New Oklahoma law will publicy post details of women’s abortions online.
New Oklahoma law will publicy post details of women’s abortions online.
On Nov. 1, a law in Oklahoma will go into effect that will collect personal details about every single abortion performed in the state and post them on a public website. Implementing the measure will “cost $281,285 the first year and $256,285 each subsequent year.” Here are the first eight questions that women will have to reveal:
1. Date of abortion
2. County in which abortion performed
3. Age of mother
4. Marital status of mother
(married, divorced, separated, widowed, or never married)
5. Race of mother
6. Years of education of mother
(specify highest year completed)
7. State or foreign country of residence of mother
8. Total number of previous pregnancies of the mother
Live Births
Miscarriages
Induced Abortions
Although the questionnaire does not ask for name, address, or “any information specifically identifying the patient,” as Feminists for Choice points out, these eight questions could easily be used to identify a woman in a small community. “They’re really just trying to frighten women out of having abortions,” Keri Parks, director of external affairs at Planned Parenthood of Central Oklahoma, said. The Center for Reproductive Rights is challenging the law, arguing that “it violates the Oklahoma Constitution because it ‘covers more than one subject’ — a challenge that previously worked to strike down an abortion ultrasound law.”
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October 8th, 2009 at 9:58 amOklahoma is OK… if you’re a neanderthal or extreme fundamentalist, but I repeat myself
October 8th, 2009 at 10:02 amThis is an outrage! ALL medical records are to be kept private! What’s next? Publishing who is on Birth Control? I don’t see anyone demanding that MEN have to release information if they get Viagra. If i was woman living in OK. I would move immediatly.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:02 amSo is not your medical record confidential?
If so would this not be some kinda HIPPA breach?
just wondering.
I know we can ask that crack doctor from OK,,,,, what was his name>>>>>>> oh yes one man truth squad>>>>>>>>>>>
October 8th, 2009 at 10:03 amHow do these crackas intend to ENFORCE such a law?
October 8th, 2009 at 10:04 amNew Oklahoma law will publicy post details of women’s abortions online.
– - In which public square will they have the bonfire burning of these women?
October 8th, 2009 at 10:08 amI can’t get over this. Why are people so dumb to allow this to happen? I thought the Righties were so concerned about the ‘Government’ taking over everything, and yet, they allow this? Peeking into private medical records? Pulbishing personal information?
October 8th, 2009 at 10:09 amDeacon, Doctor, and ‘Master of Secret Holds’ Coburn and Dipshit, Neanderthal ‘I’m against everything’ Inhofe surely support this intrusion on personal rights to medical confidentiality.
Abortion is LEGAL. Get over it, rednecks.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:09 amBefore this law goes could someone post all of personal details of the “lawmakers” who voted for this? Phone numbers, addresses and e-mail addresses should be included so they can be contacted about the absurdity of this.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:09 amFundies are worried about abortions but could care less about healthcare and education. Village idiots.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:10 amP.D. says:
October 8th, 2009 at 10:09 am
It’s the modern version of being in stocks in the public square.
Some people really get off on that shit.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:11 amThis is truly disturbing- something from a police state mentality. This law was likely brought in by the same religious crazies who call Obama a Nazi– time for these haters of women & freedom to examine their own extremism & motives.
Why is this necessary?
October 8th, 2009 at 10:13 amDoes Oklahoma really have $256,285 to $281,285 a year to spend on this? Wouldn’t that money be more useful… say… hiring teachers, paying for police equipment, or paying for flu shots for underprivileged kids? Aren’t we in the middle of an economic crisis? Oh right, we’re “in recovery.”
Carry on, then, carry on.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:13 amZooey@11, This is an assault on women. You are right. And the fact is, these people who live on the Red States have the worst educational standards in the U.S. The Christian Right has a strangle hold in these states. These women have to either fight for their rights or leave. It is up to them.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:16 amSo i bet there will be lots of and i hope so minnie mouses and babbling brooks, nellie naysayer etc…
October 8th, 2009 at 10:17 am“They’re really just trying to frighten women out of having abortions,” Keri Parks, director of external affairs at Planned Parenthood of Central Oklahoma, said.
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Well, duh.
I can understand an effort to gather statistical data — our society just loves to gather statistical data on everything. And publishing a chart of compiled, summarized data isn’t a big deal.
What is unusual is to publish data in such a form that an individual could be identified — as publishing information on each individual abortion could do. This is clearly an invasion of privacy. And it’s intended to be.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:18 amblond@13, You would think they would spend that money on education or child care. Or immunizations for the young and elderly. But it’s a Red State. These Repugs don’t give a sh*t.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:19 amFrom the article: The measure was billed as a way to prevent abortions based on the gender of the fetus.
Question 1: Date of Abortion.
How does one prevent an abortion that has already happened?
This bill is designed to persecute those using a perfectly legal activity.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:19 amP.D. says:
These women have to either fight for their rights or leave. It is up to them.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:16 am
If only it were that easy, my friend. These women have been beaten down and indoctrinated for generations.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:20 am“Get your government hands off my Medicare!”
“You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands”
“I dont need no government telling me I can’t eat a cheeseburger”
And then there’s this.
The reactionary right isn’t the most consistent of groups, are they.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:21 amI’m totally surprised they’re not just forcing stainless steel chastity belts on the good women of Okiedokia.(No offense to our poster OkieDokie intended or implied)
October 8th, 2009 at 10:22 amIt won’t be long before this law winds up in the courts. Somebody needs to go up to bat for the Oklahoman women. Let’s hope it happens.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:22 amblondejew says
October 8th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Wouldn’t that money be more useful… say… [...] paying for flu shots for underprivileged kids?
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You’re making an assumption that the people who are concerned about life in the womb are equally concerned about the welfare of children after they’re born.
C’mon — we’re talking about the far right, here.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:22 amHey, they’re only collecting statistical data. What’s the harm in that? So what if someone can figure out who the woman was, they’re still protecting the father’s privacy, and, after all, men are more important than women anyway. If a woman doesn’t want this information made public, she shouldn’t have sex or allow herself to be raped. Heck, they should have required the women to all wear a scarlet “A” (for abortion) on all their clothes. That way we’ll all know who’d damned to hell for their transgression against God.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:23 am
That’s barbaric. It’s turning those women into criminals for exercising their right to choose.
It reminded me instantly of the websites on which you can find pictures of sex offenders…
So…I guess women who choose are the new “sex offenders,” eh?
Bastards. Every time I think we may have found the bottom of the Well of Stupidity in this country, the wingnuts manage to dig a few feet deeper…
October 8th, 2009 at 10:23 amZooey@19, Very true. But they have too. The cycle will continue. With media and communication, they have to find a way. Or founding mothers had less. I’m not without empathy. I feel for them. But they have to try.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:23 amOklahoma is sounding more like ‘A Handmaiden’s Tale’ every day.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:24 amRepugs sticking their nose in peoples business. God I hate these asshats.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:25 amWouldn’t this violate HIPPA laws? Also, by forcing only women to reveal personal private information (and not men), doesn’t this also violate the 14th Amendment?
Have a good day, everyone. See you tonight.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:28 amOkay, that should be HIPAA. What do I know?
October 8th, 2009 at 10:29 amWell, pretty much everything that came to mind when I saw this article has already been said in the first twenty-five posts.
Private medical records made public? Check.
Government intrusion into private lives? Check.
Heck, Leftside Annie even used the word that first popped into my head — barbaric.
I guess when an issue is this easily recognized as horrendous, it kind of limits our available responses.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:29 amP.D. says:
Zooey@19, Very true. But they have too. The cycle will continue. With media and communication, they have to find a way. Or founding mothers had less. I’m not without empathy. I feel for them. But they have to try.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:23 am
The issue is very complex, but I’m with you, PD!
October 8th, 2009 at 10:29 amOklahoma doesn’t like women much. It is a red state. As Zooey points out, it’s hard to stand up when they beat you down every time an issue like this comes up.
Domestic violence is considered a family matter here and it is literally impossible to get anything done about it. You have to deal with it on your own without law enforcement, they are always on the husbands side here.
Oklahoma is one of eight states that allow insurance companies to exploit domestic violence as a pre-existing condition to deny health care coverage.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:30 amIntrepid says:
It won’t be long before this law winds up in the courts. Somebody needs to go up to bat for the Oklahoman women. Let’s hope it happens.
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That was my first thought too…
(Actually… it was more along the lines of “Holy creeping Jeebus SHIIIIIIIIITE… what could they have POSSIBLY been
drinkingthinking?)Then, AFTER I calmed down… I thought… this will surely never pass muster in front of the SCOTUS…
Then I realized such BRILLIANT legal minds as Scalia and Thomas would be hearing the case…
***eyes roll***
October 8th, 2009 at 10:31 amIt’s designed to frighten women away from having an abortion for fear that it will become known that they had the proceedure done. Think, for example, of a frightened teenager, impregnated by an abusive father/stepfather/mom’s “boyfriend”. In a rural community, the data revealed would allow the male to figure out that she had an abortion. She could end up severely beaten, or dead. So she “chooses” to have the baby, and is burdened with caring for it for the next decade and a half or so.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:31 amThis is what religious fundamentalists want to turn this country into.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:34 amJust another shitty consequence of the confluence of church and state.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:34 amOutrageous.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:34 amOklahomans agree to spend 1/4 million every year to track this data — for what purpose?
The Oklahoma taliban are in control.
This calls for an appeal to the SCOTUS on its legality.
This is punitive to women. Men would never be subjected to such an invasion of perosnal privacy.
Notice not a troll in sight defending this horseshit.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:35 amThe Religious Right’s hold on these states is powerful. My mother, (a lapsed Catholic) moved to N.C. for two years. What happened? She became a Rightie. Every Christmas and Birthday my family is showered with Bibles and Religious theme gifts. At first, I was polite. But then started the preaching. I finally put my foot down when I realized she went off the deep end. Now EVERYTHING is religion! Every conversation, everything in politics. I guess she thinks I’m Hellbound. I can live with that.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:35 amDid children complain or protest child labor laws?
Did slaves?
Placing the onus on the victim doesn’t seem fair. I have a feeling that you don’t really understand what life is like when people are truly oppressed by family and government.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:35 amMan. This law is even more creepy if you read it in full:
October 8th, 2009 at 10:37 amhttp://www.sos.state.ok.us/documents/Legislation/52nd/2009/1R/HB/1595.pdf
RUC@39, Yeah, where are those cretins? Their usually spewing their venom by now. Maybe Palin is making a speech on Faux News?
October 8th, 2009 at 10:37 amI say, fine as long as they produce information about the person who fathered the embryo. like how many other women he’s knocked up, his race, age, and county he did the deed in.
If they’re trying to prevent unplanned pregnancies, they should also threaten the father, and in small communities, it’ll be easier to figure out his identity as well.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:40 am40. PD My sister moved to Kentucky, a church every 2 blocks and experienced that, ” what church do you belong to shit” These people need to be legal fought where ever and when ever they try this crap.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:40 amFred@41, Touche. I can handle the critism for my remark.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:40 amHell why go 8k miles to fight the Taliban went we could save the plane fuel and fight them here. Not much diff rents in AQ and OK
October 8th, 2009 at 10:41 am(senator&congress)
Rab@45, Does she still live there?
October 8th, 2009 at 10:41 amP.D. says:
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I can’t get over this. Why are people so dumb to allow this to happen? I thought the Righties were so concerned about the ‘Government’ taking over everything, and yet, they allow this? Peeking into private medical records? Pulbishing personal information?
P.D. – don’t believe that for a minute. Last night I heard a quote from some Texas member of the house arguing against passing a tougher hate crimes bill because it would lead to beastiality (sp?) and people wanting to have sex with corpses, and would lead to a Nazi state, and on and on. I almost drove off the road while listening to this idiot. They are only concenred when they can’t get their way.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:41 am48. PD Unfortunately she still does. I have visited and found the people friendly, but………….. Different parts of the state are downright prehistoric.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:43 amI’m not trying to be rude PD, I have personal experience here in ok with this problem.
Once we lived in a neighborhood where our neighbor was abusing his wife and children daily. We called every agency, politician, etc. that we could find. The end result was nothing was done and the father was even more angry and the wife and children suffered even more.
You have to be very careful. Real people are being hurt and it is accepted as his right to do so. As many pointed out…..religion is a big part of the problem.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:45 am# 35 Briseadh na Faire says:
Thanks Bnf, but ummm, my question was rhetorical :D
October 8th, 2009 at 10:46 amI’d be hard pressed to think of a single more dispicalbe thing the republicans have done. What if the woman was a Haliburton employee and was raped?
Rest assured, when we all go to the great hereafter – assuming there is one – you won’t be seeing any republicans there.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:46 amNote “first eight questions”. Total number of questions is 37(!)
October 8th, 2009 at 10:48 amFred@51, You are not being rude. You have every right to call me out on something you disagree with. And you are right. Domestic violence (especially down South) is an outrage. I’m lucky to live in a Blue State. But even here, domestic violence is a problem.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:49 am#38, Marie says:
This is punitive to women. Men would never be subjected to such an invasion of perosnal privacy.
And based on the questions asked above, the men aren’t. Let’s revise the questions to show equality, shall we, and require the same information about the father. As for the final question, I’d like them to compile information if the mother is receiving financial support from the father if a previous pregnancy resulted in a live birth.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:55 amThe thing that bothers me personally about this, other than the outrageousness of the law, is that it will be publicizing statistics about women who have procedures that are medically considered ‘abortion’ but are due to miscarriage or other pregnancies that aren’t viable. Having lived through that myself, I sure as hell don’t want that information out there for people to figure out. I didn’t tell many people after the first time I had surgery due to an ectopic pregnancy, and I told even fewer after the 2nd one. And if you don’t think it counts, let me tell you – every friggin’ piece of consent I had to sign prior to having surgery used the term abortion. So now they’re not only trying to scare those who might have one ‘electively’, for lack of a better term, and to humiliate those of us who have had the misfortunate of losing a pregnancy, as well.
Not to mention the hypocrasy, of course, of these chumps demanding the gov’t stay out of THEIR health business. But when it comes to us womenfolk…well, it’s okay. It helps keep us in our place. >_<
October 8th, 2009 at 10:55 amUm, wouldn’t just tatooing a big red “A” on their foreheads be cheaper? I mean, this isn’t about stopping abortions as much as demonizing the women, am I right?
October 8th, 2009 at 10:56 amSounds pretty clearly unconstitutional. I know there are a lot of good people in OK but overall what a backward state. Look who represents it in the Senate. You have to feel sorry for anyone who lives there with even an ounce of sense, especially women.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:59 amAnd before anyone jumps me for my comments, I’ve lived in OK for over 10 years, and saw firsthand the hypocrisy. My grandson’s other family (his father’s)in OK have 6 boys and three girls and they’ve all been divorced, some multiple times, even their parents.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:59 amOn Nov. 1, a law in Oklahoma will go into effect that will collect personal details about every single abortion performed in the state and post them on a public website.
If I’m not mistaken, this is in direct conflict with federal medical privacy legislation. This is a court case just waiting to happen. Guess which law wins?
Cheers,
October 8th, 2009 at 11:06 amHte bill also says
Right.. if the information is reported in accordance with the Statistical Reporting of Abortion Act then it will very likely lead to the identification of individual females.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:07 amReally TP? My comment #50 is awaiting moderation?
Bizarre!
October 8th, 2009 at 11:15 amHow can this possibly be constitutional?
Let the appeal process begin.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:22 amWhat this country is desperately in need of is a constitutional amendment protecting the right to privacy. So-called conservatives make a big deal about government staying out of peoples lives. Conservative and hypocrite now have the same definition.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:24 amWiz,
I was doing a little on line research the other day and the U.S., Russia, U.K. and China are the most heavily survielled societys on earth.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:26 amAnd when we say, hey! a-yippy-i-o-ey
We’re only say’n
You’re doing fine Oklahoma.
Oklahoma, O-K-L-A-H-O-M-A,
Oklahoma!
My apologies to all non far right wing conservative Oklahomans. Yoo Hoo! Are there any out there? Speak up! This one is so far wrong.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:27 amThis is one of the issues that gets right to the heart of the current state of conservatism – it is dying because there is no coherent message. This law is the definition of “big government getting into your personal business.”
Conservative dogma today: No regulations on corporations! Massive, unprecedented regulation on the personal lives of individual women!
October 8th, 2009 at 11:30 amRepublicans are for smaller, less intrusive government.*
* = unless it involves some of the most private things in your life.
What hypocrites.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:31 amI’m not outraged . .
Screw ‘em . .
Do these wackos think any female will answer any of these questions TRUTHFULLY??????
I wouldn’t . .
Neocons wasting taxpayer money, what else is new????
Idiots . .
October 8th, 2009 at 11:32 am“The Scarlet Letter – Part 2″…
October 8th, 2009 at 11:34 amsigh…
“On Nov. 1, a law in Oklahoma will go into effect that will collect personal details about every single abortion performed in the state and post them on a public website.”
Well, ‘every’ abortion that isn’t performed by a ‘connected’ friend of guys like Coburn-(R-Idiot) w/ doctor/country club friend that will ‘help out’ a business/church/pol client w a family ’situation’. Those abortions always have been/will be ‘off the record’. For the rest of you… well;
It’s 1950-something again in Okla-F-Ing-homa, Coburn country. So ‘beautiful’ they had to give it away to get people to go there:
and, populated by the ancestors of ‘Sooner’ cheats…yeah, that ‘fits’.
I nominate the Okies for secession, can I get a second?
October 8th, 2009 at 11:39 amralph the wonder llama says:
Well, pretty much everything that came to mind when I saw this article has already been said in the first twenty-five posts.
Private medical records made public? Check.
Government intrusion into private lives? Check.
Heck, Leftside Annie even used the word that first popped into my head — barbaric.
I guess when an issue is this easily recognized as horrendous, it kind of limits our available responses.
And the repiggies say they are for smaller government………Hooey!
*rolls eyes*
October 8th, 2009 at 11:42 am#72
I second it!!
October 8th, 2009 at 11:42 amPlus, I can’t help but notice that in their extensive questioning, they absent-mindedly forgot to ask anything about the father. Someone should remind them that the vast majority of these pregnancies involve both a woman AND a man.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:43 amThe next state statute coming out of Oklahoma will authorize irate husbands to perform ‘home correction’ when they get home from work and dinner isn’t on the table in their freshly vacuuumed, spotlessly dusted domicile.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:43 am77% of the teens in OK don’t know who the 1st POTUS was. 65% cannot name the body of water on the east coast.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:43 amOklahoma, the “sooner” state.
The “sooner” Oklahoma secedes along with Texas, the better.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:44 amDavidHart says:
77% of the teens in OK don’t know who the 1st POTUS was. 65% cannot name the body of water on the east coast.
Wow. That’s no child left behind for ya.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:45 amChicken Legs says:
This is great news!
Translation:
Chicken Legs says:
Isn’t making women second class citizens by sticking my nose in their business great?
Why do you hate women, little pussy?
And why hasn’t TP banned you for using the C-unit word?
Speaking of pussy, why are you a pussy?
October 8th, 2009 at 11:49 amHey chickenshit conformist legs, can you locate Oklahoma on a map?
October 8th, 2009 at 11:50 amHis nickname was permanently affixed to him by Chicago Daily News sportswriter Francis Powers who, upon witnessing him play for the Badgers against the Great Lakes Naval Station in 1942, wrote “His crazy legs were gyrating in six different directions, all at the same time; he looked like a demented duck.”[1]
Yes, our troll has the visage of a demented duck.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:53 amRIP Elroy (June 17, 1923 – January 28, 2004)
RUCerious says:
The next state statute coming out of Oklahoma will authorize irate husbands to perform ‘home correction’ when they get home from work and dinner isn’t on the table in their freshly vacuuumed, spotlessly dusted domicile.
Oklahoma:
“Progressively moving foreward to 1950.”
October 8th, 2009 at 11:54 amSo Im actually pro-life, but this is ridiculous. Its also in direct violation of federal privacy laws. I work with health information for a living and due to HIPAA we cant use any identifiable data without all kinds of paperwork (including consent of the patient). According to HIPAA, one of the identifiers we cant use is county of residence.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:55 amFirst let’s start outing everything one can find out about the person or persons who introduced this law to the Oklahoma Legislature!
October 8th, 2009 at 11:56 amGo back to this person or persons birth date and dig every bit of dirt you can on them. As you’re digging dirt on the author/authors of this law,start do the same for every person who voted yes on it!
An update on Roman Polanski’s “Chinatown.”
“Forget it Jake. It’s Oklahoma”
October 8th, 2009 at 12:11 pmWhat benefit will the State of Oklahoma gain from publishing this data, which is an invasion of privacy. It there is no financial benefit then this is a waste of $250,000+ a year of taxpayer money that should be spent elsewhere or not collected in taxes. The State treasury should not be used for purposes that are solely political (as this looks to be).
October 8th, 2009 at 12:12 pmIntrepid (et al) the ‘2nd’ is appreciated. Here’s a YouTube vid from last summer about Tex-ASS secession ‘noise’: ‘Houston, We Have A Solution’ by AndyCobb: http://j.mp/ne2ko
What applies to Tex-ASS in the video goes (at least) 2X for Okla-F-Ing-Homa!
Enjoy!
October 8th, 2009 at 12:15 pmDoesn’t this violate the patients right to privacy?
October 8th, 2009 at 12:26 pmNinerfan #87,
Good Reference!
October 8th, 2009 at 12:30 pm#
kennethetucker says:
Intrepid (et al) the ‘2nd’ is appreciated. Here’s a YouTube vid from last summer about Tex-ASS secession ‘noise’: ‘Houston, We Have A Solution’ by AndyCobb: http://j.mp/ne2ko
What applies to Tex-ASS in the video goes (at least) 2X for Okla-F-Ing-Homa!
Enjoy!
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That video made me fall off my chair laughing. :)
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Krazny says:
Doesn’t this violate the patients right to privacy?
Yes. More than that. It violates the fourth amendment on the bill of rights.
Time to take them to court, pronto!
October 8th, 2009 at 12:33 pmShucks, OK seemed like such a nice place.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:37 pmImagine what OK is gonna do if the “Public Option” for healthcare is assigned to the states. Rather than death panels, I predict death squads.
While I am pro-life, I can’t for the life of me figure out how this is ethical. For the moment, lets ignore the abortion aspect and note that this also applies to stillbirth/miscarrage. While the state has a strong responsibility to report aggregate data, reporting individual data is making a person’s healthcare a matter of public record.
Also, as reported above, this is also a violation of federal law – HIPPAA.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:37 pmThis is disgusting and cruel. I hope this “law” gets repealed in court. What they need to spend tax dollars on is EDUCATION! 75% of their HS students couldn’t name the first President of the United States!!! What in hell is going on in Oklahoma?
October 8th, 2009 at 12:50 pmI live in Oklahoma and the first I’ve heard of this was this morning. Unfortunately I don’t read the right-wing fishwrap called the Daily Oklahoman. I don’t expect they said much about it in any case. Here in OK the religious asshats control the house and senate (they are, in most cases, worse than Coburn or Inhofe). The guv is a Dem but he is term-limited and Mary Fallin (my congress rep…) is running and will probably win the governers job. That means that the Governor, the State Senate and the State House will all be controlled by the far right. My wife and I are planning to move as soon as I can sell my house (wish me luck) to escape this nuthouse. One of my daughters refuses to come back here for any reason.
I expect this law will be reversed eventually. At least I hope so.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:52 pm1. EAT SH!T & DIE
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3. EAT SH!T & DIE
4. EAT SH!T & DIE
5. EAT SH!T & DIE
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Chuckie,
Good luck on selling the house, where are you planning to move to?
October 8th, 2009 at 12:59 pmAbortion has bee the law of the land for over thirty years. If pro-lifers don’t want to get abortions, by all means don’t have them. I don’t drink but I don’t care if others do. It is their business. For idiots who are too ignorant to get in out of the rain worry so much about what others do with their bodies, they become a nuisance to society. Fundies need to worry about that education they didn’t get and that healthcare that they don’t have. This law should be struck down along with the wingnuts who passed it.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:24 pmThis is absolutely ridiculous. The thing they don’t realize is that by requiring women to do this, they’re just going to go to a nearby state to have the abortion. That way they won’t be required to give up all of this information. And just based on the questions they require you to answer it seems like a clear violation of a person’s rights. I mean seriously marital status, race, year’s of education? What is the point of this other than to violate someone’s rights and scare someone out of doing this. Wait, that’s exactly what they’re trying to do. I can’t say it enough. This is ridiculous.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:24 pmI did not know the Taliban had a branch in the Oklahoma State House.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:24 pmamazing this is the language that they used for this piece of shit legislation. The female population of OK needs to get off of their asses and start fighting back! Women out number men. There is a 10 page questionaire that the physicians need to fill out per person. It is being kept on the State Department Website.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:26 pm“abortion” means the use of prescription of any instrument, medicine, drug, or any other substance or device intentionally to terminate the pregnancy of a female known to be pregnant with an intention other than to increase the probability of a live birth, to preserve the life or health of the child after live birth, to remove an ectopic pregnancy, or to remove a dead unborn child who died as the result of a spontaneous miscarriage, accidental trauma, or a criminal assault on the pregnant female or her unborn child.
“Unborn Child” means the unborn offspring of human beings from the moment of conception, through pregnancy, and until live birth including the human conceptus, zygot, morula, blastocyst, embryo an fetus;
I see this as backfiring on the conservatives. Everyone in Oklahoma knows each other. Very small town community type of areas. People will be able to figure out who got the abortions with this information. Here how it is a problem for conservative men.
See, conservative women for the most part vote conservative cause it’s what the husband tells them to do. Don’t deny it, when I go get my haircut the women tell me this. But anyways, the conservative women cheat on conservative men alot cause they have little d!ck$. Then they get abortions without telling the husbands, so they don’t find out they are cheating. With this new law the men will find out they are cheating and the women will get mad and leave them. Leaving them free to finally vote the way they want, Democratic.
I know it sounds wacky, but if the right can come up with crazy BS like death panels, birthers, racist, etc. I see no problem with what I just said.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:35 pmAlthough the questionnaire does not ask for name, address, or “any information specifically identifying the patient,”
So on Saturday night everyone is going to sit around and try to figure out who had an abortion? LMAO.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:37 pm“SB 1878 required women seeking an abortion to have an ultrasound within an hour of the procedure and have the findings explained to them.”
“Explained to them”??!! If that isn’t the most condescending thing I’ve ever heard! These Neanderthals really think women are just stupid whiddle females that can’t make their own decisions regarding their lives and their bodies.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:38 pmSickening!!
Mr. Duke wrote:
So on Saturday night everyone is going to sit around and try to figure out who had an abortion? LMAO.
What else is there to do? They can’t read the bible cause it’s to liberal. They have to wait until the new pure conservative bible is written.
It will backfire on them for sure. Women wont take that crap and they will leave them. So the conservative men will have no wife and a smaller political party. They will still have their guns to start the next revolution :)
October 8th, 2009 at 1:46 pmOklahoma Sucks!
Really. It does.
Sucks, huffs, puffs, pants and blows…
Heartland…for narrow-mindedness, xenophobia, race hatred, releigous bigotry, and institutional (there is no other kind) racism…
Stay the phuque out of Okie-dom…
October 8th, 2009 at 1:50 pmQXXIX wrote:
“SB 1878 required women seeking an abortion to have an ultrasound within an hour of the procedure and have the findings explained to them.”
“Explained to them”??!! If that isn’t the most condescending thing I’ve ever heard! These Neanderthals really think women are just stupid whiddle females that can’t make their own decisions regarding their lives and their bodies.
Sickening!!
Problem is alot of conservative women still live life like it’s the early 1900’s. They vote the way the husband tells them, they are stay at home mothers, even if they want to work. And they are fine being treated this way.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:51 pmCheck out the laws state by state:
Oklahoma:
October 8th, 2009 at 1:52 pmhttp://www.prochoiceamerica.org/choice-action-center/in_your_state/who-decides/state-profiles/oklahoma.html
One of my daughters refuses to come back here for any reason.
smart girl…
If I-40 didn’t go through it, I’d never set foot (or tire) in the miserable, god-blighted place ever again…
October 8th, 2009 at 1:53 pmDoesn’t surprise me at all. Been to Oklahoma once, and I can honestly say it is the worst state I have ever had the displeasure of visiting. Everybody I saw appeared to be inbred, missing teeth, or both.
If Texas decides to secede, I hope they take Oklahoma with them.
October 8th, 2009 at 2:17 pmA year or two ago there was going to be a law passed (and I am not clear if this ever happened but) in Oklahoma where they were going to make the women view an ultrashound before having an abortion. The way these Pro-Life or extreme right thinkers assume that these options are simple or easy for a women are absurd. This is mental abuse and their tactics are midevil. When women have power or say over their own bodies the masses (Rep) go nuts!
October 8th, 2009 at 2:20 pmThese same people only care about the pregnancy being full term and a baby being produced!!! This is where they walk off and care nothing about the future of a child. Welfare and housing and living wages are of no concern to them and yet they say they care about human life. How pathetic.
These pro-birth/anti-life states never cease to amaze me.
I cannot possibly imagine what they need any of this information for a Legal medical procedure that should be between a woman, her doctor and her god.
October 8th, 2009 at 2:24 pmWEll why not just put these woman in the middle of the street and stone them. I cannot even begin to express my anger over this. I by no means think that abortions are a good thing, on the other hand I do believe that to make this public is just another step to losing our freedom.
October 8th, 2009 at 2:30 pmI also can’t believe our money is going to be used for this. I heard yesterday that a bootcamp for teens is being shut down because the state is low on cash. Is this what we are becoming. To hell with helping teens and take away more freedom.
And I’ll bet they lock up the condoms behind locked glass in the pharmacy department. They aren’t trying to prevent unplanned pregnancies. They’re trying to prevent sex outside of marriage at all costs.
Do they keep track of the the age, sex, race etc. of the men who purchase condoms? I’m betting they don’t. Double standards for men and women. The neanderthals that proposed and passed this bill think women must be too stupid to think for themselves or run their own lives.
If women are that stupid, why allow them to raise children at all? Clearly stupidity is hereditary?
October 8th, 2009 at 2:34 pmSlipped into the bill is the definition of “Unborn Child” at the point of conception. The rest is the Trojan Horse.
October 8th, 2009 at 2:36 pmkasinca says:
Abortion has bee the law of the land for over thirty years. If pro-lifers don’t want to get abortions, by all means don’t have them.
You’d be surprised at how many right wingers have had abortions.
October 8th, 2009 at 2:37 pmThis is a fishing expedition by the government. Plain and simple.
October 8th, 2009 at 2:54 pmLooks like the Oklahoma women will be looking for Doctors in neighboring States, thanks for the boost in their economy.
October 8th, 2009 at 3:03 pmI’m seeing comments about going to a neighboring state.
October 8th, 2009 at 3:42 pmWhich state would that be? Kansas? Arkansas? Texas?
That’s a pretty cavalier thing to say, and seems a lot easier said than done. Also, an undue burden on the woman/patient.
This type of information being collected and readily available to the public is not new. The CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR), available to ANYONE who wants to look it up, published a report a few years ago detailing state by state info on these same indicators. I have no doubt that state and county Health Departments continue to collect the same data, and that it continues to be available to anyone who wants to know. The question is, why does the state of Oklahoma fell compelled to publically strike fear into the hearts of women at this particular time and in this particular manner? And why the hell would they spend any money to duplicate this particular information?
October 8th, 2009 at 4:04 pmNot all Okies are right-wing crazies. I have a family of 4 adults and 1 grandson. The adults all voted for Obama along with 36(?) % of the state. I’ve been casting “throw-away” presidential votes for as long as I can remember except for 1968 whem I voted for Nixon (end the V-N war-remember?) That didn’t work out so well either. I don’t know much about abortion since I’ve never needed or wanted one but I do know that Kansas would not be where I’d look. Dr. Tiller was in Kansas before he was murdered by another crazy SOB. I do, however, remember the federal bldg in Okla City before Tim McVeigh decided to blow it up. I used to park there when I went downtown. He’s just another example of what could happen.
October 8th, 2009 at 4:20 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
The next to bills up for a vote in the OK legislature:
Proclaiming the earth flat, and reenactment of Jim Crowe.
October 8th, 2009 at 4:49 pmIf they were really serious about being good Catholics they’d publish the names of everyone who purchases a box of condoms…
October 8th, 2009 at 4:54 pmWait a minute. I think I’ve seen this “movie”. Isn’t this the one where they put a little yellow star on their clothes as they leave? This law underscores the need to fund education in our country. Oh wait, I forgot. We used that money to fund corporate and personal enrichment in wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. At the cost of innocent civilians and our sons and daughters fighting there. I decry the wars. I absolutely support our servicemen and servicewomen 100%. Come home safe all of you.
October 8th, 2009 at 6:15 pmBack to the point. This law shows what happens when people abuse power. We need to reaffirm seperation of church and state and it seems church/state in personal choice regarding medical procedures.
You miss the point folks. In Oklahoma the Church and State are the same for all practical purposes. I know, I live here.
October 8th, 2009 at 6:25 pmI guess people want to know how much murder is going on for scientific research.
October 8th, 2009 at 6:47 pm@JustMe, PLEASE tell me you are joking. Please. Persecuting and condemning anyone because of a personal decision is disgusting, and as such I am bewildered that anyone would support it… or that people like yourself can so easily display your ignorance by making hateful comments toward a group of people that is a lot closer to you than you think. People like you are the problem, not the people who get an abortion.
Sex is not just there for babies. Hello, contraception? Are we going to start harassing all the women who buy birth control into posting their information online as well? Ridiculous. Sex is part of any healthy romantic relationship. If the woman’s contraception fails, her decision to abort is hers and hers alone. You have no say in it, whether you approve or not, and the government should not have a say in it either. Sure, it’s easy to assume that everyone who gets an abortion is a “stupid girl who had unprotected sex” – little do you know, your boss may have had one, your friend may have had one. It is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS WHO HAD ONE AND WHY and it is NOT your decision.
This law is disgusting and those who condone it make my stomach churn. I sincerely hope this doesn’t get passed…
October 8th, 2009 at 7:54 pmThis is very much against the law. HIPPA protects Personal Health Information. PHI can only be released for medical reasons, and only rarely without specific concent, such as medical research when the information is totally deidentified, and not released to the public except as a grouping.
Hopefully somebody will slap a court order on this obvious assault on HIPPA privacy protection and bring the issue to court.
Put another way if this law stands, you may someday see your medical history bandied in public for any reason that any one can even remotely recognize as acceptable.
Another reason it is illegal is that laws may not be directed toward single group, they must apply to the population as a whole. EVen convicted serial murder’s medical records are protected by HIPPA. If this law stands HIPPA falls.
October 8th, 2009 at 8:24 pmI have lived in Oklahoma all my life and am convinced that it is the greatest state in the nation. However, this DISGUSTS me. I don’t even have the words to express how much so.
October 8th, 2009 at 8:26 pmI certainly hope the women of OK begin filing these immediately. Every liberal, moderate or left-leaning woman should do 5-10-15 of these. One approach that will work is to file so many of these that no one could keep them straight nor be able to separate out false from true filings.
October 8th, 2009 at 9:10 pmAs a married Catholic woman, Republican and 20-year resident of Oklahoma, even I am appalled at this piece of legislature. It is not only unconstitutional, but very discriminatory. Last time I checked, it took a woman AND a man to get knocked up.
Question is…will a woman not be allowed to receive an abortion if she does not fill out said questionnaire?
And, really, folks, are all the “Oklahomans are bible-thumping hypocrites” posts really necessary? Not all of us are close-minded, thanks.
October 8th, 2009 at 9:10 pmAbortion is a gift from God. God has realized that humans are too stupid to control their own fertility. So, She invented Abortion, a sacrement, and passed it to humans, who use it when needed. When is it needed? WHENEVER, FOLKS, WHENEVER.
Abortion is God’s gift to men, and we should NEVER under any circumstances look a gift in the mouth. Say “Thank YOU, GOD, for Abortion”
October 8th, 2009 at 9:14 pm@Momoz Maybe making them fill out a form isn’t right, but having an abortion isn’t right either. Like I said in my post Adoption is a better decision. No sex isn’t just for making babies, but if you aren’t ready for babies then us protection or don’t have sex at all. Your right protection doesn’t always work, but abortion isn’t the answer either. They are killing human beings. Do murderers get away with what they do? NO Why should these woman get away with it. Also like I said, in some cases the woman should be able to do it. But don’t do it just because you don’t want the baby because you aren’t ready for it. That just wrong and disgusting. This is my opinion, and you have yours. If your for people killing babies, then thats your decision.
October 8th, 2009 at 9:46 pmAmen 0JustMe0, just because it’s a right doesn’t make it right. All you people complaining about it violating a person’s privacy, would you want the world to know about your excruciating, horrible murder in order to prevent it from happening again? Complain all you want, your not the innocent blood being shed to make a selfish woman’s life easier… There is nothing right and justified about murdering an innocent baby, just because it’s legal is a very poor excuse. If it’s not a baby, you’re not pregnant. What about “Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness”? God please have mercy on this nation, we know not what we do.
October 8th, 2009 at 9:55 pmAbortion is legal. Deal with it.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:01 pmThere’s a lot of horrible things we all must deal with everyday. It’s a lot easier to deal with when you get the opportunity to live.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:12 pmThe fetus does not have Constitutional rights. The woman does.
Trust women, and there will be fewer abortions.
That’s all there is to it.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:20 pmMaybe we should give those little human souls the same constitutional rights we take for granted then? They are people after all. Will you argue that you were less of a person before your mother chose for the world to be blessed by you?
October 8th, 2009 at 10:36 pmKnock yourself out with the “Constitutional rights for the fetus,” mlschn2.
Yes, I would say I was less of a person before my mother gave birth to me. At that point, my mother’s life was more valuable to the world. But thanks for asking.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:51 pmSpeaking as a woman who can’t have kids: STFU. Just because I can’t keep a viable pregnancy doesn’t mean I believe all those who can HAVE to. I’m not in their situations, and to tell them anything is just asinine.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:28 pmAllYouNeedIs says:
October 8th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
Well said, AllYouNeedIs. (((hugs)))
October 8th, 2009 at 11:35 pm@Zooey: Yes abortion is legal, but is it ok for someone to go up and shoot someone them, killing them? NO The same thing is happening to those babies, they are getting murdered. That is not ok, that is not right.
@AllYouNeedIs: I’m sorry but I will not STFU! Some of the woman don’t even have a “situation” they just don’t want the baby. That’s not ok, and if you think it is, well then that’s your decision.
October 9th, 2009 at 12:14 amYes, it is MY decision. Or her decision. Until it’s your baby, it has no relevance to you.
October 9th, 2009 at 12:22 am0JustMe0 says:
@Zooey: Yes abortion is legal, but is it ok for someone to go up and shoot someone them, killing them? NO The same thing is happening to those babies, they are getting murdered. That is not ok, that is not right.
October 9th, 2009 at 12:14 am
Then I would recommend you not have an abortion. I’m okay with that.
October 9th, 2009 at 12:23 amI know it’s hard for the sentimental fetus-huggers to understand, but women are not strictly meant to be incubators. Nor is it a good idea to force us to carry out an unwanted pregnancy as “punishment” for having totally awesome sex.
You fetus worshipers don’t seem to realize that abortion has always existed — it didn’t start in 1973, and it won’t end. EVER.
If you achieve your wet dream of “ending abortion,” the only thing you will actually succeed in doing is driving abortion underground, creating the necessity of re-opening the horrific abortion wards.
Desperate women do desperate things, but all you can think about is the blessed blastocyst — who gives a flying f uck about the living, breathing woman?
Most certainly not you.
October 9th, 2009 at 12:41 amFirst off if you don’t live in Oklahoma you have NO
right to call it a horrible state. I live there. I work there. I’m raising a family there. And you know what? It’s better then alot of places I’ve been. I’ve been to 7 different countries and 26 of the states. I’ve lived on both sides of this country and there’s no place I’d rather be at this time.
Second, the women here aren’t that oppressed. To compare us to compare us to women in Arab countries is absurd.
Third, I’m for a woman’s right to choose and
I think this law is a complete waste of money,
time, & manpower.
Lastly believe it or not, not all republicans are bad. I’m one.
October 9th, 2009 at 1:01 amA hard-corp, wingnut state gives the go ahead for government take-over of health care. Where are the Teabaggers when you need them?
Oh! That’s right, most of them live there!
October 9th, 2009 at 2:41 amCombine this information with video surveillance of places known to perform abortions and what do you get?
Answer:
October 9th, 2009 at 5:06 amAn easy as hell method to find out exactly who of those entering the place got a procedure performed. Then along with that a simple harassment campaign using the person’s publicly obtained photo and publicly posted information. All done anonymously of course.
As much as I want to decry the obvious privacy intrusions here (that are probably unconstitutional), I’m too stuck by how the list reminds me of those forms you fill out to join an internet forum. How on earth are they going to enforce women telling the truth? I mean, honest truth here, I’m 92, make $2 billion a year, graduated with 3 PhDs, and have been pregnant 48 times.
October 9th, 2009 at 5:38 amThis is an outrage. Our government is out of control. I agree that everyone should move out of OK and let the government there collapse. Any medical information or personal information whether direct or implied or hints allowing derivation should be eliminated and further tax dollars are wasted. Sharing stats with the CDC in confidence is one thing, but publicly wasting tax dollars to do something that skates a thin line on privacy is ridiculous. Shut the government there down as an example to other states please…
October 9th, 2009 at 9:19 amI live much of my life in Oklahoma and earned my doctorate at the University of Oklahoma. I’ve also written on the history of the state, once among the most progressive in the nation.
Now it has fallen victim to narrow-minded, religious zealots who firmly believe that the bible is the source of the US Constitution and they can pick and chose what portions they will respect and which they will flout. Clearly they believe a mass of undifferentiated cells that might become a human being has more rights than an adult human female, and they are willing to use a form of on-line terrorism to achieve their goals. Despite their smiling faces, hymn-singing and claims to godliness, the backers of this law are little different from the Wahhabists, the mullahs, and the Taliban. They may choose to use the Internet now to pursue their goals, but give them time and they will find a way to use something much deadlier.
October 9th, 2009 at 10:56 amThe Patient Safety and Quality Improvement Act of 2005 (PSQIA) Patient Safety Rule says pretty much that the information they are claiming to publish in the above article can be used and shared as deemed necessary to provide the best medical care without exposing a patients identity.
PSQIA establishes a voluntary reporting system to enhance the data available to assess and resolve patient safety and health care quality issues. To encourage the reporting and analysis of medical errors, PSQIA provides Federal privilege and confidentiality protections for patient safety information called patient safety work product. Patient safety work product includes information collected and created during the reporting and analysis of patient safety events.
The confidentiality provisions will improve patient safety outcomes by creating an environment where providers may report and examine patient safety events without fear of increased liability risk. Greater reporting and analysis of patient safety events will yield increased data and better understanding of patient safety events.
OCR works in close collaboration with the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ) which has responsibility for listing patient safety organizations (PSOs), the external experts established by the Patient Safety Act to collect and analyze patient safety information.
This is pretty obvious that the information OK is trying to publish is not being published for medical purposes. I am a FL resident, however, if I were an OK resident I’d be asking my legislators are you solely against exposing the privacy of woman who have abortions or would you be willing to exploit any of your citizens.
How about suggesting these lists;
Members of OK govt that are closet gays
Men who cheat on their wives
Kids who wet their beds
People who had sought out medical attention for anal reconstruction
Woman who’ve had boob jobs
Everyone who has ever been treated for rape
The information they’d like to publish is medical record that is kept in a database for research and statistical purposes. Beyond that it is no ones business if I go to see my doctor to have a bug bite looked at or terminate an unwanted pregnancy.
Personally I’d like a list of those infected with HIV or AIDS to be sure I keep them out of my dating pool, additionally I’d like a list of everyone they’ve ever associated with but it just isn’t right or fair.
These women owe the state of OK nothing. They had a legal medical procedure done by a licensed medical professional. the state of OK runs a very big risk of woman seeking these procedures outside of a medical office and really doing harm to themselves.
We are the people. The people of OK should be contacting your local representatives to vocalize your public opinion.
October 9th, 2009 at 10:58 amFYI… everyone quoting HIPAA… Those are federally mandated laws and requirements that are specific to employers and Insurance providers.
Other laws are in place for health care and medical providers.
October 9th, 2009 at 11:17 amWhy can’t we just stone them for getting an abortion? With who we have in charge, lets just take this country and make it a little more Muslim shall we. If you want to do a part for your community just stay in your church, have a bake sale.
October 9th, 2009 at 1:49 pmI wonder how the people of Oklahoma (or any other state) would feel if they gathered & published the same information for people who purchased firearms?
How about for people who purchased alcohol?
How about for people who attended church?
Right-whiner double standards are most pernicious.
October 9th, 2009 at 1:51 pmThis is sick, very sick.
October 9th, 2009 at 1:53 pmIt invades women’s rights.
Abortion is not something, that even needs to be available for others to see.
That’s exploitation!
It is cruel.
#156 – daviddavidson says:
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“Why can’t we just stone them for getting an abortion?”
October 9th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Stoning someone to death for their sins is much more prominent in the Bible than in any other religious text. What you’re describing is much more of a Christian attitude than Muslim.
In a Mulsim country, they’d probably burn her at the stake. Sort of what many anti-American right-whiners claim they want to do the elected President of the US.
Makes one wonder why these same right-whiners never could bring themselves to criticize Pres. Bush when he was trashing the Constitution. Double-standards = right-whiners.
October 9th, 2009 at 1:55 pmThis is not fair to women.
Women do not create children without the help of men, and by not putting the Man’s name, it is very unfair.
This is truly sick.
It is a women’s right to have an abortion.
It is sick that hypocritical christian women would want this passed.
October 9th, 2009 at 1:59 pm#144 – 0JustMe0 says:
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“The same thing is happening to those babies, they are getting murdered. That is not ok, that is not right.”
October 9th, 2009 at 12:14 am
Most self-named “pro-lifers” care not one single whit about the life of the child after it leaves the womb. They don’t consider the life the child will live, they don’t care about the care the child will receive, they only care about the “baby” while it’s in the womb.
If these “pro-birthers” really gave more than a single thought about the child, they’d be advocating pre-natal/child healthcare, and healthcare in general. They don’t.
If these “pro-birthers” really gave more than a single thought about the child, they’d be donating to agencies that work for adoption. They don’t.
October 9th, 2009 at 2:03 pmA woman has the right to choose when she wants to have a baby.
A woman has the right to choose a greater life for her child, when she is mature enough to give it greater care.
This is sick, unfair, unjust and very cruel.
October 9th, 2009 at 2:04 pmIF you are PRO-LIFE, you are pro letting children bring babies into the world where they will suffer for the rest of their lives.
THIS LAW IS EXPLOITING A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE HER OWN DESTINY IN LIFE.
ITS SICK.
October 9th, 2009 at 2:08 pmWhat christian idiot group, is getting this passed?
What sick individuals would pass this law?
October 9th, 2009 at 2:10 pmThis is a way to get women abused.
This is a way to get teenage girls taunted and their lives ruined.
This is a way to bring women’s rights down.
October 9th, 2009 at 2:12 pmI’m proud to be from Oklahoma. We are a state that respects a persons right to live. Soon, this type of law will not even be an issue because abortions will be illegal. Women do not have the right to take that right away but do have the right to make good choices prior to giving life. Murder is not a right.
October 9th, 2009 at 3:04 pmMost self-named “pro-lifers” care not one single whit about the life of the child after it leaves the womb. They don’t consider the life the child will live, they don’t care about the care the child will receive, they only care about the “baby” while it’s in the womb.
If these “pro-birthers” really gave more than a single thought about the child, they’d be advocating pre-natal/child healthcare, and healthcare in general. They don’t.
If these “pro-birthers” really gave more than a single thought about the child, they’d be donating to agencies that work for adoption. They don’t.
October 9th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Name one!
October 9th, 2009 at 3:07 pmI wonder how the people of Oklahoma (or any other state) would feel if they gathered & published the same information for people who purchased firearms?
How about for people who purchased alcohol?
How about for people who attended church?
Right-whiner double standards are most pernicious.
October 9th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
I, and many others, would accept this and would not be affraid of it. It wouldn’t be a problem at all. The difference is, though, that the above mentioned acts and behaviors does not kill an innocent person who is intended to be a brother, sister, son, daughter, etc.
October 9th, 2009 at 3:10 pmI have a suggestion. In the very same spirit, let’s do the very same thing (could leave out the miscarriages) for any man who gets a Viagra or equivalent prescription….
October 9th, 2009 at 3:13 pmI have a suggestion. In the very same spirit, let’s do the very same thing (could leave out the miscarriages) for any man who gets a Viagra or equivalent prescription….
October 9th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Excellent idea. I dont’t know any men who would be affraid of this. PERIOD!
October 9th, 2009 at 3:16 pmMaybe now these crimes against humanity can take place in neighboring Kansas instead of Oklahoma. I would rather see this go away but until then, I would be happy to see it out of my state.
October 9th, 2009 at 3:21 pmOh, I see…. could be read as some sort of a guarantee…
Not!
October 9th, 2009 at 3:43 pmOh, I see…. could be read as some sort of a guarantee…
Not!
??? I’m confused. I just want to my country and my state to get back to humanity. I don’t understand about the guarantee comment.
October 9th, 2009 at 3:50 pmfrom the flip side…
1. Date of masturbation
October 9th, 2009 at 4:46 pm2. County in which spermicide was performed
3. Age of masturbator
4. Marital status of masturbator
(married, divorced, separated, widowed, or never married)
5. Race of masturbator
6. Years of education of masturbator
(specify highest year completed)
7. State or foreign country of residence of masturbator
8. Total number of previous pregnancies of the masturbator
Number of Masturbation sessions
Estimate of number of sperm killed
It would be highly inappropriate to list the race of the masterbater!
October 9th, 2009 at 4:52 pm@155 HIPAA covers more than just employers and insurance, any medical info is covered. I’ve been subject to working with HIPAA in both the retail and research settings and have to get re-certified every year. According to HIPAA your health information cannot be given out when it is linked with anything that could potentially link it back to you. Even in a research setting where we are not providing care we are still bound by it, because the data must originate from a healthcare provider.
October 9th, 2009 at 11:48 pmSo much for the Repugnicans being the “Party of Fiscal Responsibility”, huh? I’m sure there are much better uses for over a quarter of a million bucks a year than this mess. Meanwhile, I agree with a previous poster, the women who fill this form out should lie like hell.
It’s ironic. They wail, moan, cry and holler about a clump of cells, but, by God, once it is here, living, breathing, and so on, they could give a flip. That’s just always made me laugh, but not in a good way. I’ve not seen any of them putting their money where their mouths are, so to speak, and, either taking in a child through adopting them, or, donating time and money to orphanages taking in foster children.
If you don’t agree with abortion, fine, don’t have one, but, don’t judge a woman for her decision until you have walked in her shoes. If I had a dollar for every time I’ve said this I’d be a very rich woman, if men got pregnant, abortion would be a God-given right, and this wouldn’t even be an issue.
October 10th, 2009 at 7:18 amWell it should encourage people to get on birthcontrol and to not go have unprotected sex making it possible to get pregnant with kids they don’t want or don’t plan to have. Instead of saying how wrong it is for them to do this, go get on birthcontrol so the amount of abortions will go down and then they’ll have nothin to write about.
October 10th, 2009 at 1:23 pmIf parents would parent there kids and teach them right from wrong babies wouldn’t be having babies, at least get you kid on birthcontrol if you’re condoning them having sex and not teaching them its wrong to do before marriage. There are so many people that would love to have a baby and can’t. If you’re not ready be a parent you shouldn’t be doing what it takes to become one. People need to take responsibility for there actions and there are results to our actions.. Having sex could result in babies… Figure it out people! We know what makes babies and we know there are measures to prevent it. Abortion take away the rights of the baby and the father. I know there are tons of dead beat dads out there but there are a few good men who would have loved to have there kid vs some women kill him/her.
October 10th, 2009 at 1:34 pmAre you guys serious? This is the most ridiculous argument I have heard in a LONG time!!!! There is NO information that they are asking for that could possibly identify a woman to the abortion. Have you looked at the questions it asks? You have to answer half of those questions when you get a job or go into college for demographic purposes. Kids answer half those questions for SAT’s. Really, there are much bigger issues than if how many abortions someone had gets published without any other identifying information. Get a life and fight for the life of those unborn babies. Oh…and if women thought it was such a great idea to have an abortion to start with, why would you care to share those silly answers anyway? If I didn’t think what I was doing was wrong and murder, I would have no problem answering those questions. You tell me how after a 12 days of conception a baby has a heart beat and that’s not murder? Please make all the excuses you want to justify your immorality. People work so hard to save the dolphins but kill millions of babies a day because of their selfishness. Ever watch an abortion video where they video tape an abortion? The babies try to grab the instrument and squirm in discomfort. Yeah….but that’s not a life. A dolphin gets more rights than unborn babies. Shame on you. We have a Nation that works so hard to make excuses for their sins and choices in lifestyles that they are willing to sacrifice the most precious gifts.
October 10th, 2009 at 3:02 pmP.D. , Our rights end where someone else’s begin. That includes taking the life of an unborn baby. People have the legal right to have sex whenever and with whomever they want, but they do not have the right to kill someone because of their poor choices. Women’s rights? what about babies rights?
October 10th, 2009 at 3:37 pmWhy doesn’t Oklahoma publicly post the names of all the Oklahoman males who use Viagra?
Oh, wait, that would be an invasion of privacy.
As we observed over the eight torturous years of the Bush/Cheney administration, totalitarian-minded regimes always invade the privacy of their fellow citizens. The Bush/Cheney administration made a doormat of our U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, claiming that for us to be “safe” our founding principles had to be discarded, trampled on.
This assault on freedom continues in Oklahoma, with women being targeted, with their right to privacy being invaded, by people who’ve placed their religion over our Constitution, as happens in one religious dictatorship after another around the world (if they even had a Constitution like ours to begin with).
I have a hard time believing that Jesus Christ was (or would ever be) a privacy-invading conservative religious fundamentalist.
October 10th, 2009 at 11:15 pmThere is a simple answer to this stupidity. Lie. Just Lie when answering these ridiculous questions.
October 11th, 2009 at 2:25 amAll hail God and Jesus — the busiest abortionists in the Universe!!!
October 11th, 2009 at 1:00 pm@gotmyopinions it’s apparent that you do not have children yourself or you would know that no matter how much you drill into a child’s head that sex before marriage is wrong and drugs are wrong they’re going to do what they want to anyway. There is no stopping it. You cannot be there all of the time watching over them making sure that they make the right decisions, you can’t.
@calvaresed fetus’ do not have rights over a grown woman.. bottom line. Whether you like it or not.
@RhondaLight I agree completely. “They wail, moan, cry and holler about a clump of cells, but, by God, once it is here, living, breathing, and so on, they could give a flip. I’ve not seen any of them putting their money where their mouths are, so to speak, and, either taking in a child through adopting them, or, donating time and money to orphanages taking in foster children.
If you don’t agree with abortion, fine, don’t have one, but, don’t judge a woman for her decision until you have walked in her shoes.” I couldn’t have said it better myself, that’s exactly it..!
October 11th, 2009 at 3:17 pmFather, please forgive them as they know not what they say.
October 12th, 2009 at 2:52 pmklak would like to take out God, just like the anti-choice crowd took out Dr Tiller.
He/She’s just too askeert to admit it.
October 12th, 2009 at 7:01 pmDemocrat soldier said:
First of all, I agree that this law is absurd and wrong-headed.
I get frustrated when people assume that all people who are prolife are right-wing crazies who do not care about women or children after they are born. I am a pro-life feminist Catholic Democrat. I am prolife, but I am just as concerned about social justice issues — including ensuring that women and children receive needed services and supports. I believe that many women would choose to give birth (and either raise the baby or place for adoption) if they had their needs met — if they had access to health care, if they had access to child care, if they had access to quality employment, etc. I certainly do care what happens to children once they are born. Our country does a terrible job supporting women and children. I see that as the 1st place to start. It is a false assumption to lump all pro-lifers into a group with people who harass women, who commit violence to prove their point, or who are uneducated and backward. It’s just that those people stand out, so that’s the image that sticks in people’s minds.
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October 15th, 2009 at 4:33 am