Chamber to Apple: You don’t understand our ’21st century approach to climate change.’
Chamber to Apple: You don’t understand our ’21st century approach to climate change.’
U.S. Chamber of Commerce President Tom Donohue, who last year called for further “scientific inquiry” into climate science because of a “cooling trend,” today rebuked Apple for leaving his organization. Apple — recognized as the most innovative company in the world — had criticized the Chamber for not having a “more progressive stance” on climate change, saying, “We strongly object to the Chamber’s comments opposing the EPA’s efforts to limit greenhouse gases.” In an angry letter, Donohue argued they did not understand the Chamber’s “21st century approach to climate change“:
I am sorry to learn of Apple’s resignation from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. It is unfortunate that your company didn’t take the time to understand the Chamber’s position on climate and forfeited the opportunity to advance a 21st century approach to climate change.
Of course, Apple is right. The Chamber of Commerce has a retrograde stance on global warming, opposes regulating greenhouse gas emissions, and has become an enemy of a clean-energy economy. In fact, in an unusual merger of interests, long-time Apple rival Microsoft has also distanced itself from the Chamber’s radical views.
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Chamber to Apple: You don’t understand our ’21st century approach to climate change.’
What the Chamber meant was: The policy of active denial is still in place.
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October 7th, 2009 at 3:11 pmThe Chamber of Commerce has a retrograde stance on global warming…
– - Maybe the Chamber of Commerce would understand if Apple explained it in MS-DOS language.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:15 pmif there’s one company that’s fallen behind the curve technologically, it’s Apple… that’s for sure.
Wait, what?
October 7th, 2009 at 3:17 pmLady Edith Hasselhoff says: Count me in, too, please!
Tom Dinosaur is pissed that the Holy US Chamber of Commerce is losing big time members…climate change has nothing to do with it.
Tom Dinosaur’s job is at stake.
Look at that pic of this Dino. He doesn’t represent small business, he represents large corporations…you know, the ones that make their own rules and tell you with your next billing statement.
The USCoC days as a major lobbying force are over.
Remember their radio ads regarding EFCA? They lied through the entire ad, claiming that Unions would destroy small business.
Tom, take a walk with Derbyshire; you two are like peas in a pod.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:18 pmApple to Chamber: “Buh-bye, Dinosaur!”
October 7th, 2009 at 3:18 pmBadmoodman says:
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The Chamber of Commerce has a retrograde stance on global warming…
– – Maybe the Chamber of Commerce would understand if Apple explained it in MS-DOS language.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Yeah ………..While using a blackboard and an abacus …..
October 7th, 2009 at 3:19 pmThe Chamber of HorrorsCommerce will certainly be happy when the corporations of America have made their profits, and the nation of America is an unlivable desert.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:20 pmInterpretation: We represent humongous corporations who secure huge profits by polluting and destroying the earth. We are not about to support anything that will cost them one red cent when it comes to reducing their profits and giving us a lot of money to be their lap dogs.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:20 pmHuh.
So much for the tort reform argument…
October 7th, 2009 at 3:20 pmLady Edit, I also requested a language based BAN on InsaneLowerAppendageFreak.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:21 pmEr, Lady Edit(h)
October 7th, 2009 at 3:22 pmWhat’s the over-under on how long it takes the Chamber to jettison this political hack?
And, Lady Edith Hasselhoff, I’m with you a hundred percent, but I don’t know how one goes about doing this. Is it the “report abuse” button?
October 7th, 2009 at 3:23 pmIt is unfortunate that your company didn’t take the time to understand the Chamber’s position on climate and forfeited the opportunity to advance a 21st century approach to climate change.
The Chamber’s approach is not only to stop from putting on the emergency brake as the car careens toward the cliff, it is to put higher octane fuel in the engine so it goes faster!
October 7th, 2009 at 3:24 pmIn an angry letter, Donohue argued they did not understand the Chamber’s “21st century approach to climate change“
Hey Tom – I hate to break it to you, but “government shouldn’t do anything just let the free market fix it” isn’t a 21st Century approach. It’s a 19th Century approach, which is what started this whole mess in the first place.
Nor is your “get every country to agree on a global free trade-based solution to the climate crisis before anybody does anything” approach. That’s more of a 22nd Century approach, since that’s how long it will take all the countries of the world to agree.
Well, not counting Bangladesh, the Maldives, Seychelles, and Micronesia, of course. They’ll have drowned by then.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:25 pmI completely agree with Lady Edith Hasselhoff that what Crazy Legs had said was out of line.
I’m glad Apple got out of the Chamber of Commerce. It must feel good to get away from that dinosaur!
October 7th, 2009 at 3:27 pmYes, NinierFan.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:27 pmBe sure you use it only on the post you want to flag.
Although you probably can’t flag yourself.
Might be fun.
Thank you, Apple.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:28 pmThe Chamber of Commerce’s world is certainly heating up.
NinerFan, okie beat me to it!
I’m on board too Lady Edith, CL won’t know what hit him.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:29 pmCaption contest: “Timmy — do you like hanging around Turkish baths?”
October 7th, 2009 at 3:30 pmDonohue argued they [Apple] did not understand the Chamber’s “21st century approach to climate change“
Which is the same as their 20th Century approach;
October 7th, 2009 at 3:30 pmWhich is the same as their 19th Century approach;
Which is the same as their 18th Century approach.
It’s not hard to understand why the CoC is so adamant against climate change legislation. They’re against it for the same reason that genocides go without intervention: To acknowledge it demands that you act on it.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:32 pmI have always been on the side of justice, Edith, and I do stand beside you regarding CL’s banning.
However, this doesn’t keep him away. He merely comes back with another name and doesn’t learn his lesson. I don’t think we want to be led around the same old routine by him again, so I do hope that TP takes action.
What that action is I haven’t the foggiest.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:32 pmAlso, regarding the troll attack:
This is the essence of 1st Amendment freedoms. It’s not an infringement on free speech so long as it’s not an authority (in this case, TP) limiting it.
We can smack him down as often as we’d like
October 7th, 2009 at 3:33 pm:-)
It is unfortunate that your company didn’t take the time to…advance a 21st century approach to climate change.
If I squint my eyes and tilt my head, I can make that read that Tom wanted Apple to invent a solution to make all this icky climate stuff go away. Isn’t it all just SEP?
October 7th, 2009 at 3:34 pmPurple, banning’s a pretty serious thing and it throws a monkey wrench into his action. He could (and probably) would come back but it is a BIG pain in the neck. His neck.
Just ask backup/captain mantastic.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:36 pmcaption…
“My understanding of climate science is exactly this big.”
October 7th, 2009 at 3:36 pmDoes Tom even believe in Dinosaurs (versus Adam and Eve)???
October 7th, 2009 at 3:38 pmIt appears that Apple understands the COC’s approach to climate change all too well.
Which is why they left.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:39 pm20, got my vote!
October 7th, 2009 at 3:40 pmI’ve lost count — has the number of companies leaving the Chamber of Commerce exceeded the number of companies who’ve pulled their advertising from Glenn Beck?
It appears both entities are toxic nowadays.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:41 pmChamber to Apple: You don’t understand our ’21st century approach to climate change.’
I don’t understand either. How does shipping all the U.S. manufacturing jobs to China effect climate change?
October 7th, 2009 at 3:42 pmLH–I reported him. I am tired of his tired comments.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:47 pmLynB—The only thing Tom and the rest of the climate change deniers believe in is profit. They use the Bible and junk science to the same end. It’s all a sham. Their mistake is in thinking that we are like GW Bush, asleep at the switch.
Keith Relf says
October 7th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
20, got my vote!
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Mine, too. I am fairly tolerant of people posting opinions I don’t happen to agree with. But racist and sexist slurs cannot and should not be tolerated, and merely voting the perpetrator down is insufficient.
And yes — I have been known to flag posters for this offense even if their basic ideology is progressive.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:47 pmThe Chamber’s approach is more 5th century than 21st.
Donohue probably also believes that the Earth is flat, and the Sun orbits the Earth.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:48 pmThis ancient fossil is a perfect spokesman for Corporatism which is a form of fascism.
These folks are truly evil.
Capitalism is a failure. It leads to Corporatism.
Humans are doomed by our greed.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:50 pmI have been doing that every time crazy or one of his other sock-puppets has used the c word, but unfortunately it has fallen on deaf ears.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:51 pmMaybe it is time to take the issue directly to the boss and ask him why Think Progress condones the use of the c word.
faiz@thinkprogress.org
Apple made a wise decision.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:52 pmThey are a huge manufacturer, representative of what the Chamber
is supposed to champion,
but many of Apple’s customers are small businesses or self employed.
The Chamber’s anti-environmental and anti-union stance
makes it uneasy for them to be green or progressive.
Judging by his picture, U.S. Chamber of Commerce President Tom Donohue isn’t worried about climate change because he probably won’t be around long enough for it to effect him.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:57 pmAnother creepy, self centered dinosaur.
“Maybe it is time to take the issue directly to the boss and ask him why Think Progress condones the use of the c word.
faiz@thinkprogress.org”
TP’s e-mail links appear to be broken.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:58 pmHuh.
ctcaguy: “Capitalism is a failure. It leads to Corporatism.”
Corporate capitalism is a failure. Capitalism, as envisioned by its inventor, Adam Smith, still works. The key is that capitalism must be regulated.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:00 pmYes Apple was wondering about your 21st century plan. but can not understand why you are still using a commandor 64?
and rotary phones.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:01 pmI can sort of understand Donahue’s stance , though ; looking at him , he shouldn’t be nearly as worried about global warming as much as he should a solid bowel movement …………..
October 7th, 2009 at 4:02 pm21st century approach? I’m glad to know I won’t have to do anything in this century, I will just tell everyone I have a 21st century approach.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:03 pmKeith, just saying that Crazy Legs/Pat Pomery/oilforillegals/obamawipe$ has done this more than once and has been banned more than once.
He’ll come back, sadly, but his derailing trademarks are easily spotted.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:06 pmCrazy Legs is Pat Pomeroy, Purple State?
October 7th, 2009 at 4:09 pmhow is their approach 21st century ?
Keep polluting and we’ll be dead and gone before it gets too bad ?
Global Warming is only really a big problem in the 22nd century. So who cares ?
At Home I have a super decoder ring and space ship. I’ll fly to Xanxor if it gets too bad ?
October 7th, 2009 at 4:10 pmHaving the head of any advocacy group purport to lecture its membership is usually not a good sign for the health of said interest group. Donohue turned the CoC from a pro-business lobbying group focusing primarily on tax and trade policy into a full bore regressive NRA-style “we want ours and f*** the rest of you” adjunct of the Republics. Chamber dues are steep so the defections are hurting the bottom line. Sounds like fossil boy is taking some heat and not reacting well. Would be nice to see him join the ranks of the unemployed soon.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:10 pmApple makes money and Tom DonutHoe sucks cash from corporations with a great big mouth and no brains.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:16 pmWhy do I get the feeling that Mr. Donohue’s “21st century approach” is to rely on God to save us when the ecosystems start collapsing? Or, perhaps, he feels that only the “lesser people” will starve?
October 7th, 2009 at 4:19 pmTrue, he’ll keep coming back. But the idea is to give him enough of a headache that he’ll give up trolling on a progressive blog and find a more productive use of his time.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:21 pm“You don’t understand our ’21st century approach to climate change.’”
Uh… pollute without caring one bit if it destroys the planet as long as you profit?
Is it that approach?
Thought so.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:30 pmOne must wonder if Donohue and the Chamber of Commerce has “their own position” on Gravity.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:48 pmWhereas Crazy Legs is a little pet project of mine I feel I should mention that not all of my patient recover. Perhaps it is time to shut Crazy Legs down. With the ever popular universal ignore. Mind you this does not mean vote down. Instead complete ignore. Let them stare at the zero.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:51 pmAnd that just may be the source of the resistance to climate science. The rich and powerful think that they can survive the collapse. They think only poor people can starve and never really consider what, as an example, a billion starving Asians could do to their false sense of security.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:57 pmMugsy: “One must wonder if Donohue and the Chamber of Commerce has “their own position” on Gravity.”
Well, gravity is just a theory isn’t it?
October 7th, 2009 at 5:02 pmOT:
Good afternoon, dbadass.
The local duck numbers are in from the opening of hunting and, as predicted, there are no Northern birds in the Southern half of Minnesota. They are about two weeks late. Still no rebound for the Mississippi flyway’s coot. 15 years ago one could walk across a marsh on their backs and they’re just gone. And, since they aren’t sought after by hunters and aren’t pretty enough for birders? No one seems to notice, much less care.
Goose populations and mallards are up, everything else is down. Teal and wood-ducks are especially hard hit. They suffer in Spring droughts when the little potholes dry up and they have to compete with the big ducks on bigger bodies of water.
October 7th, 2009 at 5:07 pmHi pete
October 7th, 2009 at 5:14 pmIt is so tragic what is going on. Odd thing is that I really like coot.Don’t even get me started on Moorhen. They have become damn near extinct it seems…
Ruddy duck, redhead, canvasback. It is the same deal everywhere it seems…
October 7th, 2009 at 5:14 pmpete:
October 7th, 2009 at 5:21 pmHave you paid any attention to the shifts occurring in marine species distribution and related oceanic phenomenon?
Oops! I forgot the canvasback. That’s odd because they are my favorite to hunt and eat. They are actually one of the local success stories. When I started hunting they were under 20,000 birds for the whole flyway and were completely protected. Then the federal government, Wisconsin, and Ducks Unlimited spent a bunch of money protecting their breeding grounds.
This year saw a small decrease from last year but it’s still about 300,000 birds. And the Reichwhiners say humans can’t fix anything?
October 7th, 2009 at 5:21 pmYes, dbadass. Birds and inland waters are easier to keep track of but I don’t remember the last time I heard of a success story in the marine environment.
October 7th, 2009 at 5:24 pmStriped Bass and Humpback whale could be argued but aside from managed populations I am more concerned about the ominous signs the the entire marine system is distressed
October 7th, 2009 at 5:30 pmheh, something tells me apple will be just fine.
October 7th, 2009 at 5:48 pmVery true, dbadass. The oceans are telling us there’s trouble and “they” keep ignoring it. And the best minds in oceanography and marine biology have been screaming for, at least 40 years. Yet? they are still being ignored despite the fact that we are having to fish in 5,000 feet of water in the most underutilized ocean basins to find masses of protein. How would you like to start a cod fishing business or a Gulf-shrimp business?
October 7th, 2009 at 6:16 pmWood duck populations seem to be way up down here in Texas. Nothing official, just observation out the back door on the lake. Probably has something to do with the drought in the Austin/ SA/ Hill country area and that we have had a rather wet year here in North Texas.
October 7th, 2009 at 6:25 pmpete says:
“Goose populations and mallards are up, everything else is down.”
This follows the “weedy species” theory that wildlife which are able to adapt to human altered environments will thrive, while others that depend on specific habitats will steadily decline as their habitats and food sources are destroyed.
October 7th, 2009 at 6:25 pmThanks, noseeum! I had forgotten about the “weedy species” theory. It might be because we have so many examples here and we’ve even “created” a few.
The Twin Cities has a thriving Peregrine Falcon population due to the combination of reintroduction, tall structures, and a cleaner river. It’s been a bad couple years but wood ducks still get a boost from suburban nesting boxes. The “giant” subspecies of Canada goose magically reappeared after it was thought extinct. And deer, raccoon, red fox, and others seem to have benefited from human influences.
October 7th, 2009 at 7:43 pmThe dinosaurs of the Chamber will one day power our cars.
October 7th, 2009 at 10:15 pmquestioneverything says:
The dinosaurs of the Chamber will one day power our cars.
Very true.
But? I think that you should add that Mother-nature’s getting pissed.
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