Rove: ‘People Would Go Nuts’ If Bush Had Campaigned Against NBC, New York Times
Rove: ‘People Would Go Nuts’ If Bush Had Campaigned Against NBC, New York Times
Last weekend, top White House officials escalated its campaign to distance Fox News from the ethical standards of journalism. “It’s not really a news organization,” senior adviser David Axelrod said. Yesterday during the White House press gaggle, ABC’s Jake Tapper came to Fox’s defense, asking, “Why is that appropriate for the White House to say?” “You and I should watch sometime around 9 o’clock tonight. Or 5 o’clock this afternoon,” press secretary Robert Gibbs said, referring to Fox programs hosted by Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck.
Last night, Fox host Greta Van Susteren seemed pleased that Gibbs narrowed down the criticism. “I’m grateful that now they’ve at least refined it to two hours,” she said. But former top Bush adviser Karl Rove was incensed, complaining that “people would go nuts” if President Bush attacked NBC or the New York Times:
ROVE: I mean, imagine what would have happened if President Bush had said, “You know what, I’m not going to — I’m going to call NBC not a news organization because, well, MSNBC has some ugly left- wing opinion programming”? I mean, people would go nuts.
What would happen if somebody said, “You know what, the people who are working for The New York Times are not journalists because on the opinion page of The New York Times there are very liberal journalists and very liberal editorials?” I mean, people would be up in arms.
Watch it:
Rove must have a short memory. The Bush administration’s war with the New York Times started even before Bush assumed office. As a candidate, Bush called a Times reporter “a major league asshole,” and never apologized. In fact, President Bush never gave the New York Times a single interview throughout his presidency. (Update: Bush gave the New York Times interviews in 2001, 2004, and 2005.)
The Bush White House’s war with NBC News is more well known. In May 2008, then-White House counselor Ed Gillespie publicly sent a scathing letter to NBC News President Steve Capus, accusing them of deceptive editing and blurring the lines between “news” and “opinion.” Soon after, then-White House press secretary Dana Perino expounded upon the campaign against NBC from the White House podium:
PERINO: The reason that we sent the letter yesterday is because we had gotten fed up with the way that the President’s policies are being mischaracterized, or the situations on the ground weren’t being accurately reflected in the reporting. We had complained before. And it just reached a boiling point.
And indeed, Fox News did “go nuts”…in support of the White House.
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October 21st, 2009 at 12:19 pmJake Tapper belongs on Fox News. He doesn’t help the credibility of ABC one bit.
October 21st, 2009 at 12:19 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
“You and I should watch sometime around 9 o’clock tonight. Or 5 o’clock this afternoon,” press secretary Robert Gibbs said, referring to Fox programs hosted by Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck.
– - Gibbs hurts his argument. Beck, Hannity, O’Reilly – - these are all opiniontainment, not news. MSNBC does the same thing with Keith and Rachel, especially Keith who never has a dissenter on his show. Can we distinguish news reporting from skewed opinion? I know I can, but many viewers, especially Fox ones, can’t. And under the First Amendment, speech doesn’t have to be enlightening, sane or coincide with your point of view. It’s just free.
October 21st, 2009 at 12:22 pmKarl Rove calling Robert Gibbs a bully, priceless.
October 21st, 2009 at 12:22 pmYeah, GWB knew that, didn’t he, StormPutz?
October 21st, 2009 at 12:22 pmBush’s brain needs to watch “Bush’s Brain” to refresh his memory.
October 21st, 2009 at 12:23 pmThat explains why terrorist hick conservatives have been whining about the so-called librul bias in the media for the last 40 years. Thanks for explain your perverse anti-American “logic”.
October 21st, 2009 at 12:24 pmWhy is Rove not in prison for corrupting the DoJ?
October 21st, 2009 at 12:25 pmKarley Rove must be stumping around for a prestigious position on faux news, he just can’t keep his sh!tty, lying piehole shut… perfect faux news material.
October 21st, 2009 at 12:25 pmKarl who?
October 21st, 2009 at 12:26 pmDick head, that’s not even the issue, and you know it:
“This government does not torture people.”
Still waiting for the other shoe to fall on this little item of interest.
October 21st, 2009 at 12:27 pmRove, Fox News along with many other Republicans are still rewriting history and Bush’s legacy. The only people who care about their versions are the people who watch Fox News.
October 21st, 2009 at 12:27 pmThe fact that KKKarl Rove appears on Faux on a daily basis is proof that Faux is the most extreme and radically biased propaganda outlet in history.
October 21st, 2009 at 12:28 pmThe most dangerous thing about Fox News is when elected officials believe the lies they tell. I believe if Bush and Cheney had watched other news programs they would have realized how unhappy the country was with them and maybe changed their ways.
October 21st, 2009 at 12:28 pmThe evil Queen Karlotta should know that people did go nuts, and they voted overwhelmingly against the repiggies.
I realize that all that blather and nonsense is being prattled on FoxNews, but Rove really should try to contain his hubris outside his foul habitat.
October 21st, 2009 at 12:30 pmROVE: I mean, imagine what would have happened if President Bush had said, “You know what, I’m not going to — I’m going to call NBC not a news organization because, well, MSNBC has some ugly left- wing opinion programming”? I mean, people would go nuts.
Yes, I agree. For example, Rep. Michelle Bachmann.
October 21st, 2009 at 12:32 pmemails Karl. Where are the missing emails?
October 21st, 2009 at 12:33 pmYeah Turd Blossom , as if FAUX New(t) Channel isn’t responsible for promoting , encouraging and egging-on the moronic anti-Obama crowd known as the “tea-baggers”…………?
When has either the NYTimes and/or NBC news ever been remotely associated with an anti-American group like that ?
October 21st, 2009 at 12:35 pm“Rove must have a short memory”
October 21st, 2009 at 12:35 pmShould read “Rove has a twisted, sick, selective, disjointed
and preposterous memory.”
Rove must have a short memory.
“And an even tinier unit” …..Jeff Gannon ………..
October 21st, 2009 at 12:37 pmJake Tapper is exhibit A on what’s has happened to our mainstream media.
Remember when Tapper was the fiery editor of Salon and he railed against the stolen election in 2000? Right. Most people don’t because shortly after that, ABC hired him and he’s been making that big network money ever since. Strangely, he seems to have changed. Is it the money? Is it the corporate benefits? Is it his newly found closeness to those in power?
I think it’s a combination of all these things. Our mainstream corporate news talkers and opinion makers are all millionaires. The corporations that hire them have made them rich. As Bob Somerby continuously points out, it’s dangerous to have a bunch of millionaires supposedly speaking to and for the people in what is supposed to be a middle class democracy. It doesn’t really work. Jake Tapper’s interests are no longer anywhere close to being in line with normal American citizens. They co-opted him just like they have scores of other “journalists.”
October 21st, 2009 at 12:37 pmIs Karl serious? These guys are rewritting history! EVERYONE knows that Faux News catered to Repugs AND the Bush Administration. And the Repugs DID attack journalists and news organizations that they deemed ‘Biased’. Unfrigging real!
October 21st, 2009 at 12:39 pmNEWSFLASH:
Anyone watching this tripe on Faux has already “gone nuts”.
2012: Is it the end?
October 21st, 2009 at 12:41 pmAmazing how the host keeps reeling the guest back into the wilderness of absolute, pure dumb-shitted-ness.
Karl Rove? Didn’t he go to prison for treason…? Oh that’s right, others went in his place because the Bush Crime Family defended him with executive privilege. Karl is his usual lying piece of sh*t self.
October 21st, 2009 at 12:42 pmDNFP@24, Why would anyone who watches Faux News be afraid of the ‘End’? Aren’t they all like super Christians or something? They are constantly going on how they are ‘Saved’ and so pious, you would think they would be glad the ‘Rapture’ is coming!
October 21st, 2009 at 12:46 pmAm I the only one that remembers Bush relegating the unfriendly reporters to the back of the plane ?
And that the WH giving Faus all sorts of exclusives ?
October 21st, 2009 at 12:46 pmThen he must feel right at home on a lying piece of sh*t cable channel.
October 21st, 2009 at 12:47 pm24. DNFP – I see heads exploding as 2012 is according to the Mayan calendar and the USA is a christian nation.
October 21st, 2009 at 12:47 pmDid anyone catch ‘Morning Joe’ this morning? Joe went on and on about this Faux News crap. In fact, he couldn’t shut up about it. THEN good ole Joe brought up ACORN. Do you think he is angling for a job on Faux?
October 21st, 2009 at 12:50 pmBush called one of the NY Times reporters a “major league *sshole” into an open mic.
Guess Karl “forgot”.
Conveniently.
October 21st, 2009 at 12:50 pmThe best way to stop criticism is to discredit its source.
Actually, that would be the worst way to do it. The best way to stop criticism would be to refute what the person said, point by point, and show that it is either based on things that are not true, or that it is based on faulty logic.
On the other hand, if the criticism is valid, then the best response is to correct what is being done wrong. Attacking the person making the criticism is cowardly, and it also makes people think the criticism is perfectly valid. If you can’t refute what they say and have to resort to attacking the person making the claim, then you have no defense against the criticism.
How sad for you if you really believe that the best way to stop criticism is to discredit the source.
October 21st, 2009 at 12:50 pmSorry for my stupidity at #31.
TP already got it.
Of course.
DOH!
October 21st, 2009 at 12:51 pmP.D. says:
The “ad” during the online clip is for Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints, or some dribble.
Also heard a Mayan priest/historian on NPR(?) saying the end of the Mayan calender has as much to do with the “end of times” as your average 2009 desk calender does when it “expires” on January 1, 2010.
Feel the droooool…
October 21st, 2009 at 12:53 pmSWBob says:
Karl who?
___________
Short, chunky, balding white dude. Sweats a lot.
Goes by nickname of “Turdblossom”.
Likes to associate with known criminals….
October 21st, 2009 at 12:55 pmPlease help Jake out by going to ABC and explaining it to him:
http://abcnews.go.com/Site/page?id=3052660
My submission:
Jake Tapper seems to have a hard time understanding the difference between Fox News and legitimate news organizations as witnessed by his questions to Press Secretary Gibbs yesterday. Please share this with him to help him understand the differences:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/200910210003
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Wayne: “How sad for you if you really believe that the best way to stop criticism is to discredit the source.”
Come on, Wayne. We’re talking about a conservative here. That’s the way they roll. Have we already forgotten the great Dan Rather, pulled down by one of Karl Rove’s dirty tricks with the help of the media? Talk about attacking the messenger. When you don’t really have facts on your side, it’s one of the only methods that can work. Easy for you to talk – you’re a liberal with facts on your side.
October 21st, 2009 at 12:57 pmBasically Bush/Cheney did campaign against the MSM thru fox, Karl.
October 21st, 2009 at 12:59 pmKarl had the same job at the Bush Crime Family that Roger Ailes had in the Daddy Bush administration. Two lying pieces of sh*t running a fraud network spinning facts into lies.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:00 pmProving there’s nothing Karl Rove can say that won’t get picked up by the Republican leadership, today Sen. Lamar Alexander of Tennessee is supposed to devote a floor speech to Obama’s supposed “enemies list”:
http://sobeale.blogspot.com/2009/10/lamar-alexander-listing-to-right.html
October 21st, 2009 at 1:01 pmThis from the man who engineered the permanent Republican majority.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:04 pmThe best way to stop criticism is to discredit its source.
herman goering
October 21st, 2009 at 1:06 pmO/T but…
The Scarlet Letter anti-abortion law in Oklahoma (you know, the one that puts personal information from women who have abortions on the web for all to see) was blocked by a district court.
Even in Oklahoma, where Tom Coburn is the SANER of the two senators, justice occasionally prevails.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:06 pmThanks for your CONCERN, b-cup…
In other news… water is STILL wet!!!
October 21st, 2009 at 1:06 pmFrom Ben’s post: Media Matters’ Eric Boehlert explains to Tapper how Fox News is different from ABC News.
Dude, you can ’splain it all you want, but it’s just gonna bounce off Jake’s head. He doesn’t want to know. He wants someone to throw him some more red meat. He wants to smell blood.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:07 pmMy question is why Rove even has a forum these days. The answer is the fact that 85% of our MSM is owned and controlled by conservatives. If that was not the case Rove, Liz Cheney, Meg McCain and others of no import would not have the forums they have today.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:07 pmbackup sez: doing the right thing might be a mistake.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:07 pmRove should recuse himself from this issue being as he profits from it as a political hack and not a newsman.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:07 pmPerry logan says:
This from the man who engineered the permanent Republican
majorityminority.There… fixed it for you…
It’s “Teh math”, Karl… “Teh Math”….
October 21st, 2009 at 1:08 pmbackup: “Publicly attacking Fox will only increase it’s ratings and give credence to the idea that the administration is trying to control the press.”
Republicans have been attacking the New York Times for decades. Has that had the effect of increasing its circulation? Conservatives have been attacking the media for decades – has that led to an increase in the media’s “ratings?”
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why did you capitalize goering?
October 21st, 2009 at 1:11 pmP.D. says:
Did anyone catch ‘Morning Joe’ this morning? Joe went on and on about this Faux News crap.
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That show is worthless. Joe was being fired back in the day and when Imus made a fool of himself, it gave Joe the right wing hack a shot at this time slot. He is as worthless ass FAUX. I may catch some of it if he on on break or vacation. Did Joe ever explain the death of the intern or talk about his beginning as an attorney defending a murderer of an abortion doctor? That is how he got his start. He is a wingnut and belongs on FAUX.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:13 pmbackup: “NinerFan. The Times is losing readers because of the proliferation of other more convenient media: Internet and television.”
Yes, I know, but your argument was that criticizing FOX adds to its ratings. If that were true, wouldn’t the constant criticism of the NYT over the years by conservatives have led to an increase or at least mitigated the loss from those other areas? I’m just wondering why you people always think criticism helps conservative news outlets but not so-called liberal ones.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:15 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Publicly attacking Fox will only increase it’s ratings and give credence to the idea that the administration is trying to control the press.
Get your fear meme re-calibrated. Stating an organization that went to court to get itself cleared of the problem of presenting news because they are expressing opinion, is not attacking.
It’s pointing out an obvious and overlooked fact.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:16 pmbackup: “Publicly attacking Fox will only increase it’s ratings and give credence to the idea that the administration is trying to control the press.”
Did the Bush administration’s public attack on MSNBC increase MSNBC’s ratings? Or, does it only work one way in your mind.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:17 pm@ 3. STORM says: The best way to stop criticism is to discredit its source. October 21st, 2009 at 12:21 pm
That’s too fracking lame to be useful, sturmdrooper. Farx Noise has been discredited time and time again, as has virtually every other Rupert Murdock outlet and he just keeps on feeding dreck to gullible fools. People have piled fact upon fact upon fact which demonstrate that Farx is a pack of lying mediawhores and they just keep feeding dreck…
They’re a business. They make money. So they keep doing what makes them money. Facts and the truth are boring and hard but lies can be sensational as all hell and easy and that sells.
Of course, Rupert has a new project. He’s going to create and elect the next American President; Sarah Palin 2012 – Pullin’ the Plug on America.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:17 pmBush&Co manipulated the news, used them to plant false stories, then used the media’s reputation to advance the lies.
Fox was ready willing and able to be at their beck and call, but when Bush&Co needed more than a known ally, they often founds willing to come to their aid throughout the media – but woe be tide any of the media who dared to ask a question, infer a criticism, or otherwise not cheerlead for them and the wrath of the White House, Rove, the RNC and their toadies would come down upon them.
The White House despised NBC, MSNBC and on occasion, any one else who disagreed with them, and they made that known at every opportunity.
This is another case of being good at dishing it out, but not being able to take it.
As for Jake Tapper, he is a useless Republican toady, and a poor representative of honest journalism. It is a rare occasion when he doesn’d display his bias. He is so into himself — he takes criticism of the media (any one of them) as a personal insult. To him I say, if the shoe fits, wear it.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:19 pmHow did you get that from my post? Dishonest much?
Stop twisting peoples words to make a non-point.
“the best” and “anyone” are not the same.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:21 pmGreat point hoodathunk. FOX did go to court. Put this into the matter is moot catagory.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:22 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Jake Tapper is the biggest sellout the media has produced in at least a decade. Again, the a-hole used to be the editor of Salon for cryin out loud. Must be the money.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:22 pmFacetious
Obtusive
Xenophobes
Seriously, Bellow call himself a culture warrior. If hes out hunting witches how, in any possible way, does that make him fair or balanced? FFS, hes going around sticking his tubesocks on other people and then attacking them for being his ventriliquist dummy.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:24 pmI am amused by the critics (both liberal and conservative) of the Obama administration for calling out Fox news for the sham that they are.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:24 pmThere is something to be said for not giving further publicity to a liar, but when the lies and defamation is reaching a critical point and public opinion is being manipulated by Macchiavellian methods, it would be irresponsible to let it continue.
plausible fallacy alert. If he attacked all media as Nixon did then you could draw that conclusion.
Since he is just attacking one organization, one that has sued for the right to lie and use it and everyone, even thier regulars, know it, he is just pointing out the obvious.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:26 pmLooks like the White House is only pointing out what Fox has already fought for.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:26 pmI think he’s saying that STORM at #3 was quoting Goering.
STORM says:
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The best way to stop criticism is to discredit its source.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:27 pmExplain yourself. You’re the plausible fallacy guy.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:27 pmAre we to believe that Karl Rove has standing to comment on this issue in light of his likely being up to his neck in the vendetta against MSNBC confessed to by Dana Perrino?
This imbecile has to believe that everyone’s memory of him is erased as soon as he expectorates the Simpsonian, “It wasn’t me!”
To his detriment, we remember; and his action has as its best analogy a two year old covering his own eyes and saying, “You can’t see me!” He believes himself to be invisible in his blindness.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:28 pmOp-ed crowing craniums such as Beck are not the press, they dont do news as in reporting stories from a neutral standpoint.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:30 pmNinerFan says:
backup can’t remember his train of thought for 5 minutes but he thinks the Obama administration needs his advice. backup might be better than the average troll but that doesn’t say much.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:30 pmI don’t know Brit Hume gives him a run for his money.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:31 pmbackup says:
Fox will live or die by it’s own credibility. People will make up their own minds.
Publicly attacking Fox will only increase it’s ratings and give credence to the idea that the administration is trying to control the press.
Both points are doubtful. Fox has a specific demographic for their broadcasts. The only increase in viewership is in the same demographic, which are people who are rural, live in the South and are hard core right. Fox is not gaining new viewership because they are persuading people, but from people that already hold the same views. They are the perfect whipping boy for the White House along with Rush, Beck and Hannity. They represent the state of the Republican party–just say No. Do conservatives really want to continue to cultivate that image? It is not going to win any elections.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:31 pmThanks for your concern. Clearly the White House isn’t concerned about giving “credence” to a propaganda outlet. Thanks for playing.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:32 pmRove fails to remember when the Bush Justice Department overturned a decision by the voters in a small town to have nonpartisan elections because they said that black people can’t think for themselves and that they wouldn’t know who to vote for if they didn’t know who was a democrat.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/20/justice-dept-blocks-ncs-nonpartisan-vote/
That did happen under Bush, right?
October 21st, 2009 at 1:32 pmbackup, I will give you a chance to explain yourself on 37.
Never mind, I don’t have 4 hours for nonesense.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:33 pmThink it ever will?
October 21st, 2009 at 1:35 pmhttp://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=99269
Obama: US does not torture
From Alexs link:
October 21st, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Alejandro, poor baby, did your republicans run without party affiliation hoping no one would make the connection that they were republicans….hoping and praying?
If republicans were honest they would embrace their party affiliation. But they’re not.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:36 pmShayne. Thanks. That makes sense.
You have to admit that may have been the point that Storm was trying to make.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:37 pmIn 2000 while all the networks called the election for Al Gore, Fox called it for Bush and that was the beginning of the conspiracy to install him against the wishes of the people. Now that we have a president who won a clear majority Fox has been creating news with their organization of teabaggers and inciting violence against him with their blatant lies and propaganda. Fox has had free reign since its inception and now it threatens to weaken the foundation of our political system. Enough is enough.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:37 pmRemember when it was a bragging point that Cheney made sure that FOX was tuned in on all of his hotel television sets?
October 21st, 2009 at 1:38 pmbackup, if a progressive does the same thing somebody on Fox news would accuse him of worshipping Goering or Chairman Mao as the case may be. You reap what you sow.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:38 pmYou seem confused. We are talking about rove.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:39 pmbackup says:
I think he’s saying that STORM at #3 was quoting Goering.
Shayne. Thanks. That makes sense.
You have to admit that may have been the point that Storm was trying to make.
That republicans have been trying to discredit the “liberal media” for nearly a half century or more? Yep. We know what. What’s your excuse – fascist?
October 21st, 2009 at 1:40 pmCmon Karl, everyone knows fox is a political arm of the GOP, they HIRED you!
October 21st, 2009 at 1:41 pmAlejandro says:
Rove fails to remember when the Bush Justice Department overturned a decision by the voters in a small town to have nonpartisan elections because they said that black people can’t think for themselves and that they wouldn’t know who to vote for if they didn’t know who was a democrat.
You mean where republicans were so ashamed they’d have to pretend they weren’t Republicans to get elected? Yeah, that old “scam” is tiresome among you fascists…
October 21st, 2009 at 1:42 pmI want to thank alajandro for pointing out how dishonest the republicans have become.
Why would anyone run without party affiliation? Because if people know you are a republican, they won’t vote for you.
That is why they do it.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:43 pmFred says:
Alejandro, poor baby, did your republicans run without party affiliation hoping no one would make the connection that they were republicans….hoping and praying?
Isn’t that funny? LOL! The “Republicans” are whining that they have to tell voters who they are! LOL!
Fred says:
If republicans were honest they would embrace their party affiliation. But they’re not.
Exactly! That’s why they have to lie about their party and are upset that Democrats are honest about theirs! LOL!
October 21st, 2009 at 1:44 pmFred. Fair enough.
If we are critical of Rove or Bush for attempting to discredit The Times or NBC, we should acknowledge that the Obama administration is pursuing the same tact:
http://thisweekwithbarackobama.blogspot.com/2009/10/discrediting-fox-news-continues-david.html
If, however, you believe that Bush was right to deny the Times and criticize NBC, it’s reasonable to support the current position of the Obama administration.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:46 pmAfter Rep. Grayson stood up and said that the Republican plan for health care was they want you to die Pat Buchanan said that Grayson would only serve one term, that his career was over. Well now everybody that was running against him has backed out of the race. I don’t think we’ll be taking any advice from concerned cancervatives any time soon.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:46 pmIt’s very discouraging the way pathological traits have been normalized in American society in the millennium. It’s getting increasingly creepy and disturbing to me, anyway. I sense that it’s all in the service of class war. The elite business/finance/military-industrial/media moguls of the neocon, neoliberal bent are escalating their war on the rest of us. The push to make the U.S. a banana republic did not end with Bush.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:47 pmb-cup just snapped her spine in two from that latest post.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:50 pmbackup says:
Fred. Fair enough.
If we are critical of Rove or Bush for attempting to discredit The Times or NBC, we should acknowledge that the Obama administration is pursuing the same tact:
This fallacy is based on the assumption that FoxNews is actually a news outlet and directly comparable to the NYT or NBC. What the administration has been trying to explain to people like you is that FoxNews is a propaganda outlet of the Right.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:51 pmbackup is the little kid complaining because his sister got a bigger cookie. Fox is not the same as the New York Times but obviously you don’t understand that.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:52 pmNo we don’t. bush was trying to stop the truth from getting out, Obama is trying to stop they lie from getting out.
The only way you can argue this is if Obama was treating all media this way as Nixon did. He is not. He is on solid ground calling faux a bunch of liars.
Your failure to see this distinction is your own personal flaw. Stop trying to inflict it on others.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:52 pmIt’s cute the way the trolls vote us down and think we care about that -1.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:53 pmbackup, are you denying that Fox went to court defending they don’t have the be truthful? Can you name any “news” organization that went to court so they can lie?
Fox can’t have it both ways. Either they are an opinion station that pushes right wing propaganda, or they are a news station reporting the news.
The whitehouse just called them out on it. Tapper can muck fud for all I care. The fact remains that Fox is not credible and they went to court to defend they are uncredible.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:54 pmgummitch. I understand what you are saying, but you understand the inherent subjectivity in who’s deciding what’s news?
October 21st, 2009 at 1:54 pmFrom the link:
What does that mean? Does she mean that black people can’t figure out for whom to vote?
October 21st, 2009 at 1:55 pmhellinabucket. you frame that lawsuit as fighting for the right to lie, but it seemed more to me that Fox lawyers were using the fact that no existing law governed the offense to get out of paying a settlement.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:57 pmIf I’m not mistaken, I believe Jeb Bush called Fox and told them to pay no attention to the election results. Bush was going to take Florida.
October 21st, 2009 at 1:58 pmAlejandro, are you completely unable to stay on topic?
October 21st, 2009 at 1:59 pmLet me type this real slow so you will be able to grasp it.
democrats will do more for working class Americans and minorities by accident than republicans will do for them on purpose.
Black people are smart enough to understand this truth.
The fact that you want to make an issue of it reveals your blackhearted and bigoted agenda.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:00 pmhellinabucket. Fox is not the only network that grays the lines.
gummitch makes the legitimate point that MSNBC isn’t on balance left leaning.
But, MSNBC does have Olbermann, which is arguably the left’s partisan equivalent of Hannity.
Just because MSNBC has Olbermann or Maddow; doesn’t mean that their other news shows should be dismissed as partisan.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:00 pmbackup, you do realize that Charles Krauthammer has been bragging about Fox creating an “alternative reality” for you. Fox News itself has an inherent subjectivity.
They are lying to you. They brag about it and laugh at you.
Have you no self-respect?
October 21st, 2009 at 2:02 pmWhat Rove or Perino have to say couldn’t be any less relevant now.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:03 pmbackup, anybody who voted for Obama knows what Fox is. This site isn’t for people like you who don’t understand. If I wanted to be constantly pestered by people who are unable to comprehend what’s going on I run a daycare center.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:04 pmNo, try to understand. Hannity is lying. Therein lies the difference.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:04 pmbackup says:
What the administration has been trying to explain to people like you is that FoxNews is a propaganda outlet of the Right.
gummitch. I understand what you are saying, but you understand the inherent subjectivity in who’s deciding what’s news?
If you don’t recognize outright propaganda when you see it, there’s nothing I can do to explain it to you. Spend some time reading Media Matters for countless examples, complete with transcripts and recordings.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:05 pmOlbermann doesn’t tell lies, Hannity does. Why don’t you go play in traffic.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:06 pmbackup,
spin that!
October 21st, 2009 at 2:06 pmYawn, Karl “Irrelevant” Rove said something. I guess it gave some people some butthurt. Let’s discuss the butthurt. Fox News is a propaganda organization not too dissimilar to CNN or MSNBC. They say things that some politicians like and some things that other politicians dislike. Then the politicians talk about the propaganda organizations in a poor light. The politicians pretend to feel the butthurt and get publicity out of it. The propaganda organization pretends to feel the butthurt and their ratings go up. You watch and you pay attention, waiting with baited breath for the next round of namecalling and high school gossip. Who will the popular kids be this year?
October 21st, 2009 at 2:07 pmThe Inquirer can try to create an alternate reality for me. If I were to read the Inquirer, it doesn’t mean that I will adopt that reality.
In a free society, the people can access any and all information and process it to make their own judgements.
Being denied access to information inhibits that process.
If Fox says ridiculous things, I can make assessments of the content myself. I do not need someone to makes those determinations for me.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:07 pm2/3 of the town is black. The voters decided they wanted nonpartisan elections.
The DOJ said that what the voters wanted doesn’t matter.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:09 pmdistinction: faux calls it news. the others do not.
esad backup.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:09 pmLet me get this straight. You understand that Fox News creats an “alternate reality”. Yet, you watch it without any intention of adopting that alternate reality. You consider yourself immune to the propaganda in which you immerse yourself.
You are one strange person.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:11 pmwho’s being denied? Did Obama close down faux? No.
You should learn to knit or something.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:11 pmYou may agree with Olbermann, but whether he is telling the truth is subjective. Reasonable people disagree:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkYmS5ylCrk
October 21st, 2009 at 2:11 pmHe doesn’t have to spin it. He will just ignore the fact that Fox News went to court and won the right to lie.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:13 pmbackup, Fox is making those determinations for you. They will lie and then push the lie. Saying it big enough and long enough. That’s right out of the Nazi handbook. Are you defending Fox as a “Fair and Balanced” news organization? Or do you admit that they overtly push falsehoods with an ideological bend.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:14 pmWho decided?
from your link:
There was no vote on this. This was decided for the town by republican politicians. You got nothing but sour grapes.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:16 pmbackup says:
But, MSNBC does have Olbermann, which is arguably the left’s partisan equivalent of Hannity.
Just because MSNBC has Olbermann or Maddow; doesn’t mean that their other news shows should be dismissed as partisan.
You have answered your own point with the second statement. Fox News is actively promoting tea parties, misrepresenting facts and using the Republican talking points in reporting the news. MSNBC and their commentators admit they have a political viewpoint. Fox commentators insist they are journalists that are fair and balanced.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:19 pmThe only time these propaganda addled fools don’t believe Fox News is when they admit that they lie.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:19 pmHere’s the original letter:
http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting/sec_5/pdfs/l_081709.pdf
It’s ridiculous.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:19 pmFrom the article:
October 21st, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Dean distances himself and the democratic party from the rhetoric. So? You lie when you said Dean called him a liar. He did not. He just condemned the nazi talk. That’s all.
Backup, I’m done with your crap for today. Get real or get gone.
I’m sick of your troll behavior these days.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:20 pmSo, there was no vote and the letter shows exactly why it was wrong. You are just making a stronger case against yourself the more you carry on.
It’s ridiculous because it was blatant racism.
Show us where the community voted on this. You won’t be able to because the only politicians involved in your article are republicans, the ones who started the charade to begin with and are now pissed because their illegal advantage has been removed. Get over it.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:24 pmUsing the Bush/ Clymer incident is not only disingenuous, but flat-out lazy journalism (par for the course with TP and this mr Armbruster).
Then-Governor Bush’s remarks, despite being spot-on, were off-the record caught by a live microphone, just like president Obama’s Kanye West remarks last month.
Here-here to Tapper (and Helen Thomas before him) holding Gibbs’ feet to the fire calling Gibbs and Obama out for their phoniness (pre-arranged question/answers at the White House briefings)and their paranoia (their insatiable Fox News obsession).
Who will be the first doofus to try to ram Jeff gannon down my throoat? My guess would be someone quick-tempered and irrational, yet dumb as the day is long. My guess is Eugene Debs.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:25 pmNettles
October 21st, 2009 at 2:28 pmEugene is your only hope of engaging here. No one else will even read your prattle.
Comparing a college educated Olbermann to a college dropout Hannity is laughable.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:30 pmOops! You Freudian slip is showing.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:30 pmNettles 2, Fox news isn’t “fair and balanced” and they went to court so they could continue to lie. Accept that or deny that but it’s still the truth.
As for you wanting Jeff Gannon rammed down your throat all I can say is to each his own.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:31 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Examples of wingnut distortion:
CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC – A helicopter carrying soldiers crashed and there were no survivors.
FAUX – A helicopter carrying soldiers crashed and there were no survivors – some say it was Obama’s fault.
That is the difference. They twist the news to favor the party they are a wing of.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:35 pmSee Fred. I told you he would just ignore Fox’s legal battle to win the right to lie.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:35 pmI understand the point that Olbermann, Schultz and Maddow are liberal, but the fact is that they don’t lie. They don’t fabricate stories. They don’t forget history. They back up what they say and when an error is made, they are quick to admit it.
Hannity, Beck, OReilly, and everyone I have seen on Fox, lies, misconstrues facts, mischaracterizes people, and resorts to ad hominem attacks and other forms of propaganda. They never admit to being wrong, even when proven so. They simply move on to the next topic and their lies about it.
Let’s not forget OReilly’s numerous hissy fits on the air, and Billo’s telling the son of a victim of 9/11 that his father would be ashamed of him.
Let us not forget the rantings of Beck which, if he acted like that in normal society, would be in therapy.
Let’s not forget the constant lying by Hannity.
That’s what separates Fox from lelgitimate news – whether liberal or conservative: honesty, integrity and truth are characteristics not available on Fox.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:36 pmI guess what backup is really saying is that he wants to get both sides, the truth and the lies, so he can decide for himself which one to believe.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:39 pmThanks for the reply backup. I’d like to see the evidence that KO called Bush a fascist and look at the context around it to determine if there was any truth to KO’s opinion.
I’m not debating the opinion side of Fox (that’s self evident by their overt nature) but what Fox does on it’s regular news (used loosely) is the regurgitating of the falsehoods that originate on the “opinion” shows of Hannity, Beck and the like. Go to media matters and see for yourself.
I watch Fox and MSNBC and CNN and I search out other news information in the papers and the web. I want the truth and not something that will conform with my ideology.
By the way, Rachel Madow will call out the President on any number of issues as has KO
October 21st, 2009 at 2:39 pmI will give you a chance to explain this cappy. This should be good.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:40 pmDid FAUX ever report negative stories about the Bush Crime Family? Did FAUX ever question the invasion of Iraq in the runup? Did FAUX ever question the torturers of the Bush Crime Family about the illegalities of torture? I rest my case.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:42 pmSo when Olbermann called Bush on his abuses of power that was bad. But when Fox makes up pretend abuses of power that’s necessary. Got it backedup. Now could you STFU and take Nellie with you.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:42 pmkasinca, Fox would put it in the form of a question.
A helicopter crashed and there were no survivors. Is this another example of Obama’s failed policy in Afghanistan? We report, you decide.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:43 pmHere’s another classic example:
FAUX – A helicopter carrying soldiers crashed and there were no survivors – Was it Obama’s fault? We don’t know, but what if it was?
October 21st, 2009 at 2:44 pmbackup: Most of it may be fluff or bull. But, no administration is perfect. If our current leadership outsteps it’s bounds, that information will come from Fox. It will come from Fox because of their partisan motivation. But, it will be offered up for us to consider. Whether it’s legitimate or not.
For many decades, we have relied on actual journalists to inform us on the behavior of elected officials, regardless of their political affiliation. We do not need propagandists to inform us and if you rely on Fox, how can you trust that the leadership has really “overstepped” anything?
Find yourself a good journalistic source and use your own judgment rather than slanted and biased commentary passed off as “news.”
October 21st, 2009 at 2:44 pmI have nuked some popcorn and am going to sit back and watch Captain Mantastic dig himself deeper in the hole.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:44 pmB-cup lost the last shred of credibility he had when he posted a link to a video from Olbermann Watch.
“Rove must have a short memory.”
Sorry, TP, I’m not buying it. I think him memory is fine. I think he just has absolutely no respect for the truth and says whatever best serves his argument.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:45 pmNow anyone wondering why motivational speaker, George ‘Bubble’ Bush calls him ‘TURD BLOSSOM’?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAaa . .
Whadda ’bout da ‘cables’ Turdie, dontcha know about da ‘cables’?
Anyone surprised . .
*
October 21st, 2009 at 2:48 pmRove’s memory maybe as strong as his math skills.
October 21st, 2009 at 2:48 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Fail. Try again. You didn’t even address this quote of yours. If you want to be taken seriously you have to give us examples of faux holding the right wings feet to the fire when they were in power. I’ll wait.
October 21st, 2009 at 3:03 pmQuick, name the most powerful person in media today?
October 21st, 2009 at 3:03 pmThe mark of a truly great propagandist is to be able to tell your audience that it is propaganda, but they believe it anyway, ala Hermann Goerring. It looks like Fox News is truly great.
October 21st, 2009 at 3:04 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
backup says:
hellinabucket. Olbermann constantly pushed the idea that Bush was a fascist.
That’s a complete lie. He made one statement which consisted of this. It was a “rhetorical” of do you believe this – because if you do that’s the dictionary definition of fascist.
Wow, you’re an idiot!
“If you believe in the seamless mutuality of government and big business, come out and say it! There is a dictionary definition, one word that describes that toxic blend. You’re a fascist! Get them to print you a T-shirt with fascist on it! What else is this but fascism?”
October 21st, 2009 at 3:06 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
backup says:
It’s not the truth or it’s not a lie. It’s a point of view. Dean disagreed with that point of view.
Quoting a dictionary definition isn’t a “point of view”, it’s a fact. What Beck and you Conservatives do us confuse your “point of view” with facts when the facts contradict you. You’re liars!
October 21st, 2009 at 3:07 pmThe answer is: Rupert Murdoch
Below is a list of what he owns (not complete but you get the idea)
Twentieth Century Fox Licensing
NEWSPAPERS
NY Post; In UK: the Sun, the Times, News of the
World; The Australian, The Telegraph, The Herald
Sun, and others in Australia, New Zealand and the
South Pacific
BOOKS
News America imprints include HarperCollins,
Regan Books, William Morrow and Avon;
Zondervan, largest commercial Bible imprint
PRODUCTION
Twentieth Century Fox Television
Twentieth Television; Fox Television
Studios; Greenblatt/Janollari Studios;
Natural History Limited; Fox Family
Worldwide, Inc. (50% w/Saban)
Regency Television (50% w/Monarchy
Entertprises); Fox Television Library
FOX
203 affiliated stations
TV NETWORKS
FOX, FX, Fox Family Channel, FXM
(50% w/AT&T), Fox Sports Net (stakes
of 40-50% in 21 regional sports
channels w/GE, Cablevision and ATT
through it’s 38% stake in Cablevision),
National Geographic Channel (67% w/
25% GE and National Geographic
Society), MSG (20% w/40% AT&T and
40% Cablevision); TV Guide Channel,
TV Guide Sneak Prevue (44% w/ 44%
AT&T) text display of pay-per view
schedules; generates 65% of all PPV
orders; International holdings include
stakes in Zee Network (50%), ESPN
Star (with AOL/TW), Channel V (50%
with AOL/TW, EMI, SONY, and
BERTELSMANN) and National
Geographic Channel (50% w/others);
FOX Sports International (w/ATT)
CABLE & SATELLITE TV
DirecTV (currnet merger talks would give
30% stake w/GM adn 10% combined for
Microsoft and AT&T); international stakes
include holding sin FOXTEL (50% w/Telstra
Corp., and Publishing and Braodcasting Ltd.);
BskyB (40% w/25% Vivendi) in the UK;
JskyB in Japan, and Star TV in India
STATIONS
WNYW and WWOR, New York; KTTV and KCOP, LA; WFLD,
Chicago; WTXF, Philadelphia; WFXT, Boston; KDFW and
KDFI, Dallas; WTTG, Washington DC, WJBK, Detroit; WAGA,
Atlanta; KRIV, Houston; WTVT, Tampa; WJW, Cleveland;
KSAZ, Phoenix; KDVR, Denver; KTVI, St. Louis; WDAF,
Kansas City; WITI, Milwaukee; KSTU, Salt Lake City; WBRC,
Birmingham; WHBQ, Memphis; WGHP, Greensboro; KTBC,
Austin; KPTV, Portland; KBHK (58%), San Francisco; KMSP
(58%) Minneapolis; KUTP (58%) Phoenix; WUTB (58%),
Baltimore; WRBW (58%) Orlando; KMOL (58%) San Antonio
and KTVX (being sold), Salt Lake City; Satellite
Primestar and DirecTV– (Current merger talks would give 30%
stake w/GM and 10% combined for Microsoft and AT&T)
TV PRODUCTION
Twentieth Century Fox Television and Fox Television Studios (83%), Fox Television
Studios Regency Television (w/New Regency Enterprises), TV Guide Television
Productions (44% w/ 44% AT&T); XYZ Entertainment Pty. Ltd. cable television
programming in the Asia-Pacific region (50% ATT w/ 50% Foxtel [partnership between
News Corp., Telstra Corp., and Publishing and Broadcasting Ltd.]); Main Event Television
(33.3% ATT w/ 33.3% each Optus and Foxtel [News Corp., Telstra Corp., and Publishing
and Broadcasting Ltd.]) produces Main Event and adults only PPV channels in Australia
INTERNATIONAL TV
Channels in Europe:
Vox (49.9%),TM3 (66%),
Stream (35%)
In Latin America: Canal Fox,
Cinecanal (20.2 %),
Telecine (12.5%)
FOX Sports Americas (50%)
In Asia:Channel V (with others)
STAR News;Zee India TV
and Zee TV (50%);
STAR Sports (50%)
Phoenix Chinese Channel (45%)
Phoenix Movies (45%)
Viva Cinema (50%)
• • •
various satellite joint ventures
including STAR in Asia and
FOXTEL in Australia
MARKETING
October 21st, 2009 at 3:08 pmNews Corp. controls about half the US coupon
business through stakes in in-store and printed
coupon businesses;
newspaper inserts in 630 U.S. and 140 Canadian
Sunday newspapers;
telemarketing
backup says:
Fox did not hold the right wing’s feet to the fire.
LOL! Fox did what the right wing always does – cheerlead.
backup says:
Because the had a favorable political bias to the right wing.
What do you mean “had”? You mean they’re right wing propagandists – that hasn’t changed.
October 21st, 2009 at 3:08 pmbackup says:
hellinabucket. I agree with you on Maddow. She’s obviously left, but I appreciate her willingness to call the administration to account.
So you’re saying that the “liberal” isn’t using her bias to produce propaganda? What? LOL!
You extremists are such losers.
October 21st, 2009 at 3:09 pmbackup says:
Fox is what it is.
A propaganda wing of the GOP masquerading as a legitimate news organization? You’re right. And that’s why they’re being made fun of.
October 21st, 2009 at 3:10 pmWhen wingnuts accuse the msm of under reporting, are they referring to the twisted and spun stories the reichwing liars on FAUX report? That is not under reporting, it is being honest brokers of facts!
October 21st, 2009 at 3:12 pmbut that’s not what you said. You said they did:
When bush was in office, he was the current power structure so what you said is false.
Anything else verifies exactly what everyone has been saying. Faux is a right wing propaganda machine, period.
There is no equivilant on the left. None. And for you to pretend there is by listing Madeau, etc. is just more of your usual dishonesty.
October 21st, 2009 at 3:17 pmaaronk says:
backup says:
What Fox does not have is a propensity to overlook stories contrary to the current power structure.
When bush was in office, he was the current power structure so what you said is false.
OMG, has your handle been hijacked? LOL! That’s correct, aaronk.
aaronk says:
Anything else verifies exactly what everyone has been saying. Faux is a right wing propaganda machine, period.
Exactly!
aaronk says:
There is no equivilant on the left. None. And for you to pretend there is by listing Madeau, etc. is just more of your usual dishonesty.
This isn’t aaronk – you’ve been hijacked? LOL! But you’re so right! There is no equivalent on the left. Maddow even Olbermann call Democrats to task, which is something Fox won’t do.
October 21st, 2009 at 3:21 pmhas aaronk flipped or been namejacked? Either way it’s hilarious.
October 21st, 2009 at 3:24 pmbackup says:
Fred. The news is produced by people that are human and have natural biases.
That’s called a projection. Just because you permit your “natural biases” from letting you be honest, you assume others are the same.
backup says:
There has been information that many in the MSM have a Democratic party bias:
The pattern of donations, with nearly nine out of 10 giving to Democratic candidates and causes, appears to confirm a leftward tilt in newsrooms…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19113485/
You dare conflate the job people do with their party affiliation? Since the “editors” approve and permit stories, and not the news men – then the MSM must by nature be “Conservative” since editors are overwhelmingly conservative and biased that way. Right? LOL!
backup says:
Human nature could cause the arguably left leaning MSM to under report or omit stories that detract from the party they support and highlight stories that advance that party.
What a ridiculous claim! There is no basis for that outrageous lie.
backup says:
Fox is overtly right leaning, so it would not have the propensity to omit stories contrary to the current power structure which is run by the Democratic party that many in the MSM identify with.
Fox is a propaganda outlet that “always” attacks Liberals no matter who is in power. The MSM just goes for the juiciest stories usually – but editors slant the MSM coverage to the right as they have done for decades.
October 21st, 2009 at 3:29 pmWhy did turd blossom DISHONOR Pat Tillman?
YES, people will go NUTS if . .
Turd blossom refuses to talk about the 200 emails sent/received from the White House immediately after Tillman’s death?
WHY?
October 21st, 2009 at 4:12 pmFor clarification, when I say current power structure, I’m talking about the power structure today. Not saying using the more general idea of whatever power structure that exists at any given time.
Today’s power is held by Democrats.
Fox did not report contrary stories under the Bush administration, because their bias is to support Republicans and conservatives.
The virtue is in having a media source that won’t dismiss contrary information due to partisan sympathy.
Fox did not fill that role under Republican leadership. But, they do fill that role today, because they are biased against Democrats that hold the power today.
October 21st, 2009 at 4:25 pmbackup, it’s not only that they are biased against Democrats. They lie. The roll they fill is in missleading the public. There is nothing postive to gain from their distortions.
October 21st, 2009 at 4:37 pmAnd indeed, Fox News did “go nuts”…in support of the White House.
and MSNBC has gone nuts for Obama. Chris Matthews had a “tingle” up his leg for Obama.
October 21st, 2009 at 4:45 pmkwsventures, Chris Mathews also had a man crush on Bush in his jump suit. Care to point out where Fox is an actual news organization and not the media arm of the RNC?
October 21st, 2009 at 4:51 pmkwsventures says:
And indeed, Fox News did “go nuts”…in support of the White House.
and MSNBC has gone nuts for Obama. Chris Matthews had a “tingle” up his leg for Obama.
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This implied statement is totally wrong. I believe I remember the Matthews tingle being for Fred Thompson or some man love he had for a wingnut. I watch MSNBC and I have heard the most liberal Ed, Keith, and Rachel go after the White House and the President and Harry Reid and the Speaker. They just do not make a career 24/7 of distorting facts to go after them. FAUX on the other hand never has anything positive to report and everything is negative. That is not reality.
October 21st, 2009 at 4:53 pmCaptain Mantastic must be living in an alternate reality because there is nothing credible about Fox News.
Cappy, would you like to explain why you linked to Olbermann Watch on this thread? While you’re at it please explain why you chose to link to Zombie a couple times in the last week. Have you ever been banned from Little Green Footballs?
October 21st, 2009 at 5:14 pmbackup says:
For clarification, when I say current power structure, I’m talking about the power structure today. Not saying using the more general idea of whatever power structure that exists at any given time.
Yet fox has always carried water for the GOP no matter who was in power.
backup says:
Today’s power is held by Democrats.
Yet Fox is still 100% in the GOP corner, unlike every other news agency.
backup says:
Fox did not report contrary stories under the Bush administration, because their bias is to support Republicans and conservatives.
Duh!
backup says:
The virtue is in having a media source that won’t dismiss contrary information due to partisan sympathy.
Which is why Fox is “not” a media source – at least not a “news” one.
backup says:
Fox did not fill that role under Republican leadership. But, they do fill that role today, because they are biased against Democrats that hold the power today.
No they don’t, because just like under Republican leadership all they do is “carry water” for the GOP and don’t “cover” anything from a “news” perspective. Your inability to distinguish this “propaganda” reporting versus “news” is why you’re a fascist.
October 21st, 2009 at 5:17 pmkwsventures says:
And indeed, Fox News did “go nuts”…in support of the White House.
and MSNBC has gone nuts for Obama. Chris Matthews had a “tingle” up his leg for Obama.
LOL! Is that why they’ve criticized the white house for its handling of detainees and any number of other things? Project much lunatic fascist?
October 21st, 2009 at 5:18 pmIf you find information that’s wrapped in a Olbermann Watch or Zombie wrapper, is it somehow not information?
Here’s information from Glen Beck’s show over at Fox that TP uses to make it’s point.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/21/john-stossel-lou-dobbs/
It’s information wrapped in a Fox wrapper. Is it also not admissible or irrelevant?
October 21st, 2009 at 5:23 pmb-cup:
I am glad to see you’ve finally come out of the closet, it was a long time coming.
October 21st, 2009 at 5:56 pmIt is well documented fact that Olbermann Watch is the thinly veiled front for Troll Central.
As far as Zombie, she/he lost all credibility a few weeks ago when she/he came out as being a member of the astro-turf spin machine and joined the right wing campaign to smear Charles Johnson.
Karl Rove Should have first hand knowledge of the Bush Whitehouse inner workings with the New York Times. It was Scooter Libby who went to Judith Miller trying to get her to out Valerie Plame Wilson. He got his way when Robert Novak did his dirty work for him but make no mistake, Rove and others thought they had a friend at the New York Times in Judith Miller. Same way with Tim Russert at NBC. Russert was Cheney’s go to guy for his propaganda campaign. Of course Bush didn’t want to upset those apple carts when they had been useful tools in the past.
October 21st, 2009 at 6:08 pmReggie. I’ll admit to coming out of the ‘I can only consider information that Reggie feels is appropriate’ closet.
Limit yourself however you want. I prefer not to do that.
October 21st, 2009 at 6:13 pm
backup says:
If you find information that’s wrapped in a Olbermann Watch or Zombie wrapper, is it somehow not information?
Wrapped in? You mean distorted by? LOL! Olbermann Watch is a known and proven liar website… Zzzzz… It’s like quoting “fox” as a source of facts! It proves you’re a fool!
backup says:
Here’s information from Glen Beck’s show over at Fox that TP uses to make it’s point.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/21/john-stossel-lou-dobbs/
It’s information wrapped in a Fox wrapper. Is it also not admissible or irrelevant?
Fox lies, why should anything from them be admissible? Can you really be “that” stupid?
October 21st, 2009 at 6:29 pmbackup says:
Reggie. I’ll admit to coming out of the ‘I can only consider information that Reggie feels is appropriate’ closet.
You mean you’re happy to believe propaganda outlets and purveyors like Beck who has publicly admitted he doesn’t “fact check” if it meets your partisan prejudice? We know that moron.
backup says:
Limit yourself however you want. I prefer not to do that.
Limit ourselves to facts? We know you prefer not to do that. It’s why you posted the “lie” about Olbermann “constantly” calling Bush a fascist when he didn’t even do it once. You are a proven liar, and you want us to listen to other proven liars. You truly are a useless POS fool.
October 21st, 2009 at 6:30 pmbleepn. If you believe that Olbermann has not called Bush a fascist, maybe your efforts to limit yourself to facts isn’t working.
Here’s an MSNBC video where Olbermann calls President Bush a fascist (2:00)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u19KHbTJEOk
October 21st, 2009 at 7:24 pmbackup says:
The Bush Crime Family was Fascist.
Read “The End of America” by Naomi Wolf.
October 21st, 2009 at 7:32 pmkasinca. maybe so. please help me convince bleepn that if he doubts Keith Olbermann has called Bush a fascist, he/she is mistaken.
October 21st, 2009 at 7:39 pmb-cup:
I am glad to see you are back up in full troll mode. You took four words out of context from a seven and a half minute special comment, then tried to deceive us by claiming Mr Olbermann called the president a fascist, when he did no such thing. Captain Mantastic, have you no shame?
October 21st, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Reggie. If you are saying that Olbermann did not call President Bush a fascist, I will listen to you.
You’ll acknowledge that on the face of it, there’s a video entitled: “Keith Olbermann calls George W. Bush a Fascist” and it seems as if he did.
Additionally, maybe it’s my bias, but I watched the whole video. It seemed to me that Olbermann call Bush a fascist.
I’ll listen to what you have to say about it and I’d also be interested in kasinca’s view.
October 21st, 2009 at 7:54 pmHere’s an article from the raw story. They characterizes Olbermann’s remarks at:
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Olbermann_Bush_panoramic_invasion_of_privacy_0215.html
October 21st, 2009 at 7:59 pmIf the people at crooks and liars think that Olbermann called Bush a fascist, isn’t it reasonable that I might think that?
http://crooksandliars.com/2008/02/14/countdown-special-comment-on-fisa-president-bush-is-a-liar-and-a-fascist#comment-407920
October 21st, 2009 at 8:02 pmbackup says:
bleepn. If you believe that Olbermann has not called Bush a fascist, maybe your efforts to limit yourself to facts isn’t working.
Prove it. The only case where only case where he said it was the above quote.
backup says:
Here’s an MSNBC video where Olbermann calls President Bush a fascist (2:00)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u19KHbTJEOk
I suggest you listen to this, it’s the quote I cited. The quote speaks for itself. He describes the “dictionary” definition of fascism and how bush was calling for “fascist” actions. It is the “only” time Olbermann used the term as I said.
But that didn’t stop you from claiming it happened “all the time”… You are a liar! Now you are a “proven” liar yet again!
October 21st, 2009 at 8:04 pmbackup says:
kasinca. maybe so. please help me convince bleepn that if he doubts Keith Olbermann has called Bush a fascist, he/she is mistaken.
No he didn’t. He said if you want to do away with the right to privacy through corporate collusion – that’s fascism. He’s right. He said “you might as well print a t-shirt that says fascist” if that’s what we’re going to pass. He’s right.
He never once said “George Bush is a fascist” – which is what “several” fox and GOP hypocrites have said about Obama.
October 21st, 2009 at 8:05 pmbackup says:
Reggie. If you are saying that Olbermann did not call President Bush a fascist, I will listen to you.
He didn’t. Listen to the audio – liar!
backup says:
You’ll acknowledge that on the face of it, there’s a video entitled: “Keith Olbermann calls George W. Bush a Fascist” and it seems as if he did.
Yeah, a “mistitled” video you apparently didn’t listen to! And “only” one, not the “all the time” you lied and claimed! LOL!
backup says:
Additionally, maybe it’s my bias, but I watched the whole video. It seemed to me that Olbermann call Bush a fascist.
It “seemed”? That’s not the same thing as “calling” someone a fascist!! LOL!
backup says:
I’ll listen to what you have to say about it and I’d also be interested in kasinca’s view.
If it takes a “view” to decide – then you “lied” like the rest of the GOP!
October 21st, 2009 at 8:07 pmb-cup:
Can’t you read English? Olbermann did not call the President a fascist. I posted the friggin quote and you ignored it, so here it is again. Read it out loud slowly and maybe this time it will penetrate your thick skull.
You may have fooled most of the other posters for while, but I realized what you were up to, since the day Tony Snow died. You gave it away that day and it was just a matter of time before things finally caught up with you.
October 21st, 2009 at 8:08 pm
backup says:
Here’s an article from the raw story. They characterizes Olbermann’s remarks at:
Olbermann called Bush a “liar” several times during his broadcast.
He also called Bush a ‘fascist.’
“If you believe in the seamless mutuality of government and big business — come out and say it!” he said. “There is a dictionary definition, one word that describes that toxic blend. You’re a fascist — get them to print you a t-shirt with “fascist” on it! What else is this but fascism?”
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Olbermann_Bush_panoramic_invasion_of_privacy_0215.html
Actually he’s “correct” about the definition of “fascism”. It’s like saying “if you believe in doing away with all private property, you’re a communist”. And he prodded Bush to say “whether” he believed that or not as I’ve highlighted!
You lied and now you’ve been proven as a liar!
October 21st, 2009 at 8:09 pmbackup says:
If the people at crooks and liars think that Olbermann called Bush a fascist, isn’t it reasonable that I might think that?
http://crooksandliars.com/2008/02/14/countdown-special-comment-on-fisa-president-bush-is-a-liar-and-a-fascist#comment-407920
Yawn… More spinning and lies from the GOP Fox hack.. ZZzz…
October 21st, 2009 at 8:09 pmIt’s another case of GOP “translation”. You “meant” this despite not saying it to justify “I said it” but didn’t mean it! LOL! What a bunch of extremist crazies you are morontastic!
October 21st, 2009 at 8:10 pmbackup says:
hellinabucket. Olbermann constantly pushed the idea that Bush was a fascist.
How many times again makes “constantly” in the eyes of a domestic terrorist b-crap?
October 21st, 2009 at 8:12 pmbleepn. I’ll concede that constantly may have been inaccurate.
Would you concede that Olbermann indeed called Bush a fascist?
October 21st, 2009 at 8:15 pmbackup says:
kasinca. maybe so. please help me convince bleepn that if he doubts Keith Olbermann has called Bush a fascist, he/she is mistaken.
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Sorry Backup, but I watch Keith pretty much every night and he never called him fascist per se. He outlined things that were very fascist like and proved that they were being done. I realize facts get into the way of FAUXtoids but you have to call a spade a spade. What FAUX does is pull crap out of their ass and throw out names with no basis. That is lying.
I called Bush a Fascist and so was Cheney.
October 21st, 2009 at 8:20 pmb cup:
Can’t you read, are you drunk, stoned or playing stupid?
Both just the bleepn facts and I have posted proof positive that Mr Olbermann did not call the President a fascist.
From this day forward you will be known by one and all, as just another brainwashed troll.
October 21st, 2009 at 8:23 pmFAUX is organizing teaparty protests
Olbermann has organized free clinics in three cities including KC, MO, Little Rock, AR, and NO, LA. More to come.
Now what is the comparison? Protest healthcare and provide free healthcare clinics. Go figure.
October 21st, 2009 at 8:23 pmIt’s possible that I just don’t get it. But how do you explain crooks and liars coming to the same conclusion that I came to?
http://crooksandliars.com/2008/02/14/countdown-special-comment-on-fisa-president-bush-is-a-liar-and-a-fascist
October 21st, 2009 at 8:27 pmbackup says:
bleepn. I’ll concede that constantly may have been inaccurate.
You mean you lied? Was it intentional, or out of your profoundly ignorant arrogance again?
backup says:
Would you concede that Olbermann indeed called Bush a fascist?
Nope, he did not. He asked Bush how he could support an act of fascism, and if Bush knew it was being fascist?
You really are an illiterate dork aren’t you captain moron?
October 21st, 2009 at 8:28 pmbackup says:
Read it out loud slowly and maybe this time it will penetrate your thick skull.
It’s possible that I just don’t get it. But how do you explain crooks and liars coming to the same conclusion that I came to?
Ask them. Doesn’t change the fact you lied!
backup says:
http://crooksandliars.com/2008/02/14/countdown-special-comment-on-fisa-president-bush-is-a-liar-and-a-fascist
Same video dork.
October 21st, 2009 at 8:30 pmTell us morontastic, you don’t think “If you believe in the seamless mutuality of government and big business — come out and say it!” is a fair question in light of big business colluding on spying on all Americans? LOL! What exactly does it take before you question an act as “fascist” – dorkface?
October 21st, 2009 at 8:33 pmthese guys got it wrong as well:
http://politicalchase.com/2008/02/14/olbermann-bush-is-a-fascist/
October 21st, 2009 at 8:34 pmOne newscaster “implies” that Presidential actions are fascist (and they were) once. And that’s a false equivalent to the “constant” Obama is a socialist rhetoric of the right wing? LOL! Sorry b-crap, but you’re as full of sh!t as always!
October 21st, 2009 at 8:35 pmbackup says:
these guys got it wrong as well:
http://politicalchase.com/2008/02/14/olbermann-bush-is-a-fascist/
LOL! So one person criticizing “fascist” actions means Fox is now off the hook and both sides are “equal”? LOL! You really are a d**chebag
October 21st, 2009 at 8:37 pmAnd these guys:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×2867806
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Olbermann_Bush_panoramic_invasion_of_privacy_0215.html
October 21st, 2009 at 8:38 pmSo, me, political chase, crooks and liars, democratic underground, and raw story (I’m sure I could find more) watch the Olbermann video and conclude he called Bush a fascist.
I’m open minded, but maybe my take is closer to the truth.
October 21st, 2009 at 8:40 pmbackup says:
And these guys:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×2867806
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Olbermann_Bush_panoramic_invasion_of_privacy_0215.html
Maybe because they knew the “if” was a “yes” as most sane people did? ;)
October 21st, 2009 at 8:40 pmbackup says:
So, me, political chase, crooks and liars, democratic underground, and raw story (I’m sure I could find more) watch the Olbermann video and conclude he called Bush a fascist.
They concluded it because they had seen enough of Bush to know that Obama was a corporatist… The “if” was a “yes” for them. What about you?
backup says:
I’m open minded, but maybe my take is closer to the truth.
Nope, you’re a closed minded right wing extremist that is constantly acting as “apologist” for your fellow right wing extremism. You look for any opportunity for “false equivalency” and the “they do it too” excuse. You are a lying d**chebag.
October 21st, 2009 at 8:42 pmb-cup:
October 21st, 2009 at 8:42 pmWhy can’t you admit that you are wrong? For goodness sakes, we’ve posted the quote in it’s proper context, be a man for once in your life and admit that you are wrong.
backup says:
I’m open minded, but maybe my take is closer to the truth.
I watch the video, and understand english and grammar and know what the meaning of “if” is. So Republicans ask people constantly “if Obama might be from Kenya”, does that mean they are accusing him of lying about his birth certificate?
Trouble with you extremists is that you are always hypocrites.
October 21st, 2009 at 8:44 pmReggie says:
b-cup:
Why can’t you admit that you are wrong?
She’s an insecure d**chebag? Easiest answer.
October 21st, 2009 at 8:44 pmNo it is not, it is an outright lie.
October 21st, 2009 at 8:46 pmCan you believe this insecure d**chebag claims to pilot 777’s on fourteen hour flights to Dubai?
October 21st, 2009 at 8:55 pmAll right. I give. Your capacity to insist on the implausible exceeds my ability to respond.
October 21st, 2009 at 9:02 pmAnd if you don’t believe that Olbermann called Bush a fascist, I’m not surprised you find it hard to believe I fly 777’s.
I’ll try to get past it.
October 21st, 2009 at 9:05 pmOlbermann did call Bush a fascist — a liar and a fascist, to be exact.
And he was right to do so.
*shrug*
October 21st, 2009 at 9:15 pmThank you, Zooey.
I’m sure you could make a strong argument as to why Bush is a fascist.
October 21st, 2009 at 9:21 pmZooey:
Go back and read my comments and those of just the bleepn facts, starting at comment 192.
October 21st, 2009 at 9:26 pmReggie. I know you’re making the point that Olbermann didn’t call Bush a fascist. My question is why?
Do you have some quotes or video of Olbermann denying he called Bush a fascist?
If Bush is a fascist, why would you, or other progressives, be trying so hard to make the case that Olbermann really didn’t call him one?
I don’t get it.
October 21st, 2009 at 9:36 pmbackup says:
All right. I give. Your capacity to insist on the implausible exceeds my ability to respond.
Says the idiot that can’t listen to a video and makes claims like “Olbermann constantly called bush a fascist” even though it didn’t happen. You are a liar and a d**chebag!
October 21st, 2009 at 9:50 pmbackup says:
And if you don’t believe that Olbermann called Bush a fascist, I’m not surprised you find it hard to believe I fly 777’s.
LOL! Says the “fantasy” dork…
backup says:
I’ll try to get past it.
How ’bout you just f*** off instead sport?
October 21st, 2009 at 9:51 pmbackup says:
Reggie. I know you’re making the point that Olbermann didn’t
call Bush a fascist. My question is why?
Reverse that. Why do you claim he did when I listened to the video and he didn’t.
backup says:
Do you have some quotes or video of Olbermann denying he called Bush a fascist?
Do you have some other video where he did, because in this one he says “if you believe this, then…”… You saying Bush believed in fascism, so Olbermann was calling him a fascist because it’s true?
backup says:
If Bush is a fascist, why would you, or other progressives, be trying so hard to make the case that Olbermann really didn’t call him one?
Why are you trying so hard to prove he did? Looking to justify the Fox noise machine?
Many on the left including Zooey believes the “if” is obvious and this means he called Bush a fascist. For you to come to that conclusion though – you’d either have to disregard the definition of fascism or believe Bush didn’t believe that way.
Based on your posts, you’re clearly claiming “you” believe Bush was a fascist, otherwise the “if” isn’t true….
backup says:
I don’t get it.
You never do, it’s why you’re a d**chebag.
October 21st, 2009 at 9:55 pmI mean, imagine what would have happened if President Bush had said, “You know what, I’m not going to — I’m going to call NBC not a news organization.
#1 NBC IS a news orgainzation.
October 21st, 2009 at 9:56 pm#2. The White House eviserated the
NYT everytime they published
something not favorable to the
WH, especially regarding the
Iraq War buildup.
#3. No matter what they say, Faux
(Sorry…fingers got ahead of me and inadvertantly submitted this comment before I finished it). …..Noise is and has always been the promotional propaganda arm of the Rethuglican Party.
October 21st, 2009 at 9:58 pmglogrrl. How about you?
Did Olbermann call Bush a fascist?
October 21st, 2009 at 10:16 pmbackup says:
glogrrl. How about you?
Did Olbermann call Bush a fascist?
Ignore the false conflation of “faux noise” with “news” organizations and whine on about this? Whatever, d**chebag.
October 21st, 2009 at 10:23 pmbackup says:
glogrrl. How about you?
Did Olbermann call Bush a fascist?
So then by this “measure”, Palin said Obama wasn’t an American citizen? LOL! You d***chebags are nothing both “fascist” terrorists.
October 21st, 2009 at 10:24 pmA simpler question b-d**che is do you believe Bush’s FISA actions were “fascist” according to the “dictionary” definition of “fascist”?
October 21st, 2009 at 10:25 pmThis Media Matters article says it best – in short it says that FOX is a political entity but wants to retain the benefits of being considered news..
http://mediamatters.org/columns/200910130008
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:16 ambackup says:
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Publicly attacking Fox will only increase it’s ratings and give credence to the idea that the administration is trying to control the press.
Maybe temporarily, but I doubt in the long run. See the Jim Cramer smackdown by Jon Stewart as an example.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:31 amThroughout the history of news.. the most important thing for a reporter.. and for an organization was it’s CREDIBILITY. Credibility was it’s stock in trade.. making false statements would ruin you – but, as media matters points out, the times have changed.. and FOX is the example. They can’t be allowed to blatantly lie and call it news.
It’s as important to the future of America that the White House take a stance on this issue as any of the other domestic issues.. – If our news sources lose their direction.. and become just opinion without fact checking – it certainly spells doom for us..
One guys response to this whole White House vs Fox thing was that it was the responsibility of the bloggers to find the truth.. wtf.. that’s ignorant – now it’s our job to figure out the truth? I thought Repubs were the party that wanted personal responsibility?? Like everything else they stand for.. just another lie.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:32 amThe republicans really suck.. remember when Obama went to speak at schools.. and the response was ‘If bush/reagan did anything like this people would flip out’…. somehow they forgot that those presidents did the very same thing..
And now they selectively remember Bush’s media prejudice.. ‘if Bush would have done that..’… *sigh* idiots. over and over.. idiots.
You know what.. now I realize why FOX doesn’t understand our criticism… it’s not that they aren’t TRYING to produce news.. they just are Republicans… like the two examples above – they don’t fact check anything. They think saying something is so.. makes it so.. – they’ve never concerned themselves with facts…
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Now I lay me down to sleep
Pray to God my soul to keep
I voted for Bush the Texacutioner
Who put more people to death than an executioner
The highest execution rate of any governor in history
How he was elected president is still a mystery
The biggest serial killer since Timothy McVeigh,
mocks Karla’s pleas for clemency during her final days
I hold stoutly to my world view
Despite being contradicted by what is proven true
I believe the earth to be only 4000 years old
“Intelligent” design is the view I hold
Even though evolution explains how life changed and adapted
verified by countless experiments not retracted
the scientific facts should be stricken as inadmissible
teaching creationism to our children is permissible
Take some parts literally, others out of place
And I can use the Bible to judge the whole human race
Pat Robertson said 9/11 was a punishment from God
That innocents died instead of him he didn’t find odd
For lifestyles of feminism, liberalism, and being gay
Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson said over 3,000 people died that day
That God will punish them for their remark
Pride has hidden from a judgmental heart
“After the last tree standing is felled”
“Christ will come back” I heard James Watt tell
you see evangelicals don’t care about generations
because they won’t have to be here to face elimination
“compassionate” conservatives fantasize about journeying through the air
As Left Behind: The Series plays out below everywhere
While pollution they caused brings about ecological collapse
It doesn’t bother them that people will die perhaps
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October 22nd, 2009 at 12:05 pmOh, this is just too funny, especially coming from Karl Rove,propagandist of Bushie 43. Sounds like a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black, like many of you guys have said. But why is Rove accusing the Obama administration of “attacking Fox News” (i.e. informing people that Fox isn’t a legitimate news organization) when Bushie himself went after the MSM while in the White House? Bring on the popcorn!
October 22nd, 2009 at 3:34 pmAnd now, in the immortal words of Tweety Bird…. “I tawt I taw a hypocwite”..Haha.
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