Rep. Alan Grayson Grills Republican Congressman On Constitutionality Of Anti-ACORN Crusade
Rep. Alan Grayson Grills Republican Congressman On Constitutionality Of Anti-ACORN Crusade
One of the right’s loudest crusades has been their effort to undermine the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now (ACORN). Following the release of a series of videos showing a handful of ACORN employees behaving inappropriately, conservatives in Congress have done everything they can to single out ACORN for being stripped of all federal funding (while engaging in apparent opposition to defunding companies that cover up rape). Many legal experts have warned that these measures may be unconstitutional because lawmakers cannot punish a group or individual without a trial.
Yesterday, Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL) challenged the constitutionality of one of these anti-ACORN measures being supported by Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA) during a hearing of the Science and Technology committee. Grayson repeatedly questioned Broun about the constitutionality of “bills of attainder” — which are punishments that single out a group or individual without a court trial. The Georgia Republican was unable to offer a coherent rebuttal:
GRAYSON: I’d like to ask the gentleman from Georgia a few questions, and I’ll yield to him for the purpose of having answers to these questions. Does the gentleman from Georgia know what a bill of Attainder is?
BROUN: A bill of, the answer’s yes, in fact it’s been very explicitly described by the court’s.
GRAYSON: What is it?
BROUN: [long pause. Scrambling through papers.] The courts have applied a two pronged test. Number one, whether specific individuals or entities are affected by the staute, Number two, when the legislation affects a “punishment,” on those individuals, it serves no legitamate regulatory purpose.
GRAYSON: What, um, does the Constitution says about Bills of Attainder?
BROUN: Oh, I suggest that this is not a Bill of Attainder. It’s, um, certainly does focus on a specific entity, but it does not inflict punishment by any means. In fact…
GRAYSON: Will the gentleman from Georgia explain what the Constitution says about Bills of Attainder?
ANOTHER CONGRESSMAN: Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield for a second? The gentleman from Florida?
GRAYSON: No. I’d like an answer to my question. [...]
GRAYSON: The question is, will the gentleman from Georgia agree with me that the Bill of Attainder clause was intended not as a narrow or technical provision, but as an implementation of the seperation of powers, and a general safeguard against legislative exercise of the judicial function, or more simply, trial by legislature. Will the gentleman agree to that?
BROUN: No, sir, I will not, and I ask counsel to help us with this. I think all this is determination of the court and I’d like to appeal to Mr. Sensenberner.
GRAYSON: Well, I’m sorry, but it’s my time, not yours or Mr. Sensenberner’s, so I will reclaim my time, and I will point out that what you just you would not agree to is from a Supreme Court case called the United States v. Brown, something I would expect you might know about, given your name.
Watch it:
Grayson ended his remarks by noting that the conservative crusade against ACORN isn’t based in principle but politics: “We are trampling on people’s Constitutional rights. And I think it’s unfortunate that the mania that exists on the other side of the aisle regarding this one organization, and we know why that mania exists, it’s because they’ve registered an awful lot of Democrats, continues to distort and waste the time of this committee and many other committees here in Congress. Enough is enough.”
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I’m beginning to like this guy…
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:49 pmGrayson has the ability to get me to open up my wallet like no other. As long as he keeps doing his job, I will keep giving him money.
We need many many more like him.
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:50 pmThe Republic of Stupidity says:
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I’m beginning to like this guy…
.. just beginning to like him? I wish we had about 200 more just like him
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:51 pmThis Rep. Grayson has a lot of guts and I like him very much. Very smart person. Would make a good VP or President, IMO of course.
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:51 pmWould he make a good Senator?
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:52 pmmy initial reaction to grayson was skeptical.
he’s making me a believer more and more everyday.
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:53 pmRepublicans tremble and cower when they hear Rep. Alan Grayson’s name. We need more watchdogs like Grayson in Congress.
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:54 pmmuzz says:
.. just beginning to like him?
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Dear muzz… see #6 for more information…
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:55 pmI, too, was skeptical at first.
His combination of guts and cojones, though, is quite refreshing.
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:55 pmBROUN: No, sir, I will not, and I ask counsel to help us with this. I think all this is determination of the court and I’d like to appeal to Mr. Sensenberner.
Please Mr. Sensenberner, save me!
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:55 pmI don’t think the republicans know what to do wit Rep. Grayson. Wish he was my congressman.
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:56 pmSet, Match, Game…. Greyson. Broun is typical… fluster and bluster.. and know nothing about what you are speaking.. then run for the sidelines and tag the lawyer to save your a$$.
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:56 pmGrayson is speaking from the heart with passion for justice… but does he realize what a potential presidential candidate he is becoming?
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:56 pmGrayson just doesn’t make re-election easy. He’s exactly what the Dems need: an intelligent, wiseass, firebrand rigid in his belief in the principles of the left while unwilling to muzzle himself for the sake of being politic. The GOP will sink millions into his defeat. While this normally means defeat in a swing district, there have yet to be any “name” challengers to him…and the DNC will doubtlessly funnel some money to him (that, and he’s the 5th richest member of the House). Also, the more money spent by the RNC here is less money spent elsewhere….
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:56 pmsure a lot of flummoxed, red faces in that room during that exchange (that all belong to Republican’ts)
mr. grayson’s skills and knowledge make them look like the real freshmen.
droppin’ the rehnquist on’em!? hell yeah.
think of all the sleazy righty boiler rooms that would go down hard under the precedent set by anything they try to do to punish acorn for getting Borat’ed…
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:57 pmMany of the long-time office holders should take lessons from this guy. He acts for the good of the country and not for the good of his re-election prospects. This is how the system is supposed to work.
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:58 pmWhen you lead them down the path of logic, they get lost, and try to find their way back to the path of ideaology.
But you can’t get there from here.
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:59 pmRepublicans crumble and their idiocy is exposed when confronted with inconveniences such as facts and constitutionality.
Hurrah for Rep. Grayson!
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:00 pm@14: I agree completely that’s what we need. We simply don’t have enough ‘firebrands’ on the left side of the aisle, and that’s been killing us for decades. I want someone with some passion representing me, not another wet noodle who, while having great principles, can’t express them worth a sh!t.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:00 pmThis should be required viewing for Congressional Democrats trying to figure out how to stop being doormats for the right wing.
Granted, many Congressional Democrats are very happy as doormats for the right wing, but there may be some tired of that status.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:00 pmHaha…
“Will the gentleman yield?”
Grayson: “No.”
Love it!!
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:01 pmWill you yield……NO!
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:02 pm.
… And the gloves haven’t even come off yet!
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October 22nd, 2009 at 2:03 pmmakete says:
Would he make a good Senator?
He is the perfect prescription our country needs as President…. that is if he could maintain his strength when the curtains opened up and he sees the horrors.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:04 pmThis is as good as the dressing down Al Franken gave Hudson Institute Senior Fellow (and all-around insurance company shill) Diana Furchtgott-Roth 2 days ago!!!
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:05 pm.
Yet, Haliburton and KBR are not singled out by the G(no)P. WHY?
And Blackwater…
… Let’s not forget about them. Rape, murder… It’s O.K.?
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October 22nd, 2009 at 2:06 pmLet’s face it. Democrats are smarter. The GOPers are either uninformed or crazier that sh*t house rats. And they wonder why people can’t stomach the Repug brand anymore?
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:07 pmOh my… someone just got spanked…
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:07 pmI’m jealous, my congressman is a corrupt right wing tool – who somehow has avoided jail time.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:08 pmIs it possible to have Grayson be the Representative for multiple districts? I would sure like to replace mine.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:08 pmBroun hasnt gotten his talking points memo from faux snooze yet. Mail must be running late and heads are gonna roll!
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:09 pmTRoS,
It’s actually better because it’s the G(no)P Congressman getting the dressing down. They should know better yet refuse to be better because doing so is all about an attempt to hang on to that feeling from the past…
… Where violating the Rights of the People was a fun thing to do.
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October 22nd, 2009 at 2:09 pmAlan Grayson for President in 2016!
(I’m being realistic. He won’t primary Obama in 2012)
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:09 pmGrayson/Frankin 2116 anyone?
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:10 pmoops 2016
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:10 pmmymoon says:
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Grayson/Frankin 2116 anyone?
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:11 pmI’ll second that!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What will the gop do when the legislation agains ACORN is deemed unconstituional!!!!
Looks like they screwed the pooch on this one.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:11 pmDitto. I’m in the NJ-7. We’ve got Leonard Lance. He’s a decent guy, as Republicans go (voted for ACES, the Shepard/Byrd Act, pro-choice)…but we can do better.
And by better, I mean not having Linda Stender run again. Any stronger Dem would’ve beaten Ferguson in ‘06 or, failing that, not lose by 10 points in an NJ swing district in ‘08.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:11 pmGrayson was ranked as the 12th-wealthiest member of Congress based on financial disclosure forms with a minimum net worth of $31.12 million, according to Roll Call.[6]
He is definitely a force to be reckoned with.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:13 pmI like the trend here this morning. Everyone is looking for a better democratic representative and suddenly, we have some choices.
It’s a great day for America.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:13 pmWhat a rep. What a man. I get all warm and fuzzy when I see a representative DOING THEIR JOB for a change!!!
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:14 pmWow. Yesterday it was Al Franken, today it’s Alan Grayson taking the GOP to the woodshed. This IS refreshing. Pay attention, senior Democrats, this is how you do it.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:15 pmYou have to wonder why Broun got into a pissing match with Grayson who is an attorney.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:16 pmHarry Reid = one toenail clipping of Grayson’s.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:16 pmGrayson-Franken 2012
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:17 pmOops, I meant Grayson-Franken 2016
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:18 pmI’d like to appeal to Mr. Sensenberner.
– - Btw, it’s Rep. “Sensenbrenner”
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:18 pmThe ACORN non-issue fabricated by Fox News is probably a big reason they are being shunned by the White House. Ignoring them is not enough when congress members start legislating based on their lies.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:19 pmAnd they’re doing it in a calm, rational manner, and simply presenting the facts. No bloviating or overreactonary bluster. The Piggies can’t brush them off as wacko firebrands because it’s just not there. And it baffles and frustrates the Repugnicons to no end.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:20 pmbroun had no choice in the matter. He co-sponsored the bill:
http://www.onlineathens.net/node/1373
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:22 pmhttp://namesofthedead.com/ is the new website paid and launched by Rep. Grayson where people can go to tell the stories of those who didn’t survive out lack of health care policy.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:22 pmYou give him too much credit. Reid that is.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:24 pmOT – Uh oh, anti-war protesters are “greeting” President Bush where he is scheduled to speak in Canada today. Interesting when we protested him in this country it never got ANY MEDIA COVERAGE.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:28 pmActually, the way President Obama is pussy footing around with health care, I’d rather Grayson was president right now.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:29 pmMax Anax junius -1 says:
“Yet, Haliburton and KBR are not singled out by the G(no)P. WHY?
And Blackwater…
… Let’s not forget about them. Rape, murder… It’s O.K.?”
Of course it’s ok Max. Haliburton KBR and XE aren’t in the business of registering Democratic voters!
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:33 pmRich H says:
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Actually, the way President Obama is pussy footing around with health care, I’d rather Grayson was president right now.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:34 pmBut isnt the President just letting the system work?
Franken/Grayson
Grayson/Franken
freekin grayson
grayson frankly
it don’t matter. i can’t begin to fathom how much money i would be willing to donate to that cause.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:35 pmGrayson = Democrat with balls.
Thank you Con. Grayson for showing the WIMPS how it is done.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:36 pmA Patriot Acting,
With rape, genocide (they can dream can’t they) and murder they are just following the prinicples of our countrys founders.
What could possibly be wrong with that?
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:36 pmmakete,
Letting the system work, when he’s said many times he’ll sign any bill as long as it’s some type of reform, isn’t actually leading, is it?
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:37 pmAfter all the months of republican bullshit, I am over joyed by the boldness of this man. It’s as simple as that.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:41 pmWatching this video…..you realize that paul broun really is an uninformed dumb fu k. He apparently knows nothing about what he’s trying to achieve and defend. He fumbles thru papers, repeats verbatim the words off the page without an understanding of what they mean. What a pathetic loser. Rep Alan Grayson is a gem in the Democratic Party.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:42 pmFred says:
pags2 says:
You have to wonder why Broun got into a pissing match with Grayson who is an attorney.
broun had no choice in the matter. He co-sponsored the bill:
Broun is an MD as well as a House Representative. You would think someone that smart and dealing with legislation would have anticipated legal questions and been ready to respond. Broun must have thought he would get a pass because he was a fellow congressman. He guessed wrong.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:44 pmC’mon guys, you all know me. You can’t really be upset that Pelosi is showing more initiative than Obama are you? Who would have thought.
I’m not sorry that I’d rather he be somewhat more forceful on the very things he campaigned on.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:45 pmpags2, I think braun and the gop in general are not used to being called out for thier bullshit. It takes them by surprise.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:46 pmRich H, I do know you and we all share your frustration I’m sure.
The plain and simple fact for me is that without Obama we would not be having any discussion about health care right now. He did lead in that way you must admit.
Further, although his career may depend on it’s success, he is not soley responsible for making this happen in my opinion.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:48 pmFred,
I’m in total agreement with you. None of this would be happening if McCain won the election, but it would still be happening if Clinton won.
O.k. so he get’s appreciation for having this move forward by millions of people (including myself). However, I think this road would have been,and still could be, easier if he was “somewhat” more forceful about the issue.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:51 pmFred says:
pags2, I think braun and the gop in general are not used to being called out for thier bullshit. It takes them by surprise.
I think the Republicans are still in the state of shock from the elections because they thought the White House and Congress were wholly owned subsidiaries of the Republican party.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:54 pmI’m not so sure. She got burned for it once.
Obama has with full knowledge of the danger, staked his political future on this. I don’t know why he’s not more vocal but I do know he is an intelligent person who has outwitted the gop at every turn so far.
I have no reason to believe that this won’t turn out the same way. I do however, have my fingers crossed.
It’s hard to be patient when we have worked and waited for sooo long.
My empathy for you is strong.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:58 pmHmm, a medical doctor, Rep. Broun, going up against a lawyer who also has a PhD in gov’t, Rep. Grayson, on the constitutionality of something. My money is on Rep. Grayson.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:59 pmGrayson for President 2012!
Wow, I really like this guy. It’s too bad we don’t have more legislators like him and Al Franken.
October 22nd, 2009 at 3:02 pmMy money is that Rep Broun thought a bill of attainder is some kind of exotic oriental cuisine.
October 22nd, 2009 at 3:03 pmRich H says:
Letting the system work, when he’s said many times he’ll sign any bill as long as it’s some type of reform, isn’t actually leading, is it?
I really don’t think that President Obama has ever said anything close to this. It’s just your interpretation and what you want to believe.
October 22nd, 2009 at 3:04 pmThanks Fred,
As you may recall my family has had alot of experience with the pitfalls of the insurance industry. So to myself and many many others, this issue is somewhat personal. Even if we receive no benefit, it would be nice to think what passes could help others in the future.
I too have my fingers crossed. And I’ll also admit I’m worried about what will be contained in the final bill. That’s the reason I believe he should show a little more passion.
Of course we all hope for the best.
October 22nd, 2009 at 3:04 pmLooks like the Dems picked up a few good rookies in last year’s draft…ah, election. Harry should be feeling a bit nervous about holding down his starting position.
October 22nd, 2009 at 3:06 pmZaid…
October 22nd, 2009 at 3:06 pmYou might want to edit your transcript so that it more fully reflects the actual floor debate, because you left out some very tasty bits where Grayson is so bitingly dismissive of Sensenbrenner and the other Rep who tried to interrupt. Just an idea that might make the text as compelling as the video.
Say it out loud: Speaker of the House Alan Grayson
I think Polosi is OK, but too entrenched in the system. Grayson cuts through the crap in an absolutely refreshing way.
This, of course, is only until he can become a Senator and take over Reid’s job.
October 22nd, 2009 at 3:06 pmThat settles it, I am moving to the Orlando area. Just once, before I die, I want to have representation I can be proud of.
October 22nd, 2009 at 3:10 pmWhy isn’t this guy a Senator?
October 22nd, 2009 at 3:13 pmBilbo,
I don’t have time to research, but he and his aides have said he will sign what comes before him as long as it is progress. Unless of course, his aides are lowering expectations for inexplicable reason.
October 22nd, 2009 at 3:13 pmWOW!
GO Alan Grayson!
YOU SIR are what America is supposed to be about.
“The Georgia Republican was unable to offer a coherent rebuttal”
LOLOL and Duh! Broun is another GOPeer idiot and mouthpiece. He doesn’t know squat…only what the talking points are from the Rushpublicans.
YOU can tell him he’s a mouthpiece tool here:
http://broun.house.gov/Contact/
or
Washington D.C. Office
325 Cannon House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515
Phone: (202) 225-4101
Fax: (202) 226-0776
District Offices:
Augusta / Evans District Office
Mailing Address:
4246 Washington Road, Suite 6
Evans, GA 30809
Phone: 706-447-3857
Fax: 706-868-8756
Athens District Office
3706 Atlanta Highway, Suite 3B
Athens, GA 30606
Phone: 706-549-9588
Fax: 706-549-9590
Toccoa District Office
October 22nd, 2009 at 3:18 pm194 Remsdale Street
Toccoa, GA 30577
Phone: 706-886-1008
Fax: 706-886-1009
The rep from Georgia is absolutely WRONG!
Bills of Attainder are EXPLICITLY forbidden by the US Constitution….period. Check it…Article 9 Sec. 3..here’s the quote “No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed”..
Pretty simple, even for someone from Georgia…
October 22nd, 2009 at 3:19 pmAl Franken and Alan Greyson need to be the benchmark for Democrats we elect to congress. These freshmen congressmen are 2 of very few Democrats that have spines and are actually working to change the way Washington works. I just wish President Obama would grow a set like these two have.
We need to replace every Blue Dog and republican with men of their quality. If there are any Democrats or aides that read this website to get the truth I hope they grow a spine and follow these great men. They make me proud to be an American.
October 22nd, 2009 at 3:31 pmYou guys are still voting me down. I only get my news from MSNBC, ThinkProgress, the Huffington Post, Crooks and Liars, John Stewart and other “progressive” web sites.
I guess you think I’m making it up when I say Obama has signaled in virtually every appearance that he will sign reform as long as it is reform – that he will see if the public option is included or not – that he’s perfectly willing to let congress and the senate work their magic and he will see what they come up with.
Yes, I’d like him to have more balls. And if you question where I get the news – it’s the same place as you.
October 22nd, 2009 at 4:05 pmFranken-Grayson 2016!
October 22nd, 2009 at 4:14 pmRich H says: I only get my news from MSNBC, ThinkProgress, the Huffington Post, Crooks and Liars, John Stewart and other “progressive” web sites….And if you question where I get the news – it’s the same place as you.
Rich,
I must dispute your claim as to where I get my news from. I read multiple sources, even conservative news organizations. I personally believe that all of the cable news stations are the same. They have to fill 24 hours and they have to get ratings. When you combine those there is a lot more opinion than fact involved and that is bad. Now, Fox takes an active role in trying to shape the news stories they present and outright lie. MSNBC has been taken to task many times by Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert, but the main point about those two is they are not legitimate news organizations and never claim to be. They are purely entertainment and make no attempts to disguise that fact. To say you get your news from entertainment over legitimate news organizations is just dumb.
If you want to be able to make an informed opinion on the events happening in the world you have to open your mind to all legitimate news organizations, even the ones that cover the stories you may not want them to.
And as for your opinions about Obama, they are just that. Opinions and you are free to have your own. Just please become informed before you voice that opinion please.
October 22nd, 2009 at 4:15 pmHey! You guys! All the rest of you elected Dems!!
October 22nd, 2009 at 4:23 pmAre you paying attention??
This is how a real Democrat acts; this is how he takes down his opponents; this is what happens when you have truth and facts on your side. Quit thinking about the comfort of your lobbyist friends, and think about what’s right.
chrilvb,
O.k so I also get my news from BBC America. I don’t listen to FOX because what they have is not news. I totally disagree that I need other news sources – as the ones I pay attention to provide FACTS and DETAILS. Not lies and illusion.
As for me making things up, see the above post and disregard it if you like, but the truth is the truth. Obama has signaled many times he is open to compromise, it’s come from his mouth and his aides.
Why anyone wants to dispute this is beyond me.
October 22nd, 2009 at 4:40 pmAnd by the way, that’s it. You wanted links – you’ve got them.
You’ve got some that dispute mine, go ahead and post them.
October 22nd, 2009 at 4:41 pmWOW!!!!!!!!!!!! You go dude!! Grayson is the man. Hey Democrats, take some frigging notes. This is how you bytch slap the republicans.. Thank you Mr Grayson.
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What a breath of fresh air this guy Grayson is. Democrats need to look to Franken and Grayson to see how Democrats should be doing things. I don’t know how he plays in his district, but I hope they know they have a guy who is doing the right thing for them. My hats off to the people who voted him into office. Now all we need is about 200 more of these two guys in congress.
October 22nd, 2009 at 5:01 pmchrislvb,
What’s wrong, your superior news sources can’t contradict what I’ve posted?
Oh and please, before you post anything, please inform us that It’s Just Your Opinion.
And by the way, all I pointed out was his willingness to compromise and how worrisome it is to me, that we don’t know what the final bill will be, and that he’s not a strong enough leader on this.
Yes, It’s My Opinion. I’ve backed it up. How about you?
Don’t be so insulting Mr. I’m more informed than you. What an ahole.
October 22nd, 2009 at 5:09 pmkwsventures, please post some facts and links as to were Acorn has broken any laws to prove your point. It seems that the only people who broke any laws were the two clowns who ran a scam, and then broke the law by recording people without their knowledge.
October 22nd, 2009 at 5:10 pmGrayson: and I will point out that what you just you would not agree to is from a Supreme Court case called the United States v. Brown, something I would expect you might know about, given your name.
It’s called a b*tch slap to Braun. Grayson is a breath of fresh air and calls a spade a spade. Grayson should be cloned. Seriously, I get irritated of many of the lawmakers that won’t call a spade a spade, can’t find their brains, and cave in to the Party of Nimrods.
October 22nd, 2009 at 5:13 pmRich H,
You are too funny. I merely made a point that only viewing opinions from one side of a debate is not looking at the entire issue. I am not defending Fox news, and I am not defending MSNBC or CNN. As for my expression of my opinion or notifying you of that expression, I believe my exact words were, “I personally believe that….” For someone that is so high and mighty, I think that is exactly what that statement means. I never once advocated that you listen to Fox. I actually said specifically, “Fox takes an active role in trying to shape the news stories they present and outright lie.” I would never tell anyone to watch Fox for anything other than a laugh. But on the reverse, I would never tell anyone to watch MSNBC or CNN because IN MY OPINION they are all the same for the reasons I gave.
As for your comment on Obama, I didn’t dispute that. And I never accused you of making things up. I think you just jumped to conclusions because someone challenged you (notice I said I think. That is stating that I am voicing my opinion) I just left that as it was your opinion and am still doing so. Next time read my comment before you go calling someone names. I am sorry that I bruised your fragile ego.
October 22nd, 2009 at 5:31 pmchris,
Your too funny. Post opinion much?
October 22nd, 2009 at 5:45 pmThis doesn’t even count as a “real” debate, because in an actual debate, the person against something actually gives a coherent reason of why they are against someone else after the other person speaks(a.k.a. a counter-argument, I think, but please correct me if I’m wrong). The only reason he keeps dodging the question is that he can’t answer it, since it requires some thinking (what a concept, I know!).
October 22nd, 2009 at 5:46 pmchris,
on your first post addressing me
“And as for your opinions about Obama, they are just that. Opinions and you are free to have your own. Just please become informed before you voice that opinion please.”
And you think I’m being unreasonable – and ill informed. Then you assail me for taking offense.
Man, get a clue.
October 22nd, 2009 at 5:54 pmThis guy is the BS slicer that we have needed for years. Finally someone who is willing to counter the endless continuum of crap that we endure and pay for.
October 22nd, 2009 at 7:41 pmLadies and Gentlemen…We have a NEW Lion. And He’s a Democrat
October 22nd, 2009 at 8:29 pmRep. Grayson has, in my opinion, the most impressive grasp of Constitutional Law I have ever seen. Broun never knew what hit him. Grayson stood his ground and could do so because he knew what he is about. His final statement was devastating!
October 22nd, 2009 at 9:17 pmAnd wholly accurate.
kwsventures says:
Want advice how to start a prostitution business? Just call ACORN.</em
OR you could call the Bush Crime Family.
During Poppy’s “reign” they ran a teenage call-boy operation for their gay buddies…
http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/franklin.htm
Yup…
Come on, KWS, were you ONE of the clients?
October 22nd, 2009 at 9:21 pmAhhh…what we have needed for so long. A new “Mr Grayson Goes to Washington.” Today, we are all Floridians.
October 22nd, 2009 at 9:27 pmkwsventures says:
Want advice how to start a prostitution business? Just call ACORN.
You mean the folks that “called the police”? If only GOP organizations were so “moral” maybe wallstreet wouldn’t be in the sh***ter? LOL! ;)
October 22nd, 2009 at 10:40 pmAwww, Grayson is a Constitutional Scholar!!!
The Gov’t going after AIG bonuses they approved of before they disapproved of = NOT a Bill of Attainder
Refusing to fund ACORN = Bill of Attainder
Someone should ask Grayson where in the Constitution it gives the government the right to FORCE you to buy health insurance, but I digress…
This ACORN thing is fake outrage from Grayson anyway, the money is set to start flowing again in November.
Someone is being an attention whore.
October 22nd, 2009 at 10:53 pm#55 A Patriot Acting,
B I N G O !
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October 23rd, 2009 at 2:35 amOff the main topic, but Rep. Broun is the Dr. who – at Broun’s Town Hall told the man with severe depression to go to the emergency room if he needed treatment.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/01/broun-emergency-room/
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:04 amThank you Mr Grayson. Though Democrats like to think what you are doing demonstrates that you have a spine. I disagree. You are simply doing the job you were sent there to do and you are not a complicit corporist like a large portion of your party.
This is not about balls or spines. It is about not being complicit with crimes against 98% of us.
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:38 amYa want advice on how to be an ignorant brainwashed pile of dogshit? Just ask Dr Venture
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:07 pmOf course it is clear that what the right REALLY hates about ACORN is they help poor people and people of color and sign them up to vote. The right HATES poor people and people of color and ESPECIALLY hate to see them voting
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:09 pmOctober 26th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Boo!
October 26th, 2009 at 6:52 pm