Bush Administration’s Tourist Visa Policy May Have Cost America The 2016 Olympics
Bush Administration’s Tourist Visa Policy May Have Cost America The 2016 Olympics
In spite of President Obama’s lobbying efforts, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) may have chosen to reject hosting the 2016 summer olympic games in Chicago due to the post-9/11 visa tourist policies established by his predecessor, George W. Bush. Michael Froomkin, Professor at the University of Miami School of Law, is convinced that “the same stupid anti-visitor policy that is destroying American higher education” also sunk Chicago’s Olympic bid. Chicago was eliminated during the first round and received the fewest votes. A New York Times article points out:
In the official question-and-answer session following the Chicago presentation, Syed Shahid Ali, an I.O.C. member from Pakistan, asked the toughest question. He wondered how smooth it would be for foreigners to enter the United States for the Games because doing so can sometimes, he said, be “a rather harrowing experience.”
A “harrowing experience” may be an understatement. Immediately after 9/11, the Bush Administration began requiring fingerprints and photographs of tourists from all but 28 countries entering the US. President Bush required that all foreigners register online within three days of travel. Thirty-five (mostly European) countries now participate in the US Visa Waiver program, however tourists from the rest of the world still have to jump through the following hurdles:
- Pay hefty visa processing and issuance fees.
- Undergo an interview by a visa officer at the US Embassy.
- Provide evidence which shows the purpose of the trip, intent to depart the United States, and arrangements made to cover the costs of the trip may be provided.
- Present convincing evidence that an interested person will provide financial support if the applicant does not have sufficient funds to support him or herself.
The average wait for a US visa has risen to about three months. Brazil, which will host the 2016 Olympic summer games in Rio de Janeiro, has a reciprocal visa policy with all countries. US tourists are required to have a $130 advance visa before entry into the country and are fingerprinted and photographed upon arrival — matching US requirements for Brazilians.
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Bush: the embarrassment that keeps on embarrassing.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:23 pmMy recent guests from the UK told me that they were asked for their fingerprints before they could enter the US. So, the teabaggers are rejoicing because Bush killed any chances for the US to host the Olympics.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:24 pmYet another fine example of the Bush legacy.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:24 pmThe stupidhurts. George Bush ruined everything. Cheney ruined the rest. McCain almost ruined what’s to come.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:25 pmDon’t forget that many if not most conservative Americans DO NOT LIKE non-Americans, a fact which is well known to the rest of the world. I say this as someone who is very well traveled, have friends on several continents, and know of what I speak.
Why would the IOC award the games to an American city? This decision comes as absolutely no surprise to me. In fact, I expected that Chicago would be the first city eliminated.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:25 pmCouple of points:
We’ve got new leadership. If the visa policy is onerous, the new administration could/should change it.
Secondly, The IOC decided to award the 2016 cames to Rio.
It’s not about the U.S. It’s not about President Obama. It’s not about the First Lady. It’s not about conservatives highlighting Chicago violence. And it’s not about President Bush’s visa policy.
Apparently they haven’t had an Olympic games in South America. They probably put up a pretty good argument for the games to be in Rio.
It makes sense to spread the games around.
It’s their turn.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:25 pmAh, but Brazil’s reciprocal policy for US citizens is but a minor inconvenience for those of us who won’t be going; we may hear a howl or two from a sports buff, but who gives a rat’s arse? And think of all the people we’re annoying with our entrance procedures; our xenophobes would like it bumped up a notch or two (hell, slam the door and lock it, as far as they’re concerned).
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:26 pmFritz – Seems like we will never be free of Bush’s bad policies.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:26 pmI, too, heard this comment today from another source. It is too much hassle for foreigners to travel to the US.
That doesn’t mean Obama’s administration wouldn’t have relaxed some of the worst requirements, but …no guarantees at this early stage.
Repugs: isolationists, nativists, to the detriment of the country as a whole.
Actually, since we have had Olympics here several times, it is OK with me that they are in Rio, but the economic boost will be enormously missed — and that seems to have been the motivation behind the repugs.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:30 pm.
Heck of a Job, Bushie!
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October 2nd, 2009 at 5:30 pmUS tourists are required to have a $130 advance visa before entry into the country and are fingerprinted and photographed upon arrival — matching US requirements for Brazilians.
Pay back is a muther.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:30 pmAs much as Rio deserves it, and let’s face it – the US has hosted a number of times over the years, host in the Olympics in 2016 still could have had quite a much needed impact on the American economy.
It’s a shame that so many are so willing to celebrate a “perceived failure” of President Obama instead of being disappointed in what this means to Chicago and the rest of the country.
I see this as more attempts by conservatives to marginalize the President. It isn’t anything new. We watched the Republicans do it to Clinton. Celebrating any setback for Obama whether it affects the general welfare of the country or not.
Republicans — forever the “party before country” from here on out.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:31 pmI’m not sure that it gets us anywhere to blame a GW Bush post 9/11 policy on the loss of these games, as there might have been a number of factors. But even if this Bush era policy had even a modicum of influence in the decision for the IOC to vote to host the Olympics in Rio, then that’s a shame.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:31 pmIs MSM reporting this? I guess not, they have spent the last couple of hours slamming Obama and Michelle for they’re ‘Failure’. Unreal. Bush made major faux pas and MSM pooh-poohed them. Grabbing Andrea Merkel from behind? “Oh, how funny!” In Japan when he couldn’t open the double doors to escape reporters questions? “It could have happened to anybody!” WTF?
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:33 pmSo the wingnutters are rejoicing and other than people that would have benefited from jobs related to the Olympics, who really cares?
I say “Congratulations to Rio”. It’s about time that the Olympics came to our neighbors in the south.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:38 pmI think a lot of it is also that the world of tired America’s mess-ups and arrogance (we single-handedly messed up the world economy due to the greed of Americans WHO WERE ALREADY RICH; our attitude/approach to global warming; having taken our country to war based on nothing but LIES; Guantanamo, renditions, torture, etc..) most members of the Olympic Committee probably felt the U.S. doesn’t deserve the Olympics in light of all these things…
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:38 pmAll the wingnuts ranting about Obama?
The USOC selected Chicago in April 2007 in a head to head competition with Los Angeles.
The King of Spain was there.
The President of Brazil was there.
The Prime Minister of Japan was there.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:39 pmSorry, O.T.
Seven years ago today, Congress began a week long debate on legislation to authorize the use of force in Iraq. Seven years, $683 billion and 1.3 million lives later, we know Iraq did not possess WMD’s and had no connection to 9/11. But we already knew that; seven years ago.
Here’s an analysis of the Iraq War Authorization that was written by Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) the day the bill was introduced on October 2, 2002. In this analysis, Kucinich parses each assertion made in the Bush war resolution and concludes that the reasons put forth were simply not valid. Kucinich circulated this analysis among Members of Congress between October 2 and the vote on October 10, 2002:
Analysis of Joint Resolution on Iraq
by Dennis J. Kucinich
October 2, 2002
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/46660
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October 2nd, 2009 at 5:39 pmbackup says:
Couple of points:
We’ve got new leadership. If the visa policy is onerous, the new administration could/should change it.
Secondly, The IOC decided to award the 2016 cames to Rio.
It’s not about the U.S. It’s not about President Obama. It’s not about the First Lady. It’s not about conservatives highlighting Chicago violence. And it’s not about President Bush’s visa policy.
I know exactly as much as you do about whether or not this is connected to concerns about foreign visitors to the US. Which is to say: nothing. Why not start with “I think that…”? You’d be so much more credible if you weren’t stating as fact something you know nothing about.
That being said, and as much as it sticks in my craw (not craw! craw!!), I tend to agree. It clearly was South America’s turn to host the Olympics; North America has had the privilege plenty of times.
This post feels like a reaction to the Right Wing crap about the President’s trip, and the revolting response to Chicago’s failure to get the bid. But backup, you should be more careful about dismissing the notion that entering this country has become a big issue, particularly for people from the Middle East and South Asia.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:44 pmPD – Yeah, I read how the media is referring to this not being chosen for the Olympics as a BIG failure on the part of Barack Obama. Really? A big failure? Come on, this is nothing but sensational journalism. The media is now treating the President of the US and his family as if they are the new “britney spears or diaper woman or runaway bride or paris hilton”. To the media, the Obama’s are the new reality show. Step aside John and Kate plus 8, the Obama’s are taking over.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:45 pmWhat do ya mean? We welcome everybody to visit the USA…..as long as you are WHITE, Christian, speak English and aren’t French.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:45 pmGood try though. Although i think the music track to the video presentation was a bit festive for nine in the morning. They were selling fun while most were still waking up. I’d also like to have seen a presentation with a wider scope of what the city has to offer.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:45 pmThis issue about visas is mere conjecture and did not affect the selection. The competing bids for the Olympics are guaranteed by the country hosting the bid. In the US, the state and local governments bear the brunt of the financial part of the bids. This makes it more difficult for any US venue to host the Olympics. Most of the financing of the Chicago bid would have fallen on the city, county and state governments with some help from the feds. The other cities have the backing of their national governments on bids. There were issues about the financing of the Chicago bid. Rio got the games because the IOC went to a continent that never had the Olympics. You will see that Africa will eventually host the Olympics in the future. It is a political decision by the IOC.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:45 pmO/T,sorry.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:46 pmZooey,Shayne,Marie,Pete,EugeneDebs,Hadenough,
Thankyou again for wishing me well lastnight before my surgery this morning. All went well, its painful but my surgeoun prescribed Dilaudid, its a pretty good narcotic.
It will help with pain and make reading the trolls comments go down a little easier. Its going to be painful paying for it especially since im going to constantly be reminded of the repugs being against healthcare. Why the h#ll would any politician be against helping the people who put their useless a$$es in office. It boggles the mind.
sscncturn64 – pleased to hear that your surgery went well.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:50 pmPersonally, I think the money could be better spent building infrastructure for our own use not more venues for sporting events. Lets put the money, effort and time into developing mass transit (trains) and Green energy. Let the Corporate sponsored sporting events pay for themselves.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:50 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Well, as long as he sucks air, Bush is a pain int eh backside. So True.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:53 pmI hate how Conservatives(i.e. Wing-nuts) claim the media has a love for Obama. Really?? Faux News is an anti-Obama station. MSM has been practically laying the blame of this at Obama’s feet. MSM fails to mention this started in 2008, they fail to mention the trouble with the Visas. And what if Obama didn’t go? The Wing-nuts would be calling him anti-American because he blew a chance to make Billions for this country! Remember the Somali pirates? For days the Righies were calling him weak. Obama gave the order to take them out. What did the Righties say,”He did it all wrong!” WTF? YOU CAN’T WIN WITH THESE PEOPLE!
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:53 pmI’m sure the Righties will blame Clinton.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:55 pmIt wasn’t the Tourist Visa Policy.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:55 pmThey just knew that by 2016 the whole freaking country will be on the street with a tin cup and a cardboard sign.
gummitch. I agree with you here. I think the U.S. should work harder to get our policies to be as foreigner friendly as we can without sacrificing security.
I think our security procedures have alienated foreign travelers.
I just don’t think that issue would have that much impact on the award of the games.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:55 pmOn a related note to my earlier comment (#5 above):
Whenever I’ve returned from the Middle East (particularly Turkey and Egypt), I have ALWAYS been hauled aside at customs for additional questioning and search of my bags. Without fail.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:56 pmThis actually occurred to me earlier today…that perhaps the Olympic Committee decided the changes in policy enacted by the Bush administration regarding foreign citizens would create too many problems for the athletes, particularly since these would be the Summer Games in which more countries (including Moslem and/or Middle Eastern countries) participate.
It’s a question that merits further consideration…if these policies continue to remain in place over time, will this make it significantly less likely that the United States could be chosen as host for the games in 2018 and beyond?
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:57 pmsscncturn64, Speedy recovery…stay cool!
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:58 pmWhat does it matter why Chicago didn’t get the Olympics?
The important thing is the Right has secured a major victory! It came at the expense of the nation as a whole, but really, that’s insignificant, isn’t it? In the overall scheme of things, I mean.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:00 pmbackup says:
I just don’t think that issue would have that much impact on the award of the games.
Do you see the difference between this sentence and the way you previously phrased it?
I think that the decision had been made long before President Obama went to Denmark. Decisions of this magnitude just aren’t made at the last minute, when an enormous amount of money, not to mention the political issues, rests on the decision.
Perhaps Brazil will make beach volleyball clothing optional.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:00 pmMr.Duke says:
Well, it only took you a few hours to come up with the “blame Bush” reason for Chicago not getting the 2016 Olympics.
I have repeatedly said that Chicago did not get the Olympics because of the financial issue as well as IOC politics. Any other claims are preposterous. I abhor stories like this because they attempt to portray a cause and effect while ignoring the facts. I do not like Bush and I am not going to try to stretch facts to make Bush the reason why Chicago lost the games. Bush had nothing to do with this loss. There is no one in Chicago that are making any such silly claims.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:01 pmMaybe if Obama would have rubbed some shoulders or patted some A$$ he would have got the Olympics here. ARGH!
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:01 pmThe visa issue may have affected a few votes, the fact that the last two Olympics held in the U.S. were marred by a right wing domestic terrorist and a bribery scandal respectively may have affected a few votes. The fact that the midwest — even Chicago — does not hold the same perceived sex appeal as certain coastal cities may have even swayed a few votes. On the whole however this looks like the IOC simply followed its philosophy in awarding last year’s games to Bejing of spreading the Olympics to emerging nations as their infrastructures are able to support such a large festival. I do not begrudge Rio on bit. It is a wonderful — but dangerous — city which I have visited a couple times. Lula is making the right moves to nurture a middle class and reduce poverty without destroying the private sector. I likewise do not blame Bush, Obama or any other US politician. Promoting an Olympic bid is a ceremonial obligation that I would expect any president to perform. Not swinging the bid is hardly a “loss” for Obama. The one sector I do blame however is the right wing hate machine which appears to truly despise anything that it cannot control. Think Hannity will talk about Drudge, Redstate and Limprod as the “hate America crowd”? Me neither.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:01 pmAs dumb and discriminatory as the policy is, could Congress or the White House have waived the visa requirements for the Olympics?
I don’t expect the right to let up on their “Obama lost, yay!” cheerleading on this, but I’m getting sick of the MSM focusing on how much this bruises Obama. He tried and I’m glad he tried but it didn’t work out, congrats to Rio and South America — let’s move on, we have more pressing matters to attend to now.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:07 pmThe sad fact is that, despite electing President Obama, there’s not much reason for the World to trust us with the Olympics.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:07 pmThanks Cats,
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:08 pmIm disappionted that Chicago wont be hosting the olympics.
I was under the impression that Americans were proud to have the olympics in our country. I guess I was wrong. Wow, what a boost for the economy it would have provided. It also would have created some much needed jobs, but the repugs dont care about that. The repugs and talkingheads are using it as another reason to bash Obama.
Considering that repugs bash Obama on everything he says or tries to do they will never run out of material for their comedy fest.
I agree.
And I’m sure Daryll is looking forward to attending the Games, and hooking up with some of the friends he made last year while saving the souls of gay prostitutes in Rio.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:09 pmAt least President Obama and the First Lady represented the USA in a dignified and proper way. No nose picking, chewing with open mouth or stupid remarks….how soon we forget.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:14 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
just heard on an APradio report the the committee may regroup and try again for “two-thousand-twenty”… i’m trying to get in the habit of saying, say, ‘twenty-o-nine’, so i repeated that report as ‘twenty-twenty’ to my self…
hey! i like that:
CHICAGO 2020
get all the bullshit rules fixed in the meantime…
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:17 pmalso, just heard a report on ed schultz that ‘the fix was in’,
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:19 pmthat chicago was ’snookered’ into believing they had the votes…
would be worth finding and posting…
snookered by who for what reason?
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:22 pmWell, it only took you a few hours to come up with the “blame Bush” reason for Chicago not getting the 2016 Olympics. At some point in the next 100 years, maybe the Bush card will not be available to use anymore. — MrDuke
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Give. Me. A. Break.
That’s rich, that is! You lot used the Clinton card at every conceivable opportunity during the entire time that Bush was in office, including the four years in which the Republicans held the trifecta (White House plus both houses of Congress) from January 2003 to January 2007. Maybe when you guys stop criticizing Clinton for every possible reason you can think of, we’ll stop looking for reasons to criticize Bush — but why should we stop when you won’t? All you’re doing right now is demonstrating your own hypocritical double standard.
My, my…is that the sound of glass shattering I hear? Yes — methinks it is!
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:24 pmMr.Duke says:
You are really pathetic and ignorant. Lets see Bush has been out of office for what seven months? You wingnuts were still blaming Clinton for things that happened YEARS into the Bush presidency including 9/11 so your WWWWWAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH makes you look like a punk
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:25 pmWent to Brazil soon after they instituted their reciprocal fingerprinting and photo policy – You should have heard some of the angry “But I’m an American!” shouts.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:27 pmYeah, we see where you’re coming from here. Anything bad that happens to America is GREAT so long as you can sneer at our elected President.
Partisan politics first, country last: we get it, pal. We read you loud and clear.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:27 pmBroadsidejohn says:
My GOD you are a brainwashed moron. Just how did you manage to become so stupid anyway? Were special classes involved? At what point did it become clear to you that you were far too stupid to think for yourself so you would just regurgitate the idiocy Rush told you to think? Just STFU till you grow a brain
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:27 pmWow, that took longer than I thought for the troll infestation to hit. If my prior post was too oblique, I do not believe for a minute that this hurts Obama in any way no matter how much hate radio and the corporate owned media want to play that story. If the polls are remotely accurate, a huge majority of Americans seem to like the idea of the US hosting the Olympics. That would suggest they like the idea of having their president go the extra mile to try to help. What I do think has negative implications is the level of glee expressed by the right wing at the failure of Chicago’s bid which — as noted above — was supported by the populace. I may never say this again but troll on. The more outrageous hateful comments that come out of this not very significant issue the more undecided voters will realize that the right wing (i.e. Republican Party) is intellectually, philosophically and morally bankrupt. Thank you for showing your true colors in such graphic detail wingnuts.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:28 pmAfter 9/11 there was a pretty large mandate to tighten security so if that is the reason Chicago lost the Olympics. I wouldnt blame Bush for it. More like that is the price we pay. Perhaps we can look at the restrictions and see which ones we can ease without losing any security.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:29 pmsscncturn64 says:
O/T,sorry.
Zooey,Shayne,Marie,Pete,EugeneDebs,Hadenough,
Thankyou again for wishing me well lastnight before my surgery this morning. All went well, its painful but my surgeoun prescribed Dilaudid, its a pretty good narcotic.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:46 pm
I’m glad things went well for you, sscncturn64 — and surprised you’re home already. Good drugs…. ;)
Hey all, party at sscncturn64’s place tonight!
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:30 pmNow that the Cons have their “defeat” for Obama, maybe they will get with it and pass some Health Care reform. No….probably not.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:30 pm.
Come on…
… Was the G(no)P against Chicago because of VISA restrictions? Or because the President was from Chicago?
Or do they think more jobs for Americans is a bad thing?
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1460906593?bctid=43158474001
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October 2nd, 2009 at 6:38 pm.
Oh, I get it…
… ANYTHING TO CELEBRATE A FAIL!
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October 2nd, 2009 at 6:40 pmAt least Obama didn’t promise to “smoke ‘en out” and “get ‘em dead or alive”.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:40 pmsscncturn64,
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:41 pmDidn’t know that you going under the knife.
Get well.
jb,
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:42 pmOr, “Bring ‘em on.”
Well, it’s not like he started a needless war and can’t find any weapons of mass destruction.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:43 pmbackup says:
We’ve got new leadership. If the visa policy is onerous, the new administration could/should change it.
I wholeheartedly agree. Of course, if he changed it, the wingnuts would scream “soft on terror!” at the top of their lungs.
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backup says:
Secondly, The IOC decided to award the 2016 cames to Rio.
It’s not about the U.S. It’s not about President Obama. It’s not about the First Lady. It’s not about conservatives highlighting Chicago violence. And it’s not about President Bush’s visa policy.
The fact that Chicago got voted out in the first round is all about us.
In the final analysis, I don’t have a problem with not getting the 2016 Olympics. What I do have a problem with is us not getting it for a stupid reason.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:46 pm.
O.K.
According to the (R)adical (R)ight, Chicago has gang murders and therefor does not deserve to be host. Well, in America, the Olympics get bombed by CRAZY Americans.
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October 2nd, 2009 at 6:46 pmErr… #63, went. ;?
dizzy, I tell you I am.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:47 pmI predict that, even with Chicago not getting the Olympics, Obama will never rival Bush for amount or degree of failure.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:52 pm.
R E M E M B E R:
As of October 2, 2009…
… There have been NO TERRORIST ATTACKS on American soil.
A feat G.W. BushCo could not accomplish!
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October 2nd, 2009 at 6:56 pmHey BroadbuttJohn, your problem is with Syed Shahid Ali, an I.O.C. member from Pakistan. Did you read the article?
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:06 pmsscncturn64
Dilaudid–wow! I thought that stuff was no longer used. Shows you how much I know about medicine (not much).
Get better. No beer with them pills!
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:08 pmCrazy Legs, yes, I suppose it could be that, but a simpler explanation would be that the entire continent of South America has never hosted one and we’ve hosted eight.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:08 pmOh, you mean like George W. Bush?
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:09 pmCrazy idiot, you really are some kind of American. This would have been good for the country, and I don’t care who the President is or what party he belongs to. To gloat that we lost out because you think this like some sports game, where my side won and yours lost is sick. You are one sad American and human being.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:10 pmHey Zooey, I think if all the regulars here at TP got together and had a party it would be a blast. Have a few drinks and go on some wingnut blogs and laugh our asses off at all the stupidity. It would be like spending the night at a comedy club. Thanks Max,Jb.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:10 pmCrazy Legs says:
Couldn’t have been the fact that everyone involved in trying to get the olympics in chicago are crooks or had a personal interest could it?
No it couldn’t, because that’s a lie.
Throwing baseless insults at various parts of America is not the same thing as making a logical argument.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:12 pmsscncturn64 says: Count me in, just give me a time and place.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:12 pmCrap. These teabagging Christianista birther morons make me ashamed to be an American.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:17 pmGeorge W. Bush: “They say that the Olympics will come to Chicago if we’re fortunate enough to be selected, but really it’s coming to America, and I can’t think of a better city to represent the United States than Chicago.”
So which is he, Jeffy? A crook or does he have a personal interest?
You hugged his nuts for eight years, let us know.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:19 pmgullyfoyle, thanks for the idea. A cold one sounds nice right about now. I was surprised to be prescribed dilauded, im not complaining though. OK I will stay on topic now.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:19 pmCrazy Legs says:
“Apparently you missed Glenn Beck yesterday.”
Ooooh, Glenn Beck.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:20 pmThis changes everything.
/snark
EugeneDebs says:
Mr.Duke says:
You are really pathetic and ignorant. Lets see Bush has been out of office for what seven months? You wingnuts were still blaming Clinton for things that happened YEARS into the Bush presidency including 9/11 so your WWWWWAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH makes you look like a punk
You are barking up the wrong tree, Chihuahua. Clinton has been out of office for over 8 years. I talk and write for myself. What others say and do is not relevant to me. Sorry.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:22 pmYup, we know.
You said everyone trying to get the Olympics to Chicago is a crook or had a personal interest.
So which one is W? Simple question, dude. Can’t you answer it?
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:25 pmkaty says:
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also, just heard a report on ed schultz that ‘the fix was in’,
that chicago was ’snookered’ into believing they had the votes…
would be worth finding and posting…
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:19 pm
Also on the Ed show, was the suggestion that the African delegation, who were in favor of Chicago, were duped in the voting. Hopefully the games will be cleaner than the process of locating them.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:27 pmThe US has visa waivers with 35 countries and most of those are in the EU. The other countries need to implement certain security procedures with respect to the issuance and use of visas. I would imagine that the EU has similar rules like the US and they do not have visa waivers with most of the other countries. These security rules were implemented after 9/11 and the attacks in Europe.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:29 pmOnce while in China I had to go to the U.S. Embassy on four seperate occassions trying to assist business partners in obtaining a U.S. visa.
First you’ve got to make it through the line outside the walls of the embassy, past dozens of watchfull Chinese military guards.
Then, when you finally make it to the entrance, if you don’t have a verifiable appointment you don’t get in. Luckily I knew enough names of who worked there, so I was able to lie to get in.
Once inside, they treated my like shi*. I ended up loosing my business and the aprox. 80k I’d invested.
And that’s nothing compared to how horribly they treat chinese citizens. It was appalling – but it was while Bush was in office so it figures.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:30 pmAll the rethug teabaggers love to say how quick it came to “blame bush”. Well, it’s easy because 1) we intelligent liberals don’t have to wait and depend on talking points from others like you sheep do, and 2) because blaming bush is the truth. Bush bankrupted this country by spending the surplus he was left with and then borrowing trillions for his illegal wars and his tax cuts for his base “the haves and have mores”. By the way, notice how those bush tax cuts really helped the economy? Thugs are whiny losers. Keep them out of power and watch this country improve.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:33 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
@91, We put the blame where it lays. Bush’s policies almost destroyed this Country. Suck it up.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:39 pmBush destroyed America for good. The damage is too big, and Obama, as talented and full of good intentions as he is – doesn’t stand a chance. He can’t even pass a centric agenda without being portrait as Hitler, getting more death threats than any previous president and having the most awful MSM harassing him with wingnuts talking points every day. The pathetic congress doesn’t even allow him to move those 200 Guantanamo detainees, so he can close this shit-hole. It’s all so depressing.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:42 pmMy head may just explode….Rush, Glenn, Bill and Matt all said that it was Obama’s fault! How could they be so wrong????
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:43 pmblclem, god, you nuts are still blaming Clinton and Carter. We only had to go back 9 months.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:43 pmTook you even less time to decide to cheer a loss for America just because you hate the President. Cut off your nose to spite your face, good job.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:44 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
good gawd! that’s right! (h/t hardball)
dubya ‘lost’ the ‘05 new york city olympics!!!…
even after 9-1-1… 9-1-1… !!!
what a loser…
(snark?)
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:51 pmCrazyMORON says:
No it couldnt. It COULD however be that you are astonishingly stupid and brainwashed beyond all belief. I do love to laugh at morons as stupid as you though. Thanx for the free clown show
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:52 pmaaronk, since we are so pathetic, why do you keep coming here? Are just stupid or what?
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:52 pmThere are a multitude of things to legitimately blame on Bush. But Bush is not responsible for the Obama bashing. That rests squarely on the neocons, Republicans and the teabaggers. We are well past the blame game stage and it is time to move forward. The bashing is all about Obama and is a personal attack that has little to do with his policies.
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Mr.Duke says:
I dont bark. I bite MORON. You have never had an original thought in your LIFE. If you ever had one you would mistake it for an aneurysm
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:53 pm#93 iamwhoiam,
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:54 pmOperative word…
… Congress.
pags2 says:
I would imagine that the EU has similar rules like the US …
Interesting imagination you got there.
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blclem says:
It only took you guys 3 hours to blame Bush. I’m surprised it took this long.
Me too. Usually it’s more blatantly obvious how his screw-ups have harmed the country. This one took 3 whole hours of digging to find.
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aaronk says:
What a pathetic place this site has become.
Buh-bye! Don’t let the door hit you where your head’s stuffed up.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:55 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
aaronk says:
What a collosally stupid moron you have ALWAYS been. If you dont LIKE this place feel free to leave. There are several million other websites out there and we will try to deal with the void your departure leaves in our life.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:55 pmaaron
How in the world could ANYTHING make a moron like you feel smart. I scrape things off my shoe much smarter than you will EVER be
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:57 pmYou have discovered what a troll is, aaronk. Look in the mirror and see one.
October 2nd, 2009 at 7:59 pmaaronk, the puck who welched on his bet with Fred is here? I guess he’s going to spew all over this thread too.
What a waste of life.
October 2nd, 2009 at 8:00 pmaaronk, I guess then you are just stupid. You must really have a sad life if this is the best you can do.
October 2nd, 2009 at 8:02 pmDiversions…
Judge says CIA can cover up destruction of interrogation tapes
http://rawstory.com/2009/10/judge-says-cia-can-cover-up-destruction-of-interrogation-tapes/
Investigate the Entire Torture Team
http://ccrjustice.org/torture-team-cards
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October 2nd, 2009 at 8:10 pmElBruce says:
pags2 says:
I would imagine that the EU has similar rules like the US …
Interesting imagination you got there.
When I was in Italy last year, the airport security was divided between EU countries and the non EU countries. Airport security was far more restrictive than when I went in 1999. Illegal immigration and terrorists are big issues in Europe. I would be surprised if the EU has looser standards than the US for visa waivers. The US and EU have instituted mutual waivers because of the security policies that each have with respect to visas. I do not see why the EU would grant waivers to other countries unless their security procedures were strict. Maybe someone else can shed some light on this topic.
October 2nd, 2009 at 8:10 pmangels81 says:
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aaronk, since we are so pathetic, why do you keep coming here? Are just stupid or what?
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October 2nd, 2009 at 8:14 pmYes, he’s also :
-arrogant
-obnoxious
-childish
-craving for attention
-a cretin
Any more?
tony and lido
or as Debs would say a childish punk
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Crazy Legs says:
You are a liar and a fool. You are a stupid pile of dogshit. This site did NOT say it was Bush’s fault. Rather than a policy Bush put in may have been the reason for the loss of the Olympics. Not the same thing. As I said early on. If that is the price we pay for the higher security we mostly wanted so be it. I didnt blame Bush however the article points to a PLAIN FACT. I know you are too stupid to understand what a fact is. YOU are too stupid to know what water is. That is YOUR burden to bear. Just STFU and stop humiliting yourself
October 2nd, 2009 at 8:32 pmpags2 says:
Maybe someone else can shed some light on this topic.
If you’re going to introduce a claim, do your own research first. That’s all I’m saying. Bringing in something like that with “I imagine” is fail.
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Crazy Legs says:
As you sit on a hit piece entitled “It’s Bush’s fault.”
The title of this article is “Bush Administration’s Tourist Visa Policy May Have Cost America The 2016 Olympics.”
Reading comprehension ftw!
October 2nd, 2009 at 8:36 pmaareek the troll:
Did your trolling business gross enough this week to cover dinner for you and the fat wife at Golden Corral?
October 2nd, 2009 at 8:40 pmIf there is anything left, maybe you could get a shirt to replace the dirty purple one you’ve been wearing all week.
Yeah, I guess Bush was only a bystander as the towers came down, followed by a rush to a War of choice, torture, loss of Rights, deregulation of already runaway corporations, Halliburton, financial meltdown, graft, corruption, drowning of a major American City, using the US Justice Dept. and US Attorneys for political gain etc., etc. So don’t blame Bush, blame the whole GOP and anybody who ever voted for Bush.
October 2nd, 2009 at 8:46 pmReggie says:
aareek the troll:
“Did your trolling business gross enough this week to cover dinner for you and the fat wife at Golden Corral?”
It was a busy week.
October 2nd, 2009 at 9:21 pmHe made enough to bring the kids, too, but Golden Corral won’t let them in again.
jb says:
Yeah, I guess Bush was only a bystander as the towers came down, followed by a rush to a War of choice, torture, loss of Rights, deregulation of already runaway corporations, Halliburton, financial meltdown, graft, corruption, drowning of a major American City, using the US Justice Dept. and US Attorneys for political gain etc., etc.
Nobody could have predicted!
October 2nd, 2009 at 9:45 pmUnintended consequences: the “gift” from Bush that keeps on giving.
October 2nd, 2009 at 9:49 pmIt’s Bush’s fault! It’s Bush’s fault!
October 2nd, 2009 at 10:24 pmCool! I found another place to hang out with the lunatic fringe!
But why do people automatically assume it would have been good for the country to have the Olympics here? It would have been good for those people who get construction contracts, sure, but why would it be good for the country?
I live close enough to Chicago that this would have great potential to interfere with my bicycle touring vacations. It’s already bad enough that I have to avoid South Bend on weekends when Notre Dame has a football game, or southeast Michigan when there is a Nascar race at the Michigan International Speedway. What am I supposed to do? Hang up my bicycle and watch television while some Chicago fatcats make a killing off of the Olympics?
October 2nd, 2009 at 10:24 pm.
Dear Reticulator,
Welcome.
p.s.
It must suck that Chicago almost got a boost to their local economy both short and long term. I’m sorry that you’re opposed to more job opportunities and local improvements.
Cheer on…
… Be proud that you keep cheering for these small losses. It chips away the veneer you hide that character behind.
Oh, BTW,
How’s the job opportunities in Battle Creek, Michigan?
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October 2nd, 2009 at 10:44 pmReticulator says:
But why do people automatically assume it would have been good for the country to have the Olympics here? It would have been good for those people who get construction contracts, sure, but why would it be good for the country?
Jobs in the U.S. and cash brought in to the U.S. is good for the U.S. I’m not sure how this concept is too complicated for you.
Before yesterday I had never in my life heard anybody try to claim in any seriousness that the host nation of the Olympics doesn’t benefit from its presence. Never. The facts have borne out that the event pays for the increased infrastructure development in each host locale, and that development pays off economically for decades afterwards. Then there’s the contruction jobs. There’s also the massive amount of cash spent by visiting tourists from other nations.
But this is the principle that drives me nuts – basic things that everybody knew, or at least took for granted, all of a sudden become “controversial” the moment the right-wing thinks they can get even the slightest temporary political advantage from denying it. For all I know, I’m going to have to defend the law of gravity from these people by this time next week.
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Reticulator says:
I live close enough to Chicago that this would have great potential to interfere with my bicycle touring vacations.
I’ll weigh the minor inconvenience to one whiny person of not getting to bicycle wherever they want for a couple of months, versus $22.5 billion dollars in increased economic activity… OK, done.
October 2nd, 2009 at 10:50 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Cool! I found another place to hang out with the lunatic fringe!
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October 3rd, 2009 at 12:00 amWhere are the other places?
So, help me out here all you thinkers of progress …
When do the alleged sins of the Bush administration expire?
October 3rd, 2009 at 12:06 amOh silly me, the answer’s “never”. He’s not a cop-killer like your hero Mumia.
Reticulator says:
It’s amusing to see how the moonbat left has become an advocate of trickle-down economics.
What?!? I’m really confused by that.
“Trickle-down economics” refers to giving breaks to wealthy people and expecting them to pass those benefits gradually down the economic rungs of society. Infrastructure investment and tourist dollars from the Olympics don’t end up in any one pocket. They’re distributed from the start.
Wait, is this that wingnut thing where you just use words that “sound bad” isntead of actually saying something? Or is it the thing where you claim that we do the things that you really do?
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Reticulator says:
But could I please see a reference to the literature review on the net economic benefits?
Sure. Here’s the Chicago estimate. Here’s some info on Utah 2002. And some more. Happy reading. There’s a reason so many countries compete so hard to host an Olympics seven years in advance.
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Reticulator says:
Because AFAIK every time the state gets involved in building sports stadiums to subsidize billionaire owners and millionaire players, it’s a net loss. I haven’t read the studies myself, but have seen them referred to many times, and haven’t yet run into any refutation of them. I don’t know why the same effects they describe wouldn’t hold for the Olympics.
Long answer: the regional Olympic committee reimburses the local area for any expenditures involved in building stuff, with extra money throw in to pay future property taxes and maintentance. They make this from their cut of the television proceeds. At the end of the day, the local government gets a bunch of free infrastructure. Not just stadiums, but transportation, parking, hotels, convention areas, the whole shebang. There’s also all the money that people from all over the world spend at local businesses to be considered.
Short answer: the Olympics isn’t a for-profit organization.
October 3rd, 2009 at 12:17 amlets forget the fact that we hosted the winter games in 2002, i guess that was bushes fault also huh
October 3rd, 2009 at 12:28 amlibsarefun says:
So, help me out here all you thinkers of progress …
When do the alleged sins of the Bush administration expire?
When the practical consequences of his gross negligence and intentional malfeasance expire. But we all knew before the last election was over that it would take many years for that to happen. I think that deep down, you’re kind of glad McCain lost, huh?
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libsarefun says:
He’s not a cop-killer like your hero Mumia.
My hero who what now?
October 3rd, 2009 at 12:29 amActually,
October 3rd, 2009 at 12:32 amThis is one thing I would not balame on Bush, as much as I hate the self-proclaimed traitor.
If the Olympics was to live up to its mission statement it is the time to include South America and the 328Million people living there.
http://www.olympic.org/en/content/The-IOC/
ElBruce,
Please read those “literature review” links you posted. Eliminate all of the self-interested fluff from parties who stand to benefit financially and politically, who tell about the upside but don’t factor in the minuses. Then read what’s left. Read all the way to the end. Then you will probably agree with me.
As for the Olympic committee reimbursing the government for expenses, that works only if they have money to reimburse, which based on past performance is not likely to happen .
A piece of advice. Don’t believe Chicago politicians when they tell you crap. They spend a lot of time lying to people.
As to trickle-down economics, no the money is not distributed to the alleged beneficiaries from the start.
October 3rd, 2009 at 12:42 amSorry to rain on anyone’s parade but……. I lived in Rio for many years. Last year alone 8,235 ordinary, everyday people were murdered in Rio!
October 3rd, 2009 at 12:44 amReticulator says:
Please read those “literature review” links you posted. Eliminate all of the self-interested fluff from parties who stand to benefit financially and politically, who tell about the upside but don’t factor in the minuses. Then read what’s left. Read all the way to the end. Then you will probably agree with me.
Translation: “throw out everything the financial analysis and news reports actually say, make it up from scratch, and then twist it to say what I’m saying, then you’ll probably agree with me.”
Look, you asked for information, I took the time to Google it and provide the links. Now you’re telling me that I have to do some psychedelic read-between-the-lines conspiracy-theory transformation in order to get inside your head? I’ve really got better things to do.
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Reticulator says:
As for the Olympic committee reimbursing the government for expenses, that works only if they have money to reimburse, which based on past performance is not likely to happen .
Based on past performance, the Olympics is making money like crazy, more every four years. Tell you what, why don’t you actually read something, and give me sources for your claims instead of just making up whatever works for you, ‘k?
Your argument is actually weaker for making these claims than if you just didn’t post anything at all.
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Reticulator says:
A piece of advice. Don’t believe Chicago politicians when they tell you crap. They spend a lot of time lying to people.
The people I don’t believe are those who are bigoted against different parts of America, and who try to pit us all against each other. Wingnuts spend all their time lying to people.
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Reticulator says:
As to trickle-down economics, no the money is not distributed to the alleged beneficiaries from the start.
Yes it is. Again, you aren’t citing your crazy claims with anything. If a hundred thousand people from all over the world eat lunch in one city, the money doesn’t end up in one person’s pocket.
October 3rd, 2009 at 12:56 ambackup says:
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I think our security procedures have alienated foreign travelers.
Hell, our security procedures have alienated domestic travelers.
October 3rd, 2009 at 1:22 amEl Bruce,
You may have gone to the trouble to round up some links for me, but you obviously don’t know what’s written in the articles at those links. Even that wikipedia link talks only about the revenue, and not about whether it’s enough to pay the costs.
And as to trickle-down economics, I couldn’t make the argument better than you have that the benefits are trickle-down, except you don’t like using that term.
You are obviously unaware of much of the national debate about the economics of Olympics events or sports events. Here are some clues to show you that it’s not quite so simple and one-sided as you make it out to be.
October 3rd, 2009 at 1:39 amElBruce says:
pags2 says:
Maybe someone else can shed some light on this topic.
If you’re going to introduce a claim, do your own research first. That’s all I’m saying. Bringing in something like that with “I imagine” is fail.
There are 101 countries that need visas to enter the EU. Most of these countries appear to the same as those required in the US. However, there is no information on the specifics that EU and US require for waiver of visas. At best these are the factors that are used to determine the waivers of visas:
Biometric travel documents
Better border controls and
Stronger measures against organized crime and corruption.
None of this tells me more than general info and it still does not tell me the specific factors as to how visa waivers are granted or denied between countries.
October 3rd, 2009 at 1:40 amReticulator says:
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You are obviously unaware of much of the national debate about the economics of Olympics events or sports events. Here are some clues to show you that it’s not quite so simple and one-sided as you make it out to be.
Spare me. If the Olympics are so unprofitable and/or financially draining, then why would ANYONE even bother to bid for them in the first place?
That’s right, it’s because it IS profitable. So no matter what those TWO statisticians say in your article, there’s a reason why people know getting the Olympics for their city is more a GOOD thing than a bad one.
October 3rd, 2009 at 1:56 amReticulator says:
You may have gone to the trouble to round up some links for me, but you obviously don’t know what’s written in the articles at those links.
Well, it still beats the wishful thinking fantasies that you’re responding with, so I’m good for now.
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Reticulator says:
And as to trickle-down economics, I couldn’t make the argument better than you have that the benefits are trickle-down, except you don’t like using that term.
I love using that term, when it actually applies. It does not in this case.
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Reticulator says:
You are obviously unaware of much of the national debate about the economics of Olympics events or sports events.
Like everybody else in the world, I was unaware until it all sprouted into existence yesterday out of nowhere. Your link is dated October 2nd.
You turnip-truckers never cease to amaze me. It’s like trying to argue politics with the dude from Memento.
October 3rd, 2009 at 2:05 amSpare me. If the Olympics are so unprofitable and/or financially draining, then why would ANYONE even bother to bid for them in the first place?
Because they transfer wealth from the have-nots to the haves. Really, I already said this and there are many articles that describe how it happens.
Good grief, you could ask the same question about why people rob banks if it’s so bad for society.
I hope it’s really just the knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing left that’s responding here and that somewhere there are leftwingers with a tad more intelligence. Otherwise we’re really in trouble.
El Bruce, these things have been discussed long before October 2, 2009. If your google skills were as good as you claim, you would have found out quickly that the debate over the net benefits of subsidies for sports stadiums goes back to at least the mid 1990s.
October 3rd, 2009 at 2:31 amReticulator says:
Because they transfer wealth from the have-nots to the haves. Really, I already said this and there are many articles that describe how it happens.
No, they don’t. “I already said” isn’t a reason. You have cited no such articles. Nor have you explained how such a transfer takes place. Nor can I even imagine what you’re talking about.
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Reticulator says:
El Bruce, these things have been discussed long before October 2, 2009. If your google skills were as good as you claim, you would have found out quickly that the debate over the net benefits of subsidies for sports stadiums goes back to at least the mid 1990s.
As regards for-profit sports teams, that is often the case. I’ve been looking up this stuff regarding the Olympics, and the exact opposite holds true in everything I’ve come across. Before Obama went to Copenhagen, nobody anywhere ever said that Olympic events were bad for the local economies. That line of reasoning just got invented yesterday so wingnuts could have something new to attack Obama about.
I’m not going to do your research for you. The fact remains that you can’t back up the outrageous claims you’ve made here.
October 3rd, 2009 at 2:39 amblclem says:
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What a pathetic place this site has become. Bush derangement syndrome is for real!!
Maybe you guys should actually *read* the article before act as if ThinkProgress pulled the accusation out of thin air:
So, lemme get this straight: An IOC member voices concern over a policy that is most definitely a product of Bush and his administration, and somehow TP’s title: “Bush Administration’s Tourist Visa Policy May Have Cost America The 2016 Olympics” is something that has all the substance of a rightwing birther conspiracy?
Yeah, I didn’t think so either. Keep your heads in the sand, guys. After all, ignorance is the only thing that allows your arguments to make any sense at all.
October 3rd, 2009 at 2:43 amOMG Reticular. You make no sense at all. Lemme just say I’ll take common sense to your….whatever the hell you’re pulling out of your ass.
October 3rd, 2009 at 2:45 amThough I agree with the articles premise that US policy probably had a bad effect on any US entry, I think we are overlooking an obvious possibility. Did anyone look at the site proposals? Rio had an excellent plan for both the athletes and the attendees no matter where they came from. Since they have been trying for some time and South America has never seen one, it is just their time. Like President Obama said “congratulations Rio de Janeiro”. You know, with the hostile polarity in the US today even towards fellow citizens, maybe the world thinks it’s a bit risky coming here anymore!
October 3rd, 2009 at 4:41 amI guess I’d be called a “wing nut” or whatever… my joy for Chicago not getting the Olympics would be the same no matter who was in the White House. Daley is an utter criminal who has made an art of back room deals, cronyism and anything else he can do to make his friends and family rich. All the while taxing the living crap out of people in Chicago and presiding over the worst murder rate in the country and schools that are a complete joke despite billions in funds.
October 3rd, 2009 at 7:42 amKind of interesting how Nazi Germany was felt to be decent enough to host the Olympics, but America is not. What did Hitler have to offer that Dick Cheney doesn’t?
October 3rd, 2009 at 7:53 amOh what a crock….I swear friggin libs will put the blame on anything but where it belongs… thats ok..we ALREADY know what a colossal failure Obama is….I heard recently that Bush was to blame for asteroid projections in the Van Allen Belt…simple libs..lolol
October 3rd, 2009 at 8:25 amUnfortunately, lionsfan54, while you have every right to be glad that Chicago didn’t get the bid for personal reasons, I think we’re more upset that people are overjoyed because Obama “failed” to bring the Olympics to the US.
I mean, personally I wouldn’t be cheering if ANY US city failed to obtain the bid, whether it be Dallas or New York, Phoenix or Boston.
Well, maybe if Mount Vernon, WA failed.
October 3rd, 2009 at 8:27 amChicago didnt get the Olympics because UNLIKE half of this country, the members of the IOC arent under Obama’s spell. They can see what corruption exists in that city, how Valerie Jarret and company wanted to unload slum properties, how Mayor Daley and “certain” alderman feel the need to use strong arm tactics to force other councilmen and women into falling in line with TIF.. they realize that lining up with beacons of ethics such as The Apollo Alliance, ACORN, The Tides Foundation, and Alexi Giannoulias arent good for reputations…they realize that its not good for business to line up with a clown and his wife who feel there is no moral turpitude involved in patient dumping in Chicago. SO DONT SIT THERE AND SAY IT’S BUSH’S FAULT. BUSH ISNT INVOLVED WITH ORGANIZED CRIME. Dan Issa is getting closer Barack…you can start sweating now.
October 3rd, 2009 at 8:33 amSML says:
You know, with the hostile polarity in the US today even towards fellow citizens, maybe the world thinks it’s a bit risky coming here anymore!
I think that’s a part of it. They probably checked in to see what FAUX Noise was saying, discovered that whether the Olympics was held here seemed to be a politicized controversy in the U.S. and decided they didn’t want to have us fight over them.
But we didn’t decide it should be a political issue. The right-wing nutjobs decided that. The Olympics are supposed to be non-political, but wingnuts respect nothing.
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lionsfan54 says:
I guess I’d be called a “wing nut” or whatever… my joy for Chicago not getting the Olympics would be the same no matter who was in the White House.
No, I’d just call you an America-hater.
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lionsfan54 says:
…the worst murder rate in the country…
The Internet tells me otherwise. Chicago has the 16th worst murder rate, after Detroit, Baltimore, St. Louis, Newark, Washington, Oakland, Philly, Atlanta, Buffalo, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Memphis, Miami, Milwaukee, and Pittsburgh. It’s only slightly higher than Dallas.
Have you checked to make sure the things you believe are true, are true? You might want to do that before marching in here and proudly announcing your “informed” opinion.
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crotalus1 says:
….I swear friggin libs will put the blame on anything but where it belongs…
We aren’t the ones who even decided that there needed to be blame assigned for not getting a future Olympics. You started it. And as usual, the fight you picked rebounded on you because of the facts. Learn to pick better fights.
October 3rd, 2009 at 8:35 amHow arrogant…maybe…just maybe its because on top of the corruption in Chicago and the trail from it that leads to thew White House, they wanted Rio to have it…AND I AM THRILLED FOR THEM. What a pompous group of self-important, arrogant, college- mislead miscreants.
October 3rd, 2009 at 8:41 amWe aren’t the ones who even decided that there needed to be blame assigned for not getting a future Olympics. You started it. And as usual, the fight you picked rebounded on you because of the facts. Learn to pick better fights.
Excuse me?? Your the one who should pick the better fight buddy..Im not a one legged man in an ass-kicking contest like you…You want to cite corruption…Chicago’s political machine was in place long before George Bush.. Dont even get this train rolling..I could write volumes about Chicago..they stubbed their own toe on this..and they have no one to thank but themselves..So GROW UP..
October 3rd, 2009 at 8:45 amIn addition…members of the international community are beginning to see that this president is Mr. Duplicity…says one thing, does another..as much of a punk that he is, even Chavez can see this..
October 3rd, 2009 at 8:53 amcrotalus1 says:
…maybe…
This is the crux of all your arguments. If you can’t bring yourself to type something without leaving out the weasel words, then you don’t really believe what you’re saying either.
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crotalus1 says:
..they stubbed their own toe on this..and they have no one to thank but themselves..
Again, assigning blame. You didn’t have to bring it up. After all, lots of cities don’t get the Olympics every four years. There’s no shame in it; usually it just means somebody else put in the better bid. For my rebuttal to you, please read the article at the top of this web page and pretend I’m saying it in response to what you said.
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crotalus1 says:
In addition…members of the international community are beginning to see that this president is Mr. Duplicity…says one thing, does another..as much of a punk that he is, even Chavez can see this..
Obama’s super powers of flight, incredible strength and invulnerability, not to mention his heat laser eyes, have allowed him to avert at least three tsunamis in the past – what? Oh sorry, I thought we were having imagination-land time. I retract that.
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:03 amI agree that it’s about time for a South American nation to host the Olympics. But just for the record, Japan (Tokyo), which was eliminated in the second round, has been requiring fingerprinting of all foreign passport holders over age 16 years, including those with permanent residence status but excluding most Koreans and Taiwanese born in Japan and all diplomats when they enter the country since November 2007.
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:18 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Your post reminded me of a friend, who is actually a Jew from New York, who was frequently stopped for extra questioning at Customs even before 9/11, whereas her very WASPy-looking husband always gets through in a breeze.
J. Fred Smug says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:21 amWhenever I’ve returned from the Middle East (particularly Turkey and Egypt), I have ALWAYS been hauled aside at customs for additional questioning and search of my bags. Without fail.
When you arrive at the point of genesis….find a sage arguement and then start…
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:22 amcrotalus1
you started another fight you could not win. Your yellow and traitorous colors are on display for all to see:
Conservative conference attendees erupt in cheers when the U.S. is eliminated as Olympics site.”
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:25 amGlenn Beck also said that Vancouver went a billion dollars into debt because of the Olympics. However, in reality Vancouver has yet to hold the Olympics. As far as I can tell (because I usually don’t watch Becky), facts have never gotten in the way of one of his rants.
Crazy Legs says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:27 amApparently you missed Glenn Beck yesterday. He laid out all of the connections very neatly on his chalk board. Very interesting to say the least. :) Also, last I check(SIC), half of chicagos(SIC) politicians are either in prison or being charged or investigated for something. LOL.
The whold world came to the same conclusion. You are the only nuthuggers left. See election 08.
By the way, since you are so willing to sing the praises of the conservatism, how about answering on silly little question.
Name one success story for the republicans. Just one.
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:31 amDo you mean Darrel Issa the car thief? If so, then I am sure President Obama is really scared, about his vehicles, that is.
crotchedy1 says:
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:32 am. Dan Issa is getting closer Barack…you can start sweating now.
crotalus1 says:
You people have been casting aspertions on George Bush … for everything under the sun.
All I know is if he had made a quick trip to support a future Olympics bid in an American city (say, Dallas) during his term, I’d hope he succeeded. I certainly wouldn’t cheer if he didn’t.
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crotalus1 says:
Now that he got his pickle caught in a jam…
His who in a what? You’re acting like it’s the end of the world or something.
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crotalus1 says:
I have cited numeorus points as to why the IOC turned us down..
No, you really haven’t. Name-calling and fantasy fiction isn’t “citing.”
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:37 amWhen you arrive at the point of genesis….find a sage arguement and then start…
– Fresh out of sage. Will rosemary do? I have lots of rosemary!
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:18 amIn addition…members of the international community are beginning to see that this president is Mr. Duplicity…says one thing, does another..as much of a punk that he is, even Chavez can see this..
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October 3rd, 2009 at 11:20 amMight I get a quick look at the evidences which support your thesis statement?
Fred Flinstone posted this…
crotalus1
you started another fight you could not win. Your yellow and traitorous colors are on display for all to see:
Conservative conference attendees erupt in cheers when the U.S. is eliminated as Olympics site.”
Anytime you would like to put your mouth on the line trick…aint nothin but the clear blue sky between us..jump froggy. you wouldnt know the first goddamned thing about being a patriot…
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:21 amdbadass says:
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When you arrive at the point of genesis….find a sage arguement and then start…
– Fresh out of sage. Will rosemary do? I have lots of rosemary!
boy…there’s a comeback…how about yew sprig?
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:24 amLora Posted:
Do you mean Darrel Issa the car thief? If so, then I am sure President Obama is really scared, about his vehicles, that is.
crotchedy1 says:
. Dan Issa is getting closer Barack…you can start sweating now.
No Lora….what are you people ? 12 years old? Dan Issa senior ranking member on Congressional Oversight…This proves that you people dont know what the hell you are talking about..you dont even know who youare speaking of
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:27 amcrotalus1 says:
I have cited numeorus points as to why the IOC turned us down..
No, you really haven’t. Name-calling and fantasy fiction isn’t “citing.”
Chicago didnt get the Olympics because UNLIKE half of this country, the members of the IOC arent under Obama’s spell. They can see what corruption exists in that city, how Valerie Jarret and company wanted to unload slum properties, how Mayor Daley and “certain” alderman feel the need to use strong arm tactics to force other councilmen and women into falling in line with TIF.. they realize that lining up with beacons of ethics such as The Apollo Alliance, ACORN, The Tides Foundation, and Alexi Giannoulias arent good for reputations…they realize that its not good for business to line up with a clown and his wife who feel there is no moral turpitude involved in patient dumping in Chicago. SO DONT SIT THERE AND SAY IT’S BUSH’S FAULT. BUSH ISNT INVOLVED WITH ORGANIZED CRIME. Dan Issa is getting closer Barack…you can start sweating now.
DO YOU U N D E R S T A N D
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:29 amThis blog isnt worth staying on…I thought there might be factual, intellectual discourse….what we have here is a cadre of 12 year-olds who regurgitate the pathetic emotional throes of Ariana Huffington…what a mistake..but then again, what can I expect from the liberal party who expects everything for nothing, and believes they are “Truly Enlightened”…BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:33 amcrotalus1 says:
you wouldnt know the first goddamned thing about being a patriot…
To you it apparently involves supporting putting our troops in the line of fire based over lies, rooting against the United States in everything it does, trying to tear apart the U.S. government, and complaining about being expected to help maintain the country. So I think you have that word backwards.
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crotalus1 says:
Dan Issa senior ranking member on Congressional Oversight…This proves that you people dont know what the hell you are talking about.
Actually, that just demonstrates that we don’t know what the hell you are talking about. Please stop blaming us for your inadequacies.
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crotalus1 says:
Chicago didnt get the Olympics because…
Aaand you respond by piling on a lot more name-calling and fantasy fiction. You really don’t know how this “debate” thing works, do you? Back up one of your claims. Just one, for starters. We can take it in baby steps from there.
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rotalus1 says:
….what we have here is a cadre of 12 year-olds
…BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Game, set, match.
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:56 amRe: When do the alleged sins of the Bush administration expire?
October 3rd, 2009 at 12:33 pmThere is no statue of limitations for murder.
Lets keep it simple, don’t bother responding or writing to me if you cant name 20 cities in Iraq off the top of your head and at least 15 in Afghanistan. It’s been 8 years, thousands of articles, thousands of tv and journalistic pieces, hundreds of battles, thousands dead, hundreds of thousands who have returned home and walk amongst us. I think your a shitty American if you cant cross this simple thresh hold of knowledge and have no interest in running into the illogical Left.
Where are the meat and potatoes Left on this site. The smart intelligent and intellectually honest amongst you who know about Chicago machine politics, who know that there is genuine debate in the scientific community of the cocepts and procedures that surround Global Warming science and politics. Where is the rational left who was awake over the last 8 years and knows where the Nazi mudslinging started…
Im not here to argue with the idiots, the people who cry Bush’s name, im not here to argue that President Obama is a Socialist despite the fact I believe his policies are. I dont cry Obama’s name, I dont sing songs about him and I certainly have a problem with people who do…their the idiots I have no interest in learning from and teaching a bit of who sits opposite your political philosophies.
Now show me the cities, I want someone smart who has been paying attention to the wars, who might not agree but at least can demonstrate they have been paying attention, im tired of the Halliburton idiots, Bush lied idiots, illegal war idiots, it’s old hat completely irrational and by the way, one hell of a way to win political power and take a Presidency, so my congrats to the idiots who undermined the war on these false premises in order to take political power.
So, topic one, I want to talk to someone who is knowledgeable and rational on Iraq and also has knowledge of the environmental issues. As the smart ones in here remember back in 1991 Saddam Hussein lite hundreds of Kuwaiti oil well on fire BUT he also dumped 294 millions barrels of crude into the Persian Gulf, this is equivalent to 25 Exxon Valdez spills. So, lets talk about this simple fact and lets see if someone from the right can find a logical mind from the left that can form consensus on just what an act like that means from both perspectives…
Im tired on pounding Liberal idiots who have nothing in the critical thinking department but everything in the verbal regurgitation, mindless blah department. your unoriginal, dont think a lick and have little relevance to what goes on in this world.
And for the record, you all might want to defer to a Pakistani for Visa advice but im going to take a pass on that. Pakistan is a lost land with millions of human beings living in the most squalor, archaic, brutal and ugly of environments. Woman are force to cover head to toe, young girls are married off at 9, 11, 13 to 45 year old men and raped for years, mental handicapped, ill and damaged are left for death, people cancers and brain diseases get not treatment. Sure in the cities if your in the .05% with money you can seek help but for the tens of millions of others they have NOTHING! big old goose egg, nothing but Radical Islam guiding the way. So, for anyone here who gives a shit what a Pakistani official says about our Visa situation, I ask you, how Pakistani’s live in America? Because for all our “Visa problems” there sure are a lot of them. Now next time you run into one like i do all the time in my little CT shoreline town ask him his opinions on Waziristan or Meshud, you’ll learn a thing or two about Pakistan, things my American Pakistani friend finds wrong with his own country that have nothing to do with our Visa issues…
Ill be back looking for a few intelligent and intellectually honest Liberals here but in the meantime keep a grip on your idiot Left friends who are so stupid and selfish that even after 8 long years of wall to wall coverage still cant name even 5 cities in Iraq, that’s how you know someone is an empty vacuous political hack, 5 friggin cities after 8 years of reality…And so you know I hold this same standard to the idiots on the right, the reality is the people in my Liberal bastion of Shoreline CT who can actually rattle off some cities dont happen to be Liberals.
October 3rd, 2009 at 12:37 pmElBruce wrote:
Jobs in the U.S. and cash brought in to the U.S. is good for the U.S. I’m not sure how this concept is too complicated for you.
And a little while later, after being confronted with some actual information on the topic, he wrote:
As regards for-profit sports teams, that is often the case. I’ve been looking up this stuff regarding the Olympics, and the exact opposite holds true in everything I’ve come across. Before Obama went to Copenhagen, nobody anywhere ever said that Olympic events were bad for the local economies. That line of reasoning just got invented yesterday so wingnuts could have something new to attack Obama about.
So first he says the Olympics are good for the U.S.; then he backs off and speaks about the local economy, only. In other words, they’re the kind of corrupt transfer-of-wealth we had expected them to be.
October 3rd, 2009 at 1:24 pmTheILLogicalLeft says:
Lets keep it simple, don’t bother responding or writing to me if you cant name 20 cities in Iraq off the top of your head and at least 15 in Afghanistan.
Iraq: Ad-Dawr, Al-Awja, Basra, Fallujah, Al Hillah, Iskandariya, Muqdadiyah, Al-Qa’im, Samawah, Najaf, Nasiriyah, Arbil, Ramadi, Sulaymaniyah, Taji, Baghdad, Haditha, Kirkuk, Mosul, Tikrit.
Afghanistan: Kabul, Kandahar, Herat, Mazari Sharif, Kunduz, Jalalabad, Lashkar Gah, Taluqan, Puli Khumri, Khost, Charikar, Sheberghan, Ghazni, Sari Pul, Lampaka.
So what do I win?
Actually you know what, reading further down your huge waste of time, I don’t want the “prize” of your attention.
All you’re doing is demanding who you’ll deign to allow to talk to you, what you’ll allow to talk about and what positions you’ll allow in your little regal court debate. Not only that, you’re demanding informed, intellectually honest leftists who agree with you that global warming is scientifically controversial? Might as well come in here and demand unicorns, ‘cuz there ain’t no such thing: no informed and intellectually honest person can agree with such a claim.
You haven’t posted one single reason why anybody should want to talk to you. And from what I’ve seen so far, you ain’t no prize catch for a debate partner, that’s for damn sure.
Also, you don’t get to set the topic. The topic of this thread is set by ThinkProgress at the top of the page: “Bush Administration’s Tourist Visa Policy May Have Cost America The 2016 Olympics.” If you want to talk only about what you want to talk about and dictate all the rules, then go start your own damn blog. I’ll be the first not to read it.
Buh-bye now.
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Reticulator says:
So first he says the Olympics are good for the U.S.; then he backs off and speaks about the local economy, only.
Which parts of the United States do you consider to be part of the United States, “real American?”
October 3rd, 2009 at 2:23 pmAre you kidding me? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! It’s Bush’s fault that we didn’t get the Olympics?! When are you going to give up blaming everything on Bush? Stupid question, I know. And what’s killing American higher education are the so-called American “higher educators.” My daughter goes to the University of Louisville and she can hardly take all the liberal B.S. she has to listen to in her classes. At least two of her professors are African-American lesbians who are socialists and proudly remind them (the students) of that fact in every class.
You need only look no further than the current occupant of the White House as to why we lost the Games. The IOC felt slighted because NObama breezed in just hours before the vote and then back out again before the vote was taken. Next the President will lose the take over of the health care industry, but that’s a good thing. Plus, maybe the peoples of the world saw where, in Chicago, an honor student was beaten to death by street gang members. The idiot taping it on their cell phone should have put the phone to better use and called the police instead. Perhaps the kid might have lived; who knows?
October 3rd, 2009 at 2:44 pmNOBAMA SUPPORTER says:
When are you going to give up blaming everything on Bush?
Asked and answered above. When the consequences of his horrific mismanagement and intentional malfeasance finally have been rectified.
Now I’ll admit, Obama should have changed the policy. However, I can easily imagine what your lot would be screaming if he did relax travel restrictions from foreign countries…
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NOBAMA SUPPORTER says:
Stupid question, I know.
Look, we agree on something already!
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NOBAMA SUPPORTER says:
And what’s killing American higher education are the so-called American “higher educators.” My daughter…
Off topic and utterly retarded. Like I’m sure it’s anybody’s fault but your daughter’s if she’s not learning anything in school.
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NOBAMA SUPPORTER says:
At least two of her professors are African-American lesbians who are socialists…
How many strikes against them does that count as in your eyes? One? Two? All three?
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NOBAMA SUPPORTER says:
Te IOC felt slighted because NObama breezed in just hours before the vote and then back out again before the vote was taken.
Lots of world leaders show up to give a speech before the vote. I don’t believe they’re allowed to remain during the vote. Besides, didn’t you guys want him to keep the trip short? I remember you complaining about him being out of the country when so much was going on. Wouldn’t they have felt more slighted if he refused to go at all?
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NOBAMA SUPPORTER says:
Plus, maybe the peoples of the world saw where, in Chicago, an honor student was beaten to death by street gang members.
Like there isn’t any street violence in Rio De Janeiro? Do tell, this ought to be a good one.
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NOBAMA SUPPORTER says:
The idiot taping it on their cell phone should have put the phone to better use and called the police instead. Perhaps the kid might have lived; who knows?
If they didn’t, then I can’t disagree. But I don’t understand how that incident relates to national politics.
October 3rd, 2009 at 2:58 pmMe: So first he says the Olympics are good for the U.S.; then he backs off and speaks about the local economy, only.
ElBruce: Which parts of the United States do you consider to be part of the United States, “real American?”
Same parts you do. Brain much?
And who are you calling “real American”?
October 3rd, 2009 at 3:57 pmI guess the Obi/Opi and Mochellie dog and pony show didn’t impress the Olympic committee. What a “smackdown” as Oprah would say.
October 3rd, 2009 at 4:15 pmReticulator says:
Me: So first he says the Olympics are good for the U.S.; then he backs off and speaks about the local economy, only.
ElBruce: Which parts of the United States do you consider to be part of the United States, “real American?”
Same parts you do. Brain much?
If an economic opportunity comes available for a given city… and that city is in the United States… then it is fair to say that the United States benefited.
I can’t think of anything that perfectly evenly blankets every inch of the country with economic transactions (unless it’s perhaps Starbucks, ta-da-boom!). Most economic opportunities will have to occur in certain specific locations. With me so far?
This economic opportunity could have happened in Chicago. Chicago is located in the United States of America. Still with me?
So… the Olympics would have benefited the United States of America.
I’m at a loss here. Short of me hiring somebody to come over to your house with a whiteboard and perhaps some puppets to act it out, we seem to have reached an impasse of understanding.
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Reticulator says:
And who are you calling “real American”?
I thought you were familiar with that Palinism. See, a lot of wingnuts like you seem to think that some parts of America are horrible and bad, and not part of “real America.” Places like Chicago, New York, San Francisco, L.A, etc. they treat as if they were somehow foreign.
You were suggesting that a benefit to the economy in Chicago does not benefit the United States, so it seemed you were from Palin’s “real America,” which excludes most of America as a point of fact.
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Baloney says:
What a “smackdown” as Oprah would say.
Does Oprah say “smackdown” a lot? I don’t watch her show. Is that a common thing she says? I thought it was a pro-wrestling thing.
October 3rd, 2009 at 4:44 pmThe whackjobs and megalomaniacs are getting all bunched up I see…
October 3rd, 2009 at 4:49 pmthe Obi/Opi and Mochellie dog and pony show?
Can we delve deeper into this f ucked up weirdness. Freaks, geeks, the mentally unstable, and street people interest me
October 3rd, 2009 at 4:51 pmOh and I forgot the terminally unemployable, angry loners, redneck dipshits, and the author of that other bizarreness…
October 3rd, 2009 at 4:52 pmThe IOC felt slighted
October 3rd, 2009 at 4:57 pm—-
You’ve got the pulse of the IOC? Come on dipshit don’t bore me with all things trite and made up
dbadass says:
You’ve got the pulse of the IOC?
Most supporting information that wingnuts use to bolster their statements amount to imaginary telepathy – “this country thinks that, that country felt this, most of America really believes the other thing, Obama secretly wants to…” They probably think that since such claims seem unverifiable they can’t be challenged. They don’t seem to realize that many of these kinds of claims can be debunked with actual polling data. They certainly don’t realize that you would need polling data to support such claims if you want to introduce them into rational debate.
October 3rd, 2009 at 5:15 pmTo crotalus1,
Could you please tell us, since you are supposedly so much smarter than the rest of us, what district or at least state “Dan Issa” represents? I tried looking up his name, but all I could find as the “senior ranking member of the Congressional Committee on Oversight” was DARRELL Issa of San Diego, California.
crotalus1 replies to me about Darrell Issa:
“….what are you people ? 12 years old? Dan Issa senior ranking member on Congressional Oversight…This proves that you people dont know what the hell you are talking about..you dont even know who youare speaking”
from Wikipedia on Congressman DARRELL Issa:
“Allegations of criminal involvement in early years
In 1971, Issa allegedly stole a Dodge sedan from an Army post near Pittsburgh. The allegation was made by a retired Army sergeant, and published in a 1998 newspaper article. Issa denied the allegation. No charges were filed.
In 1972, Issa and his brother allegedly stole a red Maserati sports car from a car dealership in Cleveland. He and his brother were indicted for car theft.
Also in 1972, Issa was convicted in Michigan for possession of an unregistered gun. He received three months probation and paid a $204 fine.
On December 28, 1979, Issa and his brother allegedly faked the theft of Issa’s Mercedes Benz sedan. Issa and his brother were charged for felony auto theft, but the case was dropped by prosecutors for lack of evidence. Later, Issa and his brother were charged for misdemeanors, but that case was not pursued by prosecutors. Issa accused his brother of stealing the car, and said that the experience with his brother was the reason he went into the car alarm business.”
To Crotalus1,
October 3rd, 2009 at 5:49 pmIt seems to me that you are the only who doesn’t know what he/she/it is talking about and have a mind that doesn’t even match that of a 12-year old.
hahahahahahahaha
B.O. sure put all our millions to good expense again on his trip!
We lost it because while young youth’s lay dying on Chicago’s street…while he plays around on Air Farce 1.
Libs…you’re losing…just like I had predicted in February…when you overplayed your hands!
hahahahahahahahahha
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:12 pmOh…and commence vote down you gay morons!
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:13 pmWell I can see that non of you have a clue as well as TP whe it comes to what is required for someone to get in this country.
October 4th, 2009 at 12:55 amTo bad what TP has posted as required have been that way for years. My Aunt had to do all that as well as her family all the way back in the 70’s
So once again everyone wants to blame Bush because Obama can’t get it done.
To bad it has been 10 months since Bush has been in office. Yup Bush went over there and told them not to give it to the US.
Let me know when you bleeding hearts finally wake up and start seeing that Obama is all you think he is and that he has lied to you from the start. He doesn’t care about anyone but HIMSELF. To bad the US is the one that is going to suffer.
Oh and just in case you don’t believe it next time you hear him speak why don’t you count the number of times he says I instead of us or we. It is all about him not the country.
Outlaw284 says:
Well I can see that non of you have a clue as well as TP whe it comes to what is required for someone to get in this country.
To bad what TP has posted as required have been that way for years. My Aunt had to do all that as well as her family all the way back in the 70’s
Actually reading the cited text and clicking the links at the top of the page is an important step to not looking like a complete idiot. Behold:
Bold added for stupid.
Here is the link they’re referring to, dated Jan 5 2004:
Again, bold added for supid.
As for RealtyCheck, try harder. I’m not impressed.
October 4th, 2009 at 1:31 amJ. Fred Smug says:
Don’t forget that many if not most conservative Americans DO NOT LIKE non-Americans, a fact which is well known to the rest of the world. I say this as someone who is very well traveled, have friends on several continents, and know of what I speak.
I can say that you are talking out of the side of your mouth and don’t know what you are talking about.
October 4th, 2009 at 1:44 amNot only have i been to a lot of the other countries but I have family in 7 different countries and they all tell me the same thing. They are only being told the bad things that are going on in the US. And that what they see on the TV doesn’t match what they have seen of people visiting their countries. So you want to try another lie.
As to “conservative Americans DO NOT LIKE non-Americans” That is the biggest lie yet. They don’t have a problem with non-americans what they have a problem with is ILLEGALS. There is a big difference and if you weren’t hidding in your basement then you would probibly know that.
And since all you Libs keep saying that it is the “Rich” that have all the breaks and that they are Republicans then I guess they would be the ones that are traveling to all the other countries and are the ones that all the people are meeting and not having a problem with.
Oh and 2 of those countries that I have family in are in the Middle East and France. So try another lie that one doesn’t work. Better yet why don’t you try and do what you are claiming you do and travel more. And across the US doesn’t count. And neither does mail order brides sorry
Outlaw284 says:
Not only have i been to a lot of the other countries but I have family in 7 different countries…
All personal claims made by wingnuts are lies. Thus, I can conclude that you’ve never traveled outside of your home town.
October 4th, 2009 at 3:03 amNOBAMA SUPPORTER says:
The idiot taping it on their cell phone should have put the phone to better use and called the police instead. Perhaps the kid might have lived; who knows?
If they didn’t, then I can’t disagree. But I don’t understand how that incident relates to national politics.
He can’t help but to pile on, just like Drudge…Of course Drudge and this guy are too bright to actually link Obama to this heinous crime, but still the insinuation is there. Who says they don’t politicize deaths like that?
October 4th, 2009 at 5:01 amRealityCheck says:
hahahahahahahaha
B.O. sure put all our millions to good expense again on his trip!
We lost it because while young youth’s lay dying on Chicago’s street…while he plays around on Air Farce 1.
Libs…you’re losing…just like I had predicted in February…when you overplayed your hands!
hahahahahahahahahha
People like you don’t give a damn about the youth who died, but rather use his death for political gain…how classy…where is your point to make things better in Chicago? You don’t have any ideas, but rather just political attacks. Figures…
October 4th, 2009 at 5:02 amOh and 2 of those countries that I have family in are in the Middle East and France
October 4th, 2009 at 9:37 am—
So either the Middle East is a country or their is an unnamed country within France?
“there”
October 4th, 2009 at 9:37 amNazis murdered 12 million Europeans (6 million Jews). Why would Europeans want the Olympics hosted in America when they see Americans calling Europeans Nazis for having universal health care coverage?
October 4th, 2009 at 6:50 pmA ship does not sail on yesterdays wind
October 4th, 2009 at 9:21 pmElBruce says
I am sorry if you are to poor to be able to leave your basement and your mother and father.
October 4th, 2009 at 9:31 pmAnd your statement about “All personal claims made by wingnuts are lies. Thus, I can conclude that you’ve never traveled outside of your home town.”
I guess you were talking about yourself there. And I don’t care if you believe me or not. I know the countries that I have been to I have seen things that people in this country think they know about and I just laugh because people like you have no clue what you are talking about and never will because you aren’t willing to travel to other countries and see for yourself. You would rather take the word of your leaders as the truth. To bad you will never leave your mom and dad’s basement.
Outlaw. I am sorry you are such a bone ignorant moron. We are all sorry you are so stupid and brainwashed. The entire human race is embarassed to be the same species as someone as stupid as you. Do the world a favor and STFU until you grow a brain
October 4th, 2009 at 11:41 pmI was in favor of the games. I lament the outcome.
One point being kicked around is whether or not the games make money for the host city. Here is an article (old now) that addresses this issue: http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/summer04/gen/news/story?id=1849911
Perhaps this will satisfy some people.
October 5th, 2009 at 2:01 ami aint you says:
A ship does not sail on yesterdays wind
9/11 wasn’t Clinton’s fault?
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Outlaw284 says:
I am sorry
I have quoted the portion of your statement that you got right. You should start over with the rest and try again.
October 5th, 2009 at 2:07 amA Fascsit Police state that condones wars for profit, torturing of prisoners, wire-tapping and locking-up more per capta than any nation in the world does not deserve the Olympics.
Face it folks – we are an evil country and the world knows it.
October 5th, 2009 at 10:24 amElBruce says:
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i aint you says:
A ship does not sail on yesterdays wind
9/11 wasn’t Clinton’s fault?
It was only his fault in the aspect that he did not take Abo la $h!t head out when he had the chance, In truth it was verybodys fault, so i hold them to blame
October 5th, 2009 at 11:44 amEugeneDebs
I am still waiting for that test. I have the tests for you. Let me know when you have the guts to try.
October 5th, 2009 at 11:54 amYou still haven’t been able to prove that you can do my job and know everything that goes with it. Now you want to talk about who the moron is. I see you are still working for someone and don’t have your own business yet.
Come on eugene we all know that you talk out the side of your face and haven’t a clue what you are saying. You can’t even use facts to back you up you have to retort to calling people names.
The only moron here is you in the fact that you and Bruce haven’t got a clue as to what you are talking about. You say that the Repubs are the party of hate and all of that and yet it is you and your libs that keep calling people names. If the world hates the US it is because of people like you not the Repubs.
Thank you for your sharing.!
October 7th, 2009 at 3:32 pmWould be a real bummer if the tickets were successfully obtained only to find you then were not allowed to go. yüz estetigi
October 9th, 2009 at 9:28 am