is an appeal to the MASSES for money. And in return the stock holders all get THE SAME return on their money for each of the types of RISK associated with the different stock types.
Corporations appeal to the Public
to use their COMMUNAL monies
to make even more money
which gets distributed EQUALLY to those that invested.
This is socialism.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:03 pmdmbream says:
P.S. Let’s try to keep it a bit more civilized. This is my first visit to the site and I’m completely turned off by the vitriol being spewed from people on both sides.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
How about you monitor your own behavior, and leave the others to do the same? Thanks.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:04 pm***
Pat Pomery = twajie = rick martinez (of florida)
September 25th, 2009 at 11:04 pm:)
Yeah, I went to the exchange you suggested and tried the young lady’s stats.
Yes there was a plan available for $35 per month.
The deductible was $10,000.
20% copay.
And office visits were not covered.
That is some sweet deal for a young woman working two jobs, recent college grad in this economy.
But hey, she coulda gotten covered, so… her loss, right?
September 25th, 2009 at 11:06 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Shayne says:
My 14 year old daughter had the Euro flu in Germany this summer and 4 different doctors saw her and treated her at no charge. This is so incredibly sad the way we sacrifice our young people to keep old people happy with their Medicare.
Sorry for the late reference to this post, I just stumbled upon it.
While we’re busy figuring out ways to spackle every crack in the wall so that no foreign thing can come in and be treated in one of our hospitals, other countries treat visitors with no hesitance.
Why can’t we possess that clean-cut logic: people are human, they’re in need of treatment, and providing them that treatment is not a back-room accounting issue or question of sovereignty, we help because healing is our craft. We’re here to help.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:11 pmGot a tear or two for her, beener?
Didn’t think so, you scum.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:11 pmInsurance companies are the problem. They charge too much for too little. They are PROFIT driven and must pay for advertising, lobbyists, big bucks CEOs, and of course share holders want their cut. You need a lawyer to understand what your are signing up for and you certainly need one to make sure you are getting what you paid for. I say eliminate them.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:12 pm#436-I went to the website. A $39 policy from B/C in MD with a 20% copay after the deduct.Deductible was $10,000.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:13 pmThat’s it. I can’t stand how trolls will defend the defenseless. A young woman is dead. Why? Because she delayed to see a doctor because SHE COULDN”T AFFORD IT. How do you defend something like that? In this country? The best Country in the world? Unreal. We, the American people, face the risk of bankruptcy if we are unfortunately struck by an illness. The Insurance Companies don’t give a sh*t about us, or anyone else for that matter. Unless, of course, they have a loved one who is sick. But then again, they have plenty of money don’t they?
September 25th, 2009 at 11:13 pmThe role of the federal government is to protect as much as possible at any given time the anarchy lawless republicans like Outlaw (speaks for itself) seek to impose.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:13 pm***
anyone else besides me notice
that backup is missing from this post?
:)
September 25th, 2009 at 11:15 pmThere is no free lunch.Remember the old saying –If it’s to good to be true —-
September 25th, 2009 at 11:15 pmOutlawGuy: Sheesh, I thought I was the queen of the run-on sentence, but I defer to you. People in OK do complain when twisters destroy their homes. People in CA are not happy about earthquakes. Folks in Florida compain about hurricanes. Uninsured, or underinsured, or thought I was insured but now I’m not, people, of whatever political persuasion complain when their choices narrow to bankruptcy or dealth, or for those with no credit or assets, just death. That is why you righties are going to lose this fight. Everyone gets sick, and many who would normally be in your camp recognize that.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:17 pmOutlaw284
Your sampling doesn’t make any sense. Millionaires raising their homes along fault lines has nothing to do with a debate about the role of government. We’re talking about the common man here, not a lucky few who can afford to insure their wild ventures into no-man’s land. Of course, Republicans see everything through the lenses of the top-1% of the income bracket. You people are f uckin’ idiots.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:19 pmThe role of the federal govt.is what the majority says it is.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:22 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Outlaw284
I have little patience as it is reading two lines of troll poop. But posting for paragraphs on-end and expecting an educated crowd to take all of it in is unrealistic. If you know you’re disliked, know your limits.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:24 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
We are witnessing the Enron-ization of the Health Insurance Industry. Things are falling apart, people are dying and Boner is counting his $$$$ and working on his tan.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:25 pmcec says:
The role of the federal govt.is what the majority says it is.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
That is not true. Our Constitution is written to protect the minority from the majority.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:25 pmOutlaw284 says:
The Republic of Stupidity
I live in Ca. and no one is complaining about their house when they build on the fault.
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Sorry… your comment has no credibility. I’ve lived out here since the late 70’s and went thru the ‘89 quake.
People complained. The also complain when the house they bought turns out to be built on a flood plain and they get washed out. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
But hey… you gotta be you. Want a bar of soap?
Oklahomans don’t complain? Could it be because they KNOW they’ll get help from FEMA?
Oklahoma Tornado Cleanup Begins, FEMA Assessing Damage
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/13/oklahoma-tornado-cleanup-_n_166626.html
September 25th, 2009 at 11:25 pmOutLaw, Well, you called me out didn’t you? I’m talking about compassion. Do you have it? I thought the GOP were ‘Compassionate Conservatives.’ I, myself, have NEVER relied on the ‘Government’. In fact, I am a volunteer. PTA, ‘Community Organizer’. You name it. I WILL NEVER let a person if I love die needlessly. I thought Republicans were supposed to be ‘Christian’. Well, there isn’t anything ‘Christian’ about Republicans now is there?
September 25th, 2009 at 11:26 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
This tragic case is a perfect example of why we need health care reform.A young person who cannot afford health care,she thinks that illness won’t strike her(most of us felt that way),decides to put her meager earnings into more pressing needs.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:29 pmOutlaw, let’s do away with the comfort zone of spouting the ‘emergency room’ talking point; it only highlights the republican cluelessness of the health care system. Doctors don’t want to be in the position of treating a patient when maladies hit peak crisis. You idiots already have a serious problem lumping in health care with cheap crap made in China. Knock it off.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:29 pmIf it my imagination, or does EVERY frickin’ comment posted by outlaw come across like a crazy old man muttering to himself nonstop as he heats up a can of Spaghettios on a filthy, greasy stove in an equally filthy, dingy doublewide?
“Goddamnedfilthystinkin’hippiesusedtabeagoodcountrytilltheycame’nscrweditallupwiththeirpeacelove’nkindnessI’llshow’emsomedoublebarrelledkindnessthat’llsend’emcryin’tatheirrichdaddies…owowowgdamnedspaghettiosaretoofreakin’hotI’llshowthatdamnedfreakin’pastawhere’smygun?
September 25th, 2009 at 11:31 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Nice spin. By the way since when did the whole state of Ca. become millionares.
Your whole argument was spin. Stating the apparent stupidity of that argument for you to come back and label it “spin” is, it itself, spin on top of spin. Your sampling sucked, simple as that. But you still haven’t answered the question – what do fault lines have to do with health care or the role of the federal government?
September 25th, 2009 at 11:33 pmActually it does stop illegals.Who knows why it stopped her? What we do know is that if she had health care she would have gone to the drs.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:33 pmWhat the GOP REALLY means … says:
You idiots already have a serious problem lumping in health care with cheap crap made in China. Knock it off.
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Whatsammata, GOP? Muttering old men like outlaw giving the part a bad name?
Pssst… ask him if he’d like a bar of soap and watch him start sputtering like a Roman candle…
September 25th, 2009 at 11:33 pmOutlaw284 says:
Nice spin. By the way since when did the whole state of Ca. become millionares.
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Huh? WTF does this comment have to do w/ anything?
September 25th, 2009 at 11:34 pmThe Republic of Stupidity says:
“Goddamnedfilthystinkin’hippiesusedtabeagoodcountrytilltheycame’nscrweditallup withtheirpeacelove’nkindnessI’llshow’emsomedoublebarrelledkindnessthat’llsend’
emcryin’tatheirrichdaddies…owowowgdamnedspaghettiosaretoofreakin’hotI’llshowthatdamnedfreakin’pastawhere’smygun?
September 25th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
September 25th, 2009 at 11:34 pmI hit “submit” too soon!
TRoS — you nailed the “outlaw.” ;)
September 25th, 2009 at 11:35 pmOutlaw284 says:
P.D.
Her not getting care is her own fault. She could have gone to any emergency room and gotten treated and wouldn’t have had to pay a thing. Since there is a law requiring them to treat her and not turn her away
And she’ll be followed by the ER bill the rest of her life. She has to get treated, but it is not free!
September 25th, 2009 at 11:36 pmOutlaw284 says:
P.D.
Her not getting care is her own fault. She could have gone to any emergency room and gotten treated and wouldn’t have had to pay a thing. Since there is a law requiring them to treat her and not turn her away.
Yes, the E.R. is required to treat you if it is a life threatening situation. A private hospital that has not received Hill-Burton funds need only stabilize you before transfering (dumping) you on a public facility. In any event, nothing precludes either hospital from billing you. Upon receipt of the bill you can make your case for charity care to the hospital, and if truely needy you may be successful with the public facility. It’s not a given that it’s just free and I’ve no clue where folk got this idea in the first place
September 25th, 2009 at 11:36 pm467 Pee Pee
In your defense, I suggest you STFU.
You absolutely don’t know WTF you are talking about.
You morons thinks EMERGENCY ROOM services are quick or free?
September 25th, 2009 at 11:36 pmHi TRoS. I have a hard time staying in character tonight because I don’t have the grits to be sarcastic alongside the trolls when their rhetoric becomes too extreme. I have to return to humanity for a thread.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:37 pmI can’t believe I’m addressing a troll but here goes, Outlaw @ 460, yes, no one can be denied care from an emergency room however, that ER will hound you for payment for the rest of your life (unless of course you declare bankruptcy).
Just for a moment, imagine that you and your employer have been paying for your health insurance for many years. Suddenly, you are laid off and no longer have the benefit of employer subsidized health insurance. You also can not afford to pay the premium on your own. The next month, you are diagnosed with a horrible illness that requires intensive treatment. Since you can no longer afford to pay the premiums (even though you and your employer have paid the insurer tens of thousands of dollars over the years) you now have no coverage for services not provided by an emergency room. Who is going to see you? Who is going to treat you? Unless of course you are able to suddently liquidate every asset you have to cover the cost of your treatment.
Why not have these funds you and your employer pay deposited into a common fund where ALL people are covered when they need the coverage. Insurance shouldn’t end when you change providers or when you can’t pay the premiums. It’s like conservatives like to say…”use some common sense”….geez.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:40 pmOutLaw, I have done this once before on this site with another troll. So, here it is. I will never respond to you again. You are beyond my help. Have a nice life, and I hope Karma or the Big Man upstairs finds you worthy.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:40 pmWhat the GOP REALLY means … says:
I have a hard time staying in character tonight…
September 25th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
It makes me kinda woozy when you do that. ;)
September 25th, 2009 at 11:41 pmHey that weird poser is still here. Does that pos get a life weirdo ever leave the house?
September 25th, 2009 at 11:41 pmI know it can be pretty irritating when I go off-character though.
To the poster putting up ehealthinsurance.com:
(1) What makes you think an insurer wouldn’t ask her further questions about her Asthma? On online quote is not a tell-all.
(2) I put myself in, 24 years old, non-smoker, and the premiums came in low but the devil is in the details. These policies are written narrowly, not flexibly.
(3) Deductibles on the offered plans are mostly $5000. Would this young woman working a couple minimum wage jobs be able to save that kind of money that quickly just to be able to use the policy?
September 25th, 2009 at 11:42 pm#351
just the bleepn facts says:
Republicans have no values other than greed and selfishness…
Yes, especially infectious was the GREED during the treasonous RONNIE RAYGUN years and after. This lead to more unhealthy lifestyles; financially, environmentally, and personally. How so you ask; why do you think people in America are physically MORBIDLY OBESE? It is because of a mindset put in motion back in the late 70’s early 80’s of Gordon Gecko “GREED IS GOOD.” And what happens to greed when it is turned to food? People get overweight, just like they got “overweight” with their financial obligations. They are OBESE with Credit (the fat.)
September 25th, 2009 at 11:42 pmWhat the GOP REALLY means … says:
I have a hard time staying in character tonight because I don’t have the grits to be sarcastic alongside the trolls when their rhetoric becomes too extreme.
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Aaaaaaaaah… it’s simple… just give a good swift one right in THEIR grits…
Works for me every time… :-D!
September 25th, 2009 at 11:42 pmHi Zooey:
September 25th, 2009 at 11:42 pmI made one of my best freegan deals in months. I am so excited!
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#478,
WTF?
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September 25th, 2009 at 11:42 pmI’ll be back in form, Zoo, more barbaric than ever. Just wait until health reform passes!
September 25th, 2009 at 11:44 pmI’ll repeat myself–majority rules but the rights of the minority are protected if and when the supreme court says they are.The fed. govt.does what the people want(supposedly).If the majority want health care reform with a public option and congress passes it,then that’s what we will have.It’s a specious argument to say that health care isn’t in the constitution. that young lady should have been able to be enrolled in a program that she could afford.If you disagree so be it.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:44 pmHow about getting a rescission notice in the mail then dying?
September 25th, 2009 at 11:45 pmWhat the GOP REALLY means … says:
To the poster putting up ehealthinsurance.com:
(1) What makes you think an insurer wouldn’t ask her further questions about her Asthma? On online quote is not a tell-all.
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I had the same questions after I went to that site too… a $5K DEDUCTIBLE for a 22 year old w/ a minimum wage job?
Talk about DEATH panels…
September 25th, 2009 at 11:45 pmPat Pomery says:
And she’ll be followed by the ER bill the rest of her life.
Which is worse, dying or getting a bill in the mail?
I’m guessing that if she had known she was dying, she would have gone to the ER. She knew she was sick, she knew she had no coverage, and unlike yourself, she knew she be socked with a huge bill.
Did you have an actual point, or did you just want to avoid acknowledging that you had the whole ER thing wrong?
September 25th, 2009 at 11:46 pmdbadass says:
September 25th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
Well, go post your weird music and tell us about it!
September 25th, 2009 at 11:47 pmZooey says:
TRoS — you nailed the “outlaw.” ;)
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Hey… I’ calls ‘em as I sees ‘em… or in outlaw’s case… as I smells ‘em…
Will someone PUL-LEASE give that poor fellow a bar of soap?
September 25th, 2009 at 11:47 pmOutlaw, I’ve been mean to you tonight. Maybe we can cool off and turn on the Wii. We can talk about Limbaugh’s latest Blub and munch on stale pizza. Then I’m going to kick you in the balls.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:47 pmIt seems the weirdo doesn’t want anyone to mentioon that they need to leave the house and get something that resembles a live. What a total and complete loser…
September 25th, 2009 at 11:47 pmWhat the GOP REALLY means … says:
I’ll be back in form, Zoo, more barbaric than ever.
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Well… just this one time then, okay?
September 25th, 2009 at 11:48 pmWell, go post your weird music and tell us about it!
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September 25th, 2009 at 11:48 pmYou didn’t like the last Romeo Void?
The Republic of Stupidity says:
Will someone PUL-LEASE give that poor fellow a bar of soap?
September 25th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
He’ll just eat it again, and that’s a terrible waste of good soap.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:49 pmI hate it when I give a poster a vote up and a slimy troll votes it back down. I’m referring to the vote up I gave zooey.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:52 pmdbadass says:
You didn’t like the last Romeo Void?
September 25th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
It didn’t make my ears bleed.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:53 pm450 posts, but I think a couple of points have to be made.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:53 pm1) There’s an awful lot of talk about disease as if it’s sin. A lot of it can be thought that way–by the left just as much as the right. (I’ve read enough ‘fat american car fast food diatribes’ by liberals to fill up my dance card for a few decades.) And there’s all that talk about ‘young, healthy’ people who are considered immune in some way.
Young, healthy people can die from the flu. Very easily.
2) When you’re dealing with a contagious disease, your neighbor’s health care matters. If your neighbor doesn’t have health insurance, he or she will put off going to the doctor or getting that flu shot, and the probability goes up substantially that you’ll get it too. Public health is important.
In the case of a contagious disease, , the ’socialist’ idea of making sure everyone is covered is simply the intelligent attitude, and the I’ve got mine attitude is suicidal.
3) If we had a public option run by the government, how much do you want to bet that the government wouldn’t waive the co-pay in order to deal with a public health crisis? How much easier than trying to wrestle and negotiate with private insurers to do the same thing?
4) PS, if you look at that young lady’s picture and see dreadlocks, you’re blind as well as devoid of decency.
Zooey says:
He’ll just eat it again, and that’s a terrible waste of good soap.
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Yeah… but at least his breath will be better… for a little while…
September 25th, 2009 at 11:54 pmWhat the GOP REALLY means … says:
I hate it when I give a poster a vote up and a slimy troll votes it back down. I’m referring to the vote up I gave zooey.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
It’s the thought that counts. :)
September 25th, 2009 at 11:54 pmOutlaw284, You are right, anyone can go to the ER and get treated. What the repugs fail to say is if you go to the ER and are diagnosed with a condition that requires a follow up or a specialist then you are on your own. Walking into a specialists office for the first time will cost you at least 175 dollars. If you dont have insurance then the specialist will not see you. So where does someone who is uninsured go for help? Also if you go to the ER theres a good chance you will be given prescriptions to fill. Who is going to pay for that? The bottom line is people in our country need affordable health insurance. Why the fck would anyone deny the citizens of our country the help that they deserve?
September 25th, 2009 at 11:55 pm#462 Ouch!I must have struck your nerve outlaw284.Such a great response.Gee, now let’s see if I can top that come back. I hope for your love life that your wit is longer than your —k.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:56 pmThe Republic of Stupidity says:
Well… just this one time then, okay?
Only if Obami agrees not to prosecute so much as a dust mite under the Dead-or-Alive administration.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:57 pmWhat the GOP REALLY means … says:
Then I’m going to kick you in the balls.
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There ya go!!! That’s the stuff!!!
And make SURE you wear heavy work boots…
I favor a nice, stout pair of brogans meself… w/ steel toes…
September 25th, 2009 at 11:58 pmPat Pomery says:
September 25th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
Predictable racist troll.
*eyes rolling*
September 26th, 2009 at 12:01 amThere ya go!!! That’s the stuff!!!
And make SURE you wear heavy work boots…
I favor a nice, stout pair of brogans meself… w/ steel toes…
September 25th, 2009 at 11:58 pm Vote Up | Vote Down | (-1)
Apparently my partner in crime didn’t like your post. What do you have to say to that effect, lib?
I already wear heavy work boots because I’m a rugged individualist. The government need me (taxes on my deer carcass) but I don’t need it.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:02 amZooey
September 26th, 2009 at 12:03 amIgnore that loser pos. They lack integrity and are just the same old negative attention seeker. It is so tired and old although I am impressed that someone could be that f ucking lame to dedicate their life to dicking around being an as swipe…
The little no life weirdo has shot their vote wad once again. They are so premature. That little load will vanish oh so quickly as if it was never even there…
September 26th, 2009 at 12:05 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I just have a nice stout. Actually I have 3 more…
September 26th, 2009 at 12:06 amPat Pomery says:
How so? Illegals use the er room as a personal dr, why didn’t she?
F ucking right. I want illegals embarrassed until they’re red in their faces, and a helicopter can hover above California to view the red faces in mass – hence, a red state. God damn it I want to be the most barbaric red-nation we can be. And you achieve this by being as bloody in your policies as can be. Blood is red. America is red. We are .. the right-wing. I love raw meat.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:07 amOutlaw284 says:
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heh… who knew Abe Simpson hung out online?
September 26th, 2009 at 12:08 amIt’s late, and I’ve had some wine, but that means I’m free to say what I would not during the daytime when the gentleman usually posts…I love you pbeeq!
September 26th, 2009 at 12:09 amFrom now on, I’m going to vote down every message that’s a reply to a troll.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:09 amRight now there are to many people on welfare that are able to work and provide for themselves and they don’t. Why, because they have found out that it is easier for them to just do nothing and they will get all they want.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:10 am—
What do you base this idea on. In my experience people are proud and resilent and seek assistance as last resorts and leave such assistance asap. Why are you so lacking in confidence in your societal partners? Has the world treated you poorly? Are you angry and frustrated. Do you wish you were something you are not. Do you blame others for your insecurities?
Pat Pomery says:
How predictable, a progressive playing the race card!
They play the intelligent card. Frankly, I ucking sick of them. I would like to go unchallenged one of these days. All we have is intelligunt design, as you can see on the doodle board we jointly share.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:10 amPat Pomery says:
How predictable, a progressive playing the race card!
September 26th, 2009 at 12:03 am
Typical racist troll can’t take it when called on his racist speech.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:12 am#523 Blah blah blah blah.The blahblah blahblah.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:14 amPat Pomery says:
you had the whole ER thing wrong?
How so? Illegals use the er room as a personal dr, why didn’t she?
Keep throwing out that chum–anything to avoid acknowledging you were wrong. Such a pathetic display.
Engaging you in a dialog is like arguing with a skin tag.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:15 amdbadass says:
September 26th, 2009 at 12:10 am
Outlaw would get his lazy ass on welfare if he could, and he’s just pissed off at all those other white people taking up his spot on the dole.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:16 amThe govt. job is what we say it is.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:16 amIn the lib view of the world, most people want to contribute. Most people wouldn’t want to sit at home all day even if they could afford to do so.
Only in my party do you read and hear the kind of rhetoric that goes unadjusted for the times – i.e. “people choose not to work” – when the Great Recession caused by my party has people living on $300 a week and in fear of losing even that.
It’s important to be a free nation – free to witness the worst and find pleasure in life anyway. Be ignorant. Be greedy. Find a way to poke holes in some peasant’s story. You’re one of the lucky skyscraping few. Be proud.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:16 amLeaving aside the whole ignorant “Illegals use the er room as a personal dr” crap, let’s take a good look at what Pee Pee is actually saying…
Pee is as much as acknowledging that regressives think that the ER should be used as a primary care facility by people who have no other option.
They must really believe that the system works just fine that way. Otherwise, why would they suggest it as a valid course of action?
We, on the other hand, recognize that such a system degrades the ability of doctors to actually treat emergencies efficiently, it’s a much much more expensive way to deliver medical care, and it costs taxpayers as well as hospitals.
But it seems fine with the tighty-righties.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:18 amSo how do you all feel about a new freeze out of Pat and Co. The homebound weirdo has grown tiresome. They thrive on being voted down. It feeds the their f ucked up notion that they are somebodies. I say let them look at zeros. No responses, no votes down, no votes up.Just isolation and more alienation just like in the real world in which they live…
September 26th, 2009 at 12:19 amTo top it all off there isn’t a single program that the government has started that has worked or cost as little as they said it would.
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Name ONE… just ONE corporate-run, for-profit medical plan whose premiums haven’t gone thru the roof the last few years…
JUST… ONE…
You… can’t…
As far as govt plans that work… hmmm… interstate highway system… man on the moon… winning in WW II…
Naaaaaah… the Fed’s NEVER done ANYTHING right…
Destroying FEMA
September 26th, 2009 at 12:22 amWow what happen to the little one’s insignificant votes? Where did they go? Where they ever even there. Freeze this POS!
September 26th, 2009 at 12:22 amHi ralph!
September 26th, 2009 at 12:23 amI’ll break this down for Outlaw as simply as I can. I have worked for five major employers throughout my career. Each employer had a different insurance carrier. Each employer and myself paid a premium each month for my health care. I have been lucky and have consumed very little health care (aka “losses” to the insurance company) in my life. Do these health care dollars follow me? No. If I should suddenly find myself uninsured, will any of these insurers cover my illness? No.
I’m going to take a wild guess that you already have employer subsidized insurance. You and your employer are already paying for care on behalf of other insureds. It’s a pool. A pool that insures that those who, God forbid, face asset s*cking illnesses & don’t lose everything they’ve worked for. Unless of couse, they have their insurance recinded…but that’s another thread.
Pool the money. That’s what self-insured companies already do (I used to work for one). If this were the norm, each State (or the U.S.A.) would be self-insured. Whether a person works part-time or full-time, they would be covered. It would also prevent large corporations from skirting around providing benefits to part-time employees (Wal-Mart, are you listening??). If we don’t move toward this model, we’re just continuing to pour money into a for-profit insurance system that may never be able to help you, especially when you need it most. Clear? Or are you going to selectively pick out a sentence from my argument and run with it?
September 26th, 2009 at 12:24 amthe need for attention is the underscored one is strong….
September 26th, 2009 at 12:25 amHi dbadass. What’s on the menu?
FWIW, I’ll try to honor your freeze-out plan. The trolls seem to have an extra helping of stupid tonight, and they’re splattering it all over the walls. When we pull them out of their high chairs they’ll have a line of demarcation where the stupid stains just abruptly stop.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:27 amOutlaw @523, you haven’t read a word of what I’ve written. God help you.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:29 amOxtails my man and lots of them….
September 26th, 2009 at 12:31 amThe freedom panels are very effective. That’s why they have to raise rates every waking minute to keep running. We have overhead and freedom bonuses to pay.
The government programs on the other hand, covering millions of seniors at an affordable premium (w/ increases held back for next year b/c SS is not getting a COLA increase) and running despite a deep recession choking revenues, is bankrupt hogwash.
So the private pools are more efficient. We print our customers’ policies with colorful and stylish logos on durable print paper. We print nice letters for recisions, too.
Why don’t you freedom-haters move to your liberalish utopia of simple justice for the common man. Leave us to our eat man world.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:31 amStrange… you don’t find many regressives trying to sell the “unemployed people are just lazy” bit when the economy has lost almost seven million jobs since the start of the recession.
I guess that’s seven million Americans who just decided to start living the “good life” on welfare, eh, righties?
September 26th, 2009 at 12:34 amOutlaw has his gig with the RNC. To hell with the rest of you.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:38 amralph the wonder llama says:
But it seems fine with the tighty-righties.
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Yer just misundertandering the regressives, ralphie… they simply want to take the country back to what they remember as a kinder, gentler time… the 50’s…
The… 1850’s
TRoS tunes up his banjo… starts playing “Dixie”…
“Waaaaaaaaay down yonder in de land o cotton…”
September 26th, 2009 at 12:39 amThe RNC must have REALLY low standards…
September 26th, 2009 at 12:39 amThe 50s was a WONDERFUL time. And when Bob McDonnell is elected Governor, that man, with all his gubernatorial looks, is going to sign the bill banishing women and fornicators from the workplace, making Virginia the only state alongside North Dakota to create net jobs.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:44 amWhere’d the homebound weirdo go? Was it something I said?
September 26th, 2009 at 12:46 amZooey says:
The RNC must have REALLY low standards…
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How can you say that about a group that chose Mikey “The Chessmaster” Steele to be their leader…???
September 26th, 2009 at 12:47 amI drive through neighborhoods downtown and see all these cute 50s-era houses, and I try to picture all the Cleaver-like white people who used to live there and wish I could have lived there during that utopia.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:47 amWhat the GOP REALLY means … says:
I drive through neighborhoods downtown and see all these cute 50s-era houses, and I try to picture all the Cleaver-like white people who used to live there and wish I could have lived there during that utopia.
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And the Beaver… don’t forget the Beaver… did you get a good look?
September 26th, 2009 at 12:49 amAnd the Beaver… don’t forget the Beaver… did you get a good look?
The point I’m trying to make .. LIB .. is that Beaver is gone and doing other things in life, that gets me down. And the complexion of the Eiseneighborhoods has changed! (Don’t you play that card! Don’t do it!)
September 26th, 2009 at 12:54 amDeath Counselor says:
Republicans have no values other than greed and selfishness…
Yes, especially infectious was the GREED during the treasonous RONNIE RAYGUN years and after.
This is very true. The right wingers have taken greed and wrapped it in the flag and the bible to justify their amoral lives. Their whole life is spent thinking about themselves and their money.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:54 amSpeaking of 50’s . . . . .
September 26th, 2009 at 12:55 amRevolutionary Road took me by suprise. What a great film!
What the GOP REALLY means … says:
…I try to picture all the Cleaver-like white people who used to live there and wish I could have lived there during that utopia.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:47 am
Ahhh, Pat Buchanan’s world.
Say, whatever happened to Uncle Pat anyway? :-D
September 26th, 2009 at 1:02 amZooey says:
The RNC must have REALLY low standards…
September 26th, 2009 at 1:02 am
Point taken, ralph. ;)
September 26th, 2009 at 1:04 amZooey says:
Say, whatever happened to Uncle Pat anyway? :-D
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He’s headlining for The Hitler Comeback Tour…
September 26th, 2009 at 1:13 amWhat the GOP REALLY means … says:
The point I’m trying to make .. LIB .. is that Beaver is gone and doing other things in life, that gets me down.
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Sooooooo… what yer saying is… that yer not getting any… Quality Time w/ the Beaver these days… and it’s getting you down…
Hmm… that’d get me down too…
September 26th, 2009 at 1:15 amWho’s afraid of Osama bin Laden when we have real terrorists like Republican John Boehner killing thousands of Americans without health insurance every day.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:24 amSooooooo… what yer saying is… that yer not getting any… Quality Time w/ the Beaver these days… and it’s getting you down…
Hmm… that’d get me down too…
Exactly. I meant just that.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:31 amOh shit. Hey! Wait a minute! You set me up! I get plenty of beaver! I do! I do!
September 26th, 2009 at 1:33 amcec says:
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The govt. job is what we say it is.
Then why wasn’t Gore president?
September 26th, 2009 at 1:48 amWhat the GOP REALLY means … says:
Oh shit. Hey! Wait a minute! You set me up! I get plenty of beaver! I do! I do!
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Just remember, Li’l Feller… lest you, uh “succumb”… in a moment of weakness…
“all pornography is homosexual pornography”
‘N if you doubt the wisdom of those words… just take a closer look at folk like outlaw, or Pat Pomery, or conservative guy…
September 26th, 2009 at 1:54 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
TRoS, The reason that repubs think that all porn is homosexualporn is that no matter how much porn they look at they still have those pesky gay urges, so it must be the porn, right? They also think that all sex is gay sex because no matter how many times they fuc& or no matter how many women they fuc& they still wish it had been with a dude.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:16 amI love the trolls trying to assume things about this person’s life in order to imply that she deserved to die…You don’t know jack sh1t but you pretend you do, because it makes you feel better.
Pro-life as long as you “deserve” life…that’s not how it should be.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:16 amPeople are too enamored of the just world theory which states that bad things only happen to bad people, ignoring the fact that is not always the case. So when tragedy like this happens, they get scared so they have to make up excuses to suggest that the person was asking for it, in this case death. So they make up excuses such as “priorities,” “iphones,” anal sex, pot…to suggest that she DESERVED to die, because she didn’t take “personal responsibility.” Just like how a rape victim is always “asking for it,” the rhetoric spewed by these people is rather heartless and cold. But at least they can feel warm inside knowing that they made the “right decisions.”
Am I giving them too much benefit of the doubt? Perhaps…
September 26th, 2009 at 2:48 ambluesunflower says:
cec says:
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The govt. job is what we say it is.
Then why wasn’t Gore president?
Because of a coup from the partisans on the supreme court despite a democratic victory?
September 26th, 2009 at 4:33 amDeath seems to be the official odor that the GOP has no problem embracing all about them.
I hope Boehner sees Kimberly Young’s face at the bottom of every glass of hooch to quiet those sessions when any guilt seeps out.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:40 amI used to give the benifit of the doubt to statements like this but now if anyone says things like this I just call them a liar.
If our troll really believes his lies then he is as pathetic as we all think he is.
September 26th, 2009 at 7:40 amRepublicans do not have the capacity for guilt.
Allow me to rephrase the results of a recent study.
45,000 Democratic voters die each year due to lack of healthcare access.
September 26th, 2009 at 7:58 amYoung became ill about two weeks ago, but didn’t seek care initially because she didn’t have health insurance and was worried about the cost.
45,001 and counting.
September 26th, 2009 at 8:36 amShe should have acted like a grown-up and bought herself some health-insurance.. /snark
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the troll aaronk thinks that a person seeing a doctor and dying had the same chances as one who did not see a doctor and died.
the troll lives in la la land.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:00 amaaronk says:
Alberta woman dies from swine flu
From the article Idiot linked to:
The woman had chronic pre-existing health problems and had not travelled to Mexico. She died on April 28. It is not clear what role, if any, the virus played in her death and that might never be clear, Corriveau said.
You have to wonder… does a nimrod like Ronk even READ the articles before he links to them???
Ooooooooo look… something SHINY!!!
September 26th, 2009 at 10:10 amThis idiot thinks they don’t charge you for going to the emergency room. They bill you and if you can’t pay they ruin your credit. Any visit will cost at least $1,000. How incredibly stupid are Republicans. /rhetorical
September 26th, 2009 at 10:23 amaaronk says:
All of these deaths are truly tragic
I’ll agree that you masturbating furiously to reports of people dying of Swine Flu is tragic, but not in the sense that you mean it.
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PaulMorphy, what of those with insurance that get denied?
how do you rationalize that in your cold heart?
Not everyone can afford insurance regardless of what you imply.
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Any health insurance that was affordable for a person starting out would have offered little to no help due to high deductibles $5,000 to $10,000.
September 26th, 2009 at 11:37 amI read it. You just don’t make any sense. The whole point is that if she was seeing a doctor regularly as we all should then this would not have happened.
How do you know she had a job? Lot’s of people with degrees out of work right now.
If she thought she was going to die of course she would have gone to the doctor. Since she was young she had no reason to believe she was in danger of dying.
A simple inexpensive doctors visit could have saved her life and as you pointed out, it’s not inexpensive.
Your implication that you can go to the clinic and not pay a dime and let them bill you tells me just how little you actually know about what you feel so free to give advice about.
September 26th, 2009 at 11:50 amUp to 595 posts. Republiscum are still arguing over the death of an innocent young woman? Anyone who is, please turn in your Humanity I.D., you clearly don’t have any.
September 26th, 2009 at 11:51 amaaronk is still here? I thought we learned not to respond to the insurance shill. What a p.o.s. chicken shi* bet welching pussy.
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What a heartbreaking story…
Morphy and scum like him are so persuasive, but not in the manner in which they seek. Those trolls convince me more than ever that repiggie nonsense is lethal and dangerous.
Morphy, Imhofe, the Boner and the rest of the scumbags have convinced me to never vote for any repiggie, even for local office.
Evangelicalism is preaching this “self-reliance” at virtually every doctrine dump around.
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The Boner is a smokestack, a four pack a day guy.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:07 pmSo many angry frustrated individuals out there so lacking in concern for the common good. How did they end up so?
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Health Insurance is nothing but a scam. I’ve been ripped off by them for most of my life. They charge too much, deny as many claims as possible, raise rates constantly, use their outsize profit to fund lobbyists that do not represent any interests I have. They serve no useful purpose. Boner is bought and paid for shill for these criminals. People are dying.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:16 pmOr can you expect a human to care for the health and welfare for another rather than their assorted nickels and dimes. So sad. So very very sad that is what they think valuable…
September 26th, 2009 at 12:17 pmhope you never get so ill that you can’t go shopping for a doctor.
The question to ask is “How come 45000 Americans are dying each year from lack of health care”
You don’t get to ask stupid questions anymore. You had your chance and failed America on all fronts.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:18 pmBetter hope you aren’t too sick to hire a lawyer to make sure your insurance company pays or to make your way through the disjointed system. It’s probably easier to just get your sick self to the airport and fly to some third world country where health care is affordable.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:22 pmPaul,
Your making alot of assumptions – and I’d guess (my assumption) is your 100% wrong.
And a cold hearted evil basta*d to boot.
How the fuc* do you post your drivel and consider yourself part of the human race?
Don’t answer, your just another aaronk – translated means 100% as* hole
September 26th, 2009 at 12:23 pmThe people who continue to defend a for-profit health care system amaze me. If you honestly see nothing wrong with profiting off the sick and dying (especially when the ones making the huge profits have nothing to do with the actual care a sick or dying person gets), then you are one seriously immoral person.
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If Obama would quit smoking he could inspire many of these smokers to quit as well and prevent millions of children from ever starting.
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September 26th, 2009 at 12:25 pmYou have no experience with teens do you? You were more just looking for a stretched out way to jab at a president you don’t like weren’t you?
Money grubbing ba$tards have blood on their hands.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:26 pmSmoking kills 500,000 people and costs the U.S. $157 billion every year.
— Good thing the big bad government took away that fantasy liberty of others to do it places where I have to be subjected to it… Crazy out of control government…
September 26th, 2009 at 12:27 pmjb,
As do all the people who support them.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:28 pmI lived in France for four years. The government-run system is fabulous.
No one, even a visitor to France, is denied medical treatment.
The doctors still make house calls, as do nurses, dietitians and other medical support staff.
So many of the scoundrels that claim to know all about the French system have never even left the U.S., let alone having had any experience with the French health care system.
No one in France has to declare bankruptcy due to medical costs.
Our system is stupid and utterly absurd, as are the morons on this blog who continue to defend it.
Our very society is in danger of collapse, in part due to the overwhelming costs of medical care. An unhealthy, fearful population is not a good sign for the future.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:28 pmI hope that dude does die in France. It will really help his surviving family members a lot of hassles…
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Can we have some misspelled signs and misplaced anger to go with all that greed?
September 26th, 2009 at 12:31 pmevangenital,
Your definetly correct. I always wondered why Obama didn’t invite the Health Care Ministers (or whatever their titles are) of nations like Canada, France, England, Switzerland, Japan, etc.. to the White House to discuss and gain a better insight on what type of system would have been most beneficial for our populace.
And then Pushed It Through.
Honestly, the way it’s been handled is a little disheartening.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:32 pmReptilian logic=GOP healthcare plan
September 26th, 2009 at 12:35 pmPaul,
I read your first line and you said something about me being insulting. I’m glad you got that. I did mean to insult you. How dare you come onto a post about a poor young woman who lost her life because she couldn’t afford to go to the doctor – and then blame the victim.
Yes, she is a Victim.
Let me tell you something else your small mind may not comprehend. Without reform, someone very close to you, perhaps even yourself, will be denied coverage and will die too young. Those are just statiscal probabilities.
It’s a shame your so cold hearted you don’t even care about yourself.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:35 pmTeabagger asking for logic and civility…now that is rich.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:39 pmYou’re just silly. French doctors do make house calls.
I guess I should say you are silly and ignorant.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:40 pmThe holy rollers are always condemning Europe for its lack of religion, and its rejection of religion, and yet Europe treats its citizens in a far more “Christian” way than the holy rollers would ever dare to allow.
The holy roller repiggies and their Mormon moronic siblings really have serious serious screws loose.
Don’t you just love it when the atheists behave in a more godlike, christian manner than the ones who just can’t shut up about how much they believe in God?
September 26th, 2009 at 12:48 pmJesus freaks defending wars of choice and inhumane treatment of people for greed. That is the GOP of today.
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jb,
Maybe on the news when a republican is pictured we can replace the (R) with a (S) or an (M) for Sadist and Masochist. There don’t seem to be too many sane republicans around anymore.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:54 pmsympathy for an irrational political ideology.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:56 pm– Let’s explore this shall we? Are you prepared to defend this idea or are you one of those that thinks saying something makes it so? I look forward to some rational explaination…
Irrationalism, thy name is repiggie.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:57 pmThe fact is, if you are a 22 yr old woman with swine flu, the best place on earth to be is in the USA.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:57 pm— When you are done with the last one maybe you can provide the empirical data to support this one…
and lastly just WTF are “people like you”?
September 26th, 2009 at 12:59 pmPaul,
Let’s go to one of your previous posts. Assuming she had a car, well I lived in NYC and my assumption is 98% of students didn’t own a car.
That would mean 98% of students don’t have to pay for car insurance.
Another 80% would have had to repay some time of student loan, then there’s rent, utilities, clothing and food.
So she looks for a job and can’t find one (there’s not many around if you didn’t notice). So she doesn’t buy new clothes but she still has to repay her student loans. What to do? Maybe eats Ramen all the time like I did when I was in school, and had the utilities shut off once in a while.
Acording to your logic she should have either gone homeless or quit eating in order to pay for her healthcare.
Your truely are a moron. The thing I said about statistical probabilities is true. Yet you continue to defend the indefensible.
Man I’d hate to be inside your brain. Reading you here is enough to convince me you need some mental health.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:00 pmIt’s instances like this one that saddens me and angers me. How ANY American can consider themself a conservative Republican and also call themself a Patriot disgusts me. If you support the Republican party you endorse the capitalist private insurance sector that Encourages its employee’s to deny care to existing customers even after raising their existing cost at a rate of 4 times the average Americans wage rate. They’ve placed a status-quo price range that exceeds any rational budget for anybody in my age bracket.
Go sign petitions on my site. This is unacceptable under a Democratic majority in the House, Senate, and White House. Under Republican rule this “compassionate conservatism” would be tolerated. The majority of Americans have spoken. We’ve elected Liberal Democrats with Progressive values. We the people……..
http://www.leftofcenter44.com/left-of-center.php
September 26th, 2009 at 1:09 pmIt would be exploitation if were not for the fact that this is not an isolated case. You provide a lot of opinion but you are way short on facts as many have pointed out.
I will be ignoring your nonesense unless you can back up your ignorant assersions. In other words, I will be ignoring you.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:13 pmI guess they couldn’t defend their own crap. Folks “like that” bum me out…
September 26th, 2009 at 1:16 pmPaulMorphy says:
Hmmm. Had money to pay for tuition to Miami of Ohio for at least 4 years, but wouldn’t buy any insurance or pay cash for a visit to the local urgent care???
September 26th, 2009 at 11:19 am
It’s called Pell Grants and student loans, jackass. An investment in herself so she could one day be the contributing member of society you demand from all others but yourself.
Urgent care is not free, and “free clinics” do not advertise their existence.
But it’s nice to know that teabagger-kind will always do the predictable thing by blaming the dead girl, and then demanding that others be civil.
Dismissed.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:28 pmZooey,
I know, this whole situation just makes me sick. How can you look at her picture and think she was just trying to take advantage of the system.
Only republiscum.
Well, I’m off to work. One last thing Paul -e.s.a.d.
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PaulMorphy,
I’m not as polite as Rich H.
Eat shit and die.
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I think I have a crush on Zooey!
September 26th, 2009 at 1:51 pmStill no attempt to defend their own crap. That is always the sign of a lack of sincere principles…
September 26th, 2009 at 1:53 pmPaul, you think someone should bankrupt themselves every time they have a severe cold they need treated just in case it isn’t fatal? You are a heartless and foolish little man, I guess that’s why you’re a republican?
September 26th, 2009 at 2:04 pmPaulMorphy says:
You guys just still can’t get over the fact that it wouldn’t have cost her a dime to get health care.
Liar.
It would have cost her so much it might have bankrupted her. Do you know how long someone with swine flu has to stay in the emergency room and how expensive it is to treat them?
Emergency room visits commonly costs multiple of thousands of dollars for the uninsured. The insured visits are subsidized by this gouging.
You are a clueless zealot extremist.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:06 pm9/17/09 – Research published in the American Journal of Public Health indicates that 45,000 die every year simply because they can’t afford health insurance.
http://www.ajph.org/cgi/content/abstract/AJPH.2008.157685v1
This number is equal to 15 9/11’s.
So if the US Congress and AHIP lobbyists are colluding to deny Americans universal health care, then shouldn’t they be considered domestic terrorists?
We have laws on the books to deal with this.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:08 pmPaulMorphy says:
Maybe after several years, she might decide to pay it if she felt like it, but the government would never be able to step in and say “Pay that bill or you’re going to jail”.
You’ve never heard of bankruptcy?
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PaulMorphy, many here would be glad to discuss this with you if you would come of the high and mighty lies you continue to tell.
Since you don’t seem able, You will be treated with the distain that you deserve.
Try talking like an idiot when you are in a person to person situation, like, tell this girls family what you are saying here.
If you don’t you are a gutless wimp, if you do you are a heartless basturd with a u.
You have made several statements that are outright lies and have been asked repeatedly to back up your asserstions.
You refuse and continue to spout the same lies.
Any reasonable person knows that you are just here to distort the truth, cause confusion and disstract from the tragedy that you are directly responsible for.
Hell awaits you.
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PaulMorphy says:
Every want and need of society is not covered by the laws in US Constition just yet. It seems that if you folks prefer a society where the Federal Government takes care of everyone’s needs, housing, healthcare, food, clothing, etc — You’d be much better off living in a communist society — there are still a few of em out there that would probably take you. But I don’t think you’d find the lack of individual freedoms so agreeable.
Wow. Good thing you don’t bring any delusions, er, preconceptions to the table. Trying to get health care coverage like every First World country on the planet means we “prefer” communism. You really are a silly tool.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:57 pmkwsventures, what are you going to do about it? Cry?
You all seem to be so helpless and whiney these days.
The things you love failed. You are out of it. No one cares what you guys think anymore.
Tell us one thing that the right has gotten right? Just one sucess story. See, you got nothing. that’s why you are on the outside, looking in. Get used to it.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:59 pmkwsventures seems to have lied about that brow sweat…
September 26th, 2009 at 3:28 pmThat Paul whatever the hell his name is just says shit but won’t defend their ideas it seems. What is up with that? In my experience that spells bullshit agenda driven poser. Do you think that is Pauls’ deal? I hope not
September 26th, 2009 at 3:34 pmThe right-wingers who post here constantly b*tch about ‘gummint takeovers’, but when they need fire protection, street work, snow removed from the streets, police protection, etc. etc., then they get all over righteous about ‘taking care of business’.
Considering the contents of each and every winger post here on this thread, we can all be assured that they are at best hypocrites and worst ignorant pissants who spend their time making bloody un-righteous and hateful commentary.
Let them be flagged. I for one will flag any cruel, crude or ignoble comment. I hope everyone else will do the same.
September 26th, 2009 at 3:34 pmtrolls, would you please STFU and think before you post ignorance on the internet for all eternity.
Like millions of uninsured citizens they second guess themselves. she probably thought she had the flu and the COST prevented her from finding out. Afterall she was YOUNG. If the cost wasn’t so outrageous, especially in ERs, she would have went. This is what people do when they lack insurance, douchie.
September 26th, 2009 at 3:37 pmIt really boggles my mind that right-wingers throw this kind of shit out there as if it were a viable solution — as if this is how the system is supposed to work.
They seem to not even be aware that using the ER for general medical problems is just about the least efficient and most expensive way to deliver health care.
They don’t seem to understand that this is not what the ER was designed for, that this is a serious problem with our health care system.
To them, it’s just another way to blame the victim.
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markl,
What the F are you talking about?
September 26th, 2009 at 4:17 pmPat Pomery says:
OBAMA BREAKS ANOTHER PROMISE, CAN’T CLOSE GITMO!
Are you saying that Republicans should drop their opposition to the closure of Gitmo and housing detainees in federal criminal facilities? Then you and I are in agreement. Thanks.
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Pat Pomery says:
The others,obviously,have a right to their opinion.I agree with all of your points, except this one. The progressives don’t think we are entitled to our opinion. If they had their way we wouldn’t be allowed to post here. TP went half the way to silencing differing opinions by incorporating the “vote down” button which they use w/out even reading the post.
I agree that down-voting is being overused. Some wingnuts actually present and defend their political opinions, rather than try to divert the thread into nothing but personal exchanges. Or what’s worse, posting completely irrelevant “news” items to try to change the topic of discussion, as you did above.
But enough discussions have been ruined that some system was necessary. Prior to that, a lot of regulars were using mass-flagging to go after the derailers, which probably made life difficult for the moderation staff. Get rid of flagging? Then the ad-spammers take over. Now all we have to worry about is getting people to shut up about discussing their votes instead of the topic at hand, as you are doing here.
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Outlaw284 says:
Now is it the fed job to take care of the states because they were to stupid to listen to the repeated warnings that they got that the levee’s would hold in a cat. 5 storm. No that was the job of the state.
Yes, the federal government has agencies in place which are mandated to help various states in disaster situations. Also, each state’s National Guard should be available for that purpose, but unfortunately the majority of them had been deployed to Iraq. Finally, maintenance of the levees was supposed to be handled by the Army Corps of Engineers.
All of these agencies were tasked to do this job, and they all failed. Now, you could argue that maybe the federal government shouldn’t be involved in disaster prevention and assistance, and we could debate that in Congress to change the law. But at the time that Katrina hit, the law mandated that the federal government should help. During a disaster isn’t the time that you get to change your mind.
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Outlaw284 says:
They have already shown that it was the State governments fault in La that caused the majority of the deaths from Katrina.
Karl Rove “showed” this, and it turned out to be a lie. The Bush Administration explicitly lied and pretended that the request for assistance hadn’t been filed in order specifically to smear the Governor and legislature during the disaster. Apparently those smears stuck with some people.
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Outlaw284 says:
They had buses that were ready to move people out and the governor told them to wait.
Please cite your source. I was looking for an item on this claim, and everything I could find said that Blanco had quickly gotten city and state buses moving, but that FEMA simply failed to send theirs. If you have a factual reference of any kind, I’d love to see it.
But in any case, what you seem to be doing is called “shifting blame.” Somehow you seem to believe that anything that could have been done better in hindsight at the local level actually reduces the responsibility at the federal level for the agencies involved to actually fulfill their job descriptions. This is false, and patently ridiculous.
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Outlaw284 says:
You people claim that it is the Republicans that are the ones that have all the hate and do all the violance and yet it is your own party that is being arrested and gased and distroying things in Pa.
No it’s not. There are as many Ron Paul’ers there as anybody else. And those people are way too liberal to get behind the current Democratic agenda, or they wouldn’t be protesting anyways.
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Outlaw284 says:
I live in Ca. and no one is complaining about their house when they build on the fault.
This is a lie. Of course people complain when their house is destroyed.
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Pat Pomery says:
How predictable, a progressive playing the race card!
How predictable, a wingnut racist bigot!
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Outlaw284 says:
So you are telling me is that I should have to pay for someone that refuses to pay their share of the cost.
No, that’s what you’re telling me! By refusing to pay your fair share of taxes and to support universal health care, you leave loopholes open for the uninsured and underinsured to either not receive coverage and/or have the costs of their care passed along to me in the least efficient manner possible, increasing my costs.
Even though that girl died, she incurred far more costs to the hospital than an earlier doctor’s visit would have. Should I need to go to that hospital, the costs she incurred there are going to be shifted to everything they charge me for. It would be much cheaper to me to give her health insurance through the government. But you want me to pay more so you can have the “right” to be uninsured.
Just another wingnut leech trying to ride on my economic coat-tails…
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aaronk says:
Person from Vancouver Island dies from swine flu
What? How could this be with their national healthcare system?
You’re right! Also, we should abolish police protection, since murders still happen in countries that have police protection. Since we can’t get rid of it 100%, we should just let the marketplace decide!
/snark
Idiot.
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PaulMorphy says:
Why on earth did she need medical insurance, she could have paid cash. In fact, she didn’t even need cash — the ER would treat her anyway and then send her a bill.
Have you seen howbig an ER bill is? I’ve known people who’ve gone there for very simple things and then get with five-figure bills for a simple outpatient visit.
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PaulMorphy says:
But as I said, this poor girl didn’t seem to think it was worth it to borrow a couple hundred bucks to save her own life…tragic.
Really? If you catch the flue do you automaticaly assume it’s life-threatening? Most people suffer through it, and most people survive it. In most cases, you don’t know whether you have a terminal condition unless you visit a doctor first. And if you can’t afford a regular doctor’s visit, you stay in bed and hope to get through it before Monday. I don’t know what planet you live on, but I’m assuming it’s one that provides you with pretty good health insurance.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:22 pmMarkL says:
Look how they use the death of this poor little girl to try and further their cause. Some poor girl dies and they decide to USE her and try to turn her into some poster child for communism. Amazing.
Communism? WTF? Please higlight the reference to communism in the news post, because I can’t see it.
And it looks to me like you’re advocating completely covering up everything bad that happens as a result of right-wing policies, is that correct? How is that supposed to help America? Or is it just supposed to help wingnuts? Are you admitting that what’s good for America and what’s good for the right wing are completely at odds with each other?
You know, one of the main problems with the functioning of the Soviet Union was that it was illegal to criticize the state of affairs. Nobody could say that they were too poor, or that the quality of goods was bad, or that there were insufficient goods to meet the demand. By law, pointing out that things weren’t going well was a criminal offense, because it constuted “blaming” the country for its own woes. As a result of making it a crime to identify their problems, there was no way to fix their problems, and they ultimately failed as a nation. It sounds to me like you would have been pretty happy with a system like that, huh?
September 26th, 2009 at 4:28 pmRich H, it looks to me like MarkL is arguing with some phantom communists in his head.
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This country’s Health Insurance Industry is the DEATH PANELS, give no quarter, they say, even if the premiums are current. We have a quota to maintain.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:07 pmkwsventures, r paul is going nowhere, just like you.
random electron…..you have to make some kind of sense to get a real response.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:12 pmrandom electron says
reported for abuse: racism
September 26th, 2009 at 5:13 pmit’s “Pelosicare” now, is it?
“Obamacare” not scary enough for you?
I guess women scare our randomizing friend more than blacks. Go figure.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:30 pmPaulMorphy says:
The questions to ask are:
“Did she have auto insurance?”
I’ve got 10 to 1 that she did, probably about $100 month.
“Did she own a car or have car payments?”
I’m gonna say 100 to 1 she had a car, and 3 to 1 she had a payment in the $200 or more range…
Assuming I’m correct, and I am right for 9 out of 10 women her age, then I guess our only solution would be socialized auto insurance and free cars for the poor to solve this crisis.
The cruelty and inhumanity of a person putting a wager on someone’s life is just too much for words. And Aaron and his ilk trying to use her death for political gain…how dare you?!
September 26th, 2009 at 6:05 pmLet me clarify aaron, the whole using the deaths of others in Canada to mock the idea of universal health care, the whole callousness your side portrays, it doesn’t say much about your morals eh?
September 26th, 2009 at 6:18 pmMowery said Young eventually went to an urgent care facility in Hamilton where she was given pain medication and then sent home.
On Tuesday, Sept. 22, Young’s condition suddenly worsened and her roommate drove her to McCullough Hyde Memorial Hospital in Oxford, where she was flown in critical condition to University Hospital in Cincinnati.
Guys, we can’t assume things like you guys did here. She did went when it became serious.
September 26th, 2009 at 6:44 pmWhat is more important for a young 22 year old girl..more spending money or health insurance that she might never need?
When I was that age I didn’t even think of it. You don’t need it until you need it. She won’t need the insurance or the extra spending money anymore. If nothing else I would think her parents would either pay for the insurance or help her with it.
Now on the other hand you can bet Boehner has the best health insurance money can buy. Maybe he really believes in what he says and maybe he believe that young people make foolish choices. He might react differently if he had a son or daughter in college the same age. But then again he is a Republican.
This country has a big problem. The people who can afford to have good insurance don’t want any changes. The people who don’t have good insurance or any at all need the changes. The entire system needs to be evaluated and changed by a non-partisan body of the govt.
September 26th, 2009 at 7:08 pmUSCKitty, the thing is… the wingnuts seem to think that going to the emergency room is the proper way to handle the flu.
September 26th, 2009 at 7:08 pmralph the wonder llama says:
They seem to not even be aware that using the ER for general medical problems is just about the least efficient and most expensive way to deliver health care.
They want it to be more expensive to everybody because the right wing seeks nothing less than the complete and total destruction of America.
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random electron says:
You want the nanny state to change your diapers, go move to Europe.
You want the laissez-faire state to let you die, move to Somalia.
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random electron says:
btw, Democrats have all the power. Why haven’t they rammed Pelosicare through?
Are you offering on behalf of Republicans to drop all opposition to a robust health care reform bill? If so, thanks.
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El, I enjoy reading your responses to the teabaggin trolls, but I voted the idiots down so I don’t have to read their bullshit.
When you repost troll’s idiocy you make my eyes upset.
September 26th, 2009 at 7:20 pmralph the wonder llama,
wow. not only am I a racist, now i am misogynist. It’s Pelosicare because she and her beady-eyed cabana boy Waxman created HR3200. Mr. Hopey-changiness didn’t have the huevos to submit his own bill.
As a former democrat, I’m proud that my comment was voted down. That’s the liberal way…disagree with the Dear Leader, get called a racist and the open minds at “think”"progress”, vote me down.
Oh, how my self-esteem is withering. Maybe I need government sponsored mental health care…my feelings are so, so hurt. I thought hopey-changiness meant we all loved one another and would give peas a chance.
September 26th, 2009 at 8:00 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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Fred: random electron…..you have to make some kind of sense to get a real response.
But you responded…
Fred says:
random electron says
reported for abuse: racism
Racism? Where is my comment is racism?
September 26th, 2009 at 8:09 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
now Dr. Who, did you mean to pile on or to suggest viable alternatives for any college student that might be getting along?
September 26th, 2009 at 8:43 pmWhat is the unmitigatingly hypocritical about this poor girl’s death is that of the 47 million uninisured, the right has said that 10-15 million of those are really young people who should not be mandated to have health insurance if they do not wish.
And now they are touting how she should have had it.
Un-friggin beleiveable!
Hey MarkL you D|CKHEAD.
You will live in a socially ordered world. You can call it Communism or whatever, but it will have a social construct with a fabric of social justice. And this will happen no matter how hard you stomp your pajama bottomed feet. You are a f ucking pussy tool of the Reichwing Whorporations.
I think the term is:
BRING IT ON!
I can’t wait to take out a couple hundred of you traitors.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:17 pmtiredofnopersonalresponsibility says:
It is so sad that this girl chose not to get treated.
She did get treated, but only after it became an emergency, because emergency care is how the uninsured get taken care of. I believe a Republican was recently pointing out that emergency rooms mean we already have universal coverage. The fact that she died exemplifies that this system of coverage is not only inordinately expensive, but ineffectual as well.
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Game of Life says:
El, I enjoy reading your responses to the teabaggin trolls, but I voted the idiots down so I don’t have to read their bullshit.
When you repost troll’s idiocy you make my eyes upset.
You know, if TP were full of nothing but well-reasoned, intelligent progressive comments, neither of us would have any reason to be here.
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random electron says:
It’s Pelosicare because she and her beady-eyed cabana boy Waxman created HR3200. Mr. Hopey-changiness didn’t have the huevos to submit his own bill.
It’s been well documented that much of the reason Bill and Hillary’s 1993 effort at health care reform failed was because they submitted a completed bill to Congress in advance. Many Congresspersons voted against it because they weren’t given the opportunity to help write it. I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that you were critical of the 1993 health care proposal, yes? So doing it differently would be a laudable idea, more inclusive and in line with principles of democracy.
Either you’re for a President submitting a detailed bill to Congress to rubber-stamp, or you’re for a President pushing Congress to write the bill themselves. Or you’re a wingnut playing the “IOKIYAR” game and trying to have it both ways.
All I know, is if he had submitted a complete bill to Congress, you’d be complaining about that right now, instead of complaining about the fact that he didn’t.
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random electron says:
As a former democrat…
Let me guess, you changed parties when the Democrats backed civil rights? Another “Southern Strategy” holdout victim, along with Zell Miller?
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random electron says:
Maybe I need government sponsored mental health care…
Possibly. I wouldn’t argue if some of my taxes went towards fixing what’s wrong with you.
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random electron says:
Move to Somalia??? WTF does that mean?
Quite simple. You want government out of peoples’ lives? Somalia has no government whatsoever. According to your stated preference of a perfect socisty, Somalia qualifies as a right-wing/libertarian paradise. If you believe in what you purport to believe in, you should have a flight scheduled to move there by now.
Oh, never mind the fact that it’s horrifically dangerous there; government intrusion in the form of police protection is superfluous. Never mind that most folks there are starving; at least they aren’t getting government handouts on your tax dollar, huh? And never mind that there’s no legal economy there to speak of; government regulation is what holds economies back. So you move there, become rich, and then tell me all about how useless government is. Until you do, I’ve got no reason to listen to you.
(warning: there are black people there)
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random electron says:
Actually, it’s not a bad idea since half of Somalia has moved here, thanks to our immigration “policy”
No, they haven’t. You just made that up, in your head.
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random electron says:
Go back to math class–Dems have the votes, but not the balls to pass it. They can ram this up the countries ass, but they are afraid too. It reminds me of the vote on Iraq–KerryClintonBreckBoy were all too afraid to vote against the war. Now the Dems have the votes with PaulKirksCorpse(but not Mary Jo Kopechne’s), and they are trying to blame republicans.
I also wish that the Democrats in the Congress and Senate were more “ballsy” and stopped listening to the whiners in the minority, such as yourself. I find it odd that you support ignoring you, but I support it as well.
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random electron says:
Vote me down, vote me down, you bunch of pussies.
OK.
September 26th, 2009 at 11:43 pmDr. Who and a few others seem to be more upset that she didn’t buy insurance than they are with her tragic death. Sounds like the priorities of an Insurance executive.
September 27th, 2009 at 12:30 amElBruce, these people want to turn it into a personal responsibility issue because they don’t want to think about how these things might happen to good people, but rather people whom they can judge as having done wrong. It’s nothing more than a tactic to make themselves feel better.
September 27th, 2009 at 12:39 amthat or they just don’t want to think about their taxpayer dollars going towards a solution that could help ALL…not just the “deserving…” which reminds me, who gets to be the arbiter of who is deserving or not?
Universal health care is the way to go…
September 27th, 2009 at 12:41 amElBruce, I frequently come upon a thread in which you have politely, reasonably and thoroughly dissected a series of statements of troll stupidity, so effectively, so unwaveringly, that the trolls needn’t bother getting up. In doing so, you save many of us the trouble.
For that, you have my deep gratitude and respect.
And as for pasting troll statements in your posts and thus perhaps giving new life to comments long since voted down… you and I both know that sometimes it’s just not nearly as effective if you don’t have the original words to push off of, right?
You just keep on doin’ what you’re doin’.
September 27th, 2009 at 12:45 amWow. I can’t believe I actually read all 686 (at the time of my posting) posts (except the troll garbage thankfully hidden).
Just a little love going out to Eugene Debs from his biggest fan – this has to be one of your best, most succinct insults yet:
“You disgust maggots.”
Perfect.
September 27th, 2009 at 12:52 amSKdeA says:
Wow. I can’t believe I actually read all 686
Holy crap, congratulations!
September 27th, 2009 at 2:28 amPaulMorphy says:
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Hmmm. Had money to pay for tuition to Miami of Ohio for at least 4 years, but wouldn’t buy any insurance or pay cash for a visit to the local urgent care???
I’m guessing you’ve never heard of scholarships and student loans, Paul.
And FWIW, the three times I have gone to urgent care, they’ve pretty much blackmailed me to go the ER. One doctor even told me I had to go because he “didn’t want to read about me in the obituaries the next day.” This BTW was for a charlie horse, mind you – but the ‘good doc’ was convinced I was about to have an embollism, even though I had absolutely NO symptoms of an embollism, and both the ER docs and the tech (who they had to call in from home) were all WTF? All I’ve got is a damn cramp.
September 27th, 2009 at 6:43 amPaulMorphy says:
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Addressing your point about assumptions — I was able to find numerous FREE health clinics in her area and I even posted the links, with address/phone info.
Oh, and at the “free clinic”, the doctor there pretty much prescribed Sudafed and Dimetapp for everything. Both of which, I found out, I am highly allergic too. And of course, this isn’t mentioning the time they *did* prescribe me something…which turned out to have a seriously potential fatal interaction with another prescription I was on at the time. I got lucky with that.
So yeah, please don’t tell me how ERs, urgent cares, and free clinics are my saving grace over having a reliable, CONSISTENT doctor who knows me and my medical history – and whom I can afford.
September 27th, 2009 at 6:51 amPaulMorphy says:
No, They can’t put you in jail for an outstanding medical bill….yet.
I’m guessing you don’t realize that your credit score doesn’t just impact whether or not you can make major purchases, but also whether or not you get a job, a place to live, etc. etc. And it hinders you for years, not just a month or two. So a $2000 bill for a cramp that won’t uncramp and all I need is a simply prescription for a day or two of muscle relaxants at a cost of about $20? Uh no. That’s just not fair.
September 27th, 2009 at 7:03 amDr_Who @683
Your price list is wonderful. A lie, but wonderful if it were true.
Try getting any kind of insurance at all if you are in your late fifeties with any kind of health problem at all.
You can get it but you will pay 1500/month. Minimum.
I always find it amusing when trolls quote fake insurance rates.
September 27th, 2009 at 8:33 amWould this girl have been ‘less dead’ if she were a Nancy Pelosi constituent?? 30% of the 19-24 year olds are not insured?? That means 70% are insured.
Where was her family during this time?? I know its tough for this age group. I have a 23 year old daughter and I buy her health insurance for $100 a month – surely most families can provide that.
The bottom line is – the person you see in the mirror every morning is responsible for your safety and welfare. If you pass that responsibility to the government – you are a fool!
September 27th, 2009 at 11:27 amThe tactics of the left never seem to amaze me. what a sick display of exploitation on the lefts part.
September 27th, 2009 at 11:44 amand you’re not disgusted with the comments of the trolls, Storm?
September 27th, 2009 at 12:24 pmOf course not, Storm. Because you will never attack the trolls attacking her and blaming her for her death, because they’re on your side. Who are the ones exploiting this?
September 27th, 2009 at 12:28 pmYou don’t even know the background of the family, but you love to assume things for political gain, clan4irish. Why don’t you get some info before making your assumptions?
September 27th, 2009 at 12:30 pmHave you ever noticed how when Boehner talks every few seconds a SMILEY SMIRK appears on his face. HE COULD CARE LESS THAT A PRETTY GIRL LIKE HER DIDNT HAVE INSURANCE AS HE BOEHNER DOESNT CARE ABOUT ANYBODY BUT HIMSELF. In my opinion he is a total jerk as are a lot of republicans who dont care that others dont have insurance. Tuff luck they think…….
September 27th, 2009 at 12:30 pmReading these stories just break my heart. How anybody can be against health care reform is beyond me.
September 27th, 2009 at 12:34 pmAre any of you listening to your health department and the Health organizations? The ages for the most deaths are the 20 something’s. They also say to say home if you have the flu and only go to the Doctor if you have sever symptoms or have a pre-existing condition. Our county has two schools with large segments of children out sick and the health department is not testing for swine flu because they are sure that is what they have.
My son and daughter went to college and then lived on their own until they found a job that provided health insurance. They paid for their own health insurance once they were no longer be on mine. $66-99 a month for people in their teens and twenties from Blue Cross and Kaiser is what it cost. $20 co-pay and yes a high Deductable but they were responsible for themselves. They worked themselves though college and made the choice of health insurance over another party. Rely on yourself not the government people.
When my children were young we had no insurance so I budgeted each month, money not used for my daughters chronic ear infections not used was saved for the next doctor trip and medication. Then we made monthly payment to hospitals if we had an emergency. No we were not rich we were eligible to Food Stamps but did not take them because we lived within our needs and ate very well.
Yes, some people will die from the Swine Flu but don’t blame it on no insurance. People make choices and emergency rooms will never refuse treatment, it’s the law. Set up payment plans.
September 27th, 2009 at 12:40 pmMore “assumptions” for you …
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1198613/Swine-flu-deaths-UK-double-country-highest-number-cases-world.html
“As the shocking figures were released a leaked internal memo warned last night that the NHS is not ready to deal with a swine flu epidemic because of ‘muddled’ emergency plans and time-wasting bureaucracy.”
And most of you idiots would prefer it this way and never lament another unecessary death under a system like this…
“However, Sir Liam admitted it was unknown how many in the UK were suffering from the virus as many would be treating themselves at home rather than contacting their GP.”
There’s a lot more very good info in this article — and it illustrates what is TRULY a tragedy — Not dying because you chose not to seek care, but dying under a government controlled health beauracracy, because there are no other alternatives….other than “caring for yourself”…
September 27th, 2009 at 12:45 pmclan4irish says:
Would this girl have been ‘less dead’ if she were a Nancy Pelosi constituent??
Nope, Boehner opposes universal coverage across the entire country, placing people at risk everywhere, not only in his home district.
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clan4irish says:
30% of the 19-24 year olds are not insured?? That means 70% are insured.
70%? Way to go, America! Give yourself a pat on the back. You totally won the Special Olympics of Nationhood!
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clan4irish says:
Where was her family during this time??
Apparently having fingers pointed at them by ignorant commenters on the Internet who prefer to blame the victim rather than to make anything better.
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Denice says:
People make choices and emergency rooms will never refuse treatment, it’s the law.
As we have pointed out over and over and over again since the top of this thread, by the time something is an emergency, it’s often life threatening. That’s kind of the definition of “emergency.”
People shouldn’t have the choice not to be covered. There’s no possibility under which that’s a good idea. Now you can launch from that to victim blaming, but a better solution to the problem (you know, the stuff we Progressives do) is to make that “choice” a non-issue by implementing universal coverage.
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PaulMorphy says:
it illustrates what is TRULY a tragedy — Not dying because you chose not to seek care, but dying under a government controlled health beauracracy, because there are no other alternatives….other than “caring for yourself”…
I bet the wingnuts would point out that the dead people always had the option of not getting sick in the first place, and that if they were going to be so irresponsible as to catch diseases, it’s nobody else’s fault but their own if they die.
September 27th, 2009 at 12:56 pmAlot of you on here need to WAKE THE HELL UP! As a former resident of Ohio I can confirm the young woman could have been seen at ANY emergency room she visited, without insurance. There are also thousands of free clinics for the poor and uninsured in Ohio she could have went to. And while smearing Boehner, are you also smearing pro- public option leaders for the deaths in their regions? Thought not. For those on here crying about the deaths of people from illness and war, where are your tears for the asisted suicide deaths in Washington and Oregon? Where are your tears for the 50 million babies aborted? Seems as if you hadn’t killed off 50 million babies, they’d be paying taxes now to support S.S. and medicare and medicaid etc. to keep them solvent instead of 11 trillion in unfunded mandates.Can’t have it both ways. If it is so immoral for people to die from illness or war, it is just as immoral for people to die from abortion and assisted suicide
September 27th, 2009 at 1:06 pmElBruce says,
“People shouldn’t have the choice not to be covered. There’s no possibility under which that’s a good idea. Now you can launch from that to victim blaming, but a better solution to the problem (you know, the stuff we Progressives do) is to make that “choice” a non-issue by implementing universal coverage.”
Well, I can guess your next step is that no one should be able to state their opinion. There will be less stress and murder, if everyone is a government robot. Doing what the government says.
My choice to not listen to someone that tells me, it is good for me so I have to do it.
September 27th, 2009 at 1:13 pmand who says there are no trolls exploiting swine flu for political gain? *rolls eyes…
government can be inefficient, but so can the private sector. Do you think the private sector can deal with a pandemic of this magnitude any better?
September 27th, 2009 at 1:14 pmShe didn’t die from the swine flu, so you can get off Boehner’s back about it.
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090926/NEWS16/909269995
September 27th, 2009 at 2:17 pmYou know the truth is we can not afford the healthcare that we have come to expect in this country. This girl couldnt afford it. Most of the rest of us pay it but really cant afford it. The government plan is absolutely not a good answer. They cant make it affordable either. So we all are going to have to learn to live with what we can afford. Less than steller health care. Give it over to the government and it becomes like fannie or freddie…Broke. Or social security…..going broke. Or medicare….almost broke. The tresury……9 trillion in debt and skyroketing. Sounds to me that public healthcare doesnt need to go down that same government road to
September 27th, 2009 at 3:48 pmcomplete bancruptcy….. But some in government will say this is different. I say fix one, just one of these other programs first and then you can have the healthcare system…… Wont happen.
Insurance companies are the leeches of our time. They do no good but take huge amounts of money from our health care system and use it to overpay executives and lobbyists that work against the best interests of the very customers they are supposed to representing. It’s time to stop using leeches and proceed to a more rational approach.
September 27th, 2009 at 4:13 pmDoes it make a difference if it was swine flu or not? She died from a sickness that she couldn’t get treatment for.
September 27th, 2009 at 4:34 pmKimberly “Kimi” Dora Young of Oxford, Ohio, a Miami University graduate who would have turned 23 Sunday, died at University Hospital in Cincinnati on Wednesday from complications of viral pneumonia, according to the family.
Yes she could’ve been treated — she made a choice not to be treated, sad to say, she must have listened to you libs when you sad repetedly that she could not be if she did not have insurance. in simple lay-mans terms you scared her to death
September 27th, 2009 at 5:21 pmWhat don’t you understand about…
“Mowery said Young eventually went to an urgent care facility in Hamilton where she was given pain medication and then sent home.
On Tuesday, Sept. 22, Young’s condition suddenly worsened and her roommate drove her to McCullough Hyde Memorial Hospital in Oxford, where she was flown in critical condition to University Hospital in Cincinnati.”
Can you guys read?
September 27th, 2009 at 6:17 pmYes she could’ve been treated — she made a choice not to be treated, sad to say, she must have listened to you libs when you sad repetedly that she could not be if she did not have insurance. in simple lay-mans terms you scared her to death
Very classy…apparently her death doesn’t mean anything to you but political points…very classy of you…
September 27th, 2009 at 6:18 pmyes yes the rational approach is lets let the government run it. Lets see…. if my car is broken, lets take a sledge hammer to it and see if it fixes itself. About as rational. The government fixes nothing and has a very long clean track record of actually mis managing all it gets its hands on. THink.
September 27th, 2009 at 7:37 pmUSCKitty says:
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Yes she could’ve been treated — she made a choice not to be treated, sad to say, she must have listened to you libs when you sad repetedly that she could not be if she did not have insurance. in simple lay-mans terms you scared her to death
Very classy…apparently her death doesn’t mean anything to you but political points…very classy of you…
It seems to me that you libs are the ones using this as a political wedge to get your national health care rammed down my neck, it is sad that she died needlessly so you can get your gain
September 27th, 2009 at 7:55 pmIt seems to me that you libs are the ones using this as a political wedge to get your national health care rammed down my neck, it is sad that she died needlessly so you can get your gain
WE want everyone to be covered. In simple layman’s terms, that’s all. Coverage. For everyone.
Why are you jackasses so scared of that?
September 27th, 2009 at 9:51 pmi aint you says:
USCKitty says:
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Yes she could’ve been treated — she made a choice not to be treated, sad to say, she must have listened to you libs when you sad repetedly that she could not be if she did not have insurance. in simple lay-mans terms you scared her to death
Very classy…apparently her death doesn’t mean anything to you but political points…very classy of you…
It seems to me that you libs are the ones using this as a political wedge to get your national health care rammed down my neck, it is sad that she died needlessly so you can get your gain
Look who is playing the blame game…You’re the one blaming the “libs” for “scaring her to death” and you’re the one who refuses to see that all we want to do is to make sure that this never happens again. Why are you so scared of universal health care?
September 27th, 2009 at 10:05 pmWhy I am so against U/H let me count the ways,
First I’d rather hand feed a rabid dog raw meat, as that is what it is like when you give the government money.
Second, why should I have to pay for dead beat losers like you when you don’t want to pay for yourselves?
Third, it is not your reasonability to pay for me or my family, let alone the government paying for me (Call it American pride or foolishness if you will).
Forth, I work in an industry that is so regulated by the Feds that it has all but gone by the way of the doe doe bird. If one regulation doesn’t work, just fix it with another regulation and so on and so on.
Fifth, why do I have to pay for dead beat losers like you when you don’t want to pay for yourselves?
Sixth, I have in the past tried to get help from the government and was turned away, so I ask you why should I believe they want to “help” me now?
Seventh, I have a copy of the bill saved to my PC, and have read it five times over and there is nothing in it that appeases, or entices me in any form or fashion
September 28th, 2009 at 1:43 amWoah,what a terrible moment!
September 28th, 2009 at 5:50 ami aint you says:
Tough. This is happening… we will make sure that everyone receives coverage.
I would say sorry but the truth is you will benefit, whether you want it or not.
September 28th, 2009 at 12:21 pmAre we sure that this was the swine flu and not the dirty filthy stinking hippie flu?
Your prez is an EPIC FAILURE!!!!
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform
September 28th, 2009 at 12:34 pmShow some class, TROLL…722…
and how do we know you’re a troll? For the lack of decency and also citing a GOP-biased poll…It’d be like me posting a Daily Kos poll on Free Republic…
September 28th, 2009 at 1:37 pmBullshit, 719, I doubt you read it…
September 28th, 2009 at 1:45 pmBawreck Omerica says:
Are we sure that this was the swine flu and not the dirty filthy stinking hippie flu?
You have no spark of humanity; otherwise, you would have never made that comment.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:32 pmSorry folks. Turns out this story is INCORRECT. This woman did NOT die of “swine flu”. And she was probably uninsured by choice, a choice that will be taken away from us under these poor “health care control, uhm, reform” bills.
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Toledo Paper: Miami Grad Did Not Die Of H1N1
http://www.kypost.com/content/wcposhared/story/Toledo-Paper-Miami-Grad-Did-Not-Die-Of-H1N1/almpyQyRdUGYRxIC6VmDpw.cspx
September 29th, 2009 at 8:01 am675. which is why we need universal health care, not this faux reform bill pushed by Baucus doing the bidding of the health insurance company…
September 29th, 2009 at 6:09 pmVery classy…apparently her death doesn’t mean anything to you but political points…very classy of you…
September 30th, 2009 at 1:53 amhp sony,toshiba battery
It seems to me that you libs are the ones using this as a political wedge to get your national health care rammed down my neck, it is sad that she died needlessly so you can get your gain
Thanks for the accurate report joebo. Anyways, many people die who have appropriate health care, too. I’m sure there are many facts left out of this story to make her the poster child for political reasons. Perhaps national health care will work. Look at the government health care models in place now (i.e. VA hospitals, Medicare, Medicaid). How happy are the people enrolled in these programs? Is the level of care acceptable? Just ask them.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:10 pmKimi actually did not die of the swine flu, but pneumonia.
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090926/NEWS01/909270375/Report++Miami+grad+didn+t+die+of+H1N1
Doesn’t change the point this is trying to make, but I wanted to make sure the facts were correct.
October 2nd, 2009 at 12:38 pm