Right-Wing Panel Agrees Obama Is The ‘First Muslim American President’
Right-Wing Panel Agrees Obama Is The ‘First Muslim American President’
At the How to Take Back America conference last weekend, attended by several Republican lawmakers, former Reagan official and prominent neoconservative Frank Gaffney, right-wing historian Bill Federer, and Christian activist Walid Shoebat hosted a panel on “How to understand Islam.” An attendee of the panel asked the three speakers if they would consider President Obama a Christian or a Muslim, given his “roots.” While Gaffney gave a now familiar response linking Obama to the Muslim Brotherhood, Federer and Shoebat provided new theories, which elicited praise from the crowd:
GAFFNEY: If Bill Clinton, on the basis of special interest pandering and identity politics, was properly called the first Black American President, on that same basis, Barack Obama should be called the first Muslim American President. […] But there is evidence that a lot of Muslims think he is Muslim. But whether he is or whether he isn’t, the key to me, is is he pursuing that is indistinguishable in important respects from that of the Muslim Brotherhood, whose mission ladies and gentlemen, we know from a trial in Dallas last year, is to quote to destroy Western civilization from within by its own miserable hand. That’s what we need to keep our eye on.
FEDERER: In Islam, if your father is a Muslim, you’re automatically a Muslim. Since Barack’s father, stepfather, and grandfather were all Muslim, the Muslim world views him as Muslim. Mohammad allowed his warriors to say they’re not Muslim to gain advantage and um, but he’s uh, Islam permits you to lie to advance Islam, Saul Alinsky allows you to lie to advance your communist agenda, you can put them together.
SHOEBAT: I came from an American mother, Obama came from an American mother. I came from a Muslim father, Obama came from a Muslim father. […] Did you know that your President knows how to do the call to the prayer in eloquent classical Arabic? […] No one can do this in classical Arabic language unless he grew up and was raised as a Muslim.
Watch it:
During the panel, Shoebat advocated entering Arab countries and converting Muslims to Christianity. He also went on a rant about how Muslims in meat packaging plants are contaminating America’s food supply because their hands are unclean.
Gaffney has a record of comparing Obama to Hitler — a major theme of the conference — and spreading other absurd reasons for why he thinks Obama is Muslim. As Matt Duss has noted, although it may be difficult to take Gaffney as a serious analyst, his “transparently bigoted” attacks are given a platform on major media outlets. This reason alone is why Gaffney’s smears shouldn’t be ignored.
In the past week alone, Gaffney has appeared as a pundit on Fox News and MSNBC, has been featured in an article in NewsMax, and wrote an opinion column for the Washington Times.
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I guess you fellows had better thank your hero, W, for making the Rethuglican brand so toxic that America would vote for a Muslim, then?
September 29th, 2009 at 2:04 pmWhile we’re at it, might as well have a headline that says,
“Right-Wing Panel Agrees Saddam Behind 9/11, Tax Cuts Boost Revenues and Barney Frank Caused the Recession”
Sheesh.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:04 pm***”
they really like to gather up the hate,
don’t they?
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September 29th, 2009 at 2:05 pmThat would make Bush our first ’special needs’ president.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:06 pm…uh, Islam permits you to lie to advance Islam, Saul Alinsky allows you to lie to advance your communist agenda…
And Being a Republican allows you to lie to advance your GOP agenda….doesn’t it? Except you aren’t supposed to lie if you are a Christian…
September 29th, 2009 at 2:06 pmGAFFNEY: If Bill Clinton, on the basis of special interest pandering and identity politics, was properly called the first Black American President, on that same basis,
I’ve noticed that a lot of wingnut argumentation starts with a big “IF”, but they often proceed as if that “IF” is a given.
Not surprisingly, that “IF” is usually a crock of shit, as in this case.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:07 pmHow can you even respond to something this bizarre?
September 29th, 2009 at 2:07 pmJesus! When are they going to stop with this crap?!! It AIN’T WORKING! Only the fringe and their paranoid Brethern believe this sh*t. Orly Taitz is already a joke (And in serious legal trouble too.) Unreal.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:08 pmAgreed, but less on the basis of “pandering to special interests” and more on the basis of “mental handicap”.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:08 pm#
LibertyLover says:
Except you aren’t supposed to lie if you are a Christian…
Calling themselves Christian is the biggest lie of all.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:09 pm.
One plus one does NOT equal two to these people!
When Obama says he’s an American…
… They say, “Oh no you’re not!”
When Obama says he’s a Christian…
… They say, “Oh no you’re not!”
When Obama says he was raised by a white woman…
… They say, “Obama hates white people and white culture.”
When Obama says he wants affordable health care for all Americans…
… They say, “Keep the profits private and the sick, sick.”
When Obama says he’s a Democrat…
… They say, “Obama’s a Marxist/Socialist/Commie/Fascist”
When Obama says he was duly elected to be President of the USA…
… They say, “Fascist Dictator.”
When Obama says he wants a better future for America…
… They say, “I HOPE HE FAILS.”
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September 29th, 2009 at 2:11 pmGaffney has a record of comparing Obama to Hitler — a major theme of the conference — and spreading other absurd reasons for why he thinks Obama is Muslim.
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Wow — who knew Adolf Hitler was Muslim?
September 29th, 2009 at 2:12 pmThis Take Back America conference sounds more like Nutbags R Us. It’s difficult to take any of them seriously, but I think the Secret Service should be taking notes.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:13 pm.
Q U E S T I O N:
Where does it say that the President of the USA must be Christian?
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September 29th, 2009 at 2:14 pm.
Q U E S T I O N:
Are Religious tests to hold Office, Constitutional?
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September 29th, 2009 at 2:15 pmFrank Gaffney? Isn’t he the one who is always on ‘HardBall’ with Chris(aka.Tweety)Matthews? Unreal. Why does MSNBC allow him on if he is involved with crap like this?
September 29th, 2009 at 2:15 pm.
And if Gaffney’s Great Great somwhere down the line was NOT Anglo…
… Will Gaffney admit it?
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September 29th, 2009 at 2:16 pm“…Islam permits you to lie to advance Islam, Saul Alinsky allows you to lie to advance your communist agenda…”
Ergo, Christianity allows you to lie to advance Christianity, Neocon doctrine allows you to lie to advance Corpo-Fascism, and Reaganism allows you to lie to steal from the middle class.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:16 pmAre these the same people who also like to claim if a Jewish man marries a non-converted wife then their offspring with definitely be Jewish also?
I don’t buy that crap.
NOTE TO MORONS: Religion is NOT hereditary.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:17 pmIn other words, Gaffney is an example of how dark and ugly your soul will look if you let unfettered fear rule your life
September 29th, 2009 at 2:18 pm.
But of course…
… Racists use race and religion to divide a Nation in small, conquerable parts, which Hitler did do!
You know…
… The Gypsies
… The Gays
… The Jews
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September 29th, 2009 at 2:18 pmAs Colin Powell said, Obama is a Christian but if he did happen to be a muslim, what’s so wrong with that?
September 29th, 2009 at 2:19 pmUhh, Toni Morrison was not speaking about Clinton’s ’special interest pandering’ or his ‘identity politics’ when she dubbed him the first ‘black President.’
She was pretty clear: Years ago, in the middle of the Whitewater investigation, one heard the first murmurs: white skin notwithstanding, this is our first black President. Blacker than any actual black person who could ever be elected in our children’s lifetime. After all, Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald’s-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas.[
September 29th, 2009 at 2:19 pmTake Back America
…where, to the Stone-Age???
“Grog like stone”.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:19 pmFirst, I take President Obama at his word, that he is a Christian. Second, I am tired of the Muslim bashing. Yes, there are Muslim extremists, but I am here to say that Muslims cannot be painted with a broad brush. There are many Muslim-Americans who are good people who contribute to America. I believe that there are many good Muslims world wide. They need to get off this particular kick. Maybe the President is really from Krypton and his father was Jor-El, but he is still POTUS.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:19 pmDid you know that your President knows how to do the call to the prayer in eloquent classical Arabic? […] No one can do this in classical Arabic language unless he grew up and was raised as a Muslim.
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Bull. Anybody who has the desire to learn this can learn it. It’s not like a Masonic secret where you have to “belong” to be privy to it.
I’m not a Muslim, and I’m certainly not a native Arabic speaker, but I am familiar with the call to prayer and the salaat because I have friends who are Muslim and I’ve seen them at prayer many times. And when I asked what the words were and what they meant, they were happy to explain.
Barack Obama didn’t get a whole lot of Muslim influence from his father — in the first place, his father wasn’t really an observant Muslim, and in the second, his father didn’t stick around long enough to be much of an influence about anything. However, Obama did spend time in a predominately Muslim country when he was a child, where I’m sure that knowledge of the call to prayer (regardless of whether you were Muslim or not) was about as common as knowledge of the song “Happy Birthday to You” is here.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:20 pmSo the very few want to take back america>>>>>>>>> well then first you need to be a american, which means before you open your large mouth with humming bird mind We The People of the United States of America want you to prove you are A) human B) born here in the USA, birth certs not accepted.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:21 pmYou can pass a basic civics test. Then and only then will We The People will take you all seriously.
No one can do this in classical Arabic language unless he grew up and was raised as a Muslim.
Yes, Arabic is impossible to learn unless you are a Muslim… sheesh.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:22 pmIf they had any balls at all, they’d just put their robes and hoods on and burn a cross.
But they’re cowards, so they won’t.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:22 pmSHOEBAT (or should I call him SHOEBATSH**-CRAZY) stated in part:
September 29th, 2009 at 2:22 pmDid you know that your President knows how to do the call to the prayer in eloquent classical Arabic? […] No one can do this in classical Arabic language unless he grew up and was raised as a Muslim.
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So, I guess all those non-arabic arabic translators, cia operatives, et al, shouldn’t be able to speak perfect arabic then, eh SHOEBATSH**-CRAZY?
No one can do this in classical Arabic language unless he grew up and was raised as a Muslim.
Anybody can learn how to do this. It’s called getting an EDUCATION. I bet anyone can Google a site in less than 10 minutes with audio on how to do exactly that.
What a complete idiot.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:22 pmtombaker says:
If they had any balls at all, they’d just put their robes and hoods on and burn a cross.
But they’re cowards, so they won’t.
Well, they probably will… but they won’t announce that conference to the press is all.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:23 pmThis kind of ignorance is impenetrable by ordinary logic.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:23 pmNo one can do this in classical Arabic language unless he grew up and was raised as a Muslim.
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Whadda IGNORANT FOOL . .
So if your parents are say ‘American’ and work in say ‘Egypt’ and say you are born in ‘Egypt’ and you have lived in this country for five years and have listened to the ‘call to prayer’ FIVE TIMES A/DAY IN ARABIC, day after day . .
So NOW you’re a MUSLIM because you have committed the prayers to memory in Arabic??
My ‘Catholic’ kids attended a Jewish summer sleepaway camp and they prayed before each meal. My kids are now adults and they can STILL recite prayers in HEBREW. Does this make my kids Jewish?
Mr. Shoebat is an IDIOT!!
September 29th, 2009 at 2:24 pmDid you know that your President knows how to do the call to the prayer in eloquent classical Arabic? […] No one can do this in classical Arabic language unless he grew up and was raised as a Muslim.
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Really?
I can do it and I wasn’t raised as a Muslim. It’s pretty easy if you don’t trip up on the illas and Allahs and 3las and stuff.
I’m sure it’s even easier to pick up if you grow up hearing it five times a day echoing from every mosque in town.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:24 pm… and apparently, at least 4 of us thought the same thing when we read what Shoebat said about the call to prayer.
I mean, really, is he really THAT dumb? Is he faking it somehow?
September 29th, 2009 at 2:25 pm.
SOEBAT says:
Let me guess…
… Soebat speaks one language. A’Mercan?
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September 29th, 2009 at 2:25 pmNote to Reich-Wing Christianistas: The crusades failed. The crusades are why the Muslims hate our guts. Let’s start a new crusade. Now, which one of those three sentences doesn’t belong? Warning, your answer will determine whether you are a dumbass or not.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:25 pmEvery day we get to witness how low the neocons can go. Just when we thought they hit the bottom, they show us they can go lower. No wonder the Republicans are in free fall.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:27 pm.
Why does Soebat hate people that are bilingual?
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September 29th, 2009 at 2:27 pmHere. I Googled it. The Muslim call to prayer.
According to Mr. Shoebat, if you listen and learn how to call it, you’re a Muslim. Prepare to be Muslimized!
September 29th, 2009 at 2:28 pm.
You know…
… The immigrants
… The Gays(this never changes, why?)
… The Muslims
SAME SH!T, DIFFERENT TIME AND PLACE.
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September 29th, 2009 at 2:29 pm“Did you know that your President knows how to do the call to the prayer in eloquent classical Arabic? […] No one can do this in classical Arabic language unless he grew up and was raised as a Muslim. ”
First of all, my understanding is that President Obama’s father wasn’t an especially strong practicing Muslim.
And by the logic above, since I learned the words from a Wagner Opera, that makes me Siegfried. If so, I want my Spear and Magic Helmet !
I’m wondering if I should wager that there is probably a book out there named “Islam for Dummies” that gives the full details!
September 29th, 2009 at 2:32 pmPuhleez. Everyone knows Obama was implanted with a memory chip by his reptilian alien masters from planet Zoombyou – this what this guy Shoebat says is just wrong. We can prove it if PBO just shows his long form universal alien birth certificate.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:32 pmNow I see how it works. The Republican insurgents actually go to conferences and hold workshops where they bounce lies off each other until they even believe the lies, themselves. I suppose this is necessary before going public, in order to make their followers believe their fantastic tall tales.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:33 pm#39 pags2,
There’s a bottom for these (R)’s to hit?
I can’t wait for that call for aisle clean-up duty…
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September 29th, 2009 at 2:33 pmWhat kind of John Birch cult ceremony is this,
educated men lining up to “witness” the extent of their paranoia and cultural bigotry?
There are so many levels of ignorance condensed in this three minute clip, my jaw is imbedded in the floor.
What ugly Americans.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:33 pmReality agrees that the right wing panel is full of extremist lunatics.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:34 pmJesus H. Christ on a cracker!! How could so many alleged adults be so g*ddamned RETARDED?????
September 29th, 2009 at 2:35 pmIt’s a Jingo Jihad.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:35 pmThe opposite is true. In Judaism if the mother has not converted the children are not considered Jewish. I would bet Muslims are the same.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:35 pmRemember all those Arabic translators who got kicked out of the military intelligence? They were all hte gay.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:36 pmShoebat has jumped Noahs Ark!
September 29th, 2009 at 2:36 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
If these f ucktards honestly think is the best way to “take back the country,” then I say keep up the good work!
I will happily trot out every single YouTube video of these racist bigoted dooshbags whenever they start with their assholierthanthou routines.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:37 pmSo if he’s Muslim, why did he hold a Beer Summit at the White House?
September 29th, 2009 at 2:37 pmwe know PS – you’re even less rational than the TBA crowd.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:38 pmYes, we know why you hate him.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:39 pmPS – you had your chance at the ballot box, and now that time is done.
we don’t re-vote weekly.
the next Pres. election is in 2012.
who will you vote for then?
September 29th, 2009 at 2:39 pm.
Q U E S T I O N:
WHY DOES RELIGION MATTER?
… Not too indoctrinated are we, G(no)P?
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September 29th, 2009 at 2:40 pmWeird accusation, since I’ve not ONCE seen Obama wear or heard him sing the praises of muslin over any other type of processed cotton…
September 29th, 2009 at 2:41 pmPolitically Superior says:
Is ‘Superior’ code for irrelevant?
September 29th, 2009 at 2:42 pmA panel full of ignorant, racist As$holes…reichwing circle jerk.
Politically Inferior is showing off his mental prowess again today…
…nice to see just how stupid stupid can get.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:42 pmYes, we know why you hate him.
Weren’t they using religion to backstop their hatred, shoeless?
He hates Obama for the color of his skin, simply put.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:43 pmThe collective fathers of Gaffney, Shoebat, and Federer must have been jackasses and thus their sons are jackasses. These things are taught by the fathers. Don’t misunderstand; I have np quarrel with any particular group of beast of burden.
As for lying, I don’t believe that any one group has the market cornered. The Catholic church in America lied for so long about the child molesters in their midst. Lying is a human weakness and does not apply to any one group. Odd that these men lie while berating others for the same sin. Hypocritical jackasses.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:43 pmTry to stay on topic. We are talking about President Obama, not Bush.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:44 pm.
Why use facts when one can argue basslessly?
More so, what is it called when the media picks up the factless, baseless Gaffney as a poster boy for the dissemination of tabloid trash vs. hard hitting journalism.
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September 29th, 2009 at 2:44 pmAgain, it’s called the “How to Take Back America conference,” not the “How to Win Back America conference.” Just like to keep pointing that out.
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But whether he is or whether he isn’t, the key to me, is is he pursuing that is indistinguishable in important respects from that of the Muslim Brotherhood, whose mission ladies and gentlemen…
… is submission to the will of God, respect for one’s fellow man regardless of race, creed or nationality, and the desire to live a life of peace and purpose. There’s vast quantities of literature on the purpose of Islam, compiled for millenia. Many millions of Muslims throughout the world are kind, quiet good citizens who mind their own business, and don’t have an evil word to speak about anybody.
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FEDERER: In Islam, if your father is a Muslim, you’re automatically a Muslim. Since Barack’s father, stepfather, and grandfather were all Muslim…
News Flash: Federer subscribes to Islamic doctrine!
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missmolly says:
Wow — who knew Adolf Hitler was Muslim?
Gaffney probably thinks Hitler was black.
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missmolly says:
Bull. Anybody who has the desire to learn this can learn it. It’s not like a Masonic secret where you have to “belong” to be privy to it.
Yep.
Now I’ll admit that looks like a bit of a tongue-twister to me, but I could probably memorize how to say it given a day or so, if I felt like it. Any Google search comes up with a lot of video and wav files to make sure it’s easy to get right. Most religions try to make their basic prayers and tenets accessible and easy to understand, go figure.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:45 pmPolitically Inferior says:
Don’t care if hes a muslim. The reason I don’t like him has nothing to do with religion.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Please enlighten us as to why you don’t like President Obama. Please go into detail, and don’t leave anything out.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:45 pmIt is true, by Islamic rule or law, that muslim men are allowed to marry outside their faith and their children are muslims, as well.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:46 pmBut, everything I have read has indicated that Obama’s mother did not marry his father in an islamic ceremony, so their marriage is not recognized as legitimate.
Stupid people saying stupid things isn’t news.
I mean, look at the FoxSuckers spewing hate 24/7.
That’s not news, it’s racist gossip and outright lies.
We have no law against being stupid, but repeating the lies should be illegal.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:46 pmHow long does a guy have to be a member of a Church before the nuts will accept that he’s a Christian?
And on this topic does it mean nothing to these people that Obama has placed at least two devout Christians in high office?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Collins_(geneticist)
September 29th, 2009 at 2:47 pmthe babbler is just another of those without the historical or political acumen to make a fit comment on any topic, hence the half-assed attempts at churlish innuendo…
finally, someone for Slappy to feel superior to!!
September 29th, 2009 at 2:47 pmyou shouldn’t post this stuff. you just amplify the stupidity.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:47 pmPolitically Superior says:
Things that came out in 1987:
- The first Simpsons cartoon.
- The first Guns ‘n’ Roses album.
- The first Final Fantasy game.
- Politically Superior.
I wouldn’t listen to the political views of Homer Simpson, Duff, or these guys, would you?
September 29th, 2009 at 2:48 pmGee, I had no idea that one’s religion is dictated by DNA. If the father’s Muslim and the mother’s Christian, then what’s the dominant gene?
September 29th, 2009 at 2:48 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
But, everything I have read has indicated that Obama’s mother did not marry his father in an islamic ceremony, so their marriage is not recognized as legitimate.
What’s more everything Obama has SAID is that he’s a Christian… He did sit in that ‘church’ for years, right guys? I wonder how many believe that the United Church of Christ is a Muslim ‘church.’
September 29th, 2009 at 2:50 pmSomeone better tell my Grandparents… they’re both UCC ministers and will be awfully surprised to learn they’re Muslim.
Politically Superior says:
Obama already admitted that he smoked marijuana and did some coke on the side while he went to college. Bush did coke, and I’m sure clinton smoked marijuana and maybe did some coke on the side. It’s not uncommon.
But it is uncommon for to elect an Alcoholic and Drug Addict like George Bush was…
September 29th, 2009 at 2:51 pmElBruce says:
Again, it’s called the “How to Take Back America conference,” not the “How to Win Back America conference.”
Which is hilarious, when you consider the footsoldiers in this little “Army to Take Back America.” A lady I work with has a “I want my country back” sticker at her desk, and she’s three hundred pounds if she’s an ounce. I guess they plan on taking it back from their comfy cubicle chairs. Or better yet, how about a “Scooter Brigade” of fat, hyperthyroids? Oh, but then they would need somewhere to recharge their chairs – and that would be too much like socialism, if they had to recharge from a public source.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:52 pmOh and the other Devout Christian Obama picked? she’s Regina Benjamin better known as Surgeon General Benjamin and don’t tell me she’s a fake Catholic she’s got awards from the Holy See it’s self.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regina_Benjamin
September 29th, 2009 at 2:52 pmThere is no Muslim or Christian “race,” so it’s not something parents pass on to their children.
However, stupidity is easily passed between parents and children, as Gaffney so ably demonstrates.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:52 pmBabble on and on and on Sister says:
No kidding! Not to mention smoking dope and snorting copious amounts of cocaine. Obviously not very Islamic.
We aren’t talking about George Bush. Although he and his family were so close to the Bin Ladens that he was George Bin Laden according to people that knew him… LOL! ;)
September 29th, 2009 at 2:53 pmOne day they scream that Obama sat is Reverend Wright’s church for 20 years and must be a radical and the next day he’s a Muslim.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:53 pmrighties are into synthetic opiates these days…
keeps’em buzzed and supports big pharma,
and that’s a win-win righties can believe in!!
September 29th, 2009 at 2:54 pmFrom the Wiki(emphasis is mine)
I knew that first name looked familiar….
How did a gaddamned PLO terrorist get citizenship?????
Here’s the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walid_Shoebat
September 29th, 2009 at 2:54 pmGaffney and people like him are making tons of money because of Obama.I’m constantly amazed at the stupidity out there,but that’s what makes money.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:54 pmWe ought to hold a ‘We’ve got America’s back’ conference… one where we discuss how to prevent nonsense and fools like these from ruining our country…
September 29th, 2009 at 2:54 pmSince his actual father wasn’t a practicing Muslim none of this makes any sense.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:55 pmHow about you PS? Wanna’ be a commander in the Scooter Brigade? Just make yourself a little hand-drawn sign saying “Commander” and the other authoritarian freaks will fall into line behind you.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:55 pmThese bozos must get their talking points from freeper, I mean seriously…. of course no one says one bad thing about Sarah Palin’s creepy cult-like religious affiliation, has been lauded by the nutters for being a special prayer warrior, and blessed by some crazy crank that was praying her protection from witchcraft in front of the congregation, where she was fully participating. These asshats are just speculating.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:55 pmFEDERER: In Islam, if your father is a Muslim, you’re automatically a Muslim.
SHOEBAT: I came from an American mother, Obama came from an American mother. I came from a Muslim father, Obama came from a Muslim father.
So Shoebat is a Muslim? He’s lying to promote Islam? How can you trust him?
Islam permits you to lie to advance Islam, Saul Alinsky allows you to lie to advance your communist agenda, you can put them together.
How can you put them together? To explain why Obama is an Islamic Communist? Since they both allow lying, it means they go together?
They seem to be missing a key part of their argument: logic.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:56 pmZooey says:
There is no Muslim or Christian “race,” so it’s not something parents pass on to their children.
No but if we’re going to discuss who’s a muslim and use that as the basis for this discussion we can have some real fun!
According to Islam, All children are born Muslim because the are innocent! Even Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck were Muslims by the rules of Islam! LOL!
September 29th, 2009 at 2:57 pmHay, when do we pass the kissing snake around this place
September 29th, 2009 at 2:58 pmHow do we know that Walid Shoebat, a PLO terrorist, is not a lying, fake Christian to promote Islamic causes?
September 29th, 2009 at 3:00 pmSince Shoebat was an PLO terrorist,has he been pardoned for his past activities thst include murder?
September 29th, 2009 at 3:00 pm96% of Israeli Jews claim that President Obama is a Jew Hater and an Anti-Semite. Some Israelis are on record (see youtube video) saying they would shoot Barack Obama if they had the chance.
With friends like Israel, who needs enemies?
http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2009/09/200992261458462792.html
September 29th, 2009 at 3:00 pmJedi.
But, all joking aside:
Just like no one can learn how to read Don Quixote in the original Spanish unless they were raised in a Spanish-speaking country. Or, unless they had to read it in Spanish class like I did.
Fridge logic loses. You, sirs on the panel, but especially Shoebat, may go straight to jail. Do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars. Lord only knows what you will spend it on.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:01 pmOk lets say Obama II was a Muslim at birth because his father was a Muslim at birth (it should be noted that according to Obama II his father was not a Muslim when Obama II was born).
Why haven’t conservative muslims threatend Obam II yet?
According to the freepers Muslims are supposed to kill those who leave Islam.
PS Obama had his daughters baptized and frankly I don’t think any crypto-Muslim would go that far since that would send their children to hell.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:02 pmIslam permits you to lie to advance Islam
That’s a Lie. Islam only permits you to lie if your life is in immediate and real danger. Otherwise it’s blaspheming.
Saul Alinsky allows you to lie to advance your communist agenda, you can put them together.
LOL! Who permits you Fascists to lie to advance your Right Wing Agenda? Was that the “Warrior Jesus” that the Third Reich devised? Or was it Goebbels that urged people to tell the “big lie” because it would be more easily believed?
LOL! The lying wingnuts accusing others of their own hypocrisy and crimes. How very Nazi of them! LOL!
September 29th, 2009 at 3:02 pmI think it’s time for the Apaches to have a conference on taking back Geronimo’s skull that dubya’s grandfather stole for his Scull and Bones cult.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:02 pmPffft. At least Chalabi promised a rose parade.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:03 pmFrom the wiki:
September 29th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
During the panel, Shoebat advocated entering Arab countries and converting Muslims to Christianity.
How is this possible? Couldn’t they just lie, like he’s claiming Obama is doing? Wow, these people are completely insane!
September 29th, 2009 at 3:06 pmdixie blood says:
A lunatic evangelical that spouts violence and lies? Shocking! Unbelievable! Unfortunately that describes the entire teabagger radical terrorist movement…
September 29th, 2009 at 3:08 pmPhyllys’s little camp out sure is providing a revealing look at the desperate dregs of the Religious Conservatives. Teabaggers who shop in Paris.
Funny. It looks like the last ones left were also the first ones in. We’re are just about whittled down to the survivors of Fallwell’s “moral majority” and their kids. A pity it took thirty years for most of America to recognize just how wrong they are.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:08 pmLet’s face it, it’s not about religion, it’s not about policy, it’s simply about his pigment. Ignorant Republifcuks don’t realize the world is passing them by.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:09 pmRepublicans are so very sick. They are beyond salvation i’m afraid.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:10 pmdixie blood says:
From the wiki:
Critics have questioned Shoebat’s story as well as those of other alleged converts from Islamic terrorism, saying they are evangelical Christians falsely claiming to be former Muslim terrorists.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
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Doesn’t surprise me. There’s also a bit on his wiki biography about the bombing of the Bank Leumi in Bethlehem he confessed to having participated in.
Bank Leumi insists that no such bombing ever happened.
So either all the people who died in the bank bombing came back to life and are lying for Islam, or it didn’t happen.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:10 pmGood question. Seems all threats are coming from conservative “Christians” in his own country. I bet very few of the 30 death threats a day Obama receives comes from conservative Muslims.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5967942/Barack-Obama-faces-30-death-threats-a-day-stretching-US-Secret-Service.html
September 29th, 2009 at 3:11 pm#107 just the bleepn facts,
Please read my post at #88 and you will see how extra wingnutty, batshit crazzzzy these bastards are….
September 29th, 2009 at 3:11 pm…went on a rant about how Muslims in meat packaging plants are contaminating America’s food supply because their hands are unclean.
Ouch. So very bitterly racist, it boggles the mind.
I had to check my calender to see what year it was…
September 29th, 2009 at 3:12 pmDuring the panel, Shoebat advocated entering Arab countries and converting Muslims to Christianity.
Who is up for for a good old CRUSADE!
September 29th, 2009 at 3:13 pmchiroptera toasterhead says:
Doesn’t surprise me. There’s also a bit on his wiki biography about the bombing of the Bank Leumi in Bethlehem he confessed to having participated in. Bank Leumi insists that no such bombing ever happened. So either all the people who died in the bank bombing came back to life and are lying for Islam, or it didn’t happen.
According to Google Books, he was gonna bomb the bank but instead he threw the bomb to the roof. So I’m guessing the Bank didn’t considered a roof slightly scorched as a “bombing”.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:17 pmBTW here’s Juan Cole s comments on this whole Obama is a Muslim apostate because his father was a Muslim nonsense
http://www.juancole.com/2008/05/is-obama-apostate-or-bush-reply-to.html
September 29th, 2009 at 3:17 pmOT:
Speaking of crazed wingers and the Huckster, has everyone seen conservativekids.com? I think it’s where our little trolls get their talking points. Indoctrination of the most vile kind.
http://conservativekids.net/liberalism.html
September 29th, 2009 at 3:19 pmWould that the true native inhabitants of this land could “take back America.”
September 29th, 2009 at 3:20 pmMuslim meatpackers with unclean hands?
That’s some amazing ignorance.
Muslims are downright OCD with their personal hygiene,
September 29th, 2009 at 3:21 pmespecially handwashing.
@ 88 dixie blood says:
From the Wiki(emphasis is mine)
Walid Shoebat (Arabic: ???? ???????), a former PLO terrorist [1], is an American citizen, born to a Palestinian father and American mother.
Here’s the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walid_Shoebat
I knew it….reichwing pallin around with terrorists…just sayin
September 29th, 2009 at 3:22 pmMapleStreet says
September 29th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
I’m wondering if I should wager that there is probably a book out there named “Islam for Dummies” that gives the full details!
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There is indeed such a book:
http://www.amazon.com/Islam-Dummies-Malcolm-Clark/dp/0764555030
Also, “The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Understanding Islam”
But the call to prayer is something that is easily googled.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:23 pmI think the threat of domestic terror has FAR surpassed ANY threat of international terror. We suffer more casualties on American soil every year since 2002 due to “domestic terrorists” and right wing fringe fanatics, then we do by threats from foreign organizations or “cells”. The hate that spews from the television set, the am/fm dial on your radio, the internet, and traditional literature are overwhelmingly enveloped with a right wing railroaded hate origin conducive to the underdeveloped bias populace heightened to new extremes by ratings whores such as Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh. The path that the 20% minority have chosen to indulge is reminiscent to the civil unrest procured in the 1960’s by the same roots in which we see today stemming from hooded clansmen toting nooses and burning crosses. If you can honestly say, the current bearings brought on by the misplaced anger, roused to boiling point by appointed representatives and paid pundits doesn’t frighten you in the slightest, then you my friend need to pay closer attention. http://www.LeftOfCenter44.com
September 29th, 2009 at 3:28 pmThe way to take back America is to get rid of the repug party and their wingnut followers.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:31 pmbarfly says:
Or better yet, how about a “Scooter Brigade” of fat, hyperthyroids?
Yeah, they can ride those scooters they advertise on TV with how you can have the company write it off on your Medicare for you.
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Papirini says:
Jedi.
Has anybody had Obama’s midichlorian levels tested?
September 29th, 2009 at 3:32 pmjusasoldier says:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walid_Shoebat
I knew it….reichwing pallin around with terrorists…just sayin
September 29th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
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If that bio is accurate, Walid Shoebat is the Forrest Gump of Palestine. He knew everybody, from Grand Mufti Hussein to Yassir Arafat to Mahmoud Barghouti. Who’d have thought that a half-Palestinian nobody from Bait Lahm would’ve gotten to associate with every single person the future Christian Zionist movement would despise?
September 29th, 2009 at 3:32 pmSeems like you have to have a cranial-rectal inversion in order to understand the “logic” of these people.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:33 pmYet cable news programs continue to give Gaffney a legitimate outlet for his views. Just assume all incongruous thoughts into one ball of fomented hatred and fear in the gullible public.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:38 pmObama is a muslim? I didn’t know Rev. Wright was a muslim.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:50 pm#126 chiroptera toasterhead,
Please read my post at #105 and you will see that there is a lot a skepticism as to Walid Shoebat’s story.
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During the panel, Shoebat advocated entering Arab countries and converting Muslims to Christianity.
Didn’t we try that in The Crusades? How did that work out? Why should now be different? Because we are in the End Times?
September 29th, 2009 at 4:26 pmWhat whackos!
WTF WAS this “How to Take Back America” conference anyway? The level of insanity is so high, it’s hard to believe it wasn’t some sort of joke.
Did people actually pay to attend this thing?
September 29th, 2009 at 4:33 pmOh now they’re worried about prayers.
And funny how we had a president involved in fueling violent “Islam” and gov’t crackdowns but it was Reagan so he is free and clear to them. Plus helping Saddam.
New evidence came out that Bush didn’t understand the bailout bill/process and they’re worried about hypothetical job performance of one of “them.”
If he aced Harvard and then went to help in Chicago that’s irrelevant? Character, qualification
September 29th, 2009 at 4:43 pmWe could have a Muslim as president and not go into anarchy. Heck a true Christian might shock the system… the President has gone into the wilderness for payer expected back next week, hehe… or just a true Sabbath?
Has a single man or woman ever won a primary? Non-believer? A Jewish person?
Meh, most of them have power as their religion. They aren’t going to church pot lucks or Bible studies.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:54 pmOh if they’re this nutty we need to get their official stance on Catholics and the Jewish community (not just cherry-picking Israeli hawks).
Write Minneapolis off for another 25 years, let alone Manhattan or most of LA. And maybe if the electoral college goes away…
September 29th, 2009 at 4:57 pmsinge_101 says:
New evidence came out that Bush didn’t understand the bailout bill/process and they’re worried about hypothetical job performance of one of “them.”
If he aced Harvard and then went to help in Chicago that’s irrelevant? Character, qualification
The Republicans cannot stand the fact that Obama is extremely smart. I would venture his IQ is probably the largest of a president in the last century. He got through Harvard on his own merits, rather than affirmative action. Obama was on law review which is open only to the top 3% of the class. On the other hand we have GWB whose family bought his degrees and his businesses after he graduated. There is no contest between Obama and Bush.
September 29th, 2009 at 5:10 pmDuring the panel, Shoebat advocated entering Arab countries and converting Muslims to Christianity.
And yet moments before, he said once a Muslim, always a Muslim, so according to him, they can’t convert. Seems he wants it both ways- or at least both wrong ways- his.
September 29th, 2009 at 5:20 pmAmazing that this drivel from conservative Republicans is taken seriously. But alas, it is the reason that I can no longer even attempt to support the Republican agenda. My forbears made up a long list of Republicans but even so, they were progressives who spent their efforts in taking care of the least among us. Unfortunately, the Republican Party has lost contact with regular people and their main emphasis is maintaining power by whatever type of disgusting Nixonian election fraud they must use, sad to say. The rational Republican era is over and the vast wasteland of racism now lives comfortably inside the Republican Party. And that, my friend, is a sad commentary on the demise of our party.
September 29th, 2009 at 5:22 pmmari2RR
I feel your pain, mari2RR. But, may I suggest that you will feel better if you stop thinking the GOP is your party anymore. I take no joy in the demise of a party that abandoned me, and I suspect you, a long time ago. But it wasn’t “ours” for long before that. They aren’t for anybody because they don’t recognize the same reality as the rest of us.
I would be delighted if there were, at least, two healthy vibrant parties in our country and I think it’s dangerous to give a monopoly to any single group. But? The fact remains that the GOP is no longer a viable political party and those who still claim membership can’t be trusted to make rational decisions.
September 29th, 2009 at 5:31 pm#137 pags2 says:
“The Republicans cannot stand the fact that Obama is extremely smart…”
Might I amend this statement to include: “…and a knee-grow.”
Can’t tell the players without a scorecard.
September 29th, 2009 at 5:32 pmI did not need to read any further once I saw Frank Gaffe-ney mentioned in the piece. That discredited fool goes on Hardball everytime and just makes sh!t up. So harldy surprising that he would be out in left field on anything. I swear the guy must drop acid, he is so out of touch.
September 29th, 2009 at 6:30 pmhttp://www.change.org/actions/view/demand_congress_stop_funding_private_armies_in_the_middle_east
If we don’t stop this then who will?
September 29th, 2009 at 7:04 pmFEDERER: In Islam, if your father is a Muslim, you’re automatically a Muslim. Since Barack’s father, stepfather, and grandfather were all Muslim, the Muslim world views him as Muslim. Mohammad allowed his warriors to say they’re not Muslim to gain advantage and um, but he’s uh, Islam permits you to lie to advance Islam, Saul Alinsky allows you to lie to advance your communist agenda, you can put them together.
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Typical self-justifying, conveniently twisted neoconservative logic — which pretty much means that it’s full of more holes than a block of Swiss cheese.
If my understanding is correct, any biological child of a woman who practices the Jewish faith is similarly considered Jewish automatically and will be accepted as such by other Jews. However, this by itself does not automatically mean that the child in question will view and identify himself or herself as Jewish — and in the same vein, the mere fact that Obama is the son of a Muslim man and may be perceived as a Muslim by some members of that community does not by itself mean that Obama chooses to view and identify himself as Muslim Federer’s argument implies that only other people have the right to decide and determine who we are — that how a person chooses to identify himself or herself is completely irrelevant and meaningless, when nothing could be further from the truth. If I decide that Federer is an egotistical, intolerant, narrow-minded, self-serving, and intellectually deficient buffoon, does that by itself automatically make him one? No, of course not — because I know that my opinions and perceptions of him do not by themselves define who he is in any meaningful way other than in my own mind.
This is where Federer’s so-called logic falls down and shows itself to be circular — it’s clear that his own preconceived ideas regarding who Obama is, regardless of whether these do or do not reflect some degree of subconscious racism, are already fixed to such an extent that facts are meaningless to him. This is why Federer has erroneously assumed that Obama is unquestionably lying when he denies being a Muslim, simply because certain individuals advocating religious or political beliefs which Federer opposes have condoned deception in the past — but this by itself does not automatically prove that Obama is a liar. Nevertheless, in typical neoconservative fashion, Federer wants this to be true and therefore believes that this by itself means it must be true — because the possibility that he might not be correct is one which he completely refuses to accept.
This is nothing more than a variation of the same so-called logic which neoconservatives used regarding Saddam Hussein’s alleged cache of WMD in Iraq. The reason why we didn’t find them, they say, is simply because we didn’t dig deep enough or in enough places — and everything was probably secretly transported to Syria anyway! The likely possibility — that there never were any such caches in the first place — is one which they simply refuse to believe could be true. This is why neoconservatives are to say the very least emotionally stunted and incredibly juvenile (if not completely out of touch with reality). Not only do many (if not most) of them have grossly overinflated sense of their own capability, they are quite clearly utterly convinced that the world is under some sort of unwritten obligation to meet their standards and fulfill their every expectation. Nice work if you can get it, of course…but nearly every human being who’s capable of thinking objectively realizes fairly early on that this is quite simply not true and that real life doesn’t always (indeed, doesn’t usually) turn out exactly how we want it to be or think it should be.
September 29th, 2009 at 7:31 pmIf Bill Clinton, on the basis of special interest pandering and identity politics, was properly called the first Black American President, on that same basis, Barack Obama should be called the first Muslim American President.
WTF? I didn’t know there was a lower score than 0 on the logic portion of the SATs.
September 29th, 2009 at 7:43 pmSo what would a child born to a man he never meets be? Does he then get to chose his roots? More holes then swiss cheese. The right losses yet again.
September 29th, 2009 at 8:04 pmDuring the panel, Shoebat advocated entering Arab countries and converting Muslims to Christianity.
Didn’t we try that in The Crusades? How did that work out? Why should now be different? Because we are in the End Times? — Keith
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I find myself reminded of a quote from Mahatma Gandhi which he made in response to a question concerning his experiences and observations of Christianity as embodied by the British. I’m having difficulty finding the exact words of the quote — but what he said in essence was that had a majority of the British truly lived up to the Christian principles which so many of them claimed to espouse, Hinduism would eventually have ceased to exist because all the Hindus would have chosen to convert.
Food for thought, considering that Gandhi was himself very Christlike in many ways — and also considering the fact that he and his followers achieved a nonviolent victory over what was at that time considered to be one of the world’s most formidable superpowers.
September 29th, 2009 at 8:10 pmmy fondest memory of gaffney was the time chris matthews shot him down trying to conflate 9-11 with iraq. he looked like someone tasered him in his genitalhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ms8HdFAznss.
September 29th, 2009 at 8:41 pmSo, despite the attibution of “Christian activist”, this Shoebat dude must be a Muslim, according to Gaffney and his own frackin’ self.
What was Gaffney’s dad? An idiot? Or just a lowly cretinous acolyte in the Church of Our Lady of the Holy Presumptuous Assumption?
September 29th, 2009 at 10:37 pmFrank Gaffney = one sick puppy
September 29th, 2009 at 10:42 pm@ 144. Bluestocking says: Typical self-justifying, conveniently twisted neoconservative logic — which pretty much means that it’s full of more holes than a block of Swiss cheese.
If my understanding is correct, any biological child of a woman who practices the Jewish faith is similarly considered Jewish automatically and will be accepted as such by other Jews. However, this by itself does not automatically mean that the child in question will view and identify himself or herself as Jewish — and in the same vein, the mere fact that Obama is the son of a Muslim man and may be perceived as a Muslim by some members of that community does not by itself mean that Obama chooses to view and identify himself as Muslim Federer’s argument implies that only other people have the right to decide and determine who we are — that how a person chooses to identify himself or herself is completely irrelevant and meaningless, when nothing could be further from the truth. If I decide that Federer is an egotistical, intolerant, narrow-minded, self-serving, and intellectually deficient buffoon, does that by itself automatically make him one? No, of course not — … September 29th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
This must be exception that proves your point, Bluestocking. If you describe Gaffney as you did above, you’d be correct; it’s just that your description is not what makes him an arsehole. He was all of that, and had other obnoxious attributes before you took notice of him. Of course, no one’s allegations about another make the recipient of the praise or canards the description, but it certainly may color everyone else’s perception. So how about this;
At one point, Grover Norquist called Gaffney a racist and a bigot. They’ve since made up, but if Grover Norquist was pushed by this bozo to that point, there may very well have been a whole load of frackin’ truth to the allegation.
September 29th, 2009 at 10:55 pmContaminating our meat, huh? Any bets on how long it will be before our precious body fluids are in danger?
September 29th, 2009 at 11:58 pmHe also went on a rant about how Muslims in meat packaging plants are contaminating America’s food supply because their hands are unclean.
Only somebody raised Muslim would be that worried about cleanliness. Just saying.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:25 am@153. ElBruce says: “He also went on a rant about how Muslims in meat packaging plants are contaminating America’s food supply because their hands are unclean.” Only somebody raised Muslim would be that worried about cleanliness. Just saying. September 30th, 2009 at 12:25 am
Maybe he’s a closeted racoon? Just a simple-minded obsessive-compulsive? Keeps kosher as a hobby?
September 30th, 2009 at 12:58 amGaffney seems to be unaware that being born the son of a Muslim has very little to do with Obama’s religious persuasion at this time. Perhaps Gaffney is unfamiliar with the process called conversion??? Or maybe he is just intent on spewing misinformation. Now that sounds like the more reasonable explanation of his lack of being factual. Obviously, particularly in America, one’s religion is a matter of one’s own choice. President Obama attended the Punahoe Christian School in Hawaii. Punahoe is a very fine Christian school operated by the Congregational Church. It has a reputation for very high academic standards. So Mr. Gaffney, if you ask me who knows best the religious persuasion of anyone, I always defer to the person in question. That is, unless I would want to just rabble-rouse and not even be concerned with making prejudicial assumptions or even being factual. Of course with Gaffney, one nay correctly presume the latter two explanations are distinct possibilities. It is the old racial mumbo jumbo to try to make someone into a “not like us” sort of person
September 30th, 2009 at 5:05 amrepugs can’t make up shit to fuel their fake rage. The idiots.
October 1st, 2009 at 10:09 amOT:
Speaking of crazed wingers and the Huckster, has everyone seen conservativekids.com? I think it’s where our little trolls get their talking points. Indoctrination of the most vile kind.
http://conservativekids.net/liberalism.html
October 2nd, 2009 at 3:42 pmOMG, I just clicked on that link, and its scary. Huckabee sounds kind of like a “dictator” in this, since he’s telling kids how to think. Oh well, I guess the best way to indoctrinate the next generation is to start when they’re young. The section on the “Free Market” and “Global Warming” were pretty entertaining, though.
Ok, I know this is a little O/T:
October 2nd, 2009 at 4:05 pmQ. How many wingnuts does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
A. None, since God hasn’t created the lightbulb yet!!
Thank you for your sharing.!
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:37 am