Poised For Progress At The U.N. Climate Summit In Copenhagen
Poised For Progress At The U.N. Climate Summit In Copenhagen
While Mother Jones’ David Corn is an excellent reporter, he is a lousy tealeaf reader. Mr. Corn misread a recent article by Dr. Rajendra Pachauri, the chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and Nobel Peace Prize winner, and myself in advance of the G20 summit, incorrectly concluding our purpose was to downplay expectations on behalf of the Administration. Mr. Corn’s interpretation of our piece is inaccurate. Dr. Pachauri, one of the world’s foremost advocates for strong global action on climate change, and I both recognize that significant challenges remain in advance of the U.N. summit in December. But we are confident that the international community is poised to make substantial progress on climate change in Copenhagen, and that the U.S. is now in a position to exercise renewed leadership in pursuit of a best-case climate scenario.
The purpose of our September 23 piece was to emphasize the importance of climate change in advance of the G20 meetings and encourage the world’s top emitters to seize an important opportunity to take concrete steps to move forward in advance of December’s summit. It is not news that the divide between the unwieldy groups of developed and developing countries have stalled climate talks in the past and that they are drifting again. It is, however, noteworthy that major emitters have recently utilized new channels — the Administration’s Major Economies Forum, for example, as well as the U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue — to lay the groundwork for a new climate agreement in Copenhagen. We think this is an important development and should be pursued whenever opportunities, like this week’s summit, arise. Our piece urged leaders at the G20 to pursue concrete actions prior to Copenhagen on issues such as financing arrangements, technology cooperation, and deforestation prevention to increase the chances of success in December.
Even in the midst of global economic crisis, climate change has remained at the top of the agenda both in the United States and in key countries around the world. There is broad consensus that the effects of climate change are not only real, but will be devastating to developed and developing countries alike if the international community fails to agree on a global emissions reduction strategy soon. The road ahead is not without obstacles, which our piece pointed out. But the fate of Copenhagen is far from sealed — and it is my strong belief that the Obama Administration is committed to doing all it can to lead the world into a low-carbon, clean energy future.
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I am sorry this is off topic, but this video is outrageous. When asked by two G20 protesters to condemn the bombing of innocent children, Sean Hannity would not. Must see this video. Make it go viral.
http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=3001
September 26th, 2009 at 6:15 pmGoing to the G20?
September 26th, 2009 at 6:24 pmDo us all a big favor.
Grab Jimmy Inhofe when he gets off the plane,
stash him in a luggage locker,
and don’t let him out until it’s over.
Taking meaningful action on climate change has the potential to create tens of thousands of new jobs for a _huge_ boost to the economy. So WHY do the rightie-whities hate the idea so much?
September 26th, 2009 at 6:27 pmMr. Corn’s interpretation of our piece is inaccurate.
I’m glad to hear that. Thank you Mr. Podesta for your efforts regarding action on climate change!
September 26th, 2009 at 6:30 pmGood work on climate change Mr. Podesta and good work for your part in helping President Clinton gain freedom for Euna Lee and Laura Ling
September 26th, 2009 at 6:36 pmFrom yesterday’s post…
NOAA: Warmest Global Sea-Surface Temperatures for August and Summer
September 16, 2009
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20090916_globalstats.html
… Ever!
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September 26th, 2009 at 6:39 pm“Pwoised to Poison the Middle East fer Pwogress” as we continue to destroy the environments of The Republic of Afghanistan, the Republic of Iraq and parts of northern Pakistan with our murderous and endless bombing raids in the name of “stopping terrorism.” Never mind that the US is the biggest terrorist nation in the world; our corporate empire covers more than one hundred countries with military troops and their bases. We have been terrorizing parts of the third world since 1898, when we imperially slaughtered some two hundred thousand Filipinos who had the gall to resist our Imperial Designs on their Lands.
September 26th, 2009 at 6:51 pmI won’t be attending, sorry. You can find me signing the new lease to my hummer.
September 26th, 2009 at 6:59 pmHa ha, sounds like Podesta got trolled.
September 26th, 2009 at 7:00 pmI think it’s to late already with regards to Global Warming. We should have been conserving since the 70s. But alas, nobody cared or listened. I hope we are not too late. For our childrens sake.
September 26th, 2009 at 7:02 pmThis Sunday PBS will begin airing a Ken Burns documentary on our national park system. How it began, expanded and helped put americans back to work (not just a catch phrase back then).
All those poor republicans. Look at all that clean water to spoil, tree’s you can’t cut down, mountains you can’t lop the top off. Poor poor creatures, just think of all the oil just waiting to be pumped out of the ground if we could only just do away with Yellowstone.
I wonder if they’d be for oil exploration if it turned out there was a vast quantity located under Gettysburg?
September 26th, 2009 at 7:07 pmAcid rain helps nuclearize crops so that my brain is more robotic to the needs of the 21st century. I can work better, destroy more enemies, and study at cosmic speed. My brain turns into 100GB of RAM. So I don’t see what the fuss is all about. We’re in the 21st century. We can’t compete without chemical intake. Look at the chinese – they’re turning our more choices on discount shelves faster than we can gulp two cheeseburgers flipped by unwitting teenagers.
September 26th, 2009 at 7:09 pmMy only dream in life was to show the environment how much I truly care by becoming a tank major general …
September 26th, 2009 at 7:11 pmJournalism is completely dead in this country today.
Mother Jones and Huffinton Post need to be formally reprimanded and called-out for pushing this “story” yesterday. HuffPo, in fact, headlined it.
Don’t people who publish stories ever feel the need to verify their assumptions anymore?
Does EVERYTHING need to be treated like an uninformed blog??
September 26th, 2009 at 7:23 pmFrom: United Nations Environment Programme
Impacts of Climate Change Coming Faster and Sooner: New Science Report Underlines Urgency for Governments to Seal the Deal in Copenhagen
http://www.unep.org/Documents.Multilingual/Default.asp?DocumentID=596&ArticleID=6326&l=en
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September 26th, 2009 at 7:25 pmSimple. This is yet another issue that is driven by the Christian right. This sort of screws up the whole rapture thing. The GOP has been hijacked by these cretins. Neither Rockefeller nor Goldwater could exist in today’s Republican party.
September 26th, 2009 at 7:29 pmDavidHart says:
This is yet another issue that is driven by the Christian right.
A real Christian would recognize their responsibility towards wise stewardship of the Earth.
These people have about as much to do with Christianity as did Jim Jones or David Koresh.
September 26th, 2009 at 7:46 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Please, Mr Podesta or anyone with a pulpit, start pointing out the potential for PROFIT in green tech.
September 26th, 2009 at 8:36 pmClose but not quite I think, DavidHart. The Religious Right is being used by the oil interests because they are predisposed to believe ridiculous BS.
September 26th, 2009 at 8:40 pmWill Obami be riding home in his ACORN-mobile?
hehahhehahawhawhawhahawhhawawhawhawhawhawhawhawhawhaw
too funnie.
September 26th, 2009 at 8:48 pmThere was an interesting article about European Consevatives. They don’t understand the American Conservatives complete rejection of Global Warming. But WE know the answer, our Republican Consevatives are to blinded by Big Business to care about the Environment, or they are just religious nuts. Either way, they are totally laughable. Remeber Inhofe’s statement. ‘There isn’t Global Warming because GOD is up there!’
September 26th, 2009 at 8:53 pmIndeed, the GOP has been reduced to a dangerous mix of big money and small minds.
September 26th, 2009 at 8:59 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Politically Laxative
Now that’s a realmoron.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:05 pmOkay, earlier today we were “graced” with the presence of a new troll. Having read all, or most of this clown’s posts, I’ve come to the conclusion that he is one of two people:
September 26th, 2009 at 9:09 pm1-Daryll, on crack.
2-Trajan on…well I’m not quite sure with Trajie.
Thoughts?
Of course, if the stupid troll knew anything about anything? He would know that there’s nothing uniquely “American”. Everything we’ve tried, whether a good idea or not, has had a trial run in Europe. They’ve been at this whole business of civilization a lot longer than we have and they’re better at it.
It takes a true moron to discount European history. And it takes an insulated fool to not realize that the European Union is poised to make us irrelevant in the areas of industry and innovation, largely because of their head start in green technology.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:12 pmJim Wolf359,
I’ve long since come to the conclusion that there are no new trolls, just new monikers. While it’s difficult to be sure with such pathological cases, there’s never been more than a few individual entities. Maybe a half dozen over the years I’ve frequented TP.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:15 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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Pete says,
September 26th, 2009 at 9:23 pmYeah, I tend to agree with Pete. The MOs and styles don’t change much, if at all.
AWWWW..Who’s voting us down now? Is that you POS?
September 26th, 2009 at 9:24 pmOne problem with SUN SPOTS, stupid troll. They are at a 50-100 year low. In fact, while the most intense warming in human history has been occurring, solar activity has approached the all time low in the history of solar observation.
So? I offer baker56 a little advice. When a pathological liar provides a talking point, check with the experts before you look foolish in educated company.
Here’s an article that’s brief and simple enough for even a stupid troll to comprehend. There are hundreds more in the peer reviewed literature.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8008473.stm
September 26th, 2009 at 9:25 pmI’m back.
Source:
September 26th, 2009 at 9:27 pm@29, Where is you’re proof? Did you hear that from Limpballs or Beck? If THEY said it, it must be true! Snark.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:27 pmI have sunspots on my brain.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:29 pmGood evening, Reggie. Different day, same old trolls with their wildly misinformed talking points, I’m afraid.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:29 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Put the attitude aside libs and STUAWP picking on my fellow furry friends with your facts.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:34 pmIf global warming is real why do libs call god the sky fairy?
September 26th, 2009 at 9:35 pmbaker56 says:
Gee, Those pesky ice caps are still melting…OH..on MARS http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html. Those Martian Hummers are going to be their downfall!
I have two words for you, Elliptical Orbit.
You should spend more time in school paying attention, and less time on wingnut blogs that think religious stories are facts.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:36 pmIf you’re out there TRoS I want to let you know that you’re not going to trip me up again. I will decipher and properly lie.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:37 pmbaker56 says:
I’ve got two words for all you geniuses to research, and then, and only then, get back to me….SUN SPOTS, ie: solar flares
Solar activity is already accounted for in the IPCC research.
Next lame excuse for not knowing anything about this topic? ;)
September 26th, 2009 at 9:37 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Solar output isn’t melting Mars any more than it’s melting Earth and for the same reason. It’s been going down!
September 26th, 2009 at 9:37 pmGood evening Pete:
Same inept trolls with the same long repudiated talking points.
Just because they put on a clean sock, it doesn’t mean they are going to have anymore luck than they had the last twenty times they were here.
I am going to start a petition drive asking Eric Odom to send us a fresh batch of trolls, the ones we now have are long past their “best before” date and should be tossed out.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:38 pmpete says:
Solar output isn’t melting Mars any more than it’s melting Earth and for the same reason. It’s been going down!
The wingnuts just entrench further when confronted with facts that destroy their beliefs. It’s why they’re so prone to magical and religious thinking.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:39 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Politically Inferior says:
Who’s #1 in almost all national rankings? America.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Hardly, but you just keep “thinking.”
September 26th, 2009 at 9:40 pmPolitically Superior says:
Hey baker56 maybe if those ignorant redneck hillbilly martians
You know something, my thinning GOP is struggling enough as it is without you knocking the remaining base. Back the f uck off you elitist french f uck. Watch yourself, I’m going to out you as a crazy liberal sooner than later.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:40 pmIsn’t that cute, the two silly sock-puppets are
September 26th, 2009 at 9:42 pmtalking to each other.
We’re number one at being last. You report, we deny.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:42 pmLooks like it’s time for another rousing game of “Spot the Logical Fallacy!”
September 26th, 2009 at 9:42 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
baker56 says:
Politically Superior says….They made their bed…
At least the libs didn’t soil their sheets.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:43 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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Indeed, just the bleepn facts. It’s impossible to influence someone who simply Believes what they wish. But, I figure that it kinda becomes our fault if we don’t try to at least inform them that facts are immutable, on occasion.
One can argue with someone who reaches a different conclusion but those who simply defy objective reality are beyond our reach.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:45 pmThree of my kind sent in to take on the libs. I am not alone in this fight. I have buddyhawks. You libs cannot gang up on me. Backup has arrived.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:45 pmPolitically Superior says:
Liberals are control freaks, controlling our civil liberties and roads and schools and all those control-freak quality-of-life indicators. I heard mysterious voices in 2005 in the background of a phone conversation. It sounded like a third party. Sure enough, it was President Al Gore’s NSA.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:49 pmbaker56 says:
Politically Superior says….They made their bed…
I see you’re a sex obsessed republican. Always about beds. I’m so surprised!
/snark
September 26th, 2009 at 9:49 pmThe “end game” is to limit any needless contribution to an unprecedented rise in CO2. Then we hope for the best and see what happens while new fortunes are being made selling green products from plastic substitute to hydrogen powered cars.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:50 pmPolitically Superior says:
Liberals want to control the climate zooks. Its wired into their mush brains to try and control people. Liberals are control freaks.
Interesting projection since only the wingnut extremists are trying to control anyone. You’re just another extremist zealot accusing others of behaving as you do. ZZZzzz…
September 26th, 2009 at 9:50 pmWHO’S WATCHING SNL TONIGHT?
September 26th, 2009 at 9:50 pmkwsventures says:
So, you believe everyone will get together and get a climate agreement? I bet against that ever happening.
Defeatist before you try, how republican of you. I bet your personal life is just gangbusters! ;)
September 26th, 2009 at 9:51 pmSarah Palin = Michelle Bachmann = HOT BED!
September 26th, 2009 at 9:51 pmzooks says:
I’m trying to understand what the “end-game” is for all of the Global Warming people. Is it to lower the Earth’s temperature? If so, to what, 1950’s ’60’s levels?
I see you haven’t read the IPCC recommendations yet. That explains why you feel so compelled to share your ignorance as is so common among conservative extremists with no understanding of what they whine on about.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:52 pmLibs are obsessed with sex because they want sex education. We prefer Utah education.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:53 pmHere we go again. The same old Rightie trolls going on and on how Global Warming is a farce. They can’t see the forest for the trees. Ice Caps melting, Polar Bears drowning, Ocean habitats dying… It means nothing to them. The fact is, it is much worse than the experts thought. At this rate, Ocean levels are going to rise much faster than they predicted. But to the Trolls, this is all a ‘Liberal’ fantasy. Some fantasy. I would love to bury my head in the sand and tell myself it will all be OK, but I’m a realist.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:55 pmI slept during geography class, what do you want from me?
September 26th, 2009 at 9:58 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
just the bleepn facts says:
If our pet trolls had a bit of common sense and/or imagination they would be asking questions like: “how can we catch up to Germany in solar cell production” or “how can we beat the Chinese into production with batteries tailored to cars” or “how much money should we throw at the Professor from Cal Tech who’s working on a 50 lb. turbine/generator that would power a sports car at a millage of 150 miles per gallon of vegetable oil and will go hundreds of miles on a full charge without the generator”.
Alas, they insist on asking stupid questions that all equate to “why do smart people talk about scary things I can’t understand”.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:00 pmBoys? BOYS? Did you leave me hanging like you usually do?
September 26th, 2009 at 10:01 pmPolitically Superior says:
Global warming is not a farce, man made global warming is.
If man can deplete natural resources and start fires, man surely can warm the earth.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:02 pm@71, LOL! That’s you’re rebuttal! Owwww.. WOW, I’m Impressed. Give us a break. Years of scientific data, and YOU conclude MAN isn’t responsible for any Global Warming? I guess you buy the line that animal flatulence is the problem? Jeez!
September 26th, 2009 at 10:05 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
P.D., one line declaratives are always more zingy than the facts.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:07 pmOf course, if they knew anything about history they would realize the part that the new fuel of the day, high octane gasoline, had as much to do with our winning WW2 as any other single factor. Our engines were smaller, lighter, and more fuel efficient because of our monopoly on high grade fuel.
The fact is that the oil will eventually run out. Greenhouse emissions aside, we WILL need a replacement. Personally I think it just makes sense to find renewable fuels before the oil runs out so we can make all the other stuff we love. Living without gas will be a small adjustment compared to trying to live without plastic.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:08 pmThis whole ‘green economy’ concept would put money into the hands of average folks and increase our standing in the world. That isn’t the GOP platform. We like to sit back and watch free-for-alls. I don’t see why you liberals act so surprised when our mouth is moving.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:10 pmPolitically Inferior says:
Global warming is not a farce, man made global warming is.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
Prove it.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:10 pmzooks says:
I certainly never said global warming is a farce; I simply asked a question. What’s the end-game; thanks pete; I appreciate the reply.
And I repeat, you haven’t read the IPCC recommendations have you? Of course not. Just avoid that I gave you the way to educate yourself, instead whine that others aren’t doing your homework for you. What a loser.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:10 pmPolitically Superior says:
Global warming is not a farce, man made global warming is.
Your opinion is irrelevant and only shows your ignorance. That explains why you’re anonymous. No sane person would say something that stupid in public…
September 26th, 2009 at 10:12 pmPus, do you have any scientific facts to backup that
September 26th, 2009 at 10:12 pmassertion, or are you blowing smoke out of you a$$ again?
Isn’t it insane how radical extremist republicans believe their opinions are superior to scientific consensus and facts? What a bunch of fools.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:12 pmBy the way, I do agree that it’s crazy that America doesn’t lead the world in alternative energy research. We need to develop energy sources here in this country for our own national security.
If the President offered to change the tax code to support alternate energy companies as much as the oil companies currently get, he could pass the bill next week.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:13 pmZooey says:
Prove it.
PS, I’m going to give you an instruction you have down pat: Don’t do it.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:13 pmZooey@80, I basically said the same thing, but the troll in question is remakably silent on the issue. Could it be he or she doesn’t have a friggin clue what they were talking about?
September 26th, 2009 at 10:13 pmzooks says:
Now, if I was going to question whether CO2 was THE major factor in the planet’s warming, I could point out that the highest global annual temperature occurred in 1997-98. So with an entire decade of uncontrolled CO2 released, no temparature increase occurred.
Read the IPCC report, your ignorant babbling, bad spelling and ridiculous claims just shows the world how stupid you are.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:14 pmReggie says:
Pus, do you have any scientific facts to backup that
assertion, or are you blowing smoke out of you a$$ again?
September 26th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
He heard a weather girl say, “nuh uh.”
September 26th, 2009 at 10:15 pmzooks@85, Excellant argument. One I have been making for years. But when we have people in power, ie. Repugs, we will go nowhere. How can we lead with people like Inhofe in power?
September 26th, 2009 at 10:16 pmzooks says:
By the way, I do agree that it’s crazy that America doesn’t lead the world in alternative energy research. We need to develop energy sources here in this country for our own national security.
The GOP is exclusively responsible for that. You conservatives are a threat to our national security and the future of the planet.
zooks says:
If the President offered to change the tax code to support alternate energy companies as much as the oil companies currently get, he could pass the bill next week.
Liar. Were you in a coma in June when the energy bill was passed? Getting any subsidies for green was a dogfight with Oil, Coal and Nuclear industries.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:17 pmzooks says:
Now, if I was going to question whether CO2 was THE major factor in the planet’s warming, I could point out that the highest global annual temperature occurred in 1997-98. So with an entire decade of uncontrolled CO2 released, no temparature increase occurred.
That’s not entirely accurate. True, we have not matched ‘98, pending results on ‘09, but its inaccurate to say that there has been no warming since then. Eight of the years since then have been hotter than any previous year since 1936. When one starts in ‘99, and draws a graph of temperatures since then, the “hockey stick” continues from 1997 right up to this past August which was, pending full evaluation of the data, the third hottest August ever recorded.
In short, the aberrant high of 1998 fell above the plot but didn’t change the long term trend either way.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:17 pmzooks says:
By the way, I do agree that it’s crazy that America doesn’t lead the world in alternative energy research. We need to develop energy sources here in this country for our own national security.
If the President offered to change the tax code to support alternate energy companies as much as the oil companies currently get, he could pass the bill next week.
Wow. That is an intelligent answer.
TRAITOR!
September 26th, 2009 at 10:17 pmReggie says:
Pus, do you have any scientific facts to backup that
assertion, or are you blowing smoke out of you a$$ again?
Republicans believe single line insane claims are the equivalent of decades of scientific research. That’s how the insane extremists teabagger trolls behave.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:18 pmP.D. says:
Could it be he or she doesn’t have a friggin clue what they were talking about?
September 26th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
I think that’s a given. ;)
September 26th, 2009 at 10:19 pmpete, poor little loon zooks doesn’t know what an el-nino cycle is. It’s why 1998 confuses it.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:20 pmWhere have all the trolls gone? I guess we outsmarted them, yet again. To be honest, it’s not that hard.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:20 pmNY Times poll shows 65% of Americans want public insurance. Only 26% that belong to the teabagging traitors oppose it.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:21 pmAs a graduate of asshatuniversity.com, I am well prepared for challenges in the alternative world.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:22 pmThose little f uckers abandoned me.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:23 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
100% of Americans want Wal-Mart gift cards.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:26 pmThat one’s not far off, zooks. The rational course of action would seem to be; eliminate the current tax structure for the energy industry, then impose a new “R&D tax” (a stiff one!) that goes, as it’s name implies, into building greener industries. That way our own consumption would finance the changes needed.
But we all know that won’t happen any time soon.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:26 pmPoor wittle troll, it’s reduced to spouting non sequiturs.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:26 pm#96 – So what you’re saying is that the naturally occurring el-nino cycle will override all of man’s CO2 production and produce warmer global temperatures. Thanks for the support.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:27 pmPolitically Superior says:
Ny times polls are bias
What is these?
September 26th, 2009 at 10:27 pm@101, That’s it??? The polls are biased??? Dear God. You trolls aren’t even trying anymore.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:31 pmI feel like changing the subject to Obami’s plan for health care for the entire universe.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:32 pmZooey says:
Unintelligible non sequiters too, the poor little bugger used bias instead of biased
Pus: I am still waiting for the scientific proof to backup
September 26th, 2009 at 10:33 pmyour assertion that man is not responsible for climate change
just the bleepn facts,
El Nino is a trap I avoid. They, predictably, crow “Thanks for the support.” Of course, knowledgeable people realize that el Nino drove an aberrant high but wouldn’t have resulted in such high temperatures without the previous warming.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:34 pmBy the way, I just looked at the IPCC summary and they admit that much of their analysis is based on what they believe was LIKELY 40+ years ago. The lack of actual observations going back even 30 years make FACTUAL trending impossible.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:35 pmBREAKING: Obami arrested by INS
September 26th, 2009 at 10:35 pmbaker56 says:
Gee, Those pesky ice caps are still melting…OH..on MARS
What you’re implying is that if humans aren’t responsible for 100% of a temperature change that they must be responsible for 0% of temperature change. That is, if it’s possible for planetary temperatures to change independent of human activity then that means human activity has completely nothing to do with it.
Without getting into any of the relevant particular facts involved, that kind of thinking is fallacious from the start. Nobody ever claimed that human activity was a 100% determining factor of temperature, only that it’s a potentially significant contributing factor. So your “Mars” argument refutes only a straw man.
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kwsventures says:
So, you believe everyone will get together and get a climate agreement? I bet against that ever happening.
Your argument here is that due in part to the opposition of people like you, those who want to make the planet a better place are doomed to failure. You are literally expressing pride in your predicted success in destroying the planet. However, you fail to take into account how rapidly you are being made irrelevant.
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zooks says:
I’m trying to understand what the “end-game” is for all of the Global Warming people. Is it to lower the Earth’s temperature? If so, to what, 1950’s ’60’s levels? What temperature is cold enough?
Is it to control what industries can exist and how much they can produce? When will you say you’ve achieved success?
It’s to prevent runaway warming that could destroy massive quantities of the biosphere and massively alter the hability of various areas on the planet. Al Gore’s flick gives a good explanation of what’s been going on and how much of a massive negative impact that can have on our ability to live and thrive in the areas that we do. Or to put it in terms you might care about, how many dollars it’s going to cost us.
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zooks says:
Now, if I was going to question whether CO2 was THE major factor in the planet’s warming, I could point out that the highest global annual temperature occurred in 1997-98. So with an entire decade of uncontrolled CO2 released, no temparature increase occurred.
It spikes up and down; you might also mention that 2008 was the lowest average global temperature since 2000. But the five year average consistently goes up. In something that bounces around, comparing individual years is cherry-picking. 1977-78 was an outlier, as was 2008. However, the trend is clear to anyone with eyes.
If you’ve got a stat that consistently trends upwards but which bounces up and down around that trend, you can always compare an old high-spike with a new low-spike to make a claim that’s completely counter to the mathematical trend that actually exists. But that’s obviously a misrepresentation of the data. You are misrepresenting the data.
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zooks says:
By the way, I do agree that it’s crazy that America doesn’t lead the world in alternative energy research. We need to develop energy sources here in this country for our own national security.
Not only that, if we got the expertise in alternative and clean energy sources early, then we could make money exporting that expertise to other countries such as India or China, who will be wanting to look into how to meet their massive energy demands without completely destroying their environments as well. That means jobs and positive exports.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:39 pmThe facade of reason never lasts long.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:43 pmWhat has me confused about this: Why doesn’t President Obama just challenge America to lead the world in alternative energy? He could invoke Kennedy and his challenge for space exploration and Reagan to invoke a strong and independent America.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:45 pmkwsventures is dragging the name of this company into the ground:
KWS Ventures
September 26th, 2009 at 10:47 pm5247 Mare Creek Dr
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Phone: (850) 423-0606
No new data? That’s utterly ridiculous. We have comprehensive, accurate data for every day of the last 30 years plus. We have accurate but less comprehensive data going back to the perfection of the thermometer and gas analysis, lets say another 150 years.
Before that we have less accurate data and anecdotes that are fairly reliable at least back to the Dark Ages. Then another 5,000 years of anecdotal data. Another 10,000 or so in tree rings. Another 300,000 or so in ice cores. And various chemical anomalies going back to the age of the surface of the Earth in any given locality.
Now, one can conclude different things from that data. And some choose to deny the facts the data establishes. But?
To claim that there’s been no new supporting data in the last 30 years is such an utterly moronic statement that it demands a full debunking and a healthy serving of scorn.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:51 pmzooks says:
What has me confused about this: Why doesn’t President Obama just challenge America to lead the world in alternative energy? He could invoke Kennedy and his challenge for space exploration and Reagan to invoke a strong and independent America.
Once again you display your ignorance. Did you miss his recent speech where he literally challenged America to lead the World on green technology? Obama has specifically invoked Kennedy’s drive for the Moon since the day he started campaigning.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:54 pmOh! that’s right. FAUX only shows the odd clip of Obama that they can twist into “proving” that he’s a Satanic, Muslim, Atheist, Communist, Fascist.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:56 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
aaronk, where did you get your information that global sea ice is at its highest levels in 3 decades. Please post a link or admit you are LYING.
September 26th, 2009 at 11:02 pmI’ve got two links that prove you’re a liar, stupid troll. In fact, Artic sea ice in 2009 is third least since 1979 when the particular study started and it’s 18.4% below the 30 year average. I seem to have mislaid the article about the loss of Antarctic sea ice ans well.
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20090916_globalstats.html
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/74861.html
September 26th, 2009 at 11:02 pmaaronk,
Are you going to be a man and admit you lied?
September 26th, 2009 at 11:03 pmaaronk:
Make sure the proof Levi asked for is from a reputable source.
September 26th, 2009 at 11:04 pmPete – I don’t care too much about what people say; I watch what they do, so let me rephrase my question: Why is so much time being spent on cap-and-trade versus getting a tax incentive bill done for alternate energy development?
September 26th, 2009 at 11:04 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
aaronk says:
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Sooooooo… George Will is a climatologist?
Who knew?
September 26th, 2009 at 11:48 pmNice try aaronk but those numbers are meaningless.
They are for January, which makes them useless for measuring ice in the northern hemisphere where the warming is 2.5 times as great as in the southern hemisphere.
Do you have any data from summer in the Arctic to support your assertion?
Secondly, these numbers are not a measurement of total ice mass and tell nothing about thickness in ice.
Arctic sea ice appears to have reached its minimum extent for the year, the third-lowest extent since the start of satellite measurements in 1979. While this year’s minimum extent is above the record and near-record minimums of the last two years, it further reinforces the strong negative trend in summertime ice extent observed over the past thirty years.
September 26th, 2009 at 11:50 pmSource: NASA: NSIDC
aaronk says:
sure, link below.
Ice in 1980: 19.7 million sq. km
Ice in 2009: 19.9 million sq. km
http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/comment.php?comment.news.107
So a random idiot’s opinion means we should ignore every major scientific organization in the world and just take your word for it! LOL! That’s as silly as you appear to be stupid! ;)
September 26th, 2009 at 11:51 pmzooks says:
Pete – I don’t care too much about what people say; I watch what they do, so let me rephrase my question: Why is so much time being spent on cap-and-trade versus getting a tax incentive bill done for alternate energy development?
A cap and trade is an incentive bill? You conservatives always seem oblivious to the obvious.
September 26th, 2009 at 11:52 pmI don’t want poise, I want progress.
September 26th, 2009 at 11:56 pmaaronk says:
Global sea ice is at it’s highest levels in 3 decades, yet so many are still acting like global warming really exists? Would anyone be interested in my ocean front property in Arizona?
Liar.
George will is a dishonest fool, and you’re an even bigger one for believing a hack without fact checking.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/02/16/george-will-liberated-from-the-burden-of-fact-checking/
September 26th, 2009 at 11:57 pmWe do not know where George Will is getting his information, but our data shows that on February 15, 1979, global sea ice area was 16.79 million sq. km and on February 15, 2009, global sea ice area was 15.45 million sq. km. Therefore, global sea ice levels are 1.34 million sq. km less in February 2009 than in February 1979. This decrease in sea ice area is roughly equal to the area of Texas, California, and Oklahoma combined.
It is disturbing that the Washington Post would publish such information without first checking the facts.
aaronk = pwned
Not that facts will change the mind of an ignorant conservative that only values their unsubstantiated beliefs and not the facts that destroy them.
September 26th, 2009 at 11:58 pmHaggis Farmer says:
When will Obama be meeting with the White Caucus? Oh, that would be “racist.” My bad.
When he meets the Senate? ;)
September 26th, 2009 at 11:58 pmzooks says:
What has me confused about this: Why doesn’t President Obama just challenge America to lead the world in alternative energy? He could invoke Kennedy and his challenge for space exploration and Reagan to invoke a strong and independent America.
He has done what he could and what the Republicans wouldn’t block including putting about 20 billion dollars towards incentives. Never mind that the Oil and Coal industry gets 10 times that a year thanks to GOP corporatist fascists.
September 27th, 2009 at 12:00 amHaggis Farmer says:
The democrat of Stupid says:
alGore is a climatologist? Who knew!
Republicans don’t understand books that publish the consensus and work of scientists. Who knew? We did! But you Republicans don’t know anything, you only believe them… ;)
Meanwhile who knew that George Will was a climatologist, since he’s the one making scientific claims that aren’t cited and published – unlike Al Gore’s book. A book I’m sure an illiterate like you has never read? ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 12:02 amHaggis Farmer says:
When he meets the Senate? ;)
When did they start calling themselves the “White Caucus?”
When did they need to? ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 12:03 amaareek:
Furthermore, no real scientist is going to cherry pick one specific month and two specific years.
What should be done is to take moving averages and doing so will show that since ice extent has been measured by satellite, starting in 1979, there has been a steady decline.
Source
September 27th, 2009 at 12:07 amHaggis Farmer says:
When will Obama be meeting with the White Caucus? Oh, that would be “racist.” My bad.
September 26th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
He spoke to Congress recently, when the cracka Rep made an ass of himself.
September 27th, 2009 at 12:09 amHaggis Farmer says:
When did they need to? ;)
Calling the democrat senators racist? Anywho, why do the blacks need to call themselves the “black caucus?” Do they need to?
Yawn, another racist excusing racism… ZZZzzzz….
September 27th, 2009 at 12:12 amHaggis Farmer says:
Earth…..Hot….cold……hot…..cold…Any questions?
Were you home schooled, or are you just mentally challenged? ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 12:13 amHaggis Farmer says:
and work of scientists.
You mean the ones that have been debunked countless times? ;)
Lying in response to facts doesn’t make you right, but it is a symptom of many different mental disorders. ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 12:14 amConservatives are all alike. They claim things are debunked when their opinion is different. That’s not debunking anything, it’s just denying reality! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 12:15 amHaggis Farmer says:
Yawn, another racist excusing racism… ZZZzzzz….
“Black caucus” isn’t racist, but, if there were a “White Caucus” it would be racist? Loon logic….
I’m assuming from your name you aren’t an American – you don’t sound like one or have the values expected of one.
The reason you have a special caucus in the American political system is to discuss, cooperate and promote a minority opinion or interest. Like the progressive caucus. Does that mean that progressives are racist because they exist? ;)
Your post just shows your racism and ignorance. Your desire to appear cute just makes you seem desperate and pathetic – which you are I’m sure. ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 12:17 amHaggis Farmer says:
Earth…it freezes in December and thaws in June. Any questions?
Should we let the people in Southern Hemisphere know they should expect freezing in December this year? ;)
My question is were you home schooled or just mentally challenged? ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 12:19 amIt freezes in December! That’s so stupid it’s cute! We have ourselves a real world traveler and scientific thinker there! LOL! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 12:19 amThe home schooled troll can’t even get that right, his mommy didn’t teach him that only applies to the northern hemisphere.
She also didn’t teach him that there are areas of the earth that don’t freeze at all.
Hey troll, go to the bedroom and tell Trajan to untie Eric Odom, it’s time that Onion Dome and I have a little chat. The pussy refuses to answer my emails or take my calls.
What’s with that?
September 27th, 2009 at 12:21 amHaggis Farmer says:
Why do you hate foreigners? Also, why isn’t there a “white caucus?” Answer, because you loons would call it “racist.”
Why do you hate minorities?
I already answered your question, but you ignored it since you’re mentally challenged.
A majority group with a separate caucus is a redundant caucus. The entire Senate and Congress is a white caucus since it’s primary focus is from and by white people to promote there own agenda.
Answer you loon, why do you hate black people?
September 27th, 2009 at 12:24 amHaggis Farmer says:
The home schooled
Home schooling is a liberal thing. I went to real school. ;)
Why do you hate americans and conservatives who home school.
There’s no evidence you went to any school. ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 12:25 amHaggis Farmer says:
Why do you think the earth is flat?
September 27th, 2009 at 12:25 amHaggis Farmer says:
Why are you a terrorist?
September 27th, 2009 at 12:26 amHaggis Farmer says:
Why are you a racist? Just answer the question wingnut! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 12:26 amHaggis Farmer says:
I already know the answer to this, but, would you call them “racist” if they called themselves the “white caucus?”
Would you?
September 27th, 2009 at 12:27 amHaggis Farmer says:
I already know the answer to this, but, would you call them “racist” if they called themselves the “white caucus?”
Why are you so afraid to discuss the fact you didn’t know the earth was round and that it’s summer in December in the southern hemisphere? Coward much?
September 27th, 2009 at 12:28 amHaggis Farmer says:
drive American products and I love Conservatives, too. ;)
No you don’t. You’re a liar.
Why do you hate America? Allah told you to? Or was it Jesus? Or maybe Yahweh? You conservatives always hear so many voices in your head to tell you to hate, kill and lie it’s hard to keep up! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 12:29 amHaggis Farmer says:
You don’t farm haggis, you cook it you ignorant wanker.
September 27th, 2009 at 12:30 amHaggis Farmer says:
You have to farm it first.;)
No you don’t idiot. That’s like saying your a chips farmer. You farm ingredients, not dishes – idiot! You cook dishes, you farm animals and plants. You were home schooled! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 12:33 amHaggis Farmer:
September 27th, 2009 at 12:34 amWhy do you have to get your jollies out of spamming a progressive blog.
Is your life so void of anything meaningful, that this is the only way you can pleasure on a Saturday night?
Snow Cone Farmer is a great example of racist right wingers.
No facts, no logic, and they make up their own words.
There is no communicating with an insane individual like this… They need hospitalization – right snow cone? ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 12:35 amHaggis Farmer says:
Do you believe everything you read on the internet?
Do you think anyone is as stupid as you are? ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 12:36 amReggie says:
Haggis Farmer:
Why do you have to get your jollies out of spamming a progressive blog.
Is your life so void of anything meaningful, that this is the only way you can pleasure on a Saturday night?
There’s a reason that young conservatives meetings are filled with the inept, incompetent and socially awkward idiots like this! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 12:36 amHaggis Farmer says:
Reggie says:
Says the cyber stalkin troll. TDF!
Project much? You’re the one stalking liberals, we aren’t on your insane olberloon website bugging your ignorant buddies. Are we stalker? ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 12:37 amHaggis for brains, just go get your picture of Olbermann and JO like we both know you want to. Then go to sleep and you’ll feel better about yourself in the morning for acknowledging who you are finally! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 12:38 amaareek:
I am going to assume your silence is an admission
that you you were wrong once again.
Of course, there is a good chance that you’re not being silent and that haggis is another of your inept sock-puppets.
September 27th, 2009 at 12:39 amYou are a pathetic racist piece of excrement.
Haggis Farmer says:
just the bleepn facts says:
How do you know more about farming haggis then me?
How are you so insane and ignorant? Because you don’t have a life, or because you were dropped in your head as a baby? ;)
Why are you still a racist science denier? Fear, or cowardice? ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 12:39 amHaggis Farmer says:
just the bleepn facts says:
You speak for “reggie,” too?
You don’t know how blogs work either? Common problem with illiterate home schooled trolls.
When you figure it out, I’ll stop laughing at you! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 12:40 amReggie says:
aareek:
I am going to assume your silence is an admission
that you you were wrong once again.
Of course, there is a good chance that you’re not being silent and that haggis is another of your inept sock-puppets.
You are a pathetic racist piece of excrement.
It’s the same teenage boys from the olbermann hating site in a new sock puppet. What a bunch of childish losers…
September 27th, 2009 at 12:42 amReggie, they can’t refute facts so the resort to childish posts like this haggis head filled troll does.
Did you see the knock down from TPM on george will’s ridiculous claims that aaron the idiot posted earlier?
There was more than 10% decline in the global ice sheets. It’s actually much worse than the models predicted. And these fools are still fiddling as rome burns. What a bunch of traitors to the human race!
September 27th, 2009 at 12:44 amHaggis Farmer says:
just the bleepn facts says:
Talk to yourself much?
Don’t blog much?
September 27th, 2009 at 12:44 amEven if global warming destroys our societies and our country the republicans will be proud for standing by their ignorance.
What a bunch of insane people.
September 27th, 2009 at 12:45 amIt is the stupid Jeffy Bovine.
September 27th, 2009 at 12:48 amzooks says:
Why doesn’t President Obama just challenge America to lead the world in alternative energy? He could invoke Kennedy and his challenge for space exploration and Reagan to invoke a strong and independent America.
That would be awesome. I agree totally. Obama and alternative energy could be Kennedy to the space program. He should totally go for it.
As soon as he gets this health care thing fixed, then that financial regulation thing. Check back in on the economy real quick, see if the stimulus worked.
But then totally, he should give a Kennedy/moon speech about alternative energy.
Somehow, I kind of think that’s exactly what his big “to-do” list looks like…
… I mean, not counting all of the many, many speeches he’s already given on the subject, outlining his prioritization of alternateve/”green” energy… You know, not counting all that.
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Quick! Vote him down! says:
OK.
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aaronk says:
Global sea ice is at it’s highest levels in 3 decades, yet so many are still acting like global warming really exists?
Wingnut claim = no citation.
Google says the exact opposite of what you said. Every link that came up with the string “Global sea ice is at its highest levels in 3 decades” came up saying that its at it’s lowest level. Liberal media at work? Or you were saying the opposite of the truth again?
Oh, you were citing “globalwrarminghoax.com” apparently the only place in the entire Inernet who belives this.
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zooks says:
I watch what they do, so let me rephrase my question: Why is so much time being spent on cap-and-trade versus getting a tax incentive bill done for alternate energy development?
Both sound like good ideas. Is there any need to play one against the other?
I think Obama has kind of a “to-do list” going on of major initiaves
1. Stimulus bill – Done!
2. Health care reform – Currently in progress.
3. Regulatory reform – Coming soon
4. Alternative energy – After the other thing.
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aaronk says:
sure, link below.
Ice in 1980: 19.7 million sq. km
Ice in 2009: 19.9 million sq. km
Cherry picking ice amounts over 30 years, the best you can get is a difference of 0.2mSqKm? Man, you’ve got some crap fluctutions to work with.
Tell you what, give me the amount for every year from 1980 through 2009, and let’s mathematically trend the results. No? OK, go run and hide like a good little wingnut.
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Haggis Farmer says:
I already know the answer to this, but, would you call them “racist” if they called themselves the “white caucus?”
Because “white” is not an actual race.
September 27th, 2009 at 12:50 amHaggis Farmer says:
Don’t blog much?
To actually “blog” you would have to have your own blog.
Don’t blog much?
Haggis Farmer says:
You are merely posting on a blog.
Yet you remain ignorant of blogs work.
Don’t blog much?
ZZZZzzzzz….
So when are you going to grow a pair and discuss the topic? Oh wait, you’d have to borrow someone else’s before that could happen! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 12:50 amjohnny dol1ar says:
It is the stupid Jeffy Bovine.
That’s redundant! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 12:50 amReggie, I was right. It’s the same idiots from the Olbermann hating site that can’t get laid. What a bunch of trailer trash losers! No wonder they’re so angry at someone with so much success! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 12:51 amYou farm the ingredients that go into haggis, but you don’t “farm” haggis any more than you “farm” pasta.
Jeez, these sockpuppets are like the later clones in Multiplicity. Y’know… the more copies you make, the less sharp they become.
September 27th, 2009 at 12:51 amHaggis Farmer says:
see if the stimulus worked.
According to joe biden it already did!
And the GAO and CBO? ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 12:52 amPoor hacks really don’t do well with facts, embarrassing to watch they’re so ignorant! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 12:53 amjtbf:
What’s really pathetic is that the trolls from Olbermann Watch are not teenagers. The old closet queen Marc Koldys is smart enough to avoid jail bait.
September 27th, 2009 at 12:54 amSo jeffy bovine, why aren’t you a beef patty farmer since you’ve already been outed? Yet another lying sockpuppet. Predictable! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 12:54 amHaggis Farmer says:
According to joe biden it already did!
All I know is, a year ago today, people were using the big-”D” word – “Depression” to scare everbody poopless, and today it looks like we’re holding steady and looking at tentative future growth, economically speaking.
Looks like Joe was right, as usual.
September 27th, 2009 at 12:56 amYou know johnny, my favorite was that jeffy bovine thought the earth was flat and that the entire planet was cold in December and warm in July! Isn’t that just the most embarrassing thing!
We’re never going to let patsy live that one down! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 12:58 amReggie says:
jtbf:
What’s really pathetic is that the trolls from Olbermann Watch are not teenagers. The old closet queen Marc Koldys is smart enough to avoid jail bait.
Seriously? They sound just like teenage boys! Wow, that’s really sad! The closet must have really stunted their social growth, what a sad and pathetic little band of losers!
September 27th, 2009 at 1:00 amHaggis Farmer says:
people were using the big-”D” word –
Correction, obama was.
Not knowing facts doesn’t make you right, it makes you ignorant! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 1:01 amHaggis Farmer says:
Why no “contact” button on your stalker blog? Coward much?
Ah, mary, we both know who the real coward is! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 1:02 amHaggis Farmer says:
We’re never going to let patsy live that one down! ;)
Below Average American Patsy has been embarrassed so many times he’s numb to it…;)
You should be so hard on your critique of your drag, there’s worse than you and your Patsy drag! Just not much worse! ;)
Whining one liner idiot posts isn’t winning, it’s like the little boy that runs off the field and yells “I win”. You got beat up a lot in school didn’t you sport? ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 1:03 amHaggis Farmer says:
Ah, mary, we both know who the real coward is! ;)
Yes, the one w/out a “contact” button is.
Denial won’t make you happy patsy, it’ll just keep you as the old bitter queen we’re all used to listening whine and priss around… ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 1:04 amHaggis Farmer says:
You got beat up a lot in school didn’t you sport? ;)
Says the fat geek! ;)
Oh, you were a fat geek? That explains a lot watchdog! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 1:06 amWhat’s the purpose of having one? Is it so you can send me
September 27th, 2009 at 1:10 amdeath threats like Rick Martinez did, or like you morons at the stalker/hate blog do to Charles Johnson? He had to shut down his contact button too.
Poor rick martinez, 33, single and home alone on a Saturday night. Drunk, stupid, angry and lonely. Wow, you’re almost too pathetic to even make fun of. Almost! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 1:10 amHaggis Farmer says:
That explains a lot watchdog! ;)
Do you ever tire of being dead wrong? LOL! First I was “Bovine” now I’m “watchdog?” Hallucinate much?
Rick, your Sockpuppets are as pathetic as you are, and that says a lot! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 1:11 amAh, rick is upset because his sockpuppets have been bagged…
How cowardly predictable… ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 1:15 amSTFU, Jeff.
Amazing how you enjoy making an ar$e and humiliate yourself in public.
What did Mike ever do to you, Jeffy Bovine?
September 27th, 2009 at 1:16 amPoor jeffie is upset she has a fat *ss and thinks everyone else must be fat so she can feel better. Classic self loathing eat to medicate her sadness closet case. ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 1:17 amRick, are you biologically male or female? From the photos I can’t tell. Oh well, I guess if we have to ask it don’t matter? ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 1:19 amPoor rick, upset we can see all of your sockpuppets are you. You’re too stupid to be anyone else Jeff/Rick/Watchdog the mary! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 1:20 amYou know how the Bovine gave himself away?
He is a POS racist.
Twatjie would crucify the bovine – roman style – for dissing latinos.
Bovine, should I send your web site address to Twatjie?
September 27th, 2009 at 1:22 amSo now that I’m done making fun of Jeffy Bovine, I have a life to get back to.
In closing, what have we learned?
Conservatives are anti-science witch fearing lunatics that are happy to allow the world as we know it to come to an end out of superstition and ignorance.
Good thing they have us to protect them from themselves and their ignorance! You’re well Jeffy/Rick. You don’t deserve it, but I’ll do it for you anyway. You ungrateful ingrate closet case fat*ssed prissy thing! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 1:23 amjohnny dol1ar says:
You know how the Bovine gave himself away?
He is a POS racist.
Twatjie would crucify the bovine – roman style – for dissing latinos.
Bovine, should I send your web site address to Twatjie?
They only have one brain between all of the Republicans. They’re all sockpuppets with Rush’s hand up their *ss… ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 1:24 amHaggis Farmer says:
johnny dol1ar says:
Really? Trajan and I are good friends! LOL!
Just a bunch of single losers buddies that can’t get laid by girls who all repeat the same stupid one line style of intended blog disruption. Did you all go to the same school to learn how to act like a juvenile boy, or is it that where you just stopped growing up? LOL! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 1:26 amHaggis Farmer says:
Wait. You’re back pedaling , again? LOL!
Wait. You still are back pedaling , again? Is it cold or hot in December? LOL! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 1:27 amI leave you and your buddies to all get around a circle and be jerks to Olbermann’s picture! ;)
idiot. ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 1:27 amYes.
I just wanted YOUR confirmation that YOU Bovine and Twatjie are closet homos who jerk off to K.O. pictures.
Thank you.
September 27th, 2009 at 1:28 amMaybe Haggis can ask twajie if it’s cold in december and get a straight answer from a minority? ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 1:29 amHaggis Farmer says:
Just think, you’re idiocy will be here, forever!
The fool who believes he’s wise, how predictable! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 1:30 amHaggis Farmer says:
As the olbyloon leaves bleeding from every orifice…LOL!
You conservatives are always so great at projecting and giving accurate descriptions of yourself! Nothing says olbyloon like that website of yours! And nothing says mouth breather inbred like that picture of Rick! LOL!
September 27th, 2009 at 1:31 amMuch like your homo cowboy picture with boots, cut offs shorts, a camo cap, and the horse bare backing you.
Why did you take down the pic, Bovine?
September 27th, 2009 at 1:32 amAh, poor haggis is voting me down, it’s so pathetic it’s almost cute. What a predictable little mary you are! LOL! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 1:32 amjohnny dol1ar says:
Much like your homo cowboy picture with boots, cut offs shorts, a camo cap, and the horse bare backing you.
Why did you take down the pic, Bovine?
Inbreds make me laugh! They at the same time tout how smart they are and condemn people better educated than them! LOL! What a bunch of trailer trash closet cases! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 1:34 amHaggis Farmer says:
Nothing says olbyloon like that website of yours!
Which one? I have several…;)
Good question, without seeing them all it’s hard to say which one is more lunatic. You’re a pretty messed up olbyloon mary! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 1:35 amNite johnny, have fun entertaining mizz pee in her circle jerk. ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 1:35 amWOW!
So you belong to some kind of horse fluffing ring, Bovine?
No wonder you are so busy, servicing your customers, er, your customers’ horses.
September 27th, 2009 at 1:37 amjohnny, mizz pee is denying she’s a mary, but she knows better doesn’t she! ;)
September 27th, 2009 at 1:40 amHaggis and the girly men at their stalker/hate blog creep me out, what’s with their obsession with Keith Olbermann and Charles Johnson.
September 27th, 2009 at 1:42 amIf you really want to get a laugh, do a google search for a pic of the old hag Mark Koldys, that bugger couldn’t get laid unless he had a fist full of fifties and a blindfold for the male escort.
Jeffy Bovine,
That pesky LBRUL is leaving. Stay with me and then you can tell me all about your affair with Twatjie.
Is he threatening to leave you for that mule with missing teeth?
September 27th, 2009 at 1:44 amIt’s cold in December? That your final answer?
September 27th, 2009 at 1:47 amROFL!;) Still! TDF! (*)——
Diez Nutz are cold in December. Better believe Global Cooling is what’s going on in beaverland.
September 27th, 2009 at 1:57 amG’nite!
September 27th, 2009 at 2:01 amThere you go again, take off when I show. I’m the hot stuff and I just don’t know why. You can get a good look at a t-bone by sticking your head up the butcher’s ass, but I’d rather take the cow’s word for it. How can you debate me when you won’t even debate the terrorists?
September 27th, 2009 at 2:05 amOK, in all honesty I’m kind of drunk but…
Has anybody who’s posted in this thread since my last post at #205 actually presented a political opinion, or should you all just get a room? I’ve tried to read the rest of this thread, but all I see is a bunch of hot, sweaty man-flirting.
September 27th, 2009 at 2:13 amGood night!
September 27th, 2009 at 2:39 amNighty night!
September 27th, 2009 at 3:07 amNight, y’all.
September 27th, 2009 at 3:55 amNote to Politically Superior:
Love your work, but it might save time if you simply posted the words “This comment has been voted down.”
PS: I am still Sad About the Young:
September 27th, 2009 at 6:28 amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8CmY8818qk
From Tom Friedman’s column in today’s NY times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/opinion/27friedman.html
“…China’s leaders have decided to go green — out of necessity because too many of their people can’t breathe, can’t swim, can’t fish, can’t farm and can’t drink thanks to pollution from its coal- and oil-based manufacturing growth engine. And, therefore, unless China powers its development with cleaner energy systems, and more knowledge-intensive businesses without smokestacks, China will die of its own development.”
“And when China decides it has to go green out of necessity, watch out. You will not just be buying your toys from China. You will buy your next electric car, solar panels, batteries and energy-efficiency software from China.”
“China’s leaders, mostly engineers, wasted little time debating global warming. They know the Tibetan glaciers that feed their major rivers are melting. But they also know that even if climate change were a hoax, the demand for clean, renewable power is going to soar as we add an estimated 2.5 billion people to the planet by 2050, many of whom will want to live high-energy lifestyles. In that world, E.T. — or energy technology — will be as big as I.T., and China intends to be a big E.T. player.”
This is GOOD NEWS for the Planet. It could be Good news for America and its Economy…if we have the Political Will to Move into 21st Century thinking.
September 27th, 2009 at 7:17 amHaggis Farmer says:
Earth…it freezes in December and thaws in June. Any questions?
Uh, yeah. I have one, teach.
Where is this “Earth” you speak about that freezes in December?
In December, the Northern Hemisphere experiences winter. The Southern H. does not. In June, just the opposite happens. Can’t argue with science about that.
And this is where your narrow mind fails. Stop thinking locally about global climate change.
But, eh, I’m arguing with a dining room table.
September 27th, 2009 at 7:46 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
aaronk pretends to be a scientist.
September 27th, 2009 at 9:39 amaaronk pretends to be honest
aaronk pretends to be able to understand the problems with health care
etc.
aaronk pretends….
aareek:
Are you going to admit you lied when you said you could provide scientific evidence that Arctic ice is not diminishing in mass?
Please be intellectually honest this time and provide proof from a reputable source, not a wacko blog.
While you’re here, please take the time to review comments #129 & #143 and the source material I referenced.
September 27th, 2009 at 9:40 amaaronk
September 27th, 2009 at 9:42 amAre you suggesting that you feel the international science community, the UN, NASA, the US military, countless think tanks, indigenous peoples, and all those migratory species are less informed on earthly events than aaronk?
The Great Pretender-The Platters
September 27th, 2009 at 9:45 amWhat kills me is the at aaronk and his leaders haven’t been right about anything and yet they still speak with authority.
I find it to be mildly amusing. Like talking to a child.
September 27th, 2009 at 9:46 amHow long will it take aaronk to not respond to my simple question?
September 27th, 2009 at 9:47 amWhat the whole “climate change” study is telling us, aaronk, is that the prospective global climate is in doubt. We’re talking about years and decades down the line. Yes, we can probably endure some of the current weather patterns, mainly since year-to-year changes are not as noticeable.
However, we should consider the future when weighing climate change. Just how long can we go pushing carbon emissions into the atmosphere without some sort of control? At what point would it require you to rethink the climate’s changes?
And let’s not forget that this isn’t only a question of climate, but a question of supply. The oil reserves have a finite cap to them. The earth won’t have fossil fuels forever, so we need to seek out alternatives, no matter how the oil companies may massage the numbers.
I’m willing to pay more for energy and conserve my own usage in order to guarantee we have energy in the future and a cleaner environment. Why are some people so much against that?
September 27th, 2009 at 9:49 amIt depends on whether or not you include replies using one of his other sock-puppets
September 27th, 2009 at 9:51 amFred, some speak with authority.
Some speak with mockery and LOLspeak to make up for their own insecurities.
September 27th, 2009 at 9:52 am270 aaronk
Playing stupid again?
First of all, if you are admitting the existence of “ice ages” you are admitting the earth is not “6,000 years old”
You have not made that claim yet. I am pointing this fact out so you can share it with your wingnut “Dog is still up there” xto morons and “jeebuz rode around on dinosaurs” crowd. (See a couple of threads below)
The reason why such claim is worth mentioning is because it underlies the fallacy of “well, it is nature at work. Hot, cold, hot, cold. As dog intended”
No, you dumba$$es.
We, mankind, are AFFECTING and HARMING nature and our planet at a rate never seen before. No other species has had such ability. Not the dinosaurs, not the mammoths, not the fish.
We, mankind, have the ability to destroy what nature took hundreds and thousands of years to build.
For the moronic deniers, like yourself, it is not a big deal.
Sht. Anyone reading this post, at this time, will be dead within the next hundred years. We won’t be around to SUFFER the conditions YOUR progeny will experience, so YOU STUPID f ks dismiss the urgency of the problem because you believe you won’t see it within your sorry life. At least that is what you morons think.
We have at least 100 years of experience dealing with toxic sht deemed “safe” at first. From tobacco smoking, through lead based paint and nuclear waste to plastic bags and detergents. Including CO2 emissions in specific areas.
Why do you think air quality reports and smog checks are REQUIRED in many parts OF THE WORLD, you MORON!
September 27th, 2009 at 10:10 amkyle was on press the meat this morning saying that Obama needs to listen to the generals and do what they say.
While I have no problem with Obama listening to what they think, I find it disengenuous for kyle to somehow imply that Obama is not thier boss, not the other way around.
What part of Commander in Chief does he not understand.
I have the feeling that they would like nothing more than to deny him his rightful authority at every turn. Too bad kyle.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:13 amWhy, because you can’t grasp the concept or because it would render you speechless?
September 27th, 2009 at 10:14 amFred, it’s amazing that the perfect example–the ultimate poster child–walks in right after I post.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:18 amPurple State, yes it is and he mentions irony, another concept he obviously doesn’t grasp.
His post was actually irony personified.
Oh well, it’s always good for a chuckle at their expense.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:21 amdbadass, I guess aaronk is afraid to confront you directly.
You do scare them, with setting traps and ensnaring them in thier own logic while feeding them well.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:23 amReggie
Jeffy Bovine, the stupid troll from last night, used to go by “Jeff” “royalking” (and variations) and “olby sucks” (and variations).
There was one time when he claimed to be communicating with some nut “patrolling the internets defending us from the enemy” or some sht like that, at the KO stalker site where Twatjie is still listed as a “contributor”.
Based on his erratic, homo obsession, and overall lack of skills, I’d say Bovine is nothing but a pest.
Twatjie is even more stupid in the sense that his rhetoric at his stalker sites have been more inflammatory.
Still, I haven’t seen a larger connection.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:25 ampp, I bet that without googling that you don’t even know who Vevill was. You just got that talking point and ran with it because you do what becky tells you to do, unquestioning.
Tell us just one thing the right has done. Just one sucess story.
I ask this a lot and not one troll or right winger of any ilk ever has the guts to address it. I’m betting you are yellow too.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:26 ampp, i mispelled Neville…my bad.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:27 amYeah, Fred. I’m not even going to bother posting the links that it forgets to include. Or point out how they have nothing to do with the topic. Or…eh, fu(k it. I’m not going to even bother talking to it.
Other than that, it’s just a lazy Sunday before the NFL starts Week 3. Just me and a coffee.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:27 amThat’s a good patriot. Nothing like undermining the leader of the free world to get you respect among the wild eyed extremists who actually do engage in histrionics.
is your name pat benidict arnold? Do you work for ben ladin?
September 27th, 2009 at 10:30 ampurple, I’m going to follow your lead. I’m in no mood to play paddy whack with pom pom the loser.
It might be different if he had any thought of his own or could make more than a one word 2nd grade retort.
sad, just sad the state of our troll population these days.
I don’t think they can survive much longer.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:33 amPee Pee
Why do you ask, Pee Pee?
Are you the same closet homo posting last night?
Or do you want me to post the comments from Jeffy Bovine claiming HE IS a cyber stalker?
Bet you won’t answer, Pee.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:33 am291 pom, do you have the guts or are you yellow?
September 27th, 2009 at 10:34 amJeffy Bovine,
Don’t you have some horse to go fluff up before you go to church?
September 27th, 2009 at 10:40 amYeah, Fred. It’s not really doing much other than pipe up in the background. Pretty sad, actually. I mean, if it really wanted to insult us, it would post a diatribe instead of these Tweets.
So I got the Falcons beating the Pats today and Detroit for my upset special. The ‘Skins looked pathetic against the Rams last week.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:40 amPat Pomeranian claimed to have said,
September 27th, 2009 at 10:41 amIt turns out that was said by Michael Savage. Plagiarism is just one of the many foibles of trolls.
What, me pointing out your hypocricy. You demanded respect for our president when bush was in office but you now treat our president with disrespect just because he is black?
Is that what you want to go away? I bet you do.
I notice you are still yellow. post 291 if your not a coward.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:44 amDo I really have to start kicking the shit out of that pos poser Pomery this early in the day. Damn is that clown a sorry individual…
September 27th, 2009 at 10:44 am304 Levi
It is Jeffy Bovine.
His posts as “royal king” linked to Dr. Weiners page. His idol.
I told you guys, this closet homo, not Dr. Weiners but Jeffy Bovine, is not too subtle.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:45 amScrew the posers. Engage those who offer informed opposition. Pat is desperate for attention nothing more nor less. Oh and by the way Pat Pomery is also a colossal pussy…
September 27th, 2009 at 10:47 amLevi, we already knew that pom couldn’t use those big words. He’s a known troll…..actually trajie, one of the most illiterate of all trolls known to man.
I’m bettin he’s hating you pointing it out though. He wanted us to think he was smart……..heh.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:47 am306
Someone has to do it!
I bet the Bovine won’t talk to you.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:48 amHate is the primary motivation of every wingnut. Their secondary motivation is fear. This is what drives the fascist.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:50 amHurry up, make the truth go away!
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September 27th, 2009 at 10:51 amStill I do love when they try and tackle such complex concepts as truth. If you saw this asshat’s attempts at beauty you’d understand what I mean. Damn that skank had some bad teeth. Was that the meth or just the white trash…
“Too soon to tell,” whether technology can “…come to the rescue?”
IMO, that question may particularly pertain to the ‘pesky’ matter of assimilating technologies into our daily lives; so that, the abstraction of a hypothetical, ‘ten-year helpful green-technology” spurt, out of the cycle of normal fiscal and monetary policies, would at least be oversimplified, and at best, difficult to understand!
September 27th, 2009 at 10:53 amWelp, as trolls go, Bovine’s actually fairly useful.
He’s so angry and incompetent, and incapable of making a real argument. Every now and again, I like to show my apolitical friends what the unhinged lunatic right is up to, and always their jaws drop at how nucking futs he is.
So Bovine’s doing his part to keep conservatism as unpopular as toe fungus.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:57 amGuys, just tell the twitterer speak to itself. The “truth” goes away eventually, and the “truther” will eventually get bored of this.
September 27th, 2009 at 11:00 amSo what happened to aaronk?
September 27th, 2009 at 11:38 amHaggis Farmer makes about as much sense as a Sausage Farmer.
Incredibly, her posts make even less sense.
September 27th, 2009 at 12:05 pmHi there vote down baby. Got any balls to speak up. I have never needed to vote anyone down ever yet still I dominate those posers that think they matter. Do you matter?
September 27th, 2009 at 12:36 pmddumbass, sorry it took me so long to reply…I went to church this morning, which I’m sure demonizes me even more on this board.
Anyway, there are just as many scientific communities that feel that the progressive idea of global warming is a hoax, and either #1 doesn’t really even exist, or #2 isn’t caused by man whatsoever and is just a part of nature’s cycle. It’s your problem that you only look at the liberal one-world governmetn perspective.
September 27th, 2009 at 2:03 pmtheft and dependency is the primary motivator of the left, so go ahead and pat yourself on the back
September 27th, 2009 at 2:05 pmaaronk says:
ddumbass, sorry it took me so long to reply…I went to church this morning, which I’m sure demonizes me even more on this board.
Why? It’s a free country, and you’re free to have whatever hobbies or superstitions you want.
aaronk says:
Anyway, there are just as many scientific communities that feel that the progressive idea of global warming is a hoax,
That’s a lie. Every major scientific body in the free world has agreed there is a consensus.
aaronk says:
and either #1 doesn’t really even exist, or #2 isn’t caused by man whatsoever and is just a part of nature’s cycle. It’s your problem that you only look at the liberal one-world governmetn perspective.
Or you’re a flat earth insane superstitious ignorant fool that is using computers and doesn’t understand scientists know more than you do about the topic they are trained in?
September 27th, 2009 at 2:15 pmaaronk says:
Anyway, there are just as many scientific communities that feel that the progressive idea of global warming is a hoax…
No, there aren’t. You lie.
There’s no such term as “scientific communities.” It’s not a plural concept. “The scientific community” refers to all scientists as an aggegrate. Creating seperate “communities” is what you would do to oppose science itself. Which is your intention.
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aaronk says:
It’s your problem that you only look at the liberal one-world governmetn perspective.
I find it interesting that you decided to throw “one-world government” into the middle of your rant. The science has nothing to do with nationalism vs. internationalism whatsoever. You just think that’s a bad term, so you tossed it in the middle of your sentence like a swear word. Again proving that wingnuts can’t understand the meanings of words, only the emotive connotation. You might as well just bark at us for all the amount of sense you’re making, or information you’re imparting.
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aaronk says:
theft and dependency is the primary motivator of the left
Our “primary motivator” is to reverse the rampant destruction of America and everything that it stands for that is the primary agenda of the right. What motivates you people to do that, I couldn’t say.
September 27th, 2009 at 2:15 pmaaronk says:
theft and dependency is the primary motivator of the left, so go ahead and pat yourself on the back
Projection is the primary response of the right. So go ahead think everyone is like you. But you’re a liar and a fool.
September 27th, 2009 at 2:16 pmI can see Mizz Pee is back whining an plagiarizing (a criminal act) as usual. What a thief and liar!
September 27th, 2009 at 2:17 pmaaronk
September 27th, 2009 at 2:22 pmIs there a reason you have chosen to intentionally misspell my name? I don’t give a shit if you go to church or not. Now as to that crap that there are just as many recognized thinking groups that think global climate is crap, I would ask that you support this thesis with evidences. Even the Bush administration which I hardly think left agree in the end. Do you think the US military leans left? Again feel free to beleive what youwish but don’t pretend it is supported by any majority. By the way can you make any argument in support of your ideas.See the thing is I have multiple degrees in the sciences. What are yours in?
What’s wrong aaronk, still don’t have the courage to admit you lied about the global ice sheet shrinking? Were you always a coward? Is that why you fear going to hell and are so susceptible to superstitious nonsense like “one world government” before the “rapture”? You should let lunatic stories destroy your present existence. That’s the mark of a fool.
September 27th, 2009 at 2:23 pmI fail to see any logic in simply lying to make a point, as our pet stupid trolls do. I think it might have to do with the fact that they are ruled by dogmatic conformity. They never apply reason to their own beliefs because they can’t stand the light that an objective examination of reality shines on their real motivations.
September 27th, 2009 at 2:43 pmFidel Castro praises Obama on climate change
By PAUL HAVEN (AP) – 4 days ago
HAVANA — Barack Obama’s call for action on climate change and his admission that rich nations have a particular responsibility to lead has received strong praise from an unusual source — U.S. nemesis Fidel Castro.
The former Cuban leader on Wednesday called the American president’s speech at the United Nations “brave” and said no other American head of state would have had the courage to make similar remarks.
In a speech at the United Nations on Tuesday, Obama acknowledged that the United States had been slow to act on climate change, but said Washington was now prepared to be a full partner as the world confronts the threat.
He said developed nations that have caused much of the climate change the planet has suffered have a “responsibility to lead,” but added that rapidly growing nations must do their part as well.
That admission of America’s past errors “was without a doubt a brave gesture,” Castro wrote in comments published by Cuban state-media Wednesday.
“It would only be fair to recognize that no other United States president would have had the courage to say what he said,” the former Cuban leader continued.
Castro, 83, handed over power to his brother Raul in February 2008, but has continued to release frequent essays on current events which are published in state media under the title “Reflections of Comrade Fidel.”
In Wednesday’s edition, the former Cuban leader quoted extensively from Obama’s speech, though he also criticized what he called America’s aggressive military and economic foreign policy.
“Its hundreds of military bases installed in dozens of countries on all the continents, its aircraft carriers and naval fleet, its thousands of nuclear arms, its wars of conquest, its military industrial complex and its arms trading are not compatible with the survival of our species,” he wrote.
US-Cuban relations have thawed somewhat since Obama took office in January. The U.S. leader has loosened financial and travel restrictions on Americans with relatives on the island, and the two countries last week held talks on restarting direct mail service suspended since 1963.
Raul Castro has said he is open to meeting face-to-face with the U.S. leader on neutral ground, and that all subjects could be on the table, and Fidel has praised Obama as a smart and sincere man. That is quite a difference from Cuba’s attitude toward former President George W. Bush, who was depicted on Havana billboards as a vampire.
But the warm words have so far failed to bring about concrete change on core issues.
Obama has left intact the 47-year trade embargo on the island, and U.S. officials have said for months that they would like to see the single-party, communist state accept some political, economic or social changes.
Cuba has repeatedly ruled out making any concessions in return for the lifting of the embargo.
September 27th, 2009 at 3:54 pmSo really did you jack that FLA business name or didn’t you?
September 27th, 2009 at 4:10 pmWhatever one thinks of the Castro Brothers’ politics, they ain’t stupid. Like the rest of the World, aside from a few tycoons and religious fanatics, they realized that we were being ruled by greedy/stupid people. Thankfully, President Obama has given rational people everywhere hope that responsible, rational, people are now in charge.
September 27th, 2009 at 4:39 pmOf course, anyone who actually follows news from around the world realizes that about 5 billion people heaved a sigh of relief that Bushco handed over the reins without some sort of mad coup. President Obama has restored a bit of the shine to the office Bush shat on.
September 27th, 2009 at 4:43 pmOn the other hand, one can make the case that women have gone to work because they have the time, not by abandoning child rearing, but because modern civilized life doesn’t demand that moms spend 16 hours a day at hard labor just to keep the household functioning.
September 27th, 2009 at 5:49 pmSorry about #332. Wrong thread.
September 27th, 2009 at 5:50 pmkwsventures says:
Fidel Castro praises Obama on climate change
I hear Castro also believes in the theory of gravity, so we therefore have to oppose that as well, huh? Allowing your enemies to define you as what they are not gives them power over you.
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kwsventures says:
Cuba has repeatedly ruled out making any concessions in return for the lifting of the embargo.
What sorts of concessions could there possibly be? They aren’t doing anything to us.
September 27th, 2009 at 6:37 pmYou should really broaden your horizons a little bit. The global warming hoax is a tool of the left winged “one world government” advocates to create an international tax and a widespread transfer of wealth from prosperous countries, such as the US, to less fortunate countries. Of course, all funds must 1st pass through and be filtered by the U.N.
September 27th, 2009 at 8:12 pmScientist against global warming
http://newsbusters.org/node/10756
September 27th, 2009 at 8:17 pmhttp://www.newsmax.com/headlines/global_warming_ice_age/2008/04/24/90591.html
A San Francisco-based scientist says that current solar activity strongly indicates that the earth is on the verge of a new ice age.
“Sorry to ruin the fun, but an ice age cometh,” warns Phil Chapman writing in The Australian. Chapman is a geophysicist and astronautical engineer who was the first Australian to become a NASA astronaut.
I’m glad that you referenced “NASA” earlier, as a credible source of consensus.
September 27th, 2009 at 8:21 pmhttp://www.newsweekly.com.au/articles/2008aug30_cover.html
What? The sun is more powerful than man? Wow….that is as amazing as my previous comment about the earth warming up after an ice age. This is truly amazing guys….you should really try this common sense stuff.
September 27th, 2009 at 8:23 pmhttp://needsofthemany.wordpress.com/2008/11/11/the-dreaded-cooling-of-planet-earth/
More scientist predicting a coming ice age….weird
September 27th, 2009 at 8:24 pmhttp://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=67509%20%20%20rapport
A scientist whose reservations about “global warming” have been officially endorsed by tens of thousands of other scientists is accusing the U.N. of using “mob rule” to generate fear-mongering climate change reports intended to scare national leaders into submitting to its worldwide taxation schemes.
I wonder why TP hasn’t posted any of this information before…..I guess they only want to showcase a certain type of “progress”
September 27th, 2009 at 8:26 pmhttp://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2009/jul/26/global-warming-proponents-cool-to-the-facts/
Last March, more than 700 international scientists went on record dissenting over man-made global warming claims
About 31,500 American scientists, including 9,029 with Ph.D. degrees, have signed a petition, that in part reads, ‘There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate
31,500 scientists…would that constitute a community?
September 27th, 2009 at 8:30 pmaareek:
World Nut Daily, News Max, and the discredited Oregon Project, don’t you have any fresh material? Are you so defeated that you are just phoning it in now?
I am still waiting for your reply to #129 & #143. None of your lane non-science blogs either, try finding something from the fact based universe.
When you are done with that, would you please address the issue of the quickly vanishing mountain glaciers, you’ve been avoiding that issue for too long.
It’s cute that you reappear 12 hours later and litter the bottom of this thread with your troll droppings long after this thread died. It appears that you weren’t man enough to stick it out when you were getting your butt kicked 200 comments & 12 hours ago.
September 27th, 2009 at 9:17 pmI see you are finally coming out of the closet and showing everyone your bircher roots. Is Lew Rockwell still your favorite writer?
At least now there’s a explanation for why you’re such a racist piece of human excrement.
September 27th, 2009 at 9:36 pmLast March, more than 700 international scientists went on record dissenting over man-made global warming claims
See the problem with all of your claims is that you don’t know what a scientist is.
One of the listed prominent scientists is Chris Allen, who holds no college degree, believes in creationism and belongs to a Southern Baptist church.
Allen is a weatherman at the FOX-affiliated TV station in Bowling Green, Ky.
How many more of these “Christian” scientists are in your list?
Now back in the real world, the climate scientists and actual research and methodology prove you’re wrong. On one side is a preponderance of published research proving climate change which is backed by ever scientific body in the world. On the other side is a bunch of local religious zealots that work as local weather men and can’t predict tomorrow’s weather let alone climate change. Geez, which is more credible and which should be believed? LOL! You superstitious “religious” hill billies crack me up! How you’re willing to lie, be ignorant and hate your fellow name all cloaked in fake morality. Very Republican of you! ;)
September 28th, 2009 at 12:22 amOK, 1st of all, I have a life outside of tp.org, so it has nothing to do with being man enough to stick it out.
2nd, I have read the article you posted, and as I have said before, the science isn’t settled. There is just as much evidence to the contrary, but you refuse to look at it.
September 28th, 2009 at 12:14 pmwell, I had to google the term “birchers” to see what you were talking about, but no I am not a member of the John Birch society.
That being said, however, I did read about them after I googled it, and learned that the society says is anti-totalitarian, particularly anti-socialist and anti-communist, and leans to right-libertarian. It seeks to limit the powers of government and defends what it sees as the original intention of the U.S. Constitution, based on Judeo-Christian principles. It opposes collectivism, including wealth redistribution, economic interventionism, socialism, communism, and fascism.
That doesn’t sound too bad to me.
It looks like they opposed aspects of the Civil Rights Act, which I assume is where you draw the racist conclusion from. I’m not really sure what their case is against it, but with the exception of affirmative action, I am a big fan of the entire civil rights movement and wish I would have been alive in the sixties to witness more of it 1st hand.
September 28th, 2009 at 12:23 pm1st of all, being a christian doesn’t discredit you as a scientist. 2nd, as I have pointed out, there are over 31,500 scientists who disagree with the global warming theory. So….I guess anyone who disagrees with you is just a crack pot?
September 28th, 2009 at 12:25 pmaareek:
That silly Oregon petition has been completly discredited over a year ago.
Why can’t you get Eric Odom to give you any fresh talking points.
You still haven’t addressed my comments 129 & 143.
September 28th, 2009 at 12:39 pmIs that an admission that you once again failed miserably?
Do you have anything of substance to backup that assertion or are you merely stating your opinion?
It’s been days and you still haven’t addressed the unprecedented loss of mountain glacier ice mass.
Hey, if you can’t dazzle us with your brilliance at least amuse us with your bull $hit, take a stab at it, I need a good laugh.
September 28th, 2009 at 12:48 pmaaronk says:
1st of all, being a christian doesn’t discredit you as a scientist.
It does if that’s what you base your science on!
aaronk says:
2nd, as I have pointed out, there are over 31,500 scientists who disagree with the global warming theory.
I just debunked that. People who don’t have college degrees in or that use religion as the basis of their opinions aren’t scientists. They’re lunatics like you and Chris Allen.
aaronk says:
So….I guess anyone who disagrees with you is just a crack pot?
How passive aggressive of you. When confronted with the fact that crack pots like Chris Allen think the bible means there can’t be global warming – you make a deflecting and dishonest response that “disagreement” is the basis for someone being a crack pot! LOL!
No being a crack pot, is why they/you are a crack pot. Understanding science and what the scientific consensus happens to be is why I’m not one, and you are!
I’m not surprised that your response to the fact that these scientists in your list are crack pots is met with an entrenched and insane response. It’s what I predicted and it just goes to show that most conservatives face an incurable mental illness that facts cannot penetrate.
Meanwhile in the real world, there is a world wide scientific consensus that the earth is a globe, and that globe is undergoing climate change. What you flat earth crack pots believe just prove you’re all nuts – nothing more!
September 28th, 2009 at 9:17 pmaaronk says:
OK, 1st of all, I have a life outside of tp.org, so it has nothing to do with being man enough to stick it out.
Yes, one that apparently gives you ample time to read up on global warming as you claim – yet that prevents you from knowing anything about it!
aaronk says:
2nd, I have read the article you posted, and as I have said before, the science isn’t settled. There is just as much evidence to the contrary, but you refuse to look at it.
Actually the science is completely settled. And there is no evidence that climate change isn’t happening – but hundreds of published pages of scientific evidence that it is.
You lose again.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:19 pmaaronk says:
well, I had to google the term “birchers” to see what you were talking about, but no I am not a member of the John Birch society.
Yet you share their beliefs – making you one.
aaronk says:
That being said, however, I did read about them after I googled it, and learned that the society says is anti-totalitarian, particularly anti-socialist and anti-communist, and leans to right-libertarian. It seeks to limit the powers of government and defends what it sees as the original intention of the U.S. Constitution, based on Judeo-Christian principles. It opposes collectivism, including wealth redistribution, economic interventionism, socialism, communism, and fascism.
It’s an extremist right wing bunch of lunatics that shares your values.
aaronk says:
That doesn’t sound too bad to me.
Of course not – you’re an extremist.
aaronk says:
It looks like they opposed aspects of the Civil Rights Act, which I assume is where you draw the racist conclusion from.
LOL! Yeah, how could that happen?
aaronk says:
I’m not really sure what their case is against it, but with the exception of affirmative action, I am a big fan of the entire civil rights movement and wish I would have been alive in the sixties to witness more of it 1st hand.
You’re not sure? Yeah, it couldn’t be the obvious response that it was racism? Of course you’re not a fan of the civil rights movement – you’re a racist fool!
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