Senate Finance Committee votes 15-8 against Rockefeller amendment on public option.
By on Sep 29th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Senate Finance Committee votes 15-8 against Rockefeller amendment on public option.
The Senate Finance Committee just voted 15-8 against an amendment offered by Sen. John Rockefeller (D-WV), which would have established a self-financing robust public health insurance option. Democratic Sens. Max Baucus, Kent Conrad, Blanche Lincoln, Bill Nelson, and Tom Carper voted with the Republicans to defeat the provision.
Update The Senators who voted for the public option: Sens. John Rockefeller, Jeff Bingaman, John Kerry, Maria Cantwell, Ron Wyden, Chuck Schumer, Bob Menendez, and Debbie Stabenow.
Update The Committee will vote on a public option amendment offered by Sen. Chuck Schumer next. Sen. Bill Nelson has already said he will vote for that amendment.
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pretty obvious whose side they’re on.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:02 pmThis is very unfortunate, and not a good sign.
I sincerely hope this was not the only amendment on the table.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:03 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
It looks like the for profit HMO’s are getting their way. This is a very bad sign.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:04 pmFrom the amendment: The CCHP shall not include abortion, except in cases of rape, incest, or the life of the mother. It also prohibits the expenditure of Federal funding for abortion and it requires the segregation of funds to ensure that no Federal dollars pay for abortions.
So, what will the asshats use for an excuse? It already gave them what they wanted, and they still voted no. At this point it’s clear these traitorous dems would have voted against no matter what the bill contained.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:05 pmWell we know who to push out of the senate.
but Shulmer D NY (Spelling) has a amendment coming up as well and Wyden D OR has a third.
So theres hope still
September 29th, 2009 at 3:06 pmHooray, now let’s all go cancel out health insurance policies en masse.
According to Republicunts, the emergency rooms are always available.
*spit*
September 29th, 2009 at 3:07 pmPerfect; it’s exactly transposed from the public view, which would be about a 16-7 vote in favor of a public option.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:07 pmThere’s a couple of other versions of the PO being offered, right? And after they vote those down, I hope we get to tear the bill up and start over…
September 29th, 2009 at 3:07 pmOne thing this has done, it has made it abundantly clear to the constituents of these dogs (no offense to real dogs) what side they are on. Get ready to become lobbyists! You’re going to be out of a job – like the rest of us!
Get ‘em on record. 2010 election should be exciting (or exiting for some).
Thank you, Mr. Rockefeller, for your efforts.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:08 pmNew petition demanding our tax dollars no longer fund “private security firms” notorious for inexcusable behaviors.
http://www.change.org/actions/view/demand_congress_stop_funding_private_armies_in_the_middle_east
and help to invoke honest politics. It starts here:
http://www.change.org/actions/view/end_the_pay_to_play_campaign_practices
September 29th, 2009 at 3:08 pmDoesn’t even Billo support a public option?
September 29th, 2009 at 3:08 pmHow special.. you get to be at the mercy of the health insurance death panels and most likely be forced to buy health insurance or be penalized. We now know who runs this country, not us, but the corporations with deep pockets and the greedy money whore politicians they bought.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:08 pmT R Reid was right. He said on 09/14 that there’s not much hope for a robust public option at the Federal level. He predicted that Congress will pass something called “health care reform” and that the Democrats will claim victory… And that’s EXACTLY what’s happening now! :-((((
He also predicted that early next year, some 25 states will have the public option on the ballot or on the table in their respective legislatures. He thinks that’s how health care reform will happen in the US – state by state. Kinda like how the Canadian system was adopted first by Saskatchewan and then by the other states over the next several years..
September 29th, 2009 at 3:09 pmShaking hands
September 29th, 2009 at 3:10 pmRevolving doors
Butt scratching
still a ways from that whole “fat lady sings” part, folks.
no real need to jump any sharks just yet.
everyone’s heard of “reconciliation”, right??
September 29th, 2009 at 3:10 pmThe Rockefeller amendment was the strongest public option out there; Schumer’s amendment is supposedly geared towards “wider support”.
Expect a slimmer margin of loss.
Still, this doesn’t herald the end of real reform. Not by a longshot.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:13 pmNone of us are safe while the Senate Finance Committee is meeting.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:14 pmI think Schumer’s amendment is close in form and substance to Rockefeller’s. I think it has the self-financing mechanism in it as well. Just not nearly as good as Rockefeller’s. But it will still do the job.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:14 pmThis is good! Not the vote direction, but the “know thy enemy” part. The vote they took seals their fate in the eyes of 80% of the population. We shall not forget (and TP will remind those of us who do!)
September 29th, 2009 at 3:15 pm2010, theme = time to take out the trash!
They should call it the Senate Finance Alliance Committee
September 29th, 2009 at 3:16 pmThe only “reform” going on in that building that we’ve all paid for is a slight change in which pocket the health insurance companies’ money is going into — from the left pocket to the right pocket, but still into the pocket of Baucus et al.
Next time, gang of fools, don’t bother even trying; we can see right through your charade. Or, as The Outlaw Josie Wales would say, “don’t pi$$ down my leg and tell me it’s raining…”.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:17 pmPrimary, primary, primary,primary, primary! Every single one of those blue dogs dinos need to be primaried and voted out of office. They were warned and they had their chance. Fire ‘em.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:18 pmWell it has to get out of the committe then it goes to be combined with the other bill (HELP) which the public option cal be put back into it. Also it has to be merger with the house bill and all three of them have a PO.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:20 pmSo all is not lost!!! (yet)
Well we now know who is being controlled by the HMO’s and there is also hope with Schumer’s amendment.
If the public option is finally and fully shot down then we need to get all those who voted against it out of the senate and congress. They are going against the public’s wishes for the corporation’s wishes.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:21 pmwhirlaway says:
He also predicted that early next year, some 25 states will have the public option on the ballot or on the table in their respective legislatures. He thinks that’s how health care reform will happen in the US – state by state. ears..
With the revenue issues that the state budgets have these days, don’t count on any state developing a public option anytime soon.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:21 pmextreme bills on both ends shot down, working towards the middle.
This is far from over.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:23 pmLincoln, and whoever else of this group who is running for Senate in 2010 have moved a big step closer to losing their seat.
We’ll see how they vote on the Shumer Amendment.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:26 pmIf Nelson’s on board, expect Carper to come with. The real challenge will be stringing along Conrad or Lincoln (Snowe has been known to surpirse, but that’d be a shock at this point)
September 29th, 2009 at 3:28 pmRemember these names…
Max Baucus, Kent Conrad, Blanche Lincoln, Bill Nelson, and Tom Carper.
Remember to vote next November.
We will not forget your corporate allegiances, Senators.
We will not forget you turning your backs on your constituents.
We will not forget that money means more to you than health.
We WILL NOT FORGET.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:36 pmI find this totally blatant disregard for the wants and needs of the American people appalling. But, at the same time, I’m not surprised. The only thing I believe that will finally get their attention is to stop paying for insurance, stop paying taxes, flood the emergency rooms with any medical issue and refuse to pay. Do it by the millions each and every day. Don’t bother waiting for the next election to vote for someone new because all you’ll get is the next whore in waiting. Protest the wars not by marching on Washington, DC, but by surrounding Halliburton and FOX noise.
You can’t reason with our politicians. The only thing they’ll recognize is to stir up a shitstorm that even they and the MSM cannot avoid.
Oh, and btw, wouldn’t the headquarters of United Healthcare, Wellpoint, Anthem, et al look more appropriate painted red to represent all the blood on their hands from all the people thay’ve killed due to their depraved indifference to human suffering? Just a few suggestions.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:37 pmFred # 27,
“Working towards the middle.”
Unfortunately, working towards the middle in todays politics means giving the republicans 95% of what they want. Most dem.’s lack the guts to do what’s right for average americans.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:38 pmDemocratic Sens. Max Baucus, Kent Conrad, Blanche Lincoln, Bill Nelson, and Tom Carper voted with the Republicans to defeat the provision.
F uck that shit.
These Senators need to lose their seats next time they’re up for election, and I’ll do everything I can to see that it happens.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:39 pmTeflon Don says:
Yes, you’ll vote with anything with a (d) after it’s name…..
September 29th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
And you’ll vote for ANYTHING that doesn’t.
*yawn*
September 29th, 2009 at 3:40 pmTeflon Dick is being cutesy; stay classy, Troll…(D)umbshit.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:40 pmI just hit each of their web sites stating that we NEED a public option!!
Oh, and Canada has provinces… :)
September 29th, 2009 at 3:41 pmBaucus just announced he’ll vote against Schumer’s amendment.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:43 pmThose of us Liberals who have supported the Democratic Party in the past are watching these deserters with a keen eye and little room in our hearts to cut them any slack.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:43 pmMax Baucus, Kent Conrad, Blanche Lincoln, Bill Nelson, and Tom Carper better start making retirement plans.
.
Teflon Don says:
Remember to vote next November.
Yes, you’ll vote with anything with a (d) after it’s name…..
Still better than a Republican. But we’re going to have to get more active in the primaries to put up people who are actually interested in fixing some of what the GOP broke.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:44 pmDoc Rock says:
Those of us Liberals who have supported the Democratic Party in the past are watching these deserters with a keen eye and little room in our hearts to cut them any slack.
Or how about NO slack. There is NO excuse not to pass a public option. There is NO excuse for the American people to have to struggle to pay exorbitantly high prices for health care.
In the next election vote against ANY politician that has not voted in favor of a public option.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:47 pmEvery single one of those corporate whores in Congress ought to be forced to wear the logos of every GD corporation who has donated more than $1000 to them – like a NASCAR driver.
Bastards.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:47 pmBaucus is covering his ass (from the wrath of his corporate masters) and voting against the Schumer amendment, believing it cannot get 60 votes (horseshit).
That means Conrad and Lincoln MUST support it if it’s gonna make the final committee bill.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:49 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
The Schumer amendment has failed.
No R votes.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:52 pm49.
And you failed Civics.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:52 pmkwsventures says:
Harkin failed math.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
You fail humanity.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:53 pmbelaccifer lacca says:
TD-
Wanna bet?
60 for cloture… 51 to pass.
Welcome to health care reform.
Still scared, TD?
September 29th, 2009 at 3:54 pmIt’s coming…
This comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Schumer’s bill was killed in committee 10-13 :(
September 29th, 2009 at 3:54 pmWith Schumer’s amendment defeated 13-10 it looks like the Senate bill that finally emerges will not have the public option to merge with the House bill.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:56 pmTeflon Don says:
interested in fixing some of what the GOP broke.
Just like I said on another thread…laying the ground work to blame the Republicans! Right on cue!
and right on cue for you>>>>>>>> and about those threads why having you answer any questions that was put to you?
other then you have no idea what it is you are fighting for.
just name one good reason for not having heatlh care for all of us real Americans.
just one thats not a talking point.
thanks
September 29th, 2009 at 3:57 pmTD and CG…
Harkin got it right… read what he said… the FLOOR is friendlier to the ‘public option’ than the committee… The HOUSE is even friendlier than the SENATE FLOOR…
60 votes for cloture.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:57 pm51 votes to pass.
TD and CG crying in their beer but have no fear, it’ll be good for you too!
Uh, you’re the one who said it would get past committee, remember? ;)
See #62.
The committee is not the end, remember? ;)
September 29th, 2009 at 3:58 pmconservative guy says:
It’s nice to see some democrats with the good sense to vote against the public option.
And it is so good to see that you are championing the for profit HMO interests even though they really don’t care about you or your health.
Go away troll!
September 29th, 2009 at 3:58 pmOK, evidently Schumer’s amendment has also been killed 13 to 10. Conservatives doing touchdown dances around here may, as usual, be celebrating too early. This just may lead to a more liberal bill instead of a more centrist.
The Senate is under no obligation to use any bill from the Finance committee to go to markup. They’ll just choose the bill from the Health and Human Services Committee that has a public option in it and the questions will revolve around filibuster and getting to 51 votes on the floor.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:59 pmhttp://www.senate.gov
I just fired off this email to each of those DINO bastards:
You work for WE THE PEOPLE, Senator, NOT the friggin’ corporations. STOP SELLING US OUT. We the People deserve THE PUBLIC OPTION. Who needs Republicans when we have YOU????
And Don? Go fcuk yourself. I hope you get in a bad accident and go bankrupt trying to pay your damned hospital bills, you heartless, soulless, brainless MORON.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:00 pmOoops… NineFan nailed it… Sorry, TD!
;)
September 29th, 2009 at 4:00 pmAs a Delaware resident, I’m watching you Tom Carper. If you don’t vote for the Schumer admendment you better be ready for a strong primary challenger in 2012.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:01 pmNo shit, sherlock. You said it would pass today, remember?
I said 60 votes for cloture.
51 votes to pass and that it was coming.
Remember, Watson? It’s elementary, really… no, really.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:01 pm;)
kwsventures: “Harkin failed math.”
Maybe Harkin wasn’t worried about the Finance committee bill because he’s in the Health and Human services version which will hit the floor with a public option.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:02 pmTeflon… the insurance lobby is not the ‘People’
September 29th, 2009 at 4:03 pmMaybe that’s why you are confused…
TD and CG,
Don’t mind having blood on their hands.
‘Out, damn’d spot! out, I say….Yet who would have thought the american people to
have had so much blood in them?”
My apologies to Shakespeare
September 29th, 2009 at 4:03 pmTurdman Don: Repug doesn’t know squat, this thing is far from over. Repugs are dipshits all.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:04 pmTeflon Don says:
3 d’s voted against upChucks bill.
I didn’t know Limbaugh had a bill? LOL! ;)
September 29th, 2009 at 4:06 pmTeflon Don says:
The committee is not the end, remember? ;)
No shit, sherlock. You said it would pass today, remember?
People with sh!t for brains shouldn’t use that language! LOL!
I seem to recall you predicting that reform would never pass. Then again, you’re barely literate so what do you know. Right Haggis for brains? LOL! ;)
September 29th, 2009 at 4:08 pmRepugs running anything is a bad idea, thats exactly why government is screwed up Turdman Don.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:09 pmFolks, let’s not get too excited about this. All this means is that it was a useless exercise to wait for the Finance committee. I was never confident that the Finance Committee would even finish any reform, much less with a public option. The six Senators they had working on it represent a grand total of 3% of the population. There are two other bills – one from the House and one from the Health committee (which should be the one doing it anyway). Both will go to the floor with public options.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:09 pmI wish the trolls would pick one of the following:
1. Obama is doing too much.
2. Obama is doing nothing.
3. Obama is doing everything wrong and/or too fast.
4. Obama is doing everything wrong and/or too slow.
These statements are mutually exclusive yet the trolls seem to interchange them to suit the day’s talking points.
NOTE: I assume the trolls can handle substituting “Democrats” for “Obama”. I hope the task isn’t beyond them.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:09 pmTeflon Don says:
It’s baffling how you progressives could even fathom the gov’t running health care, successfully.
Really? What’s baffling about that? Ever heard of Medicare? Just ask the elderly how they like it and compare that to Americans dealing with private insurance! LOL!
Teflon Don says:
They break everything they touch.
Who is this “they” you speak of? Republicans? LOL!
Teflon Don says:
It’s simply baffling.
Adult topics are always baffling to children.
Teflon Don says:
Do you need drugs that bad?
Says the lunatic drug addict who needs an asylum! LOL! ;)
September 29th, 2009 at 4:10 pmTD & CG
Ignoranus’s both.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:10 pmGovernment programs work great, as long as Republicans aren’t administering them! LOL! ;)
September 29th, 2009 at 4:11 pm82. Ninerfan is right, sorry about Farve on Sunday.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:11 pmTD-
It helps that most of us understand how the Government runs… you know, like understanding that the finance committee votes are not the end of the ‘public option’
Maybe if you understood your Government a little more you wouldn’t be so afraid of it providing a ‘public option’
But then you might learn how well all the other countries do with Universal Healthcare and it might blow your liver-snap mind…
;)
September 29th, 2009 at 4:11 pmTeflon Don: “It’s baffling how you progressives could even fathom the gov’t running health care, successfully. They break everything they touch. It’s simply baffling. Do you need drugs that bad?”
Well there is our Veterans Administration, Medicare and Medicaid, systems that work very well when funded properly. And, I do recall that our government was able to take on two of the worlds most powerful industrial powers in a World War and win that thing. And how do you think you got an interstate highway to your end of hicksville, brain trust? The magic of the market? Our government does a lot of things very well. You’re just too stupid to realize it and appreciate it.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:12 pmOh SNAP!
NinerFan just put you to bed, TD!
I wouldn’t try and get up for a little while, that’s gonna smart!
September 29th, 2009 at 4:13 pmTeflon Don says:
It’s baffling how you progressives could even fathom the gov’t running health care, successfully.
Yeah, it’s not like government run plans are more popular than private ones.
60 percent of seniors enrolled in Medicare Managed Care rated their plans a 9 or 10.
Compared to.
Only 40 percent of Americans enrolled in private health insurance gave their plans a 9 or 10 rating.
Ironic you want to defend private insurance when it’s proven that public insurance is better! LOL! ;)
September 29th, 2009 at 4:14 pmDemocrat in name only Sens. Max Baucus, Kent Conrad, Blanche Lincoln, Bill Nelson, and Tom Carper…
…bought and paid for by their corporate masters…
…fcking scum bags.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:14 pmHey Rab, thanks, but I’m used to it. Farvre is something like 13 and 2 against the Niners.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:14 pmI agree, NinerFan. The Finance Committee bill hasn’t had much support since the first leaks. The prevailing wisdom seems to be that it’s the most problematic of the various drafts whether it contains a public option or not. HR 3200 still seems to be closest to what a reconciled bill will look like.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:14 pmTeflon Don says:
Hsu gets 24 yrs! LOL!
When is Cheney going to go to jail? LOL!
September 29th, 2009 at 4:15 pmTeflon Don says:
It’s baffling how you progressives could even fathom the gov’t running health care, successfully. They break everything they touch. It’s simply baffling. Do you need drugs that bad?
well we could use you BS on the farm as much as you spread with your lips.
and once again name one thing the gov can not do?
and at lease answer why its so bad to have heatlh care for We The People?
pleases do not let your constipation of the brain over load the diarrhea of your lips.
thanks
September 29th, 2009 at 4:16 pmHypothetically, if McCain had won and was presenting this same exact healthcare proposal, word for word, what do you folks think would be the outcome?
September 29th, 2009 at 4:16 pmWe know that if McCain had a 60/40 Republican majority it would likely pass about 85/15(the 15 being all Repubs). A Democratic majority would most likely lose about 8-10 Dems, but pick up an astounding 15-18 Republicans.
Of course this is a hypothetical because if McCain had won we woldn’t be anywhere near reforming healthcare one little bit.
And even if McCain was proposing the same spending policies that Pres. Obama is trying to implement to turn our Country around(thanks to 8years of Bush and Republican fiscal irresponsibility) we certainly wouldn’t have been witness to the Townhall screamers who claim they are just trying to get there Country back.
How dissapointing can these Senate Dems be?
I wish I had $4 Million dollars to donate so Sen. Baucus could find it in his heart to do my bidding!
NinerFan, you forgot the Internet which was funded and designed by Government folks! ;)
September 29th, 2009 at 4:16 pmbuckie boy, I think Nelson and one other voted for the Schumer amendment because that was 13 to 10. The question will be whether these Dems vote for cloture because this version will not be the one they end up debating on the floor.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:17 pmTeflon Don says:
Walter Reed ring any loony bells? Gov’t ran!
You mean the hospital that privatized and was no longer run by the Government? It was a great hospital before Bush privatized it.
Teflon Don says:
DMV?
It’s not a standalone entity, the fees don’t go to run the DMV, they go to fund roads.
Teflon Don says:
Post office?
Good luck sending a letter anywhere in the US for 44 cents with a private carrier! LOL!
September 29th, 2009 at 4:19 pmIt’s a great example of why the Government
Come Haggis, don’t you have anything of substance to post? Or are you going to keep spewing those childish talking points that have been debunked a million times? You’re looking even more foolish than usual! LOL!
September 29th, 2009 at 4:20 pmTeflon Don: “Walter Reed ring any loony bells? Gov’t ran! DMV? Post office?”
Informed people know what happened to Walter Reed. After years of neglect under a Republican congress and a Republican White House, it’s finally being refurbished because of Democratic votes. Your DMV is run by your state.
And the Post Office? Tell you what. You figure out how to get a letter to Nowheresville from Outthereville for 38 cents and you get a cookie.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:21 pmTD?
Done trying to argue that the ‘public option’ is dead?
Psst… 60 votes for cloture, 51 to pass… repeat it to yourself softly…
September 29th, 2009 at 4:21 pmTeflon Don says:
Post office?
Lets see how private carriers have done?
UPS has been stung by the recession, reporting a 10% decline in net income for the third quarter. FedEx, meanwhile, slashed its 2009 earnings outlook based on “significantly weaker macroeconomic conditions.” And DHL, once seen as a serious competitor, has largely pulled out of the U.S. market, leaving some 9,500 employees without jobs.
Yeah, the Post office is a mess! LOL! What lunatic fringe comments you make! LOL!
September 29th, 2009 at 4:22 pmTeflon Don says:
Suddenly the gov’t is golden….TDF!
Suddenly the private sector is incapable of competing? LOL!
September 29th, 2009 at 4:23 pmTeflon Don: “Suddenly the gov’t is golden….TDF!”
You need to think about and work on this tendency you have to black and white, all or nothing thinking. Nobody around here thinks the government is golden. That’s a product of your own mind. You claimed the government can’t do anything. History shows that you are not correct about that.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:23 pmTeflon Don says:
just the bleepn facts says:
Thanks, patsy!
Thanking yourself again? For being willing to look like an ignorant fool in the name of right wing radical ideology? LOL!
September 29th, 2009 at 4:23 pmTD says:
#1 in Spending but #37 in Care is good?
Beyond weak.
Maybe we can get you some Iron Supplements after this healthcare reform passes… ;)
September 29th, 2009 at 4:24 pmTeflon Don says:
NinerFan says:
Cheap is good? Weak at best.
Don’t understand capitalism do you? LOL!
September 29th, 2009 at 4:24 pmNinerFan says:
You need to think about and work on this tendency you have to black and white, all or nothing thinking.
In the world of the fascist corporatists, corporations=good and democracy=bad. That’s because corporations are governed with a fascist structure that the extremists identify with! LOL!
September 29th, 2009 at 4:25 pmTeflon Don: “Cheap is good? Weak at best.”
OK, he’s getting incoherent. We’re going to need an interpreter.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:25 pmTeflon Don says:
Walter Reed ring any loony bells? Gov’t ran! DMV? Post office?
LOL>>> i though you could actually come up with one that was not given to you by your handlers.
Walter Reed was a primer hospital went it was part of the US Military. its now a VA and well your buddy bush defunded the VA and well theres only so mush you can do with out money.
DMV is state run
And as far as the post office goes well lets see you get a letter picked up and delivery hundreds of miles in a day or so. that is not a bad job. and what 100B pieces of mail a year.
SO once again if you could come up with a original problem then say it.
And answer questions asked of you if you want answers back.
thanks
September 29th, 2009 at 4:26 pmDon, you do realize that this was almost 2 months ago and things change, right?
September 29th, 2009 at 4:35 pmBut comparing the government plan to a bankrupt postal service may not help a President who just slipped today under 50 percent approval in one poll.
Keep swinging away. It hilarious.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:36 pmBafger1 #99,
Imagine Palin trying to explain the intricacies of health care. Now that’s funny. Thank god, McCain didn’t win.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:36 pmDon thinks the Postal Service is going bankrupt but he’ll be screaming like a little girl if they increase the cost of a first class stamp by a few cents.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:37 pmThe Post Office, which does not raise revenue through taxes, faces a $7 billion loss for this fiscal year, and is slated to close approximately 700 or more offices across the country.
And that’s like the public option, because…
September 29th, 2009 at 4:38 pmDon: “Nothing has changed.”
In your feverish dreams.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:38 pmNice rebuttal..:)
Was #128 more to your liking?
Heh.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:39 pmNothing has changed.
So, you ARE scared that the public option will put private insurers out of business? Like the post office has?
It’s hard to follow your ‘logic’
PS- do you see how the ‘public option’ is coming, yet?
September 29th, 2009 at 4:39 pm60 ONLY needed for cloture… 51 needed to pass… hello, healthcare reform!
Is that what a progressive considers “successful?”
No, getting a wingnut to try comparing a tax-funded program, with one that doesn’t use gov’t funding, is golden.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:40 pm51 to pass, and they’ll be there when they’re needed, Donny.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:42 pmSheesh! Our troll’s Mommy really needs to hide her meth better, or take it with, when she goes out. The kids are the real victims.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:43 pmTeflon Don says:
So what dose it take to have you answer just a few simple questions?
Are you capable to speak and think for your self? or is that not aloud there at white wing wrong side party HQ in the closet of a basement under a horse dump?
lets see why is it bad to help and or try to make life better for all real Americans. I know I know seeing you are not really a American i can understand why you have to parrot the talking points.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:44 pmTD,
Is Australian and he works for Rupert Murdoch.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:46 pmOf course, our stupid troll doesn’t know, because the “librul media” hasn’t provided FAUX a story to respond to, is that the current difficulties with the Post Office can be summed up in three words.
1. Fuel
September 29th, 2009 at 4:46 pm2. Recession
3. Fuel
Teflon Don says:
The Post Office faces a $7 billion loss for this fiscal year.
Is that what a progressive considers “successful?”
The Post Office’s purpose is to transport mail, not to turn a profit. To prove that they’re not “successful”, you need to demonstrate that they are failing at their primary purpose, not that they failed to turn a profit (and during a recession, at that, go figure).
Let the personal attack commence.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:47 pmTeflon Don says:
Keep spinning away, adios!
September 29th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Oops, I guess that should have been “Let the running away in terror commence”.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:52 pmAssuming the troll means “what was their excuse…”
1. Fuel (the oil crisis, you may have heard of it)
2. Recession
3. Fuel
It’s really the simplest economic theory in the world. Any endeavor that provides a service by moving items from points A to B suffers when fuel costs are high. Recession hurts everyone.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:53 pmChyron HR says
The Post Office’s purpose is to transport mail, not to turn a profit. To prove that they’re not “successful”, you need to demonstrate that they are failing at their primary purpose, not that they failed to turn a profit (and during a recession, at that, go figure).
see that would mean he or it would have to use logic and reasoning to be able to being to comprehend any where close to understanding any thing that he was not told to be true.
white wing wrong side party has no understanding of logic. and well if another country would show the repugs so money the repugs would sale the rest of this country out from under us.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:53 pmI’ll finish my little off topic lesson with a question.
Why is everyone being silent about the energy industries role in worsening, if not causing, the collapse of last year?
The labor market had started to slide, the housing bubble had burst, and the banks we’re treading water, when the oil speculators went into a mad frenzy and raped the economy with unimaginable energy prices.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:59 pmDamn. I have to start turning off the radio when I type. That should have “energy industry’s” and “banks were treading water”.
September 29th, 2009 at 5:22 pmTeflon Don says:
You are ignorant in many ways, but you’re particularly ignorant about the post office. This indicates that you don’t know what the h*ll you’re talking about.
The USPS has been imminently successful in consideration of the amount of mail that is handled every day. Profit motive aside, no agency has been able to maintain a standard of delivery and service that the USPS has done for over a hundred years.
I figure that you don’t know any of this stuff because you’ve probably never worked a day in your life or done anything constructive either. (Hanging out on a progressive blog is not your forté, and is definitely not constructive.)
I must admit, your handle tells us a lot–you idolize a racketeer and murderer.
Oh, yeah, you’re a republican ice hole–I forgot myself there for a minute.
September 29th, 2009 at 5:49 pmI have no idea how the rules of the Senate work, but isn’t there some procedure to reopen a committee decision and vote on something as per a “Committee of the Whole?”
Why should the Finance Committee get all the fun?
September 29th, 2009 at 5:49 pmI understood what you were getting at pete. Try typing and trying to listen to a technical-support caller at the same time!
September 29th, 2009 at 5:52 pmProfit. Since trolls and such have problems with spelling I think they are getting confused. Prophets are sacred somehow.
September 29th, 2009 at 6:14 pmTeflon Don says: Suddenly the gov’t is golden…
When it comes to no bid contracts, pork barreling goodness and free junkets, you betcha!
September 29th, 2009 at 6:21 pmgully foyle,
My typing skills are weak at best but, normally, I’m a better multitasker than today. A pair of my fish are acting like they are about to spawn so I’m a little preoccupied. Then they kept bringing up Crazy Shelly (InsaneR-Mn.) on the radio. I keep listening, in vain, for someone in the local media to identify her as an extremist, or even report that some national pundits consider her an extremist.
September 29th, 2009 at 6:22 pmTeflon Don says:
pete says:
What was there excuse 30 yrs ago when they still sucked?
Did you mean “their” excuse?
Have you always been a lame insecure liar? ;)
September 29th, 2009 at 8:21 pmTeflon Don says:
Keep spinning away, adios!
More lame projection from the radical right wing terrorist that can’t read that Medicare patients are happier with their insurance than privately insured patients! LOL! ;)
September 29th, 2009 at 8:22 pmTeflon Don says:
The Post Office faces a $7 billion loss for this fiscal year, and is slated to close approximately 700 or more offices across the country.
Sounds like most businesses currently. I guess you missed the part where UPS is having to cut costs and DHL has stopped doing business?
Teflon Don says:
Is that what a progressive considers “successful?”
Says the radical extremist that doesn’t understand there’s a recession or that otherwise successful “Corporations” are losing money right now! LOL!
September 29th, 2009 at 8:24 pmTeflon Don says:
9erfan must be googling away trying to find some info on the bankrupt post office…..
If losses meant things were Bankrupt, then all of Wallstreet is Bankrupt this year! LOL!
Stick to making silly remarks about Keith Olbermann. Serious topics just make you sound stupid! LOL!
September 29th, 2009 at 8:25 pmTeflon Don says:
Commence with the personal attacks! Wait, they already did…
Ah, the lame spin artists that hates the big bad guwument is thin skinned again! LOL! Were you always so insecure and childish? LOL!
September 29th, 2009 at 8:26 pmTeflon Don says:
Funny, the post office “argument” went from “try sending a letter for 38 cents” to “they don’t get taxes!”
TDF!!!
Most businesses that need to make a profit don’t have their prices set, do they? DOH! Sounds like raising the price of stamps a little would still make the post office profitable and a lot more efficient than “private” competitors…
Looks like your retort just died along with you! LOL!
September 29th, 2009 at 8:28 pmTeflon Don says:
Keep swinging away. It hilarious.
Nice rebuttal..:)
Wish I could say the same about your rebuttals! Then again, I don’t lie like you do! :)
September 29th, 2009 at 8:29 pmTeflon Don says:
In your feverish dreams.
Ok, lets here it. What has changed within the post office in the last 2 months.
What has happened to UPS during that time? Oh wait, they lost 10% of their business! LOL!
September 29th, 2009 at 8:30 pmTeflon Don says:
“If you think about it, UPS and FedEx are doing just fine. It’s the Post Office that’s always having problems,” Obama told a questioner, who expressed concern that the public option would run private insurers out of business.
:)
Yet you cower in fear at a public option, and never mail a letter! LOL! I’m sure people would just prefer to send their letters for $15 using FEDEX instead of 44 cents! Just like they’re prefer to spend $13,000 on health insurance with high deductibles and co-pays instead of having an affordable public plan! ;)
Teflon Don says:
Next? :)
Indeed?
You’re even more lame than ever! ;)
September 29th, 2009 at 8:33 pmTeflon Don says:
DMV?
You mean the organization that has to deal with regulations, and forms to prevent identity theft and fraud?
Yeah. Lets just make it quick and easy to go to the DMV so illegal aliens can all get drivers licenses! Oh wait, those anti-illegal alien laws have a direct relationship to the forms and lines of the DMV! LOL!
You wingnuts are just too funny with how you create a problem, and then whine about its consequences as though someone else caused it! LOL!
September 29th, 2009 at 8:38 pmTeflon Don says:
DMV?
Oh then there’s my favorite.
DMV = State Run
That’s right. Some states do a great job. Others under fund it. Guess what cheap republican states underfund it, and why silly rubes think the DMV is so bad? LOL! ;)
I spend less time waiting in line at the DMV, than I do waiting for my “Doctor” with “Private Insurance” in the waiting room!
DOH! ;)
September 29th, 2009 at 8:41 pmMax Baucus – Montana – 967,440
Blanche Lincoln – Arkansas – 2,855,390
Kent Conrad – North Dakota – 641,481
Ben Nelson – Nebraska – 1,783,432
Thomas R. Carper – Delaware – 873,092
City of Los Angeles, California – 3,833,995
USA – 307,505,000
Each and every one of those Democrats represents a state with a population of less than the city of Los Angeles. All total they represent 2.32% of the citizens of the United States.
We really do need to change our legislative system so that Senators from the small states that make up a minuscule part of the population of this country can torpedo something that will be good for the entire nation.
September 29th, 2009 at 8:43 pmTeflon Don says:
“If you think about it, UPS and FedEx are doing just fine. It’s the Post Office that’s always having problems,”
The US Post Office makes a majority of it’s money off of the delivery of snail mail. UPS and Fed Ex don’t deliver letters and magazines. The main reason why the Post Office is not doing as well as it used to is because people are using e-mail to communicate and paying their bills on-line. It has nothing to do with their being inefficient. As a matter of fact, I read that their package delivery business is growing faster than UPS or Fed Ex, so it might continue to subsidize our stamps.
September 29th, 2009 at 8:47 pmBilbo, I’m sure Toostupid Dan would be asking why a Government Run pony express was failing against the railroads as an example of why Government Run is bad! LOL! Talk about wingnuts not understanding changing technology, poor little things! It sure explains why Climate Change confuses ‘em! ;)
September 29th, 2009 at 8:55 pmbilbo, on the other hand I resent senators from states with large populations like California and New York passing laws for people that don’t agree with them.
September 29th, 2009 at 10:20 pmyeah well that’s how our system works. At least the small states have more power in the Senate…
September 30th, 2009 at 3:47 pmconservative guy says:
bilbo, on the other hand I resent senators from states with large populations like California and New York passing laws for people that don’t agree with them.
So you hate the U.S. Constitution then. Got it.
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