Perino: Obama’s Criticism Of Fox Is Akin To Chavez’s Tactics, Sets A Bad Example For ‘Emerging Democracies’
Perino: Obama’s Criticism Of Fox Is Akin To Chavez’s Tactics, Sets A Bad Example For ‘Emerging Democracies’
Today on Fox News Sunday, host Chris Wallace made sure to devote plenty of time to covering President Obama’s “war on Fox News”; he even played a clip of Sean Connery as Jim Malone “The Untouchables” talking about “the Chicago way” of getting things done. Former Bush press secretary Dana Perino sharply criticized the Obama administration’s tactics and expressed absolute shock at the example the United States was setting for “the free press in emerging democracies,” comparing the criticisms of Fox News to when “Hugo Chavez shuts down television stations”:
PERINO: That was a coordinated, calculated attack. It was unbecoming. And if you look at some of the coverage of what mainstream media covers when, for example, somebody like a Hugo Chavez shuts down television stations, he calls them illegitimate.
Now, I’m not suggesting that this White House believes that they are going to come over here and shut down Fox News. But they are defining a narrative in their first year, and it’s going to be very hard to recover from it. [...]
Through our State Department, we are trying to help emerging democracies get journalists and government officials to talk to one another, because freedom of the press is essential to any democracy. Believe me, they are watching this, and they have — surely are raising questions.
Watch it:
The Obama administration, according to Reporters Without Borders, is actually setting quite a strong example of press freedom for the world. In 2008, the organization found that in terms of press freedom, the U.S. ranked 36th out of 173 countries. Its report singled out “wars carried out in the name of the fight against terrorism” as a cause for the steep decline in press freedoms around the world. Just one year later, the United States has jumped from 36th to 20th. “Barack Obama’s election as president and the fact that he has a less hawkish approach than his predecessor have had a lot to do with this,” concluded Reporters Without Borders.
So what type of example did the Bush administration set? A few lowlights:
– The Pentagon had a secret program to use retired military analysts to “generate favorable news coverage of the administration’s wartime performance.” Most of these analysts had “ties to military contractors vested in the very war policies they are asked to assess on air.” When the “message machine” became public, Perino defended the program as “absolutely appropriate.”
– The U.S. military was “secretly paying Iraqi newspapers to publish stories written by American troops in an effort to burnish the image of the U.S. mission in Iraq.” The articles contained anonymous quotes from U.S. military officials — which may or may not have been authentic — and “read more like press releases than news stories.”
– The Education Department paid conservative pundit Armstrong Williams hundreds of thousands of dollars to promote Bush’s No Child Left Behind law. Even after the corruption was uncovered, the administration defended it as “a permissible use of taxpayer funds.”
– The Government Accountability Office found that the Bush administration violated anti-propaganda laws when it disguised two promotional ads — on federal drug policy and Medicare — as news reports. The “reports” aired on dozens of stations, and the GAO “faulted the administration for distributing seemingly independent, ready-to-air reports that did not inform viewers that they came from the government.”
Bush also called a New York Times reporter “a major league asshole” — and never apologized. In fact, Bush never gave the NYT a single interview throughout his presidency. (Update: Bush gave the New York Times interviews in 2001, 2004, and 2005.) The White House frequently went after NBC News, and Perino has admitted that they essentially froze out MSNBC “towards the end.”
Transcript:
WALLACE: Enough. I’m tired of asking my wacky question. I want to turn to one last thing, and that is the latest chapter in the Obama White House’s war on Fox News and what some people are calling the administration’s Chicago way of doing business.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SEAN CONNERY AS JIM MALONE: He pulls a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That’s the Chicago way.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WALLACE: That’s the Chicago way. You’ve got to love Sean Connery in that.
Dana, the latest chapter in the Chicago way was that the administration made an effort this week to use the White House pool — that’s the — all the five major networks — to try to exclude Fox from interviewing pay czar Ken Feinberg.
The White House now says, Well, it was just an honest mistake. Question: When you were in the Bush White House, did you ever try to do that against CBS when they were trashing President Bush? Or do you know of any White House that’s ever tried to use the White House pool to eliminate somebody, to kick somebody out?
PERINO: Certainly not with the pool. I mean, there are ways to exclude doing interviews with other networks, such as what happened to Fox News about four weeks ago when President Obama did all the other networks and decided not to do this one.
But you never use the pool. It’s a huge no-no. And I was glad to see that the reporters in the — in the room decided to stand up and have solidarity, because they could be next in this Chicago-style way.
WALLACE: And what do you make — it was happening as we were on the air a week ago today — of Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod going on other Sunday talk shows and, in effect, lecturing the mainstream media Fox is not a legitimate news organization and don’t follow them?
PERINO: That was a coordinated, calculated attack. It was unbecoming. And if you look at some of the coverage of what mainstream media covers when, for example, somebody like a Hugo Chavez shuts down television stations, he calls them illegitimate.
Now, I’m not suggesting that this White House believes that they are going to come over here and shut down Fox News. But they are defining a narrative in their first year, and it’s going to be very hard to recover from it.
The best thing they could do is try to find a way to, you know, give a — send out an olive branch, try to get this behind them and to move on.
WALLACE: You were telling me earlier — and we’ve only got about 45 seconds left — that you deal with the free press in emerging democracies and you worry about the message being sent.
PERINO: Every — everyone across the world watches and listens to everything that the White House is saying.
Through our State Department, we are trying to help emerging democracies get journalists and government officials to talk to one another, because freedom of the press is essential to any democracy. Believe me, they are watching this, and they have –surely are raising questions.
And the next time we go to them and say, You want to make sure that you have reporters covering this, they’ll say, Why should we do that? You don’t.
WALLACE: Thank you, Dana.
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Perino doesnt add balance she takes away from it.
October 25th, 2009 at 2:49 pmSee, even Wallace calls opinion programming ‘news’. Hah.
October 25th, 2009 at 2:50 pmQuick, somebody call the “waaaaaaah-mbulence”, the Faux News kooks have their panties in a wad.
Obama knows how to play idiots like a finely tuned fiddle!
October 25th, 2009 at 2:52 pmOh frack, give it a break.
Throw Dana out with the rest of the bathwater. Who gives a rat’s arse what she thinks. And who give a frack that she’s talking to Chris Wallace. They’re both idiots.
October 25th, 2009 at 2:53 pmToday on Fox News Sunday, host Chris Wallace made sure to devote plenty of time to covering President Obama’s “war on Fox News”; he even played a clip of Sean Connery as Jim Malone “The Untouchables” talking about “the Chicago way” of getting things done.
As a resident of Chicago I am insulted. If Obama was doing things the Chicago way, the health care bill with a public option, cap and trade, card check and repeal of DADT would have been passed and signed by the end of his first week in office. Then Obama would have time to work on other problems like Afghanistan and Iraq.
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Okay, so this doesn’t actually count as a story about an irresponsible statement from a former Bush administration figure.
Dana is too insignificant. So chalk up this one to just a story of amusing self-blindness.
October 25th, 2009 at 2:56 pmDana is insignificant but silly much like kwsventures is insignificant but silly.
October 25th, 2009 at 2:58 pmBlow me b*tch.
Perino was complicit in the worst propoganda administration since Stalin. The innocent blood on her hands should give her pause but I am sure it doesn’t.
Why are these pukes free to roam the streets, much less on TV?
October 25th, 2009 at 2:58 pmProject and lie with a smile. Nobody does it better than the repubs.
October 25th, 2009 at 2:59 pmShocking…a conservative teabagger defending Faux and attacking a Democratic administration. And Faux still “thinks” they are actually a news network and is “fair and balanced”. Laughable.
October 25th, 2009 at 3:00 pmPerino is the cheerleader for the Bush Team
October 25th, 2009 at 3:00 pmGimme an I, Gimme an O, Gimme a K, Gimme an I, Gimme a Y, Gimme an A, Gimme an R.
No. Mr. Olbermann was never invited to the WH when adolf dubyah (R-Nazi) was in office. But, plenty of anti-American teabagging conservative hate talkers were invited.
October 25th, 2009 at 3:02 pmAnd cappucino Perino is so reliable a source. LOL!
October 25th, 2009 at 3:02 pmI’m with Dr Matt, point this out to the media that defends fox.
October 25th, 2009 at 3:03 pmkwsventures says:
Jack Abramoff was at the WH to visit the Bush Crime Family over 100 times, before he was convicted and sent to prison. ROF!
October 25th, 2009 at 3:06 pmlyin bioch. Can you say Helen Thomas?
October 25th, 2009 at 3:08 pmTell me when faux had on Clinton’s administration when chimpy was screwing the world?
faux is pulling out chimpy’s failed admin to set the record straight. This is laughable.
October 25th, 2009 at 3:08 pmDr Venture not only are you an incredibly STUPID pile of dogshit you are an ignorant punkass troll. Why dont you just STFU and let the adults talk. You KNOW you are too stupid to contribute to an actual conversation
October 25th, 2009 at 3:09 pmI have a feeling that Bimbo Purina’s memory works with a 20 minute tape. Once the knowledge goes to long-term storage it’s rarely recovered in usable form. I would love to hear her answer the same questions that Bible Spice faced from Katie Couric. I have a feeling that, without programed responses, she would look just as ridiculous.
October 25th, 2009 at 3:10 pmFOX should be more concerned they couldn’t prop up the failed Bush White House for longer than they did. Without FOX, there would not be an Obama Presidency, health care reform, or place for Dick Cheney to be the face of all these Republican failures.
October 25th, 2009 at 3:10 pmralph the wonder llama says:
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Dana is insignificant but silly much like kwsventures is insignificant but silly.
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October 25th, 2009 at 3:12 pmHe’s an arrogant little pos, too.
One thing to keep in mind, always, is that legitimate news outlets won’t touch useless morons like Perino. Or Dick Cheney, for that matter. Unless, of course, CBS decided to do a special on the Cuban Missile Crisis. Then you’d want to get an expert like Dana on for the best perspective.
October 25th, 2009 at 3:16 pmFox opinion programming works with lobbyists to create astroturf campaigns that are then used by politicians to claim that such and such legislation is unpopular/popular.
October 25th, 2009 at 3:17 pmDick Cheney lectures on foreign policy.
October 25th, 2009 at 3:24 pmDana Perino lectures on freedom of the press.
What’s next from FOX?
Berny Madoff investment advice?
I recall thata Jeffy Gannon, Talon News, was used to lob softball, pre-rehearsed questions. I also recall that Scotty Mc said that the WH issued talking points to SOX News
October 25th, 2009 at 3:25 pmDana Perino
We you spoke of “setting a bad example for emerging democracies I believe you got the wrong administration. I honestly don’t think the Cheney/Bush years were water shed for Democratic principles. On the contrary, FOX News reminds me of a third world mouth piece for the government, the only big difference is “you guys lost”.
I think Obama is correct for calling FOX for what it is, Not a legitimate news organization, a mouth for the Republican Party.
October 25th, 2009 at 3:25 pmMethinks Perino connects the dots as well as Beck; there’s some strange reasoning going on.
October 25th, 2009 at 3:25 pmGee, I’ve never known Obama or his cohorts to do the familiar banana republic machismo of closing down a newspaper or radio or TV station for opposing (or not placating) him…
And, who CARES what this has-been says anyway??
October 25th, 2009 at 3:25 pmLOVE IT, 25!!
October 25th, 2009 at 3:26 pmDon’t Obama and the others in the White House have a right to FREE SPEECH as much any any American, or at least as much as a “News” channel?
They have just as much Right to say what THEY think as Murdoch or Glen Beck.
October 25th, 2009 at 3:28 pmShe is *such* the idiot!
HOW can these people, go out in public, and say this stupid sh*t! Un-freaking-believable.
I guess…that they are SO sheltered in their hater, birther, tenther, ilker, churcher worlds…that they truly don’t see or hear how “DUH” they are.
October 25th, 2009 at 3:34 pm¿Oh, and what kind of ´example´is Fox News setting?
October 25th, 2009 at 3:42 pm.
But the Bush White House going after dessenters and advocates for Justice isn’t sending any messages to dictators across the world?
Oh, and while Dana is making comparrissons…
… Then Bush = HITLER?
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October 25th, 2009 at 3:47 pmI thought FoxSnooze could never sink lower than retaining Little Billy Krystol all these years. But they really jumped the shark with Dana Bimborino today. They would have brought Tony Snow back…but he’s dead already. Bimborino is just dead from the neck up.
October 25th, 2009 at 3:49 pmThis is so stupid. Does Faux News honestly think it’s winning here? All week the MSM is going on and on what a mistake the House House is making going after Faux. That’s bullsh*t plain and simple. Faux should let it go, because people DO see Faux as partisan. As for Perino. Well what did we expect? She;s a Repug shill who lied to the American people on a daily basis.
October 25th, 2009 at 3:49 pmWhich rock did PERINO crawl out of? She’s an accomplice with the Bush Republican/Conservative Crime Family and should be in jail just like the rest of them.
October 25th, 2009 at 3:52 pmWingnut Extremist Fox ‘Always Lie and Blame the Liberals’ News is a Terrorist organization that has continually spearheaded a “coordinated, calculated attack” on Democrat’s and the freedoms of all Americans. News, what news? The Evil Fox Fake News has done everything in it’s power to promote fear, hate, lies, bigotry and Violence and should be exposed for their criminal Fascist/Conservative agenda.
“freedom of the press”? “journalists”? What is she talking about? Faux News is not a news organization.
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Perino you lying sack of cr@p. Fox is such a robust propaganda arm it makes Pravda look lame. Putin is probably trying to steal their trade secrets for Russia.
October 25th, 2009 at 3:54 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Alejandro you are a right wing punk just like any other troll. Nobody is fooled by your reach around tactic of badmouthing the president with obscure references. You must actually work for Fox.
October 25th, 2009 at 3:58 pmb-cup, I’m sorry, I just don’t have the patience to indulge your “on the other hand” apologistics today.
The idea that free people are not still free top decide on their own what is credible and what is not if the administration points out the obvious is just stupid.
Frankly, you sound a little like our friend the Stall Man.
October 25th, 2009 at 3:59 pmGee backup people like you would never vote for President Obama. So I really don’t think your opinion on what he should do matters. His supporters have had enough of the lies and propaganda and hate that Fox is selling. But you wouldn’t understand.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:00 pmEmerging democracies ? Where ? Iraq ? Afghanistan ?
Yeah right. The people in those countries know the only truth
comes from Al Jazeera.
They could give a rat’s derriere about Faux News.
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Shayne, don’t you love b-cup’s implied claim that what Faux News viewers are really looking for is “credibility”?
October 25th, 2009 at 4:03 pmI wasn’t talking about the source Alejandro, but I’m sure you know that. I was talking about the “adviser” that says Sharia law is misunderstood.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:04 pmAs I’ve said.. and this article points out – The white house criticizing fixed news as not being a news organization is a bold push for a free press.. not the reverse.
And in Fox’s response to the white house criticizing them for not being news – what do they do? they portray the president as a gangster in the mob… ironic? nope.. not really.. thats just Fox being Fox.. contributing their intellectually dishonest and morally bankrupt perspective..
And they still don’t understand that this isn’t news…
October 25th, 2009 at 4:05 pmRichard Stall MAN
YOU are an ignorant pile of dogshit. Like MOST brainwashed rightwing morons. Also like them you are a liar and an imbecile
October 25th, 2009 at 4:06 pmSpeaking of fascism, Fauxnews sold the free willed people of America
October 25th, 2009 at 4:08 pma unpre-empted war like it was coca-cola.
Yeah ralph but backedup is still less dishonest than Alejandro.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:09 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
advice to Perino:
Go to this web site, TP and listen to progressive radio radio… then when you have the real facts begin opening your mouth.
So sad to see a young person publicly make a fool of herself through ignorance.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:11 pmhmm.. the video clip isn’t working – guess Obama blocked it..
=)
October 25th, 2009 at 4:12 pmPerino had no credibility when she was working for Bush and she has even less credibility now. Obviously, Perino is unable to find job except doing interviews for Fox Opinion Network.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:12 pmAh NO backup
The first amendment denies the gov the right to make religious arguments. There is NO reason the Obama administration should not point out the OBVIOUS fact that Fox is NOT news, is NOT credible, and is ONLY a propaganda arm of the GOP. The people have a RIGHT to know how THEIR airwaves are being used. The ONLY way it would be wrong for the Obama administration to say this is if it were NOT true. Since it is they are doing the right thing
October 25th, 2009 at 4:12 pmObama & his people did not COMPEL anyone to do or think anything regarding Fox News. They simply stated their opinions, which are very accurate statements of Fact.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:13 pmPerino,
October 25th, 2009 at 4:14 pmHow did it feel to work with George “Chavez” Walker Bush? If anyone knows about the abuse of power, you do.
Fox News slandered and vilified ACORN and Van Jones unfairly. And eventually they convinced the so called MSM to follow their lead. I thought we hat courts to decide who was guilty but insteand Fox wants to decide who runs the country through the court of public opinion being fed their constant string of lies.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:15 pmThis is from someone who had to have the cuban missle crisis explained to her while she was in the position of the press secratary to the president. The Republican march of the uninformed marches on!
October 25th, 2009 at 4:16 pmbackup, get back to us when President Obama pull Fox off the sair, idiot.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:17 pmIt’s just not the business of our executive branch.
So the executive branch doesn’t have freedom of speech? They can’t say, we would rather not waste our time talking to people who have been pushing an anti-administration policy from day one? Isn’t that contrary to all those free market ideas where people get to make their own choices?
October 25th, 2009 at 4:17 pmEarth to Stallman, come in Stallman.
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Backup… they simply said it’s not a legitimate news organization – and it’s not. Your analogy about artwork is nice and all.. but it has no real parallel. No one in the administration is seeking to have FOX removed.. they’re simply saying they are a 24 political opinion machine – WHICH THEY ARE.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:17 pmI believe that most people feel that the administration’s trying to decide for us who is credible and who isn’t,
Your lock step is showing. The administration is expressing their opinion. Just like the media…they report, you decide.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:20 pmbackup your argument is plainly inane. When they try to take their licence to broadcast THEN you can make that argument. When they say it is un-American to watch FOX news you will BEGIN to have an argument. Telling us what the TRUTH, that Fox is propaganda and only interested in attacking them regardless of reality is NOT doing anything wrong. First they are right. Second it does NOTHING to deny people the right to make their own decisions. Your bloviating notwithstanding your argument is frankly ridiculous hyperbole
October 25th, 2009 at 4:21 pmgrr.. i meant 24 ‘hr’ political machine. Damn I hate typos..
What is crucial to keeping freedom of the press is keeping the press HONEST. Who better to take a poke at those who distribute nothing but misinformation and call it news than the White House? Yes, I understand it’s slightly reaching.. but It was a couple very innocuous statements that have been blown into something ridiculous. They ARE NOT A LEGITIMATE NEWS ORGANIZATION — this isn’t even debatable!! they don’t fact check.. they blatantly lie and distort – they don’t put on anyone who doesn’t support their agenda, in short they are a propaganda machine. NOT NEWS.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:23 pmSit on it and twirl, Dana.
Fox lies, morons believe it.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:24 pmIt’s certainly fitting that the press secretary who had no idea what the Cuban Missile Crisis was, would be working for
October 25th, 2009 at 4:25 pmhoax news.
#54 backup says:
“If progressives want to attack the credibility of Fox, more power to them.
It’s just not the business of our executive branch.”
Junior and his ‘executive branch’ have never criticized the media?
Bullchit. There are more than enough examples of their disdain, if not downright hatred for those who attempted to tell the truth about the lies of the junior bush administration.
Look at it this way: If I (or anyone else) were to constantly denigrate you and your family, or your business, or your work, or co-workers, or anything about you for that matter, don’t you think it would be grindingly annoying? Do you think you might say something to the person or persons who were constantly lying about you?
It’s like that man, after a while, you’re going to react–it’s human nature. And don’t hand me that old canard about “…it’s different for a president/staffer because they are in the executive branch.” It’s not different. Enough is enough and it’s about time someone called bullchit on the rancid liars at fox.
That is all.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:28 pmRighwingers are so used to just believing what they are TOLD to believe they actually make the argument that Obama telling people what HE thinks of Fox is COERCING them in some unfathomable way. Liberals used to thinking for ourselves find that argument astonishingly dumb
October 25th, 2009 at 4:30 pmAll of our MSM is hopeless. Faux news DOES introduce many non-stories and MSM picks it up. I barely heard a peep about the victory Frankin in the Senate. You hardly heard about Obama signing the Bill to help veterans. What do we hear about? Friggin ACORN and Van Jones. What about the Sanford and Ensign scandals? Nothing! If they were DEMOCRATS MSM would be all over it.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:30 pmA “credibility lecture” from someone in the Bush Administration? Wow. Just WOW.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:31 pmThere is a bit of a disconnect going on these days. The past 8 years have been like an airplane taking off. “Please fasten your seatbelts and place your tray tables and seats in the full upright and locked position. Turn off all cell phones and personal electronic devices. The cabin attendants will inform you of what you are to do in the event of a water landing. Thank you for flying Repiggie Airlines.”
The problem we have today is the rest of the message. “We have reached our cruising altitude and the Captain has turned off the seat belt sign. Please feel free to move about the cabin.”
October 25th, 2009 at 4:32 pmInteresting….after all this time I still hear “Oink oink oink George Bush is great, oink blah blah oink oink OINK” when Dana Perino speaks.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:34 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
backup
Your strawman argument is ridiculous. Exactly how would it even be POSSIBLE for an administration to decide what is news? It is just stupid. As for who they let into the pool. That IS their decision. Its that simple. They do it all the time. If I started a newspaper here in Flagstaff does that mean I would have the RIGHT to a pool assignment? Fox ISNT NEWS. They havent been for a long time. They dont DESERVE a pool assignment. Whether they ARE denied or not is irrelevant. They are PURE propaganda. Next you will be snivelling that the National Inquirer doesnt have a pool spot.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:40 pmHere’s the trailer for “Outfoxed“. I searched YouTube for a version showing a similar liberal slant for the other cable and network news broadcasts but couldn’t find one. I did not try any of the ultra right wing sights such as “RedState” and “Hotair”. I leave that to backup. He knows where the hate sites are and has linked to them in the past.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:42 pmflight says:
Dana Perino
We you spoke of “setting a bad example for emerging democracies I believe you got the wrong administration. I honestly don’t think the Cheney/Bush years were water shed for Democratic principles.
lol.. Bush contributed a lot to emerging democracies.. well, if by that you mean 100 ton bunker busters.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:42 pmFauxnews is owned and operated for no other purpose than manipulating public sympathy for the political agendas of republican party leaders. It is the very definition of propaganda, not editorial opinion. Their constent barrage of misinformation, and slander of the president of the United States, places them on the boundry of sedition.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:44 pmThe results of their actions have far exceeded it.
backup: This is not a monumental issue. It was a mistake. I don’t fault the administration for being upset with Fox reporting (it’s biased and partisan). It is just not within their authority to be the arbiter of what is, or is not, news.
It’s not within their authority to have opinions? Not within their authority to have policies? Is this a joke?
It is not within the authority of the Executive branch to close down a network because the network is a propaganda outlet for “conservatives” but it’s ridiculous to claim they don’t have the authority to state the obvious: you cannot take FoxNews seriously as a news outlet.
Fox has been getting away with this behavior for years now, and it’s long past time someone called them on it.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:44 pmThis is the next step backup. Bush and his cronies silenced all dissenters. Obama isn’t doing that. He’s just pointing out that the outlet that enabled the crimes of the Bush family are still trying to give power to the criminals.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:45 pmHarold Melvin, how are the Blue Notes doing?
October 25th, 2009 at 4:45 pmIs there any truth to the rumor that Richard Stallman hangs around airport men’s rooms and has met up with other conservative republiscum politicians there?
October 25th, 2009 at 4:47 pmIt is just not within their authority to be the arbiter of what is, or is not, news.
Au contraire. It is well within their authority to express an informed opinion. Just as it is within the authority of the challenged source to present their rebuttal.
So far the rebuttal is waaaahhhhh, the White House says we are naughty.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:48 pmDon’t mind my dove bar. What she means by ‘emerging democracies’ is “new red states.”
October 25th, 2009 at 4:52 pmI’m also searching for similar complaints by backup of the Bush administration and their documented attempts to suppress and pervert the press. Just can’t find anything backup said about “Jeff Gannon” the notorious male prostitute who regularly attended Bush White House press briefings (and was called on for an unbiased question). But I’ll keep searching. I’m sure there’s something he wrote about it here, isn’t there?
October 25th, 2009 at 4:52 pmShayne, a man who knows his music!
October 25th, 2009 at 4:54 pmb-cup is once again making up her own reality, you anti-American terrorist. Where did the WH ever once claim they are trying to eliminate faux from the press pool? You’re such a pile of sh*t, you f**king loser.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:55 pmI have to admit… if Obama did pull Fox off the air… I would be conflicted…. and also Think Progress would have very few articles.. hmm.. infringement of free speech or sanity.. I’m going with sanity.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:56 pmBut GHWB goes on TV and attacks people calling them sick puppies. I sense a double hypocrite standard here.
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You know what is the funniest thing about this? The way CNN and Faux News are brawling. You have a war of the words between Lou Dobbs and John Stossel AND Geraldo. CNN’s Latino in American was a ratings bomb.
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There was no signing statement, or executive order or any legislation put forward by anyone making a final judgement on if they are news or not. By FNs own words they are opinion programming so Gibbs was correct in stating that fox, the Aisles wing of Newscorp, is not ‘news’
October 25th, 2009 at 5:01 pmbackup, get it through your head. The White House didn’t pick a fight. They just said they didn’t perceive Faux as a valid news outlet. Faux is the one picking the fight because they aren’t.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:03 pmOh by the way if anyone from the White House lied about Fox or in any way tried to stop them from doing business please document it for us here (something like this*). Links to responsible sights would be gratefully appreciated. I just checked a minute ago and Fox News is still cranking out the propaganda with plenty of commercials to go along with it.
*In an effort to check it out, Bernstein called Mitchell directly, reaching him at a hotel in New York, where Mitchell answered the phone himself. When Carl told him about the story, Mitchell exploded with an exclamation of “JEEEEEEESUS,” so violent that Carl felt it was “some sort of primal scream” and thought Mitchell might die on the telephone. After he’d read him the first two paragraphs, Mitchell interrupted, still screaming, “All that crap, you’re putting it in the paper? It’s all been denied. Katie Graham’s gonna get her tit caught in a big fat wringer if that’s published. Good Christ! That’s the most sickening thing I ever heard.”
– “Personal History” by Katharine Graham, chairman of the executive committee and former publisher of The Washington Post
October 25th, 2009 at 5:03 pmVery true Hoodathunk… would any respectable NEWS organization react the way they have…? It’s proven the point nicely.
I imagine they’ll milk this for the rest of his presidency.. and why is that? Because they are a political propaganda machine! NOT A NEWS ORGANIZATION.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:05 pm95, So can you. And we vote you down. And you understand why; you’re selling – no one’s buying.
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What is wrong with Repub idiots/airheads like Perino?? They make the most absurd comparisons & expect everyone to believe their tripe. Don’t they know it’s just the less than 20% of Americans (Repub/tea-bagger sheep) that listen & believe? The rest of us are so sick of her lies, Repub lies, tea-bagger lies….
October 25th, 2009 at 5:07 pmPerino’s criticism of Obama is akin to Repubs’ belief that women should be gang-raped by their companies with no possibility to sue. There. We can all play at Perino’s nonsensical comparisons.
“Well the other members of the TV pool said, ‘Well we’re not going to do the interview unless Fox News is included.”
Then it should have been a real short interview.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:09 pmbackup says:
October 25th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
They only hurt their own credibility when they did that, but of course, you wouldn’t understand.
Or if you did, you’d make up a reason why it’s ok.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:09 pmAnd doesn’t Perino realize that the sexist/white/old/male GOP thinks that blonde women like herself shouldn’t even vote? That they should stay home, cook & have GOP babies?
October 25th, 2009 at 5:09 pmHow any woman can be a Republican is beyond belief.
dasm@104, That’s why I laugh when trolls constantly point out the ratings. Big Deal. YOUNG peole watch MSNBC and the old and paraniod watch Faux News. Just like Limpballs ratings. Who cares? So he gets 10 million listeners. We have over 300 million people in this Country.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:13 pm103, Debunked, like Fox, pure propaganda.
A Fox News executive told the Huffington Post Saturday that the network “absolutely” did request an interview with Obama administration “pay czar” Kenneth Feinberg and that the White House acknowledged a mistake on the part of a Treasury department staffer in failing to initially include Fox News in the round of interviews Feinberg conducted Thursday.
“Of course we requested an interview,” Fox News Senior Vice President Michael Clemente told the Huffington Post.
This directly contradicts reports by the Associated Press and Talking Points Memo, both of which reported that the White House had excluded Fox News because it did not request an interview.
Whether Fox News requested an interview was irrelevant in this case, however, as the interview was conducted a pool including ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and Fox News.
Clemente said that CBS News Washington Bureau Chief and current pool chairman Chris Isham — who did not respond to phone or e-mail requests for comment Saturday — received a call from the Treasury Department Thursday saying that Feinberg would be available to speak to all of the networks in the pool except for Fox News, and that Bloomberg would be included instead.
Clemente said that when Isham presented that scenario on a conference call with the other pool members — including Fox News — “they unanimously said, instantly, no, that’s not gonna fly. Either Fox is in or none of us is doing it.”
Once Isham relayed that message to Treasury, Treasury cleared it with White House Communications Director Anita Dunn, who approved Feinberg’s interview with Fox News’ Major Garrett.
Clemente said, however, that there was now a catch: every network would get two minutes with Feinberg instead of the previously planned five.
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/24/fox-news-exec-on-attempte_n_332707.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/24/fox-news-exec-on-attempte_n_332707.html
On the other hand.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:13 pmThe Bush Administration shut down Al Jazeera in Iraq by bombing it, in 2003.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:14 pmSorry, Perino, you pathetic excuse for an “informed” woman– Obama is doing the exact opposite of what your stupid rhetoric implies– Obama is encouraging “emerging democracies” to shun dishonest, partisan “news” garbage. He is encouraging all emerging democracies to promote honesty, research, caring, & unity. But then, you & your GOP pig friends just don’t understand that, & never, ever will. Your GOP blinders prevent you from EVER seeing the best for the country, let alone the best for the world.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:15 pmAnd backup for the record, I voted your lie down.
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And the pathetic trolls keep voting us down….
October 25th, 2009 at 5:16 pmIt is not for you to decide what is or is not the business of the President. Since it is the duty of the President to protect Americans from the enemies of this country, I think it is his business to point out that FOX is a propaganda outlet for a the fascist Republican Party.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:17 pmGreat graduate research project: Why Are Trolls So Obsessed With Websites They Hate?
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the bush administration did whatever they wanted. look at the mess bush created. bush/cheney are responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths. People all around the world hated america because of those two traitors. bush didnt give a rats ass about the american people. Obama has already made people around the world start to look up to us again, and that is important for world peace. Also Obama is trying to make life better for all americans,not just the rich. The problem is that the repugs and wingnuts dont care whats best for americans and world peace. You guys lost, and for a good reason.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:20 pmRichard Stallman @ 113, 117,
FLAGGED FOR ABUSE. You’re done here Stallman
October 25th, 2009 at 5:21 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Olbermann and Maddow, just as Colbert and Stewart make it very clear they are commentators and not journalists Stallman.
Fox actually calls its opinion programming ‘news’ I realize thats a Lunztian attempt, at many things FN, at framing a word, to mislead you, to alter your perception. If you cant see that Luntzian framing going on, which is very much like subliminal pictures injected into the broadcast, you prolly should turn off the TV
October 25th, 2009 at 5:23 pmMore from backup’s hate site source. The crowd at the Tea Bagger march?
“I don’t think a crowd size of 1,000,000 is an unreasonable estimate.”
– Rob Port, Say Anything blog
October 25th, 2009 at 5:23 pm#113 Richard Stallman says:
Now you’ve gone too far. Reported for abuse. Not voted down, just reported for abuse.
You’ve made your point, Mr. Stallman. You’ve convinced me that you’re a bigger a-hole than me. You can leave now. Thank you, and have a nice life.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:23 pmGood research Harold. But I’ll concur with what Pags said earlier in the thread about the badmouthing that is done about Chicago. I’m also a Chicago resident and if Chicago politics was as bad as they say Cheney and Bush would be having their trials now. And they would have told all the outlets to go scratch a$$ and granted none of them interviews with Feinberg.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:24 pmFN is not reporting they are actively trying to sway public opinion, manage your perceptions, without your consent, thru the manipulation of language
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Isn’t that cute? The “new” stupid troll learned a new word. He must have overheard Mommy and UncleDaddy arguing about who’s buying this weeks stash, again.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:27 pm118, Jeff Gannon wasn’t included. Why didn’t you protest?
October 25th, 2009 at 5:27 pmBackup, YOU are accusing somebody else of using diversions? What a moron.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:28 pm127, Why should I defend your source? That’s a diversion. And who says they protested? They pointed it out and it was corrected by the White House.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:31 pmWhere’s the suppression in that?
Backup.. for the record FOX SHOULDN’T be included. Because .. once again.. they AREN’T a NEWS ORGANIZATION. See… the pool is for the press. Fox isn’t the press.. they shouldn’t be included. simple. And for the record.. Keith Olbermann shouldn’t either.. simply because he’s generally an opinion piece with contributors that support his views. Fox on the other hand is ALWAYS opinion pieces with contributors that support their views. always.
I’m done repeating myself.. go on and pretend your one ‘news’ station is legitimate.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:33 pmGood ol’ b-kup. What makes this so hilarious has nothing to do with the Administration virtually ignoring FAUX. What’s hilarious is the comparison to someone, Chavez, who actually did declare war on the opposing voice. He sent soldiers to clear the building and padlocked the doors. He didn’t snub them.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:34 pmFauxnew’s worst victims, their viewers, are damned to spending most of their time and mental energy trying to validate Faux’s lies.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:35 pmIt’s become a national mental health crisis.
Stallman, I seriously hope that you dont have a wife and kids.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:36 pmYou are the type of loser who probably beats them to prove how manly you are. People who visit TP are civilized.
You are not welcome here. GET FCKING LOST!
BTW, b-kup. If you are contending that the snubs are undeserved or peremptory in nature? You really should watch this clip.
http://www.youtube.com/user/theyoungturks?blend=1&ob=0#p/u/23/BfOzBqkCiLo
October 25th, 2009 at 5:36 pmWhy in the heck do you think they have Luntz getting people to twist knobs when they hear a word that causes them to react?
October 25th, 2009 at 5:37 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Stallman’s garbage belongs on Red State and Little Green Footballs where they are more than happy to wallow in the toxic muck that they try to cover everyone else in.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:39 pmRichard Stallman says: My mug shot’s going to be so pretty.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:39 pmI Believe Chavez declared “war” on his opponents because they tried to OVERTHROW his democratically elected Government.
Fox hasn’t done anything but WISH it would happen to Obama.
Fox serves a useful purpose, by keeping Progressive Bullsh*t detectors finely tuned.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:41 pmI remember when McCain didnt want Joe Klein or Maureen Dowd on the press plane when they criticised him?
Heh
October 25th, 2009 at 5:42 pmObama is not seeking to shut Fox down. What he’s saying is….they are not a news organization, they are the PR arm of the republican party, and they should be ignored.
And I agree with him and those in his Admin who are saying this!
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Stallman, with wishes like yours, it’s no wonder my party is very much uninterested in the health care debate. Improved delivery and access of care would not help bring my party’s vision of America as an eliminationist battlefield to life.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:43 pmbackup says:
lux. You should tell the others in the press pool.
What was that about “compelling others”?
October 25th, 2009 at 5:43 pmI wonder when FN is going to hire Judy Miller.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:44 pmbackup: If the situation was somehow made up by Fox, why did the rest of the press pool feel compelled to insist Fox be included?
Uh, because it’s a pool? Because Fox has been credited as a news organization for years and ABC, CBS, etc aren’t known for innovation?
What’s your point? How does one specific instance in a press pool substantiate your claim that the administration doesn’t have the right to make judgments about who they include? They wanted to substitute Bloomberg in the pool. What is wrong with that, backup?
October 25th, 2009 at 5:45 pm144, Does anyone remember this person saying the same thing during the eight years of the Bush Administration?
Anyone?
October 25th, 2009 at 5:46 pmF uck Fox News
I just did …
October 25th, 2009 at 5:47 pmbackup says:
pete. it’s not the same. But, there is a strong resistance to anything even remotely associated.
Fox is biased and partisan. Their status as a news organization is debatable.
Let partisans make that case, so the administration can stay above the partisan fray and concentrate on issues that are more universally considered pertinent.
Or maybe it’s past time they stop pretending FoxNews should be taken seriously. They didn’t invite NewsMax, either. Why aren’t you outraged at that? Sure, Fox has more money, but NewsMax is just as ridiculous and biased.
The Obama Administration started out with “bipartisan” approaches and look where it has gotten them. What is the point of ignoring the partisanship of the GOP and Fox? The “fray” is partisan and it is partisan because the GOP refused to even budge on any of the “issues that are more universally considered pertinent.”
October 25th, 2009 at 5:51 pmFox is not a “news organization”. They are not “fair and balanced”. Their mission is to carry out the talking points of the Republican Party. Exactly as it is written by the Republican party. Right down to the typos. Fighting back against propaganda is not only the administration’s right, it’s their duty.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:54 pmRichard Stallman says:
“I guess the thug Obama considers the fascist Olberman and the cunt Maddow credible news people.”
Richard, can I call you Rich or Rick? Ok, dick, you’re a really classy guy. Just like those babblingbobbleheads at Fox News Theatre! And just as credible as Dana “I didnt know about the Cuban missile crisis” Perino!
October 25th, 2009 at 6:01 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I would say that the next outfit touting itself as a “news” organization while at the same time proudly trumpeting its role as the “opposition voice” would be next.
Now, as some said above, when the administration actually eliminates Faux News from the press pool, THEN you will BEGIN to have an argument to make.
Until then, b-cup, you simply demonstrate that you share the standard right-wing inability to grasp the concept of “free speech”.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:04 pm“Will be seen as” and “ARE” are two entirely different things, b-cup. And your concern for how the administration “will be seen” by people who have already committed to opposing any proposal it makes is touching but ultimately ridiculous.
But, as always, thanks for your concern.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:06 pmBackup, let me ask you a question.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:07 pmWhen someone says something about you that you know to be not true, outrageous or a outright lie what do you do? Do you respond by
a:Refuting the lie directly, or
b:Ignore it and let it fester and grow.
Actually, b-cup, this sounds like you still think that BushCo is in power.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:07 pmJim Wolf, whenever b-cup is accused of disingenuousness or some other flaw of argumentation, his usual response is to spin faster.
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The most universally pertinent item considered by sane Americans and the rest of the world, is that the Republican Party has created a propaganda outlet. The single most important issue faced by America today is the fascist Republican Party’s destruction of our Democracy.
It is absolutely Obama’s duty to do everything he can to dismantle FOX News, and the Republican Party because they are the enemy of “we the people”.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:11 pmRalph says,
October 25th, 2009 at 6:13 pmHe’s spinning so fast, he’s making me dizzy Ralph. I’ve seen “concern trolls” twist themselves into knots before but backup takes the cake.
It’s gonna take him a few days to unwind himself from this thread.
backup says @160.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:15 pmPerfect example of Ralph’s observation. Thanks Backup! Now answer my question.
When you stand up to a bully they whine and complain about the way they are treated and claim they won. The lesson that Kerry didn’t learn about the swift boaters has been learned by Obama: you have to confront the bully.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:17 pmThat’s it Wiz. Or as my Dad always told me, when you get punched, punch back harder.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:19 pmBackup the concern troll is spinning a story completely different from what Josh Marshall is reprting at TPM.
TPMDC dug into it, and here’s what really happened.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
“Attacks on fox”? Show me where anyone “attacked” FAUX. What the White House has done is snub FAUX. Everyone knows it and everyone knows why but, finally, someone asked why. The answer? “Because FAUX is an arm of the Republican party and… isn’t a real news organization”. Personally, I don’t see that as an “attack”. It’s an accurate description of FAUX.
Heck! They haven’t even mentioned the countless confirmed lies, the repeated statements that FAUX’s purpose is to obstruct and “stop” the lawful government of our country, the hate speech on virtually every issue, the constant games of “mistakenly” identifying Republican criminals “Democrats”… and I could go on for days just from memory. Even those wouldn’t be “attacks”.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:20 pmAwwww, Backup, are you voting me down? Harsh man, harsh.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:21 pmBTW, b-kup. They aren’t telling people to “dismiss” FAUX. They are setting an example by dismissing FAUX themselves. It’s up to observers to decide for themselves.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:22 pmThis is interesting. When backup spins he does it so fast his mask comes loose. Then we get to see the neocon behind it.
His opinions like rotted fruit and tainted meat never sell, do they? Another vote down.
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I hope the WH stays on the offensive. Robert Gibbs is doing a very good job of this. As long as Faux insists on “reporting” the news as they do, the White House needs to keep the pressure on and call them out on their lies.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:24 pmBackup says,
October 25th, 2009 at 6:25 pmSpin, spin, spin, spin, spin.
Perino: Obama’s Criticism Of Fox Is Akin To Chavez’s Tactics, Sets A Bad Example For ‘Emerging Democracies’
backup says:
Jim. Think of it this way. Do you think the administration will continue the public condemnation of Fox, or do you think those public condemnations will abate?
I think they will stop, because of a growing realization that they are counterproductive.
Man that’s some spinning!
October 25th, 2009 at 6:26 pmFirst we get “aggressively attacking” and now it’s continuing “public condemnations”? I’m going to need citations.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:28 pmThat’s our b-cup.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:30 pmpete, wherever the spin takes him. backup is crazy projected on an IMAX screen.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:31 pmWhat idiots the radical right are for attacking controls on executive salaries for companies that took Government money.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:32 pmI know, Harold Melvin. I just like to add a little angular momentum and watch the result.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:33 pmWhat Fox calls an attack is what an ordinary person calls defending oneself. When someone attempts to defame you with false or misleading information, you’re obligated to call them out on it – I don’t care if that’s Conservative, Liberal or Martian.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:37 pmRalph I would not be surprised to learn that backup votes himself down. It’s a Bizarro World world he must live in.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:39 pmActually, bush did “kill the messenger” when he bombed Al Jezeera in Iraq in 2003, and in Afghanistan in 2001. He also imprisoned one of their “messengers”, Sami Al Hajj, a Sudanese cameraman working for Al Jazeerz. He was detained at Camp Delta and Guantanamo Bay from December 2001 until May 2008. No charges were ever made. The Iraqi congress expelled Al Jezeera in 2003, after the CIA reported that the news agency had been infiltrated by Iraqi spies.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:42 pmThis action was condemned internationally by journalists.
Probably not so much on faux, though.
By the way, I loved 96 Tears.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:43 pmRalph, so did I.
(name’s a tribute)
October 25th, 2009 at 6:44 pmThe condemnation of FOX News will continue. Sometimes it will come from the President, but mostly it will come from average Americans that know propaganda when they see it.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:50 pmSomeone doesn’t like “96 Tears”?
October 25th, 2009 at 6:50 pmAll these bushie people are in denial including Perino. It’s so weird to watch them all.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:51 pmre: Feinberg Treasury Department flap the other day.
Apparently, only a few groups decided to try to find out what really happened (instead of just relying on the Faux News claim). TPMDC actually talked to some people who were there at the Treasury Department on Thursday (besides Faux), as well as contacting the White House.
There were two sessions on Thursday involving Feinberg talking to the media: 1) a morning pen and pad session (for the print media and any TV correspondents who wanted to attend) and 2) an afternoon on-camera TV news press pool session.
TPMDC reported that some kind of miscommunication occurred between the morning and afternoon sessions, apparently between the Treasury Department liaison who was compiling a list of members of the press pool interested in interviewing Feinberg on-camera that afternoon and whoever at Faux News failed to ask to be put on this list (maybe Faux thought their name would appear magically on this list without their talking to the Treasury Department liaison).
A list makes sense. Scheduling. Allotment of interview time for press pool members to ask questions. The order of the interviews (determined by press pool members drawing straws? Rock, paper, scissors? Seniority?).
Faux wasn’t on this list for the afternoon session. Some of the other TV news bureau chiefs noticed (those who had asked to have their names on the list), and asked why Faux wasn’t on it. Per TPMDC, members of the press pool have a policy: one for all and all for one. One bureau chief told TPMDC that it didn’t matter that it was Faux. If it had been ABC, NBC, CBS or whomever, they’d have asked the same question and responded the same way, threatening a boycott until their fellow press pool member excluded was included.
But, you see, Faux News wasn’t excluded from participating in the afternoon on-camera interview session. Per TPMDC, when someone in the White House was informed of this faux pas involving Faux News not being on this list, they said sure, why not, let them participate, they’re a member of the press pool.
All that happened was that their name didn’t appear on this list compiled before the afternoon on-camera session. And this process of morning pen and pad session, list compiled, afternoon on-camera TV news interview session must recur often…with Faux News participating previously with no foul-ups occurring…until this time.
Miscommuniation? Deliberate? On whose part? On the Obama White House? On the Treasury Department? On Faux News?
My guess. Faux News deliberately didn’t ask to have their name put on this list on Thursday, so they could fabricate another controversy pulled solely out of their you know where. Remember, just a day or two earlier, Faux News had been harping about President Obama meeting with Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow (along with others) in the White House, with Faux News conveniently failing to mention that President Obama has similarly met with right-wing pundits at the White House.
I see a pattern forming. Faux excluded. Conservatives excluded. Even though there is no evidence. Oh, right, when did Faux News ever need evidence, or truth, or facts, to backup what they spew over our publicly-owned airwaves or on their website?
October 25th, 2009 at 6:52 pmRichard Stall Man
You mean you STILL havent killed yourself? For goodness sake you are nothing but an ignorant pile of dogshit. Do the only decent thing you have ever done in your life. For the sake of all the poor people who know and hate you, just go kill yourself
October 25th, 2009 at 6:52 pmI used to have “96 Tears” on a 45.
Now what did I do with that . . . .
I saw Harold Melvin and the Bluenotes in concert in “74.
Last nite I saw Bob Dylan.
Harmonica, but no guitar.
Sigh…
October 25th, 2009 at 6:55 pmb-kkkup continues to be the stupidest anti-American arsehole in history. That is your “proof”, you f**king inbred hick? Come back when you have a grasp of reality and facts, you American-hating useless loser.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:55 pmb-cup has come out of the closet and is now in full troll mode. A few days ago he went as far as posting links to Olbermann Watch, which everyone knows is just a front for Troll Central.
October 25th, 2009 at 7:00 pmI guess ol’ b-kup couldn’t find citations for all the “aggressively attacking” and “public condemning”. But, at least, the invisible vote-monkey is here. All two of him.
October 25th, 2009 at 7:02 pmOlberman Watch . . .
October 25th, 2009 at 7:05 pmGreat name for a watering hole for paranoids.
I think those are liberals voting me down. They dont like it when I tell ignorant mean spirited trolls who come here ONLY to heap contempt on liberals to kill themselves. On the other hand I DO like it so I will continue to do it
October 25th, 2009 at 7:05 pmUnlike Dubya, Chavez actually got more votes than his opponents!
October 25th, 2009 at 7:09 pmIt could be, EugeneDebs, I’m not terribly comfortable with it myself but big blocks have gotten single down votes all at once.
October 25th, 2009 at 7:09 pmRE: Richard Stall-Man @ 113:
FLAGGED for using the C-word.
October 25th, 2009 at 7:13 pmWe’ve been having quite an epidemic of toll VD, lately.
October 25th, 2009 at 7:14 pmLate the other night one was voting down everything I posted
on a dead thread.
Oops, troll VD, not toll.
October 25th, 2009 at 7:15 pmWell remember trolls are VERY stupid. They are easily amused
October 25th, 2009 at 7:16 pm@ 166. Reggie…
That makes for a two way spin from Flatulent Noise, doesn’t it? Didn’t they first whine all over that they’d deliberately been cut out of the Feinberg stand-up (sitting down)? Then they spin that their heroic compadres in the MSM, recognizing that poor little Farx has been sucker punched once again by the narsty ol’ Obamastration, helped Frax to its feet so it can resume the heroic struggle for rightwing shitheads everywhere (and advertising bucks – don’t forget the incentive package).
This comment from Wallace; “Dana, the latest chapter in the Chicago way was that the administration made an effort this week to use the White House pool — that’s the — all the five major networks — to try to exclude Fox from interviewing pay czar Ken Feinberg.”, which is in the transcript, certainly looks like a repetition of the ‘We wuz deliberately shut out’ spin, even if he does follow it with a half-hearted admission that the WH (Press Office?) said it was inadvertent. From the TPM account, it looks like the Farx people weren’t even around; they were probably screwing around in a broom closet or trying to whiffle up some scandal or controversy elsewhere (in the nearest lounge/bar, having a few cold ones).
All that crap from Perino about all them furriners watching us very very carefully is unsupported BS. Some of the media in the Anglophone world watches our end of the journalism universe, but more of them probably pay attention to what the BBC does, and the English and Indian press. The Francophone world’s media does not; they generally take more heed of the French media. The non-official media in a reasonable number of countries pay very little heed to us, because they view our media in the same way they view their own official media, as government shills and propagandists. That’s also true of a lot of governmental officials; for instance, it’s apparent from some coverage that the Russian nomenclatura, the bureaucracy, doesn’t believe a word of the claim that our media is independent of the government and state.
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#40 Richard Stallman,
Oh, O.K….
… Bush is HITLER?
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October 25th, 2009 at 7:22 pm@ 186. ? and the Mysterians says: Someone doesn’t like “96 Tears”? October 25th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Send them over here, ?, I’ll give ‘em a kinghell dopeslap.
October 25th, 2009 at 7:28 pm.
#54 backedup,
The appropriate analogy is comparative…
… When Bush shut out MSNBC THAT was O.K.?
Gawd how people are reticent to remember history less than two years ago but are quick to create a scenario that isn’t American by nature and apply it TO American culture as IF it exemplifies America.
Look darling, like Barbie Perino, your analogy and hers aren’t that far apart. BOTH neither exemplify what America is of should ever be. Yet, you BOTH are willing to go there. We aren’t talking about Piss Christ here. Or Chavez, for that matter.
But since your bringing up the (R)adicals among us as examples of how People should be upset, then TEN COMMANDMENTS on Federal Property is about what…
… Conservative morals?
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October 25th, 2009 at 7:32 pmVirtual Pebble says:
Fox knows their viewers will never read TPM, Huffington Post or any of the other websites that are covering what really happened, so they will spin, spin, spin……just like our troll b-cup does.
October 25th, 2009 at 7:32 pm.
Dear backedup,
When ANY Administration placates a “PROPAGANDA STATION”…
… What is that called?
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October 25th, 2009 at 7:34 pmb-kkkup is next going to start posting youtube videos to glenda to “prove” that Obama is a Marxist.
October 25th, 2009 at 7:36 pmI’m still waiting for examples of all the “aggressively attacking” and “public condemnations” from the White House. They seem to only exist in the Southern orifices of FAUX and Fans.
October 25th, 2009 at 7:36 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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#66 backedup,
The POTUS is NOT telling Americans who to listen to, or not. He’s just simply thinks that they are NOT credible enough to be “OBJECTIVE”.
Please do tell, when did it become O.K. to call the POTUS a “Racist”?
Please do tell, just what is “WHITE CULTURE” in America?
And, please figure out, through all this, just how is Mr. Steele getting more G(no)P minorities elected in an America with this sort of backdrop being pushed by the Corporate Conservative Plutocrats?
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October 25th, 2009 at 7:40 pmThank God Perino went on Fox News Sunday – nobody will ever see it there …
October 25th, 2009 at 7:41 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Mr. Gergen didn’t provide any examples of “aggressively attacking” or “public condemnations” either, b-kup. Try again.
October 25th, 2009 at 7:44 pmb-kkkup, when are you going to prove that the WH is trying to ban FAux from the press pool? Sack up, you terorist-loving hick….prove it.
October 25th, 2009 at 7:44 pmMr. Scherer didn’t provide any examples either. Try again.
October 25th, 2009 at 7:45 pmpete,
This is how it goes at FOXPRAVDA…
… Poke ‘em in the eye and when they complain, go to mommy and say THEY started it. Why else is the rest of the MSN parroting the meme, “The White House vs. FOX” when it actually has been FOXPRAVDA attacking Obama even BEFORE the elections. It’s just that we had Hillary, and Huckabee along with Caribou and McFarts as distractions. FOXPRAVDA just sees it as the rest have fallen by the waste side and the remaining victor then becomes their focus of ire. Funny, it never was that way with FOXPRAVDA in 2000 or 2004, NO? My how one electoral win for the Democrats can dramatically alter how FOXPRAVDA reports the White House, YES?
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October 25th, 2009 at 7:46 pm211, Still spinning? Your link should be to Fox according to Jacob Wiesberg:
“Take a look at Fox’s own Web story on the episode. It begins by quoting a Fox News senior vice president named Michael Clemente, who says: “It’s astounding the White House cannot distinguish between news and opinion programming. It seems self-serving on their part.” Then it quotes David Gergen, the gravelly voice of Washington’s conventional wisdom, who says the attack diminishes President Obama and works to Fox’s benefit.”
“Let’s do a quick study of our own. Five people are quoted in this article. Two of them work for Fox. All of them assert that administration officials are either wrong in substance or politically foolish to criticize the network. No one is cited supporting Dunn’s criticisms or saying that it could make sense, morally or politically, for Obama to challenge the network’s power. It’s a textbook example of a biased news story.”
Still spinning.
October 25th, 2009 at 7:48 pmThe Republicans abandoned truth and facts a long time ago. Until the talking media heads starting calling them liars, the GOP will continue to live in an alternate reality. And, until the Dems start calling them liars to their faces, the general public will never know. It is time for the Dems to stop trying to neogitiate with these rightwing hypocrites, liars and crooks. It is time for the Dems to act like Rep Grayson.
October 25th, 2009 at 7:48 pmYa’ got that right, Max Anax junius -1.
October 25th, 2009 at 7:48 pmDavid Gergen, who claims to be independent,served in the Nixon, Ford, and Reagan administrations and he was a campaign staffer for H.W. Bush.
October 25th, 2009 at 7:48 pmIndependendent?
Looks like his bread is consistently buttered on the same side.
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Gergen posted the Fox spin version of the incident, one full day after Josh Marshall posted the results of his investigation, which clearly contradicted what Fox claimed.
October 25th, 2009 at 7:49 pmBut, but, but backup only believes what he is told to believe by Fox News and the astro-turf spin machine.
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Sombody thinks placating a PROPAGANDA STATION is what the White House should be doing. LOLOLOL… FASCIST!
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214, An opinion by Michael Calderone is a fact? On what planet?
October 25th, 2009 at 7:55 pmFor God’s sake. Hasn’t this gone on long enough. ALL MSM is practically headlining with this crap. What a crock. No wonder why the public has little faith in MSM.
October 25th, 2009 at 7:55 pmbackup says:
Alright. I’ll give it up. I’ve been wrong many times before.
True.
October 25th, 2009 at 7:56 pmDid you read Scherer’s article? He also didn’t provide examples aside from a post on the “White House blog” (though no link was provided). Try again.
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227, There’s a third course. Fox will overstep it’s already over stretched boundaries of decency and tragedy, probably caused by Beck, will ensue. If that happens I hope you’re within striking distance because I will give you a bloody nose for your confounded asininity.
October 25th, 2009 at 8:02 pmAh b-kup. You still haven’t produced any evidence these “attacks” ever took place, much less that the alleged attacks would constitute “public condemnations”, you silly tit.
Personally, I think you are just scared shitless that the Dems are learning how to counter the Reichwing batscat and the facade of reason is crumbling with each passing day.
October 25th, 2009 at 8:03 pmCounterproductive?
October 25th, 2009 at 8:05 pmFaux’s purpose since the repugs lost in ‘08 was to counter any progress Obama or the dems might make.
All Faux can hope to do is make them look bad enough for the repugs to win back control, so they can go back to their fascist bullying status quo.
Of course faux is going to run up their outrage/victim flag.
something on my mind… no active health care threads, so this is OT…
but this line prompted me to post here:
So what type of example did the Bush administration set?
i just watched 60 minutes – the report on medicare fraud:
Medicare Fraud: A $60 Billion Crime
A.G. Holder Tells 60 Minutes More Oversight Is Needed; Scammer Explains How Easy It Is To Steal Millions
really good report… no real surprises except the huge numbers…
i’m very sure it will be used as fuel to argue against any government insurance program…
thing is, i never heard steve kroft ask any questions about HOW LONG such crazy abuse and fraud has been going on… and i don’t mean the usual crap – this report supposed that 95% of medicare claims are fraud… 95%…
this is what i think – it’s part of bushco/repug plan to destroy medicare, drain it of funds… they must have just turned a blind eye to what was going on… actually allowed the fraud and abuse to multiply exponentially…
just my thoughts about that…
i wish kroft had dug just a little deeper into the when, because i’d bet that the fraud picked up dramatically during the bush years with no oversight of anything…
maybe someone will… the obama admin does know of the problem because they allotted a huge sum from the stimulus funds to go after the fraud…
so so much to clean up…
October 25th, 2009 at 8:07 pmHere’s the blog post, I think. It was the only hit on the site for “fox lies”. Those words were only used in the link to Politifact.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Reality-Check-Turning-a-Point-of-Pride-into-a-Moment-of-Shame
October 25th, 2009 at 8:09 pmMedia Matters has documented some of Fox News most egregious lies.
Fox’s news programs echo its “opinion” shows: Smears, doctored videos, GOP talking points
October 25th, 2009 at 8:09 pmoh, and i’ve been outside all day, working around the garden…
quit in time to grab a bite to eat and watch 60 minutes…
looks like it was a big day on the TP…
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backup says:
Alright. I’ll give it up. I’ve been wrong many times before.
So you’re back. So you lied.
October 25th, 2009 at 8:16 pmYet when the administration acknowledges this obvious truth, b-cup finds it somehow unseemly.
October 25th, 2009 at 8:18 pmAnd I’m saying that neither you, b-kup, nor any of the links you’ve provided have established that the White House is “battling FAUX over whether it’s a news organization”. What they have done is answer false claims directly when necessary. Other than that; “they”, Meaning the President and others outside the press/communications departments are simply ignoring FAUX outside the occasional direct question.
October 25th, 2009 at 8:19 pmYou keep saying this, but you fail to recognize that you have no idea what “freedom of the press” really means. Nor do you say by WHOM it will be seen the way you describe it. Faux News partisans, sure. The rest of us in the Reality-Based Community™? Not so much.
October 25th, 2009 at 8:22 pmThere is good news.
The New Orleans Saints remain unbeaten.
Well it’s good news to me anyway.
October 25th, 2009 at 8:23 pmOops! To continue:
I’m not “splitting hairs”, b-kup. I’m challenging the fundamental premise of your argument that the White House is “battling” FAUX. They aren’t. Officially, they are ignoring FAUX to some extent. Unofficially there have been two or three remarks. That’s it.
My contention is that the incidents and remarks don’t constitute a “battle” and it’s inaccurate for any pundit to describe it as such.
October 25th, 2009 at 8:23 pmThis is coming from someone who voted for McGrampa and supports and defends faux. Thanks for the laugh.
October 25th, 2009 at 8:27 pmfor years this broad whored herself out to the most corrupt administration in recent history. and now she’s whoring herself out on faux “news”. mrs. goebbels would be proud of you perino, you skank.
October 25th, 2009 at 8:28 pm“I think it’s a mistake for the administration to battle Fox over whether it’s a news organization or not.”
there’s no “battle” because everyone other than the 20%ers clearly knows faux is the RNC propoganda station, not a news station.
October 25th, 2009 at 8:29 pmI agree pete. Fox news stated it improved their ratings. Where’s the battle?
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backup says:
Max. I don’t think Fox is objective or unbiased.
Their credibility will be decided by viewers. Any attempt to sway that decision from our leadership will most likely be seen as an attempt to interfere with the freedom of the press. Regardless or whether those attempts are warranted or not.
Respectfully, backup, I am trying to pin down where the flaw in your thinking is. You are right that Fox News Channel (as opposed to Fox itself) is neither objective nor unbiased. But to say that their credibility will be decided by viewers is to ignore a simple fact of American life: Stupid people tend to be conservative in their thinking. (Note: That is not at all the same as saying that all conservative people are stupid, so please don’t anyone accuse me of saying that. They’re wrong, but they’re not stupid just because they’re conservative.) And because stupid people are stupid, they tend to watch FNC because they hear what reaffirms what they think to be the truth.
But they are wrong. As you know, many of us have often pointed out the folly of equating TV ratings with veracity. They have nothing to do with each other. And I believe that you know this, backup.
I have to disagree strongly with you that it is valid to say “Any attempt to sway that decision from our leadership will most likely be seen as an attempt to interfere with the freedom of the press.” It would only be seen that way by the stupid people who don’t know how to think critically. They believe everything they see on FNC, so any attempt to point out that what they are seeing is often filled with falsehoods will probably be met with scorn. People don’t like to be told that they are stupid, especially the stupid ones. Sorry, stupid people, but facts are facts, and some of you are too stupid to know that.
You also need to understand that this has absolutely nothing whatsoever with “freedom of the press.” The White House is not denying FNC their right to air whatever lies and distortions they want (short of violating libel laws). They’re just saying they won’t help FNC mislead viewers, which FNC does on a regular basis. The WH’s efforts to inform people that the information they get from FNC should be taken with a grain of salt is very much warranted, but it most definitely does not constitute interference with freedom of the press.
You should also drop any ideas you might have that liberal philosophy and conservative philosophy are equally valid, because they are not. One philosophy deals with what’s best for all of us while the other deals with what’s best for selfish individuals. And catering to the needs of selfish individuals is not what this country is all about.
Thank you for your time. Have a good night.
October 25th, 2009 at 8:31 pmThanks for the “60 minutes” link, Katie.
October 25th, 2009 at 8:31 pmI was just thinking today how they used to expose a lot of fraud and phonies before Dan Rather was made an example of what would happen to journalists that didn’t portray bush in a favorable light.
It seems like the media in general is still overly cautious
in all matters bush, though.
Doc, he’s “concerned”.
October 25th, 2009 at 8:31 pmFOX won a legal battle that gave them the right to lie. The FCC should now enforce that precedent, and force FOX News to remove the word “news” from their title or lose their broadcasting license.
October 25th, 2009 at 8:32 pmYou’re too stupid to realize how pathetic this really is. So, drugbaugh is now “credible” because he has high ratings? So, pornography is “credible” because it is the number 1 sought material on the web? Jebus, you’re such a f**king idiot.
October 25th, 2009 at 8:36 pmWayne, well reasoned, well thought out and logically convincing. You are the “anti-backup”. Have a good night.
October 25th, 2009 at 8:39 pmThanks, Harold. I’m going to sit back and watch the Giants now. Have a good night. I’ll see everyone later.
October 25th, 2009 at 8:40 pmIt’s the football mentality of the masses, Dr. Hussein Matt.
October 25th, 2009 at 8:42 pmEverybody wants to be on the winning team, with the highest score.
If their team loses, they call foul.
Wayne, the Giants are a fine team. But they are not the Saints.
October 25th, 2009 at 8:43 pmOops.
October 25th, 2009 at 8:44 pmBad timing on the football analogy . . .
okie dokie,
October 25th, 2009 at 8:45 pmI have been speculating on the Bush effect myself. You wonder if the “press handling” by Bush, Rove and company had such a chilling on the press that it is too hard to shake. The press has not been the least bit harsh of the Bush administration, even after they’re out of office. And considering the garbage that Bush left behind you’d think they would have a gold mine. Does make you wonder.
Wayne, the Giants are a fine team. But they are not the Saints.
The reverse is also true, Harold. :)
October 25th, 2009 at 8:50 pmWell flight, seeing how bush influenced my own states politics when he was still governor of Texas, I think a good deal of that “inhibition” goes beyond his muscle in the oval office.
October 25th, 2009 at 8:53 pmb-kkkup and the rest of the anti-American filth in this country didn’t seem to mind when herr dubyah (R-Nazi) shut-out Helen Thomas day after day in the press room. Where was your fake outrage and concern from Helen, you goat raping hick?
October 25th, 2009 at 8:56 pmsoooo….dana,
October 25th, 2009 at 8:56 pmwhat kind of example was set when a manwhore was given a set of press credentials and allowed into the white house press corps along with “behind the scenes” access to the president of the united states?
you’re welcome, okie…
while watching, i kept thinking, ‘now would be a good time to bring up the busco NON-oversight policy… or now… there, ask…!’
but at least there’s that much out there… now to connect THAT to “cutting medicare spending” and the folks just may get it…
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May I ask what “efforts to discredit Fox” we are referring to, b-kup?
October 25th, 2009 at 9:24 pmBubblehead said what?
I stopped listening to her when I found out she didn’t know what the Cuban missile crisis was.
Do you think she got to where she is on her intellect or her looks?
I think she comes across much better with the sound off.
October 25th, 2009 at 9:26 pmbackup,
You’re confusing “lies” with “criticism.” Fox News Channel hasn’t merely criticized the Obama Administration, they have flat out lied about them.
And if they are going to BOTH lie and claim to be a legitimate “news channel,” then I believe it’s perfectly appropriate for the WH to point out that they will not treat Fox News as a valid “news channel.”
I think you’re missing that point. They can say whatever they want, they just can’t claim that they are a legitimate news organization, when many of their stories revolve around falsehoods about the president and his staff.
For example, I’m sure you know perfectly well that President Obama was born in Hawaii (after it became a state) and that he is constitutionally qualified to be president. You would not know that if you got all your news from FNC. At best, you might be left with the impression that “there is still some debate about it.” There is none. There is the one side that tells the truth, and then there are the Birthers who refuse to believe the evidence presented to them.
If you tell me the planet we’re on is called “Earth” and I say “No, it isn’t,” that does not mean that the subject is unresolved. I would be wrong and that would be the end of it.
I get the feeling that you still want to hang on to the erroneous idea that what Fox News Channel does is journalism. It is not. It is propaganda meant to support the Republican Party, just as Rupert Murdoch intended when he hired well-known Republican strategist Roger Ailes to run the network. If Murdoch intended his network to be truly “fair and balanced”, then why would he hire all those obviously conservative people to be on it? The answer is that “fair and balanced” was only meant to be a marketing slogan, not a mission statement that would define everything they present to their viewers.
October 25th, 2009 at 9:29 pm@ 236. katy …
Yeah, that was a pretty good story. I think the 95% business that you quote is in error though; what I heard was Kroft’s informant saying that 95% of the service and material vendors billing Medicare in his area, out of 2000 some odd vendors, are fraudulent. There isn’t a direct linear relationship to the amount of billing though.
Probably 80% of all billing goes through 25 or fewer really big clinical, medical supply, and pharma houses, and it’s legit. For example, Walgreen’s Home Health Care operation is probably billing a few million a day in South FL in perfectly legitimate claims. The ‘fly-by-night’ fraudsters are taking their cut out of that 20% that the majors don’t control; it’s still a really big chunk of money, but 95% it isn’t.
Of course, if one or two of the biggies are fiddling the books then there’s even more to the fraud, but the program has to be audited to pick that up.
October 25th, 2009 at 9:35 pmHarold Melvin says:
Wayne, the Giants are a fine team. But they are not the Saints.
October 25th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Harold, unfortunately Wayne and I are really Jets fans. ;)
October 25th, 2009 at 9:37 pmbackup libs and stop the abuse!!!
October 25th, 2009 at 9:38 pmI just stepped in. What’s with all the click downs?
October 25th, 2009 at 9:42 pmCome out from under the plywood and face me you communist shithead.
October 25th, 2009 at 9:43 pmP.D. says:
I just stepped in. What’s with all the click downs?
Just a couple of immature cowards incapable of debating the issues. In their own minds, they are great Americans for voting down comments. Calling them “sad and pathetic” would be too kind.
October 25th, 2009 at 9:45 pmFox News is a… pig?
October 25th, 2009 at 9:45 pmIf you have good looks and want to use it to get ahead the republican party is for you.
October 25th, 2009 at 9:46 pmAnyone else notice how concerned b-cup seems to be about how the White House will look to people who already hate the White House?
October 25th, 2009 at 9:48 pm.
#223 backedup,
O.K….
… not biased or objective?
… Please highlight OTHER MSN Stations that “PLATFORM” G(no)P Talking Points regarding Military and Economics?
… Please name other MSN Talking Heads who have called the current POTUS a “RACIST”?
… Please cite which OTHER MSN Station has called Obama a Fascist or a Commie or a Socialist or a Kenyan?
10 bucks you cite Dobbs or Scarborough. But who else? You got nothing!
N-O-T-H-I-N-G !
FOX is an entire Agency that has revolved around “CREATING” news by acting like the N.Y. Sun or the National Enquirer. TABLOID JOURNALISM AT IT’S WORST and BEST. Best because a whole generation has been living under the auspice that FOX is fair AND balanced, when in all of it, FOX has been the WORST purveyor of garbage, opinion, gossip and out right LIES. Which really is what makes the worst kind of reporting and news there is in the world. It is contrived. It is managed. It is disingenuous to what “JOURNALISM” is all about!
“Is Obama the Anti-Christ?” Where else do you find that level of SH!T written so as to “PUSH” a story into main street conversation? Name one other MSN Station that lowers itself to THAT low?
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October 25th, 2009 at 9:48 pmBackup,
Faux Snooze or Farx Nooz or Flatulent Noise or whatever they might be called in a moment of irritation is perfectly capable of discrediting themselves. Pointing out their errors and lies is nothing more than pointing out fact. If what Fux puts into the mediasphere is lying BS, it does them no credit, and for the remainder of the media to ignore that does that remainder no credit. For the WH media office to point out the lies and BS is not a good thing, but only because the WH shouldn’t have to do the media’s job for it.
October 25th, 2009 at 9:48 pmI think that is a very accurate assessment.
October 25th, 2009 at 9:49 pmMy party’s just trashing everything because we no longer have control over it.
Good comment? Vote it down.
October 25th, 2009 at 9:51 pmIt looks like the leavings of our redmeateating VDT, P.D..
October 25th, 2009 at 9:51 pmHe’s become quite the stalker.
Oh, ralph, you’re making me blush. Thanks.
October 25th, 2009 at 9:53 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Look at me, I’m voting myself down!
*idiot parody troll bounces into wall and falls unconcious*
October 25th, 2009 at 9:59 pmP.D. says:
I just stepped in. What’s with all the click downs?
October 25th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
It’s a raging case of VDT, exacerbated by a serious lack of troll-kind friends to counteract the instant disappointment of witnessing the multiple votes up by the TPers. VDT is an all too common ailment of the more pathetic class of troll-kind, most often found in the dumpster behind the Dollar Store. Studies have found it to be incurable, which slowly leeches the life out of said troll-kind, until the very end of its time on earth — when it realizes it has wasted its entire life being afraid of EVERYTHING.
October 25th, 2009 at 10:01 pmLOL! Another troll lurking in the shadows, welding his almighty finger to click us down! I’m sorry, it’s late. But watching MSM making such a fuss over this whole thing, is nothing short of ludicris. Everyone knows Faux News is nothing but a partisan network. The fact MSM is trying to ‘defend’ them is just plain nuts.
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backup says:
October 25th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Stop with the drama queen routine, b-cup, that’s Stallman’s gig.
It’s not as if the Obama administration has yelled “Stop everything! We must convince every American that Fox is not a reputable new organization!”
It’s only YOU wondering that kind of crap.
October 25th, 2009 at 10:04 pmI’m so late to this thread, but is Perino comparing Fox to an emerging democracy?
If so, when does Fox plan on becoming democratic?
October 25th, 2009 at 10:06 pmVery scientific, Zoo! I can now save my troll dimes and cancel that trip to the shrink!
October 25th, 2009 at 10:07 pmWhat we need to do is remove corporate control of news media. The MSM defends FOX News because it is in the best interest of their owners to do so.
What the MSM should be doing is reporting each and every lie that FOX propagates. Our media has a conflict of interest.
October 25th, 2009 at 10:08 pmWhat the GOP REALLY means … says:
October 25th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
Sorry about your upcoming horrific demise.
October 25th, 2009 at 10:11 pmSo now it’s “Imagine if I were Fox news and you were the President and administration. Also imagine that we are engaged in an exhaustive public dispute over what is truthful or objective reporting.”?
“An exhaustive public dispute”??? That’s a whole lot of imagining.
An exhaustive public dispute would entail a volume of mutual recrimination. Give and take. Eloquent speeches. What we have witnessed is roughly a year of smears from FAUX countered by three remarks, one each from Dunn, Emmanuel, and I forget who the third one was. All three in responce to blatant falsehoods.
No policy. No press releases. No hatchet jobs on other networks. No nuthin’.
October 25th, 2009 at 10:14 pmCzars? In the Obami WH?
This is something unheard of! Too bad the president no longer has advisors and senate-confirmed appointees! Obami changed the game!
October 25th, 2009 at 10:14 pmZooey says:
Sorry about your upcoming horrific demise.
What do you mean!!!! Is it my halloween costume???
NOOO!!!!
October 25th, 2009 at 10:17 pmThe most dangerous place on Earth for a reporter is Israel. Any reporter who tries to report the truth about the Israeli Holocaust against Palestinians has a good chance of being killed in Israel or being hunted down elsewhere.
Has anyone noticed the treatment that President Carter has received from “Israelis” for his book on the Israeli Apartheid against Palestinians? Some Israelis have even threatened to shoot President Obama because he wants to bring peace to the Middle East.
October 25th, 2009 at 10:18 pmIf this has to do with the candy I buy at the Dollar Store I’m not giving that up. Sorry. Include memories of my wonderful laugh in the eulogy. Thanks.
October 25th, 2009 at 10:20 pmApparently the stupid troll didn’t read the whole quote:
Now here’s what Becky played as “evidence” that Ms. Dunn “worships” Mao:
…Mao Zedong and Mother Teresa — not often coupled with each together, but the two people that I turn to most…
Of course, your average Reichwhiner will never read the whole quote and come to the obvious conclusion that Ms. Dunn merely uses Mao as an example to make a specific point about making tough decisions.
October 25th, 2009 at 10:21 pm.
#223 backedup says:
#287 backedup says:
WHICH ARE YOU?
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October 25th, 2009 at 10:22 pmGood nighter!
October 25th, 2009 at 10:22 pmGOP REALLY,
How does that saying go on C Street…
… Ask and ye shall receive?
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October 25th, 2009 at 10:24 pmWhat the GOP REALLY means … says:
NOOO!!!!
October 25th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
I’m sorry. All troll-kind come to a terrible end — mostly of their own making. I’ll let you keep the candy.
It’s ok…really.
October 25th, 2009 at 10:25 pmHere’s the transcript from Becy’s handling of that particular quote:
http://mediamatters.org/research/200910190052
October 25th, 2009 at 10:29 pmBECK: Maybe it’s just me, I mean, I am one of the stupid conservatives so it’s possible I just don’t understand it, but I don’t see anything close to a joke here.
Wow, I actually find myself agreeing with Beck. He is one of the stupid conservatives.
October 25th, 2009 at 10:30 pmAnd here’s the quote with the part Becky played, and played, highlighted:
And then the third lesson and tip actually come from two of my favorite political philosophers, Mao Zedong and Mother Teresa — not often coupled with each together, but the two people that I turn to most to basically deliver a simple point, which is, you’re going to make choices. You’re going to challenge. You’re going to say, “Why not?” You’re going to figure out how to do things that have never been done before. But here’s the deal: These are your choices. They are no one else’s.
S0, you see, Becky deliberately chopped a quote to make it appear that Ms. Dunn had said something she clearly never said.
October 25th, 2009 at 10:32 pmOpposing views of Faux are determined by what they manipulate it to be that day. The network has indeed branded itself with the “fair and balanced” logo to divert suspicion of their intent; to manipulate public opinion. Any private citizen could have, and probably would have sued faux for slander and harrassment by now. Their persistent countering with the president and his party has nothing to do with issues. They brainwash viewers to withhold any approval of either, as well as a 24/7 feed denouncing his policies, his character, and his loyalties.
October 25th, 2009 at 10:37 pmQuite a 180 from Faux’s solidarity with “you’re either with us or you’re with the terrorists” G.W. Bush.
Oh, don’t clutch those pearls so tightly, b-cup. That’s gotta be bad for your circulation.
Of course, we simply cannot have an administration that appears even the least bit “partisan”. And “partisan fights”?? Heavens! Someone please fetch the fainting couch!
October 25th, 2009 at 10:46 pmAs always, b-cup, thanks for your concern.
October 25th, 2009 at 10:48 pmMurdock declared war on the Obama Administration the first week.
In hindsight, this may not have been a good idea, taking on the President of the United States, especially if he is successful and popular. Let’s face, FOX News is not helping themselves by reporting less than factual, or being associated with Murdock’s three Buffoons. They have managed to alienate all but the hardcore Republicans. Advertisers are giving second thoughts, having their products represent by an entity deemed less than honest, or biased and raciest. I don’t understand Murdock’s business model, but it looks disastrous.
When the President of the United States has determined that FOX News is not a legitimate news organization, it carries weight. As FOX continues to prove the Presidents statement, even the dumbest of FOX’s viewers has to start wondering.
I think this move on the part of the Whitehouse was calculated and deemed necessary. Murdock declared war on this administration with his flanks wide open. You don’t threaten the President without repercussions.
Murdock is one hell of an idiot.
Obama is one smart Politician ( political cost, minimum)
October 25th, 2009 at 10:50 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
You just may be right, flight. It started to seem like the screechers were being given rope when there was virtually no response during the whole teabagging movement. Whether it was calculated or not, the Reichwhiners arrived at the conclusion that they could get away with anything so they just kept ratcheting it up. Then they started daring the dems and/or Administration to take the bait. And now, at the slightest sign of push back, they’ve overreacted to that.
I look forward to Tomorrow!
October 25th, 2009 at 11:03 pm#310 okie dokie,
Hey. You can’t run the Grand Opposition Party without a proper propaganda network to keep up that manufactured outrage, can you?
I mean, how else is it that one network news station banks on the policies of the current administration failing to right the course before the Nation?
The Nation wasn’t bankrupted before Obama stepped into Office but magically the economy is bust?
War Crimes never happened before Obama stepping into Office but suddenly HE’s the criminal?
How else can this happen? No vacuum around D.C.
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October 25th, 2009 at 11:04 pmAmazing that Perino could even hazard a comment after the dismal record of the Bush administration. One classy thing about G. W. Bush is that he keeps his mouth shut about commenting on the Obama Administration. Of course, what could he say that made any sense. Years and years of war, poorly executed at that. Also, let us not overlook his debt gift to Obama – for as far as the eye can see. But nothing worse than Bush’s choice for the Vice President slot. With a better Veep, no doubt G W Bush could have done much better.
October 25th, 2009 at 11:11 pmWhat I find most ironic is that Waaaaaaaaahllace complains “the WH is unfairly attacking the Fox gNOpig Propaganda Network”
then
he allows unchallenged the exact same behavior that has earned Faux its reputation.
First, he repeats the same clip used by the sht flinging Baboon a few days ago AND doesn’t mind the comparison to Chavez.
I am sure this little gem by Perino WILL become a talking point this week with the Fox gNOpig Propaganda talking heads.
October 25th, 2009 at 11:12 pmmari2RR says:
With a better Veep, no doubt G W Bush could have done much better.
No. He couldn’t. The former Decider is cruel, flippant, impetuous, and stupid. That’s a sure-fire recipe for disaster.
October 25th, 2009 at 11:17 pmOops! I forgot; stubborn, arrogant, petty, incurious, and a half a dictionary of other negative traits.
October 25th, 2009 at 11:22 pmcheney didn’t advise him on taxes and deregulation, that’s in his blood. He’s not smart enough to even think that there might be solutions besides those he tried and they have worked in the past. He did what he set out to do.
I can add to your short list of failures for bush but it would take me a while.
October 25th, 2009 at 11:23 pmBush without Cheney, mari2RR?
October 25th, 2009 at 11:32 pmThat would be like the Galactic Emperor without Darth Vader.
Bush without Cheney is like…
… The Titanic without an Ocean.
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October 25th, 2009 at 11:35 pmMore like a Chimp without a Dick.
October 25th, 2009 at 11:37 pmmari2RR
I remembered reading this a couple of years ago and thought it was a very accurate description of W. Glad I found it again for just such an occasion. Give it a read and see if you still think W would have fared better without Darth.
http://www.slate.com/id/2143250/
October 25th, 2009 at 11:43 pmSlappyBastinado @ 291
October 25th, 2009 at 11:45 pmChina is amazing. I suggest you research before you open your mouth. You really sound stupid!!!
Well put, pete. (rotfl)
The Titanic without the ocean, Max?
October 25th, 2009 at 11:46 pmOr without the iceburg?
Thanks, okie dokie.
October 26th, 2009 at 12:04 amWell put, pete. (rotfl)
The Titanic without the ocean, Max?
October 26th, 2009 at 12:13 amOr without the iceburg?
Thanks, okie dokie.
October 26th, 2009 at 12:14 amTalk about the pot calling the kettle black….Perino is one of the dumbest folks that has been put in any position (WH or not) for public dissemination of information for a long time…Her continued exposure to the public is like toxic waste spread om the streets…
BUT, that makes for a great fit over at the talk radio network..stupid crackers..
October 26th, 2009 at 12:18 amwhy do you even report this? Who gives a shit that Perino even breathes, let alone her bimboesque opinions on anything at all (including breakfast cereal), particularly her views on Obama?
Do you people really not understand how the Republic Party operates? One of their little mice squeaks and you amplify it by reporting on it. Really – no wonder the Republic Party dominates the dialog even when we are in the majority.
October 26th, 2009 at 12:20 amLet no child, woman, man, animal, insect forget that it was George W. Bush and his Neo-con gang who started this mess in Iraq.
October 26th, 2009 at 12:49 amGeorge Bush and his Neo-con gang oppressed freedom of speech to achieve their nefarious agenda. It is quite ironic that “democracy” was used as a selling point for the mess in Iraq, where reporters were systematically “eliminated” by Bush gang to cover up their incompetence and messy operations.
October 26th, 2009 at 12:53 amPerino fits right in at Fox News. She has a hard time telling the truth. Besides, Fox News started this so Perino must think the Obama administration should just roll over and play dead. Also, she constantly avoided some reporters because she didn’t like the tough questions. The hand-full of times she did she avoided the question. Here is one such example. (I don’t recall Eric’s last name).
http://www.btcnews.com/btcnews/1981
October 26th, 2009 at 12:58 amflight says:
SlappyBastinado @ 291
China is amazing. I suggest you research before you open your mouth. You really sound stupid!!!
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SlappyBastinado says:
As China becomes the greatest and largest county the world has ever known the base was built a number of years ago.
I suggest you read my post before you open you mouth. You really look stupid!!!
October 26th, 2009 at 1:27 am“96 Tears” is a great song. The Stranglers did a great cover of it, too.
October 26th, 2009 at 1:47 am#327 okie dokie,
October 26th, 2009 at 2:41 amI debated that one. But saying the iceberg would suggest that the Titanic would NOT have sunk. Bush as Captain, regardless, it was destined to hit bottom, somehow. Take the ocean away and wow, bottom it is!
there is always so much irony involved in every lie and BS fox news tells. idiots like mrs perino parade around, get jobs at fox news where they feel comfortable with far-right nutjobs and cry about how mean president obama is. yet, the bush administration was doing even worse dictating the message of the media to pander to its agenda.
October 26th, 2009 at 3:47 amThese wingnuts on here sure seem to have a problem with Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow. I wonder why—-Hmmm—-. Could it be because they both speak truth to power? Maybe it’s because they come with facts instead of lies, half truths and innuendo (like Faux news). Sad that they have to resort to character assassination instead of debating the issues like rational thinking adults. But then they wouldn’t be wingnuts and trolls would they? And what would the republican party be without their hateful support? Whigs!
October 26th, 2009 at 4:51 amThere are a certain group of Republicans (disciples of the dark forces) who want to muddy the waters — they do not speak truth — are very deceptive and arrogant and think that they can say and do what they please, and no one, no one must disagree or dare to speak back to them. Pres. Obama has a public duty to clarify lies and distortions put out by this group to keep power in their greedy hands and out of the hands of the people where it belongs!
October 26th, 2009 at 5:30 amI still say Fox News is creating more Democrats. Everybody knows they’re traitors.
Wingnut Threat Level
October 26th, 2009 at 5:48 amDana Perino woke up this morning thinking she was part of the best presidency in the history of the world. Poor Dana! Should someone tell her?
October 26th, 2009 at 7:25 amPerrino comments = who cares.
October 26th, 2009 at 9:32 amToday on Fox News Sunday, host Chris Wallace made sure to devote plenty of time to covering President Obama’s “war on Fox News”; he even played a clip of Sean Connery as Jim Malone “The Untouchables” talking about “the Chicago way” of getting things done.
Way to go, Chris, just prove that you’re simply parroting the GOP ‘talking points” memes.
[Perino]: “Through our State Department, we are trying to help emerging democracies get journalists and government officials to talk to one another, because freedom of the press is essential to any democracy. Believe me, they are watching this, and they have — surely are raising questions.”
This ‘argument’ has a major unproven assumption: Specifically, that what you have at FauxSnooze are actually journalists. The facts don’t support it.
Cheers,
October 26th, 2009 at 11:14 amI had always though of “W” as more of a bush-league a**hole.
October 26th, 2009 at 11:17 amMax. What’s inconsistent there?
October 26th, 2009 at 11:22 amslappy @ 336
October 26th, 2009 at 2:46 pmIf you assume China is a country of conformists you are truly an idiot.
The internet is exploding and the government can’t control the conformity.
A big surprise, the government could never control China to that extent, ever!