Rep. Ryan admits GOP was negligent on health care for 12 years: ‘We should have fixed this under our watch.’
Rep. Ryan admits GOP was negligent on health care for 12 years: ‘We should have fixed this under our watch.’
In an CNBC debate with Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) today, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) railed against a government takeover of health care until CNBC host John Harwood interjected and asked him, “Congressman, do you not agree that the private market is failing the American patient right now?” Paul agreed that we “do not have a market system working in health care today,” and said, “Let’s fix health care, let’s fix insurance, let’s make sure the uninsured get insured, let’s make sure we have a fix for people with pre-existing conditions.” Frank then interjected and called Ryan out:
FRANK: I just want to ask Paul one question. … When did you figure that out? Because apparently for the 12 years that the Republicans were in control — eight of which had a Republican president — that hadn’t occurred to you. So I’m glad you now understand that. Can you tell me at what moment the revelation occurred?
RYAN: First of all, I introduced on this subject about six years ago.
FRANK: You had control of the Congress. Why didn’t the Republican Congress fix it?
RYAN: I will have a moment of bipartisan agreement. We should have fixed this under our watch and I’m frustrated we didn’t.
Watch it:
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The system is fine for them, they have coverage and go golfing or fishing with the CEO’s. Voters had to vote on “values” or “security” not policy decisions.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:00 pm.
RYAN: I will have a moment of bipartisan agreement. We should have fixed this under our watch and I’m frustrated we didn’t.
Yet, (R)epublicans are content with complaining about how the Democrats are fixing what (R)epublicans wouldn’t do.
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October 7th, 2009 at 1:00 pmGood question Mr. Frank.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:02 pm.
For $503.00 per year, members of Congress get Gold Level health care services. No waiting, no rationing, no death panel. Just walk in, be seen, and if necessary, see a specialist for free!
Yep, nothing to complain about. NO?
Talk about abject reality. They think if they’re O.K. the rest of America must be O.K. They have health care services at a beck and call, so must Americans. It’s affordable for them, it must be affordable for Americans.
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October 7th, 2009 at 1:05 pmThat’s some trendline.
Republicans didn’t want to do anything about health care because their buddies were getting rich off of the baby boomers. My family went to several financial planners during that time — all of them wanting to “help us” manage our money/investments (for a fee, of course).
They all mentioned that the baby boomers and their upcoming medical expenditures were a terrific opportunity to make money. I remember the phrase: “like a pig going through a python.”
Nothing was regulated because with regulation the major corporations couldn’t make scads of money, and just like the way the Bush administration blocked attempts by state governments to prevent predatory lending practices, the republicans didn’t think there was a problem… until it all comes crashing down.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:08 pmKeep in mind, though, that “fixed” means something totally different to a Republicon.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:08 pmRYAN: I will have a moment of bipartisan agreement. We should have fixed this under our watch and I’m frustrated we didn’t.
And yet, NO Republican is doing anything to help the process along and fix it now. They only vote NO.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:09 pmI googled his name and “health care” and he does seem to be one those few Republicans who actually gives a crap about health care. I’m going to take him at his word that he’s frustrated and has been fighting an uphill battle.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:10 pmHe may have introduced a bill, but I’m sure it was worse than doing nothing.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:16 pmBarney Frank is one tough SOB
October 7th, 2009 at 1:17 pmIn other words, the GOoPers want health care reform as long as it’s not a plan put forward by the majority party?
October 7th, 2009 at 1:20 pmNice to see the rare moment of Republic honesty but unless the Republic Party wants to help solve the problem it allowed to fester I have little sympathy. I have no tolerance for this collection of ideologues insisting that the vaunted free market which has failed the consumer should be allowed to stay in place.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:22 pmI’m put in mind of the scene from Aliens when the young Colonial Marine lieutenant loses it and Sigourney Weaver takes charge. He starts griping that he’s in charge, then the Paul Reiser character shuts him down with “You had your chance, Gorman.”
October 7th, 2009 at 1:22 pmFox News alert:
Rep. Paul Ryan (D-WI) admits he supports socialized healthcare.
More on this story as it develops….
October 7th, 2009 at 1:23 pmAnd yet they’re fighting this now, against what the American people need. They’re scared to death Democrats will be successful—AND they want to keep taking the corporation’s money.
Mo Rage
October 7th, 2009 at 1:27 pmThe blog
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Aaron Rodgers has health coverage, right? Catastrophic? heh
October 7th, 2009 at 1:29 pmerronk, does it make you mad that the Defense Department pays $100 for a hammer?
October 7th, 2009 at 1:32 pmFox news calls the republican head and tells him
rushbo plaese dont be to mad at ryan>>> he did not mean it>>>
it was that big meanie Barney that made say that.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:33 pmAs always Mr. Frank hits the nail on the head, but John Harwood knew this as well, just as all of the so-called media, the Repuppetcans had been in charge since their “Contract ON America” until 2006. These idiots all know this but because they all made so much money robbing all of us they stay quiet and act like all of a sudden things have gone to hell.
RIP
October 7th, 2009 at 1:33 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Shorter Ryan: I was asleep for eight years. Dubya hip-mo-tized me.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:34 pmerronk, does it make you mad that the Republicans made it illegal for Medicare to negotiate with Big Pharma for lower drug prices?
October 7th, 2009 at 1:34 pmAre those the purchase prices for 1 or 350,000? And millions of wheelchairs that are expected to last. Shipped anywhere in the country in large quantities.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:34 pmyes
October 7th, 2009 at 1:36 pmIn other words:
Just trust the republics to do the right thing.
I watch the body language of these people, I listen to their disingenuous rhetoric, and I think, they stand alone as the slimiest of the slime.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:36 pmOT but I thought this was appropriate:
“Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.”
October 7th, 2009 at 1:37 pm–Tom Harkin
erronk, why did you love wasteful government spending from Jan. 21, 2001 until Jan. 21, 2009?
October 7th, 2009 at 1:37 pmaaronk!
Are you secretly William LaJeunesse?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/05/tracking-taxes-medicare-waste/
And your ‘competitive bidding program’ was implemented…
http://www.bio-medicine.org/medicine-news-1/Medicare-Bidding-Program-in-Kansas-City-is-Plagued-by-Problems–Says-American-Association-for-Homecare-16014-1/
Where were those savings again?
October 7th, 2009 at 1:38 pmWhy do you never complain about it?
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aaronk says:
shoeless says:
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erronk, does it make you mad that the Defense Department pays $100 for a hammer?
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yes
So maybe we should get rid of the DOD?
October 7th, 2009 at 1:39 pmI do, but this is a thread about healthcare, and the hot topic is government reform, public option….etc.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:40 pmI didn’t!
October 7th, 2009 at 1:40 pmhaha….I would write that article to if I were the one benefitting from the waste.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:43 pmerronk, stop lying. You have never complained about wasteful spending by the DOD.
This is about health care. So, tell me why you never complain about the Republican law against Medicare negotiating for lower drug prices.
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haha….I would write that article to if I were the one benefitting from the waste.
Okay.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:45 pmWhere are the savings?
Why did you say it hadn’t been implemented?
Why did you parrot FoxNews with no attribution OR understanding?
haha?
You are kinda funny, I guess…
I am not even aware of this law, but if it becomes a thread, I will complain about it. Would you like the address the waste instead of just saying “well, they do it to” like a child?
October 7th, 2009 at 1:45 pmThen why didn’t you complain about wasteful government spending for those 8 years?
October 7th, 2009 at 1:46 pmspecialK doesn’t count the illegal invasion of Iraq
his bff bush didn’t either
at least not in the budget
personally, I’m tired of these big-govt right wingers wasting our tax dollars on welfare for the rich
let the rich buy their own yachts and mansions, we need roads, schools, health insurance, and infrastructure
October 7th, 2009 at 1:46 pmI am not even aware of this law, but if it becomes a thread, I will complain about it. Would you like the address the waste instead of just saying “well, they do it to” like a child?
What this thread is about is the Republican’s failure to fix health care during their 12 YEARS in power… YOU brought up waste (using someone else’s innacurate words) but YOU brought that here…
We are attempting to address the waste, you are attempting to DE-RAIL our efforts with your distractions, like a spoiled child.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:48 pmthe savings will come from the bidding process. This was a different program implimented in Kansas City, and obviously done poorly. I pasted from Fox News and put it in italics. Here is the link http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/05/tracking-taxes-medicare-waste/?test=latestnews
Once again, why do you advocate a government healthcare system, and honestly think they will reduce healthcare costs, when their track record shows the opposite?
October 7th, 2009 at 1:50 pmIt is called the Prescription Drug and Medicare Improvement Act of 2003. I’m surprised you didn’t hear about it. It was in all the newspapers.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:51 pmI did
October 7th, 2009 at 1:51 pmI was in my early 20’s and didn’t care about politics then. If it is as you say it is, then I am against it.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:52 pmRep. Ryun is only upset because when the republicans controlled congress they didn’t pass a mandate that all citizens purchase healthcare.
That would have fixed it for them.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:53 pmerronk, my private health insurance premium went up 10% this year. Did your’s go down?
October 7th, 2009 at 1:53 pmnot trying to de-rail anything. The headline features a chart indicating the rising healthcare costs. I am merely showing that the government will not reduce those costs.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:53 pmwent up 7%, but I chose a higher deductible option causing my premium to actually go down 2%
October 7th, 2009 at 1:54 pmerronk, when you are ignorant, you should keep quiet.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:54 pmpoor little specialK
his ideology depends on him not understanding the facts, since the facts run counter to his ideology
best just to ignore him, he doesn’t have the capacity to absorb facts, and will reject them out of pure partisanship
October 7th, 2009 at 1:55 pmerronk, why do you consider 7-10% anuual increases to be controlling costs?
October 7th, 2009 at 1:56 pmaaronk says:
shoeless says:
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erronk, does it make you mad that the Defense Department pays $100 for a hammer?
yes
you are right…
and make a good case to slap fine contractors that that commit fraud. so it snot the gov thats the problem its the contractors over inflating prices.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:57 pmwhy do you advocate a government healthcare system, and honestly think they will reduce healthcare costs, when their track record shows the opposite?
Huh.
I dunno, didn’t you just say this…
the savings will come from the bidding process. This was a different program implimented in Kansas City, and obviously done poorly
Oh wait, I know! Because the Government health insurance program we are advocating will hopefully not be tampered with by the Republicans too much and will therefore NOT be done poorly…
October 7th, 2009 at 1:57 pm(p.s. the ‘competitive bidding scheme’ that somehow is completely different from the one that William LeJeunesse was advocating but is actually part of the exact same program/legislation and you think was done ‘poorly?’ Who’s scheme is it? Hint: it’s part of the Medicare Modernization Act of 2003… who could it be, I wonder?)
The rethugs were too busy with their anti flag burning ammendments and turning the clock back on environmental rules. How could they actually notice what the average americans were going through…..They were too interested in GW Bush’s base “the haves and the have mores”
October 7th, 2009 at 1:58 pmTranslation: We were arrogant enough to believe all that “permanent majority” stuff, so we assumed our campaign funding from insurance and pharmaceutical companies was safe. In hindsight, we should have used reconciliation to ram through a mandate in Jan. 2001.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:58 pmIf the government, thru our trusty politicians, wont cause prices to go down thru competition or breaking up the cartels, what will?
I dont think big insurance has any desire or reason to lower costs
October 7th, 2009 at 1:58 pmI am merely showing that the government will not reduce those costs.
Explain then how COSTS are lower in EVERY other industrialized nation with some form of ‘public option’ (hint: ALL OF THEM)
Interesting, don’t you think?
October 7th, 2009 at 1:59 pmRepublicans and conservative overwhelmingly deny global climate change. When the dems take that on, are the going to suddenly become experts on that and know better ways in which to deal with it? Of course that is a rhetorical question because everybody knows they never have any answers.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:00 pmFor christ sake aaronk,
You’ve been totally pawned, punked, slapped down, exposed for a fraud, a welcher, a lier, a paid advocate for the healthcare industry, and a total punk in general.
If you insist on continuing to post at least show some self respect and change your name.
Every time I see it I just want to puke.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:01 pmerronk has never heard of that law, and he is not sure it exists. He was not interested in politics or wasteful government spending until Jan. 21, 2009.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:03 pmI don’t
October 7th, 2009 at 2:04 pmOnce again a stupid troll confirms that they love spending to kill people but spending to help people is “waste”. Sick and twisted.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:05 pmOctober 7th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
No, erronk does not understand what you are saying.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:07 pmabout 2005
About as much sense as I’ve come to expect from you, aaronk… how about none?
October 7th, 2009 at 2:07 pmLone Voice,
During a session of Congress, in order to show their disagreement with the President and the proposed legislation on climate change, the republicans will all stand together waving pamphlets with the title “The Republican Plan on Climate Change.” Then they’ll chastise the democratic party for not negotiating in good faith when they have a plan readily available.
Except, that the pages will all be empty and all they’ll have is a title.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:08 pmI see. So, you probably heard about Katrina. Is that when you decided to become a Republican?
October 7th, 2009 at 2:09 pmPeople like aaronk who have free health care can’t see what all the hubbub is about, because they can’t see past their own nose. Under the current conditions they will soon be paying for it, and people who already pay for it will pay more, and those who can barely afford it now will not afford it. It is as simple as that.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:12 pmSee, aaronk… you don’t get to spend 12 years breaking Government and then point to the failures that occurred under your watch as evidence of ‘Government’s failure.’
As you so aptly pointed out, sometimes the problem is not with program… it’s just been done poorly.
And the Republicans have done very, very poorly.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:12 pmaaronk, Michele Bachman’s illegitmate son.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:12 pmThey really can’t offer anything, Rich H. If they actually advanced a reasonable proposal? Some Democrat might agree with it and then they would be banished from the GOP for agreeing with a Democrat. So? They have to “propose” crap that will be thrown out, or make no proposals at all, rather than appear to be collaborating with the Democrats.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:13 pmBut he likes government failure. He became a Republican because of what Bush did to those black people in New Orleans.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:14 pmaaronk says
October 7th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
not trying to de-rail anything. The headline features a chart indicating the rising healthcare costs. I am merely showing that the government will not reduce those costs.
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You’re not “showing” any such thing. Medicare still operates with much less overhead than private insurance companies do. Medicare doesn’t show a profit, and it doesn’t have stockholders. Medicare doesn’t pay its executives millions of dollars. Medicare doesn’t have an advertising budget. Medicare doesn’t spend $2 million A DAY lobbying Congress to keep its gravy train running.
Furthermore, Medicare takes everyone who meets the age and/or disability requirements to join. They don’t cherry-pick their insureds. They don’t reject people based on pre-existing conditions. And they don’t rescind policies to improve their bottom line.
So what do you have? Five cherry-picked examples of how Medicare wastes money? Where’s the rest of the list? Where’s your convincing evidence that private insurance companies operate far more inexpensively and efficiently than government programs?
Yes, there’s waste in Medicare that can be cleaned up (I personally have a beef with the Hoveround chair racket). But I still have less problem with my tax dollars overpaying $35 for a diabetic supply kit than I have with my premiums paying millions of dollars to executives and lobbyists.
But since you are against any government involvement in fixing health care, are you happy with the system now? Are you happy that emergency room care to treat preventable conditions in uninsured people make YOUR premiums go up and suck up YOUR tax dollars when it would have been cheaper to insure these people and keep them healthy?
And if you’re not happy with the current system, how would you fix it? Please don’t give us the tired “solutions” of tort reform, tax cuts, and allowing health insurance companies to operate across state lines. That would just unleash a flurry of posts explaining why these ideas don’t work, which would just take up more space in this thread.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:17 pmRemember when the Republicans brought out their budget proposal, and it turned out to be an empty folder?
October 7th, 2009 at 2:18 pmshoeless,
That’s exactly what I was thinking. How many fools are going to support republican policies in the next election?
October 7th, 2009 at 2:20 pmMaybe they were going to save money in the budget by not buying paper to write down their budget proposal.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:22 pmyou guys are pathetic. Instead of addressing the wasteful spending in the only form of government healthcare that we currently have, you attack me personally, or bring up the DOD. Classic deflection from reality.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:23 pmInstead of addressing the wasteful spending in the only form of government healthcare that we currently have, you attack me personally, or bring up the DOD. Classic deflection from reality.
We ARE addressing it. WTF do you think is going on in Congress?
October 7th, 2009 at 2:25 pmClassic divorce from reality… Jeebuz.
erronk, how does the Republican bill address wasteful government spending in healthcare?
October 7th, 2009 at 2:27 pmRYAN says, I will have a moment of bipartisan agreement. We should have fixed this under our watch and I’m frustrated we didn’t.
I’m so frustrated, I’d like to whack Representative Ryan over the head with a rotting trout for standing in the way of health care reform.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:28 pmaaronk says:
hey you pathetic yellow weasel turd coward.
You still have not responded to me about calling me a racist
Whats the matter your troll handlers have your balls in a bag locked up next to your manhood.
I know that bag would be very small.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:29 pmMax Anax junius -1 says:
For $503.00 per year, members of Congress get Gold Level health care services. No waiting, no rationing, no death panel. Just walk in, be seen, and if necessary, see a specialist for free!
This isn’t much higher than my monthly payment for health insurance not nearly as good.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:36 pmThe stupid troll, predictably, misses the point or ignores it. Medicare has some problems with waste and/or fraud. Those problems are constantly being addressed and, in fact, most of them are brought to light by those inside the system and many of the horror stories involve cases where the shortfall has been made good. But none of them detract from the simple fact that Medicare has served tens of millions of people well. I might add that every single study I’ve seen indicates that waste and fraud are far more prevalent among private insurers.
On a personal note: I had to call an ambulance about six weeks ago and just saw the bill summary. I noticed that they tried to charge Medicare for oxygen when I didn’t get any oxygen. I called the ambulance service and the local Medicare office and had it removed from the bill. The overwhelming number of cases of waste are ones like mine with the exception being that no one caught it.
BTW, between Medicare and my supplemental? My cost was $0.00
October 7th, 2009 at 2:39 pmaaronk says:
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you guys are pathetic. Instead of addressing the wasteful spending in the only form of government healthcare that we currently have, you attack me personally, or bring up the DOD. Classic deflection from reality.
Exactly!
October 7th, 2009 at 2:42 pmInstead of addressing the wasteful gummint spending which has been going on for over 40 years, the Left, who preach diversity attacks and demeans and debases those that do not mimic the progressive line.
Instead of addressing the wasteful gummint spending which has been going on for over 40 years, the Left, who preach diversity attacks and demeans and debases those that do not mimic the progressive line.
And yet neither of you has addressed the FACT that every other industrialized nation in the world has some type of ‘public option’ and all of them have universal coverage and they all pay LESS than we do… significantly less…
Interesting, no?
October 7th, 2009 at 2:44 pmThat’s right, Ryan.
Should’ve
Could’ve
Didn’t.
Now please shut-up and get out of the way.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:48 pmHeh! Over the last 40 years the Republicans held the White House for 28. They held the House and/or Senate for 30. Do the stupid trolls really want to break out the graphs to see where all that “wasteful spending” really came from?
October 7th, 2009 at 2:49 pmpete says:
On a personal note: I had to call an ambulance about six weeks ago and just saw the bill summary. I noticed that they tried to charge Medicare for oxygen when I didn’t get any oxygen.
I hope you’re okay now pete!
Years ago I was shown someone’s hospital bill where the hospital had charged over $30 for an aspirin.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:51 pmSo much for the tort reform argument.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:51 pmMost of the “wasteful spending” went into the pockets of big corporations, courtesy of their “bought” politicians legislation and lack of regulations.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:55 pmThat’s what the “pro-business” politics of the GOP are based on.
There is one part of my Medicare coverage that doesn’t work as well. That’s the prescription drug coverage that was farmed out to private insurers. My supplemental covers the “doughnut hole” but every few months they decide they don’t want to cover one of my prescriptions and I have to get a doctor to inform them that I need that medicine to avoid dying and I have to convince them that paying half of my income for medication is a legitimate hardship.
October 7th, 2009 at 2:56 pmThank you, mary lacewing, I’m (relatively) fine now. But aging can be a drag.
I have, however, spent far too much time in hospitals and am all too familiar with bill padding and the medication rackets are the worst. I cringe when I consider that it’s “against policy” to simply bring one’s meds in from home so that the hospital can charge by the dose. It’s not unusual for a hospital to charge the retail price of a month’s prescription for a single pill!
October 7th, 2009 at 3:02 pmpete says:
There is one part of my Medicare coverage that doesn’t work as well. That’s the prescription drug coverage that was farmed out to private insurers. My supplemental covers the “doughnut hole” but every few months they decide they don’t want to cover one of my prescriptions and I have to get a doctor to inform them that I need that medicine to avoid dying and I have to convince them that paying half of my income for medication is a legitimate hardship.
That sucks Pete – it sounds very demeaning, and you don’t deserve that.
I used to work with someone whose wife had MS and our health insurance plan didn’t cover her particular medication so he had to pay over $1,000 per month for it…on top of his premiums.
The system is rigged!
October 7th, 2009 at 3:16 pmThat’s funny. As soon as I asked errong about how the Republican health care plan reduces government waste, he disappeared. It must just be a coinsidence.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:16 pmI don’t find it demeaning, mary lacewing. All I really have to do is call the private insurer and remind them that I’m covered by Medicare. Then some bored young person goes “oh! you’re on Medicare” and the problem gets cleared up. For a few months.
What distresses me are the people who think they’re helpless and don’t make those calls. One valid point that the Reichwhiners could, and should, be making is that the bills under consideration are light on “delivery of service”. Making sure that those who need it most get health care is daunting but shouldn’t be discarded as “too hard”.
Some people are so timid, prideful, or overwhelmed that they miss out on benefits they could pry out of their insurers. I once overheard an older gentleman get offended when a nurse asked if he wanted to talk to the “social worker”. He pitched quite a fit. But, that way I look at it, the social worker knows how to grease the system and I’ll take all the help I can get.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:32 pmaaronk and kenneth – kissing cousins?
October 7th, 2009 at 3:49 pmRepugs don’t fix problems, they create them. Then they have to be dragged along, kicking and screaming while others clean up their messes.
October 7th, 2009 at 3:55 pmI just checked the other threads. I think we made aaronk cry and go home. No posts for the past hour and a half.
Poor poor aaron, not everyone hates you – just most everyone.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:03 pmIt would really be interesting to see the graph expanded to previous years as the true trend isn’t necessarily a line.
For example, I could easily see an even stronger interpretation that the %cost of healthcare was falling into 1994 and was at its lowest ‘94 to ‘98 and then really picked up starting in 2000.
Wouldn’t that be inconvenient for both repugs and Bushies ?
October 7th, 2009 at 4:15 pmOT
October 7th, 2009 at 4:55 pmHi Kenneth:
How old is the earth?
aaronk says:
I was in my early 20’s and didn’t care about politics then. If it is as you say it is, then I am against it.
Hmmm. I thought you were only 22 now? Care to comment?
October 7th, 2009 at 5:22 pmI think he went to look for the Republican health care plan. If so, we may never see him again.
October 7th, 2009 at 6:06 pmPolitically Superior is only 22. Still it doesn’t matter as they are all one in the same…
October 7th, 2009 at 6:17 pmFrank asks him “why they did not do something”. Ryan answers that they should have. The question was not “should you or should you not have done something?”. The question was “why they did not do something”. I’m bet they won’t give an answer to that question. Even a dishonest answer or one with a lot of spin. Keep asking the question until they give an answer to the question they were asked. Don’t let them get away with avoiding the question.
October 7th, 2009 at 9:52 pmAsk them why they did not do something about healthcare for the last 100 years!
October 7th, 2009 at 9:54 pmSure they could have fixed it….. IF they only had a brain.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:31 amAaronk
You are attacked because you are STUPID. I dont believe medicare pays ten times as much as things cost for no reason. I think you are lying. I think there is more to this story and since you didnt source it I cant find that out. I think you are ignorant and a liar.
October 8th, 2009 at 8:13 amIf you notice, the cost for health care shot up once the GOP got into power, with their tax breaks for the corporations and the rich.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:27 amWhat is wrong with this picture?
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/haidt08/haidt08_index.html
Here’s an interesting article about why people vote republican. Might be worth reading so as to understand how to change their minds instead of just bludgeoning them facts they don’t listen to anyway. I’m all for a round of roast-the-conservative, but just cuz you’re correct doesn’t mean that self-righteousness is a useful communication strategy.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:56 amMy 2 sense…
That should be the question asked to every Republican.
What have you guys been doing for 12 years.
October 8th, 2009 at 4:39 pmPaul Ryan to admit Republicans failed to fix health care. vajina estetigi
October 13th, 2009 at 6:49 amThank you for your sharing.!
October 14th, 2009 at 8:58 am