Right-Wing Conference Tells Activists To Get Their Guns Ready For ‘Bloody Battle’ With Obama The Nazi
Right-Wing Conference Tells Activists To Get Their Guns Ready For ‘Bloody Battle’ With Obama The Nazi
At the How To Take Back America Conference last weekend, conservative speaker Kitty Werthmann led a workshop called “How to recognize living under Nazis & Communists.” Announcing the panel in a column preceding the conference, talk show host Janet Porter gushed how Werthmann’s description of Austria in the 1930s is a “mirror to America” today — noting “They had Joseph Goebbels; we have Mark Lloyd, the diversity czar.” The room was packed over capacity to hear Werthmann, who grew up as a Christian in Austria and serves as Phyllis Schlafly’s Eagle Forum South Dakota President.
During her session, Werthmann went through a litany of examples of how President Obama is like Adolf Hitler. She noted that Hitler, who acted “like an American politician,” was “elected in a 100% Christian nation.” Although she failed to once mention Antisemitism or militarism, Werthmann explained how universal healthcare, an Equal Rights Amendment, and increased taxes were telltale signs of Nazism. Werthmann also warned the audience:
If we had our guns, we would have fought a bloody battle. So, keep your guns, and buy more guns, and buy ammunition. [...] Take back America. Don’t let them take the country into Socialism. And I refer again, Hitler’s party was National Socialism. [...] And that’s what we are having here right now, which is bordering on Marxism.
Watch it:
Werthmann noted that her Nazism speech is gaining popularity. She not only has delivered it to several tea parties, but has been asked by “a group of bankers” to address them this month.
Before the event, ThinkProgress asked Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), one of several Republican members of Congress also speaking at the conference, to autograph Werthmann’s DVD about National Socialism. She happily obliged:
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Does this mean that Obama is a communist?
Or is Obama a Nazi?
Maybe he’s a Nazi Communist?
Perhaps Obama is a Communist Nazi?
The stoopid, it burns.
September 28th, 2009 at 4:53 pmThanks, TP — it’s now more clear than ever that ultraright-wing extremism in the USA has Michele Bachmann’s name written all over it…
September 28th, 2009 at 4:53 pmProof ,once again, you just can’t fix stupid.
September 28th, 2009 at 4:54 pmtony and lido
I hear Hitler wore pants as well! You know who else wears pants…?
Barack Obama!!!
September 28th, 2009 at 4:55 pmEven Hitler would be amused that these idiots are comparing a man with an African father to him.
September 28th, 2009 at 4:55 pmWho are these Damned Bankers? We need to know.
September 28th, 2009 at 4:56 pmSo, keep your guns, and buy more guns, and buy ammunition. [...] Take back America.
So they continue with their implied violence against America and it’s duly elected by the Majority President…
…I think that maybe the Secret Service should pay these scum bags a visit.
September 28th, 2009 at 4:56 pmDoes Ms. Werthmann understand that Nazis and communists were bitter enemies? That Hitler persecuted communists right alongside Jews and gays?
Can someone explain it to her?
September 28th, 2009 at 4:57 pmThese zealots are destroying this country. They are not harmless and they are not amusing. They are dangerous threatening the very nature of this country.
September 28th, 2009 at 4:58 pmAdd all of them to the list of right wing terrorists that we must monitor and at some point arrest.
September 28th, 2009 at 4:58 pm“They had Joseph Goebbels; we have Mark Lloyd, the diversity czar.”
“They had the SS; we have Pokemon!”
“They had concentration camps; we have yogurt that you eat from a tube!”
“They had a leader who tried to conquer the world; we have a leader that we claim goes on ‘Apology Tours’!”
“So for these reasons and more, you can see that Obama’s America is exactly like Nazi Germany!”
September 28th, 2009 at 4:59 pmNote to the right-wing lunatics:
‘Libs’ like guns too.
:)
And explosives.
We’re anarchists, remember???
September 28th, 2009 at 4:59 pm“A 100% Christian nation” elected Hitler, a nazi. Therefore, we should ban “100% Christians” from voting. No more Nazi politicians elected. Problem solved.
September 28th, 2009 at 4:59 pmI don’t know why progressives didn’t think of arming ourselves when Bush was anointed President without a majority by the radical right wing Supreme Court. Why didn’t we march on Florida and demand that the recount actually take place. If there is a side that needs more guns it’s ours.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:00 pmralph the wonder llama says:
Can someone explain it to her?
September 28th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Well, someone could explain it to her, but she’d turn around and call them a Commie Nazi.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:01 pmWTF? This old broad is from Austria and she’s wandering around talking about Hitler being elected? Not in Austria he wasn’t. Austria was seized by Germany in the Anschluss, the annexation of Austria into Greater Germany, in 1938. The Anschluss was a military invasion and coup d’etat by any other name.
And as for Communism, Austria was jointly occupied by the USA and the Soviets after the war. They weren’t exactly under the communist heel. Pack of ostReich whiners.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:01 pmTime to arrest this woman, she appears to be inciting a riot.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:01 pmhow can anybody take a someone named “Kitty” seriously?
September 28th, 2009 at 5:02 pmnever mind she’s nothing more than a 100 lbs of shit stuffed in a 50lb sack.
PatrioticLiberalChristian says:
September 28th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Excellent point, PLC.
Too bad about those “christians” who don’t know the first thing about being Christian.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:03 pmDoonesbury nailed it this past Sunday.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:03 pmDuring her session, Werthmann went through a litany of examples of how President Obama is like Adolf Hitler.
– - Ugh, she’s enough to make you into a Holocaust denier.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:04 pmIt’s amazing that a 100% Christian nation found 6 million Jews to kill. Were they all imports?
September 28th, 2009 at 5:05 pmSeriously, it’s time to arrest these creeps for encouraging people to kill the President. The fact that their followers are stupid, ignorant, racist sheep just makes it all more frightening.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:06 pmShe noted that Hitler, who acted “like an American politician,” was “elected in a 100% Christian nation.”
“A 100% Christian nation”? Then where did all those Jews come from?
Anyway, we’re not even close to a “100% Christian nation”. We’re only about 76% Christian.
So nothing to worry about.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:07 pmLividLib says:
how can anybody take a someone named “Kitty” seriously?
Kitty Dukakis, Kitty Kelly and Kitty Carlisle would like to have a word with you…
But seriously, it’s not her fault she has that name, it’s her parents’ fault. Her ideas, on the other hand, are 100% hers.
/And let’s not even mention Kitty Pryde.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:07 pmDammit, Shayne!
I owe you a coke.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:07 pmHa ha the jokes on them there is no ammo for them to buy. They might as well stock up on hammers and baseball bats.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:07 pmFriggin idiots.
“A 100% Christian nation” elected Hitler, a nazi. Therefore, we should ban “100% Christians” from voting. No more Nazi politicians elected. Problem solved.
– - Not be a killjoy but…Hitler became Führer in 1934: he’d been Chancellor of Germany since 1933. Very technically, Hitler was never actually elected, but he did take power legally under the laws of the then-Weimar Republic, which he almost immediately abolished. Until Hitler was appointed Chancellor, the Nazis never held an actual majority in the government and the parliament.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:09 pmit’s all fun and games until a nutjob takes it too far.
it’s already happening.
anybody want to be a census worker?
September 28th, 2009 at 5:10 pmThis is just Nasi RegipizaN projestion – perfect mirror image like in a story book. A child can see just exactly who is acting like Nazis. hhehehh, how sick.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:11 pmLook at that lady – the new face of evil.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:12 pmWhere were these morons when the Bush administration was bypassing the courts, ordering illegal wiretaps, torturing prisoners, and suspending habeas corpus?
Oh yeah, agreeing with all that.
These mouthbreathers couldn’t recognize a fascist state if their lives depended on it…
September 28th, 2009 at 5:12 pmHow do we combat this pseudo-logic and hyperbolic emotionalism? The only thing I think has worked is ridicule, as with the Tina Fey imitation of Sarah Palin.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:13 pmhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/27/adolf-hitler-suicide-skull-fragment
In a related development, Hitler suicide faked?
September 28th, 2009 at 5:13 pmWingnuts to your computers!
The way she talks, it makes you wonder which side she was on back then.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:13 pmI agree with #17 and #23. Aren’t there laws against this type of violent incitement speech.
And #5, Hitler was a jew and anti-semitic so there’d be no surprise if he was half black and racist.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:14 pmI hope the secret service is watching these crazy people very carefully!!!
September 28th, 2009 at 5:15 pm33 PatrioticLiberalChristian says: </em
Pray the populace is smarter than your average RepiglizaN fascist?
September 28th, 2009 at 5:15 pmHitler’s skull now resides in President Obama!!
Oh noes!!!!!
September 28th, 2009 at 5:16 pmthis woman is a walking billboard for birth control. republicans like her must stop breeding.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:18 pm“They had Joseph Goebbels; we have Mark Lloyd, the diversity czar.”
So, Goebbels strove for diversity? WTF?
And wouldn’t an apples-to-apples comparison be to the chairman of the FCC?
Seriously, this woman has no bloody clue what she is talking about. You are shocked, I know.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:18 pmYeah, they can’t decide if he’s a fascist or a socialist. 99.999% of these republicon fools have no idea that the two ideologies are polar opposites. These idiots have no idea what they’re talking about and they’re damn proud.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:19 pmWell by crazy batcrap bacmann signing that CD one would think she backs this nut job up with ever thing she saids.
so wonder if kitty will sign batcrazys CD for census killing.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:19 pmAs I recall my history Hitler rose to power from a discredited minority power that flooded the airwaves with inflammatory rhetoric about how the minorities had stolen their country. And how Good Chermans should fight back, take to the streets with guns to save da homeland.
Sort of like the crap we are hearing today. Durned libruls.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:21 pmIt is truly astonishing how functionally ignorant these people are.
Nazism bordering on Marxism???? This is beyond stupid.
What is truly TERRIFYING is the pace at which this ignorance is bordering on full-blown violence – and how can we stop it?????
September 28th, 2009 at 5:21 pmI’m so sick of these people. Here’s my dose of lunacy. I hope that each and every one of them and their family member die some horrible death. Or maybe get swine flu and die. Or maybe get caught up in some cross fire and are killed. Or maybe get cancer and die. Or maybe get into a care accident and die. Or, I wish we did have death panels that would kill all Republicans. Do I sound crazy? Good becaus this is how they sound to me. Just ingornat, hateful, stupid Republican losers! YOU’RE NEVER GOING TO WIN BACK THE WHITEHOUSE! Not enough of you inbreds to beat us!
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Right-Wing Conference Tells Activists To Get Their Guns Ready For ‘Bloody Battle’ With Obama The Nazi
When do they expect Obama will be joining the GOP? ;)
September 28th, 2009 at 5:23 pmSTORM says:
Why is the speech taken out of context? Why is it chopped up and spliced? If you were concerned with truth you would have nothing to hide.
Project much, Racist Child? ;)
September 28th, 2009 at 5:23 pmThanks Ralph for the Doonesbury. Here’s one from Tom Tomorrow.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:23 pmHitler: Christian
Werthmann: Christian
Hitler: Austrian
Werthmann: Austrian
Hitler: Thought blacks were inferior and undeserving
Werthman: Thinks a black president is inferior and undeserving
Hitler: Made speeches
Werthmann: Makes speeches
Hitler: Talked about military might
Werthman: Talks about military might
Hitler: Said that the Sudetenland Austria and Poland needed to be ‘taken back’ by Germany
Werthmann” Talks about taking back America
Damn, I was going to make some very clever point but now I;ve lost my train of thought. Can anyone help me out?
September 28th, 2009 at 5:25 pmStorm complaining about context? That’s funny. Who says rightwingers can’t do comedy?
September 28th, 2009 at 5:25 pmEnough… This is past the line on demonstrations, free speech and freedom to assemble…this is CRIMINAL INCITEMENT. When does this stop??
People like Werthmann, Phyllis Schlafly, Bachmann and countless others have every intent to start a violent insurrection and they won’t be appeased until numerous folks are in fact executed. This is NOT ACCEPTABLE behavior in the US today or anywhere around the world!!
September 28th, 2009 at 5:26 pmSave America-
Mock a Wingnut!!
September 28th, 2009 at 5:27 pmHow fringe can you get before disappearing altogether? Are people actually buying this load or are playing along for effect?
September 28th, 2009 at 5:28 pm5th, Werthmann is Hitler in drag?
September 28th, 2009 at 5:29 pmSometimes I get a bit worried with all this talk of guns and overthrowing the government. But then I remember how stupid most of those people are (they actually believe that nonsense about Obama taking their guns away?!) and realize that they’d probably end up just shooting themselves anyways.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:29 pmWerthmann explained how universal healthcare, an Equal Rights Amendment, and increased taxes were telltale signs of Nazism.
Right, because granting equal rights for everybody -regardless of gender, skin color, or religion- is very the hallmark of Nazism.
And a plan to ensure the physical well-being of all Americans, regardless of ethnicity? Nazi!
It’s a small wonder this woman doesn’t forget to breathe…
September 28th, 2009 at 5:29 pmHitler’s own words:
Sound familiar? Yep! He was truly a right wing fascist conservative no different than Werthmann, Malkin, and the rest of the Pigs!
September 28th, 2009 at 5:29 pmThese right-wing-nuts think they’re going to take my country from me? Since when does their view of what’s correct for this country trump the rest of us? I have this to say to them:
I’ll give you my country when you take it from my cold dead hands.
Or maybe I should say this to these crazies (it’s shorter and maybe easier for them to understand):
Bring it on.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:31 pmThe Xian reichwing ~ the real enemy. Violent, extreme and loaded with stupid.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:31 pmOkay, okay… rightwingers can’t do comedy intentionally.
Better?
September 28th, 2009 at 5:32 pmWhy is the speech taken out of context? Why is it chopped up and spliced? If you were concerned with truth you would have nothing to hide.
Yes, I’m sure they removed all the totally reasonable parts of her argument that Obama is just like Hitler…
September 28th, 2009 at 5:32 pm@ 35. Hoodathunk says: The way she talks, it makes you wonder which side she was on back then. September 28th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
She’s probably been on all sides of it. Pro-Nazi before things started going sour in ‘43-’45, maybe just a pro after the Soviets raped their way through Vienna in ‘45, pro-anything before she got out of the country, assuming that was during the Occupation, before Austria regained it’s sovereignty.
When she got to the States, she was just an anti-Communist and has gone along with whatever the righty talking point of the day is. The righties used to recognize the difference between the Nazis-Fascists-Falangists and the Communists, but they were never happy about it. The least nasty thing they’d ever say about the guys from the Abraham Lincoln Brigade of the Spanish Civil War was that they were “premature anti-Fascists”. Now they’ve managed to meld the Nazis-Fascists-Falangists together with the Communists, so they can’t call an old Nazi child a “premature anti-Communist” and she’s reduced to anecdotes about how to tell one from t’other.
If you think that’s confused, she is too and so is everyone else that comes in contact with her. Probably takes a good day or two with semi-canonical history texts before you can get your head around the problem again with some sort of coherency.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:32 pmJUST PROVES THERE IS NO GOD! Religion is for suckers!
September 28th, 2009 at 5:33 pmJebus. Somebody get the friggin butterfly net and the strait jacket…!
September 28th, 2009 at 5:34 pmI hate to tell the wingers this but Jesus is from the Middle East. Was Jesus a terrorist? Are their heads exploding yet?
September 28th, 2009 at 5:35 pmwell i was afraid of these nut jobs>>> but i do not think they could organize a clustfu_k together hell it would drive them crazy on who would be the center person in the circle jerk.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:36 pmSo why is this lady not in Prison awaiting sentencing for TREASON??????
September 28th, 2009 at 5:36 pmralph the wonder llama says
September 28th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
I hear Hitler wore pants as well! You know who else wears pants…?
Barack Obama!!!
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I bet they both stood up to pee, too.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:37 pmWTF is this woman talking about, “the first thing we had was equal rights for women”?
If there is one thing the Nazi regime opposed was precisely feminism -they thought it was part of the Jewish/Communist conspiracy to bring down Germany.
The Nazi propaganda made emphasis in the fact that women needed to be subservient to their husbands, stay home, and have kids. No “equal rights” there at all.
Cursory reading of any history book would reveal that much.
But hey, these are facts with their well-known liberal bias…
September 28th, 2009 at 5:38 pm” So, keep your guns, and buy more guns, and buy ammunition”
___ And don’t forget the cigarettes, scratch tickets, and canned goods. Freakin’ white trash…
September 28th, 2009 at 5:38 pm@ 41. Gregor Samsa says: “They had Joseph Goebbels; we have Mark Lloyd, the diversity czar.” So, Goebbels strove for diversity? WTF? And wouldn’t an apples-to-apples comparison be to the chairman of the FCC? Seriously, this woman has no bloody clue what she is talking about. You are shocked, I know. September 28th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Uh, no. As spokes-dude for our President, Robert Gibbs would be the closest thing to a Goebbls we have, but he needs to be given control of not just the FCC, but PBS, NPR, all the networks and cable channels, most of the newspapers, whatever passes for the old State Department US Information Agency, Voice of America, Radio Free Where-ever, all in a brand new cabinet level Department (Ministry) of Propaganda. I’m sure I’ve left something out, apart from the blogosphere, etc, but you get the idea.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:39 pmIs this wing-nut lady Pat Pomery’s mother?
September 28th, 2009 at 5:39 pmI must have missed the Nazi Equal Rights Amendment. When did that get passed?
September 28th, 2009 at 5:39 pmI would love to echo the obvious here and berate this troglodyte Werthmann as having an IQ lower than a paper cup but that would be insulting to paper cups.
Seriously. This isn’t funny. The Christian-rights embrace of these so called “experts” is driving the media via the likes of other sociopaths like Beck and Fox and they are having an impact. A terrible one.
You can’t shame them. They have no shame. You can’t use actual history or facts with them. They’ve lived a lifetime denying facts as an act of “Faith”. You can’t have a discussion with them about the issues because they are now a “movement” instead of a political party and they are removing themselves from the democratic processes and damning those same processes as they go.
To quote John Fogerty, “There’s a Bad Moon On The Rise”.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:39 pmShe noted that Hitler, who acted “like an American politician,” was “elected in a 100% Christian nation.”
As were Dubya, Clinton, GHW, Sir Ronnie Raygun, etc.
Are these wingers really this stoopid?!?!? Or do they just hope the audience is?
Cheers,
September 28th, 2009 at 5:41 pmDNFP says:
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Note to the right-wing lunatics:
‘Libs’ like guns too.
:)
And explosives.
We’re anarchists, remember???
September 28th, 2009 at 5:42 pmThis needs to said over and over. Not just the nut case neo-cons own guns and know how to use them.
mmmmm, mock wingnut. Mocking has a long tradition of taking something unpalatable, coating or mixing it with things slightly more palatable and then serving it expecting everyone to believe it tastes like something palatable.
And then you throw it in the trash.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:42 pmDomestic Terrorism is fueled each and everyday on right wing radio and every Sunday in America’s Christian churches. The End.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:43 pmFind out what Werthmann really did during the War. Those who yell that they were anti-Nazi the loudest were usually the strongest supporters.
Tell them all to get a life. You can’t keep living off ridiculous comparisons if you are serious political movement. Whose grandfather financed Hitler: Obama’s or Bush’s. (Answer: Bush’s) Who is a 100% Aryan, Obama or Bush?
Enough said…
September 28th, 2009 at 5:43 pmRab says:
Is this wing-nut lady Pat Pomery’s mother?
Yes, and his wife. And sister.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:43 pmHoodathunk says: 5th, Werthmann is Hitler in drag?
Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS
http://silencedmajority.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/09/13/ilsashe_wolfssposter_2.jpg
September 28th, 2009 at 5:44 pmRight wingers forget that many Vietnam veterans are today’s liberals and these liberals have guns.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:45 pmVirtual Pebble says:
Uh, no. As spokes-dude for our President, Robert Gibbs would be the closest thing to a Goebbls we have, but he needs to be given control of not just the FCC[...]
Making Werthmann’s claim even more ludicrous…
And think some people actually pay to listen to her babble.
*sigh*
September 28th, 2009 at 5:45 pmIn related news, the audience was full of bobble-heads.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:45 pmzxbe says:
These right-wing-nuts think they’re going to take my country from me? Since when does their view of what’s correct for this country trump the rest of us? I have this to say to them:
I’ll give you my country when you take it from my cold dead hands.
Or maybe I should say this to these crazies (it’s shorter and maybe easier for them to understand):
Bring it on.
They seem to think that liberals are still ‘can’t we all just get along?’ types.
We’re still that too, but after 8 years of Cheney/Bush I don’t think we’re the kind of liberals they think we are (latte-drinking, prius-driving etc). In fact I’m pretty sure they’d be very, very surprised to find out how not like their papa’s liberals we are.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:45 pmThese kooky right wingers calling for guns can barely manage to wipe their own a$$es. There’s a fair chance they will shoot themselves.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:47 pmThe SS, you mean…gasp…the Secret Service? OMG, run for the hills, he has his own SS!
September 28th, 2009 at 5:47 pmGeorge Bush invaded a country illegally. So did Adolph Hitler.
George Bush used religion to brainwash a portion of the nation into believing everything he said. So did Adolph Hitler.
George Bush loved touching bald men’s heads. Adolph Hitler had syphilis and some believed him to be gay!
George Bush believed love of nation meant you loved the president right or wrong. So did Adolph Hitler!
George Bush’s Brownshirts did love him no matter what he did. So did Hitler’s Nazis!
George Bush got away with war crimes. So did Adolph Hitler who committed suicide before he could be tried!
The list goes on and on…
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Uncle Ho says:
Does this mean that Obama is a communist?
Or is Obama a Nazi?
Maybe he’s a Nazi Communist?
Perhaps Obama is a Communist Nazi?
Christian Communist Nazi Czars?
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ralph the wonder llama says:
I hear Hitler wore pants as well! You know who else wears pants…?
Barack Obama!!!
That’s why I’m agin’ em.
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Shayne says:
It’s amazing that a 100% Christian nation found 6 million Jews to kill. Were they all imports?
Actually many of them were, from France, Germany, Hungary, etc…
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STORM says:
Why is the speech taken out of context? Why is it chopped up and spliced?
Do you really think she prefaced with those comments with “It would be really stupid to say…?” Keep hoping.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:51 pm“She noted that Hitler, who acted “like an American politician,” was “elected in a 100% Christian nation.”
1) Christians voted for Hitler. Check!
2) Werthmann didn’t vote for Obama. Check!
3) Werthmann is a Christian. Check!
Ergo either
a) Werthmann is NOT a Christian (and therefore a witch!)
OR
b)Obama is NOT Hitler
Obviously there’s only one way to settle this: Bring out the DUCK!
September 28th, 2009 at 5:52 pmHAHAHHAHAHA.. Who do you think you are fooling?
We’d ask you the very same thing.
Why are you AFRAID of open and honest debate, STORM?
September 28th, 2009 at 5:53 pmOh and USA is not a 100% Christian nation and never has been.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:53 pmHey Storm,
Why so scummy?
September 28th, 2009 at 5:53 pmKayInMaine @#84 ~ heh. and we know how to make homemade fougasse and trip wire systems….
September 28th, 2009 at 5:55 pmSTORM says:
HAHAHHAHAHA.. Who do you think you are fooling?
Ah, the irony! ;)
September 28th, 2009 at 5:56 pmJust because your roof leaks doesn’t mean it’s a storm.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:58 pmmisscoleopteramolly says: I must have missed the Nazi Equal Rights Amendment. When did that get passed?
The answer to that is…Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS
September 28th, 2009 at 5:58 pmThese people are ignorant, stupid, dangerous, scum.
September 28th, 2009 at 6:00 pmeyeswideopen1@69 said,
Because the United States is not a nation of laws. Our laws have been undermined by Republican fascism, and are not being applied to everyone.
America is heading for a very violent time. American fascists are about to start killing anyone they think is liberal in a military coup bid to take over control of the country. If we do not lock these wingnuts up now, we will regret it later.
September 28th, 2009 at 6:00 pmjb says:
Just because your roof leaks doesn’t mean it’s a storm.
could just be one of the minor gods pissing on you…
September 28th, 2009 at 6:00 pmpete says:
These people are ignorant, stupid, dangerous, scum.
September 28th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
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September 28th, 2009 at 6:05 pmIgnorant, stupid scum…absolutely.
Dangerous…..I don’t think so…first of all they are ignorant and stupid and 99% bluster. If they are ignorant and stupid enough to ignite violence, they’ll drop like flies.
According to Glenn Beck’s own definition….he’s a Communist because he works in Rockefeller Center. He uses two national microphones a day to brainwash the uneducated to become a Communist Mormon just like him!
September 28th, 2009 at 6:05 pmHitler won my mobilizing a mass of thugs, kinda like teabaggers, to beat the opposition away from the polls.
September 28th, 2009 at 6:07 pmThere is no sense in trying to mock them. They will simply further the agenda that they are being martyred. Should they decide to actually start some sort of armed insurrection, they are so wrapped up in their *crusade* that they would accept their deaths and that of others as martyrdom.
Any actions by our government would probably inflame them even worse – they’ve already been referring to Obama’s *secret army* and *Gestapo*.
Yet if the government does nothing at this point, then it is encouraging them to go further and further. What a catch 22 this is!
Reportedly, this is a small minority and fringe nutters, but there are plenty of idiots out there who may not be involved yet, but would soon enough jump on the bandwagon for the *excitement* of opposing the President.
I just hope that the Secret Service is very vigilant with our POTUS and keeps him and his family safe.
September 28th, 2009 at 6:08 pmAnd you know what? I have no problem with the lunatic right-wing fringe underestimating people like me. Their stupidity will be their downfall.
September 28th, 2009 at 6:08 pmI know and have read of Communists and Nazi’s and Obama is neither.
It’s all about fear, lies, blatent racism, creating doubt….propaganda straight from the Nazi and Communist playbook. I wonder if the woman is related to Goebels?
My gosh, how far some stoop to undercut an intelligent, competent leader trying to get America, all of America, out of the ditch that we’ve been in for 8 long years. Some want to keep him in the ditch and blame the Dems for every failure, example of corruption, incompetence, etc. that the Repubs have generated in recent times. I’m hoping that most, thinking, educated Americans say “not this time” and keep on moving onward and upward.
Remember…Republicans yell and scream about the incompetence and corruption of government, get in control and prove their own point.
September 28th, 2009 at 6:12 pmGun deaths in Chicago rarely even get mentioned any more. The last time I heard it mentioned 33 people were shot over a holidy weekend in a 12 hour period. Last week though high school kids beat an honor student to death with boards. President Obama is also from the South Side of Chicago. Lots of people who supported him are not exactly averse to violence. I only hope if it’s ever needed that violence isn’t directed inward but aimed at those that created this insanity. Sarah Palin and Michele Bachman would be a good place to start.
September 28th, 2009 at 6:16 pmWait, she’s Austrian? Did Austria ever elect Hitler?
September 28th, 2009 at 6:19 pmMuch the same way the right is persecuting ACORN in the hopes of scaring minorities from the polls.
September 28th, 2009 at 6:19 pmHe who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.
September 28th, 2009 at 6:20 pm–Martin Luther King, Jr.
Did she happen to mention that Bush’s grandfather supported Hitler during WWll while Obama’s grandfather fought Hitler during WWll?
September 28th, 2009 at 6:22 pmI’m going to start community organizing gang bangers to go hunting al Cracker. Anybody know how to hack Storms location?
September 28th, 2009 at 6:23 pmThe right is in a big hurry to get Mexicans, who do many of the crappiest jobs that keep this country running out of the country or let them die with now health care. But this immigrant from Austria who does nothing but spew hateful lies and probably has branches on the same family tree as Hitler gets paid to destroy the country.
September 28th, 2009 at 6:27 pmSo let me get this straight — if we take this dumb@ss at her word — then Obama is a Nazi, meaning that she would have long since had all of her property confiscated and been gassed to death for questioning the governing wisdom of the Fatherland.
If Obama is a Commie — and I’ll assume they mean of the Stalinist type — then she would have long had all her property confiscated and been sent to a Gulag for hard labor until she died for questioning the wisdom of Obama’s centralized government.
Can someone help me here — when did Obama start confiscating property and sending his critics to their death? Oh, he hasn’t. Then to these buffoons I YELL STFU ALREADY.
September 28th, 2009 at 6:40 pmDuring her session, Werthmann went through a litany of examples of how President Obama is like Adolf Hitler. She noted that Hitler, who acted “like an American politician,” was “elected in a 100% Christian nation.”
I guess Jewish Synagogues and Muslim Mosques were a common site in 1930’s Germany , eh you delusional banshee…….?
September 28th, 2009 at 6:42 pm“They had Joseph Goebbels; we have Mark Lloyd, the diversity czar.”…..and everyone knows how much those nazis valued diversity.
September 28th, 2009 at 6:42 pmHad to come back for one last post.
These idjits don’t have the brains that God gave geese.
If Obama really were the tyrant they think he is, these nutjobs would have been put in concentration camps within days of his taking office. The fact that they are still free, walking around, and spewing their venom is proof that Obama is no Hitler or Nazi.
The more these lunatics mouth off, the more I agree with General Phil Sheridan: The only good Republican is the one that’s dead.
September 28th, 2009 at 6:45 pmIf we had our guns, we would have fought a bloody battle. So, keep your guns, and buy more guns, and buy ammunition. [...] Take back America. Don’t let them take the country into Socialism. And I refer again, Hitler’s party was National Socialism. [...] And that’s what we are having here right now, which is bordering on Marxism.
It is so painfully obvious that these right-wingnut morons have NO CLUE what in the hell they’re talking about ; Hitler and his gang may have been tagged/called themselves “National Socialists” , but they were nothing other than totalitarian types , which is an ideology based upon conservatism …….
DUH
September 28th, 2009 at 6:47 pmDoes anyone else see the irony that they are calling Obama a NAZI while talking at “HOW TO TAKE AMERICA BACK” conference? Who’s the fascist now?
September 28th, 2009 at 7:05 pmI am sure we all remember the non-stop, wall-to-wall, 24/7 rumor mill that never stopped accusing Clinton of crimes,
September 28th, 2009 at 7:08 pmincluding murder. But, I don’t remember the rampant hate, advocacy of violence, and personal threats against him as there are against Obama.
I’ve been around a long time and I equate the violence, racism, hatred and personal threats of today with the 1950’s school integration and the l960’s nationwide upheaval. Those were horrible times culturally and socially. I’d hoped I’d never see times like that again.
Somehow Werthman, who is evidently one of conservatism’s experts in these things, has failed to note in any of her readings that the Nazis were absolutely against “womens’ rights.” No Nazi would have supported the Equal Rights Amendment. Maybe Werthman could point to an important female Nazi official.
And, Germany’s national health care system was the first of its kind in the world, instituted by Kaiser Whilhelm, I think, long before anyone ever heard of a Nazi. Somebody should remind Werthman. She must have known this having grown up in Austria. She probably just absentmindedly forgot.
September 28th, 2009 at 7:14 pmDay after day, these depraved ladies and gentlemen are making us all sick in the stomach. That’s our bodies sending a warning signal that what they all are doing and saying is immoral and selfish. We all have an intuitive sense of right and wrong, and we recognise when we see such wrong originating from elected representatives – from the Republicans. This lady is just as despicable as the rest of her lot – the new face of evil.
September 28th, 2009 at 7:15 pmbenji85 says:
Who’s the fascist now?
Now? They’ve always been fascists. Nothing has changed except their angle of rhetoricical attack.
September 28th, 2009 at 7:18 pmI want to know why talk like this is sanctioned by legitimate politicians. Is this not sedition? Insurrection against the government, calling for armed conflict — what will it take to have people like Werthmann arrested?
September 28th, 2009 at 7:18 pmRobot: “Danger! Danger! Danger!”
September 28th, 2009 at 7:21 pmThat’s why these freaks are extremists. The terrorist Right Wingnuts, lead by the Fascist Republican/Conservative Party, Rush Limbaugh, O’Liely, Beck, everyone at Fox ‘Always Lie and Blame the Liberals’ News, etc. are promoting and instigating hate, fear and violence.
These moral, racial, and mental Bigots are turning our once peaceful and civil society into a barbaric wasteland…
The reason the GOP gets away with their insane audacity is that the GOP have brass balls and our Congressional Democrats are wimps. The GOP knows the voters will reward any candidate with the guts to put his words into action. The GOP will protect our Constitution and rights when they feel they must, but our fake Democrats, Never!
Our Congressional Democrats Failed To Impeach Bush and Cheney when they had the best opportunity anyone could want. The blood of over 34,000 US Soldiers killed and maimed because of WMD Lies is on the heads of the Democrats that did nothing to stop the illegal ivasion.
Now, even though Bush and Cheney admitted their obvious crimes of Conspiracy To Torture, which are clear violations of our Federal Anti-Torture Laws, they refuse to prosecute, they fail start a Commission of Inquiry, they fail to honor their oath of office.
Our Democrats also appear to be taking the side of the Health Insurance industry against we voters. This is going to be the last straw.
Our Congressional Democrats should expect a 2010 backlash against them if they fail us, which it appears they are more than willing to do. They think they can ignore us. This will have disastrous consequences for the Democratic Party and We Voters. Our Party will lose the Total Power we gave them simply because they were too cowardly to use it.
Torture Crimes are violations of Federal Law and Must by law be prosecuted.
We and our children and grand children will be paying for the economic damage for decades that the Iraq invasion caused, especially the Five Dollar A Gallon Gasoline that pushed up the price of everything we consume.
It is either time for Justice for Bush and Cheney or payback for the Dems in 2010 and 2012.
Get out in the streets in front of your Congressional Representative’s District Office and raise hell.
KEEP ASKING ALL POLITICIANS AT ALL PUBLIC EVENTS
“WHY DO YOU SUPPORT TORTURE?”
If they aren’t actively calling for enforcement of our Federal Torture Laws, They DO Support Torture and a dual standard of Justice.
SIGN THE PETITION
Demanding prosecution
http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG
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September 28th, 2009 at 7:22 pm128 flex says:
they’re exactly like right-wing-fanatics everywhere else in the world – they just dress and speak like everyone else in the country so we expect them to be like everyone else in the country, but they’re not.
September 28th, 2009 at 7:25 pm130. Ape-Man says:
I agree. It’s plain to see our right wing extremists are the same as the deadly Taliban and the evil Al-Qaeda. We need to expose them as such.
September 28th, 2009 at 7:39 pmThese guys are the same who were up in arms when Obama was “palling around with terrorists.” Now their ready to take up arms (as terrorists).
September 28th, 2009 at 7:44 pmat this point there is no reason to get violent, and to get wound up to that point is not right
September 28th, 2009 at 7:46 pmAppalling is the only word that comes to mind.
September 28th, 2009 at 7:48 pmSo when will someone of the opposition stand up and attempt to take their party back from the kooks, oddballs, and assorted weirdos…
September 28th, 2009 at 7:52 pm135 dbadass says:
Ya, is there anyone like that left in the Republican party – if so i haven’t seen them.
September 28th, 2009 at 7:59 pmsomeone ought to clue this beyotch in to the fact
September 28th, 2009 at 8:03 pma) most austrians were in favor of the annexation of austria
and
b) the NAZIS were an extreme right wing party. sort of like the morons she was speaking to at the cancervative clusterfcuk
Medicare for everyone is the only way to go unless you are a republican. These people can sabre rattle all they want!
September 28th, 2009 at 8:10 pm96% of Jews in Israel think President Obama is Pro-Palestine and Anti- Israel. Israelis claim that Barack Obama is a Jew hater. Some Israeli Jews come right out and say that Barack Obama should be shot.
http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2009/09/200992261458462792.html
Kitty Werthmann is part of that hateful, right wing, Jewish propaganda machine against President Obama.
September 28th, 2009 at 8:37 pmI can understand a fear of fascism; it generally follows economic collapse, and there have been times in the past 2 years that I’ve been worried we’d face an economic collapse. However, there are places to look for fascism and places where it is less likely. When one party says that torture must be used to keep us safe and the other says that we can provide healthcare for all, it takes a special kind of idiot to see danger in the latter and not security in the former.
September 28th, 2009 at 8:44 pmMichele Bachmann needs to be detained and questioned by the Secret Service. I hope all of these loons are being monitored by the DHS.
September 28th, 2009 at 8:46 pm“With……without……..and who’ll deny.. it’s what.. the fightings all about…..”
September 28th, 2009 at 8:54 pm“Treason” is working with a foreign power to undermine and/or attack the nation. What these people are doing is “sedition.”
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delafield says:
96% of Jews in Israel think…
The link you provided does not say what you say it says.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:11 pmShayne says:
These zealots are destroying this country. They are not harmless and they are not amusing. They are dangerous threatening the very nature of this country.
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Exactly. This isn’t something to just dismiss as a typical Republican whack-job. It’s true she is, nut her message is reaching other like-minded people. This is serious. Think Timothy McVeigh.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:14 pmEight years of Bush/Cheney and the wingnuts start looking for for subtle clues.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:17 pmAnd this is the exact reason why the right wing continues to lose credibility and members. They might be gaining more passionate members but that’s it and only it. Talk like that only serves to alienate them further from the rest of America. Most people are trying to move forwards and many of them are going back, not a good motto.
You say batman I saw vawncast
September 28th, 2009 at 9:21 pmSorry, I meant:
When one party says that torture must be used to keep us safe and the other says that we can provide healthcare for all, it takes a special kind of idiot to see danger in the latter and security in the former.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:22 pmWhy are all the dingbats confined to the RePUBICan Party, I mean, Republican Party? I guess ever since Palin became the GOP standard bearer, it has become fashionable for women of low intelligence to join the grand ole party, eh?
September 28th, 2009 at 9:22 pmYes, sedition.
Co-dependant sickos are causing pain and strife in the nation. Hate filled Stepford zombies are very dangerous, even if they are someone’s grand mother like this one. Keep your bloody battles to yourself lady!
September 28th, 2009 at 9:26 pmIt’s time to start bringing criminal charges against these scoundrels.
Any threat of violence against our President should be prosecuted.
During the Bush/Cheney regime, folks were being arrested for wearing anti-Bush
tee shirts to Bush appearances.
What in the hell is going on?
September 28th, 2009 at 9:41 pmTeflon Don:
September 28th, 2009 at 9:53 pmYou’re kidding right?
Teflon heated to high temps is unhealthy to breathe…
September 28th, 2009 at 9:53 pm18 U.S.C. § 2102.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:03 pm#151,
be around, eh?
why don’t you tell us the whole story?
:)
September 28th, 2009 at 10:10 pmHey T. Don,
Why so dumb?
September 28th, 2009 at 10:17 pmKitty Werthmann speaks of violence. Michele Bachmann speaks of violence. We are told of a civil servant hanged in a tree in Kentucky while performing his job (taking the census). What a backdrop for this conference.
I can draw only one conclusion.
The Right Wing has no vision for the American society!
September 28th, 2009 at 10:28 pmThe Right Wing is corrupted, this is not Christianity!
KayInMaine @59
September 28th, 2009 at 10:33 pmGreat find!!!
Check out Sibel Edmonds’ latest interview at The American Conservative magazine. The corruption and treason occurring inside our government boggles my mind.
Today’s MSM, our fourth estate, no longer does investigative journalism, and instead chooses to cater to the viewer’s prurient interests. People are realizing that something is wrong, and they are agreeing with Reichwingers like Kitty Werthmann and Glenn Beck. Today’s right wing Christian leaders are our American Taliban, and they can be compared to the Nazis of yesteryear.
Sen. Bernie Sanders offers one solution to this mess, and I agree with him, get the fcuking money out of politics.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:09 pmTeflon Don is full of repiggie grease.
Go wash yourself, clown.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:11 pmThere are no relevant comparisons between post WWI Germany, Hitler, and the NAZI party to Obama or democrats. If anything, it most closely parallels the conservative far right and it’s policies. Hitler and the Nazi party were ardently anti communist / anti Marxist and garnered public support by claiming only they could halt the spread of communism. Their co-opting the word “socialist” into their party’s name did not make them socialist in any way. (Just as the group “Swift Boat Veterans for Truth” use of the word “truth” does not mean honesty). Hitler and his party were strongly conservative and were supported by Germany’s big business interests. Hitler’s path to the Chancellorship resulted in the demise of the Germany’s democracy. In 1932, the German aristocrats and industrialists first pushed President Hindenburg to seek the resignation of then Chancellor Bruening (who was one of the last politicians to stand against Hitler) after Bruening had proposed land reforms. The industrialists and aristocracy believed Hitler would best serve their business interests. The German industrialists, bankers and business leaders later pressured Hindenburg to appoint Hitler as Chancellor. Hitler promised to be for free enterprise and to quell Communism and the trade union movements. In 1933, Hitler was appointed Chancellor by Hindenburg. Several large industrialists then bankrolled Hitler’s efforts to obtain a majority in the Reichstag, which in turn gave him the votes necessary to pass his Enabling Act that made him dictator. Only the Social Democrats voted against Hitler’s act. At the time Hitler was appointed Chancellor, Germany had only been a democracy for 14 years – based in its post WWI constitution. Hitler had worked to overthrow Germany’s democracy from the outset, first by force, then by political machinations.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:15 pmWhat luck for rulers that men do not think.
Adolf Hitler
September 28th, 2009 at 11:35 pmI use emotion for the many and reserve reason for the few.
Adolf Hitler
September 28th, 2009 at 11:37 pmWoman’s world is her husband, her family, her children and her home. We do not find it right when she presses
into the world of men.
Adolf Hitler
None of these match Obama as much as they do the GOP. Will the real nationalist please stand up.
Rossc
September 28th, 2009 at 11:42 pmBerlin, Germany
Teflon Don says:
I’ve seen some hate posted on the internet, but, this blog tops anything I have ever seen!
Go die in a ditch, conservatard. We never promised to be nice to people who are intentionally trying to destroy America.
Also, you’re lying. There are many much worse sites than this, and you know it. Unless those sites are more to your tastes for other reasons than “hatred.”
September 28th, 2009 at 11:47 pmThis b!tch is a threat to national security. She is calling for wingnut extremists to take action. Why doesnt the secret service take these people seriously? This is way beyond freedom of speach. I remember when you were called a traitor if you questioned anything that bush did. These fcking nuts call our president a nazi and question everything that he does. I pity the people who are against Obamas policies that will actually help them. The good thing is that its starting to turn on the repugs and the wingnuts. These idiots hurt their party more and more everyday but their to fcking stupid to realize it. Good riddance!
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SoldierGurl says:
I would not compare Obama to Hitler…Hitler LOVED Germany and its people Obama is embaressed by America.
Oh “Gurl”, when you’re post-op, or you learn how to spell, come back and lets chat.
You’re the one that’s embarrassed by America that we would democratically elect Obama – aren’t you? That’s a good little Nazi…
SoldierGurl says:
I own 3 guns and I will not allow the goverment or anyone else take them. I have spent two tours in Iraq I have earned the RIGHT to own my guns.
When people propose that, let me know. However, lunatics like you that continue to threaten to kill our president shouldn’t just have your guns taken away, you should be in jail or an insane asylum!
SoldierGurl says:
I joined the Army to defend the American people and the Constiution that protects us from our goverment.
Yet you show nothing but disrespect for the country, your commander and chief and the constitution. You are a traitor.
SoldierGurl says:
Our fore fathers wrote the secound amendment to protect the American people from tyrany.
And yet here you are. A wingnut with a gun, threatening and working to terrorize your fellow Americans.
Actually the second amendment permits guns for those using them in a “well regulated militia”. Not a crackpot lunatic who needs hospitalized.
SoldierGurl says:
What amazies me is what the moderen American people accept as there ‘leader’.
More bad spelling, what an illiterate loser.
You mean you are amazed because he was democratically elected by the majority of Americans who also still approve of him? That’s because you’re an anti-american right wing fascist that doesn’t have any american values.
SoldierGurl says:
I will not accept a goverment health care plan.
No one is forcing you to. But you extremists are trying to prevent others from having the option for one. That’s called tyranny by the minority!
SoldierGurl says:
I have not and never will accept Medicare.
LOL! Then you’re an idiot, because you pay into it!
SoldierGurl says:
I am a 23 year-old woman who does not have high paying job but I can still find ways to afford health inssurance for my 3-year-old son with out Uncle Sam’s help.
So you’re of the attitude that you’ve got yours and the rest can just die? Yep. You’re a nazi.
SoldierGurl says:
Why would anyone want to accept someone else telling them that they cannot have a secound opinion when there childerns life is on the line!
That’s exactly what insurance companies do, so I guess you’re accepting the unacceptable? Or are you just that dumb?
SoldierGurl says:
I AM an American I beleave in Freedom and the right to CHOOSE my way of life. I feel sorry for anyone who will sell our heritage for pretty words!
LOL! You don’t have a clue on what our heritage is! You are a traitor, a liar and a fool!
September 29th, 2009 at 12:38 amSoldierGurl says:
“The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in goverment.” Thomas Jefferson. I love Thomas Jefferson he was a very wise man.
“A little rebellion now and then is a good thing.” Thomas Jefferson.
Yeah, the “people”, not the “individual”. He was an experience writer, and used both terms for different purposes. Well regulated militia that had common people that could defend themselves is entirely different than a lunatic like you with a hand gun.
You know nothing of our history, our culture and our heritage. You are an ignorant fool!
September 29th, 2009 at 12:39 amSoldierGurl says:
I am a 23 year-old woman who does not have high paying job but I can still find ways to afford health inssurance for my 3-year-old son with out Uncle Sam’s help.
Do you have insurance for yourself? If not, what happens when you die because you avoid treatment and your son doesn’t have a mother?
Republicans are good at getting the weak of mind, weak of spirit and ignorant greedy people to vote against their interest. You are a fool for falling for their crap!
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“Any people that would give up liberty for a little temporary safety deserves neither liberty nor safety.” Benjamin Franklin
September 29th, 2009 at 12:58 am“Americans [have] the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust their people with arms.”SAMUEL ADAMS.
“The balance of power is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world not destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside … Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them … the weak will become prey to the strong.”Thomas Paine.
One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them.Thomas Jefferson to George Washington.
September 29th, 2009 at 1:02 amI love Thomas Jefferson he was a very wise man.
September 29th, 2009 at 1:06 am“A little rebellion now and then is a good thing.” Thomas Jefferson.
Wow. Funny how things change. It wasn’t very long ago that right wing flying monkeys were accusing those who uttered those very words of treason, communism, nazism, and terrorist sympathies. I’ll pray for your son that he stays healthy and you never have to experience the agony that others have had to endure at the hands of these corporate killers you worship.
Reading these posts with comments such as “the Secret Service (SS) should keep an eye on them”. Humm, sounds like something the Nazi (NSDAP) would do. So much for “freedom of expression”. The “touchy feely” folks are at it. Take a deep breath and relax.
September 29th, 2009 at 1:07 am“I like to take vicodin and watch Glenn Beck. He makes so much sense to me when I am taking my vicodin.”
September 29th, 2009 at 1:08 amSoldierGurl says:
I would not compare Obama to Hitler…Hitler LOVED Germany and its people
So you’re pro-Hitler. Got it. Moving on…
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SoldierGurl says:
Obama is embaressed by America.
Actually he’s not, no matter how much pondscum like you try to keep embarrassing the rest of us.
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SoldierGurl says:
I have spent two tours in Iraq I have earned the RIGHT to own my guns. I joined the Army to defend the American people…
Are you aware that nobody in Iraq attacked us? I mean, do you actually know that?
What exactly do you believe you went to Iraq to defend us from that was there?
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SoldierGurl says:
What amazies me is what the moderen American people accept as there ‘leader’.
A black guy?
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SoldierGurl says:
Why would anyone want to accept someone else telling them that they cannot have a secound opinion when there childerns life is on the line!
Can’t imagine. And I have no idea what you’re talking about, unless it’s the fact that insurance companies routinely deny coverage for that sort of thing. But I bet the health care reform bill would fix that.
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SoldierGurl says:
I AM an American I beleave in Freedom and the right to CHOOSE my way of life.
… even though you’re an imbecile, you go ahead and CHOOSE away. Look, the grownups are trying to fix the country. You go shout at some trees or something.
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SoldierGurl says:
I keep both health and life insurance on myself plus I have my son a personal savings account for college.
All personal claims made by wingnuts are lies. Therefore, I can deduce that you have neither insurance nor children.
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SoldierGurl says:
Oh just so you know I am part of that well maintained militia…
If you’re still in the military then you don’t need health insurance because you get military (socialized) health care.
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SoldierGurl says:
“Any people that would give up liberty for a little temporary safety deserves neither liberty nor safety.” Benjamin Franklin
I completely agree: Bush and Cheney should be prosecuted.
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National Guard DOES NOT receive health care insurance unless you are on title 10 orders! And I do have 400,000 SGLI life insurnce that I pay monthly through them. BLACK who cares I am in the ARMY we look like a box of crayons. President Obama did not have the experiance to run a country. If you get down to it I wish Condoleezza Rice had ran for president she was one of Bushes greatest assesets during his presidency. As far as Hitler I am a big History buff what I said was true Obama is nothing like Hitler. Hitler loved Germany and would have done anything to make it great. I am not a nazi or a raciest try to come up with somthing new to call me! It is getting really childish. Well if your insurance refuses to let you get a secound opinion well get a new one!
September 29th, 2009 at 1:36 am“Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people’s liberty teeth keystone… the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable… more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference. When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour.” (Address to 1st session of Congress). George Washington.
September 29th, 2009 at 1:55 amYeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-
-Haww. It’s a Jingo Ji-had!!!!!!
2 late, and 2 bad.
Y’all had yer turn (don’t ask – didn’t go well)
Now, it’s our turn. Did you not know that’s how the USA works?
We’ll let history go ahead and be the judge, mm’K? Isn’t that what y’all favor for such matters?
Now mind your business, and clean up YOUR party’s nasty back yard – that oughtta keep you busy til next time.
September 29th, 2009 at 1:56 amnobody wants your gun, lady….
we’ve got our own.
September 29th, 2009 at 1:58 amWas that sarcasim? I do not have a party. My voters card is marked none.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:02 amso.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:08 amSoldierGurl says:
“Any people that would give up liberty for a little temporary safety deserves neither liberty nor safety.” Benjamin Franklin
You mean like you Republicans giving you your right to privacy under George Bush? Yeah, funny you quote things you don’t understand!
September 29th, 2009 at 2:12 amSooo what does my part or lack of party have to do with anything. You just told me to clean up my parties back yard. I am not a Right winger or Left winger. So I was just trying to clear that up for you.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:14 amSoldierGurl says:
I keep both health and life insurance on myself plus I have my son a personal savings account for college. Why wouldn’t I have health insurancs? that is stupid.
Because you can’t afford it? That’s why most people don’t have it. But you don’t care about them do you?
SoldierGurl says:
Oh I also have home insurance WOW I take care of all the small details! Why all the name calling? Are you trying to hurt my feelings?
Why all of the stupidity and nazi fascist behaviors? You trying to undermine my country?
SoldierGurl says:
Also I am not a gun totting lunatic who is trying to kill President Obama.
That remains to be seen.
SoldierGurl says:
I have no ill wishes to him and I hope he has a long fulfilling life.
Yet you speak with disrespect about him. You lie. You hate him and you know it!
SoldierGurl says:
I just love my guns and my insurance.
You’re one of the few that does! Most Americans are dissatisfied with their insurance, especially the cost! Wait till you have a pre-existing condition and get back to us.
SoldierGurl says:
Oh just so you know I am part of that well maintained militia
Great, then you have a right to have your weapon and have nothing to worry about. Other than being disrespectful to the commander and chief which makes you sound like an anarchist traitor.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:15 amSoldierGurl says:
“Americans [have] the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust their people with arms.”SAMUEL ADAMS.
As part of a militia.
SoldierGurl says:
“The balance of power is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world not destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside … Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them … the weak will become prey to the strong.”Thomas Paine.
As part of a militia.
SoldierGurl says:
One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them.Thomas Jefferson to George Washington.
As part of a militia.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:16 amSoldierGurl says:
Marlow how dare say such things! Because I am a hard working woman who can support herself and her child and refuses to be on welfare or any other goverment hand out!
That’s nice, that’s today. What happens when you have an accident, or get sick like millions of Americans and can’t do both? No handout? You’ll just starve and let your child do the same? How noble of you to choose death and keep your principles…
SoldierGurl says:
I was raised that begging for things that I should earn was shameful.
Ah, someone raised with shame. That explains all of your anxiety and psychotic posts.
SoldierGurl says:
Just because I pay my bills by working hard does not make me a corporate worshiper.
Nope, that’s not what makes you a corporate worshiper. Your defense of Corporations that exploit americans by gouging them is what makes you a Corporate worshiper. Glad I could clear that up for you!
SoldierGurl says:
I cannot afford to buy Prada but I can keep a roof over my head and my family happy and healthy.
I doubt people that can’t afford health care are making that trade off. But nice of you dismiss their pain and agony with such an off handed and silly disrespectful remark.
SoldierGurl says:
My son does not need your prayers he has a good mother and father and will never see poverty or go without because I will never stand in a welfare line trying to get others hard earned money to support me.
Never say never! And there is no shame in a welfare line, the only shame comes from people being too “proud” to get the help they need. Pride goeth before a fall, and you have a big fall waiting sistah!
September 29th, 2009 at 2:21 am“Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples’ liberty’s teeth.” George Washington.
Our Goverment would take away my rights to defend myself. What would come next? After my choice of heath care is taken what other choice would I lose?
September 29th, 2009 at 2:23 amSoldierGurl says:
…and her child and refuses to be on welfare or any other goverment hand out!
“I’ve been on welfare and food stamps…did anyone help me? No.”
– Craig T. Nelson
As I said, 100 out of 100 times a wingnut makes a personal claim on the internet, they’re lying. I just point this out to save you some time.
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SoldierGurl says:
…because I will never stand in a welfare line trying to get others hard earned money to support me.
Look, we’re just trying to invest in America. You’re trying to stop us. Everybody benefits from the economic and social environment they live in. If you don’t believe me, move to the middle of the Sahara desert and open up a Starbucks, then let me know how much money you made. Consider how much worse the latter half of the 20th century might have been economically if it weren’t for things like the National Highway System. Before Social Security existed, nearly all homeless people were over sixty years old, and a majority of elders were homeless.
If you want to live all by yourself without ever being asked to chip in for the community around you, then I hear there’s some free land in Antarctica for the taking. But quit trying to turn America into a third-world hellhole of “every man for himself.”
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zeke1312 says:
I’ll bet most have never served in the military or handled one of those “nasty” guns.
Check the IAVA ratings on Democrats vs. Republicans some time, if you actually cared about who’s there for our military, as opposed to who likes to use them for political pawns.
At least we won’t have to listen to this from you much longer. You’ve already stopped using 9/11, the victims and their families as your puppet idols and have begun demonizing them now that Afghanistan is no longer a useful political football for you, so I assume you’ll turn on our service men and women next.
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zeke1312 says:
As far as Hitler I am a big History buff what I said was true Obama is nothing like Hitler. Hitler loved Germany and would have done anything to make it great.
Like invade other countries based on lies, demonize communists, enforce a single culture and language, “seal the borders,” slash social welfare programs, give no-bid contracts to the largest corporations, torture people, spy on his own people, ignore habeus corpus, withdraw from international agreements and the international community… did those things make Germany “great” in your eyes?
All I’m hearing from you here is how awesome you think Hitler was.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:24 amIf I was hurt guess what my husband still works!
September 29th, 2009 at 2:25 amSoldierGurl says:
National Guard DOES NOT receive health care insurance unless you are on title 10 orders! And I do have 400,000 SGLI life insurnce that I pay monthly through them. BLACK who cares I am in the ARMY we look like a box of crayons. President Obama did not have the experiance to run a country.
No president ever does have enough when the are elected. Experience isn’t a qualification in a democracy – or do I need to explain our government to you as well. Just look at George Bush. He didn’t have the experience to shine boots, and it showed in his completely disastrous presidency!
You’re black? Yet you attack the only people that have done anything to help your race and your gender for the last 100 years. Without us, you wouldn’t be in the army as a woman or a black person!
SoldierGurl says:
If you get down to it I wish Condoleezza Rice had ran for president she was one of Bushes greatest assesets during his presidency.
Are you kidding? She was inept at best.
SoldierGurl says:
As far as Hitler I am a big History buff what I said was true Obama is nothing like Hitler. Hitler loved Germany and would have done anything to make it great.
More love of a white supremacist and loathing of a black man who is supposed to be your commander and chief. Sorry, I’m not believing your black. You don’t think Obama wants to make this country great?
SoldierGurl says:
I am not a nazi or a raciest try to come up with somthing new to call me! It is getting really childish.
Says the racist childish twit that compliments Hitler while attacking Obama.
SoldierGurl says:
Well if your insurance refuses to let you get a secound opinion well get a new one!
Unless that qualifies you for a pre-existing condition…
Good luck with that delusional world of yours! I believe you’re as young as you say, you certainly have the ignorance of a sheltered child!
September 29th, 2009 at 2:25 amSoldierGurl says:
Our Goverment would take away my rights to defend myself.
No, it wouldn’t. I haven’t heard anybody oppose responsible firearms ownership recently. Who told you that? Isn’t that the government you work for? Do you love it or hate it? Make up your mind!
September 29th, 2009 at 2:26 amSoldierGurl says:
If I was hurt guess what my husband still works!
Yeah, till he runs off because you’re sick..
Sorry, but you have a lot of arrogance for someone who’s not lived a lot. Maybe it’s why you come off as a spoiled selfish brat.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:26 amSoldierGurl says:
“Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people’s liberty teeth keystone… the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable… more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference. When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour.” (Address to 1st session of Congress). George Washington.
No free speech that Bush and your fellow GOP zealots tried to squash over the past 50 years stand next to the constitution in importance. Then well regulated militias (not guns) stand next to that.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:28 amSoldierGurl says:
Sooo what does my part or lack of party have to do with anything. You just told me to clean up my parties back yard. I am not a Right winger or Left winger. So I was just trying to clear that up for you.
You are clearly a right winger. You hate Obama, are paranoid people are gonna take yo guns, and you’re opposed to health care coverage for all americans. That’s not only a right winger, it’s an “extremist”.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:29 amSoldierGurl says:
“Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples’ liberty’s teeth.” George Washington.
Our Goverment would take away my rights to defend myself. What would come next? After my choice of heath care is taken what other choice would I lose?
Repeating stupid claims doesn’t make them right, it just proves you’re stupid.
If you’re in a militia, then you have a right to have your guns. As for health care choices, creating a new one doesn’t take away your choices – it expands them.
Your crazy, insane, and silly post just proves you are either illiterate, fools, a liar, or a fraud. I’m betting all of them.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:31 amThese wacko’s have zero knowledge of history so we end up with the blind leading the blind. From these rants one would assume that Hitler and Stalin were close due to the linkage being ascribed here. They were, of course, mortal enemies with more Russian killed by Hitler than any other single country. How stupid do they actually think the American people are — as stupid as Michele Bachmann obviously?
September 29th, 2009 at 2:33 amHow is the goverment being incharge of health care help anyone? I am not stopping anyone from trying to improve themselves! Stop trying to make excuses for all the freeloaders! I have worked in factories where half the people were ilegal and mouched of the American Goverment. I know how welfare works,food stamps, and section 8 work. The less you work the more the goverment gives you.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:36 am#151 T. Don,
Really?
Then you’ve never been HERE, have you?
September 29th, 2009 at 2:36 am#203 SoldierGurl,
Excuse me but did I just read that you’ve been employed right along side “illegals” and didn’t report your employer to the Feds?
S H O C K E D!!! I . TELL . YOU!!!
You covered for your employer in their violation of the law.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:39 amSoldierGurl says:
How is the goverment being incharge of health care help anyone?
Since when was that the topic? In charge of, means administer. Last time I checked, a single payer system of government run health care wasn’t being discussed. So your question is not only irrelevant, it’s disingenuous.
SoldierGurl says:
I am not stopping anyone from trying to improve themselves!
Actually if people die because they can’t afford health care, you are.
SoldierGurl says:
Stop trying to make excuses for all the freeloaders!
So someone that can’t afford health care is a freeloader? Even if they’re working? You have a bizarre and irrational understanding of the english language that is neither accurate nor relevant.
SoldierGurl says:
I have worked in factories where half the people were ilegal and mouched of the American Goverment.
Illegal aliens are a net positive on the economy. If the companies paid living wages, people wouldn’t need government help. And what mooching were they doing exactly, and do you have proof of it?
Sorry, but you’re just flinging propaganda lies.
SoldierGurl says:
I know how welfare works,food stamps, and section 8 work. The less you work the more the goverment gives you.
That’s a lie. You know nothing.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:45 amMax Anax junius -1 says:
#203 SoldierGurl,
Excuse me but did I just read that you’ve been employed right along side “illegals” and didn’t report your employer to the Feds?
That’s a crime. I wonder if the “patriot” knows she’s a criminal?
September 29th, 2009 at 2:45 amSoldierGurl says:
I know how welfare works,food stamps, and section 8 work. The less you work the more the goverment gives you.
If that were true, you’d know the “government” not the “goverment” has time limits on welfare to encourage work and shut down freeloading.
But a natural born liar like you never worries about facts when you’re spreading right wing extremist class warfare propaganda… ZZZZZzz…
http://www.mdrc.org/publications/51/overview.html
September 29th, 2009 at 2:48 amStop all the name calling we are all adults. Have I been calling others names? I do not hate President Obama. At least address our president by his title. I do not beleave he was the right canadate for president because I did not feel he had enough qualifactions for presidencey at this time. Maybe in about 10 years our so but at this time he is to young in politics to handle it as well as a more seasoned polition.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:49 amAs far as being paranoid I will give you that I just might be. Have you ever had anyone try to kill you? Well after 2 combat tours in Iraq you just might. Oh and I do not mean some stupid gang war!
SoldierGurl says:
Stop all the name calling we are all adults.
There is no evidence you are an adult.
Stop all of the lying and deception and you’ll be treated as an adult.
SoldierGurl says:
Have I been calling others names?
You call people free loaders, and you accused us of trying to take away your guns. Yeah, there’s nothing offensive, irresponsible or the cause of the response you get. Have you been a victim your whole life?
SoldierGurl says:
I do not hate President Obama.
Yet you compare Hitler favorably to him. Sorry, your posts say differently.
SoldierGurl says:
At least address our president by his title.
Says the person that so disrespects him she compares Hitler as favorable to him.
SoldierGurl says:
I do not beleave he was the right canadate for president because I did not feel he had enough qualifactions for presidencey at this time.
Already addressed. This isn’t a reason, this is an excuse for your racism, fascism and hatred.
SoldierGurl says:
Maybe in about 10 years our so but at this time he is to young in politics to handle it as well as a more seasoned polition.
You mean like Bush the Imperial failure? Plenty of seasoned politicians like Richard Nixon were utter failures as president. And some of our best presidents have been young like Kennedy.
SoldierGurl says:
As far as being paranoid I will give you that I just might be.
Might? You’re a missed prescription away from treason.
SoldierGurl says:
Have you ever had anyone try to kill you? Well after 2 combat tours in Iraq you just might. Oh and I do not mean some stupid gang war!
While I don’t believe you for a second about being a soldier, you are clearly messed up!
Get treatment for PSTD or what ever insanity you suffer from and realize that it’s “you” and not the “libruls” that are the problem! ‘Cause you are one screwed up loser!
September 29th, 2009 at 2:55 amSoldierGurl says:
Have you ever had anyone try to kill you? Well after 2 combat tours in Iraq you just might.
Just imagine if the GOP hadn’t had a Coup and replaced the democratically elected Al Gore with an inexperienced idiot there wouldn’t have been an Iraq where American soldiers died unnecessarily!
Funny how the wing nuts never care about democracy or inexperience as long as their idiot is the one in charge or getting “appointed” through a coup.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:57 am“Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.”
George Washington.
Before you accuse me find out the facts I quit after I called in an anonymous call to immigration. But in Texas that does not mean very much.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:58 amWhat’s a “freeloader”?
How about an illegal moucher?
It’s all in CONTEXT.
See, If I were to say that the subject matter on this thread is quite “broad”…
… Would be quite different than saying there is some dumb “broad” speaking silly sh!t.
CONTEXT!
September 29th, 2009 at 2:58 am.
Dear Gurl,
R E M E M B E R:
Do NOT criticize the President of the USA during a time of war!
Q U E S T I O N:
Was that B.S. then, or is it B.S. now?
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September 29th, 2009 at 3:03 amTreason? LOL that is a joke right I have the freedom of speech last time I checked…I still do right? I mean come on they want to get rid of the second amendment. Did they toss the freedom of speach out the widow first! Again with the name calling. Can you not debate in a civil manner? It makes the things that you are discussing seem trivial.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:11 am“If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.”
September 29th, 2009 at 3:15 amGeorge Washington
“The foolish and wicked practice of profane cursing and swearing is a vice so mean and low that every person of sense and character detests and despises it.” George Washington.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:21 am.
Dear Gurl,
When using the all but too familiar and ubiquitous phraseology, “they want to get rid of the second amendment,” the term “they” is who’s in question.
Most certainly you do NOT implicate the President in this matter…
… Do you?
Least you be seen as a LIAR! And we wouldn’t want any of that egg on your face, now could we?
September 29th, 2009 at 3:21 amWell screw me…
… My link broke.
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/issues/additional/Obama_FactSheet_Western_Sportsmen.pdf
Maybe Gurl can comment.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:25 amNope I am talking about the type of American who watches MTV,BET and VH1 as an imformative source for political candidates. If you think Madonna was the person to go to during the elections then yes then you are part of the ‘THEY’.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:33 amDid you support ACORN or support a union?
September 29th, 2009 at 3:36 am.
Bus beating Limbaugh exploited draws neo-Nazis
By Daniel Tencer
Monday, September 28th, 2009
http://rawstory.com/2009/09/neo-nazis-rally-over-limbaughs-pet-hate-crime/
These are the “REAL” Nazis in America.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:37 amThese are the ones to fear.
Yet, the voice of the G(no)P plays to this group.
They are Boss Limbaugh’s base!
How else did they get the idea?
Gurl,
I made no claim either way on each of your options.
Can I play too…
September 29th, 2009 at 3:38 am… Do you still beat your girlfriend?
Or, or, or…
September 29th, 2009 at 3:40 amDo you support underwear or diapers…
… Because if you support underwear I don’t know how you keep all you B.S. in.
SoldierGurl says:
Your mother told me you give blowjobs to truck drivers for drug money. Is this true?
September 29th, 2009 at 3:45 am“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”
September 29th, 2009 at 3:45 amAbraham Lincoln
But if you must know…
September 29th, 2009 at 3:47 am… I prefer cashews and almonds.
Nice quote @ 3:45, SG
Is that republican strategy, this year?
Sure seems like it.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:54 amCertainly when you say THEY, you mean them…
September 29th, 2009 at 3:59 amhttp://rawstory.com/blog/2009/09/bush-officials-face-possible-liability-for-violation-of-suspects-rights/
Oh, you mean that ACORN.
You know, it depends on what you believe and who you listen to.
CONTEXT!
September 29th, 2009 at 4:11 amSoldierGurl says:
“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”
Abraham Lincoln
And sure enough, you repiggies destroyed yourselves. Happy?
September 29th, 2009 at 4:21 amThanks for that, VirtualPebble (#16) –
Unfortunately, JUST LIKE HITLER’s PROPAGANDA MACHINE, the MAIN feature of the American “mainstream” press & “news” media is their ability to ABJECTLY LIE to Americans, to MISINFORM Americans to the point where Righties like Michelle Bachman can speak about “DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION!” in one breath, while HATING the CENSUS in the next.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:49 amHELLO?
The CENSUS is EMBEDDED in the US Constitution, ARTICLE 1 (the important one setting up REPRESENTATIVE democracy) Section 2 (paragraph 3)!!
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html
Sad to say, the “Major Media” – not just Fox noise, but the WASHINGTON POST, NY Times, CNN, networks, etc. – pimp many of these Right-Wing lies & Propaganda misinformation… and BLATANT race- and HATE-BAITING!
This MediaMatters.org report details how Fox noise Sean Hannity & Glenn Beck spend (almost literally) 1,000 times as much airtime BASHING “Acorn” as they look into VAST CORRUPTION & FRAUD in Halliburton, Blackwater, or Jack Abramoff CORRUPTION… but the SAME COULD BE SAID of the Wash-Post, NY Times, CNN, Time/Warner, the LA Times, the Chicago Tribune, and other so-called “mainstream” ‘news’ organizations…
this is their STOCK IN TRADE, look NOT at stolen election 2000 (or 2004), but BLAME ACORN for VOTER FRAUD!
They are ALL in the “MISINFORMATION” and disinformation (propaganda) business, as that appalling Congressional vote this past week – to CONDEMN ACORN – But NOT these other, far more connected & profiteering (war & government contracting) companies, shows.
http://mediamatters.org/reports/200909230032
Soldiergurl,
September 29th, 2009 at 5:26 amI appreciate you being articulate, your comments make more sense than the rest all put together.
Lefties need to get over their squeamishness about the 2d Amendment.
September 29th, 2009 at 6:22 amneilac says:
“Soldiergurl,
I appreciate you being articulate, your comments make more sense than the rest all put together.”
Does that include your own atrocious use of the English language or just the people here making sense?
godistwaddle says:
“Lefties need to get over their squeamishness about the 2d Amendment.”
Righties just need to get over.. well, over themselves, really.
September 29th, 2009 at 6:30 amThese people are really going to far. One person actually started a post asking people should they kill the president and now this. It is time to take these people seriously. There are many Americans who have very short memories concerning the problems that are now tearing this country apart. All they have to do is go back as far as one year ago to see the people responsible for this mess. The neocons. They are masters of deception and they’re playing these imbeciles like Carlos Santana plays the guitar, maybe even better. They are really trying to start a race war in this country and they must be stopped. I know many of you can see right through what they are doing. Many Americans want to hold the Bush administration accountable for two illegal wars and the tanking our country. What better way to stop any chance of them ever being held accountable then to create a diversion by getting racist riled up.
September 29th, 2009 at 6:50 amI see the usual suspects are still playing with the NeoCon trolls, taking 235 posts to discuss a case of NeoCon extermism that could be reduced by half if ThinkProgress would ban the trolls.
ThinkProgress defends its lack of respect for responsible posters on the basis of “free speech.” None of the trolls in here (like Solidergurl and neilac) or Kitty “terrorist/insurrecionist/traitor” Werthmann (the topic of this thread), would EVER allow progressives free reign in a thread they controlled, even if, unlike the trolls, the progressives stayed on topic.
September 29th, 2009 at 6:56 amI’m voting for the rapture to come soon… and take these bloody idiots somewhere else so we can fix this planet.
September 29th, 2009 at 6:58 amDuring the 8 years of the Bush Regime, our nation was destroyed from the inside via their insiders. See?
September 29th, 2009 at 7:03 amThank you for going on record that you are completely against the poor in our country and are against Americans being paid a decent wage too. Hey, you’re a fascist corporatist and your allegiance is always to the CEO’s & Wall Street! Thanks again for continuing to prove to us all that you are pond scum.
September 29th, 2009 at 7:05 amIt is absolutely amazing how both political parties whenever they want to demonize anyone they don’t agree with, compare that person to Hitler. Liberals did it with Bush now NeoCons are doing it with Obama. Doing this diminishes what Hitler represents historically ABSOLUTE EVIL. In both cases I blame americans that don’t like to think for themselves. We pay more attention to American Idol and Dancing With The Stars than to what is happening in this country and around the word. 1/5 of Americans can’t even pick the country out on a map, so its not surprising that people are paying attention to this lady.
September 29th, 2009 at 7:06 amGeorge Bush did reflect Hitler’s policies. They both illegally invaded a country after their Reichstag fire. They used religion as a way to brainwash the masses. They both tortured and killed in secret prisons. They believed they were above all laws and created their own to make themselves feel better. They committed war crimes and got away with it.
THE END.
September 29th, 2009 at 7:12 amExcept the comparisons to bush were true and obviously still a danger.
Nothing wrong with pointing out a trend towards facism which bush was guilty of.
The comparison where Obama is concerned is just because the gop has nothing and this is what they do. It’s called a smear.
The difference is whether there is a real threat or not. I think the gop with this thread as an example, are a threat still.
September 29th, 2009 at 7:15 amthinkingamerican, here’s an example:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090929/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_ashcroft_lawsuit
In two cases, judges appointed by Republican presidents have refused at an early stage to dismiss lawsuits that were filed against Ashcroft and former Justice Department official John Yoo. One complaint challenges Ashcroft’s strategy of preventive detention. The other seeks to hold Yoo accountable for legal memos he wrote supporting detention, interrogation and presidential power.
In a third case, the full federal appeals court in New York is reconsidering an earlier decision by three of its members to toss out a lawsuit by a man who was changing planes in the United States when he was mistaken for a terrorist and sent to Syria, where he claims he was tortured.
September 29th, 2009 at 7:17 amAdolf Hitler was identified with the HOLOCAUST last time I checked Bush didn’t intentionally wipe any group of people off the face of the earth. Its true that Bush did very controversial things, but to create a blanket Hitler generalization of him is ignorant. I am glad I am an Independant.
September 29th, 2009 at 7:24 amBut the trend is still there and therefore is is relevant.
If hitler taught us anything it is to be vigilant against anyone with similar intentions.
bush did wipe out close to 1 million Iraqies. Sometimes it’s just a matter of degrees. What degree of facism are you comfortable with?
bush declaring that he would institute martial law if he didn’t get his way? Torture? ect.
The comparisons where Obama are concerned are gutter politics with no base in reality. The gop is a smear machine with nothing to offer the American people except more death and destruction.
September 29th, 2009 at 7:35 amthinkingamerican, I find it a little sad that you have a username that you can’t seem to live up to.
By the way, people who come here defending the right against our attacks while claiming to be independent are not fooling anyone.
If you can’t sort out the differences in the bush admin and the Obama admin then you are not thinking.
I can name instances all day long of where bush pushed the line as much as he could away from democracy.
Can you name any legitimate claims against Obama?
September 29th, 2009 at 7:51 amGeorge Bush wiped out a portion of the Iraqi population based on lies, deceits, and distortions he told prior to the illegal invasion of this country on 3/17/03!
September 29th, 2009 at 8:23 amTHANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT YOU’RE ONE OF THOSE IGNORANT INDEPENDENTS! And we wonder why America is so screwed up sometimes with you people in it!
September 29th, 2009 at 8:25 amGuys calm down. I am not defending Bush. I am just saying it is extreme to call him Hitler. George Bush is not President anymore, yet people are still railing about the things he did. We are all on the outside looking in and we are all entitled to our opinions. No matter who is in power, none of us know what is actually happening in the government and that’s scary. No matter who is in power use your head. And remember everything is a matter of perspective. And all you people thinking Obama is some kind of savior for this country, remember at his core he is a politician and does what is politically expedient for him to do. The best thing to do is put your faith in God, not in some politician period. I will pray that he makes the right decisions for the country. As a matter of fact I am Black and voted for Obama.
September 29th, 2009 at 8:33 amthinkingamerican says:
Don’t tell us to calm down. The right has aligned itself with it’s extremists and are threating violence.
Obama may not be our saviour but he is not the kind of politician that bush was and when so called indies who claim to be black try to make a comparison that Obama is a politician just like bush it just signals that you want to lessen the impact that bush had on our country and claim that they are all the same. They are not.
September 29th, 2009 at 8:52 amPoor TP pseudo-progressives, felching your hero as he issues gag orders, censors the internet, and leaves kids to die and kill (bit not leave or win) in Afghanistan.
Wonder how long before an angry mob surrounds your office on 13th street, drags you out, scrawls FED on your shirts, and hangs you?
September 29th, 2009 at 9:25 amI love it how the right and the right’s sympathizers constantly make all this talk about Obama being the “Savior”, Savior from what? Irresponsible and incompetent leadership? I have had it with a lot of these people. I know I am parroting, but why weren’t all of you so upset in 2003 or 04 etc. The right blames Obama for a deficit, yet, the only reason this trillion dollar deficit surfaced when it did, was because Bush couldn’t hide it any longer. Does the right really think these wars cost nothing? Where did the money from those endless spending bills that it was patriotic and necessary to support because it’s war time come from?
The poster was way up there, but I agree. It’s time to get our guns. If the right is threatening violence at every turn, then we should be ready. We already know they are not afraid to strike on our soil a la Oklahoma City.
September 29th, 2009 at 9:34 amThanks
September 29th, 2009 at 9:38 amSesli Chat
Sesli Sohbet
I still say unless we start prosecuting the right wingers every time they violate US Federal Laws this lunacy will continue unchecked. If WE, you and I are serious about changing America, WE have the responsibility to
Demand That Our Federal Laws Be Enforced!
The only way to enforce laws is to Prosecute Violators.
Start with the obvious and admitted Federal Conspiracy To Torture Violations of Bush, Cheney and Torture Advocating Lawyers and then branch out to all their other crimes.
WE must raise hell about this publicly NOW!
Get out in the streets in front of your Congressional Representative’s District Office and do pro-torture prosecution protests/vigils.
KEEP ASKING ALL POLITICIANS AT ALL PUBLIC EVENTS
“WHY DO YOU SUPPORT TORTURE?”
If they aren’t actively calling for enforcement of our Federal Torture Laws, They DO Support Torture and a dual standard of Justice.
SIGN THE PETITION
Demanding prosecution
at
http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG
..
September 29th, 2009 at 9:41 amI’ve been living in this country for 55 years and for the first time in my life I’m beginning to think that living somewhere else might be better.
September 29th, 2009 at 9:43 amThe only vets who attack their fellow citizens are the so called vets who post here.
September 29th, 2009 at 9:45 amI don’t know any vet in person who served and came back to shove it down other peoples throats.
Most of them just want to get on with their current lives.
In other words, I question gurls credentials, or at the least, his suitablity to setve.
tony and lido
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September 29th, 2009 at 9:47 amtony and lido
She takes it a bit too far, but she has a few valid points! We can not blindly follow either party! Agreed that we followed Bush, because of 9-11. Those things that some of you criticize Bush for such as his wiretap program, are now being used by Obama! Even though he criticized Bush for them as a lack of privacy! I see a lot of hypocrites in this forum! Many that hacked Bush for things that now Obama is doing! I am not a racist! I have fought along side many of different race in Iraq and Afghanistan and have gotten along with all of them!
September 29th, 2009 at 9:51 amI’d like to point out a few kind facts to soldiergurl.
1. O’s not taking guns. Clinton tried to limit assault rifles, and probably went farther. It cost him. He mentioned that O is not going to do that … unless maybe there was an uprising.
2. FEMA under Bush DID seize firearms from law-abiding citizens, by going house-to-house and confiscation. It was during Katrina. A few, like Alex Jones, covered the info. It was on TV too. Old white people with firearms had Feds with assault rifles pointed at them to seize guns.
3. I agree with all the pro-gun Leftists, and others who see the necessity of an armed populace. There will always be nutcases, but a disarmed populace is slave-bait. There were rumors under Bush of foreign troops, Mexicans, right wing Chileans, and Blackwater employees unleashed on America with new Green Cards from being hired to fight in Iraq (for a lot more than Soldiergurl got paid).
STAY ARMED. But no Beer Hall Putches, ok? Enough of that.
Imagine if 150 million Americans decided to launch a health care cooperative, non-profit, and SELF-insure our own health care. We’d hire Directors, staff, and layers of oversight. Everyone could join. Cheap.
Would you stop us proud Americans from SELF-insuring? Would you force us to pay fealty to some Insurance/Banking firm that invests in drugs, stock swindles, and offshore balance sheets? Why?
That’s the essence of the proposed health care plan, SELF-insurance, with our Representatives acting as Directors and oversight. The main problem is our Representatives are OWNED by Big Business, so that’s a problem.
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Most people who are religiously pro-Corporate have no idea what one is. They think it means “big company”.
Incorporating a legal (govt) mechanism created to EVADE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY by shifting responsibility to the public. Making your private company into a corporation is a PARTNERSHIP with the govt, which gives you vast risk mitigation services, for FREE, no cost.
Sure, Corporations operating under Corporate Law helps growth — or used to, before De-industrialization and Financialization (debt) became the rage — but it was still a FREE govt program. Now, investors would rather do leveraged buyouts and raid your hard earned pension fund than actually make anything.
Corporations, as we know them now, were created by a bogus judicial opinion, by Activist Judges, stretching the Constitution to make this Legal Instrument = A Person.
The Founders opposed general incorporation. They had experience with British Crown Corporations — remember that war? Boston Tea Party against East India Company?
Corporations were all but illegal in 1700s. States had the power to abolish them for violations, and imprison errant corporate owners, but corporate owners got Lawyers and Lobbyists to bribe and campaign to oppose State’s Rights at the Federal Level. Have a good life, be wise.
September 29th, 2009 at 10:01 amI forgot to mention, a clear explanation on how we got Corporate Personhood comes from none other than Colbert.
How can a Legal Contract = A Human Being? Can a dog license be a person?
September 29th, 2009 at 10:04 amkeep saying it, maybe one day you can convince yourself, you will never convince me.
September 29th, 2009 at 10:12 amI also find it amusing that during the Bush years we heard similar things being written about the Left taking up arms to rid themselves of Bush! We didn’t talk about enforcing laws of freedom of speech!It seems like the left only wants laws enforced when it is against them! I also notice the media will not repeat anything bad about Obama! Canadian and British newspapers reported that French President Sarsky said that Obama’s dream of a non-nuclear world is a virtual reality world and not one one of reality! There are small countries that want nuclear weapons and if we rid ourselves of ours who will protect us?
September 29th, 2009 at 10:15 amYou’re just a common right wing liar. You’ve got nothing.
If you can’t prove that you will have to admit it and you can’t prove it so you are by definition a liar.
September 29th, 2009 at 10:28 amI think author Larry Nocella says it best: Nazis always think they’re fighting the Nazis. Here’s the link.
September 29th, 2009 at 10:30 amFred,
September 29th, 2009 at 10:41 amI wish I could go back and copy down some of the crap the left said about Bush so I could shove it down their throats, but of course as you know these are gone by now! What ever happened to those war protests that you guys staged? Both wars go on and will go on. Is it because the Democrats are in office and they wont protest themselves?
Fred,
You seem to like facts here are some about the financial crisis! Refute them with facts if you can!
1999: Bill Clinton (D) puts the CRA on steroids, pushing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to increase the number of sub-prime loans.
2003: The White House calls Fannie and Freddie “a systemic risk.” The Bush administration pushes Congress to enact new regulations.
2003: Barney Frank (D-CN) says F&F are “not in a crisis.” He bashes Republicans for crying wolf and calls F&F “financially sound.” Democrats block the Republican-sponsored regulation legislation.
2005: Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan voices a warning over F&F accounting. “We are placing the total financial system of the future at a substantial risk.
2005: Sen. Charles Schumer, (D-NY) says “…I think Fannie and Freddie over the years have done an incredibly good job and are an intrinsic part of making America the best-housed people in the world …if you look over the last 20 or whatever years, they’ve done a very, very good job.”
2006: Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) again calls for reform. “For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac … and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the marketplace … the GSE’s (government sponsored enterprises) need to be reformed without delay.”
2006: Democrats again block reform legislation.
2008: housing market collapses; Democrats blame the Republican’s
September 29th, 2009 at 10:45 amNothing is ever gone. You can’t go back and get it because it never existed.
September 29th, 2009 at 10:54 amUh,oh… liberals say if your not with them you must be a racist and a member of the NSDAP. Further more, we should be arrested by the SS (Secret Service). Ah ha, this is what the US is all about? The liberals quote much crap here. Much about nothing. I love to “stir the pot”. Shakes some of the liberal morons out of their cages.
September 29th, 2009 at 10:56 am267 flea
You are a fool if you really believe all of that. It has been proven to be false so many times.
Why don’t you do some reading for yourself instead of listening to idiots?
Just a little light reading, I don’t want to scare you with too much at one time. ON the cra:
http://www.businessweek.com/investing/insights/blog/archives/2008/09/community_reinv.html
http://adisgruntledrepublican.blogspot.com/2009/03/are-cra-clinton-and-carter-really-to.html
stop being a tool and think for yourself.
September 29th, 2009 at 10:57 amGOP rep Trent Fanks (R-AZ) called Obama “An enemy of Humanity” a the same conference.
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SoldierGurl says:
How is the goverment being incharge of health care help anyone?
Glad you asked! Under the current “system,” uninsured people who get emergency care pass those costs on the rest of us through overcharging when we go to the same hospitals. Those costs are increased highly by the fact that emergency care is the most expensive way to treat someone. Managing health care through employers puts a huge burden on all business in America, from small businesses to large corporations (who no matter what their actual business is, have to create entire departments just to manage the health plan). Costs for health care have been spiraling out of control for the last ten years. Every labor dispute over the last decade has been caused not because workers want more benefits, but because the health insurers have raised the rates on the benefits they already had beyond what the employer could pay.
Getting health insurance is nearly impossible due to the “pre-existing condition” clause, which allows them to yank the coverage for any typo on the form anywhere, even if it’s got nothing to do with a claim. Of course, they’re happy to accept your money until you try to make a claim, which is when they check for typos. For people who have health insurance, there’s no way of knowing whether or not they’ll cover a visit or treatment for something until after you go see a doctor. Therefore, many people avoid seeing a doctor because they don’t know if they’ll be able to afford to.
Furthermore, people don’t have choice of doctors; you have to find an “in-network” doctor. As a consumer, you can only make a purchase decision once per calendar year. And health insurance is already rationed, since the corporations will only give out as much money as their quarterly budget affords. And everything is done in secret. Non-disclosure agreements prevent anyone from finding out what hospitals charge insurers, so nobody can comparison-shop. You don’t get to find out what rules they use to determine whether they’ll allow or deny a claim, that’s covered as a trade secret.
Public health insurance would help everyone, even you. Unless you’re extremely wealthy, you’d get better care for less money, as can be proven by the statistics from all of the other developed nations in the world.
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SoldierGurl says:
Did you support ACORN or support a union?
Sure. ACORN is a great non-profit organization that helps poor and struggling people across America and does a great job of it. If you hate ACORN, you hate the poor. Unions were the reason people could afford to support a middle-class family on a single salary. The decline of real wages in America is entirely due to the decline of unions. If you hate unions, you hate workers.
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thinkingamerican says:
I am not defending Bush. I am just saying it is extreme to call him Hitler.
I agree that it would be extreme to call him Hitler. I do not agree that it would be extreme to call him a fascist.
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flea1989 says:
What ever happened to those war protests that you guys staged? Both wars go on and will go on.
The President is no longer refusing to submit to a timetable for withdrawal in the war that was based on lies. The war that was a valid response to the attacks of 9/11 is now actually being taken seriously by the President.
That’s a pretty big difference.
September 29th, 2009 at 11:22 amNothing this woman makes sense.
Hitler wasn’t elected—he was appointed chancellor as head of the largest vote-getting party (although not a majority).
She’s from Austria, Hitler came to power in Germany; Austria was annexed by Germany but most Austrians accepted the event and supported it.
Neither Germany nor Austria was (or is) 100% Christian, although fairly close to it (posters who ask where the “six million Jews” came from should remember the majority of Jews killed in the Holocaust were not from German-speaking countries, the largest number by far were Polish).
Nazis and Communists are *not* the same, apart from totalitarian methods and collective worship of the state.
It’s a shame someone with actual life experience under National Socialism makes the same kind of inaccurate and mindless generalizations to which so many American conservatives seem prone.
Plus you’d think the right would be less quick to throw out the Nazi accusation after hearing it for eight years about Bush. I guess it’s all part of the American tradition of political hyperbole, at the end of the day.
September 29th, 2009 at 11:30 amI noticed the name of the conference was not “how to win America back,” but rather “how to take America back.”
September 29th, 2009 at 11:37 amHmmm. Non-Jewish Austrians unanimously welcomed Hitler and his thugs into their country and approved of Germany’s “annexation” of Austria into the Third Reich almost unanimously – I think the vote registered was something like 99.75%. One wonders whether Werthmann’s family actually actively and vocally opposed Hitler and Nazism back in 1938. My guess is that much if not most of her zeal stems from guilt and the need for repentance.
But then, right-wingers aren’t really known for fidelity to the facts, are they?
September 29th, 2009 at 11:58 am@ 124. NinerFan says: Somehow Werthman, who is evidently one of conservatism’s experts in these things, has failed to note in any of her readings that the Nazis were absolutely against “womens’ rights.” No Nazi would have supported the Equal Rights Amendment. Maybe Werthman could point to an important female Nazi official.
Ilse, she-wolf of the Totenkopf SS
And, Germany’s national health care system was the first of its kind in the world, instituted by Kaiser Whilhelm, I think, long before anyone ever heard of a Nazi. Somebody should remind Werthman. She must have known this having grown up in Austria. She probably just absentmindedly forgot. September 28th, 2009 at 7:14 p.m.
Bismark instituted the German social welfare system. Werthman should get a pass on that; she’s Austrian, and Austria wasn’t part of Germany until annexed by the Nazis in 1938 (see Anschluss in wiki or a reputable history book); her knowledge of German history may be kind of spotty – mostly canned Nazi propaganda. Apart from that, she’s probably been through enough to make a whiny little boy troll crazy; she was just entering her teens when the Soviet Army rolled into Vienna.
September 29th, 2009 at 12:05 pm@ 133. i aint you says: at this point there is no reason to get violent, and to get wound up to that point is not right September 28th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Don’t come around here trying to be reasonable, tain’t.
(snark)
September 29th, 2009 at 12:11 pmAnd you guys were where when the netroots on the left were saying Bush = Hitler?Forgive me if i don’t lose sleep over this. Next time come to the party on time
September 29th, 2009 at 12:30 pmmo’ turkish spam, but not better turkish spam, just the asme turkish spam. thought spam was haram… (the opposite of halal, or as some might say, kosher)
@ 254. gonulhecesi says:
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Thanks
September 29th, 2009 at 12:35 pmSesli Chat
Sesli Sohbet
September 29th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Isn’t it funny when Nazis start going around calling everyone else Nazis? Actually, no. These people are making me more and more embarrassed to call myself a Christian every day. It’s bad enough that they’ve devalued the actual term “Christian” to mean nothing more than “those of us who falsely believe ‘we’ and ‘we alone’ founded this country and everyone else is here without my high and mighty invitation” – it’s not even about God anymore, it’s about getting guns to protect ourselves from everything the TV tells us to be scared of. This brainwashing campaign is directly preying on people’s fear, and particularly fears based on racism, in order to… what, exactly? Keep the insurance companies rolling in dough? When they’re all in jail for having committed terrorist acts against the USA, will it all somehow be worth it because they didn’t have to have an extra 20 cents “STOLEN!!” from their paycheck to cover cancer therapies for children?
No matter how hard we try to spread information and understanding, lies and fear-mongering will always breed faster. And being a sane and well-adjusted person isn’t going to be much of a shield when the moron army decides it’s time. So keep your guns, and buy more guns, and buy more ammunition, for the people being whipped up with nonstop chatter about “taking back America” are the ones WE are going to have to protect ourselves from.
September 29th, 2009 at 1:13 pmIf you are poor well get a job! That is what I do.Even Burger King offers Health Insurance! I find people who abuse Goverment programs those wrong! They are lazy and want the world to take care of them. I do not want to pay for your insurance or your bills I have my own to take care of thank you very much! Just because I attempt to try to better myself through hard work I am a racest and a biggot.
September 29th, 2009 at 1:22 pmAlso have I attacked anyone? I have only stated my opinion about a few things. Do you know why they removed guns from people in New Orleas…because someone shot a soldier. A nice young man who was there to help. Lets also clear up American soldiers have never targeted the Iraqi people. Our ROE has never allowed us to engage innocent by standers. Most Iraqis have died because of insurgents blowing them up! Have you ever met an Iraqi? Most of them love America…or at least that is what they tell us to our face.
Mr. Bush/ President Obama= Hitler. LOL I do not think so. both of them are just men trying to get on top. They both have there own agendas. Sometimes thease agendas make things worse. As far as Mr. Bush sending us to Iraq it was a good thing for the Iraqi people. THey no longer have to live in fear of there goverment.
Everyone is whining about the poor people in America well I do not care. In America our people have ways to find jobs. In Iraq you are poor you die of starvation. No goverment bail outs for big companys because they done bad buessiness. Maybe if we stopped babying the people who refuse to get jobs and stop giving them hand outs maybe just maybe they might one day become productive citizen.
hellenist says:
And you guys were where when the netroots on the left were saying Bush = Hitler?
Already discussed above, in this thread. Go read the comments above yours for your reply.
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SoldierGurl says:
Just because I attempt to try to better myself through hard work I am a racest and a biggot.
No, just because you refuse to recognize how much you rely on the world around you, you are an idiot. You wouldn’t enjoy whatever level of prosperity you have in an economic climate that’s left to decay due to a governmental “hands-off” approach. America wasn’t economically strong through the 20th century because by sheer coincidence every American decided to work hard. America was strong because we invested in America.
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SoldierGurl says:
Do you know why they removed guns from people in New Orleas…because someone shot a soldier.
Citation please? Here’s what I found. No reference to what you’re talking about.
And what about the people in one neighborhood who were shooting at any black people who tried to pass through, while we’re on your tangent?
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SoldierGurl says:
Lets also clear up American soldiers have never targeted the Iraqi people. Our ROE has never allowed us to engage innocent by standers. Most Iraqis have died because of insurgents blowing them up!
Shock and awe.
Iraq Body Count.
I can’t believe you were there and don’t know what we did. Which is why I’m going to assume you’re lying about everything to do with claims of personal history. If you can’t support your argument by talking about your own life, then your opinion is inapplicable to national issues. Anybody can lie about who they are on the Internet. Therefore, I take a standard policy of assuming any personal anecdote brought to bear to support an argument is a lie. Ten out of ten times, I’ve been right.
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SoldierGurl says:
As far as Mr. Bush sending us to Iraq it was a good thing for the Iraqi people. THey no longer have to live in fear of there goverment.
Perhaps, but it’s come at the cost of us having to fear ours. There were no WMD’s in Iraq. There was no possibility of a “connection” between Saddam and Al-Qaeda. If Bush in 2002 had publicy admitted that, but requested authorization based on “it would be good for the people there,” he would have been laughed out of Congress. And if that was the real reason, then why didn’t we invade Myanmar first? Or Rwanda? Or Darfur?
The President of the United States lied in order to start a war. That’s not a good thing no matter how you look at it.
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SoldierGurl says:
Everyone is whining about the poor people in America well I do not care.
There is a name for the notion that people should help one another. It’s called “good.” There is a name for resistance to that notion. It’s called “evil.” These labels have been defined clearly for nearly all of human history. You’re on the wrong side of all ethics. You are an evil person.
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SoldierGurl says:
In Iraq you are poor you die of starvation. No goverment bail outs for big companys because they done bad buessiness. Maybe if we stopped babying the people who refuse to get jobs and stop giving them hand outs maybe just maybe they might one day become productive citizen.
If you like living in hellholes where people are left to starve and die, I suggest you move to one. I will not allow you to turn America into another third-world nation.
September 29th, 2009 at 1:40 pmThe ignorance of this bitter, paranoid right-wing movement insults actual history. Nazism is Marxism? Oh really? What nation was our largest ally in World War 2 in the fight against the fascist extremism that overran Europe and North Africa? It was Russia – the communists – bitter foes of fascism. Putting these two together insults the great sacrifices of the Soviet Union in opposition to Hitler. That single act of resisting Hitler was perhaps communism’s greatest single contribution to the development of our modern society.
September 29th, 2009 at 1:59 pminteresting that an imbecile like Werthmann are invited to speak in the US while she probably is only welcome at neo-nazi rallies in Austria that she claims to be so knowledgeable about. And equally dumb puppy-dog Michele Bachman was just to keen to autograph the vitriol produced by Werthmann. Scariest thing is the power this country has and the amount of fools running around. Hell you might just as well have the Kansas Board of Education run things. Obama has a big job ahead of him.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:25 pmThe room was packed over capacity to hear Werthmann, who grew up as a Christian in Austria and serves as Phyllis Schlafly’s Eagle Forum South Dakota President.
What a coincidence. Hitler also grew up as a Christian in Austria.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:34 pm“I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts.”
Abraham Lincoln
But if your facts are not facts but are really lies produced by those who do not have your intrest at heart what do you have then?
September 29th, 2009 at 2:37 pmSoldierGurl says:
How is the goverment being incharge of health care help anyone?
ElBruce says:
Glad you asked!
Ok, one more question ElBruce. Does the Constitution grant authority to the Federal Government to establish a national healthcare system? And if so, please tell me where in the Constitution you believe that power is granted.
You see, I agree with you that health care needs reform, but it is a State matter and not the purview of the Federal Government. This point is clearly formulated in the Federalist Papers and the evidence supporting their argument for limited Federal power is well supported by the historical record.
The problem I have with most “Liberal” politicians is that the only time I hear the Constitution mentioned is during their Oath of Office when they swear to uphold and protect it. After which they spend the rest of their time attempting to circumvent it.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:39 pm“Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another, but let him work diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence when built.” Abraham Lincoln.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:49 pmWhy should I give up my money that I have worked hard for to somone else?
September 29th, 2009 at 2:51 pm“To stand in silence when they should be protesting makes cowards out of men.”
September 29th, 2009 at 2:58 pmAbraham Lincoln
I’m new to this blog, and have to tell you this is really fascinating stuff! I’m really enjoying all the misspellings soldier girl is writing to prove her points. And I have to agree with #256. I don’t understand why on a liberal blog these trolls are even wasting their time!
September 29th, 2009 at 3:03 pm“I cannot swallow whole the view of Lincoln as the Great Emancipator.” Barack Obama.
Go figure!
September 29th, 2009 at 3:03 pmSoldierGurl says:
Why should I give up my money that I have worked hard for to somone else?
Wrong question.
Correct question is, “Why should I allow the Federal Government to seize my property and redistribute it?”
September 29th, 2009 at 3:21 pmIt is SoldierGurl
September 29th, 2009 at 3:26 pmredbuzzspike I agree. She is good at googling quotes but obviously have not discovered spell check yet. Why do these trolls bother I agree – they can listen to Fox ‘news’ and Rush and live in ignorant bliss – me thinks they protest too much… Maybe all they are doing is trying to convince themselves. Personally I do not think there is any difference between right wing religious nutcases in this country and the same of Muslim believe that flew their planes into the WTC. Different fantasy/imaginery friend same ability to self delude and ignore facts.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:29 pm“There is not a liberal America and a conservative America – there is the United States of America. There is not a black America and a white America and latino America and asian America – there’s the United States of America.” President Barack Obama.
I do not agrea with him much but for once he hit the nail right on the head!
September 29th, 2009 at 3:30 pmI cannot use my google it is in arabic! Don’t ask me why it just is!
September 29th, 2009 at 3:32 pmPeople can give all the money they want to help the poor, or whatever the cause. It’s the correct and noble thing to do.
The Federal Government, on the other hand, should be as limited as possible in it’s authority to seize property from a citizen. The founding fathers recognized this, and the Constitution codifies it.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:34 pmI wouldn’t allow the goverment to take my property but if that is what you think they plan to do…
September 29th, 2009 at 3:34 pm“We need to steer clear of this poverty of ambition, where people want to drive fancy cars and wear nice clothes and live in nice apartments but don’t want to work hard to accomplish these things. Everyone should try to realize their full potential.” Barack Obama
September 29th, 2009 at 3:39 pmSoldierGurl says:
I wouldn’t allow the goverment to take my property but if that is what you think they plan to do…
They’re not planning it, they’re already doing it. In fact, they’re doing one better than that! As part of the latest version of HR3200, they will take your property in the amount of $25,000 AND, get this, they will take YOU and lock you up for a year in federal prison if you don’t buy health insurance or pay the obligatory tax penalty.
Funny, isn’t it?
September 29th, 2009 at 3:59 pmMrConstitution that just cannot be true my goverment
September 29th, 2009 at 4:08 pmwould force me to pay for Health insurance that I do not need or want! That just cannot be true! Who in there right mind would want such a thing? What about the Bill of Rights! My constitution! Why should I have to pay for it I do not want it!
RE: PLC @ 13:
Since I’m Pagan, does that mean that I’m the only one allowed to vote? <];-P
September 29th, 2009 at 4:25 pmWhen you are too stupid to figure out how to get what you want, I guess violence becomes a viable option.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:46 pmSoldierGurl says:
Why should I give up my money that I have worked hard for to somone else?
Because you made it “your” money on the backs of the people who paid for “your” roads, subsidized “your” electricity, and provided “your” city water. No one makes any money anywhere without taking it from someone else.
So can we end the selfishness please?
September 29th, 2009 at 4:54 pmI pay my taxes and my bills I do not ask for a free ride but I demand that I do not pay for free loaders to live off of the money I make. The more money you make the more taxes you pay and if you less money it means less taxes and more goverment benefits that you can abuse.
September 29th, 2009 at 5:08 pmSoldierGurl says:
“I am a firm believer in…
… hijacking the words of the dead to suit my own purposes, instead of producing any coherent argumentation of my own.”
– SoldierGurl
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MrConstitution says:
Ok, one more question ElBruce. Does the Constitution grant authority to the Federal Government to establish a national healthcare system? And if so, please tell me where in the Constitution you believe that power is granted.
Glad to be of service.
Bold added by me for assistance in reading comprehension.
I can’t think of anything that better falls in the category “the general welfare of the United States” than whether its citizens are sick or healthy. Can you? The Constitution authorized Congress to lay and collect taxes to provide for it.
This wasn’t something added by modern politicians. It was placed into the original draft. Before coming here and naming yourself after the Constitution and then trying to lecture us on it, maybe you should have tried actually reading the document sometime first.
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MrConstitution says:
This point is clearly formulated in the Federalist Papers…
That’s all very nice, but the Federalist Papers do not have the force of law. The scope of federal power was controversial then as it is now, and for every Founding Father who agreed, there was another who disagreed.
You might like to think they’re all on your side, but that’s far from the truth. The Constitution establishes government. It does not establish non-government. It is not just a mutual agreement for everybody to leave everybody else alone. Quite the opposite.
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SoldierGurl says:
Why should I give up my money that I have worked hard for to somone else?
Other peoples’ taxes go to help you in innumerable ways. From what I see, you just want to continue to take from the system without chipping in your fair share.
September 29th, 2009 at 5:12 pme_to_the_pOTATO BUG says:
Because you made it “your” money on the backs of the people who paid for “your” roads, subsidized “your” electricity, and provided “your” city water. No one makes any money anywhere without taking it from someone else.
So can we end the selfishness please?
With the exception of the government, “taking” money from people is considered a crime. I have EARNED my money from people who willingly agreed to pay me for services I provided to them through my hard work and ingenuity. People like yourself conveniently forget that the hard work and ingenuity of the productive people in this society has made the SUBSIDIES possible, NOT the other way around. What you should be doing is thanking me for making your subsidies possible. How ungrateful.
September 29th, 2009 at 5:29 pmI pay my taxes! I just do not like when I see people who collect a welfare check every month stay home and watch the Smurfs while I work. Taxes should go into public works like schools and roads not into some bum who does not pay taxes themselves! Why should I pay for your Health Care when I am very happy with my own. If you make more money then me well good for you if you make less well sorry you should have stayed in school! This is America land of opertunity not land of a few support the everyone else.
September 29th, 2009 at 5:31 pmI don’t believe that soldiergurl hates her country or the President as it were. I do assess that she is young in paying attention to politics and therefore has only a sliver of a formed and constructive opinion. Not to say that every persons opninion has gone through a full thought process before being posted.
Back to the root of the issue… using “all” and “always” are very definitive words leading to disaster. I am a Liberal, my spouse and most of his family are Republicans. The point you may ask of this information is to highlight that even within parties there is a broad spectrum of beliefs of what should and should not be. Thankfully I do not have to directly deal with extremist mentality on a daily basis. I did away with that, when I cut out the rotten portions of my own blood family who are just as disgusting as Ms. Werthmann.
When I was younger, my beliefs, unquestioning, were derived from such sick people. I thought the poor and homeless were mooches, lazy and leeches on society. Then something great happened! I had a patient and well spoken person come into my life that brought back humanity. This is what these people have forgotten about and don’t care to remember. If you don’t remember history then you are doomed to repeat it… not verbatum, but the point is put across. Let us not recycle politics like fashion trends. I don’t want to be forced to be barefoot and silent again.
September 29th, 2009 at 5:39 pmAgain soldiergurl…compassion. Should an untimely event happen to your family and you were not able to tend to it on your own, who would help you? Stop seeing ‘everyone’ who recieves assistance as nothing better than the dirt under your shoe. Did you know that one has to be practically destitute to get help? and even then, there are limits. You surely need to look at the real facts rather than premanufacted BS from talk radio sweet pea. If you look at black and white documentation and still have that opinion, then I will give you kudos for actually attempting an informed thought process. Don’t be spoon fed, and take off your bib.
September 29th, 2009 at 5:50 pmI have a nice heart warming story about a bum who I used to pass everyday when I lived in Tacoma Wa. One day my husband wound up with a case of uneaten MREs (Meals Ready to Eat) and my husband was driving by Mr. Nice Bum and decided to be nice. Well he tried to give the bum the MREs but the bum started yelling at my husband that he only wanted cash! The man could of had food for a good 2 weeks! I wonder why he wanted money more then food?
September 29th, 2009 at 6:00 pmBut my dear that is not all homeless people and to judge all on the acts of one is silly and short sighted. Also are you aware that many homeless are veterans that needed help, but society rejected instead of helping those same men and women who went beyond sacrificing their bodies, but their very minds. Those that want money are the one’s that are using drugs and alcohol to treat the insanity they are faced with. Not the right choice but one left to people who were left out to dry. Compassion!!! I do not presume that all can be helped, but the effort should not be stopped at one, two, or ten bad cases. There is always a negative, but one helped is one less mooching off of your precious check. I barely live well enough with a spouse who is a veteran and barely gets any help outside of what I can give him, but we still teach our children compassion so future veterans, homeless, poor and down trodden don’t have to face that same rejection!
September 29th, 2009 at 6:13 pmElBruce says:
I can’t think of anything that better falls in the category “the general welfare of the United States” than whether its citizens are sick or healthy. Can you? The Constitution authorized Congress to lay and collect taxes to provide for it.
“The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected.
The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State. The operations of the federal government will be most extensive and important in times of war and danger; those of the State governments, in times of peace and security. As the former periods will probably bear a small proportion to the latter, the State governments will here enjoy another advantage over the federal government. The more adequate, indeed, the federal powers may be rendered to the national defense, the less frequent will be those scenes of danger which might favor their ascendancy over the governments of the particular States. If the new Constitution be examined with accuracy and candor, it will be found that the change which it proposes consists much less in the addition of NEW POWERS to the Union, than in the invigoration of its ORIGINAL POWERS.
Publius”
Bold added by me for assistance in reading comprehension.
The meaning of “the general welfare of the United States” does NOT speak to health care or anything of the sort. You can’t just make things up because it is convenient to your argument.
ElBruce says:
You might like to think they’re all on your side, but that’s far from the truth.
Direct me to ANY proof or quote that supports your assertion.
Using your logic I could argue the Constitutional powers granted to the Federal Government are limited only to my imagination!
1)How about Food? Transportation? Exercise? How about we just open the doors to the Sports Authority and you just grab whatever gym equipment you need to exercise and stay healthy? Or lets collect taxes and let people just help themselves at the grocery store? After all, there are few diseases that will kill you faster than starvation. So making “Universal Foodcare” should be a priority over “Universal Healthcare”. And how about a car for everyone?
Where does your logic end?
September 29th, 2009 at 6:18 pmI am part of the VA I donate money to them and St Judes onley. If a vet WANTS help they can go to the VA,VFW and American Leigon they do not have to live on the streets. It is a CHOICE. You cannot help anyone unless they help themselves first.
September 29th, 2009 at 6:24 pmOh and for wounded vets there is Th Order of the Purple Heart!
September 29th, 2009 at 6:39 pmsillyrabbit_politicsarent4kids says:
I barely live well enough with a spouse who is a veteran and barely gets any help outside of what I can give him, but we still teach our children compassion so future veterans, homeless, poor and down trodden don’t have to face that same rejection!
Sillyrabbit,
September 29th, 2009 at 6:40 pmYou sound very compassionate and I respect that. I teach my children those same values but I also teach them that it is their reponsibility to be their brother’s keeper, not the Federal Government. Soldiergurl isn’t against helping people, she’s against the Federal Government seizing her property and redistributing it.
Have you actually traversed the VA system lately? I mean other than your welcome back. And in regards to wanting to help themselves, do you typically define a mentally ill person as one who thinks with that sort of logic? Also, I do appreciate the donation of money to those systems, but they are bureaucratic at best. Only a person, of sound mind, being able to force their way through the red tape can get help. I don’t think that your perspective is vain and am glad that you do give, because some is better than none. I don’t think you heartless. My only point is that when arguing a position, one should be the devil’s advocate, to try and see the problem from another view point. Thank you for a good debate and putting up with my baiting. It was my goal for you hear out my view, especially since I take a hands on approach to the very people we were discussing. But if you will excuse me my three kiddos are home from school. We need to do homework and do family time via baking…got colder weather coming on and a battered women’s and children’s center in need of some love;-)
September 29th, 2009 at 6:49 pmMr Constitution
Thank you for your kind words. I do teach my children about helping out their fellow man both personally and indirectly. As for redistribution… if she does her taxes by April and recieves pretty much everything back due to child tax credits and earned income credits then she doesn’t have a problem with it after all. BUT!!!! That is the presumption that she does so and qualifies. I put no words in her mouth and take my leave. Not to cut out on you, but as a small business owner, homemaker, student and volunteer I find a rare moment for a decent debate of consequence. I am grateful that I was able to do so today. Take care both of you, I hope you don’t harbor me ill will as I do not towards you. Debate is the spice of life in our glorious democracy and I’m happy to have shared it with you.
September 29th, 2009 at 7:01 pmMy husband has PTSD and so do I we both go to couceling and I take anger management. No one took us by the hand to help us we done it ourselves. After my husbands 2nd tour he came home with violent flash backs we did not know very much in 2006 about PTSD the Army was still pushing those issues under the rug. If a soldier has issues ask their battle buddy,team leader,comander or Chaplin. I have directed my soldiers to quite a few programs so that they coould get help. BUT I let them know that thease programs can help them if they want them to.
September 29th, 2009 at 7:10 pmsillyrabbit_politicsarent4kids says:
if she does her taxes by April and recieves pretty much everything back due to child tax credits and earned income credits then she doesn’t have a problem with it after all. BUT!!!! That is the presumption that she does so and qualifies.
Yes, but someone has to pay back those trillions that are being spent…and it will be your grandchildren.
I too have enjoyed our conversation today and I hold no ill will towards anyone in this debate. I simply believe that the human spirit is strongest and compassion the greatest when it is nurtured by the family and not through seizure and the threat of imprisonment as is done when it is forced on us by the Federal Government through taxation and redistribution.
I wish you and your family the best.
September 29th, 2009 at 7:15 pmMrConstitution says:
People like yourself conveniently forget that the hard work and ingenuity of the productive people in this society has made the SUBSIDIES possible, NOT the other way around. What you should be doing is thanking me for making your subsidies possible.
First of all, they aren’t “my” subsidies. You get subsidized too.
Secondly, we’re not saying that people don’t work hard and pay their taxes.
It’s not either/or. It’s not the case that either nobody works and pays taxes or nobody gets the benefit of government subsidies. Both of those propositions are false. Most people work and pay taxes, and everybody (including the hard workers) get the benefit of appropriate government investment in the American economic climate.
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SoldierGurl says:
I just do not like when I see people who collect a welfare check every month stay home and watch the Smurfs while I work.
Quick question. Assuming that such a person exists, which you haven’t proven to be the case… if preventing that person from abusing the system meant completely destroying America, would you do it? You’re basically saying that there should be no investment whatsoever in American human infrastructure, which would essentially turn us into a third-world nation, just because a few people might temporarily get an unearned benefit. That’s just nuts. That’s like burning your house to the ground because you saw some ants in your kitchen.
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SoldierGurl says:
Taxes should go into public works like schools and roads not into some bum who does not pay taxes themselves!
What if that poor unemployed “bum” was able to better themselves, get a high-paying job and pay back into the tax system many times over for the rest of their life? Would it be worth it then?
I mean, obviously it would be worth it mathematically, but something tells me you don’t care about math.
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SoldierGurl says:
Why should I pay for your Health Care when I am very happy with my own.
Because the United States cannot afford the burden of the current system on the economy any more.
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sillyrabbit_politicsarent4kids says:
Should an untimely event happen to your family and you were not able to tend to it on your own, who would help you?
Even worse SG, imagine everybody else sneering and looking down on you the way you look down on those who are in need today.
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SoldierGurl says:
I have a nice heart warming story about a bum…
Do you have any statistics? Out of the millions of starving and homeless people in the USA, to what degree does your story account for your data?
One time my wife saw a bum living under an overhang a few blocks down from where we lived, and took him a plate of dinner later on. He was a nice guy, we talked for a while when he brought the plate and silverware back, and he was very appreciative. Never asked us for anything. Name was “Dog.”
Does my story counter yours? I suspect the state of poverty in America is somewhat more complicated than any number of anecdotes can express.
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MrConstitution says:
The meaning of “the general welfare of the United States” does NOT speak to health care or anything of the sort. You can’t just make things up because it is convenient to your argument.
Hmm, if we disagree on how to interpret the Cosntituion, who would break that tie? Oh yeah, good thing that the Constitution says who gets to decide how the Constitution is interpreted: the Supreme Court. Unless of course, you disagree with that interpretation as well, which I haven’t figured out how to account for yet.
Anyway, here’s a thing they said that seems to have some bearing on the question.
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MrConstitution says:
Where does your logic end?
Great question. I don’t want to set up any slippery slopes here.
It ends pretty much at the point where the overall public interest outweighs the sum of the individual private interests. There’s no room for free market innovation in health insurance; the business model hasn’t changed in 70 years: they collect premiums and either pay out or not. The only purpose served by insurance companies was to control costs, which they have failed to do to such an extent that health care costs are currently about to cripple the entire economy. At that point, the interest of keeping the boat we’re all in afloat outweighs each person’s right to drill holes in it.
In all of the other things you’ve cited, there is plenty of room for innovation, and the aggegrate of private interests outweighs the public interest. Thus, they should not be public. But legally they could if it became necessary. Just because something isn’t a good idea doesn’t mean it’s unconstitutional.
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MrConstitution says:
I teach my children those same values but I also teach them that it is their reponsibility to be their brother’s keeper, not the Federal Government.
Sounds like you teach them to say one thing and do another. No charity in the world ever makes enough money to meet its needs. Not even close. The government is the vehicle by which We the People act cooperatively. If you’re not willing to help your fellow man, then just admit you’re not willing to help your fellow man. The proposition has been put forward in the American group, “let’s help each other insure health care,” and you say no. You don’t get to then turn around and claim to be compassionate when no one’s looking. If you’re against us helping each other, then you’re against helping people, period.
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SoldierGurl says:
My husband has PTSD and so do I we both go to couceling and I take anger management. No one took us by the hand to help us we done it ourselves.
So you get help, but nobody helped you get help…? Look, everybody needs other people, all the time. That’s just how the world is. This tough-gal act isn’t making anything you say any more logically correct when it’s not in the first place.
September 29th, 2009 at 7:45 pmIt’s people like her that make false statements about the Holocaust (Ahmidinijab? included) that make me really mad, especially since my dad actually lost a relative at Auschwitz. Oh well, she’s just as uneducated as the people who are listening to her,because if she actually knew anything about Hitler’s ideology, they would know that he was actually conservative, not liberal; a better comparison to Hitler would be Bush, but I think most of you guys here have already said that. Poor misguided idiots with no one to talk to except their Glen Beck and Rush LimpLog (haha!).
September 29th, 2009 at 7:45 pmThank freaking god she didn’t want to Kill Bush you bunch of left-wing hypocrits.
September 29th, 2009 at 8:21 pmJust in case you leftards are too slow to register facts, that’s Results 1 – 21 of about 7,960,000 (0.03 seconds) how often you haters wanted the same damned thing. Phunking Hypocrits!
September 29th, 2009 at 8:24 pmAmerican1st says:
Thank freaking god she didn’t want to Kill Bush you bunch of left-wing hypocrits.
Tell you what, why don’t you and me join sides in condemning the killing of anybody who is the U.S. President, ‘k?
September 29th, 2009 at 8:33 pmI’m 100% with you, on that, ElBruce. The problem (as I see it) is that the left has lowered the level of public discourse for the last 10 years or so,(since the Clinton impeachment) so that it’s now up to them to amend their past actions. Crying “racist!) at any and everyone who has a disagreement with them isn’t garnering them any confidence from me that they feel any different now than when Bush was in office. The left has split this country, with only minimal assistance from the right.
September 29th, 2009 at 8:43 pmFred says:
Add all of them to the list of right wing terrorists that we must monitor and at some point arrest.
You moron, you just proved her point!
September 29th, 2009 at 8:51 pmAmerican1st says:
I’m 100% with you, on that, ElBruce. The problem (as I see it) is that the left has lowered the level of public discourse for the last 10 years or so,(since the Clinton impeachment) so that it’s now up to them to amend their past actions.
LOL! Yeah, the incessant attacks on Clinton and his personal life didn’t lower the level of discourse? Project much?
American1st says:
Crying “racist!) at any and everyone who has a disagreement with them isn’t garnering them any confidence from me that they feel any different now than when Bush was in office.
You being a bunch of racist nazis has split the country. You aren’t disagreeing, you’re threatening, you’re demanding when you are the minority! You are a threat to the democracy and a traitor to our values!
American1st says:
The left has split this country, with only minimal assistance from the right.
LOL! The party of smear and fear that can’t support what the vast majority of Americans want thinks others are splitting the country? What a nutjob!
September 29th, 2009 at 9:28 pmldkennison says:
Fred says:
Add all of them to the list of right wing terrorists that we must monitor and at some point arrest.
You moron, you just proved her point!
What, that people threatening violence as terrorists should be monitored? The DHS has already pointed that out, as has the 30 death threats a day the president receives.
September 29th, 2009 at 9:29 pmAmerican1st says:
Thank freaking god she didn’t want to Kill Bush you bunch of left-wing hypocrits.
Is that why Obama receives 30 death threats a day? What you would call a “right wing surge”?
American1st says:
Just in case you leftards are too slow to register facts,
Conservatives confuse opinions with facts. And you refuse to register them when exposed.
American1st says:
that’s Results 1 – 21 of about 7,960,000 (0.03 seconds) how often you haters wanted the same damned thing. Phunking Hypocrits!
Apparently at least 1/4th as often since there is a 4 times surge in death threats against Obama. No, you would be the Phunking Hypocrite since you lunatics whined about showing respect for the office under Bush and act like a bunch of domestic terrorist against someone that’s only been in office a matter of months.
You radical racist extremists are a threat to democracy and you know it!
September 29th, 2009 at 9:32 pmApparently at least 1/4th as often since there is a 4 times surge in death threats against Obama. No, you would be the Phunking Hypocrite since you lunatics whined about showing respect for the office under Bush and act like a bunch of domestic terrorist against someone that’s only been in office a matter of months.
Hey,Ain’tGotABleepin’Clue, get back to me when there’s a movie made about the assasination of Obama, OK? Phunking Hypocrat Party is alive and well….
September 29th, 2009 at 9:49 pmElBruce says:
The government is the vehicle by which We the People act cooperatively.
That’s a quote from Karl Marx, isn’t it? It is obvious I will not change your mind. You do not differentiate between the State and Federal governments although it is clear the constitution was designed to limit the latter. For you there are no clear limits to Federal power. In your vision of the world, freedom is a commodity that will be given or taken at the whim of the Federal Government.
It ends pretty much at the point where the overall public interest outweighs the sum of the individual private interests.
You are a Marxist. This is the marxist philosophy.
ElBruce says:
September 29th, 2009 at 9:52 pmThe proposition has been put forward in the American group, “let’s help each other insure health care,” and you say no.
That’s not the proposition. Nobody has asked me to help. What is being said is that I will be FORCED to carry a health care policy under the threat of incarceration and bankrupting excise taxes. I actually care about INDIVIDUAL freedoms, but you, the Marxist, could care less about the individual. I would rather have my freedom than my health. But this is a concept the you cannot comprehend. The Marxist knows what is best for me and you will, if possible, force that belief on me by gunpoint through the mechanism of the Federal Government. This is why you do not believe in absolute limits on the Federal Government, because those powers are necessary for you to achieve your ends. Individual rights are the enemy of the collective.
ElBruce says:
The only purpose served by insurance companies was to control costs, which they have failed to do to such an extent that health care costs are currently about to cripple the entire economy.
This statement is absolute rubbish. Insurance companies are there to serve there customers, not control costs. Health care costs are increased for many reasons with the patients just a culpable as the insurance companies for the out of control costs. Explain to me how exactly health care costs are going to cripple the economy? It is a lie of opportunity propagated by the Obama administration. “Let no crisis go to waste” is the Obama theme and a central tenet of the Leftist playbook ripped straight from the pages of “Rules for Radicals”
ldkennison says:
Fred says:
Add all of them to the list of right wing terrorists that we must monitor and at some point arrest.
You moron, you just proved her point!
I have to disagree with ldkennison. Considering the following:
1. Facebook had to pull a poll asking if it was alright to kill Pres. Obama. Secret Service is now investigating.
2. Guns were being brought to areas in close proximity to townhall meetings where Pres. Obama was spekaing.
3. Birthers are still claiming Pres. Obama is not a US citizen.
4. Joe *You Lie* Wilson disrespected Pres. Obama on national TV.
5. During the primary there was repeated hostile and overtly rascist rhetoric about Pres. Obama being Muslim.
6. Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck – the unholy right-wing triune -are constantly spewing hate-filled propaganda against a duly elected president.
Even if all of these examples are not directly attributable to right-wing lunatics, the fact remains that the lunatics are getting whipped up into a frenzy.
These people should not only be watched, but they should be marked as terrorists and be arrested. Inciting to riot, inciting to commit acts of violence, threats against the preident are all AGAINST THE LAW. If they were muslims from Iran inciting to commit violence against the president they would ALREADY be sitting in jail under indictment.
September 29th, 2009 at 9:52 pmI am a racist and a Nazi. Hey your liberal sweethearts, does that make you happy? Just thought I’d start with that since I’ll be called one in short order. The left liberals are a danger to the United States of America. Please leave my country (USA)now (take the ultra-right with you). Your arguments for the most part are flawed and laughable. Most of you are probably little twerps, just out of high school(maybe still there).
September 29th, 2009 at 10:09 pmHey Hardin, MT how’s it goin’?
Can anyone tell me what the local police/sheriff situation is up there?
I heard a strange rumor and I was hoping someone could either verify what I have heard or tell me that nothing is unusual.
Are there some new cops in town?
Thanks
September 29th, 2009 at 10:34 pmAmerican1st says:
The problem (as I see it) is that the left has lowered the level of public discourse for the last 10 years or so…
If that’s how you see it, then you haven’t been looking. Go read the news post at the top of this page.
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MrConstitution says:
That’s a quote from Karl Marx, isn’t it?
No… if anything, I was quoting the U.S. Constitution. And, you know, facts.
Look, if you hate and fear America as established by the Founding Fathers in the U.S. Constitution, that’s one thing; there’s not much room to argue with you if you openly and honestly hate the country you live in. The weird thing is trying to argue with people who claim to love America while they hate and fear the government that literally is the thing they otherwise claim to love. It’s just schizophrenic.
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MrConstitution says:
You do not differentiate between the State and Federal governments although it is clear the constitution was designed to limit the latter.
The Constitution empowers the federal government with certain powers while it limits government both at the state and federal level, as a matter of fact. That which is prohibited to the federal government (via the Bill of Rights, etc) is also prohibited to the states.
I understand the difference just fine. But we are not a confederacy.
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MrConstitution says:
You are a Marxist. This is the marxist philosophy.
OK, now you’re just using that term as a perjorative. It’s clear that you’ve never read any Marx, or you’d never that.
You asked why government shouldn’t control all the means of production. I presented a criteria by which that slippery-slope would be prevented. And then you turn around and call that “Marxist,” a philosophy which maintains that government should control all the means of production.
It’s clear that in your mind, government must be in charge of nothing or else it is in charge of everything. Such thinking simply cannot be reasoned with.
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MrConstitution says:
That’s not the proposition. Nobody has asked me to help. What is being said is that I will be FORCED to carry a health care policy under the threat of incarceration and bankrupting excise taxes.
Mandates are certainly less ideal than single-payer. If you were genuinely concerned with mandates, you’d support single-payer.
But it just sounds to me like you’re supporting your right to not be insured, which would mean that I’ll have to pay even more for you should you get sick and wind up in the emergency room. So not only would you still be living off my dime, you’d demand that it cost me a quarter. And then claim that was your “right.”
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MrConstitution says:
I would rather have my freedom than my health. But this is a concept the you cannot comprehend.
As nobody’s actually threatening your freedom.
I suppose you also suppose gubmit-run fire protection, insisting on your freedom to have your house burn to the ground if it catches fire. It’s all a “Marxist” racket. Hey, maybe that’s why their hats and engines are red!
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MrConstitution says:
This is why you do not believe in absolute limits on the Federal Government…
Stop telling me what I believe, you mouth-breathing imbecile. Of course there are absolute limits on the Federal Government. They are those written in the Constitution, rather than “between the lines” or wherever you’re getting your fantasies from.
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MrConstitution says:
Insurance companies are there to serve there customers, not control costs.
Well, they’re certainly not accomplishing that either.
But the role of cost-controller in the health care sector of the economy is supposed to be the insurance companies. That’s kind of how they justify charging people premiums. They’re failing to deliver any service to their customers whatsoever.
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MrConstitution says:
Health care costs are increased for many reasons with the patients just a culpable as the insurance companies for the out of control costs.
I’m not interested in pointing fingers at which party involved in the system is “to blame” for the failure of the system. I’m just proposing we fix it. But I don’t see where consumers are abusing the system. We’re just not getting enough care for that to be borne out by the data, no matter how effective your “blame the victim” method may be in political discourse otherwise.
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MrConstitution says:
Explain to me how exactly health care costs are going to cripple the economy?
Here is a chart of national health care spending as a % of GDP, by country, by year. Note how the U.S.A. is wildly out of whack with the rest of the world. Unless our health care was far and beyond the best in the world (with whoever’s in #2 a distant second) there’s no reason for it. And it’s not – we’re #37 in the world for quality of care.
In case you hadn’t noticed, there’s a big economic recession going on. The “economic conservatives” have already brought us to the brink of bankruptcy as a nation, due to the same laissez-faire economic principles you’re espousing here, as applied to other economic sectors such as housing and finance. We can’t afford to have this sector of the economy continue to spiral out of control.
September 29th, 2009 at 11:19 pmHey I guess after the forced health care and the goverment coming to my home and and removing any guns from my home I will be told how many childeren I will be allowed to have. Goverment run health care and all.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:18 amSoldierGurl says:
Hey I guess after the forced health care and the goverment coming to my home and and removing any guns from my home I will be told how many childeren I will be allowed to have.
O_o
Yes, that’s obviously exactly what I’ve been saying what with all the typing I did up there… OK, I’m done trying to “fix stupid” here.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:26 amAs far as President Obama being disrespected well so was Mr. Bush while he was in office. I did not see anyone cry tears over that. While our fine hollywood celebrities protested Mr. Bush the war and our armed forces they ate up all the hype about Presiden Obama…
September 30th, 2009 at 12:37 amSoldierGurl says:
While our fine hollywood celebrities protested Mr. Bush the war and our armed forces…
They weren’t protesting those three things. They were protesting Bush sending our armed forces to a war that was based on some lies that he told.
Anybody who justifies the President starting a war based on lies to put our troops in harm’s way for nothing, must hate our troops.
September 30th, 2009 at 1:03 amWeren’t Republicans and Conservatives outraged when then candidate Obama mentioned how certain elements in our society wanted to “hold on to their guns…” He politely left out “ammunition.” This chick is indicative of the hypocritical right wing movement in this country. They espouse to be Christian, but all I ever hear from them is far from Christian ideology and faith. Conservatives are promoting a poisonous climate that can inevitable led to violence and terrorism in this country. The Al Queda may have to take a back seat to our own home grown terrorists who call them selves the Christian right. They are neither Christian nor right (as in correct). I wonder if they ever heard of the Sermon on the Mount? Hmmm…
September 30th, 2009 at 10:24 amTSquare215 says:
I wonder if they ever heard of the Sermon on the Mount?
Jesus was a commie peacenik.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:41 amSoldierGurl says:
“Hey I guess after the forced health care and the goverment coming to my home and and removing any guns from my home I will be told how many childeren I will be allowed to have. Goverment run health care and all.”
Do you ever like, read anything before that oddly working mind of yours forms an opinion?
For one, forced healthcare? You get to keep the healthcare you already have, if you choose to do so.
Removing guns from your house?
September 30th, 2009 at 11:50 amGun owners today have more rights than they did under the Bush administration.
341. DO yourself a favor, ignore this “soldiergurl”, all you’ll get arguing with her is a headache. It’s like banging your head against a rock. You can keep going until you get a concussion, or you can hit the rock with a hammer. Wait til she outdoes herself in ignorant statements, then you can sum it up in one succinct argument and let her sputter.
September 30th, 2009 at 1:57 pmI’d say SoldierGurl is winning the battle here! Right (oops) in the heart of liberal land!
September 30th, 2009 at 3:52 pmI wonder if these ‘Mericans’ realize that many of us liberal or progressives own guns too?
September 30th, 2009 at 3:53 pmOf course these folks are as dumb as a box of rocks. My family is from Germany, lived and died during the time of the NSP. The surviving members of my family are quick to point out that the ‘Mericans’ are far closer to the supporters of Hitler than any one from the left.
I wonder if these ‘Mericans’ realize that many of us liberal or progressives own guns too?
Of course these folks are as dumb as a box of rocks. My family is from Germany, lived and died during the time of the NSP. The surviving members of my family are quick to point out that the ‘Mericans’ are far closer to the supporters of Hitler than any one from the left.
I dont think they really think at all, ’cause if they did, they would probably research and learn what nazism really is. I totally agree with you on these people not knowing that they are the closest thing to nazism, especially since my family is from Germany as well (I’m a 2nd generation US citizen on my dad’s side) and I find this offensive because my dad lost a relative just because his family was/is Jewish.
September 30th, 2009 at 7:41 pmMaybe we should start telling these people to talk to someone who survived the nazis besides Werthmann, like ya know, someone who lived in the concentration camps or lost a relative in the camps, then they will learn that this is nothing like Nazism. Better yet, maybe they should actually gasp…..go to the Holocaust Mueseum so they could actually learn about the Holocaust, Hitler, etc; on second thought, maybe that’s not such a good idea, ’cause there might be another James Von Brunn out there who wants to attack the museum and do more damage than just killing a security guard.
AH! The ignorance, it burns! Has Fox News gotten ahold of this yet? I’m sure they’d love to run wild with it =)
October 1st, 2009 at 12:24 amShayne wrote:
Even Hitler would be amused that these idiots are comparing a man with an African father to him.
Nah, Hitler would gas their skanky a**es.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:36 amsoldierMORONgurl
YOU are a liar. No one ever protested the troops. How in the world did you ever get to be so stupid?
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:01 amWinning HOW zeke? By being so incredibly stupid we cant beleive she is for real?
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:03 amWait , isn’t Hitler the same guy who said that if you had one Jewish grandparent, then you counted as a Jew? Funny thing is, I think he himself had a Jewish grandparent, so I’m suprised he didn’t gas himself, but then again he was Der Fuhrer, so I guess he was too important to go to the camp.
October 2nd, 2009 at 9:28 amIt is ridiculous to compare Obama to Hitler. I own guns and belong to the NRA and I don’t want to be lumped in with that stupidity.
October 3rd, 2009 at 4:24 amThank you for your sharing.!
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:51 amEugeneDebs the idea of people protesting soldiers comes from alot of my buddies going home on R&R from Iraq and getting called baby killers at the airport. Or maybe some crazey Rev coming to Fort Campbell and attempting to protest at a soldiers funeral telling everyone the soldier deserved to die! Soldiers at Fort Rilley not even being able to leave the gates in 2003 because the higher ups were afraid of what might happen to them because of protesters. Back in 2008 in New York when someone blew up a recruiting station and all soldiers were warned not to go to their local malls incase of it happening again. Alot of things do not make it onto CNN maybe you should start looking for answers yourself.
As far as it being a forced health care plan well will I not be paying for it. If I m forced to pay for goverment health care plan that takes away money from me and my family how will I be able to afford to keep my current health care? Who will pay for it when I am forced to pay more taxes to Uncle Sam? Will you pay for it…Noo you will not after all you are trying to force me into paying for your health caare silly me!!
October 4th, 2009 at 11:46 amOh the Rev name was Reverend Fred Phelps. Just for your info.
October 4th, 2009 at 11:53 am