Newsmax removes column that called for military coup to resolve the ‘Obama problem.’
Newsmax removes column that called for military coup to resolve the ‘Obama problem.’
In a column published on the right-wing site Newsmax yesterday, John L. Perry writes that a military coup against President Obama is possible. Newsmax appears to have taken down the column from its website this morning. Media Matters has archived it, however:
There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America’s military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the “Obama problem.” Don’t dismiss it as unrealistic. [...]
Military intervention is what Obama’s exponentially accelerating agenda for “fundamental change” toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama’s radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible.
Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem. Just don’t shrug and say, “We can always worry about that later.”
In his Washington Post column, former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson acknowledges that “military leaders seem impressed” with President Obama’s decision-making process. “Obama’s engaged, deliberate style has fans in the military,” he writes.
Newsmax strongly believes in the principles of Constitutional government and would never advocate or insinuate any suggestion of an activity that would undermine our democracy or democratic institutions.
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More conservative cowardice. Does Newsmax lack the courage to stand behind its convictions? And as for Perry, if he truly believes the treasonous dribble that he spouts, should he not have the fortitude to withstand public scrutiny?
September 30th, 2009 at 9:34 amCongratulations, traitors!
September 30th, 2009 at 9:35 amYou stepped over that fine line between dissent and treason, and don’t try to hide behind the ’some people say that’.. bullsh!t.
Obama’s radical ideal ???
WTF???
Trolls, please elaborate. I don’t get this meme.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:36 amI thought these guys were in love with democracy and would criticize those “banana republics” that would use force to overthrow the power structure?
I guess it’s okay only when they don’t hold the ball.
Seriously if you don’t like the current powers, then just wait 2 years for elections (yes I know the President is every 4). It may suck but hey we had to wait 6 years to get some kind of control back.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:38 am“My fellow Americans, I’m pleased to tell you today that I’ve signed legislation that will outlaw Republicans forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.”
September 30th, 2009 at 9:41 amHmmm…advocating a military coup against the Commander in Chief during a time of war. The terrorists must be relishing every moment.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:41 amIs there anymore proof needed to confirm the association and direct connection between Republicans and terrorists?
Maybe this?
September 30th, 2009 at 9:45 amI’m convinced this is a serious strategy to coax the Administration into acting out against violent groups and try and start a narrative on how Obama is a divider and not a uniter. Probably some devious AEI scheme.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:47 amYeh, it only took a reptilian president to get the flag lapel pin crowd to start chanting for Saddam Hussein.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:49 amBush and the Saudi’s:
Explains everything about 9/11.
Imagine the money fights with stacks of hundreds the two had during the oil price spike caused by the misguided anger and subsequently wrongful attack on the people of Iraq.
Fcuking disgusting pigs.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:49 amWhen they get too delusional they become dangerous.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:50 amWhether a military coup is viable or not, is not really the issue for me. The mere thought of conservatives supporting such a blatantly racist move is incredulous! It seems that all we had to do was elect a Black president to embolden the racist, militaristic elements so prevalent in the conservative movement. What a bunch of political hypocrites!
September 30th, 2009 at 9:50 amNewsmax removes column that called for military coup to resolve the ‘Obama problem.’
– - Since Obama’s Republican Sec. of Defense likes this president very much, what about the “Robert Gates problem”?
September 30th, 2009 at 9:51 amIts unfortunate nobody wants to enforce the Sedition Act of 1804.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:53 amPresident Obama, commander in chief.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:57 amThese people have let their imaginations run wild looking for red meat for the tea baggers.
The end result will be angry tea baggers because this is nothing but a fantasy.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:00 amThe one positive effect that I can see is in the Islamic world: we elected a black man with an Islamic name, and the Xtian fanatics who invaded Iraq are furious–maybe things have changed!
September 30th, 2009 at 10:00 amThey have, but not in the way they think. But this right-wing hysteria puts Obama in a better bargaining position.
Okay, this is just plain stupid!
Does SnoozeMax even realize that once a military coup takes place, we loose all sense of Democracy?
And what of the following chaos regarding Wall Street?
And who would then be “dictator” of New AmeriKKKa? Newt? Oxybreath? Ann Adam’s Apple Coultergiest?
Seriously, what a bunch of idiocy, written by a gaggle of mucking forons!
September 30th, 2009 at 10:01 amWhat “Obama problem”?
Gee, Newsmax makes it sound like there’s a family of termites in the White House. You know, just call the GOPkin Man, and he’ll exterminate them libs!
Seriously, military force lurks under any government, even the US. Of course there is a capacity for a rebellion.
But is it necessary? So far all of the fear is driven by pundits that throw out conspiracies against SEIU, ACORN, George Soros, and the entire city of Chicago. There is no need to take back the White House and government by force, because there is no underlying threat.
Yes, I suppose I am “shrugging” at this. Now how about we cooperate to get things done about health care reform?
September 30th, 2009 at 10:02 amThese people are truly horrified of a rather unimpressive centre-left president. Man. I can only imagine what would’ve happened if Kucinich won the election.
I think the reactionary right would’ve made him “disappear”.
These people whine and moan that they’re “afraid for their country”. With people advocating a military coup against the democratically (and very widely) elected President of the United States…I’d be terrified, too.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:03 amFortunately, as the note points out, President Obama is actually quite popular in the military, because he actually listens to what is coming up the line, rather than dictating what he wants spouted back to him. So these right wingers are pretty much off in fantasy land.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:03 amI’m always amazed by the things these people think are terrible. The government wants to give me another option for healthcare, but I can use my existing plan if I like? More than likely at a discount?
WHAT THE HELL!! I WON’T STAND FOR IT. THAT MONEY WAS FOR TORTURE PROGRAMS!!!
Gah.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:04 amBut really, much of this isnt new, these same have been writing authoritarian commando king stuff like this for years. It seems to fascinate them to no end, especially WWII.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:04 amThis may be more religious than race motivated. The Evangelical movement has been encouraging its followers to join the military for quite some time, working their way up the ranks. A sizable number of people believe Obama to be the anti-christ. It won’t be long now before some one(s) feel it their Christian Duty to assassinate the President.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:06 amLimbaugh the la la, la Laden lurber disrespecting our commander in chief..heh, hey remember when Jason Hendler use to tell us how GWB was the commander in chief and we had to respect him and the office but Clinton wasnt his CiC.
Epic strings
September 30th, 2009 at 10:08 amIf the administration had simply bailed out the automakers, the Righties would have been fine. What freaks them out is the decision to take a piece of GM in order to have a little control over how the money (our money) is spent, and to get some of it back. Because just throwing money at corporations is Good. Getting a little control, that’s SOCIALISMO! It proves that Obama really is Castrochavezhitlerosama. Pay attention!
And, more important, the GOP can’t stand not being in charge. As soon as they were chucked out, they threw everything they could find against the window, figuring something would stick for all the little GOPers.
The “Obama Problem” is that he hasn’t burst into tears and left office.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:08 amWhat would the reaction be of the right wingers and the capitalist, corporate media if the same suggestion had been made during G.W. Bush’s presidency?
September 30th, 2009 at 10:09 amThis fantasy of the right is very revealing.
They seem to know that they cannot win by legal elections.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:09 amIt’s a psychotic sore loser problem. It’s an insolent conceited notion that they own this country and their ideals are what America is about.
To those who want to take America back: FCK YOU! You fcked it up enough already. You don’t like our democracy, leave. It’s not your country, you lost. FCK OFF!
September 30th, 2009 at 10:09 amPurple State says:
What “Obama problem”?
Purple, this is the contemporary propaganda version of Goebbels’ so called “Jewish Question“. Get a false problem fixed in people’s minds and provide a violent solution. Today’s right wing is following a similar course of action against President Obama.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:10 amI’m pretty sure that the files on these people are getting pretty big.
Just as any law enforcement agency, they are building thier case and when they get the ones they want in the loop, they will act.
This is truly sedition.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:14 ambureaucrap says:
Fortunately, as the note points out, President Obama is actually quite popular in the military, because he actually listens to what is coming up the line, rather than dictating what he wants spouted back to him.
How many generals did Bush fire? It was a bunch, as I recall.
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Briseadh na Faire says:
A sizable number of people believe Obama to be the anti-christ.
People who believe things like that aren’t any more mainstream Christian than were Jim Jones or David Koresh. I think that evangelical Christianity needs to recognize that there are a number of dangerous millenial cults operating in their name.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:15 amwow, sore losers much?
September 30th, 2009 at 10:18 amKeith Relf says:
Purple, this is the contemporary propaganda version of Goebbels’ so called “Jewish Question“. Get a false problem fixed in people’s minds and provide a violent solution.
I was thinking something similar, it seems to be the same rhetorical technique.
Actually, many writers over many of years preceding the holocaust discussed the “Jewish question,” including Marx. The meme that there was a “problem” with having Jews in society as a separate culture had been long established and supported for generations until by the time the Nazis provided a “solution,” nobody was questioning the question any more.
So, what do we do about the Wingnut Question?
September 30th, 2009 at 10:18 am“Problem?” Hmmmm…wonder what other “problems” might need a violent solution in the maggot-ridden brains of the right-wing.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:19 am***
l’m sure backup will be by
shortly to offer his “condemnation” of this
column while at the same time offering us
some false equivalency of how the same
thing was done to bush by the left and, hey,
why aren’t we condemning that too?
**
i wonder if he’ll leave another link
to this ultra right wing site to “backup”
his slimy piece of right wing propaganda?
*
anybody wanna make a bet?
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September 30th, 2009 at 10:23 amRUC, he’s black. Therefore…
September 30th, 2009 at 10:24 amSo what does this idiot claim the “Obama problem” is anyway (other than his skin color not being white)???? Blatant racism exactly like the Nazi’s pulled in the thirties and forties (as Relf identified earlier). These are the same jackasses that are saying Obama is a Nazi, yet they’re pulling the exact same propaganda stunts. Unbelievable!
September 30th, 2009 at 10:25 amI sent a link to that insanity last night to the Secret Service.
Crazy effing TRAITORS. What the fcuk happened to “COUNTRY FIRST”???
September 30th, 2009 at 10:26 amI saw this jaw-dropping article yesterday. While I am relieved to see it has been taken down, I want to know why John L. Perry is not being charged with sedition. This was a column overtly suggesting treason, which I have always felt was a federal offense punishable by a minimum of life imprisonment.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:26 amjoe cantwell, I’m going to have to diverge from your analysis in #37.
I think b-cup will show up, offer lukewarm “condemnation” of the column, but then will explain how someone on the Right could reasonably feel that way, and we should try to understand and address their concerns rather than simply dismiss and attack. That would be more “effective”.
See, b-cup used the “but what about how libs treated Bush” approach the other day, didn’t he?
You know how b-cup likes to mix up his blitzes with his coverage defense.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:28 amI totally agree. This kind of talk is dangerous. My hope is moderate republicans, or the RINOs, start speaking up and quashing this, but I don’t see that as likely. I’ve said the same thing about Islam too. My fear is someone will take a shot, and that somehow the ringer talk show hosts will get charged with incitement or something. That would be bad for our democracy, but the way the talk from the ringers has escalated in such a short time, I wonder what it will be like a year from now.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:28 amEventually they will run out of beer and hot chicken wings then retire back to their stills and lead paint chips.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:30 amFrom Devils and Dust by Bruce Springsteen
September 30th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Xisithrus says:
Eventually they will run out of beer and hot chicken wings then retire back to their stills and lead paint chips.
As a fan of beer and wings, I think I’ve just been insulted. I challenge you to meet me in an obscure parking lot in South Dakota this evening. Bring $1000.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:33 amDeclare martial law.
Arrest all Republicans.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:34 amMore evidence that the White Wing is determined to make the US a third world country. If you don’t like the government, coup. They are, single handedly defeating international terrorism by working to destroy or over throw our government.
Evidently they hold that old saying sacred. If you want a job done Right, do it yourself.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:34 amBnF
I, too, have heard many stories of military personnel being obliged to attend christian services, and we all recall General Boykin, who advocated a christian war against muslims, the followers of satan.
Repugs are like the Al Qaeda network – they lay low, conducting their dirty work in secret, creating a network which finally becomes so large, infiltrated every government office, that they can’t be stopped.
If repugs had any honor at all, they would publicly denounce this and call for criminal charges, but we know that won’t happen, not if it means that letting this continue would benefit them politically.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:35 amIt’s an interesting dilemma. Just think what the climate would be if he hadn’t touched healtchcare. Really, there’s enough profit in the healthcare industry to run several small countrys – or perhaps a few large ones.
They don’t want anyone messing with their profits. I’ve come to see Obama as a Center president (certainly not left of center) and if we shouldn’t keep waiting for moderate, sensible republicans to take control of their party. They simply aren’t doing it.
It’s obvious with this all out media blitz that the right is praying for a crazy to take out the President. When will the arrests start happening?
I’m n ot holding my breath on that one either.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:35 amTry the link again, Newsmax seems to have “disappeared” the article.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:36 am#42,
i agree with the guy who said backup’s a
low level think tank troll. your supposition
on how he’ll react is interesting but my
money’s on my paradigm. regardless, he
will derail the thread. this thing is way too
damning to the right to let stand.
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September 30th, 2009 at 10:36 am#47,
am i going to have to apologize to backup for that comment?
:|
September 30th, 2009 at 10:37 amAll you gotta do is spread Nascar parts around a empty lot and the problem is solved — other than the fistfights for the Earnahardt stuff.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:38 amThere is a remote, although gaining, possibility America’s military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the “Obama problem.” Don’t dismiss it as unrealistic.
Is this the same Military that backs Obama more then the last CIC?
Also is this the same one that has come out and said that cheney and daughter is spreading scaremongering nonsense?
September 30th, 2009 at 10:38 amTITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 115 > § 2385
§ 2385. Advocating overthrow of Government
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
September 30th, 2009 at 10:38 amWhoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.
To join with others here – I question just what is considered a “radical” act by Obama? Health care? Diplomacy? Refraining from bombing Iran? The Olympics? Extricating ourselves from Iraq? Pondering the options in Afghanistan?
September 30th, 2009 at 10:39 amOr is it swatting flies?
Radical must have a new definition in rightwing circles; it must mean African-American.
As a fan of beer and wings, I think I’ve just been insulted. I challenge you to meet me in an obscure parking lot in South Dakota this evening. Bring $1000.
Allright, we can build a still with that money! =)
September 30th, 2009 at 10:40 amAs someone who up until recently wore the uniform of this country, I’d love to know where the hell he thinks the supporters of this “coup” are going to come from. Because they damn sure won’t be active duty military. We were all sick of Dubya sending our friends to die in a war with no clear purpose.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:41 am***
#59,
say “troll” three times
and they will appear.
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September 30th, 2009 at 10:43 amAs an addendum to my last comment, I realize this thread isn’t really about the last administration. I just wanted to clarify that if this guy thinks the military is going to help unseat the Obama administration after the last 8 years, he will be sadly mistaken.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:44 amArrest Perry & throw him in jail for suggesting & encouraging an overthrow of the government. Seems like treason, pure & simple. It’s time to make these traitors accountable for their comments — they’re the true terrorists who are out to destroy the U.S.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:46 amTo Joe Cantwell:
September 30th, 2009 at 10:47 amI freely admit to being new at this so if I am goofing up on this thread let me know. I’m a little confused by the troll comment, am I inviting them with that post or am I being one? Either way, let me know so I can make a better contribution, I think I finally found a site where people share my views, albeit in a much better informed fashion.
It seems the Conservakooks at NewsMax would love an all-out race war in the United States.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:50 am***
even_flow linked to this last night:
even_flow says:
ot, this fu(king dog is advocating a military overthrow of President Obama.
September 29th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
and c&l has something on this too.
is thing going to go viral?
:|
btw, i checked the link and
the story has been pulled.
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September 30th, 2009 at 10:51 amI am so puzzled by this perception that Obama is socialist. These blatant lies and distortions are not supported by his administration, in fact Obama is a centrist and not err “liberal” enough in my view. Take healthcare reform, he has allowed the house and senate to push forward the bills and plans, he hasn’t jumped in with his plan and shoved it down anyones throat. He has been vilified by the right wing nutballers from day one. His more liberal supporters the gays, and the folks that want to get our troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq are not happy either. In my opinion Obama is trying to please too many people and trying to please people who literally smear him and want him to fail.I think being too nice is not working for him, and he needs to take the gloves off and move the agenda forward, fully realizing we will never please the right. They didn’t care about the left or center while they rode over the constitution and started a war on lies.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:53 amNot only has the story been pulled, but it doesn’t even appear among the writer’s previous columns.
Of course, that list does include such greatest hits as:
“Obama, Marxism, Media Form Perfect Political Storm” (8/31)
“Speech Before Congress Yet Another Bad Obama Idea” (9/07)
“Obama’s Health Plan Explanation Needs Explaining” (9/10)
“Obama Radicalizes Democratic Party in His Own Image” (9/14)
and
“Obama’s Policies Have U.S. at Crossroads of Survival” (9/21)
I’m sensing a pattern here…
September 30th, 2009 at 10:56 amPresident Obama’s Radical Acts:
September 30th, 2009 at 10:58 am1) President while being black.
2) Actually won a democratic election.
3) He is a Marxist, Socialist, Fascist, Maoist, Hitler, Stalin, Mao and the Anti-Christ
and the Very Latest:
He is a Menace to Humanity.
Hell of a menu.
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#63,
i welcome your views and i thank you for your service.
i was joking about the trolls. my point is that they will
be here shortly to provide us with myriad insane excuses
about this criminal behavior on the part of “newsmax”.
you can count on that.
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btw, there’s one named “twajie”
(his current handle is “teflon don”)
who’s usually on a meth binge and
rants using the words “much”, “LOL”,
“shocker”, “project”, “hypocrite”, “rinse, repeat”,
“loser”, etc. over and over again.
**
he’s amusing.
:)
September 30th, 2009 at 11:00 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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#67,
ralph,
he’s probably on a flight to a country that
doesn’t have an extradition agreement with the u.s.
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being followed closely by “dog” the bounty hunter.
:)
September 30th, 2009 at 11:03 amThe fact that these wingnuts can’t figure out that the only constitutional solution to the “Obama problem” — whatever that means — is to win an election tells you all you need to know about their twisted, undemocratic mindset. Think about it. The same people who cited the president’s status as commander in chief of the armed forces to justify Bush running the entire bill of rights (other than the second amendment of course) through the shredder now advocate having a military coup depose the president for the sake of restoring the constitution. If they want a dictatorship lets send them to Burma or North Korea. If they want government off their backs let them go to Somalia. This treason does not however belong in the U.S.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:04 am“Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem.”
Even if there was an “Obama problem”, here’s an alternative, non-violent solution — a little thing we like to call an election. That’s how we solved the “republican problem” last November, wingnuts.
Of course, your problem with that solution is (a) it’s non-violent; and (b) you keep losing elections because the majority of Americans agree with us rather than with you…
September 30th, 2009 at 11:05 amWhat is the proper distance for dueling buffalo wings?
September 30th, 2009 at 11:06 amFor 30 years, the goal of the right has been to turn the U.S. into a third world country. They began a systematic attack on the middle class. The destruction of the labor movement and outsourcing of American jobs was just the first step. The tax burden was shifted from the uppper class and the corporations to the middle class. That being accomplished, they proceeded to bankrupt the government, and allow the bankers to create an economic depression.
All was going according to plan until Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, and the American people finally woke to see what the fascist right-wing had done to their country. It was bad enough for them when they lost control of Congress, but losing the White House really put a crimp in their plans. Even worse, they lost to a black man.
Only eight months later, they are calling for the ultimate solution for creating a third world dictatorship. When all else fails, stage a military coup, and install a strongman, like Pinochet, or Saddam Hussein as dictator.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:08 amJohn Perry appears to be a nut job of the first magnitude and stupid as well. He disclaims that he is recommending the coup option yet goes on to describe how it would work. He’s apparently to stupid to realize that his services would be of no benefit to the new “interim” government and he would be eliminated, but “bloodlessly”.
Perry and his ilk must have gotten into some really potent mescaline and are hallucinating non-stop at heir laptops.
It would be comical to see him brought before the Congress and quizzed for several days about what he might know about any coup planning.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:08 am***
#70,
and here he is now!
:)
September 30th, 2009 at 11:09 amWe’ve already had a “bloodless coup.” It was in late 2000. A conservative Supreme Court halted the counting of votes in Florida and installed Bush as President. Subsequent counting by a consortium of representatives from both parties, the media and higher education confirmed that if all the votes had been counted in Florida, Gore would have won.
And, American conservatives have already tried a military coup in 1933 to remove FDR from office. A group of wealthy industrialists and bankers who admired the way Hitler was running Germany decided to foment an armed takeover of the capital. Luckily, the General they wanted to lead the revolt, General Smedley Butler, punked them and went to the authorities.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:14 amAnother thought:
When the Reich Wing nut jobs start talking about gun control we should be very wary of their intentions. All it would take would be the death of a member of Congress at the hands of a gun-totting assassin. Keep in mind that the Reich has always been in bed with the NRA and that the NRA knows who has guns but not who doesn’t. I’m sure that the NRA would gladly rat out who owns guns when pressed by rogue members of Congress.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:15 amWhat kind of uniform is this?
September 30th, 2009 at 11:18 amBoth this and the recent “Taking Back” conference reported to issue calls for a coup.
And these are the people that are protecting the Constitution ?
Doesn’t forming a coup fall under some sort of crime ?
And let’s compare Obama won the election by a BIG margin. Duly elected official. The conservatives are calling for a coup.
vs. Bush “won” by a very dubious margin. The Bushies forbade protests.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:23 amI would like to hear what our military officers think of Perry’s slander against their honor.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:26 am#80,
good link.
#70,
PLEASE tell me he’s picking snot out of his nose!
CHUY! When will these people get a fuuking clue?
:)
September 30th, 2009 at 11:30 amor this link
Man, that Dubya has much ear wax, no?
September 30th, 2009 at 11:34 amAnd these people called us treasonous for calling Bush a liar for having lied us into a needless war. The things they are doing (calling for a military coup, assassination, etc.) are more a definition of treason than is calling a lying President a liar.
It’s things like this that has the Republican party shrunk to only 18% of Americans. It amazes me that they don’t see the harm they are doing to their party and to this country.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:37 amtokin librul says:
PLEASE tell me that “thePrez” is digging ear wax out of his aural canal, and NOT “saluting” the Marine guard, something he is neither required–nor permitted to do, out of the uniform he NEVER wore…
CHUY! When will these people get a fuuking clue?
“These people” meaning presidents?
September 30th, 2009 at 11:40 amThey persecuted Jimmy Carter manipulating the economy and boosting interest rates then making sure the hostages weren’t released so Reagan could take office. Then they blamed Bill Clinton of everything including the death of Vince Foster until they decided to impeach him for lying about consensual sex. Something that was irrelevant and he shouldn’t have been asked about in the first place. Then they blatantly stole the presidency from Al Gore and less blatantly from John Kerry. And THEY’RE the ones who are angry. Now they’ve vilified ACORN and Van Jones successfully and we’re not standing up and defending them.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:40 amYes we’re progressive but we need to be meaner.
Where are the trolls? Tokin is too lame even to hold the title.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:41 amTachinidae Leporello says:
President Obama’s Radical Acts:
1) President while being black.
2) Actually won a democratic election.
3) He is a Marxist, Socialist, Fascist, Maoist, Hitler, Stalin, Mao and the
The things President Obama is trying to do in this country are not radically different than what Clinton did and in some ways are more conservative. But, the right didn’t start to vilify Clinton the day he was elected like they have done with Obama. So why all the hatred and vitriol towards Obama, starting the day he was elected? What is the difference between Obama and Clinton? Oh, could it be that Obama is Black and Clinton is not?
September 30th, 2009 at 11:44 am10 times meaner, Shayne.
Who at the DNC is issuing the “be nice and don’t fight even when they punch you in the face” orders???
September 30th, 2009 at 11:50 am#83,
got one.
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can’t understand why tl didn’t find any,
they’re all over the place.
?
September 30th, 2009 at 11:51 am***
#87,
cowardice, i guess.
:|
i was so looking forward
to backup’s comment :)
September 30th, 2009 at 11:52 amThey always disappear after one of their Freeper buddies commits an act of domestic terrorism. I think the same is happening now. They don’t want to be openly associated with a Republican insurgent call for a military coup. They are undoubtedly disucssing it amongst themselves.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:54 amI’d say it’s the President’s prerogative to return a salute from the military or not, as he sees fit.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:54 amtombaker, you’re right. We need Howard Den back. He’s the only guy calling the blue dogs out. I don’t even know who is in charge at the DNC. But all my donations are going straight to candidates because I don’t want a penny to support these traitors.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:56 amIf Obama was what the radical right says he is they would all be sitting in jail waiting trial for treason. We are witnessing the death of the Republican party, killed by their own radicalism. To call them “conservatives” is a joke, what is conservative about any of their actions, conservatives are supposed to respect traditions and values. These people are radicals.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:57 amI remember the howls from right-wingers when Bill Clinton did not salute.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:57 amI guess there must be a meeting at troll central telling them who to call when the feds knock on their door.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:58 am… snort …
I’m proud to say that this morning I alerted Crooks and Liars’ Logan Murphy that the article had been scrubbed. He says he’s on the case but so far no one’s been able to find a cached version of it anywhere.
Right about now we ought to be asking ourselves “Where will the next Fort Sumter Be?”
September 30th, 2009 at 11:58 am***
Newsmax strongly believes in the principles of Constitutional government and would never advocate or insinuate any suggestion of an activity that would undermine our democracy or democratic institutions.
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mr. perry?
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September 30th, 2009 at 11:58 amI hear you Bilbo Hussein Baggins : lets put the cards on the table. White Folks in this country have lost their minds. How dare a Black Man become President of the United States !! He is not from here, he is this ,he is that….. Very sad. All of my life all of the Presidents have been White without this type of tumult.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:59 amAlthough I am not a lawyer, it seems clear to me that John L. Perry’s column is an overt act of treason as defined by the Constitution. It is, at a minimum, an offer of aid and comfort to any of the enemies of the United States who might be considering the organization of a military coup.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:59 am#98,
the full text of perry’s column can be found here.
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September 30th, 2009 at 12:02 pmNewsmax’s cya statement is pure bull.
They knew what that column said when they put it up, and they did it anyway, and now they’re all snickering to themselves for getting away with it.
Sometimes I wish I was a highly-skilled hacker.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:04 pmshoeless says:
They are undoubtedly disucssing it amongst themselves.
Oh yeah.
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joe cantwell says:
the full text of perry’s column can be found here.
Hooray for TPM!
September 30th, 2009 at 12:05 pm“our democracy” Newsmax says….. not ‘our republic’.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:08 pmMedia Matters and TPM bot have a copy of the article so Newsmax got a conscience a little too late. Does Rupert Murdoch own Newsmax too? He needs to be investigated, seriously. Why we are letting an Australian own more new outlets than the law allows and sitting back watching him foment rebellion is beyond me.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:09 pm***
#106,
he can be legally deported and his assets
seized by the federal government.
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i advocate for doing that as quickly as possible.
:|
September 30th, 2009 at 12:12 pmtokin librul says:
This comment has been voted down. Click to read.
PLEASE tell me that “thePrez” is digging ear wax out of his aural canal, and NOT “saluting” the Marine guard, something he is neither required–nor permitted to do, out of the uniform he NEVER wore…
CHUY! When will these people get a fuuking clue?
Well it seems you dont have a clue as well. and it shows you never was in the military. as you have no idea of command structure.
but we all will take that in to account.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:29 pmyou Coward
108. Tokin Librul quoted by PilotShark,
Are you complaining that the Prez is showing respect to the Military ? (Instead of making them cannon fodder in Iraq ?).
Also, you seem to be confusing when one must salute versus when one **may** salute.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:38 pmNewsmax strongly believes in the principles of Republican government
That was easy to correct.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:39 pmI must have missed this. When did the military only enlist white racist idiots?
September 30th, 2009 at 12:40 pm106.
Newsmax is run by Christopher Ruddy, a valiant truthseeker who repeatedly published articles claiming Bill Clinton had Vince Foster murdered because Foster was having an affair with Hillary..and that Ron Brown didn’t really die in a plane crash, but he was murdered on orders of Pres. Clinton.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:42 pmnewsmax HAS NOT REMOVED the column. They just buried it under the pundit section under john perry’s list of columns.
Here’s the url:
September 30th, 2009 at 12:44 pmm.newsmax.com/site?t=fT8Ct8seTWd7EzpnpgDzIw&sid=newsmax
Newsmax strongly believes in the principles of Constitutional government and would never advocate or insinuate any suggestion of an activity that would undermine our democracy or democratic institutions.
You already threw the baby out with the bath-water, there’s no turning back now.
Fcuking traitorous LIARS.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:46 pmOh brother! These spokespeople for Conservative publications really are pretty comical if not pathetic. What a lame apology that wasn’t…..where did they even say they regret the incite to violence against the President of the United States that this Perry guy caused as a columnist for their publication? NOWHERE!! NADA DOES NOT EXIST!! I do hope the Secret Service is watching Newsmax and others of this ilk very closely!
September 30th, 2009 at 12:47 pmBut, but, it would be a “civilized” coup! Which I guess is okay by Perry.
America isn’t the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:49 pmI would like to hear what our military officers think of Perry’s slander against their honor.
I’d like uncle ho’s take as well.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:49 pmI forgot to italicize the part where I quote Perry:
America isn’t the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized.
So you see you all really have nothing to worry about.
(snarkiness being put aside for now)
September 30th, 2009 at 12:55 pmRight after the election a group of birthers were broadcasting near military bases, their doubts about Obama’s status as a natural born citizen. The hope was to start a military coup that would replace Obama presumably with a republican administration. I don’t really know what to say here. If Obama was truly the horrible dictator they claim he is, websites like newsmax, and redstate would have been taken down. Anyone even suggesting anything bad about Obama would be arrested. No trial, no nothing, just disappeared. These people need to get a grip before more people get hurt.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:59 pmLet’s not forget that people were arrested for wearing the wrong t-shirt during the last administration.
September 30th, 2009 at 1:20 pmscottinphoenix says:
newsmax HAS NOT REMOVED the column. They just buried it under the pundit section under john perry’s list of columns.
Here’s the url:
m.newsmax.com/site?t=fT8Ct8seTWd7EzpnpgDzIw&sid=newsmax
I failed to mention that I was using my mobile phone to get to the column. I don’t see the article when I use my computer, so they have removed it when you use a computer, but not when you use your mobile phone.
September 30th, 2009 at 1:21 pmOk, so I finally read the column, I get a sneaky suspicion this guy has a thesaurus parked next to him in a vain effort to puff up his vocabulary to sound halfway intelligent. Sorry Perry, throwing in words like “abnegation” can not, and will never make the nonsense you spew intelligent in any way, shape, or form.
September 30th, 2009 at 1:34 pmso they have removed it when you use a computer, but not when you use your mobile phone.
The page must still be cached on your phone.
September 30th, 2009 at 2:16 pmIn all the years Cheney…er…W was president, despite the fact they abbrogated treaties, broke US Constitutional Law, US law and international law, no progressive I am aware of ever suggested a military coup to remove him from power.
It’s funny how all these conservatives that love thier country so much, who wrap themselves in the flag while shoving it in our faces are so willing to destroy the country to get their way. These people are suggesting the military would commit treason so that whacko right-wing America can have thier way. This is this deluded, egomanical and proof they’ve severed their connection with reality.
September 30th, 2009 at 2:18 pmAmerica isn’t the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized.
Translation: “America isnt’ run by black people. A coup by white people on behalf of white people counts as ‘civilized’.”
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Mark701 says:
It’s funny how all these conservatives that love thier country so much, who wrap themselves in the flag while shoving it in our faces are so willing to destroy the country to get their way.
They hate the Constitution, hate America, and will stop at nothing to bring this great nation to its knees.
September 30th, 2009 at 2:33 pmA spokeswoman for Newsmax sent a statement to TPM admitting that the magazine removed the column after several reader complaints
The fact that it took complaints to remove this shows how radical and extremist this organization is! Nothing says nationalist fascism like calling to overthrow a democratically elected government that threatens profit gougers! ;)
September 30th, 2009 at 2:35 pmMapleStreet says:
108. Tokin Librul quoted by PilotShark,
Are you complaining that the Prez is showing respect to the Military ? (Instead of making them cannon fodder in Iraq ?).
Also, you seem to be confusing when one must salute versus when one **may** salute.
are you asking me?
as the guard on station at the helo must may and will salute the CIC.
and if not sorry,,, smiles
September 30th, 2009 at 2:36 pmNewsmax strongly believes in the principles of Constitutional government and would never advocate or insinuate any suggestion of an activity that would undermine our democracy or democratic institutions.
But you just did, you arrogant fool!
September 30th, 2009 at 2:36 pmSome wag made a comment about the Marine saluting the president and the president returning the salute. For the record, Obama’s the CiC–therefore giving and returning a salute is customary.
As to the Newsmax column, I would say that the writer and the website of record should be immediately investigated by the secret service and appropriate justice administered.
This is, after all, treason. If the same were to happen to junior bush, there would have been immediate show trials.
This sh*t has to come to an a** grinding halt.
September 30th, 2009 at 2:50 pm****
i hope tp picks up on this column by
thomas friedman from yesterday.
it’s apt and it’s scary.
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mike steele’s reaction?
friedman’s a “nut job“.
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September 30th, 2009 at 2:54 pmRight. Thomas Friedman. And in this wonderful article, he calls the Whitewater thing a “bogus scandal.” Strangely, back in the 90’s, in real time, he never mentioned that Whitewater was a “bogus scandal.”
September 30th, 2009 at 4:08 pmMr. John L. Perry obviously never was a commissioned officer in the U.S. Armed Forces. Looking at my commission it reads, “… this officer is to observe and follow such orders and directions, from time to time, as many be given by the President of the United States of America …” In other words the President is the Commander-in-Chief, end of story.
Mr Perry should be charged with sedition.
September 30th, 2009 at 4:11 pmThis will end so badly. Thomas Friedman is totally right. The parallels to Israel of 1995 are scary.
September 30th, 2009 at 4:57 pmSounds to me like the Secret Service needs a lot more funding, training, and manpower.
September 30th, 2009 at 5:14 pmumm, umm, umm!!
well, if not an obama coup then… how about ridding our government of polousi, reed, snow, frank, jarrett, czars, and any others that fit the mold of these “fine” obama folks. sorry about the spelling…you know how stupid these conservatives are.
UMM UMMM UMMMMMMM
September 30th, 2009 at 5:25 pmgoppalin4evr says:
umm, umm, umm!!
O_o
Are you feeling alright? Maybe you should be getting help instead of typing on the computer machine.
September 30th, 2009 at 5:54 pmThe sad thing is, it’s apparently okay these days to come out with blatant sedition because there will be no consequences for doing so. So state governors can call for secession, articles written calling for military coups, TV a-holes practically begging someone to assassinate the president; and all of this is okay.
September 30th, 2009 at 6:16 pmRe: tokin librul @ 69:
3 words, moron:
COMMANDER IN CHIEF!!!!!!
September 30th, 2009 at 6:37 pmin response to ELBRUCE…i am feeling great, especially since i know you read my great, great, great little article just a bit ago. isn’t it amazing how up set those anti fox news folks are. poor dear…keep typing…oh, by the way, you just might need to read sarah’s new book. peace
September 30th, 2009 at 6:53 pmIs this the guy who claims to be a veteran?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-_AKXe2JBSA/SNTKXnVAZwI/AAAAAAAAAQo/TfeegTvAEos/s320/bush_salute%5B1%5D.jpg
September 30th, 2009 at 6:58 pmWhat this traitor has written in NEWSMAX, is the same thing that Glenn Beck preaches in his FOX show, although Beck does it around the edges, skirting the issue, smirking and alluding, but never directly.
Does anyone really thing that all those Glennbeckian teabaggers were kidding when they were carrying their weapons at the demonstration talking about shedding blood to water the tree of liberty?
Talk about traitors to the U.S. Constitution and to the country.
September 30th, 2009 at 7:45 pm***
tokin librul,
one and done.
:|
September 30th, 2009 at 8:11 pmMr. Perry should be committed with all the right wing high school dropouts who read his BS. On top of that if he had a real job he would get his ass fired in a nanosecond!
September 30th, 2009 at 8:25 pmIt never ceases to amaze me, the double standards employed by the lefties.
It’s perfectly OK to be disrespectful to President Bush, make movies, design stamps , and have Hollywood mouthpieces endorse the concept of assassinating Pres. Bush, yet when someone does anything even remotely similar regarding ACORN’s own Barry Obama, it’s racist right wing whack jobs at it again , sore losers, etc ?
Understand something , people.
The military swears an oath to the Constituiton first, then the civilian government, to uphold and defend the Constituition against all enemies , foreign or domestic.
That does include the Donkey King himself, Barack Hussein Obama. It would require extreme circumstances , yet it remains possible.
Me, I’m just laughing . This is a non-starter , really. We military folk have self discipline, honor , and core values that you Lefties find unfathomable , and it terrifies you.
As such , you attribute all manner of silly ideas as things we’d do , just because we wear the uniform , and don’t think or vote as you do.
We , speaking in general terms , have little desire to make a martyr of your little clueless community organizer.
If you want that, you are well and truly sick.
Have some coke, and smile , and shut the heck up.
We make all this possible , you whinging twits.
Warmest regards,
September 30th, 2009 at 8:41 pmAmusedveteran
goppalin4evr says:
especially since i know you read my great, great, great little article just a bit ago
You wrote an article? OK, link to it and I’ll give it a look.
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amusedveteran says:
…yet when someone does anything even remotely similar regarding ACORN’s own Barry Obama, it’s racist right wing whack jobs at it again , sore losers, etc ?
For about half of his article, Perry was only discussing a possibility. He was clearly toeing the line between talking about a hypothetical and literally advocating a coup. However, he clearl vaulted across that line towards the end of the article:
At this point he is literally advocating the possibility he was previously exploring.
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amusedveteran says:
That does include the Donkey King himself, Barack Hussein Obama. It would require extreme circumstances , yet it remains possible.
Obama is not violating the constitution. Thus, it is not possible without the military members involved violating their oath.
Why do you hate the troops? Why would you so impugn their honor?
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amusedveteran says:
We military folk have self discipline, honor , and core values that you Lefties find unfathomable , and it terrifies you.
Personal claim by a wingnut = you have never been in military service in your life.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:19 pmNemsmax’s own readers complained about Perry’s article?
Could it be that Perry’s article crossed a line that many Republicans were upset enough to compel Newsmax to pull the article?
I think the significance maybe “enough is enough”.
The Republicans are taking a beating with a series of recent events associated with this party’s conduct and rhetoric; that projection is not flattering. The fundamental question of Presidents Obama’s fitness to govern is being contrast to the 8 years of Bush, and the 10 months of no cooperation and fear mongering, this at a time when American troops are on two fronts and an economic mess to rectify. Obama does not have to remind the public of the ownership of these problems, it speaks for itself.
Those complaints of the Newsmax readers may be indicative of a major shift with in the Republican rank and file. They have grown tired and uneasy concerning the rhetoric and direction of the Republican Party.
If the poor working stiff hanging from a tree in Kentucky didn’t awaken the sensible part of the Republican Party, it appears this article may just have.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:29 pmThis is pure and simple TREASON and CONSPIRCY TO OVER THROW THE U.S. Government. Perry should be arrested and tried as such. Newsmax should be disbaned and outlawed unless they retract this article.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:32 pmTwo words: Salvador Allende. Google it and weep, because this is exactly the play-book the right is using against Obama.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:36 pmTITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 115 > § 2385
§ 2385. Advocating overthrow of Government
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.
Well good to know the goverment has Thomas Jefferson rolling over in his grave.
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
Have you folks not been paying attention to the goverment, wire taps, unlawful detention, the very destruction of our rights. If I say the goverment should be overthrown that the tree of liberty is well past time to be refreshed, I can be seen as advocating overthrow of government by sharing the opinon of one of this goverments own former CiCs. We live with the illusion of freedom, for there is no freedom if with just a word the goverment can take it away. I dont buy into the obama problem, the problem is the goverment regardless of what face you put on it, untill the people of this union regain control of their own destiny there will always be a problem, just the names change, the corruption stays the same.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:58 pmdragonscars says:
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Do you really think that personal firearms, even assault rifles, are any use against the might of the U.S. military? Go ask the insurgents in Iraq how that worked out.
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dragonscars says:
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
People who say that in this day and age really freak me out. There is no tyranny going on, and those who would turn against their own country are no patriots.
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dragonscars says:
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
It’s not our fault you’re paranoid.
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dragonscars says:
Have you folks not been paying attention to the goverment, wire taps, unlawful detention, the very destruction of our rights. If I say the goverment should be overthrown that the tree of liberty is well past time to be refreshed, I can be seen as advocating overthrow of government by sharing the opinon of one of this goverments own former CiCs. We live with the illusion of freedom, for there is no freedom if with just a word the goverment can take it away. I dont buy into the obama problem, the problem is the goverment regardless of what face you put on it, untill the people of this union regain control of their own destiny there will always be a problem, just the names change, the corruption stays the same.
After you overthrow the government, what happens next? Will there be no “government” forever? Will we all get magical ponies? How is anarchy going to work in the long run?
September 30th, 2009 at 11:18 pmDo you really think that personal firearms, even assault rifles, are any use against the might of the U.S. military? Go ask the insurgents in Iraq how that worked out.
I dont claim that personal firearms will work agains the u.s. military. I do however think that the goverment cant fault its citizens for taking the precaution anyhow. Besides one day the goverments bound to push the poeple far enough and regardless of if you win or not, sometimes the few can win over the many, isnt that how this goverment got here in the first place.
People who say that in this day and age really freak me out. There is no tyranny going on, and those who would turn against their own country are no patriots.
Really lets ask those folks in Iraq or one of the other dozens of contries we cant keep our grubby little hands out of if they think there is no tyranny….hmmm yes I forget that murdering masses of people because your told to makes you a patriot. now dont go off about how i hate the millitary, i wanted to join the service, my father and my grandfather were in the service, but if the i was just following orders didnt work for the nazis what makes you think it works for you.
It’s not our fault you’re paranoid.
I’m not paranoid. do the people of this counrty fear its government? yes. And ill remind you of that when shock troops show up at your door when you say something they didnt like, when i can be arrested for my opinion, theres something wrong.
After you overthrow the government, what happens next? Will there be no “government” forever? Will we all get magical ponies? How is anarchy going to work in the long run?
i never stated anarchy was the way to go, i stated that the goverment needed to be taken out and a new more for the people one put in, nobody goes out with a no government agenda, they go out with a better government agenda, when your mind doesnt comprehend the reality of the world maybe you should get off that magical pony, the nice men in their clean white coats have a place to help you with that.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:36 pmTSquare215 said
It’s not about race, idiot, it’s about this:If George Bush Was An Idiot……
If George W. Bush had been the first President to need a teleprompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?
If George W. Bush had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to take Laura Bush to a play in NYC, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had reduced your retirement plan’s holdings of GM stock by 90% and given the unions a majority stake in GM, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you not have thought this embarrassingly narcissistic and tacky?
If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the non-existent “Austrian language,” would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?
If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current in their income taxes, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had been so Spanish illiterate as to refer to “Cinco de Cuatro” in front of the Mexican ambassador when it was the 5th of May (Cinco de Mayo), and continued to flub it when he tried again, would you have winced in embarrassment?
If George W. Bush had mis-spelled the word “advice” would you have hammered him for it for years like Dan Quayle and potatoe as proof of what a dunce he is?
If George W. Bush had burned 9,000 gallons of jet fuel to go plant a single tree on Earth Day, would you have concluded he’s a hypocrite?
If George W. Bush’s administration had okayed Air Force One flying low over millions of people followed by a jet fighter in downtown Manhattan causing widespread panic, would you have wondered whether they actually get what happened on 9-11?
If George W. Bush had failed to send relief aid to flood victims throughout the Midwest with more people killed or made homeless than in New Orleans , would you want it made into a major ongoing political issue with claims of racism and incompetence?
If George W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?
If George W Bush had proposed to double the national debt, which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had then proposed to double the debt again within 10 years, would you have approved?
So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive? Can’t think of anything? Don’t worry….he’s done all this in 5 months — so you’ll have three years and seven months to come up with an answer. SCARY! Wonder what else he’ll do in that time??? Subsitute “racist” for “policy”.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:41 pmI have thought for a long time that some of these “stoopid” individuals were coming very close to “an act of Treason”. Now I feel that this group has committed the Act of Treason and I want them charged, tried, convicted and sentenced! I am serious about this; I am sick and tired of all of these hypocrites cite their “love for their country” and yet try to destroy it. They yell about immigrants and how they are so against them; they also scream about Muslims in the Middle East as being “terrorists”, when these miscreants thugs are the real “TERRORISTS”.
I want all of them investigated asap. Something must be done to shut these fools down, right now. I can’t stand the sound nor sight on them even on television- “foaming” at the mouth with hysteria and screaming like idiots. They need to be dealt with now, not later, so that they will know these actions will not be allowed to continue any longer.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:53 pmgot to love your support for the freedom of speach there MaryEllen, guess next we should start stonning all those folks who have a different opinon than you
September 30th, 2009 at 11:58 pm#151. never stated anarchy was the way to go, i stated that the goverment needed to be taken out and a new more for the people one put in, nobody goes out with a no government agenda, they go out with a better government agenda, when your mind doesnt comprehend the reality of the world maybe you should get off that magical pony, the nice men in their clean white coats have a place to help you with that.
But this Presidency was legitimately ELECTED BY THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE. So it is NO BETTER Government agenda for us; it appears that it is you that is dissatisfied with this government. Why don’t you leave this country and go find another one – tomorrow?
October 1st, 2009 at 12:11 am#154..” MaryEllen, guess next we should start stonning all those folks who have a different opinon than you.”"
Why not; it makes as much sense as you do when you speak about getting rid of a legitimately elected President/government! How dare you insinuate you want a “do-over” to elect a President that YOU want. Pretty stupid and selfish!
October 1st, 2009 at 12:24 amHere’s a refutation of these points that I noticed online:
If George W. Bush had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given
him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?
Presidents very seldom are the ones who select the “gifts” in these exchanges. A low-level staffer made the decision to give Brown DVDs of 25 classic American movies, because Brown is known as a movie buff.
If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have thought this
embarrassingly narcissistic and tacky?
Right wing lie. The iPod contained no Obama speeches… only American music that the queen is very fond of. The queen was reportedly very happy with the gift.
If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, would you have approved?
George W. Bush kissed the King of Saudi Arabia on the lips.
If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the non-existent “Austrian language,” would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?
The reason this verbal slip by Obama is remembered is because it is so rare. Books have been written containing nothing but verbal slips by Bush. Only Yogi Berra rivals Bush in this department.
If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current on their income taxes, would you have approved?
Bush filled his cabinet with war criminals and cronies (”Heckuva job, Brownie!”).
If George W. Bush had been so Spanish illiterate as to refer to “Cinco de Cuatro” in front of the Mexican ambassador when it was the fourth of May (Cuatro de Mayo), and continued to flub it when he tried again, would you have winced in embarrassment?
Again… only notable because of its rarity. George “is our children learning?” Bush was the king of gaffes.
If George W. Bush had mis-spelled the word advice would you have hammered him for it for years like Dan Quayle and potatoe as “proof” of what a dunce he is?
This never happened.
If George W. Bush had burned 9,000 gallons of jet fuel to go plant a single tree on “Earth Day”, would you have concluded he’s a hypocrite?
Um… every Presidential trip burns jet fuel. Obama’s trip wasn’t *JUST* to plant a tree. That was one five-minute event in an otherwise full day of events.
If George W. Bush’s administration had okayed Air Force One flying low over millions of people followed by a jet fighter in downtown Manhattan causing widespread panic, would you have wondered whether they actually “get” what happened on 9-11?
Obama didn’t okay this. And the person responsible for it was reprimanded and resigned.
If George W. Bush had been the first President to need a teleprompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how he inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?
Every President since Jimmy Carter has used a teleprompter. George Bush used a teleprompter for every major speech of his presidency. As for the teleprompter at press conferences… it was only used for the opening statement and not used at all during the Q&A portions of the press conference.
If George W. Bush had failed to send relief aid to flood victims throughout the Midwest with more people killed or made homeless than in New Orlean , would you want it made into a major ongoing political issue with claims of racism and incompetence?
Lie. Relief aid WAS sent.
If George W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?
Once the government took over control of GM, the government *DID* have the right to hire and fire top management. And the reason the government took over GM is because of Bush’s incompetence.
If George W. Bush had proposed to double the national debt,which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?
The stimulus package was necessary because of the Bush Depression. The national debt more than doubled during Bush’s term, and no Republican uttered a peep about it.
If George W. Bush had then proposed to double the debt again within 10 years, would you have approved?
Obama hasn’t proposed this. Lie.
If George W. Bush had reduced your retirement plan’s holdings of GM stock by 90% and given the unions a majority stake in GM, would you have approved?
George W. Bush’s Depression is what caused this, not Obama
If George W. Bush had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to take Laura Bush to a play in NYC, would you have approved?
George W. Bush spent 41% of his presidency on vacation. He took 75 trips to Crawford Texas, totaling in the 10s of millions of dollars. Disingenuous lie.
So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive?
For one, he’s turned around Bush’s Depression in 6 months.
Can’t think of anything? Don’t worry.
He’s done all this in 6 months — so you’ll have three years and six months to come up with an answer.
Wrong. We have 7 years and 6 months.
October 1st, 2009 at 12:58 amZeptepi0101 says:
If George W. Bush had been the first President to need a teleprompter installed…
Jimmy Carter was the first President to use a teleprompter. Every President since has used one, including George W. Bush, his father, Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan.
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Zeptepi0101 says:
If George W. Bush had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to take Laura Bush to a play in NYC, would you have approved?
As long as he spent his own money doing it. However, his vacations are legendary.
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Zeptepi0101 says:
If George W. Bush had reduced your retirement plan’s holdings of GM stock by 90% and given the unions a majority stake in GM, would you have approved?
As opposed to letting GM go completely bankrupt and dissolve? Sure! Also, yay for unions.
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Zeptepi0101 says:
If George W. Bush had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics, would you have approved?
Here’s mine: George W. Bush was a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics. What do I win? But seriously, wtf are you talking about?
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Zeptepi0101 says:
If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, would you have approved?
Only if he moved in for a liplock.
Also, Obama did not bow. The last thing you want us to look at is the Bush/Saud connection. Seriously, for your sake, distract us from that.
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Zeptepi0101 says:
If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current in their income taxes, would you have approved?
As long as they paid up according to the appropriate forms for doing so before they took office.
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Zeptepi0101 says:
If George W. Bush had burned 9,000 gallons of jet fuel to go plant a single tree on Earth Day, would you have concluded he’s a hypocrite?
How many people planted trees because they were led by that example?
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Zeptepi0101 says:
If George W. Bush’s administration had okayed Air Force One flying low over millions of people followed by a jet fighter in downtown Manhattan causing widespread panic, would you have wondered whether they actually get what happened on 9-11?
The administration or GWB himself? I’m confused at what level you’re blaming this screw-up on. I’m sure we can all agree it’s a screw-up, but I wouldn’t have blamed Bush personally for it.
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Zeptepi0101 says:
If George W. Bush had failed to send relief aid to flood victims throughout the Midwest with more people killed or made homeless than in New Orleans , would you want it made into a major ongoing political issue with claims of racism and incompetence?
Failed? Citation, please.
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Zeptepi0101 says:
If George W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?
Only if the CEO was demanding free government money so his company wouldn’t go bankrupt, and if it was clear that he had no intention of changing the policies that lead to his company’s near-bankruptcy.
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Zeptepi0101 says:
If George W Bush had proposed to double the national debt, which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had then proposed to double the debt again within 10 years, would you have approved?
Here is what George W. Bush did to the national debt. It’s considerably more than 20x when he started. Considerably.
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Zeptepi0101 says:
If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the non-existent “Austrian language,” would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?
If George W. Bush had been so Spanish illiterate as to refer to “Cinco de Cuatro” in front of the Mexican ambassador when it was the 5th of May (Cinco de Mayo), and continued to flub it when he tried again, would you have winced in embarrassment?
If George W. Bush had mis-spelled the word “advice” would you have hammered him for it for years like Dan Quayle and potatoe as proof of what a dunce he is?
These are mere gaffes, and Bush has made hundreds at least as bad as these.
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Zeptepi0101 says:
Don’t worry….he’s done all this in 5 months
It’s been eight months… Your post is copy/paste plagiarism.
October 1st, 2009 at 1:57 amOK, I owe Trollspotter a case of cokes.
I’d just like to reiterate here that every single bullet point Zeptepi0101 presented was 100% wrong. Do you know what you get when you pile up an enormous shit-ton of false propositions? Hint: it’s not a true proposition. Maybe the wingnuts should try a different tactic about now.
October 1st, 2009 at 2:20 amMaryEllen, ill make a deal with you ill leave the country as soon as all the non us citizens leave,secondly the goverment wasnt elected it was formed, now its like a parisite on the people, if your choices are dumb or dumber you take the more qualified idiot, i didnt vote for any of them, therfor if i think they suck, im allowed to say so, and damn that freedom of speach that allows me to. its not treason to have the opinion that our goverment has outlived its usefullness to the american people, and is more about political sides and who has the deepest wallets than bringing our people into a happy and productive society. my only real issue with obama is i tend to think he must of skipped math, if we have a negative number and we spend we end up with a bigger negative number, just because obama can spend money we dont have doesnt mean the rest of the country can, two if a companies going bankrupt, where does it make sence to bail them out, if they knew how to run their company they wouldnt be going bankrupt, guess they must be taking math lessons from obama
October 1st, 2009 at 3:44 amgoppalin4evr says:
How about just ridding our voter roles of morons as stupid as YOU? That would do more for our country than any other thing I can think of.
October 1st, 2009 at 10:31 amZeptepi0101 says:
WOW. Arent you embarassed about how stupid and brainwashed you are? You regurgitated a years worth of stupid Limborg programming. Do you even know what DAY it is before Rush tells you? Look you are a moron. We get that. You are always going to be a moron we dont really need rerun of the Rushthe Oxymoron show. Well we all know how stupid you are now so there is no need for any return engagements
October 1st, 2009 at 10:36 amdragonscars says:
Treason is defined in the Constitution. Advocating a military coup IS advocating treason. Try to keep up
October 1st, 2009 at 10:38 amThe best revenge is that Obama is only 9 months into his probable 8 years in office, and then another Democrat will take over, and then another one, and then another one. The Republicans are done in this Country for at least 30 years. And it’s their own fault. Their party is becoming smaller and smaller. Narrower and narrower. Don’t worry tho, Wingnuts…We’ll pick up the slack! And we’ll leave you with your mean nasty little world. Have fun! Don’t forget to write!
October 1st, 2009 at 11:44 am