REPORT: ‘We Will Overthrow The Government’ — Calls For Violence Repeatedly Stoked By Conservative Voices
REPORT: ‘We Will Overthrow The Government’ — Calls For Violence Repeatedly Stoked By Conservative Voices
Last week, the right-wing media outlet Newsmax — which receives 4 million unique monthly visitors and 130,000 print subscribers — published a column by conservative author John Perry arguing that a military coup could “resolve” the “radical left…Obama problem.” After being widely criticized, Newsmax retracted the column. However, the column appears to have encouraged an already angry group of anti-Obama radicals who have been plotting violence against the government.
While discussing the Newsmax column on his XM Sirius radio show last week, Michelangelo Signorile heard from a caller, “Jim from Oklahoma,” who explained that the idea of a coup is already being planned by a group of at least 200 people:
Pulling our government down, pulling our President out, and putting him back where he should be [...] [using] the right to bear arms, it’s in the Constitution. [...] We need a coup, there needs to be a coup and if the United States military won’t do it, we’ll do it.
Jim confirmed that he was “dead serious.” Although he was coy about specific details, Jim said that he was motivated by homophobia and an interest in bringing back slavery. A second caller confessed that her own mother has been scheming against the government because she has been captivated by racist thoughts and a belief that “Jesus is coming to overthrow Barack Obama.” She pleaded for people to recognize the extremist threat against Obama. Watch it:
While the intentions of these anonymous calls are difficult to confirm, they are indicative of a pattern of violent rhetoric being voiced by unrepentant conservative figures:
– One of the paying sponsors of the 9/12 anti-Obama rally in September was the National Association for Rural Landowners, a group that references the incidents at Waco and Ruby Ridge to call for attacks on “government entities” and liberals. In a YouTube video posted in July, the group makes the case for a secession, followed by a violent civil war.
– Calling the government “destructive of our rights,” the founder of the popular conservative website FreeRepublic called for “removing from office the President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States and all U.S. Senators and U.S. Representatives effective immediately” in July. Republican lawmakers, like Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-NC), regularly use the website as a portal for talking points.
– Tea parties have been a constant venue for right-wing rage and calls for violence against the government. In April, Rep. Michael McCaul (R-TX) told a crowd, “Thomas Jefferson once said that the tree of liberty will be fed with the blood of tyrants and patriots. You are the patriots.” ThinkProgress documented similar rhetoric from Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX) and from rallies attended by Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-VA). Americans for Prosperity, a group funded Koch Industries’ David Koch that works to plan tea parties, has sponsored speakers comparing health reform to the Holocaust.
– Prominent Republican politicians have framed top Obama agenda items as deserving violent resistance. Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) has said, “I want people…armed and dangerous” against clean energy reform. Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX) has floated the idea of secession in response to policies like the economic stimulus.
– Leading right-wing media outlets have called for “revolution.” Glenn Beck has hosted segments predicting “violent tax revolts,” Michael Savage often says, “We’re going to have a revolution in this country,” radio show host Jim Quinn has called for “riots” because “our country was built on revolution, and it’s about time we took it back.”
There have already been incidents of violence motivated by right-wing hate-speech. Richard Poplawski, who killed three police officers in April, posted videos of Glenn Beck on neo-Nazi websites and had said he was scared of the government. The Southern Policy Law Center has documented a steady rise in militia activity, and today reported on a new ominous YouTube video warning President Obama: “If you stay…‘We, The People’ will systematically dismantle you, destroy you and reclaim what is rightfully ours.”
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Could you imagine the uproar if this was going on in the Bush years?! You couldn’t even wear a anti-Bush tee-shirt without the Feds busting your head or tossing your ass out in the street or jail! I thought this was ILLEGAL. I guess it is if you are Democat or Independant. But these guys think they are above the law.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:43 amClearly, every single member of the Republican party is a liberal plant sent to make Republicans look bad.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:45 amRight! I’m sure ALL OF US would feel a whole lot better if the country was being run by a bunch of dim witted morons like this, who feel they need a BIG GUN to overcome an obvious physical shortcoming.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:46 amPlease, please explain to me what President Obama done that merits a coup? What? What? Not a thing. (Oh, I forgot, he is biracial!) These people scare me. I hope the Secret Service are doing their jobs.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:46 amWelcome to the GOP vision of democracy.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:46 amA second caller confessed that her own mother has been scheming against the government because she has been captivated by racist thoughts and a belief that “Jesus is coming to overthrow Barack Obama.”
Meanwhile, Obama’s skin color is probably pretty close to what Jesus’s skin color was. These loonies are so stupid.
What Jesus probably looked like
October 8th, 2009 at 11:46 amThese numbnuts have been with us for many, many years. We’re right to remain vigilant, and the Secret Service no doubt is paying close attention, but they’re usually all hat and no cowboy.
Besides, do they really think that they’d be attacking an unarmed government, and that the US military and various police organizations would just step aside and let an armed mob of 200 half-wits take over the country, most of whom would probably pee their pants and drop their weapons and run at the first shot over their heads? That’s beyond laughable — that’s Monty Python-style loony…
October 8th, 2009 at 11:47 am“We need to overthrow the government”
This guy’s from Oklahoma, land of the canned hunt.
So, who will you get to hold us while you try to shoot us from the comfort of your Barcalounger?
I’m shakin’.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:48 amWell the scary parts are that theres groups like xe (blackwater) that has the fire power to make a big play. not that i beleive any of these orgs. would be able to pull off there derange thinking.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:48 amA second caller confessed that her own mother has been scheming against the government because she has been captivated by racist thoughts and a belief that “Jesus is coming to overthrow Barack Obama.”
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I would be willing to bet this caller’s mother believes Jesus to be a northern European gentile. After all, that’s what all his pictures look like.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:48 amWhoo Hoo! Civil War 2.0
October 8th, 2009 at 11:49 amYes, the crazies are out there, and it’s a fairly serious law enforcement problem, made worse by some people blowing it off as hot air.
I’d expect that some of it is cathartic; some people vent and then go off and go about their everyday business, without actually going over the edge. I think it’s safe to assume though, that some people in venting manage to stoke someone else’s rage which gets fed back to them and we’ll see a few overt acts in the next few months.
That may convince some people who take credit for leading the right to back off the craziness, but I wouldn’t count on it. They think they own the tiger they’re riding and will not understand what the problem is until they try to dismount. There may be one or two who have no intention of a dismount; they see themself as a future caudillo.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:50 amThis is very disturbing behavior coming from very disturbed individuals. I hope Sec. Neapolitano is getting ready to deliver a major smackdown on these extremists. Locate them, try them, convict them if they are found guilty of planning a coup, and lock them up for life.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:50 amThis puts a lie to the lie when some republicans say that the opposition to President Obama has few roots in racism.
If I believe this, hand me a firecracker and expect me to stand there and hold it like a fool until it explodes. Treasonous, seditious b@$t@rds.
Oops, sorry Mary — I missed your comment. You said it better than I did.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:50 am“The South’s gonna’ do it again!”
Lose, that is…
October 8th, 2009 at 11:50 amthe most disturbing thing to me is the call to violence, and the silence from the right wing leadership immediately denouncing these nutjobs….
Either you repudiate their views utterly, or you give them affirmation through your silence. The right wing can’t have it both ways.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:51 amThe white-wingers had better start reining it in, and fast.
Their behavior is looking more and more treasonous.
There are laws against incitement of rebellion in this nation.
So many of us were furious during the Bush/Cheney regime, but we did not advocate violent overthrow.
I am still disappointed that the Dems did not initiate impeachment proceedings against the war criminals Bush and Cheney, but I still paid my taxes and voted.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:51 amIn January I predicted 6 incidents of wingnuts completely losing their stuff and killing people this year.
So far I’ve counted 4 with a possible 5th in KY.
Scary times
October 8th, 2009 at 11:52 ammary@6, I bet all these jokers have the famous picture of Jesus. You know, the soft brown hair and blue eyes and whiter than white skin. I find it interesting how these guys probably think the Bible is too Liberal(???) Lord knows, everyone can agree that the Bible was written with the Libs and Feminists in mind!
October 8th, 2009 at 11:52 ammissmolly says:
I would be willing to bet this caller’s mother believes Jesus to be a northern European gentile. After all, that’s what all his pictures look like.
If Jesus ever were to actually ‘come back’ most fundies would probably laugh at him and say, “But you’re short! And dark! You can’t be him!”. Then they’d walk away muttering under their breath about the freakin’ illegals or something.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:52 amDon’t go ’round tonight
October 8th, 2009 at 11:52 amIt’s bound to take your life
There’s a bad mood on the Right
You know, I keep hearing about taking our country back and not wanting government control health care blah blah blah.
What we need to really do is take our country back from big insurance, big oil, Wall Street/and financial groups and YES even the freaking NRA…yes I have a gun and I don’t feel threatened about the Government taking it away.
The NRA tells Senator Cornyn to jump and he says HOW HIGH? Insurance tells Baucus to water down health care and he does. This is the real problem!
October 8th, 2009 at 11:53 amEither you repudiate their views utterly, or you give them affirmation through your silence. The right wing can’t have it both ways.
Ah, but they have, ever since Reagan’s “never speak ill of another republican.” They can ignore anything – 8 years has taught us that lesson very well.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:53 ammissmolly says:
Oops, sorry Mary — I missed your comment. You said it better than I did.
lol – if I did, then, that’d be a first! Cheers.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:54 amI for one would be delighted if 200 goofballs from Oklahoma tried to stage a coup instead of talking about it on web sites and comical videos. Assuming they could find Washington at all (my bet would be on most of them getting to East St. Louis, reacting in horror at encountering actual black people and heading back to their safe little dirt patch) we would see a quick culling of the nitwit herd, the decisive discrediting of the Beck/Limprod/Insanity/Savage(Weiner) hatemongering and perhaps a slight downturn in the rhetoric from what is becoming the Party of Treason. Alas, cowardly Eric Rudolph style assaults on random innocents are more likely and the treasonous Republic shills on Fox and in the House and Tejas statehouse will maintain some degree of plausible deniability.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:55 amNah, no racism in the republican party. Us lefties are just reading too much into it.
/snark
October 8th, 2009 at 11:56 am“Jim from Oklahoma,” who explained that the idea of a coup is already being planned by a group of at least 200 people
- – Good job, I’m sure the Feds weren’t listening.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:57 amFree speech is a right we hold sacrosanct.
Dangerous psychotics like Jim From Oklahoma piss me off all the more so because his rhetoric DEMANDS restriction of free speech. This man needs to be locked up for actively threatening violent revolution.
It’s one thing for tax-evading “freedmen” to camp out in the wilderness and claim the government is illegimate. For them to proclaim a militia overthrow of the government and putting the President (the half-black President) “where he should be” is a crime. Pure and simple.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:58 amPoster #4- He has done NOTHING that even merits a rebuke, never mind a coup. The problem the nut-jobs on the right have with Obama is threefold: his skin is black, he is liberal, and he’s in a position of authority. To them this state of affairs is unacceptable. So much for the party of God, family values, apple pie and patriotism. I would add that if these crazies attempted to act on their insanity that crackpot pie-holes like Hannity and Beck should arrested and tried for treason.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:59 amThe clowns from Oklahoma are probably a bunch of overweight drunks with beer bellies, he-boobies and heart problems, all blustering with bravado about their manly sexual prowess, their cock size, and their irresistibility to women.
I wonder how many of them have ever served in the military, all the while running around bragging about soldiering in “‘Nam” or “Eye-rack” or the like.
This may be authentic, or it may be just more white-wing masturbatory nonsense.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:59 amHysteria, racism, an excuse to be radical… for some
Fear for others: fear that Obama will fix tons of stuff and their lies will be exposed.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:00 pmOh, and, these right-wing knuckleheads need to remember that the Second Amendment is an “equal opportunity” amendment…although my politics are well to the left of theirs, I can find the center of the bullseye quite well…
October 8th, 2009 at 12:01 pm@ 7. The Dogfather says: These numbnuts have been with us for many, many years. We’re right to remain vigilant, and the Secret Service no doubt is paying close attention, but they’re usually all hat and no cowboy. Besides, do they really think that they’d be attacking an unarmed government, and that the US military and various police organizations would just step aside and let an armed mob of 200 half-wits take over the country, most of whom would probably pee their pants and drop their weapons and run at the first shot over their heads? That’s beyond laughable — that’s Monty Python-style loony… October 8th, 2009 at 11:47 am
That’s generally true, but go tell that to the survivors of the OK City bombing. All it takes is for one or two people out of that pack to construct a McVeigh-class truck bomb and a whole bunch of people can have their day ruined.
Yes, to some extent it is laughable, but there’s a very serious core to it. Could they force a change in government? Probably not, but they might force government to change in a way that none of us, right or left, would like; they could produce an event that pushes us closer to a police state.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:01 pmP.D. says:
I thought this was ILLEGAL. .. But these guys think they are above the law.
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You think right…
…which is why, whether he’s a dimwitted inbred redneck making things up or not, I have since forwaded to the Secret Service the link of “Jim from Oklahoma” making threats of violence against the President… on the off chance Signorile hasn’t already done the responsible thing.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:02 pmAlso, Jim. From Oklahoma.
I’m guessing it won’t be long before the more famous Jim from Oklahoma defends this would-be terrorist, proclaiming him a patriot.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:02 pm“Jim from Oklahoma,” who explained that the idea of a coup is already being planned by a group of at least 200 people…
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And no doubt they intend to install Chuck Norris as their King, and Glenn Beck as his queen…
October 8th, 2009 at 12:03 pmThis contingient of lunatics and their enablers should be made aware that America does not belong to them. President Obama and Democratic Senators and Representatives won elections in a legal Democratic process and these elections do have consequences. The GOP had their way with America and proved to it’s citizens that every one of their beloved politi-social theories from trickle down economics, American exceptionalism, corporate taxbreaks, deregulation, the Bush Doctrine, torture and the neocon’s wet dream of global domination are all completely failed policies. They willfully ignored the crumbling infa-structure of America, the growing poverty of it’s citizens, our unsustainable healthcare system, our global reputation, our dwindling economy, our environment and the growing will of Americans who care about these things and will excercise their needs and desires through their votes. All for the extreme profit of a small handful of corporate and industry titans. I’ll say it again…ALL FOR THE EXTREME PROFIT OF A SMALL HANDFUL OF CORPORATE AND INDUSTRY TITANS. The Republic Party has proven their collective ignorance of the will of the people and their sheer incompetence at governing. They brought us to the brink of utter collapse and are now whining like children because they have lost all the power that they once enjoyed due directly to their own incompetence and unmitigated greed. This Country belongs to all of us and it is in our Nation’s best interest to make it a better place for ALL rather than a handful of rich people. Incitement to violence is the last vestige of a desperate political party who craves power above all else and is willing to wear their traitorous views on their sleeves in order to goad a tiny minority of ignorant fools into doing their bidding.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:04 pma caller, “Jim from Oklahoma,” who explained that the idea of a coup is already being planned by a group of at least 200 people:
Senator Inhofe, what the hell are you doing?
October 8th, 2009 at 12:04 pmMedia Matters notes that the website World Net Daily is now pushing for Obama’s impeachment.
– - World Net Daily is the journalistic equivalent of Orly Taitz.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:04 pmWhy would this lunatic call Michelangelo Signorile?
Why are these homophobes listening to an openly gay man?
[rolling my eyes]
Answered my own question, duh, ’cause they’re LUNATICS!!
October 8th, 2009 at 12:07 pmWe just have to keep reminding ourselves and these wackos that they are a very, very small percentage of our population.
Somebody should call their bluff and dare them to bring it on.
That would be the end of that.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:09 pmTo me, this kind of talk makes me worried for our President!! OT: I hate these “vote up/vote down” buttons. They are too close to the number of votes and once or twice I have hit the wrong button. So sorry to the peeps who I have done this too.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:09 pmThat can’t be right. The guy in that drawing doesn’t look like a Christian at all.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:11 pmGo ahead Reichwingers, give it a try…
News Flash:
Hundreds of Conservatives tried to overtake the government today.
None survived, their Bodies will be buried in the next couple of days.
And the country will be that much better off without them.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:11 pmMebbe that ‘Jim from Oklahama’ caller IS Jim Inhofe.
TRoS. OK (sorry about the pun), Chuck Norris as King, Glenda as Queen, Hannity as Court Jester, and O’Really? as Court Chester (you know, some cornpone doof who hobbles around saying “Marshall Dillon” and gets slapped down by Norris for getting into the wrong TV show)?
October 8th, 2009 at 12:12 pmThis isn’t as much a “civil war” as it is a “cyber war”.
Lunatics have access to ways to gin up rhetoric and manufacture outrage while inflating their numbers. This sounds like a “nation of millions” when it’s really a “squad of thousands”.
That’s not to dismiss this all as harmless, as even a minority has the power to implode structure, as long as they have the tools at their disposal.
And “Jim from Oklahoma” is one of those “tools”.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:13 pmEver notice that the trolls never show on the threads about their right-wing terrorist buddies?
October 8th, 2009 at 12:13 pmHow about a little of their own medicine:
WE’RE AT WAR! ANYONE PLANNING OR ORGANIZING OR EVEN FAVORING A COUP NEEDS TO BE IN A FEDERAL PRISON FACING CHARGES OF TREASON!
October 8th, 2009 at 12:14 pmAs silly as this seems to be, everyone should still remember that conservatives actually DID try to remove a president by the force of a military coup in 1933.
Look it up.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:15 pmIf TP can identify these people and post it on their website, why can’t the FBI and throw these people in jail. It’s illegal to call for the overthrow of the government and the assasination of government employees.
What’s taking so long?
October 8th, 2009 at 12:18 pmVirtual Pebble says:
Chuck Norris as King, Glenda as Queen, Hannity as Court Jester, and O’Really? as Court Chester (you know, some cornpone doof who hobbles around saying “Marshall Dillon” and gets slapped down by Norris for getting into the wrong TV show)?
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I can go with all of that… one VITALLY IMPORTANT, uh, “position” we’ve neglected to fill here…
the Court Fluffer… Michael Savage? Perhaps one of our trolls?
October 8th, 2009 at 12:24 pm200 rednecks are staging a coup? These same ignoramuses showed up in DC and all they did was complain about public transportation. Wait until they have to DRIVE into big cities carrying their weapons with their cowboy hats on.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:25 pmHmmmm,
I just finished sighting in both my high powered rifles last week.
Found I could still hit a 2.5″ bulls eye at a 100 yards.
Who said liberals are easy targets? We’re not scared of you, Oklahoma!
October 8th, 2009 at 12:27 pmAs far as Blackwater or Xe involved in an uprising, they’re still getting government contracts although I don’t know why. Even an inkling that they are involved and congress would stop payments to them immediately I’m sure. Who else can afford to hire them?
October 8th, 2009 at 12:28 pmbest thing to ever come out of oklahoma was an empty greyhound bus.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:28 pmand people still wonder why we were embarrassed in the first round by the Olympic committee.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:29 pmBadmoodman# 39 I hope you checked out that link. The story
October 8th, 2009 at 12:29 pmcomments are pretty funny.
NinerFan says:
As silly as this seems to be, everyone should still remember that conservatives actually DID try to remove a president by the force of a military coup in 1933.
Look it up.
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You’re referring to the Business Plot?
October 8th, 2009 at 12:30 pmShayne says:
“Wait until they have to DRIVE into big cities carrying their weapons with their cowboy hats on.”
If they do make it over the Mississippi, as paleolib pointed out, they will undoubtedly freak out by the time they reach Pennsylvania, when they encounter trees and hills.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:32 pmThe “Posse Commutatis” – type groups were even active against the conservative governments. So I imagine they think Obama is from planet Xanxor.
But at what point does advocating rebellion become at least incitement if not outright treason ?
October 8th, 2009 at 12:33 pmWhen you hear that the “health care public option” should be in local hands, ask yourself how these folks would define a public option healthcare.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:34 pmMedia Matters notes that the website World Net Daily is now pushing for Obama’s impeachment.
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Um…yeah. And I see that the stellar minds putting forth this idea equate “impeachment” with “recall”.
I have always been amused by people who toss the word “impeach” around while obviously having no clue what it means, but claiming it means the same thing as “recall” is a new level of ignorance.
They aren’t the same thing, as anybody who paid attention in school knows. A recall is the removal of an officeholder by the voters, with no reason required. While most states, counties, and municipalities have recall procedures in place for the removal of the governor or other officeholders, there is no mechanism for the recall of a sitting president.
Furthermore, “impeach” doesn’t even mean removal from office. The closest synonym to it might be the word “indict”, as it basically means to accuse of a crime and bring the impeached officeholder to trial. Only after the impeached person has been tried and convicted is he removed from office.
To be impeached in this country, one must be charged with some kind of crime, such as abusing the power of one’s office (Nixon, Blagojevich), or lying about one’s sex life (Clinton).
What crimes has President Obama committed? It appears most of his detractors hate him because A) he’s biracial, B) he’s a Democrat (don’t laugh — that’s essentially why Bill Clinton was impeached), or C) he cares more about American people than about American lobbyists. None of which are crimes.
Fortunately, these lunatics are a small but annoying minority. Unfortunately, it only took one person to kill President Kennedy, one person to kill Martin Luther King, one person to shoot President Reagan. And it’s rhetoric like this that could motivate some deranged soul into committing an unthinkable tragedy.
Let’s hope the Secret Service is vigilant.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:36 pmHeh. Those treasonous morons need to remember that that “tree of liberty being watered by the blood of tyrants” works BOTH ways.
I have absolutely no intention of ever living in an America run by the Christian Taliban – and I *will* fight if necessary.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:36 pmAh the christofascists are getting restless
October 8th, 2009 at 12:40 pmbring ‘em on!
October 8th, 2009 at 12:42 pmi’ll take great pleasure defending our democracy.
the gene pool will benefit as well.
Trees and hills are bad enough. Wait until they have to drive around cab drivers.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:43 pmLeftside Annie says:
Heh. Those treasonous morons need to remember that that “tree of liberty being watered by the blood of tyrants” works BOTH ways.
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And let’s not forget that the “Depends of Conservatism” often end up getting soaked by the…
October 8th, 2009 at 12:43 pmPissedOffVeteran says:
“Ah the christofascists are getting restless”
Jesus is late, and it looks like they will have to go to work today after all.
Those who live by the sword,
October 8th, 2009 at 12:44 pmdie by the sword.
Why haven’t those teabagger terrorists been locked in prison for inciting violence, plotting to assassinate government officials including the POTUS?
I hope the Secret Service, DHS and all other federal law enforcement agencies are monitoring those morons.
I think it’s time to declare war on hate starting with a constitutional amendment banning hate speech.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:45 pmMy heart goes out to Liz. She sounds so ad. These right wing pundits don’t care how many families they tear apart by spewing this garbage.
As for the OK clan, I agree with other posters, I don’t think these clucks will be able to find their way from Union Station to Penn Avenue. They’ll have to read a whole bunch of signs and stuff. They’ll get confused and tired before they make it past 2nd.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:45 pmIt’s just a matter of time before one of these Glenn Beck/Rush Limbaugh followers blows up another Federal building. I hope they arrest these people before they act. And while they’re at it, arrest Limbaugh and Beck for treason.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:48 pmShayne says:
“Trees and hills are bad enough. Wait until they have to drive around cab drivers.”
They’ve spent all their money on ammunition and gasoline for their huge pickup trucks.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:49 pmWhen the toll roads start to cut into their beer money, they’ll turn around.
TRoS,
Wiki is usually a fairly good source of information. But the info on the business plot doesn’t contain any reference to Prescott Bush, one of the main financial backers of the plot.
I wonder why?
October 8th, 2009 at 12:49 pmWhile the Oklahoma City bombing was horrendous it points out the limitations of the wing nuts. You can’t overthrow the federal government in the boondocks. What you do is harm your neighbors and accomplish nothing.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:49 pmI know this is a small point, but still; the article author says that only officers swear to uphold the Constitution, as opposed to enlisted who – according to him – swear only to obey the president.
When I enlisted, I swore to uphold the Constitution and obey all lawful orders.
But they don’t let facts intrude, do they?
October 8th, 2009 at 12:50 pmi don’t think mr. 200+ is going to like the reaction from the millions of people in the majority who voted for President Obama.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:51 pmSo your telling us that jobless claim fell? And that is a bad thing?
Anyhoo, why are you afraid to comment on the topic of this thread? Are you being watched?
October 8th, 2009 at 12:52 pmCrazy Legs says:
October 8th, 2009 at 12:53 pm“New jobless claims fall to 521K, lowest since Jan. (AP)
Taliban suicide attack kills 17 in Afghan capital (AP)”
Any commentary on the subject at hand, tripod?
Rich H. You wonder, why? Seriously?
October 8th, 2009 at 12:54 pmheh, shayne…
October 8th, 2009 at 12:54 pm;)
Shayne says:
Crazy Legs says:
New jobless claims fall to 521K, lowest since Jan. (AP)
So your telling us that jobless claim fell? And that is a bad thing?
Anyhoo, why are you afraid to comment on the topic of this thread? Are you being watched?
Maybe that’s why Chicken Legs/Pat Pomery aka Patricia Pussy is such a pussy.
So,
Patty Pussy, why are you a pussy?
October 8th, 2009 at 12:56 pmHey CL, why ARE you afraid of this topic? TP already has your IP number. Not commenting makes you look more suspicious than commenting, don’t you think?
October 8th, 2009 at 12:57 pmJeffy Bovine,
Are you skill carrying your trusty 40 oz as you drive around in your tricycle?
October 8th, 2009 at 12:57 pmC’mon patty pussy/chicken legs, we all want to know why you are all in for assassinating the POTUS and overthrowing the Government. You pussies tried to do it to FDR in 1933 only to fail miserably so why do you teabaggers want to make the same mistake twice?
And why are you a pussy?
October 8th, 2009 at 12:59 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
C’mon patty pussy, we won’t hurt lil ‘ol you. We just want to turn you into the Secret Service, that’s all. They’re real nice people. So why worry?
PUSSY!!!
October 8th, 2009 at 1:01 pmConservativeChristian, wouldn’t it have been easier to say, “I love Ron Paul.”?
October 8th, 2009 at 1:01 pmHey Crazy Legs, are you SCARED?
October 8th, 2009 at 1:02 pmShayne says:
Hey CL, why ARE you afraid of this topic? TP already has your IP number. Not commenting makes you look more suspicious than commenting, don’t you think?
He’s a pussy. That’s why. Isn’t it obvious he wants to kill the POTUS?
October 8th, 2009 at 1:03 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
HIGH FIVE! I just cast the killing vote on crazylegs at #69!
October 8th, 2009 at 1:07 pmman, this article scares me. I really hope nothing like this is actually attempted. I know you guys think I’m a racist violent hate monger because I’m a conservative, but I’m not. The greatest thing about this country, IMO, is the peaceful transition of power that happens every 4 or 8 years. If you don’t like what is going on, you have a chance to change it.
That is obviously being proven right now with the democrats taking control because too many citizens didn’t like what happened under Bush. This is somewhat frightening to me, because I have also heard many people predict that a civil or revolutionary war is coming. I have a 2 year old daughter to worry about, so this is very concerning.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:08 pmI’m more afraid of these right-wing idiots than any foreign terrorist. If they’re not happy with America and our ELECTED president, they need to move their crazy asses out of this country and leave us sane people — who want to help ourselves, along with others — alone.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:09 pmThey realized the whole “lone gunman” “one crazy guy” shooter sprees in the spring made them look bad. So the next step is of course group violence. But methinks Jimbo’s “plan” doesn’t get much farther than Step One: Point Gun, Step Two: Pull Trigger.
I’m beginning to think the rightwing of this country is actually MORE embarrassing and stupid than they were in the 20th Century. Which is a major accomplishment.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:10 pm91…
Newsletter controversy
Further information: Ron Paul newsletter controversy
At the end of 2007, both the New York Sun and the New York Times Magazine reprinted passages from early 1990s publications of Paul’s newsletters, attacking them for content deemed racist.[6] These were the same newsletters that had been used against Paul in his 1996 congressional campaign.
Shortly afterwards, The New Republic released many previously unpublicized quotations attributed to Paul in James Kirchick’s “Angry White Man” article.[120] Kirchick accused Paul of having made racist, sexist, and derogatory comments geared towards African Americans, women, and the LGBT community.[121] Kirchick also accused Paul of possessing “an obsession with conspiracies, sympathy for the right-wing militia movement, and deeply held bigotry.”[121]
Responding to the charges in a CNN interview, Paul denied any involvement in authoring the passages. In a press release, Paul’s campaign claimed that the quotations had come from an unnamed ghostwriter without Paul’s consent. Paul again denounced and disavowed the “small-minded thoughts,” citing his 1999 House speech praising Rosa Parks for her courage; he said the charges simply “rehashed” the decade-old Morris attack.[122] CNN anchor Wolf Blitzer expressed his disbelief during the interview that Paul would have made such statements.[123] Later, Nelson Linder, president of the Austin chapter of the NAACP, also defended Paul.[124] Reason republished Paul’s 1996 defense of the newsletters,[125] but later reported evidence from “a half-dozen longtime libertarian activists” that Lew Rockwell had been the chief ghostwriter.[43] Although Rockwell denies this charge, and “has characterized discussion of the newsletters as ‘hysterical smears aimed at political enemies.’”[126]
elated activity
Similar U.S. legislation includes Ron Paul’s proposal to end U.S. contributions to the United Nations and affiliated agencies, which had Republican support but failed as an appropriations amendment by a vote of 74-350;[180] and Roscoe Bartlett’s proposal to cut a $100 million payment to the UN, based on General Accounting Office claims that the U.S. has overpaid by $3.5 billion (the UN claimed that it was owed $1.3 billion).[181]
The 2002 Republican Party of Texas platform explicitly urged passage of the ASRA; withdrawal from the UN had been on the platform at least since 1998.[182]
Both houses of the Arizona legislature introduced legislation petitioning Congress to pass the ASRA (HCM 2009 in 2004, SCM 1002 in 2006);[183][184] in 2007 similar legislation passed the Arizona Senate (SCM 1002 in 2007), but with the focus changed from the ASRA to Virgil Goode’s Congressional resolution not to engage in a NAFTA Superhighway or a North American Union (H.Con.Res. 487, now H.Con.Res. 40).[185][186]
[edit] Advocacy
The John Birch Society recognizes the ASRA as a reflection of its efforts since 1962 toward U.S. withdrawal.[167] Their publication New American sees Nathan Tabor’s anti-UN book, The Beast on the East River, as a building block toward ASRA passage,[187] which it advocates because “the U.S. military is currently being used as the enforcement arm of the United Nations.”[188]
In 2000, Tom DeWeese’s American Policy Center said it delivered to Congress more than 300,000 signatures from petitions in support of the Act.[189]
An organization calling itself the Liberty Committee also organized a nationwide petition drive asking Majority Leader Tom DeLay to schedule the bill for a vote.[190]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul#Newsletter_controversy
What a great man for a (racist) moron.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:11 pmaaronk – that was the most reasonable thing I’ve ever seen you post.
Can we have more of that please?
October 8th, 2009 at 1:13 pmMark701 at 29 says:
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That is the point exactly. GOD. Their GOD! These treasonous bastards, these so-called Christian’s truly believe above all else the hate they spout, the un-American activities they participate in, the they guns they own, the violence they call for and the people they’ve murdered so far are all GOD’S WILL.
You can’t shame them. They have no shame. They embrace hypocrisy and they are so bloody arrogant as to believe they and only they have GOD in their pocket and to hell with everyone else.
What a sick view of the world these Christians have.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:14 pm“We’re going to take back our country.” From whom? Who does this guy think voted President Obama into office? The French?
And reinstate slavery? Seriously? Rascist and stupid (do I repaet myself?).
October 8th, 2009 at 1:15 pmrider3 says:
I’m more afraid of these right-wing idiots than any foreign terrorist. If they’re not happy with America and our ELECTED president, they need to move their crazy asses out of this country and leave us sane people — who want to help ourselves, along with others — alone.
A Texas secession seems very inviting. Just think, the teabaggerstan taliban will actually have a country to move to and call home.
C’mon Texas, what are you waiting for. We have plenty of teabagger terrorist at your disposal. You can have them. We don’t want them.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:15 pmPlease note that the most virulent opposition to Obama comes from big Oil states; these extremists are almost always from that region. I don’t know if the E-Z money that comes from just sucking on the earth makes them violence prone, or if they are being prompted by something else? Any ideas?
And I do hope the Secret Service is investigating promptly.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:17 pmWhy aren’t these people under arrest? It’s time to make examples out of these lunatics! We’ve got terrorists right here among us and I don’t understand why some Congressman and Senators are more afraid of detainees at GITMO?!
October 8th, 2009 at 1:18 pmaaronk, the best thing I can say to you is…
Don’t panic.
Seriously, there’s more love here for the common man and woman than trolls make it out to be. I want what’s best for America, and that includes the likes of CL.
I do believe that you’re a good man, aaronk. Your political stance may not agree with mine, but that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t enjoy a beer with you (provided neither of us drink too much!)
October 8th, 2009 at 1:18 pmThis all sounds like pretty serious threats to me. The same kind of threats like those made by terrorists. The same kind of threats that the FBI, CIA, Homeland Security, TSA, Secret Service, and every other appropriate law enforcement body investigates. The same kind of threats, that if they were made by anyone else, these conservative self designated “patriots” and right-wing talking heads would demand be investigated.
So, I believe the FBI, CIA, Homeland Security, TSA, Secret Service, and every other appropriate law enforcement agency, should begin their investigations, identify and charge the culprits, and nip this threat of chaos and calamity to our way of life right in the bud and right now.
Go to work, boys.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:19 pmRepublic of Stupidity: “You’re referring to the Business Plot?”
Yes, but the Wiki entry for this is very incomplete. It leaves out some embarrassing facts that the British historians uncovered. For example, the representative of large bankers and industrialists who actually brought the proposal to General Smedley Butler was a guy named Prescott Bush. And the reason nobody found out about it at the time was that some of the co-conspirators were the largest buyers of advertising in the New York Times which ridiculed the committee looking into it.
The Wiki people also absent-mindedly forgot to mention that the industrialists and bankers who wanted to remove FDR from office by force admired the way the Nazis were running things in Germany.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:19 pmMethinks the troll aaronk doth protest too much.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:20 pmDid Chicken Legs/Patty Pussy run away once again for being called out on why he is a pussy?
October 8th, 2009 at 1:22 pmYes Intrepid, CL ran away with his tail between is legs and now aaronk is acting all apologetic. I smell fear.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:24 pmIf these wingnut would-be revolutionaries were all employed full time making decent wages with benefits, none of this would be going on.
Until we get back down to 3-4% unemployment, and back to living-wage-or-better pay for those who are employed, the picture is going to get worse and worse and worse.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:24 pmYeah, I wouldn’t say that I am at the panic stage yet, but I sometimes think that our nation is very arrogant when it comes to the possibility of severe uprising and civil unrest. This is something that has happened in nearly all countries the world over, and there really is no magic potion that prevents it from happening here.
And yes, I’m sure we would be fine having a beer and shooting the shit about sports…etc.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:26 pm.
… Because nothing says Al-CIA-Duh like Jim from Oklahoma.
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October 8th, 2009 at 1:27 pm.
FYI
400 years ago, what little there was of it, America was under British Rule, NO? The Native population, American Indian, was largely untouched and the American Indian Genocide had not happened yet.
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October 8th, 2009 at 1:31 pmaaronk: “This is somewhat frightening to me, because I have also heard many people predict that a civil or revolutionary war is coming. I have a 2 year old daughter to worry about, so this is very concerning.”
The country is not going to lapse into a hot civil war. Two or three hundred a-holes with munitions stores doesn’t make a revolution – at best, that’s a regional armed insurrection and I doubt there is any area of the country which would actually support such a thing. Talk is cheap.
If the nation’s most wealthy bankers and industrialists with the help of thousands of disgruntled WWI veterans couldn’t pull it off, I don’t think a few teabaggers are going to get very far. In my opinion, if you are a republican, you should be telling your elected representatives to speak out against this kind of rhetoric.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:41 pmaaronk says:
“And yes, I’m sure we would be fine having a beer and shooting the sh!t about sports…etc.”
What’s your favorite team?
October 8th, 2009 at 1:41 pmLet me guess, the dodgers…
The cowardly trolls are lingering back at the Bachmann thread.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:45 pmAaronK – one sensible post from you does not change my mind about you in the least.
You and your party have deliberately sown these dragon’s teeth.
Why are you so surprised that they are now sprouting full-grown and fully armed “warriors” slavering to kill their fellow citizens, their president – and destroy this country?
You own this armed revolution stuff. You do.
You and your Republican party fellows espouse the same causes these extremists do – only you call for the same destruction of our democracy in a more subtle way, by using “logic” and “facts.” (Notice the quotes? They’re there for the same reason I use quotes on FOX “News.”)
You are just as dangerous as these overt rightwing terrorists; in fact, I would say that you are more dangerous, because you and those like you can work within the system to destroy it from the inside.
Until you and those like you learn that America will NEVER ever again be like it was in the ’50s – “all white and all right” – and accept the fact that our government needs to work for WE THE PEOPLE — ALL of We The People, not just the rich white people and the corporations — I will continue to oppose you at every turn.
Just putting you on notice.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:50 pmDHS? FBI? Secret Service? Are you paying attention?
October 8th, 2009 at 1:50 pmfunny. In case you want to know though….Cincinnat Reds, Cincinnat Bengals, Indiana Pacers, and Indiana Hoosiers (above all).
October 8th, 2009 at 1:56 pmAt this point, an organized ‘coup’ may not be actively planned or pursued by the country’s military, it’s hard to know unless you’re actually in on such a terrible venture.
The problem is that there are factions that are constantly attacking President Obama and this is similar to the same activity that has consistently plagued each Democratic presidents going back to Roosevelt, resulting in the assassination of one, Kennedy.
The question is, as citizens, do we rely only on agencies such as the FBI and Secret Service to protect the president, or do we have a responsibility as citizens to counter these maneuvers? If so, how do we do that other than writing letters to the editor?
October 8th, 2009 at 1:56 pmSecession will only work if they all stick together.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:58 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
aaronk is a liar. It’s been proven repeatedly. No one should even waste a thought on him.
October 8th, 2009 at 2:01 pmThese people are too fragmented.
They should get better organized.
I think they should start a new movement that is clearly against liberal activism.
They can call it…
National American Movement Blasting Liberal Activism.
…No. They won’t get it! :)
October 8th, 2009 at 2:03 pmWell, I don’t think it would do much good to “take matters into your own hands” because the military posesses weapons far greater than we could ever get a hold of. A military coup could easily happen, but the result would be extreme civil unrest, and unfortunately in this case, it may end up as a racially divided civil war. Obviously that is worst case scenario, and I am not wishing that upon us, or really planning on it happening.
October 8th, 2009 at 2:07 pmFred, regardless of what you think of me personally, this is a subject that the right & left should absolutely agree on. Because of our economic situation and our reputation around the world, our country is probably more fragile than it has been in 200 years. Radical measures by either side could have very negative effects right now, and we should all try to prevent them.
October 8th, 2009 at 2:10 pmSorry, Aaron. I’ve said my piece about you – and I meant every word.
If you were a TRUE “fiscal conservative,” you would have been here with us over the last 8 years, screaming about Chimpy spending and tax-cutting-for-the-wealthiest America into a vast recession.
Where the hell were you then, o “fiscal conservative”?
I’ll tell you where you were then:
You were proudly kissing Chimpy’s ass, waving the flag and calling *US* traitors for opposing Chimpy’s pet War of Choice and Looting Opportunity (Iraq), his dicta–er, Unitary Executive theory, his violation of our Bill of Rights, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum.
And you say you’re not a Republican? Bullshit.
That just means that you’re a hypocrite – you’re ashamed of what the Republican Party has become in the last 2 years: a sewer of bigotry, racism, religious fanaticism, misogyny, jingoism and hatred.
Nut up or shut up, Aaron. This is YOUR creation. You own it, lock, stock and barrel.
October 8th, 2009 at 2:11 pmAnd you people think that no progressives have worked hard and make decent money. My husband who actually works hard to keep our small business running and our employees in good jobs with benefits doesn’t have time to hang around right wing sites trying to change anybody’s mind. I’m sick of conservatives who think they’re the only people who accomplish anything.
October 8th, 2009 at 2:13 pmI have been very outspoken about Bush since 2005. I opposed his ridiculous spending, and especially the Iraq war. I just found this website a few months ago, but that doesn’t mean I wasn’t talking about it. I don’t tie myself to a party, I tie myself to a set of beliefs and convictions. Party is irrelevent to me.
October 8th, 2009 at 2:15 pmPresident Obama was elected with a clear majority. If you think you people can try to overthrow his administration and that the white people who voted for him are going to side with you crackers you’re out of your freaking mind. Hurt one hair on his head and I’ll be heading to the inner city rounding up gang bangers to confront you terrorists.
October 8th, 2009 at 2:16 pmI am making no accusations as to your work ethic.
October 8th, 2009 at 2:16 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Funny, I never mentioned using weapons or violence in my post…strange that you would assume such…
There are, of course, alternative means of countering and neutralizing a violent prone opponent without resorting to violence…you do know that, right?
October 8th, 2009 at 2:20 pmThe irony is that you and your’s are the reason that we are in that position to start with and you somehow think we should listen to your advice which is more of the same things that got us here.
Go away. We will take it from here and we will not destroy
America as you have nearly done.
If you had cared then it seems logical that we would have heard from you before now but you were very quiet while the damage was being done.
You suck and you lie. You have no credibility for actually careing about our country.
October 8th, 2009 at 2:20 pmaaronk says:
“In case you want to know though….Cincinnat Reds, Cincinnat Bengals, Indiana Pacers, and Indiana Hoosiers (above all).”
Now I understand what you meant by having a beer.
October 8th, 2009 at 2:23 pmYou can pretend to be anything you want aaronie donk. You have been proven to be a liar and so nothing you say can be taken seriously. Go tell someone who doesn’t know you.
October 8th, 2009 at 2:23 pmYeah, my teams haven’t had a championship in almost 20 years now, and the poor Bengals and Pacers have never had one.
October 8th, 2009 at 2:28 pmOh, I forgot about arronk. He is the only troll who shows up on these threads to defend right-wing terrorists by pretending to be an independent, and telling us that progressive Democrats are just as bad as traitorous Republican insurgents.
October 8th, 2009 at 2:29 pmYeah, sure there are. I apologize for assuming your tone. If a bunch of radicals come at you with weapons though…your choices are severely limited at that time. I think that keeping your ears open for any sign of such activity and reporting it to your local FBI office is a good start. I don’t want to remove anyone’s freedoms, but if you are speaking of overthrowing the government, I think you have asked for it.
October 8th, 2009 at 2:30 pmaaronk says:
I have been very outspoken about Bush since 2005. I opposed his ridiculous spending, and especially the Iraq war. I just found this website a few months ago, but that doesn’t mean I wasn’t talking about it. I don’t tie myself to a party, I tie myself to a set of beliefs and convictions. Party is irrelevent to me.
Bullshit. Bullshit. And more bullshit.
You’re probably one of those asshats who called Bush a liberal.
*eyes rolling*
October 8th, 2009 at 2:36 pmThe RNC should have issued Republican ID cards. Then, you could show it to the radical terrorists and they wouldn’t hurt you. In fact, they would probably ask you to join their insurgency.
October 8th, 2009 at 2:36 pmThe whole point is to counter such ‘radicals’ influence to neutralize such a group(s) before they can gain strength, rather than continue to brush it off.
Your definition of ‘radical’ may not be the same as mine.
October 8th, 2009 at 2:39 pmagreed. how do you neutralize them peacefully? Also, I think we both agree that someone heading to DC with weapons to remove the president from power would quality as a “radical” correct?
October 8th, 2009 at 2:41 pmCheer up, aaronk. The Bengals look pretty respectable this year, and I was totally loving their win over the Steelers a few weeks ago.
October 8th, 2009 at 2:44 pm>evangenital says:
October 8th, 2009 at 2:48 pmThe clowns from Oklahoma are probably a bunch of overweight drunks with beer bellies, he-boobies and heart problems, all blustering with bravado about their manly sexual prowess, their cock size, and their irresistibility to women.
By far, the most sarcastic username I’ve seen :). Very humorous as well as informative. You have the makings of a Jon Stewart.
Re: peaceful neutralization, that is a process which I think may take longer than one election cycle and involves more than tactics. It will require a paradigm shift.
Re: weapon wielding individual en router to D.C., no, I would qualify such a person according to their characteristics, history and motivations, not necessarily as a radical.
October 8th, 2009 at 2:51 pmaaronk: “Because of our economic situation and our reputation around the world, our country is probably more fragile than it has been in 200 years.”
Really? More fragile than when the British and Canadians invaded DC and burned down the White House?
More fragile than in 1863?
More fragile than in 1929? How about 1942?
October 8th, 2009 at 3:01 pmaaronk, I’m very, very happy with Takeo Spikes. I can see why Bengals fans liked him so much.
October 8th, 2009 at 3:03 pmThe troll comments speak for themselves. Violence is their only answer.
October 8th, 2009 at 3:11 pmLee, you forgot to include James Adkisson’s manifesto. Notice that any part of it could be identified as a troll comment here.
October 8th, 2009 at 3:16 pm“Jesus is coming to overthrow Barack Obama.”
After all the attrocities committed by mankind in the last 2 centuries, Jesus is so pissed that a Black Man is the president that he’s coming back to stop it ?
October 8th, 2009 at 3:22 pmOops – meant last 2 millenia. Decimal notation is so picky.
October 8th, 2009 at 3:22 pmI think our current situation is not as bad as the times which you named, YET. The value of the dollar, the national debt, and unemployment concerns me. Financial unrest can often lead to civil unrest in my opinion. I’m not really worried about foreign terrorists or other such enemies….but I am worried about a potential banking collapse. If people can’t get to their money, we will have a problem.
BTW, Takeo Spikes is the man. The niners are sneaking up on everyone this year. Too bad old “small hands” (Alex) didn’t work out.
October 8th, 2009 at 3:26 pmit’s probably a safe assumption that Jesus looked more like a black man than a white man.
October 8th, 2009 at 3:27 pmYou know, one of the concerns voiced in the last 8 years (and the problems with Florida elections) is that a democracy needs assurance of a smooth transition from those that lost to those that won.
And would the new conservatives accept that they lost and allow a transition.
Its starting to look like this was a highly relevant question.
October 8th, 2009 at 3:28 pmNo, Max. The major European power here then was Spain which had founded St. Augustine in 1565. Jamestown, the 1st British colony was not founded until 1607, hardly enough time to establish rule.
Earlier attempts to colonize Florida were stymied by hostile Indians who, it is believed, had been subjected to slaving raids by Spaniards with plantations on different Caribbean islands.
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October 8th, 2009 at 3:28 pmA baseless threat against President Obama is a threat to our democracy, our Constitution and to the people of color.
teabaggers can’t have racism without slavery. AHHHH the good old days.
October 8th, 2009 at 3:29 pmThere are so many things wrong here, that I just can’t help myself:
IMPEACHEMENT OF BUSH IS OFF THE TABLE despite his war crimes. Meanwhile we’re gonna impeach Obama because he won the election ?????????????????????????
The Bush Cabal lied to Congress, Obstructed Congress, Conspired to do so, etc.
The Bush Cabal lied to the World to get us into an immoral war. The Cabal pushed aside the AEC inspectors who said Iraq was NOT building WMDs.
These actions led up to engaging in a War in violation of world security that amounted to genocide against the population.
October 8th, 2009 at 3:55 pmRethugs=Nazi’s=Fascists=Evil
October 8th, 2009 at 3:57 pmIt’s tempting to almost want to goad imbeciles like Jim, who apparently are able to read only one sentence out of the Constitution, to make good on their threats. In so doing, they will be the ones committing a treaonous act and will either go to jail or, with delicious paradox, be given the death sentence they so often wish for for others. Alas, or maybe not, these people are more than anything, cowards and are never likely to take this talk of violent overthrow any further than their mother’s basement.
October 8th, 2009 at 4:21 pmCan we get these 200 “patriots” to arm up and attack the White House? Please?
Once they’re confronted by a couple of thousand soldiers and police, a lot more armed up then they are, with air support and heavy artillery, we’ll see just how brave they are.
I’m sure that those that don’t get killed will enjoy their lifelong stay in prison, unfortunately at government expense. This will solve the problem.
October 8th, 2009 at 4:24 pmAnd where “should he be”, Jim, you mouth-breathing cave-dweller?
October 8th, 2009 at 4:58 pmI repeat: United States Code 18:
TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 115 > § 2385
Advocating overthrow of Government
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
October 8th, 2009 at 5:07 pmWhoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.
These people are too fragmented.
They should get better organized.
I think they should start a new movement that is clearly against liberal activism.
They can call it…
National American Movement Blasting Liberal Activism.
or
National Outcry to Reeducate Misinformed Liberals.
or
Patriotic Education Training Association.
(I can’t stop. Help me.)
October 8th, 2009 at 5:09 pmAhhhhh isn’t is sweet when the pussy and the welcher acts so CONCERNED??
Be still my heart! Or did backup take your’s already aaronk?
October 8th, 2009 at 6:10 pm@ 91. ConservativeChristian says: … people still believe the false left-right paradigm? … October 8th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
The left-right paradigm isn’t false, CC; it started as a convention, a convenience of terminology and parliamentary organization, and it’s still a useful discriminant between political philosophies. After the various revolutions of the late 18th century and the 19th century in Europe, it became the practice in the parliaments of most constitutional monarchies to seat the democratic and liberal members to the left of the presiding officer and the conservatives, reactionaries, and (ahem) monarchists to the right. That arrangement isn’t used universally any more (if it ever was), but it is a convenience in demarcating political groups.
October 8th, 2009 at 7:13 pmCan you imagine if a group of Muslims were making these threats to overthrow the president through an armed coup? They would be in jail, probably being tortured, so fast their heads would spin.
So why do these southern whities get off so easily?
October 8th, 2009 at 9:19 pmArt says:
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These people are too fragmented.
They should get better organized.
I think they should start a new movement that is clearly against liberal activism.
They can call it…
National American Movement Blasting Liberal Activism.
or
National Outcry to Reeducate Misinformed Liberals.
or
Patriotic Education Training Association.
(I can’t stop. Help me.)
October 8th, 2009 at 5:09
October 8th, 2009 at 10:11 pmAll right, I’m gonna channel my inner Rachel Maddow and say: Please pass the popcorn! Seriously, this is more entertaining than anything on t.v. except maybe Hannity and Beck (I watch them when I’m feeling down and need a laugh).
aaronk messed up and made a little bit of sense, but I see he made up for it. :-D
October 8th, 2009 at 11:18 pm@ 155. Saint Augustine says:
“@ 112. Max Anax junius -1 says:. FYI. 400 years ago, what little there was of it, America was under British Rule, NO? The Native population, American Indian, was largely untouched and the American Indian Genocide had not happened yet.”
No, Max. The major European power here then was Spain which had founded St. Augustine in 1565. Jamestown, the 1st British colony was not founded until 1607, hardly enough time to establish rule. Earlier attempts to colonize Florida were stymied by hostile Indians who, it is believed, had been subjected to slaving raids by Spaniards with plantations on different Caribbean islands. October 8th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
And if you really want to examine it further, after Cortez’ conquest of Mexico, 1519-1521, there was a serious outbreak of European illnesses, primarily smallpox, among the indigenous peoples of Mexico who were being reduced to near slavery or peasentry by the Spanish. The estimates of the number of deaths from European diseases for Mexico’s indigenous people range as high as 90%.
In 1540, an expedition out of Mexico into what is now the US SW was mounted under Coronado. He entered the territory that is now the state of New Mexico west of present day El Paso, marched north to the area of Acoma and Zuni Puebloes, and the marched the expeditionary force east to the Rio Grande to near present day Bernalillo NM (north of Albuquerque). He wintered over at the Bernalillo site, which is now NM’s Coronado State Monument, which was one of many (middle) Rio Grande pueblos. The next spring, the expedition went a little further north and then well to the east. Before turning back to the Rio Grande and returning to Mexico, elements of the expedition reached what is now Kansas.
Then the Spaniards colonized New Mexico in 1598, establishing the colony initially just north of present day Espanola NM, and moving the headquarters and capital to what is now Santa Fe NM about 10 years later. Santa Fe is celebrating the 400th anniversary of it’s founding this year, in fact.
The Spanish who established St. Augustine defeated and drove off a French expedition which attempted to establish a fort at Jacksonville FL a year before the St. Augustine was ‘founded’. Add to that the French efforts starting in about 1534 to colonize what is now Canada, and similar efforts by the Netherlands via the Dutch East India Company in the same period, as well as the Portugese, and it becomes clear that there were a lot more Europeans, and certainly more nations than England, pursuing the goal of colonization in “the New World” in the 1500s, well before the first successful English colony.
October 9th, 2009 at 12:38 pm@ 169. An additional note: The diseases that were responsible for killing a lot of Mexico’s indigenous peoples didn’t just stop in Mexico. The Aztecs and others were trading with peoples well into New Mexico and Colorado, California, Arizona and Texas, and the diseases spread to those areas before the Spaniards, let alone the Anglos, arrived.
Something similar happened in the Canadian Maritime/St. Laurence region, spreading westward, and in the New England/New Amsterdam region.
The estimates for how many people died of diseases like smallpox, for which the American indigenous population had no immunity, has a pretty broad range. Some tribes just disappeared and the Europeans, having had no contact with them, never even knew about it. The active genocide of various European-Americans v Native Americans came a little later.
October 9th, 2009 at 12:49 pmI keep saying it- White folks have gone crazy now that a Black Man is in the White House. And now even more since he won the Noble Peace Prize. It is a shame…
October 9th, 2009 at 1:50 pmSo when can we expect to hear about “Jim from Oklahoma” being tracked down and waterboarded? After all, he’s 100% as likely to have actionable intelligence about real threats to the US as a typical Gitmo detainee…
October 9th, 2009 at 3:25 pmSO, let me get this stright. Since I love my country and feel as though what the BO administration is doing (expanding government) from what GB started, I am a “right wing nutjob”?
October 9th, 2009 at 3:30 pmBecuase I have to tell you, MOST of the LEFTY comments that I see are no better than MOST of the RW comments that I see!
The blogs and the right/left paradigm are going to drive a civil war. There are too many pissed off, out of work and disgruntled people are there. There are also too many people know that Bush and Obama are just TOOLS for the global banking cartel and if YOU (Right or Left) do not know that by now, you need to turn the TV off and read some real journalism. The propaganda that is spewed on most sites and the MSM has done it’s job! It has pit Americans against one another. Just like the British did in the 1700’s and that’s why, three percent of the population stood up to it and if needed, will do so again. Then the lefty population will fall in the same order as they did back then. You do NOT have the balls to stand up for what is “right” you always will hide behind, what is LEFT!!!
I recently saw the video of this threatening person and it became evident it was bogus. When it got pointed out, the video was pulled by the left site that ran it, even though it was a right sites video.
I think this is the NEOCONS from newsmax trying to get the left and right hating each other like they have done since rove and atwater ran the campaign against Muskie that used the first truly dirty tricks.
If I didn’t know better, I would say this is a Rove trick to precipitate civil war and we are fools to allow them to pull this off. With only 300 neocons ripping us off, they need the 300 million of us divided and fighting each other.
That is the ONLY WAY they are safe and in control. Do not let them get away with this. Many of us know good people on the right that we disagree with but this kind of idiot is not reflective of the entire right political spectrum. Its like saying all of us on the left are all commies, which is rediculous on its face.
Don’t fall into the Goebbels Hitler trap….
“Never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.” Adolph Hitler
October 9th, 2009 at 3:39 pmThis isn’t talk of staging a revolution in a third world dictatorship, this is talk of staging a redneck coup d’état of a president who was elected by a large majority.
So… the dixie chicks aren’t allowed to say they’re ashamed Bush is from Texas, but these people are perfectly justified in saying they’re about to overthrow the US government itself.
It makes perfect sense. I can see it all so clearly now!
We liberals just plain aren’t allowed to voice our opinions… and the conservatives are!
Simple as that. Phew.
morons…
October 9th, 2009 at 5:45 pmNever underestimate the power of idiots in large numbers… Hahahaha|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmvdTALgVbA&feature=related
October 10th, 2009 at 9:57 amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmvdTALgVbA&feature=related But seriously, is the FBI aware of these crackpots!
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And where “should he be”, Jim, you mouth-breathing cave-dweller?
Probably in the fields planting or weeding tobbacco. Gotta love those good ‘ol days!
October 10th, 2009 at 9:59 amAlthough it hasn’t been used lately, the Smith Act is still on the books.
I think a few prosecutions are in order. And wouldn’t it be poetic justice that a law used to stifle legimate dissent in the 1950s would be used against the mindset that created this law in the first place?
October 10th, 2009 at 1:45 pmThank you for your sharing.!
October 14th, 2009 at 9:41 amThis stuff should be taken seriously and I believe it is taken seriously by the secret service, but we should dwell on it. gögüs küçültme ameliyati
October 15th, 2009 at 4:39 am