What Happens When The ‘Ron Paul Revolution’ Meets Michele Bachmann
What Happens When The ‘Ron Paul Revolution’ Meets Michele Bachmann
Yesterday, the Young Americans for Liberty sponsored an event at the University of Minnesota that brought together the odd pairing of Reps. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) and Ron Paul (R-TX). Bachmann solicited Paul for the event, hoping that his presence would help her attract support from young conservatives and libertarians.
Writing for The Daily Beast, Maureen O’Connor notes that the event melded two “wingnut worlds“: “the fanatically religious Bush-era neocon, a flag-waving patriot who likens gay sex to bestiality and fantasizes about lobbing nukes at Iran” and the libertarian “Ron Paul Revolution.” Indeed, for Bachmann, the presence of Paul created numerous awkward moments, particularly as the Texas congressman sermonized at length about his isolationist views. For example, Paul said:
– We should never go to war if they’re telling us a lie about what’s happening. … We took the position, over my strong objection, we took the position that we had to have regime change in Iraq.
– What they’re getting ready to do is put very, very strong sanctions on Iran. … But sanctions, and blockades, and prevention like this is an act of war.
– The proper foreign policy under the Constitution is non-intervention and mind our own business.
– I say bring all the troops home — Japan, Korea, and Germany.
For Bachmann — a typical neoconservative on foreign policy issues — Paul’s rhetoric stunned her into stone-cold silence. O’Connor describes the scene:
As Paul spoke passionately about ending all military operations and keeping government out of people’s “lifestyles,” a lone heckler began to shout, “Tell her!” Bachmann remained serene, hands folded in her lap, facing Paul. Bringing up Obama’s announcement that Iran had secret underground nuclear facilities, Paul announced that he had had enough of “fear-mongering” for the sake of the “military-industrial complex.” Bachmann, who once advocated nuking Iran, kept her eyes trained on Paul as her heckler repeated, “Tell her! Tell Michele! Tell her!”
Bachmann issued a very simple statement saying that she believes in “the mission of our men and women fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.” The UpTake has posted video of Ron Paul’s speech last night. Watch it:
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September 26th, 2009 at 12:38 pmTheocrats can never be libertarians, no matter how hard they try.
They continue to nail John Galt to the cross, and try to pass him off as Jesus, but the libertarian social agenda keeps getting in the way.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:43 pmRon Paul loves Stormfront.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:50 pmFor Bachmann — a typical neoconservative on foreign policy issues — Paul’s rhetoric stunned her into stone-cold silence.
Well, that’s an improvement. In general, it’s better to be quiet and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.
In Bimbo Bachmann’s case, however, it’s way too late to doubt it anymore.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:54 pmI was going to ask, “What was Bachmann thinking?” but then I remembered that Bachmann doesn’t think — she reacts.
Ron Paul knew he was going to dominate this little dog and pony show.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:55 pmWhat Happens When The ‘Ron Paul Revolution’ Meets Michele Bachmann
– - This is the most mismatched notion since ‘tasty’ was used to describe tofu.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:56 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Politically Superior fancies herself a judge of character? I like this for joke of the day.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:58 pmIt’s really a predictable mistake by Crazy Shelly. She’s too effing stupid to realize that Ron Paul despises her approach as much as anyone’s.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:00 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I can just hear GOP leaders yelling:
Bad Uroborus! Bad! Bad! Uroborus! in response to this “gathering of crazies in a nest from the pit of the evilest of places”. Sadly, that place is Michele’s district in Minn.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:02 pmPolitically Superior says:
Well, there you go…One kook commenting on two other kooks, it just can’t get better then that.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:02 pmAnd, Mr. Paul’s true colors are on display here as well. The mere fact he would allow himself to be associated with the stupidest Rep in Washington displays a real lack of character.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:03 pmFreeze that bullshit kid Politically Superior. He really isn’t a kid but he is here for insincere reasons.Oh and he is also a housebound pos loser but that is besides the point…
September 26th, 2009 at 1:04 pmSort of like crazy oil and crazy water. You might get them to mix for an evening but I wouldn’t plan on salad for dinner.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:05 pmShorter troll.
“As long as they use my tax dollars to kill brown people? It’s good enough for stupid trolls like me.”
September 26th, 2009 at 1:05 pmStill that shit about America minding its own business is sort of priceless…
September 26th, 2009 at 1:07 pmBachmann is a repugs wet dream, when will the media catch one of them tossing it into Shelly.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:07 pmNormally, one would need to display some superior qualities to take the title of “superior”. Alas, our misnamed troll shows nothing but inferior qualities. He’s as dishonest as he is stupid. I’m afraid there’s no known cure.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:08 pmPolitically Superior says:
Paulbots are easy to spot.
– - Really, Paulbots? That’s the best ya got? Paulestinians.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:11 pmAnd Ron needs to understand that the USA was minding our own business until the morning of september 11th 2001
– - Uhhh, not so much.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:12 pmI realize it is twisted but they thrive on negative attention.Please deny their loser asses…
September 26th, 2009 at 1:12 pmOne will also find that muscle minded tank brains like our stupid pet trolls have no grasp of history. I’m sure they can name America’s most bloody wars but, can they name a single bloodless revolution? Do they realize the significance of the rise and fall of the Roman Empire? Can they comprehend that the greatest prosperity is always during times of peace?
September 26th, 2009 at 1:14 pmWell, they agree on one thing. Anarchy.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:15 pmPolitically Superior says:
Libertarians are batshit insane. They are still better than liberals though. Ron Paul is a kook.
Wow. You just called Glenn Beck insane.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:16 pmRepugs sense of history is spin. They think they could have won Vietnam by nuking Hanoi.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:17 pmWay to airbrush!
September 26th, 2009 at 1:17 pmNope. The mouth-breathing Bachmann (InsaneR-Mn.) fans are already convinced that their heroine put Paul in his place. Even though she just dumbly sat there while he called her a moron. Alas, she and her supporters are too effing stupid to realize much of anything beyond their childish fears.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:18 pmNormally, one would need to display some superior qualities to take the title of “superior”.
I think “Politically Smarmtacular” would be a better handle for that poor, pathetic, ignorant, bombastic, hate-filled, bombastic, putrid little troll.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:19 pmSpinn Wreck. Pointlessness defined.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:19 pmBawkmann for Slice Resident TwentyTwelve!
September 26th, 2009 at 1:22 pmOf course, Crazy Shelly is so, dumb as a stump, stupid that she really Believes that anyone with an (R) after their name is as stupid and delusional as she is. There’s lots of stupid Republicans but she’s still in a class of her own with the possible exception of Inhofe. But she’s definitely the “Queen of Stupidity” in the U.S. House.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:22 pm– We should never go to war if they’re telling us a lie about what’s happening. … We took the position, over my strong objection, we took the position that we had to have regime change in Iraq.
– What they’re getting ready to do is put very, very strong sanctions on Iran. … But sanctions, and blockades, and prevention like this is an act of war.
– The proper foreign policy under the Constitution is non-intervention and mind our own business.
– I say bring all the troops home — Japan, Korea, and Germany.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:24 pmOops….
September 26th, 2009 at 1:24 pmShelly may have flamed herself out for this next election. Alot of money will be given to a better candidate to run against her. One would hope. A little scandal would be nice to make sure of it.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:24 pmOh wow. The blind leading the blind…
Or more accurately, the inmates running the asylum. Yikes.
INSANAPALOOZA!! – complete with InsanaPaulLosers!!
September 26th, 2009 at 1:25 pmIf Ron Paul were half as smart, or honest, as his supporters think? He would ditch that (R) after his name. But, it gives him an air of legitimacy among the stupidest fifth of the American electorate.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:26 pmPolitically Superior says:
And Ron needs to understand that the USA was minding our own business until the morning of september 11th 2001
September 26th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Srsly, you’re going to lead with that?
Hey, we knew you were stupid, but thanks for confirming that you’re more stupid than we ever realized. And that’s really saying something.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:35 pmShe has scandals too, Rab. She’s collected almost $200,000 in subsidies for a farm she rents out while voting against farm subsidies, has funneled dirty money from a convicted swindler to a “charity” that gave her campaign contributions, and has committed countless campaign violations including enlisting preachers to endorse her from the pulpit.
Plus, her apparent Democratic opponent is already collecting huge contributions and her major independent opponent is making noise that he will sit this one out rather than draw votes from her opponent. Add that to the wish for revenge against the Minnesota GOP over the whole Franken tantrum?
Crazy Shelly might participate in the most nationalized congressional race in U.S. history. That works to our advantage because the national press identifies her as an extremist while the local press calls her a “family values conservative”.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:36 pmOops, I have trodden on Badmoodman’s toes. He got to the PoS at #21, and more succinctly too. My bad.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:39 pmThat is far too much stupid in one place at one time. It could reach critical stupid mass and cause an explosion of stupid with stupidity falling all over the place.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:39 pmLets play a game….Here are the possible statements Michele Bachmann would have said regarding the same three issues Ron that Ron Paul brought:
Bachmann: We should always go to war, even if they are telling us a lie about what is happening…But only when the republicans are in charge…
Bachmann: If we are too cowardly to attack Iran with bombs and bullets from God we must opt for plan B and starve the Iranian citizens to death with civil blockades, it’s what Jesus would do.
Bachmann: The proper foreign policy is one which uses brute military force to crush the enemy so that we can impose our form of government on the people of the countries we conquer. As God’s chosen country/people we must spread our brand of religious ideology to the rest of the world through military force if need be to save these people from the wicked.
Bachmann: I say send troops to Iran, Syria, Venezuela, North Korea, China and Russia, God is on our side and will guide us to these great military victories…trust me, I spoke with him.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:40 pmZooey,
One just can’t argue with that level of stupidity. Any idiot who’s taken the barest minimum of history will realize that the Good Ol’ U.S.A. hasn’t “minded our own business” since before WW2.
I bet he doesn’t realize that Japan bombed Pearl Harbor because we cut off their oil. And, of course, it would be utterly useless to show him a time line of American intervention in the Mideast.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:42 pmZooey says:
Oops, I have trodden on Badmoodman’s toes.
– - Heh.
But with my size 13-Ds it’s easy to do.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:42 pmAnd the neanderthals cheered at Bachmanns words…. ;)
September 26th, 2009 at 1:42 pm39. Pete ….. I agree and I live in MN but the two major papers don’t come close to exposing her craziness. She’s just thought of as outspoken……I hope that changes.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:43 pm“Politically Superior says:”
Are you, by inference, a Political Supremacistt?
Do you have any trademark physical manifestations we can watch out for?
Extremely well greased, platinum blond hair?
September 26th, 2009 at 1:44 pmExceptionally well greased palms?
What kind of boots?
You might be on to something there, eyeswideopen1. I live just a couple miles away and I’ve been feeling a little fuzzy around the edges. I was thinking it might be because of last nights beer but now I’m growing concerned that I’m living under a cloud of batscat stupidity.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:44 pmpete says:
September 26th, 2009 at 1:45 pm““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““
Congratulations Pete, you unknowingly gave the ignorant right wing troll a brief but free online history lesson when you stated “When Japan bombed Pearl Harbor…” all this time the poor, little troll thought it was the Germans who had bombed Pearl Harbor….
Rab, I’m from Minnesota too and you are right the local news stations treat her like a…’mavericky’…independent, controversial figure, never calling her out for her insanity, I guess it’s that darn liberal media?
September 26th, 2009 at 1:48 pmRab,
The lack of coverage in the local media is scandalous. And it’s downright embarrassing that they give her a platform to rail against “the librul media back home” while they utterly fail to call her on anything. The “librul media” she rails against is her savior and protector.
It’s going to be hard to beat her if her constituents never hear a single report on her extreme batscat. But, I’m anxious to see if the federal DNC dollars can flood the airwaves with ads that simply show her being an extremist. And maybe they can shame Don Shelby into calling her a kook.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:51 pmIt seems Michele is just pandering to the Ron Pauliacs in Minnesota, God I hope the DFL have a good opponent lined up against her!
September 26th, 2009 at 1:53 pmI live just a few blocks outside Crazy Shelly’s district. When I first moved here I thought I was in her district. I was actually a bit disappointed I didn’t have the pleasure of voting against her.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:56 pmnice to see noseeum
September 26th, 2009 at 2:01 pmIt’s early but it already looks like Tarryl Clark will be her opponent. She’s a strong candidate and doesn’t have an apparent third party opponent and she doesn’t have the unfortunate last name of Tinklenberg. Plus, Crazy Shelly has another year to make an ass of herself on national T.V.
Alas, it’s all going to hinge on whether we can make the extremist label stick. It’s going to be hard to counteract every evangelical in the district being brainwashed into Believing she’s on a mission from God.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:03 pmTogether, they stand a decent chance of finally uniting the
disgruntled, low-information white people
and the
disgruntled, low information white people
They are truly workin’ some miracles.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:03 pmnoseeum says:
Are you, by inference, a Political Supremacistt?
Do you have any trademark physical manifestations we can watch out for?
Extremely well greased, platinum blond hair?
Exceptionally well greased palms?
What kind of boots?
September 26th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
666 tattooed somewhere on the body?
(nice to see you again, noseeum)
September 26th, 2009 at 2:05 pmthanks, dbadass, two more weeks and I’ll be out of the wilderness for the winter…
What kind of tatoo-ery do you think our Political Supremacist might sport?
I’m guessing a lot of forked-tongue symbology…
September 26th, 2009 at 2:06 pmI might add that, once the race becomes news, I’ll be posting appeals all over the blogs to contact local media sources who drop the ball. I’ll be frequently posting the contact information for the Strib, Pioneer Press, and local T.V. and radio outlets.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:07 pmMy gawd, Zooey, all this time and we’re still only a minute out of synch…
September 26th, 2009 at 2:08 pm;)
noseeum says:
My gawd, Zooey, all this time and we’re still only a minute out of synch…
;)
September 26th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Never lose that touch, eh? ;)
September 26th, 2009 at 2:11 pmTattoos? Trolls? Nah!
I can’t picture any of our cowardly trolls subjecting themselves to the pain of a tattoo. They might pen slogans on their beloved flesh but I don’t see them going under the needle. The only real tattoos our trolls are likely to get would be the ones that say “Property of ______” when they finally wind up in prison.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:11 pmNevar.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:12 pm“They might pen slogans on their beloved flesh….”
On their palms, to be exact.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:14 pmHow else can they carry on a discourse?
Just looked at that podium photo again.
It’s like a low-rent re-enactment of
“Johnnymac and SarahP Run for the White House”
September 26th, 2009 at 2:16 pm“What Happens When The ‘Ron Paul Revolution’ Meets Michele Bachmann?”
You get Pat Buchanan? ;)
September 26th, 2009 at 2:17 pmA typical Bachmann supporter.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/09/destroy_your_computer_now.php
September 26th, 2009 at 2:19 pm“The Revolution Will Not Be Televised”
Gil Scott Heron
September 26th, 2009 at 2:19 pmCrazy Shelley; “In”
September 26th, 2009 at 2:23 pmRon Paul; “Out”
CS, “In”
RP, “Out”
In Out In Out
And that’s what the hokey-pokey’s all about…
Ron Paul’s ideals are consistent with those of many of my 19th century ancestors, that migrated from Virginia and Tennessee. They were members of the Democratic Party, but did not care to be taxed or have their children die in wars, as many did, at the bidding of the Federal Government. Texas was settled by many of these independent types after the Civil War.
It’s not suprising that Dr. Paul’s message is so popular with college students. Several that I know are stong supporters of him,
and detest the Beck corporate teaparty farce.
Bachmann is only feining support because Paul has a large youthful following, critical of Democratic policy. Her politics are theocratic and corporatist. I’m sure she will be voicing her support for the Heritage Foundation’s call for war on Iran in the following weeks.
I’m not a follower of Pauls, by any means, and I can’t conceive how a Libertarian dominated government could function or survive in the 21st century. In listening to Paul, I do hear the distant voice of our independent settlers. I think Paul and Senator Bernie Sanders contribute a healthy, contrasting perspective, much needed in our political discourse.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:26 pmRon Paul says: “I say bring all the troops home — Japan, Korea, and Germany.”
Uh, Ron, you left out 174 countries!
Politically Superior says: the USA was minding our own business until the morning of september 11th 2001.
Uh, if you leave out the 750 bases in 177 countries, funding Israel’s destruction of the Palestinians and Lebanese, the overthrowing of democratic governments such as Iran in 1953 and the setting up of puppet governments, putting Saddam in power in the 60’s and strongly supporting him under Reagan and GHW Bush, propping up a military dictatorship in Pakistan, strongly funding the Taliban and al Qaeda under Reagan and GHW Bush, etc., etc.
How come I see nine different #61’s?
September 26th, 2009 at 2:38 pmWell, I agree that the FED needs auditing.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:39 pmOr alternatively, one call describe this as “when ding meets bat,” they become “good friends” and produce, tadah, a little brood of fine young dingbats…
September 26th, 2009 at 2:41 pmAgain with the winkle logic. The WTC was attacked during Clintons term. Why ‘everything changed’ jingoism started not then, but on 9 2001 is just, well, winkleism.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:42 pmI thought in this country we held elections not revolutions. How does Ron Paul get away with being a House member and calling for a revolution at the same time?
September 26th, 2009 at 2:46 pm“71: I should add: supporting repressive governments such as Egypt and Algeria.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:49 pm“For Bachmann — a typical neoconservative on foreign policy issues — Paul’s rhetoric stunned her into stone-cold silence.”
A definite lost opportunity for a true believer. Too bad she isn’t like Lot’s wife who was turned into a pillar of salt.
Now, that would be justice.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:52 pmI thought Ron Paul was smarter than this. To share a stage with Michelle Bachman is as low as you can go. It is like being seen with Sarah Palin. Why doesn’t he just wear a Tee-shirt with ‘I’m with Stupid!’ on it?
September 26th, 2009 at 2:54 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Tundra@79, LOL! No offense, but the thought of those two sharing a ticket makes me laugh. First of, they are both tiny. Second, they look a little odd. Next to Obama’s tall, lean, energenic look, they look like a couple of Hobbits.
September 26th, 2009 at 3:05 pmI thought in this country we held elections not revolutions. How does Ron Paul get away with being a House member and calling for a revolution at the same time?
His constituents elected a revolutionary?
September 26th, 2009 at 3:06 pmthey look like a couple of Hobbits
Good Point. hmmmmm
Frodo/Sam 2012
September 26th, 2009 at 3:08 pmSo did the people in the country of the mouse that roared.
September 26th, 2009 at 3:08 pmIt hasnt crossed your mind that grassroots movements are politically valuable – -
September 26th, 2009 at 3:12 pmMy complaint with Ron Paul’s agenda is that it just won’t work. The end result of Libertarianism is Anarchy, and Anarchy is unsustainable. But I do gotta say about Paul is that his philosophy is consistent, and is neither completely insane nor hypocritical.
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Politically Superior says:
Also isolationism never works, it would be seen as weakness.
While I agree that we have a responsibility to play a necessary leadership role in world events, only neocons are so worried about whether people on the other side of the globe think they’re pu55ies. Of course everybody does anyway. Your weakness is undisguisable, no matter how much killing you advocate.
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Tundra says:
Kucinich/Paul 2012
That’d be some high weirdness right there. Can we throw Nader into that mix?
September 26th, 2009 at 3:30 pmnoseeum,
Gil Scott Heron,
Winter in America.
September 26th, 2009 at 3:33 pmEl@85, Maybe Nader/Perot? Now that would be weird.
September 26th, 2009 at 3:37 pmThat’d be some high weirdness right there.
Could of happpened, would sure have been interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJcnoDfFWhM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py8cXlLyX18
September 26th, 2009 at 3:38 pmIf we dissect Ron Paul’s positions, he is advocating the dismantling of foreign policy and our ability to influence events. He is wrong when he asserts that non-intervention is foreign policy under the Constitution. There is no language that speaks to what our foreign policy is or should be. Isolationism was prevalent until WWI and since that time has waned and has little support from the public.
He is also incorrect that blockades and sanctions are acts of war. Prior to the League of Nations, these acts could be construed as an act of war. But the US blockaded Cuba during the missle crisis. If we accept Paul’s idea that it is an act of war, then the US would have started WWIII. Blockades and sanctions have become a means of enforcement of the UN and are taken as a collective measure. This does not imply a declaration of war.
A better foreign policy might be less intervention in other countries or less troops, but would not lead to a wholesale dismantling of the US foreign policy that Paul is advocating. There have been interventions that are justified such as Afghanistan, WWI and WWII. Failure to take actions would have put the US in greater danger for further attacks. The US is a world power and Paul would reduce the country to a minor player on the world scene.
Ron Paul’s positions might look good in theory but are ridiculous. The same analysis can be applied to his economic theories. He advocates the wholesale dismantling of the federal regulatory agencies. This is the same position that Republicans are advocating. The inherent problem with this free market theory is that it fails to recognize the abuses of the free market system. Madoff and Enron are just two examples. The free market without regulation would have allowed the massive frauds perpetrated by these players. Tainted food and bad drugs would also be turned loose in the market. If you look back at the drug Thalidomide, the US Surgeon General would not allow this drug in the 1950’s. Europe did allow this drug and it resulted in major birth defects in children. Again, Paul cannot specify how his free market theory would stop these things.
September 26th, 2009 at 3:38 pmpags2 says:
Madoff and Enron are just two examples. The free market without regulation would have allowed the massive frauds perpetrated by these players.
This is a great example of a question to put to Paulites – should what Madoff and Enron did have been legal?
September 26th, 2009 at 3:43 pmElBruce says:
This is a great example of a question to put to Paulites – should what Madoff and Enron did have been legal?
Paultards do not have an answer to my questions.
September 26th, 2009 at 3:47 pmThis is a great example of a question to put to Paulites – should what Madoff and Enron did have been legal?
No, it’s currently illegal and not even Ron Paul is saying it shouldn’t be. Ron Paul doesn’t even say “Anarchy”. He says that there is too much spending. In another discussion about Kucinich he notes that if we stopped spending so much overseas and brought the money here to fund the programs he would be happy with that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx9a4hNeIRo&feature=related
Many people take him talking about too much government and feel he means “get rid of all government” which is not the case at all. They take his views and push them so far to the extreme they sound just as stupid as when people take Kucinich’s views and claim he is calling for full socialism.
September 26th, 2009 at 3:49 pmRon Paul + Michelle Bachmann = A Special Kind of Crazy
September 26th, 2009 at 3:56 pmPaul has advocated abolish virtually every agency except the FBI, CIA, Justice and Defense Dept. That is his idea of a limited government. That is pretty much what we had around the early part of the 20th century, the time when investors were defrauded, robber barons, no labor laws, no banking regulation, etc. He has no idea as to how to stop the abuses. His theories on the Constitution are just as ridiculous as the Republicans. Just because a federal agency is not mentioned in the Constitution does not mean it is unconstitutional. The document is a broad outline for government.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:08 pmlibertarianism is the
professional con man’s best friend.
s/b called “Swindlerism” instead.
Sssssnake oil, anyone??
September 26th, 2009 at 4:10 pmSo, let me see if I have this straight….Bachmann is trying to indoctrinate the young Ron Paul supporters to her side. Oh I get it! Indoctrination is a right wing thing. Nevermind.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:18 pmPoliticaly Superior: if you have to tell everbody you are superior it usually means you are not…
“And Ron needs to understand that the USA was minding our own business until the morning of september 11th 2001″
You need to reasearch history: the US has been in the Middle East’s business for DECADES!!!! Google “Rumsfield/Saddam” and see the picture of those two shaking hands. Just so you can fill your tank…and tons of money was made, just NOT for us who don’t work for the government.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:18 pmPolitically Superior says: the USA was minding our own business until the morning of september 11th 2001.
Suz is right, also who supported the very person who attacked us when the Soviets were in Afganastan?
Far from minding our own business with that man, hell we helped create him.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:25 pmI like the idea that Ron Paul teabaggers, the birthers, tenthers, Dixiecrats, etc., are affiliated with the Republican party. And the Republicans can’t figure out why they are losing elections. Go figure.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:26 pmBadmoodman says:
What Happens When The ‘Ron Paul Revolution’ Meets Michele Bachmann
– – This is the most mismatched notion since ‘tasty’ was used to describe tofu
HEY, that is a disservice to tofu. I would agree with you on that mushy custard-like tofu, but deep-fried tofu is the bomb.
Bachmann is a different sort of bomb, kind of like when dumb explodes with stupid.
She is a sort of conflagration of entitlement and fear mongering.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:29 pmPaul has advocated abolish virtually every agency except the FBI, CIA, Justice and Defense Dept. That is his idea of a limited government.
Sounds a lot like North Korea.
Ron Paul’s an isolationist, and his isolationism will do nothing but completely break this country into factions that eventually will make war on each other.
Isolationism has been tried again and again when a nation becomes unstable, and unfortunately, another kind of bureaucracy evolves to replace the anarchy.
No, Ron Paul’s not the kind of person we need running this country–but neither is Michelle Bachmann, Sarah Palin, Mitt the Twit, etc..
That’s my two cents, and as we all know, two cents don’t buy diddley-squat.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:43 pmSince WW II,the CIA has been minding the U.S.’s business where it sees fit.
Political Superiority Complex should google “CIA Iran”. . .
September 26th, 2009 at 4:46 pmNotice how 1953 pops up?
These people are deluded. Must we really indulge them any longer just because they were accidentally elected to office without proper vetting? Is there no non confidence vote, no way to stop the madness?
September 26th, 2009 at 4:47 pmOK, I should have said that Bachmann is what happens when crazy explodes with stupid.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:47 pmThe problem is with the people who elect Bachmann, etc.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:58 pmTundra says:
This is a great example of a question to put to Paulites – should what Madoff and Enron did have been legal?
No, it’s currently illegal and not even Ron Paul is saying it shouldn’t be.
But the laws that make them illegal constitute extensive government interference in the marketplace. The government is basically telling them how to run their business, in a very detailed and intricate way.
I’ve heard Ron Paul and Paulites talk on and on about government intrusion and being against economic regulation. I’ve never heard them discuss in a nuanced way which regulations are appropriate and which are not. Naturally, it sounds to me like they’d be against the same regulations that make the Enron and Madoff scandals illegal. Which is to say, they believe they should have been legal.
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Tundra says:
Ron Paul doesn’t even say “Anarchy”. He says that there is too much spending.
Of course he doesn’t say “Anarchy,” or the jig would be up.
But how much spending is the right amount? If we were at 30% GDP, would that still be too much? How about 20%? Or 10%? Even 1%? Could you imagine a state of affairs under which a libertarian would say “government is small enough now,” or even “maybe we need to make government a little bit bigger?” I can’t. Therefore, the end result of successful libertarianism would be 0% of GDP spent by government. That means no government. That is called Anarchy.
Once again, I hear them calling for “smaller” over and over again without hearing any detailed description of which government programs are necessary, which are not, and what’s the difference between them. Therefore, I must naturally assume that they would always call for it being smaller, the end result of which is the elimination of all government.
Mind you, I don’t believe that libertarians have a secret anarchist agenda, I just believe they haven’t thought it through. It’s a very politically naive philosophy, which is probably why some college kids seem to like it so much.
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pags2 says:
Paul has advocated abolish virtually every agency except the FBI, CIA, Justice and Defense Dept. That is his idea of a limited government.
OK, then I’ll amend my statement regarding Anarchy.
Question: what do you call it when 100% of the government that exists is military and/or the police? Answer: A military regime and/or police state.
In order for civilian control of the military to exist, civilian government has to exist. If you eliminate civilian government, then the military will inevitably take total control of the power vacuum. At this point you don’t get to decide any more how big or small the military/police government is, because they have all the power. This is exactly how it’s gone down in scores of third-world nations; Myanmar is a good example.
That’s arguably even worse than anarchy, so I am against that agenda too. Once again, libertarianism fails.
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gully foyle says:
Sounds a lot like North Korea.
Exactly like that. Again, it’s not that Ron Paul is out to get us, it’s just that libertarians don’t think things through.
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KayInMaine says:
So, let me see if I have this straight….Bachmann is trying to indoctrinate the young Ron Paul supporters to her side.
I bet he stole more of her supporters than she stole of his.
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kwsventures, r paul is going nowhere, just like you.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:06 pmIt’s not so much the people who vote for her, pags2. It has much more to do with a complicit press here in Minnesota. Her media image here is a Lilly White Saint. If one doesn’t follow the national media one would never have a clue that she’s insane.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:08 pmWell, if you were a regular here, you’d probably know that dbadass attributes his screen name to a childhood nickname given to him by friends.
If “Politically Superior” has a similar explanation, I guess we’d let that slide. But as it, it seems a clear instance of taunting self-aggrandizement that probably masks a deep-seated lack of confidence in oneself.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:11 pm#107
Yes, PP. In case you don’t get it, this is how bipartisanship really works!! Try it sometime.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:12 pmThe main thing Michele and Ron have in common is that they are both quintessential American crackpots.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:14 pmPat Pomery says:
Does the same go for the poster known as “dbadass?”
Yeah, I’m pretty sure he’s not really a “badass” in real life. So, yes.
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pete says:
It has much more to do with a complicit press here in Minnesota. Her media image here is a Lilly White Saint.
Weird. I’d think that a newspaper could sell a hell of a lot of copies with one big fat expose. I mean, most of what they don’t know is pretty juicy stuff.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:17 pmWell said, Ralph!
But as it, it seems a clear instance of taunting self-aggrandizement that probably masks a deep-seated lack of confidence in oneself.
Bet PP has BIG tires on his pickup too.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:19 pmThere is a similarity between Paul and Bachmann. They are both committed to thwarting the lawful government of our country, not to mention those of us who elected them, until “those people” are barred from government. Since both are xenophobic to the point of paranoid ranting, I think it’s fair to say that “those people” includes anyone who lives outside their home. And my guess is that any sign of rebellion from a child earns instant banishment.
That and they seem to share a specific contempt for all things not American though Paul wants to build a dome over the country with one-way gates while Bachmann wants American Christian soldiers to spread American Evangelicalism, by military force, to every corner of the globe. I would say their approaches are equally absurd.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:22 pmWhat I find amazing is the younger people who believe in Ron Paul. We tried deregulation starting with Reagan. It culminated in the current recession. Paul and the Republicans are advocating more deregulation. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and expect different results.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:24 pmElBruce says:
Weird. I’d think that a newspaper could sell a hell of a lot of copies with one big fat expose. I mean, most of what they don’t know is pretty juicy stuff.
It defies logic. I don’t know whether the local editors are committed to the GOP, religious fanatics in their own right, so incredibly spineless that they crumble every time she says “librul media”, just plain stupid, or some mix of them all.
Dump Bachamnn .com, among others, have documented her whole sorry career including letters to the editors of local papers that were rejected because they dared to criticize her. They are quite open about rejecting “controversial” op/eds that criticize Reichwhiners.
And yet, they proudly ran hundreds of “Franken is an idiot” letters while that rat, Norm, obstructed the electoral process just to be a dink. Heck! They still run “thank yous” to that POS.
http://dumpbachmann.blogspot.com/
September 26th, 2009 at 5:31 pmThe sad fact, pags2, is that few of our children are taught anything resembling history or civics any more. They are not, in fact, taught to learn in many cases. Beginning with the Raygun Administration, and the implicit embrace of base superstition, I fear that a large number of American children have simply been conditioned to Believe things rather than actually think.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:35 pmGood points all, ElBruce.
The young Ron Paul supporters I’ve talked to are mostly impressed with his constitutional arguments against the IRS, income tax, and federal criminalization and prosecution of marijuana and narcotics.
Your scenario arguments on anarchy and a civilian militia are acccurate,
September 26th, 2009 at 5:39 pmbut, the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars may appear as a standard U.S. policy to 20 year olds. A policy that they rightfully want no part of.
okie dokie says:
Your scenario arguments on anarchy and a civilian militia are acccurate, but, the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars may appear as a standard U.S. policy to 20 year olds.
This new meme of conflating Afghanistan and Iraq to justify withdrawing from both is just as stupid to me as conflating the two countries to justify attacking both. One invasion was a just war in response to a heinous attack and egregous flouting of international standards of behavior. The other was based on lies. The difference between them is important, and more people need to be pointing that out.
September 26th, 2009 at 6:17 pmRon Paul spins a good line but he has no clue what he is talking about when it comes to the Constitution. There is a plethora of materials on the Constitution and it is improbable that Paul and his followers have ever read any of the materials. Paul is spinning his interpretation which has no relationship to what the language means. Ron Paul is a doctor and not a scholar.
September 26th, 2009 at 6:19 pmElBruce@6:17
Actually ElBruce, I added Afghanistan as an afterthought; the U.S. “surge” of military force and private contractors there has been more at our political whim for vengence than based on a solution to the terror and tyranny of the Taliban. And remember, the Taliban is literally the frankenstein of the Republican Party. I do believe Obama is realistic about the situation without having ulterior motives. But during his last five years, Bush gave them too much room to grow, and they have.
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On Monetary Policy no one has been more spot on than Ron Paul. Auditing the federal Reserve will expose them as criminals they are. i am all for abolishing the fed. if he pulls that off…that is bigger than health care reform in my eyes.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:02 pmwreckingcrew says:
On Monetary Policy no one has been more spot on than Ron Paul. Auditing the federal Reserve will expose them as criminals they are.
I’m all for regular audits. If the Fed hasn’t been getting them, then they should be. Of course, I don’t pretend to know the results of the audit, as you do.
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wreckingcrew says:
i am all for abolishing the fed.
By what mechanism do you propose introducing currency into the economy? Do tell me all about your new macroeconomic model, please. I’m sure it’s thoroughly thought out and economically sophisticated.
(not really, I’m being sarcastic there)
September 26th, 2009 at 10:42 pmSo was the idiot Christian “serene” or “stunned into stone-cold silence?” And why would she be so persistent in asking Paul to speak when she has to have known his views?
September 27th, 2009 at 12:12 amElBruce says:
Paultards have opinions, few facts and skewed logic. These people have ideas that demonstrate their complete lack of knowledge of government and economics. You are wasting your time trying to discuss anything with them because when it comes down to talking about the nuts and bolts of their ideas they are clueless. None of them have answered my previous posts showing the inherent fallacies in their bizarro world.
September 27th, 2009 at 12:13 amElBruce says:
This new meme of conflating Afghanistan and Iraq to justify withdrawing from both is just as stupid to me as conflating the two countries to justify attacking both. One invasion was a just war in response to a heinous attack and egregous flouting of international standards of behavior. The other was based on lies. The difference between them is important, and more people need to be pointing that out.
That’s ridiculous. Afghanistan didn’t attack us and we had no right to wage war against them. If a group of American bigots had carried out a 9/11 style attack on Afghanistan, would they have been justified (if they had the capability)in attacking us as we did them?
September 27th, 2009 at 12:22 ampags2 says:
Paultards have opinions, few facts and skewed logic.
Paultards have about the depth of understanding of the workings of the world as your typical teaspoon, or college freshman. Potential exists, but they are still young enough to hope that generations preceding them have got everything all horrifically wrong and everything can be immediately simplified into a “live and let live” ethic starting… now!
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pags2 says:
You are wasting your time trying to discuss anything with them because when it comes down to talking about the nuts and bolts of their ideas they are clueless.
Hi, welcome to the Internet! If you don’t think there’s any point talking about politics here, may I recommend some boobs?
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jwmuiyaai says:
That’s ridiculous. Afghanistan didn’t attack us and we had no right to wage war against them.
An odd thing to argue with me about. Ok…
Al-Qaeda claimed credit for the 9/11/2001 attacks on the United States, which destroyed the Twin Towers, damaged the Pentagon, and killed multiple planeloads of passengers.
The Taliban, who were in control of Afghanistan at the time, refused to extradite the leaders of Al-Qaeda for this crime, citing their insistence on using “sharia law” courts for everything. We gave them six months to make up their mind.
Every single country in the world gave the United States its blessing via. the U.N. to invade Afghanistan as a result of its refusal to extradite the leaders of Al-Qaeda for their attack on the United States.
Seriously, no country in the entire world took Afghanistan’s side on this one. This was the most “just” war we’ve seen since WWII, which involved fighting Hitler. Hitler!
Korea was less justified than this war. Vietnam was far less justified than this war. The Bay of Pigs, Grenada, Panama, Persian Gulf I, Bosnia/Herzegovina – all of these were less justified than the invasion of Afghanistan.
Al-Qaeda hit us, hard. They slaughtered thousands of our civilians in cold blood. No country in the world objected to our response. We had free reign, internationally speaking. And still, we gave the Taliban the option to turn over Al-Qaeda to the international community to face trial for what they did in America. They refused. The entire international community had our back on that action.
So we invaded them, and then for some reason that had nothing to do with 9/11, we later invaded Iraq.
There was no such justification against Iraq. But there was every justification to invade Afghanistan, and everybody in the world (except for the wingnuts in America) knew it and agreed with it.
September 27th, 2009 at 2:07 amElBruce says:
Paultards have about the depth of understanding of the workings of the world as your typical teaspoon, or college freshman. Potential exists, but they are still young enough…..
I seriously doubt they have potential because they have turned their minds off. By the time people reach college they should have the skills for critical analysis. But they don’t. I have talked to many of them and they can’t move beyond repeating the simplistic ideas that Ron Paul has spewed. Facts and logic have no bearing in their thought processes.
September 27th, 2009 at 2:37 amYesterday, the Young Americans for Liberty sponsored an event at the University of Minnesota that brought together the odd pairing of Reps. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) and Ron Paul (R-TX). Bachmann solicited Paul for the event, hoping that his presence would help her attract support from young conservatives and libertarians.
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Bachmann’s apparently learning the hard way that not all conservatives are created equal! It’s enough to make one wonder whether she bothered to learn anything about Paul’s views before inviting him to this event — appearances would suggest that she didn’t, because I very much doubt that she would’ve invited him had she known what he was going to say. She only has herself to blame for not doing her homework, and more fool her. Then again, it’s clear that Bachmann doesn’t believe in doing homework…this is, after all, the same woman who believes that “workingest” is a proper term in the English language.
September 27th, 2009 at 9:06 amBluestocking says:
She only has herself to blame for not doing her homework, and more fool her. Then again, it’s clear that Bachmann doesn’t believe in doing homework…this is, after all, the same woman who believes that “workingest” is a proper term in the English language.
As with her inability to remember a canned statement regarding the census worker, this is another example that she’s simply incompetent at her job, on top of being batsh!t insane.
September 27th, 2009 at 12:46 pmDown we go..
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September 27th, 2009 at 3:44 pmElbruce,
i would go into detail but..instead I would much rather entertain the good people on the internet by video taping me ninja spin kicking you in your whiny face and post it on youtube. just for the LULZ
September 27th, 2009 at 11:11 pmElBruce says:
An odd thing to argue with me about. Ok…
Al-Qaeda claimed credit for the 9/11/2001 attacks on the United States, which destroyed the Twin Towers, damaged the Pentagon, and killed multiple planeloads of passengers.
The Taliban, who were in control of Afghanistan at the time, refused to extradite the leaders of Al-Qaeda for this crime, citing their insistence on using “sharia law” courts for everything. We gave them six months to make up their mind.
Every single country in the world gave the United States its blessing via. the U.N. to invade Afghanistan as a result of its refusal to extradite the leaders of Al-Qaeda for their attack on the United States.
Seriously, no country in the entire world took Afghanistan’s side on this one. This was the most “just” war we’ve seen since WWII, which involved fighting Hitler. Hitler!
Korea was less justified than this war. Vietnam was far less justified than this war. The Bay of Pigs, Grenada, Panama, Persian Gulf I, Bosnia/Herzegovina – all of these were less justified than the invasion of Afghanistan.
Al-Qaeda hit us, hard. They slaughtered thousands of our civilians in cold blood. No country in the world objected to our response. We had free reign, internationally speaking. And still, we gave the Taliban the option to turn over Al-Qaeda to the international community to face trial for what they did in America. They refused. The entire international community had our back on that action.
So we invaded them, and then for some reason that had nothing to do with 9/11, we later invaded Iraq.
There was no such justification against Iraq. But there was every justification to invade Afghanistan, and everybody in the world (except for the wingnuts in America) knew it and agreed with it.
Except the wingnuts? Have you lost your mind? They not only thought it was justified; they would have applauded if we had nuked Afghanistan! We had the capability to strike back at Al Qaeda without waging war on innocent people. Do we have the right to attack every nation that won’t turn over their citizens who fund terrorists? We have the right to go after those who attack us. We don’t have the right to annihilate anyone who happens to be in the vicinity
September 28th, 2009 at 12:35 amI predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
Thomas Jefferson
“Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations–entangling alliances with none, I deem [one of] the essential principles of our government, and consequently [one of] those which ought to shape its administration.” –Thomas Jefferson: 1st Inaugural Address, 1801.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:00 amAnd, Mr. Paul’s true colors are on display here as well. The mere fact he would allow himself to be associated with the stupidest Rep in Washington displays a real lack of character.
What, was Maxine Waters in the house?
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