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Huckabee: Let The United Nations, The ‘International Equivalent Of ACORN,’ Float Into The East River

On Saturday, Mike Huckabee gave the keynote address at Phyllis Schlafly’s How To Take Back America conference. Huckabee praised Schafly, calling her book “Choice not an Echo” an inspiration when he was a teenager.

Huckabee spent a considerable amount of his address railing against the United Nations, calling it the “international equivalent of ACORN” and demanding that America should withdraw. As Dave Weigel noted, the crowd greeted Huckabee’s anti-UN rhetoric with a standing ovation:

HUCKABEE: It’s time to get a jackhammer and to simply chip that part of New York City. Let it float into the East River, never to be seen again. [STANDING OVATION] [...]

It’s time to say enough of the American taxpayer dollar being spent that may have had a noble idea, but it has become a disgrace. It has become the international equivalent of ACORN, and it’s time to say enough.

Listen here:

The UN and other international diplomatic organizations have been a popular boogieman for Huckabee and his followers for years. During the 2008 campaign, Huckabee scored the endorsement of evangelical leader Rev. Tim LaHaye, whose books predict that the end-times will be accelerated by the secretary-general of the United Nations. During the campaign, Huckabee also — falsely — boasted that he had been consulted on foreign policy by John Bolton, who has made a career out of bashing the UN.

In August, Huckabee traveled to Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories and rejected a two-state solution. As Matthew Yglesias has noted, Huckabee also called for an ethnic cleansing of Palestinians to be removed from the region.



239 Responses to “Huckabee: Let The United Nations, The ‘International Equivalent Of ACORN,’ Float Into The East River”

  1. LibertyLover says:

    Too bad Bush isn’t still President, because then the Huckster could get a recess appointment as Ambassador to the UN with a statement like that.


  2. dasm says:

    These idiot sheep don’t even know why they hate the UN. Except that they know they must always agree with noisy, hate-filled Repubs like Huckabee & Bolton.


  3. Uncle Ho says:

    I see that Phuckabee is in the John Bolt-on school of diplomacy.


  4. RUCerious says:

    Two words for former important guy Hucklebee…

    SALAD BAR!!!!


  5. Chyron HR says:

    Oh, yes, destroy a New York landmark to strike a blow against your enemies!

    Huckabee: The Republican equivalent of the 9/11 hijackers.


  6. SWBob says:

    These simple minded folk live in a world as big as their garage. They have no interest or ability to acknowledge that the world involves more than their little lives so they believe that solutions are easy and simple, such as “shock and awe” bombing of Iraq will being the middle east crawling to ask for mercy. Hmmm, didn’t seem to work out.


  7. Pilotshark says:

    So huck do you also believe your friend and cohort Chucky about staining and defacing the American flag.


  8. Purple State says:

    Turning down Mike Huckabee as their GOP nominee is probably one of the better decisions the GOP’s base made during the elections.


  9. Marcus Aurelius says:

    Apparently, Huckabee is pregnant, again.


  10. A Patriot Acting says:

    Neocons, Christian fundamentalists and zionists oh my!

    Now THERE’S a most unholy alliance that would gladly embrace the end of days


  11. Wiz says:

    “End of days” is not a concept that Zionists would embrace.


  12. DNFP says:

    Fat, stupid, hateful white man.

    Poster-child for the GOP.


  13. Uncle Ho says:

    w_cleon_skousens says:

    Phuckabee should GO FOR THE GUSTO!
    Mike, with EVERY trip to the golden arches, tell them,
    SUPER-SIZE ME!
    Hardening of the arteries 2.0
    GO FOR IT!


  14. PatrioticLiberalChristian says:

    Oh my God! I didn’t realize that Huckabee had gained so much weight and I think I put two and two together and figured it out. HUCKABEE ATE DARYLL!


  15. Peter C says:

    As someone living in the NYC area and working in Manhattan, I am proud to have the UN nearby. If it offends Huckabee, he needn’t visit.


  16. Exit Stage Left says:

    Looks like Huckleberry Hound has been noshing on watermelon seeds again.


  17. DNFP says:

    Two words for former important guy Hucklebee…

    LAP-BAND®


  18. tokin librul says:

    Please governor Hucklebee say no to seconds and eat smaller (much smaller) portions.

    Yo, Huck! Have a twinky!


  19. Exit Stage Left says:

    Bimbo Barbie Palin…Howdy Doody Jindal…Mittens…Good and Pawlenty…Hikin’ the Trail Sanford…Secessionist (P)rick Perry…The republic challenge of 2012 must have the Dems quaking in their boots.


  20. DNFP says:

    …proud to have the UN nearby.

    After Grand Central Station and the “Chrysler” building, the UN is one of my favorite stops when in NYC.

    Maybe someday I’ll have time to visit the Cloisters.


  21. Exit Stage Left says:

    Oopsie…I left fat ass Huckleberry off my daunting list.


  22. spearNmagicHelmet says:

    whatever fatboy.

    nothing socialist about donuts.


  23. jb says:

    Huckabee, the Elmer Gantry of our time. We’ve still got a hangover from the last GOP snake oil sales job. Huck should just float on down the river.


  24. DallasNE says:

    Huckabee looks like he has been sucking down too many free meals.


  25. misscoleopteramolly says:

    When Huckabee compares the United Nations to ACORN, I noticed he didn’t explain any parallels.

    Of course, with this audience he didn’t have to. His general message is “ACORN is bad, and the UN is bad — therefore they are equivalent.” I doubt very much anybody in that audience can speak intelligently about either ACORN or the United Nations — all they could say is that ACORN is an organization devoted to widespread voter fraud and enabling prostitution, and that the United Nations is evil because they oppose the United States beating anybody up it wants to.

    Huckabee’s approach to foreign policy scares me as much as the Bush/Cheney doctrine did.


  26. jb says:

    Huckabible should take a walk with the dinosaurs.


  27. What the GOP REALLY means ... says:

    We are a unified, centralized superpower with a laser beam at our disposal, and we can target the laser on any country of our choosing (but first we have to point to it on a map).

    What are you looking at, Russia? BEW! BEW! TAKE THAT!

    .. uh … ah .. OH SHIT! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!


  28. A Patriot Acting says:

    Wiz says:
    “End of days” is not a concept that Zionists would embrace.

    Part of why I could never understand the mutual friendship between the three groups. I guess one group’s means meet another’s ends.


  29. Luis Chapulin M says:

    Another day, another fat Republican racist…


  30. jb says:

    If Huckabee takes an enormous dump, will Daryll re-appear?


  31. ralph the wonder llama says:

    misscoleopteramolly says:
    When Huckabee compares the United Nations to ACORN, I noticed he didn’t explain any parallels.

    Of course, with this audience he didn’t have to. His general message is “ACORN is bad, and the UN is bad — therefore they are equivalent.”

    Exactly right. missM. The right wing has abandoned sense-based language usage in favor of simplistic amygdala impact. They do not choose words because of their meanings; they choose words based on their emotional resonance.

    Hence their frequent forays into fear-laden incoherence.


  32. House of Roberts says:

    Why are the ‘cons against prostitution? I thought they were for free enterprise! They always seem to be their best customers, too.


  33. tom says:

    Four words for former important guy Huckleberry…

    Eat sh!t and die!


  34. shoeless says:

    misscoleopteramolly says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    Huckabee’s approach to foreign policy scares me as much as the Bush/Cheney doctrine did.

    Actually, Huckabee scares me more. The goal of Bush/Cheney’s foreign policy was to enrich the multi-national corporations at the expense of American taxpayers and third world countries. While that is bad enough, the goal of Huckabee’s foreign policy would be nothing less than the end of the world.


  35. shoeless says:

    House of Roberts says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    Why are the ‘cons against prostitution? I thought they were for free enterprise! They always seem to be their best customers, too.

    It’s the same reason so many Republicans are closeted gay homophobes.


  36. What the GOP REALLY means ... says:

    jb says:

    If Huckabee takes an enormous dump, will Daryll re-appear?

    Excrement-elect

    *flush*


  37. jb says:

    What does the Huck/Daryll branch of the GOP really mean?


  38. Zooey says:

    Looks like Huckabee is for the “two plate” solution.

    And Phyllis for dessert…


  39. House of Roberts says:

    shoeless at 12:03 pm

    Then they should look up Ted Haggard’s meth dealer/consort. Two sins in one! Convenience AND economy!


  40. Winski says:

    Huckleberry really needs to go back to Arkansas and bust some sod or re-start his stilling operation!!

    It’s real clear from the rants he goes on in public and the stupidity that comes spewing out of his face during his show on Cluster-Fox that he believes he is the next coming… This man needs to go on tour with beck and hannratty as a stage hand…


  41. What the GOP REALLY means ... says:

    jb says:

    What does the Huck/Daryll branch of the GOP really mean?

    Nothing to most republicans after campaign season’s over. You think my party finds the same joy giving sermons from the oval office to a bunch of evangelical dipshits as we do handing out no-bid contracts and scheduling appointments with call girls? Give us your damn money evenjellycals and shut the hell up.


  42. vinylspear says:

    He is trying to emulate his role model, Rush limbaugh.


  43. jb says:

    It is time to put a stop to all Government funding of Faith Based crapola.


  44. jb says:

    Thanks, GOP REALLY, for clearing that up.


  45. 5th Estate says:

    2012 PRESIDENTIAL HOPEFUL MIKE HUCKABEE CALLS FOR DOMESTIC TERROR ATTACK ON NEW YORK.


  46. pete says:

    Isn’t that cute. The Huckster thinks the U.S.A. can survive alone. That’s another good reason why those who stubbornly Believe every word of the Buybull is literally true should be barred from public office.


  47. What the GOP REALLY means ... says:

    *YAWN*

    You guys mind if the War on Christmas begins a little earlier this year?


  48. Zimzone says:

    Recall 15 months back when Hyuckaberry was still in the campaign.

    He was so ’sweet & pastor-like’, vying for votes as an unknown. He could play bass guitar (badly), & was the sweetheart of the debates, to some extent.

    Look at him today.

    100+ lbs heavier, spewing radical Bolton like shit, and trying to ‘out-crazy’ other potential Republic candidates to garnish media coverage.

    One walk along Palestine and he’s a Middle East expert. RIGHT!

    I agree with posters above who consider him more dangerous than we suspected. This man is power hungry, dressing it up in religious rhetoric to acquire increased campaign funds.

    America’s biggest terrorist threat today is Right Wing Christian Extremists.


  49. What the GOP REALLY means ... says:

  50. lm945 says:

    Ethnic cleansing? Really?

    That was Hitler’s solution to the “Jewish problem.”

    Republicans = Nazis.


  51. jjm says:

    Somebody has to call out this nonsense. No one but a tiny band of morons believes them–check the polls, please.

    I am very sad that right wing idiocy has grabbed all headlines since the day of Obama’s election, while the press constantly characterizes him as ’struggling’ or ’scrambling’ — NYT’s favorite descriptors for him.

    For Pete’s sake, he’s accomplished a great deal, but does anyone know anything about him, except that he’s “hitler”?


  52. har5125 says:

    Huckabee’s strategy for 2012: Eat the competition!


  53. aaronk says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  54. jb says:

    Huck’s a floater. He seems to be enjoying circling the bowl.


  55. belaccifer lacca says:

    Did he really call for an “ethnic cleansing”?

    Does your browser follow links?

    Click it and see…


  56. Tawdry says:

    It’s time to say enough of the American taxpayer dollar being spent that may have had a noble idea, but it has become a disgrace. It has become the international equivalent of ACORN, and it’s time to say enough.
    —————————
    Ah yes, taxpayer dollars. Where is the outrage in the Republican camp about taxpayer dollars given over the years to fraudulent contractors such as Lockheed Martin, Northrup Drummond, Haliburton, KBR, Blackwater, etc. In the case of KBR there were also the elctrocution deaths of soldiers and the murders committed by Blackwater.


  57. aaronk says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  58. belaccifer lacca says:

    Pat Pomery says:

    Hey Pat! Are you an International Relations expert as well as a ratings analyst and legal scholar?

    Your skills and grasp of all those things seems about equal…

    Wow!


  59. Purple State says:

    Very well, so obesity doesn’t apply to political affiliation.

    Fine. I won’t make fun of Huckabee’s weight, even though I never planned to in the first place.

    Then let’s lay off the fat jokes and wait for mmmmmmm to taunt us a second time.


  60. chiroptera toasterhead says:

    aaronk says:

    Did he really call for an “ethnic cleansing”?

    September 28th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
    ____________

    Yes.


  61. Levi the Dungbeetle says:

    The reason the Republicans do not like the UN is that it’s very existence tends to minimize the likelihood of war. The fourth of the fourteen characteristics of fascism is the supremacy of the military.

    Republicans like war because war makes money for weapons manufacturers. If the UN achieves it’s ultimate goal, which would be world peace, the weapons manufacturers would be out of business. Republicans always make war, or their real constituents would go broke.

    We must remove the fascist Republican crime organization from all elected positions at all levels of government.


  62. aaronk says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  63. QuaylePLUSChenowethEQUALSPalin says:

    Hes gotta lotta hate in that gut.


  64. Trollspotter says:

    aaronk says:

    Did he really call for an “ethnic cleansing”?

    Did you really defend calls to bludgeon, burn, strangle and poison people on the left?

    Did you really tell us we could learn a lot from the book of a man who calls African American children “pickaninnies” and who calls white slave owners “the worst victims” of the American slave trade?


  65. belaccifer lacca says:

    aaronk says:

    Speaking of distractions, here’s aaronk!

    Anything to say on-topic, aaronk?

    Do you think that the Palestinians should be deported from Israel?

    Do you think that the largest diplomatic organization in history really has no place in international relations?

    Do you think at all?


  66. belaccifer lacca says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

    Ethnic cleansing is a term that has come to be used broadly to describe all forms of ethnically inspired violence, ranging from murder, rape, and torture to the forcible removal of populations.[1] A 1993 United Nations Commission defined it more specifically as, “the planned deliberate removal from a specific territory, persons of a particular ethnic group, by force or intimidation, in order to render that area ethnically homogenous.“[1]

    Boy, that sounds like what Huckster is saying to me, aaronk?

    Are you a far cry from reason and sense? Yes.


  67. belaccifer lacca says:

    Does the fact that Mickey D’s sells the most burgers make them the best> ;

    That’s your argument, remember?

    Does the UN have an important role to play in international relations?

    Yes or no?


  68. aaronk says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  69. pete says:

    Stupid trolls. Don’t they realize that ditching school only hurts them?


  70. aaronk says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  71. tombaker says:

    Ol’Huck’s gettin pretty big on all those squirrels awrongk and stormo keep draggin’ home to him.

    Take it easy, guys – you don’t want ol’Huck right back up to his pre-Jenny weight, do you?


  72. Levi the Dungbeetle says:

    America is getting to the point where we need segregation. Not segregation by the color of one’s skin, but segregation of fascist Republicans into prison camps.

    Republicans are out of control and are threatening the stability of this country. I think this is a great use for the Guantanamo Bay prison facility. I call it the great wingnut roundup. We will be selling long, pointy sticks in the gift shop.


  73. jb says:

    Jimmy Carter makes a lot more sense than Huckabuybull. Carter also takes his Christian beliefs seriously rather than just exploiting them for personal and political gain. Huckabuybull is a pandering fraud.


  74. belaccifer lacca says:

    Giving terrorists and murderers a platform and safe haven? No, I’m against that!

    Ahh, so you opposed the invasion of Iraq then?


  75. chiroptera toasterhead says:

    aaronk says:

    That statement is a far cry from “ethnic cleansing”

    September 28th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
    ____________

    No, it’s really not. Suggesting that members of one ethnic group should go away and establish “a place to call their own” somewhere else is pretty much the definition of ethnic cleansing.


  76. pete says:

    I will, however, give the huckster a bit of credit for ever losing weight in the first place. He’s at a disadvantage. Anyone who can swallow “Biblical inerrency” can swallow anything.


  77. aaronk says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  78. belaccifer lacca says:

    good point. I can’t stand Huck, but I would assume he would defend his statement by pointing out that he was calling for a realistic view of the cause of the violence in the area.

    Realistic?

    Removing all the Palestinians from Israel is ‘realistic’in your view?

    You realize now that you are defending ethnic cleansing but you find it acceptable because it is ‘realistic?’

    What reality to you inhabit?


  79. chiroptera toasterhead says:

    aaronk says:

    I can’t stand Huck, but I would assume he would defend his statement by pointing out that he was calling for a realistic view of the cause of the violence in the area.

    September 28th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
    ___________

    He called for Israel to tear down the settlements? When did that happen?


  80. Marie says:

    ethnic cleansing??

    Huckleberry claims to be a christian.

    And we thought Bush was most stupid.


  81. pete says:

    Sheesh. Here’s a stupid troll who, at least, confirms he’s only hear to troll. He, “can’t stand Huck”, and yet he’s here defending him.


  82. dbadass says:

    Reagan supported terrorists…


  83. Parlezvous says:

    It looks like Big Mike should be wearing Big Macs.


  84. belaccifer lacca says:

    Yes. I was an advocate of the MOAB. ;)

    Ahh, so you don’t understand effective international relations… you don’t understand effective long term military strategy and you ALSO don’t understand effective military tactics?

    Great.

    I’m so glad you guys continue to marginalize yourselves… thank you.


  85. Fred says:

    this is an appropriate thread for the trolls. huck is a troll too.


  86. Trollspotter says:

    Trollspotter says:

    Did you really defend calls to bludgeon, burn, strangle and poison people on the left?

    Did you really tell us we could learn a lot from the book of a man who calls African American children “pickaninnies” and who calls white slave owners “the worst victims” of the American slave trade?

    aaronk says:

    no and no

    You lie, aaronk.

    This is your defense of Glenn Beck after being confronted with evidence that he’s called for the poisoning of the Speaker of the House, beating Charlie Rangel’s head in with a shovel, choking Michael Moore to death, etc.

    aaronk says:

    Please, unless you learn to understand humor and sarcasm, you really shouldn’t even post anything….it’s a waste of everyone’s time

    Here’s your second lie. You did tell me to read a proven racist’s book:

    Trollspotter says:

    Well, the thing is, aaronk, this Skousen fellow is a racist:

    Toward the end of Reagan’s second term, Skousen became the center of a minor controversy when state legislators in California approved the official use of another of his books, the 1982 history text “The Making of America.” Besides bursting with factual errors, Skousen’s book characterized African-American children as “pickaninnies” and described American slave owners as the “worst victims” of the slavery system. Quoting the historian Fred Albert Shannon, “The Making of America” explained that “[slave] gangs in transit were usually a cheerful lot, though the presence of a number of the more vicious type sometimes made it necessary for them all to go in chains.”

    aaronk says:

    trollspotter, there are no racist comments in the 5,000 year leap at all. You should read it.


  87. majii says:

    I’m in favor of a moral cleansing for Huckabee and the others who attended this farce of a conference and all others who support their nonsense.
    Hey, Huckabee, do you and your supporters know that the ACORN bill passed by both houses of Congress is unconstitutional?


  88. ElBruce says:

    Anybody who wants to withdraw from the international diplomatic coalitions is quite simply dangerous in the world, and must be prevented from achieving any position of power. It’s a simple fact that the developed nations of the world haven’t gone to war with each other since the U.N. was established. Before then, they fought each other all the time. Clearly Huckabee has an agenda that involves turning the entire planet into a cinder in the name of… something.

    .

    Pat Pomery says:

    Does the UN have an important role to play in international relations?

    Giving terrorists and murderers a platform and safe haven? No, I’m against that!

    Hey, I’m all for indicting Bush and Cheney too, but that’s no reason to walk away from our diplomatic responsibilities.


  89. Max Anax junius -1 says:

    .

    Q U E S T I O N:
    If the USA dumps the UN…
    … Then what resolutions will the G(no)P hold up as their canard to invade and occupy sovereign Nations that pose little to no threat to the security of the USA?

    .


  90. Wiz says:

    Wiz says:
    “End of days” is not a concept that Zionists would embrace.

    Part of why I could never understand the mutual friendship between the three groups. I guess one group’s means meet another’s ends.

    The Christian fundementalists embraced the creation of Israel as a sign of the “end of days”. Zionists have no such notion. I would not say Zionists would call themselves “friends” with these people, these “end of days” believers also believe Israel will be destroyed at the battle of Armegedeon. This is hardly a belief that Zionists would endorse. Don’t lump these “end of days” people with Zionists, “end of days” people do not want to solve the Israeli-Palestinian issue because they see that as taking to world away from the end that they so eagerly seek. In fact they don’t want to solve any of the issues the world faces today for the same reason. They sit on the mountain top waiting for salvation, while the rest of us seek to solve problems.

    These “end of days” believers, have captured the Republican party, and they seek to block reform because they feel it puts off what they see as inevitable.


  91. aaronk says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  92. glogrrl says:

    Let me see…….the ideology of Mike Huckabee seem to be:
    Isolationist
    Imperialist
    Theocratist
    White Supremicist
    Militarist

    Hey, that’s a Rethuglican Presidential candidate, guaranteed!


  93. shoeless says:

    belaccifer lacca says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    You realize now that you (aaronk) are defending ethnic cleansing but you find it acceptable because it is ‘realistic?’

    What reality to you inhabit?

    Apparently, the same one as Slobodan Milosevich.


  94. belaccifer lacca says:

    MOAB’s are VERY effective.

    Yeah! Air strikes are totally winning the hearts and minds of the people of Iraq and Afghanistan… if only we had something BIGGER to drop on them they’d really LOVE us!!


  95. Shayne says:

    ACORN, the census, the Federal Reserve and now the UN. We should start a pool on who the Foxsuckers are going to target next week.


  96. Purple State says:

    You were for the advocation of “mother-of-all-bombing” warfare in Iraq, PP? I’m assuming that’s what MOAB stands for?

    My God, man.


  97. Buckie Boy says:

    Conservatives don’t want nothing to do with the rest of the world if they don’t do as we say.

    How these morons think is beyond comprehension.

    Their reasoning part of their brains just don’t seem to function all that well….

    …or at all, for that matter.


  98. aaronk says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  99. belaccifer lacca says:

    I am not Huckabee, and I have very limited knowledge of the area and the conflict, other than to know that it exists and is mostly due to religious differences.

    And yet you offer us your diplomatic wisdom anyway… strange.


  100. Fred says:

    aaronk is a known and proven liar. The fact that he thinks peace cannot come to israel/palesistine shows how little he knows.

    There have been peaceful times there, just not when a republican was president of the US.


  101. shoeless says:

    Murder is what passes for humor amongst right-wingers? You guys are seriously sick.


  102. Trollspotter says:

    aaronk says:

    If Beck was serious about doing any of those things, I wouldn’t support it. He clearly wasn’t.

    That’s called a defense. You are defending Beck’s pattern of calling for violence against the left by saying he wasn’t serious. So when you told me that you didn’t defend Beck’s comments…

    …you lied!

    aaronk says:

    I know nothing about the author of 5,000 year leap, but I have read that book and found no racists comments whatsoever. That was my statement and still is.

    But you did tell me to read it, right? And the author is racist. So when you told me that you didn’t recommend a book from a proven racist…

    …you lied!

    Facts are facts, aaronk.


  103. DRxJ says:

    Well, it does look like president-elect Huckabuck is storing acorns for the winter.
    One helluva lot of acorns!


  104. aaronk says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  105. Fred says:

    Pat Pomery says:
    It’s called “diplomacy” the cowboy way!

    Also known as the greatest forign policy failure in the history of the world.


  106. Purple State says:

    Pat Pomery says:

    Purple State says:

    It’s called “diplomacy” the cowboy way! Too bad Bush isn’t a real cowboy…..

    Wow. I’m convinced that you are an even better parody troll than WCS.


  107. shoeless says:

    Patty, you never answered my question from a previous thread. Why do you support the hiring of undocumented workers?


  108. belaccifer lacca says:

    Pat Pomery says:

    And Fox News is #1 (except when Univision has better ratings!)… and Formula 1 is 6 times more awesome than Football!

    And just cause Fox Broadcasting and News Corp. own and operate WTVT it doesn’t mean that FOX sued for the right to lie on air, except when it does.

    Try and keep up…


  109. pete says:

    And then the stupid troll admits that he doesn’t know much about the subject of Palestine even while he’s trying to argue the point. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

    I can explain the whole Palestinian issue in two words: European colonialism.

    The problem is that a bunch of Europeans, who happen to be Jewish in this particular case, seized the Holy Land from the indigenous population. The European Israelis oppress the natives to this day.


  110. ralph the wonder llama says:

    To be fair, trollspotter, you cited extensive evidence from the book “The Making of America” as evidence of the author’s racist views.

    erronk disputed this contention by citing a completely different book.

    Not a very effective refutation, to be sure — in fact, almost entirely irrelevant. But, while intellectually dishonest and mendacious, it probably could legitimately escape the category of “lie”.


  111. Shayne says:

    mmm mmmm mm barackhusseinobama says:

    Huckabee fat, Limbaugh fat, Beck fat, Ted Kennedy DEAD.

    Flag this spamming troll and the rest of them stinking up the place too.


  112. belaccifer lacca says:

    How’s obamas Afghanistan doing? Peachy?

    You mean the Afghanistan that was ignored by Bush? The one that had actual, factual terrorists in it? The ones Bush let get away?

    That ‘Obama’s’ Afghanistan?


  113. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Purple State says:
    Pat Pomery says:
    It’s called “diplomacy” the cowboy way! Too bad Bush isn’t a real cowboy…..

    Wow. I’m convinced that you are an even better parody troll than WCS.

    Pee Pee does have his moments…


  114. belaccifer lacca says:

    Pat Pomery says:
    Show me where I said that or stfu, ok?

    So if you can be proven wrong about something (like the fact that FOX BROADCASTING and NEWS CORP don’t own and operate WTVT in Tampa) you should STFU?

    Like that, Pat?


  115. shoeless says:

    Patty, you support rich Republican corporatists who hire undocumented workers. Why do you do that?


  116. Fred says:

    Pat Pomery says:
    ANYONE who doesn’t tow the progressive line is a RACIST! Try and keep up….

    YOu don’t tow any line. You just say whatever hateful thing you can think of.

    Doesn’t matter if you said the opposite yesterday, which you did. You are a hypocrite and a liar.

    an opportunist, like a coyote, like wiley! How’s that acme brand working out for ya loser?


  117. Shayne says:

    Pat Pomery says:

    Also known as the greatest forign policy failure in the history of the world.

    How’s obamas Afghanistan doing? Peachy?

    Bush invaded Afghanistan then Iraq. Instead of completing his mission he left a mess for somebody else to clean up. It’s what Republicans do.


  118. dbadass says:

    The oompa loompas better quickly roll him to the juicing room…


  119. belaccifer lacca says:

    Yes, the same Afghanistan that obama is killing innocent people in….

    Wait… you don’t support dropping MOAB’s on people?

    You are very confusing…


  120. aaronk says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  121. Dirty Hippie says:

    Further evidence that eating squirrels makes you squirrely.


  122. shoeless says:

    Shayne says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    Bush invaded Afghanistan then Iraq. Instead of completing his mission he left a mess for somebody else to clean up.

    Patty has no idea what you are talking about.


  123. belaccifer lacca says:

    Do you have any websites or books that you could point me to for further information about European colonialism in the holy land and the resulting conflicts? I would actually like to know more about it.

    Start by watching ‘Lawrence of Arabia’
    That might be a little less taxing than reading a history book…


  124. Shayne says:

    Pat Pomery says:

    That ‘Obama’s’ Afghanistan?

    Yes, the same Afghanistan that obama is killing innocent people in…

    I thought you people loved killing innocent brown people. What else did you guys accomplish in Iraq?


  125. Fred says:

    mmm mmmm mm barackhusseinobama says:

    when you accept responsibility for your failures you can question us. Until then, you are nothing.


  126. glogrrl says:

    And, BTW……..it looks as if Huckabee is competing to be the heir to William Howard Taft.


  127. Shayne says:

    Pat Pomery says:

    YOu don’t tow any line.

    That’s right! I’m a proud Independent! (I) ;)

    What you are is a Liar (L).


  128. shoeless says:

    Pat Pomery says:

    ——————————————————————————–
    That’s right! I’m a proud Independent! (I) ;)

    You are independent from reality.


  129. Trollspotter says:


    ralph the wonder llama
    says:

    To be fair, trollspotter, you cited extensive evidence from the book “The Making of America” as evidence of the author’s racist views.

    erronk disputed this contention by citing a completely different book.

    Not a very effective refutation, to be sure — in fact, almost entirely irrelevant. But, while intellectually dishonest and mendacious, it probably could legitimately escape the category of “lie”.

    Well, at no point did I claim The 5,000 Year Leap was racist. I merely pointed out that the author, Skousen, is in fact a racist.

    In this thread, when I asked aaronk if he recommended a book from a proven racist, he said “no.” And this after I’d already shown him extensive evidence of Skousen’s racism on a previous thread.

    So I’ve been seeing it as an out-an-out lie, but if you’d rather term aaronk as simply being intellectually dishonest or mendacious, I can get with that.


  130. ralph the wonder llama says:

    There’s that annoying little brain-damaged mosquito noise again…

    it’s like “peeeeeeee peeeeeeee….. peeee peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee…

    Inconsequential, repetitive and worth ignoring.


  131. shoeless says:

    Patty, like the WMD, they couldn’t find any terrorists in Iraq.


  132. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Trollspotter, I see what you’re saying. When erronk said he had NOT recommended a book from a proven racist, that was a lie.

    I’m with ya. The citation of a completely different book was still intellectually dishonest, but it was also a cynical attempt to dodge the truth of his lie.


  133. belaccifer lacca says:

    Pat Pomery says

    Quick! Ignore your innaccurate legal analysis and failed foreign policy debacles!

    (Fox sues for the ‘right to lie’ and still waiting for democracy to flourish in Middle East, let alone for those WMD’s to show up…_


  134. belaccifer lacca says:

    they couldn’t find any terrorists in Iraq.

    None?

    Do you get to count those who were created to oppose the invasion?

    Or only those who were in Iraq prior to the invasion?


  135. shoeless says:

    Patty, the only terrorists in Iraq came there because Bush invaded, dumbass.


  136. ElBruce says:

    aaronk says:

    I have very limited knowledge of the area and the conflict, other than to know that it exists and is mostly due to religious differences.

    “I don’t know what I’m talking about, but here’s my ‘opinion’ anyway.”

    .

    Pat Pomery says:

    How’s obamas Afghanistan doing? Peachy?

    Not so great, since we were too busy invading Iraq for the last seven years to actually respond to the people who attacked us on September 11th, 2001. That wasn’t Obama’s idea.

    Yet again, conservatards are blaming us for not fixing the things they broke fast enough for their liking.

    Yet again 9/11, which conservatards used to justify a hundred irrelevant power-grabs, turns out to have meant nothing to them after all.

    .

    Pat Pomery says:

    What else did you guys accomplish in Iraq?

    Hussein? zarqawi? Thousands and thousands of other terrorists dead?

    Wingnut logic: if it’s a brown person with a “made in America” bullet in them, it must have been a terrorist.

    Try hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties, and not one person there was involved in 9/11 in any way, shape or form.


  137. shoeless says:

    belaccifer lacca says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    they couldn’t find any terrorists in Iraq.

    None?

    Do you get to count those who were created to oppose the invasion?

    Or only those who were in Iraq prior to the invasion?

    Patty has no idea what you are talking about.


  138. pete says:

    aaronk,

    Fairly asked and fairly answered. The best reference I can give regarding European colonialism and aggression in the Mideast would probably be to Google “Crusades”, and go from there. Most of my knowledge of the region is via military histories too numerous to begin a list.

    The British and French were pretty busy in the region more recently. And the Wikipedia entry on the founding of Israel seems fairly even handed and conventional. You can always check their sources.

    That should be a good start.


  139. MCMetal says:

    Why does this Southern rube believe he has any say-so into what occurs in or to New York City ?

    The pansy wouldn’t last 2 minutes there……Pipe down , Huckleberry , you religious yo-yo ….


  140. shoeless says:

    Patty, those “militants” were people who did not like a foreign military invading their homes. That does not make them terrorists.


  141. MCMetal says:

    Pat Pomery says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    September 28th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    How many Iraqis have perished as a result of Chimpy’s Idiotic Iraq Adventure , tool ?


  142. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Now we have a brain-damaged mosquito that can’t even be bothered to compose its own buzzing noise.

    It’s got to plagiarize. Anyone shocked?


  143. belaccifer lacca says:

    Pat Pomery says:

    But you didn’t answer, Patty… how many of those ‘insurgents’ would have been ’students’ or ‘doctors’ if there was no Bush invasion?

    Did you watch ‘Red Dawn?’ I know it’s a right wing favorite and I find it pretty dumb and simplistic but it might help explain how ‘kids’ become ‘insurgents’ when there’s an invasion of their country going on… kids who otherwise would not have been terrorists…

    P.S. Still waiting to hear how your assessment of Fox’s and WTVT’s argument that they have a first amendment right to broadcast things they know to be false differs from mine, thanks!


  144. just the bleepn facts says:

    shoeless says:
    Patty, those “militants” were people who did not like a foreign military invading their homes. That does not make them terrorists.

    Doesn’t that make patsy a terrorist by her own definition, since she sees the UN as the foreign power invading her home? LOL! ;)


  145. pete says:

    I might add that the Palestinians are particularly pissed because when virtually all of the other European colonies achieved independence shortly after WW2, the Palestinians got new landlords.


  146. belaccifer lacca says:

    Project much? ;)

    Did you watch ‘Red Dawn?’


  147. dbadass says:

    A wonder if they were freedom fighters…


  148. aaronk says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  149. shoeless says:

    I guess right-wingers like Patty aren’t so tough after all. Patty would just roll over if some foreign military invaded his country.


  150. Trollspotter says:

    ralph the wonder llama says:

    Trollspotter, I see what you’re saying. When erronk said he had NOT recommended a book from a proven racist, that was a lie.

    I’m with ya. The citation of a completely different book was still intellectually dishonest, but it was also a cynical attempt to dodge the truth of his lie.

    Exactly.

    It’s very funny how aaronk still tries to be taken seriously here, after being caught in untruth after untruth. Off the top of my head:

    - He claimed to be respectful by nature, but viciously attacked Senator Ted Kennedy not 24 hours after the man’s death.

    - He claimed he didn’t defend Glenn Beck’s calls for violence against the left when he in fact did.

    - He claimed he didn’t recommend a book from proven racist Skousen when he quite clearly did.

    - He presented “charity is a hoax” crackpot Richard E. Ralston’s ideas for fixing healthcare as ideas he’d accumulated from a variety of sources when actually he’d just plagiarized the entire list as refused to credit Ralston.

    I’m sure there are others I’m forgetting.


  151. MCMetal says:

    Pat Pomery says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    How many Iraqis have perished as a result of Chimpy’s Idiotic Iraq Adventure , tool ?

    The same amount that have “perished” in obamas Afghanistan?
    September 28th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    Obama isn’t the one who originally invaded either Afghanistan or Iraq , you GOP skid mark ; and to even try to intimate that the casualties in Afghanistan since Obama was sworn in is relatively close to the number of Iraqi civilians that have perished since Chimpy the Wonder Monkey’s “noble cause” , is the height of dishonesty and plain old ignorance ……


  152. Chyron HR says:

    Pat Pomery says:

    How many Iraqis have perished as a result of Chimpy’s Idiotic Iraq Adventure , tool ?

    The same amount that have “perished” in obamas Afghanistan?

    Meanwhile, here in the real world:

    Civilian and overall casualties (2009)
    For the first half of 2009, the UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) recorded 1,013 Afghan civilian deaths for the six months from January 1st to June 30.

    Wow, that’s 1% of the civilian casualties from your Messiah Bush’s war in Iraq. try again.


  153. aaronk says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  154. shoeless says:

    McMetal, Patsy has no idea what you are talking about.


  155. RUCerious says:

    Thousands and thousands of other terrorists dead?

    Other terrorists = Iraqi civilians.


  156. MCMetal says:

    shoeless says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    McMetal, Patsy has no idea what you are talking about.
    September 28th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    Least he’s consistent ……He doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about , either….


  157. Trollspotter says:

    aaronk says:

    Ralph, additionally, when that topic came up, the discussion was the book “5000 year leap”

    No, the discussion was “Beck Refuses To Define What He Meant By The Phrase ‘White Culture’: ‘Ummmmm, I Don’t Know’”

    Your first comment was: “Do you have any examples of Beck’s violence?”

    Turns out, yeah, he’s got a pattern of openly fantasizing about murdering people on the left.

    You didn’t like hearing that, though, so you set out to defend him.


  158. aaronk says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  159. shoeless says:

    RUCerious says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    Thousands and thousands of other terrorists dead?

    Other terrorists = Iraqi civilians.

    Patsy hates the brown people in Iraq, so he loves the rich Republican corporatists who ordered their deaths. He also hates the brown people who immigrate to the US, but he worships the rich Republican corporatists who hire them.


  160. chiroptera toasterhead says:

    Pat Pomery says:

    The same amount that have “perished” in obamas Afghanistan?

    September 28th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
    __________

    How many Iraqis have died in Afghanistan, exactly?


  161. pete says:

    Trollspotter,

    I think what we are getting at is; is one a liar if one doesn’t realize one is lying?

    Some of our trolls obviously don’t believe their own crap but others are less easy to pin down. I think that there are some, keeping in mind that we are only talking about a very few individual entities, who are like Winston Smith and actually come to believe that 2+2=5.

    They have been so packed full of misinformation that objective reality becomes subject to their whims. After a lifetime of seeing know-nothings like the Huckster get rewarded for their ability to hold on to a delusion? It’s amazing they don’t try to fly by jumping off a roof.


  162. aaronk says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  163. pete says:

    Of course, if they did somehow mange to fly by jumping off a roof? They would then have to immolate themselves because they were witches so I guess we’ll never know if it works.


  164. Fred says:

    mmm mmmm mm barackhusseinobama says:

    so you refuse to accept responsibility for your failures and still insist that you have something to contribute?

    Why?

    I know you won’t respond because you are yellow.


  165. MCMetal says:

    Skousen was notorious as a strong opponent of civil rights legislation ; anyone claiming otherwise is simply completely full of shit……….


  166. shoeless says:

    Trollspotter says:

    Turns out, yeah, he’s got a pattern of openly fantasizing about murdering people on the left.

    That is right-wing humor. Don’t you get it? Ha ha.


  167. aaronk says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  168. ralph the wonder llama says:

    aaronk says:
    trollspotter, once again you are twisting the truth, while accusing me of disregarding it.

    I didn’t “viciously attack” Kennedy. I showed facts.

    Oh really?

    Let’s allow the rest of the TP community see for itself. (By the way, this comment was posted the very day the Senator lost his battle with cancer.)

    aaronk says:

    or it could be because he never had a real job, lived off his last name, had no ability to represent the average citizen, and watched a woman drown to death. Just a guess

    “Vicious attack”? Or “showing facts”?

    You decide.


  169. Levi the Dungbeetle says:

    w_cleon_skousen,

    You won’t get to see Claude grow up if you go to prison for making death threats against the customers of a Starbucks.


  170. ElBruce says:

    Interesting how to a wingnut, all dead Iraqis are “terrorists,” and all dead Afghanistanians are “innocent civilians.” It’s almost as if they have to check over their shoulders with Karl Rove and Michael Bolton before deciding on what the value of human life is supposed to be.

    I also find it interesting that if the U.S. were invaded, the first people to kick out their front doors and come out shooting are also the first people to vilify Iraqis who would do the same.

    If you’re going to justify any casualties, then there must be a justification to have been in the country in the first place. There was no such justification in Iraq whatsoever. There was definitely a justification for Afghanistan. That’s the only difference that counts.


  171. ElBruce says:

    ralph the wonder llama says:

    “Vicious attack”? Or “showing facts”?

    You decide.

    Let’s see… lie, lie, lie, and lie. No facts there.


  172. MCMetal says:

    Conservatism , especially the religious type that Huckleberry (stupidly) adheres to and believes in and promotes , is extremely dangerous and borders upon a version of Sharia Law ; it must NEVER be allowed…..


  173. shoeless says:

    ElBruce says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    Interesting how to a wingnut, all dead Iraqis are “terrorists,” and all dead Afghanistanians are “innocent civilians.”

    It is also interesting to note that all dead Afghanis were Taliban militants until January 21, 2009 when they suddenly became “innocent civilians”.


  174. Trollspotter says:

    aaronk says:

    I didn’t “viciously attack” Kennedy. I showed facts.

    You went after him as hard as you could right after he’d died. Laura Bush killed a man, but when her time comes, I would never dream of attacking her as viciously and callously as you went after Ted.

    As for the substance of what you said, allow me to repost what ElBruce said when you posted your initial comment.

    ElBruce says:

    1. Senator is pretty a important job, if you care about America. So I assume you don’t.

    2. He’s one of the people that made that name significant. More so that Bobby, if not as much as Jack.

    3. His legislative accomplishments are many. His ability to represent the average citizen, as opposed to the interests of the well-heeled, is legendary

    As for the remainder of what you brought up, I won’t dignify it with a quote.

    But you’re zero-for-three in everything printable.

    Just in case you missed it the first time.

    aaronk says:

    I didn’t defend Beck’s “call for violence” as Beck showed no call for violence.

    Glenn Beck says he wants to beat Charlie Rangel to death with a shovel.

    Glenn Beck threatens to choke Michael Moore to death.

    Glenn Beck “jokes” about poisoning Nancy Pelosi.

    aaronk says:

    I did, and still do recommend The 5000 Year Leap by Skousen, and will once again state that there are no racist comments in that book.

    The fact remains that Skousen has referred to African American children as “pickaninnies” and called white slave owners “the worst victims” of the American slave trade.

    aaronk says:

    I have said repeatedly that I have accumulated tons of documents on healthcare and the fact that those ideas came from one source are irrelevent. I never laid claim to any of those ideas as my own, therefore your claim of plaigerism is false.

    First off, it’s “irrelevant” and “plagiarism.”

    Secondly, I busted you for your intellectual dishonesty about Richard E. Ralston and you conceded. “Fair enough,” you wrote.


  175. pete says:

    I merely use Winston as an example because “1984″ is a well known cultural reference. I don’t think most people would know what I meant if I said “like Jerry Cornelius they come to believe they are Frank”.


  176. Fred says:

    aaronk is a liar. He can’t even keep his lies straight for one day.

    It has been proven over and over.

    I really think he is pathalogical. You know, the kind that would rather lie when the truth would work just as well.


  177. belaccifer lacca says:

    “like Jerry Cornelius they come to believe they are Frank”.

    Whoa… A Michael Moorcock reference? Way to take me back to thirteen, pete!


  178. Trollspotter says:

    aaronk says:

    Pattern? Wow, keep stretching. Earlier you said that it was a “call for violence”. LIAR!

    In front of his impressionable listeners, whom he regularly works into a frightened, angry, frenzy (he calls it “putting them in ‘the fear chanber’), Beck’s fantasized about murdering multiple people on the left on multiple occasions.

    It’s not a pattern?

    You don’t think he’s calling for violence when he fantasizes about poisoning Democrats, or choking them to death, or bludgeoning them to death with a shovel?

    Are you familiar with Jim Adkisson? Have you read his manifesto?


  179. Levi the Dungbeetle says:

    I haven’t read a Moorcock novel in a long time.


  180. Trollspotter says:

    pete says:

    Trollspotter,

    I think what we are getting at is; is one a liar if one doesn’t realize one is lying?

    Some of our trolls obviously don’t believe their own crap but others are less easy to pin down. I think that there are some, keeping in mind that we are only talking about a very few individual entities, who are like Winston Smith and actually come to believe that 2+2=5.

    They have been so packed full of misinformation that objective reality becomes subject to their whims. After a lifetime of seeing know-nothings like the Huckster get rewarded for their ability to hold on to a delusion? It’s amazing they don’t try to fly by jumping off a roof.

    It’s an interesting point. It’s certainly possible that some of our trolls don’t realize how brainwashed they are and, in those cases, objective reality has gone out the window. It’s hard not to have some sympathy for those lost souls. Like the teabaggers who were genuinely shocked to hear that czars have existed in previous administrations, including Republican administrations.

    Even so, I believe that when they lie, even if they don’t realize they’re lying, they have to be called on it.


  181. Chyron HR says:

    shoeless says:

    It is also interesting to note that all dead Afghanis were Taliban militants until January 21, 2009 when they suddenly became “innocent civilians”.

    Oh, that’s no contradiction, they think Taliban militants are innocent civilians. After all, what Republican would dare to contradict the Taliban’s greatest ally, St. Ronnie?


  182. pete says:

    I’m happy to see more Moorcock fans out there. He’s no Edgar Rice Burroughs but spins a good yarn, if you’re into that sort of fantasy.


  183. pete says:

    Trollspotter,

    True. Lies can’t be allowed to stand even if they are innocent or well intentioned. Plus, there’s always that slim chance that some combination of debunking and ridicule will help them learn something, if not change their minds.


  184. Levi the Dungbeetle says:

    Don’t even get me started talking Burroughs. I wonder if any of our trolls read when they were teenagers? I would bet none of them did.


  185. pete says:

    Levi,

    I tend to think that our trolls who actually read haven’t made it through high school yet. Those who show a modicum of ability in English seem to use very young cultural references while those who use older metaphors seem barely literate.


  186. gully foyle says:

    #203 & 205 pete & belaccifer lacca say:

    “…like Jerry Cornelius they come to believe they are Frank”.

    “Whoa… A Michael Moorcock reference? Way to take me back to thirteen, pete!”

    YES! The Airtight Garage of Jerry Cornelius.

    Way OT, but YES! Maybe we should talk Philip K. Dick or Alfred Bester?


  187. barfly says:

    Way OT, but YES! Maybe we should talk Philip K. Dick or Alfred Bester?

    Stanislaw Lem. I loved his kooky constructs.


  188. dixie blood says:

    From the wiki:

    Prior to his political career, Huckabee served as pastor at Beech Street Baptist Church in Texarkana from 1980–1986 and then at Immanuel Baptist Church in Pine Bluff, Arkansas from 1986–1992.

    What a hateful Christianista he is.

    BTW, the Baptist cult is one of the meanest, most arrogant, self righteous Christianista cults in America. They are some of the dumbest too.


  189. belaccifer lacca says:

    I’ve been working on a film adaptation of ‘Tiger! Tiger!’ (I prefer that title, don’t you? Seems more dramatic) for a couple of years, gully.

    But Universal grabbed the rights in 2006… we’ll see if they do anything with it.


  190. pete says:

    gully foyle,

    I must confess my ignorance of Dick (no pun intended) or Bester. But I bet we could confuse some people discussing why “advanced tea substitute” is “almost, but not quite entirely, unlike tea”.


  191. belaccifer lacca says:

    Okay, now we’re getting geeky… Cordwainer Smith? Awesome…


  192. belaccifer lacca says:

    Do you carry a towel, pete?


  193. pete says:

    Yay! The mods showed up and fumigated the place.


  194. gully foyle says:

    #215 barfly says:

    Solaris. I daresay that novel blew my mind much like Dune did when I was sixteen.

    The film version was OK too.


  195. pete says:

    Nope. I don’t carry a towel but I did once try to talk a bartender into naming a new concoction a “pan-galactic gargle blaster”.


  196. pete says:

    I am deeply disappointed that Dune was ever turned into a movie. All the attempts have really failed. Even the hokey Doug McClure Burroughs adaptations did a better job of conveying the mood and settings.


  197. gully foyle says:

    Maybe we should stay on topic (maybe not). Science Fiction is one thing I have as a guilty pleasure, and I admit I’m a nerd.

    Pete says: “almost, but not quite entirely, unlike tea”.

    How about the Happy Vertical People Mover? We have one of those in a hospital near here–it actually talks to the occupants and wishes them a ‘nice day’ when it stops.

    It’s annoying…


  198. belaccifer lacca says:

    Maybe Huck’s ignorance and inhumanity will spur some of our own dormant non-thinkers to action, gully.

    ‘Huck, you filthy. I follow you, I find you, I rot you, filthy!’

    P.S. before any troll comes back and accuses me of ‘advocating violence’ let me assure everyone that I wish no harm on ol’ Huck. Neither does Gully Foyle, in the end- read it.


  199. belaccifer lacca says:

    I am deeply disappointed that Dune was ever turned into a movie. All the attempts have really failed. Even the hokey Doug McClure Burroughs adaptations did a better job of conveying the mood and settings.

    Full circle, sort of.
    The best film version of Dune is still ‘Lawrence of Arabia.’


  200. belaccifer lacca says:

    Also, I love him but David Lynch would never be my choice to adapt any book for the screen… although ‘Dune’ did save us all the indignity of David Lynch’s ‘Empire Strikes Back.’

    Now that would have been bizarre…


  201. gully foyle says:

    The scope of Dune is, in my opinion, too much to be made into a film. Too many people have either read the novel and didn’t understand it, or didn’t like it, or just didn’t read it. Unfortunately, without the background information of the novel, any filmgoer would be totally lost.

    SciFi channel tried to do a Dune/Children of Dune adaptation, which got close, but still failed to convey the awesome scope of the story.

    As for the “Tiger-Tiger” reference, I’d like to see a film of that novel–heck, even animated it would be worth seeing.

    I always wanted to do “Ringworld“, and even talked to Larry Niven about it at DragonCon back in ‘98. He said that many studios have showed interest, but none have been able to put a reasonable treatment together.


  202. pete says:

    Getting back a little closer to the topic; I wonder what the huckster would think of David Brin’s “Uplift” novels?

    For those unfamiliar with his stories they are set in a future universe where it turns out that all the many sentient races, except apparently humans, have been genetically engineered by older races. I think it would melt the Huckster’s mind because it simultaneously hypothesizes that higher intelligence is brought about by genetic manipulation and establishes a first, mortal, race of Progenitors.


  203. pete says:

    Technically, Dune could be done. A good looking Dune isn’t the problem. The problem is that most of the narrative is the thoughts of the characters rather than words or actions. It would actually probably translate better to the stage where a character can just deliver a soliloquy without it looking weird.


  204. Levi the Dungbeetle says:

    I think Dune could be done with each character narrating his or her own thoughts while the action is frozen or slowed greatly. It’s probably the only way you could do it on film.


  205. pete says:

    To an old purist like me, classic sci-fi/fantasy novels are terribly problematic. Jackson did a phenomenal job with Lord of the Rings but his results aren’t typical.

    Screen sci-fi seems to work better with original scripts, outright retelling, short stories, comic books, or perhaps just a character from previous works.

    Oddly, the author’s ability to convey dramatic imagery works against movies. When one has imagined a scene from a novel the chances aren’t good that a director will be able to shoot a scene that matches one’s image.


  206. belaccifer lacca says:

    Levi the Dungbeetle says:

    That was essentially Lynch’s approach… he was just too weird for people.


  207. belaccifer lacca says:

    Agreed, pete.
    Blade Runner is still (in my opinion) the best adaptation of Dick (A Scanner Darkly is okay but not great)… and follows the book almost not at all…


  208. pete says:

    Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep is the only Dick novel I’ve read. Fortunately I read it after I saw the movie so I was able to enjoy both of them.


  209. gully foyle says:

    A Scanner Darkly is incredibly dense with internal dialogue, point of view, and the entire sex/drug thing–way too much for an audience not familiar with PKD.

    I can also imagine that the people who do film ratings would go right off their collective nuts if a real adaptation of Scanner was put on film. AIEEEEE–multiple ‘X’ with a bullet!

    Agreed–Blade Runner was the best adaptation of a PKD novel.


  210. pete says:

    Lynch’s Dune almost got it right. He even did a fair job with all the internal thoughts. But then he pissed it away by replacing the skill and fury that drove the Fremen with his stupid, sound-blasting, magic weapon. I could have even forgiven the magic rain but I was still in shock over the Empire being brought down by amplified grunts.


  211. belaccifer lacca says:

    I could have even forgiven the magic rain but I was still in shock over the Empire being brought down by amplified grunts.

    The problem is how to visually show the stunning superiority of the Fremen, and how shocking that is to the Sardaukar… The Matrix came close to achieving that with the sped up kung-fu… but close in desert knife fighting would be even more exciting, IMHO…


  212. pete says:

    Movies have always found ways to convey a stunning superiority in arms. Heck! He already had the worms, the storm, and the atomics. Almost anything would have seemed less ridiculous. He could have even simply had the Sardaukar panic and break as soon as the shields failed. Sigh… We’ll never know.


  213. mary lacewing says:

    Can I just say thank you to the TP ‘nerds’?

    Philip K. Dick? Alfred Bester? Stanislaw Lem! These are some of my favorite authors of all time. You guys rock for bringing them up!

    Anyone read “Dhalgren”? Samuel Delaney.

    I also love William Gibson.

    You guys just made my day!


  214. mary lacewing says:

    And Bruce Sterling.


  215. belaccifer lacca says:

    I love William Gibson…

    Neuromnacer is being developed right now for 2011 release… we will see.


  216. Levi the Dungbeetle says:

    If any of the trolls jump in to this little literary tangent, make sure to mention their favorite authors, Siegfried Engelmann and Elaine C. Bruner.

    I realize most Progressives won’t recognize these giants of Conservative literature, but they co-wrote, “My Pet Goat”. I just don’t want any Republicans to feel left out of the conversation.


  217. mary lacewing says:

    I just did a little research on Neuromancer as a movie and, well, let’s just say that I’m not going to hold my breath!

    There sure aren’t enough good sci-fi movies out there that’s for sure.


  218. mary lacewing says:

    Levi the Dungbeetle – I’m pretty sure that the trolls don’t read.

    Oh sure, they pretend to read The Constitution (their new Bible where they go to try to find things Obama’s doing that they can claim is un-American), but really they just carry it around for show.


  219. belaccifer lacca says:

    There sure aren’t enough good sci-fi movies out there that’s for sure.

    Yeah, the cast and director don’t thrill me in the least… but I’d really rather see a ‘Mona Lisa Overdrive’ movie anyway and this is a foot in the door.


  220. belaccifer lacca says:

    Scratch that- I meant ‘Count Zero’
    Although, MLO movie would be fun too…


  221. pete says:

    I actually prefer bad sci-fi movies. The epics miss so often that sometimes I think it’s better to just go the route of alien-blasting action or, as I said earlier, non-canonical stories in a particular universe.

    To return to Dune as an example, I’ve always thought a really good Dune movie could be done about the struggle to master the sandworms. There’s lots of stuff that would make great scenes that would benefit from having not been specifically covered in much depth. Alternately, a story of Stilgar’s early life, maybe from his first sand-ride(?), would have a lot of fresh ground to cover.

    NOTE: I’m not in the movie business so you can steal my ideas. LOL!


  222. mary lacewing says:

    pete says:

    Alternately, a story of Stilgar’s early life, maybe from his first sand-ride(?), would have a lot of fresh ground to cover.

    Don’t you mean, “would have a lot of fresh sand to cover”? haha

    Hey, it’s been a rough day…


  223. just the bleepn facts says:

    Wow, I think Huckabee might have swallowed Ron Paul! I guess he missed that part of the bible that says Gluttony is a sin? ;)

    Zealots like Huckabee are the same extremists that support evil organizations like Blackwater with murdering management and murdering behavior, and are pissed off by someone like Acorn just because they get out the vote to minorities! What a bunch of racist facist nazis!


  224. freedomin2010 says:

    I find it odd that the only comments that make any sense on this page are the ones marked: “This comment has been voted down. Click to read.”


  225. just the bleepn facts says:

    freedomin2010 says:
    I find it odd that the only comments that make any sense on this page are the ones marked: “This comment has been voted down. Click to read.”

    I find it predictable, that an idiot would post this.


  226. ElBruce says:

    Huckabee is clearly comparing the U.N. to ACORN because it tries to help the poor, reduce violence and promote democracy.

    Apparently, he is against these things.


  227. evangenital says:

    Huckabee is getting to be a major fat-a$$ again.

    What happened to all that self-discipline stuff?

    Does Jesus want his most ardent followers to be morbidly obese?


  228. 0linda says:

    I highly suspect that one person started out blitzing this blog under many different names. Really! I’ve never seen a blog with so many comments in a row that use perfect or almost perfect advanced grammar, lack spelling errors, and have an almost identical sense of humor with the same style of word play. Is the author of the above article padding his fan base with his own retort to Huckabee’s standing ovation or is someone obsessively trolling “Sybil style” for him?


  229. just the facts says:

    Gotta love reading the hate filled posts spewing from those on the left who think of themselves as “enlightened”. Talk about hate speech, nothing better than the ignorant, error filled posts here. Always good for a laugh. Keep it the good entertainment.



  230. pete says:

    Has everyone seen the Huckster’s favorite website for kids? I think that this shocking indoctrination might be where our lil’ trolls get their talking points.

    BTW. That strange pattern you see, stupid troll, is caused by the educated use of English instead of the babbling mish-mash that spews from the Reichwhiners.

    http://conservativekids.net/liberalism.html


  231. LibertyLover says:

    Olinda —

    Project much?


  232. ElBruce says:

    0linda says:

    I highly suspect that one person started out blitzing this blog under many different names. Really! I’ve never seen a blog with so many comments in a row that use perfect or almost perfect advanced grammar, lack spelling errors, and have an almost identical sense of humor with the same style of word play.

    This what happens when a wingnut accidentally wanders into a forum full of smart people. I bet it’s like seeing a rainbow for the first time; your skepticism is understandable.

    .

    0linda says:

    Is the author of the above article padding his fan base with his own retort to Huckabee’s standing ovation or is someone obsessively trolling “Sybil style” for him?

    Nobody who works for TP would get any advantage whatsoever by increasing the comment count to their post. It’s not like it makes Google rank it higher or anything. This is just what it looks like when a lot of people who can actually string three or more words together into something that makes sense inhabit a forum.

    Honestly, your reaction is just plain hilarious, and completely reinforces my negative stereotypes regarding the intelligence-level of right-wingers.

    .

    just the facts says:

    Gotta love reading the hate filled posts spewing from those on the left who think of themselves as “enlightened”.

    We’re justifiably angry at the right wing agenda to intentionally destroy everything that America stands for. Along with your complete ineptitude in the areas of math, economics, law, history and science, you still like to imagine that your ignorant rantings bear equal weight to educated opinions.

    If you had your way, we’d be a third-world hellhole already, and you wonder why we hate you? I assure you, our hatred is perfectly rational.

    .

    just the facts says:

    Talk about hate speech…

    OK. You don’t know what the term means, for starters.

    .

    Mams says:

    http://www.unisevil.com Educate your self

    That’s not education, that’s a slanted conspiracy-theory blog.

    There is a difference.



  233. Linus says:

    Huckabee sure loves him some soundbites (whether or not thay make sense or have any basis in fact). From the looks of his increasing girth, soundbites aren’t the only “bites” he’s been lovin’ a bit too much lately. He needs to give his book, “Quit Digging Your Grave with a Knife and Fork,” a quick re-read?! Naw, on second thought, let the man keep dig his political grave with the noxious soundbites and with whatever other “bites” he’s been shoveling into his mouth these days.


  234. Parlezvous says:

    I find it difficult to believe that Ol’ Huck is a Christian minister while wishing for the destruction of anything. He must know a different Christ from the one depicted in the Bible who commanded us to love our neighbors and our enemies while looking after the poor and down trodden, and all the while turning the other cheek. Poor Ol’ Huck is in for quite a surprise.


  235. defendwesterncivilization says:

    the un a useless waste of tax payer money who lets crazed muslims control the human rights commission and give voice to such evils as holocaust denial and sharia law. today the un is nothing but a club for dictators and terrorist who want to finish hitlers mission of killing every Jew and non muslims alive. But Israel will not stand by and let the neo nazi muslims destroy freedom and western civilization. the un lets un peace keepers rape African women and girls but claims to be for human rights. if the un jack booted thugs think they will come and tell Americans what we can say you should know that the king of england tried to force his will on the Americans but failed. The American Minute Men/militia will defeat the fascist dictator loving liberals who run the un that you should Listen and learn what happens when they try to force their Fascist Jihadist plans on America


  236. EugeneDebs says:

    DefenderofSTUPIDITY

    OK we get it. You are a bigot AND a moron. Typical rightwing daily double. Good luck with that


  237. karadagli61 says:

    Thank you for your sharing.!



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