Pat Robertson on hate crimes bill: ‘The noose has tightened around the necks of Christians.’
Pat Robertson on hate crimes bill: ‘The noose has tightened around the necks of Christians.’
Yesterday on the Christian Broadcasting Network, televangelist Pat Robertson aired a segment slamming President Obama for signing the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Prevention Act into law. Extending hate crimes protection to the gay and transgendered community, Robertson argued, was a targeted attack on homophobic Christians like himself. Robertson said the new law is the latest example of a “noose” tightening around “the necks of Christians.” Later in the segment, he implied Democrats in Congress were “opposed to many of the fundamental Christian beliefs”:
PAT ROBERTSON: The noose has tightened around the necks of Christians to keep them from speaking out on certain moral issues. And it all was embodied in something called the Hate crimes bill that President Obama said was a major victory for America. I’m not sure if America was the beneficiary. [...] We have voted into office a group of people who are opposed to many of the fundamental Christian beliefs of our nation. And they hold to radical ideology, and they are beginning put people sharing their points of view into high office. And not only that, they not only have control of both houses of Congress.
Watch it:
Robertson, who has a long history of preaching vitriolic homophobia, declared earlier this year that gay marriage would lead to a “legalization of polygamy, bestiality, child molestation and pedophilia.”
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October 30th, 2009 at 10:47 amPat Robertson on hate crimes bill: ‘The noose has tightened around the necks of Christians.’
– - And the meek shall inherit the earth, Pat, and that is not you and your ilk.
October 30th, 2009 at 10:48 amBecause Jesus was all about hating people, right Pat?
October 30th, 2009 at 10:49 amThe noose has tightened around the necks of Christians to keep them from speaking out on certain moral issues.
Oh, so that’s why Christians don’t support Universal Health Care.
October 30th, 2009 at 10:49 amI’m starting to believe Lieberman knows he will never run again and is simply letting his real self out.
And in doing so, he’s laughing at all those in CT and across the country who, for all these years, supported him and thought he was a Democrat.
What a despicable human being.
October 30th, 2009 at 10:50 amWon’t that just hasten their arrival at fantasy island with the malleable roads and the cloud homes?
October 30th, 2009 at 10:50 am#5: Whoops – posted on the wrong thread. Sorry.
October 30th, 2009 at 10:51 amHey Pat…It must be getting very stuffy in that closet you’ve been in all these years.
October 30th, 2009 at 10:51 amThese bestiality and pedophilia claims have been the same claims they’ve been using for decades.
October 30th, 2009 at 10:53 amIf the noose fits, …
October 30th, 2009 at 10:54 amBuchanan is right. If Christians can’t murder the people they hate then they can’t practice their religion.
October 30th, 2009 at 10:54 amPAT ROBERTSON: The noose has tightened around the necks of Christians to keep them from speaking out on certain moral issues.
Hate all you want, “Christians” — just keep it to yourselves.
Who put “Christians” in charge of morality anyway? They suck at it!
October 30th, 2009 at 10:54 am#11 Outstanding!!!
October 30th, 2009 at 10:54 amAs long as you don’t encourage people to harm gay people Pat, you can continue to hate them all you want. LOSER!!!
October 30th, 2009 at 10:55 amFor someone claiming to be so god filled he is only full of shit.
October 30th, 2009 at 10:56 amOMG! He’s GOT to be kidding! Woe the poor white Christian man! These people are the most discriminating, homophobic, bigoted people on the planet! And where are these jerks when it comes to poverty, health care and the plight of our families? And isn’t Pat a gizzilionaire? I thought it was easier for a camel to through the eye of a needle, then a rich man can go to Heaven.
October 30th, 2009 at 10:57 amAnd Pat, in case you need to be reminded: you are talking about a metaphorical noose. Matthew Shepard had a real one put aroung his neck, in part simply because of his different sexual orientation. You, Pat, are a Christian Pharisee who really doesn’t understand Jesus’ sacrifice anymore than those rabid, dogmatic, hypocritical vipers who were the original Pharisees.
October 30th, 2009 at 10:57 amNo offense meant, PLC. I’m referring to pseudo-Christians.
October 30th, 2009 at 10:57 amIt’s one thing to speak out on your moral issues. It’s another thing to beat someone to a bloody pulp. One sounds like the work of Jesus, and frankly the other sounds like the work of Satan. I’m surprised they want to continue to do Satan’s work.
October 30th, 2009 at 10:57 amAt least he admitted that we voted them in. :)
October 30th, 2009 at 10:58 amWe have voted into office a group of people who are opposed to many of the fundamental Christian beliefs of our nation.
Hmm… I took several years of Catholic instruction and graduated from a premier Catholic university, and I don’t recall hatred of gays being a “fundamental Christian belief”.
And I know Pat flatters himself that this is a “Christian nation” but it’s not. The underlying principles that guided the founders were those of the Enlightenment, not the Church.
So double fail, Pat. Try again.
October 30th, 2009 at 10:59 amZooey, there is no need for you to explain – ever. I understand where you are coming from and what you mean. Blast away – I’ll join you!
October 30th, 2009 at 10:59 amThe noose has tightened around the necks of Christians.
Jeebus said kick the chair out from under you next.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:01 amfundamental Christian beliefs of our nationWould someone please tell me what these are? Fundamental Christian beliefs? I always thought they believed in Jesus and what he taught. Is this what he was trying to teach the world?
October 30th, 2009 at 11:03 amPat Robertson on hate crimes bill: ‘The noose has tightened around the necks of Christians.’
Well then, Pat, old son, it’s high time that “Christians” stopped perpetrating and spreading hate, don’t you think?
October 30th, 2009 at 11:03 amWell, let’s see, this so-called “Christian” seems to be spouting heresy, since Christ distinctly said (thus commanded) that after loving God the next imperative for a follower of Christ is to “love your neighbor as your self,” and then he goes on, in the parable of the Good Samaritan, to clearly define your ‘neighbor’ as anyone you encounter.
Recognizing that ALL people have dignity, regardless of behavior that you may not feel comfortable about, is Gospel, Mr. Robertson. No escape from the fundamentals of the Faith you claim to follow.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:04 amChristians for Bigotry and Stronger Nuclear Weapons!
Pat Robertson: Standing up for the poor, oppressive MASSIVE majority (i.e., white christians).
In Pat’s world, the gay fascists that secretly run the country are conspiring with the Jews, liberals, elites, feminists, Wiccans, Muslims, and the poor to turn god-fearing “Christians” into gay, latte drinking, tree huggers. After all, gays caused 9/11.
Remember when Pat agreed with Falwell that the gays and liberals and feminists caused 9/11?
Such a loving man…
October 30th, 2009 at 11:04 am1 John 3:15
Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him.
Apparently, Pat, the Founding Fathers of our Christian faith promoted the concept of “hate sin” as an equivalent to “murder sin”. How is that different from “hate crime”?
October 30th, 2009 at 11:04 amThanks, PLC. I just want to be clear. :-)
October 30th, 2009 at 11:05 amI toast the day that Robertson joins his Amerikan Taliban cohort Jerry Falwell in the deepest pit in Hell.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:06 amif he’s talk’n pat robertson-type “christians”, then it’s about freaking time!
October 30th, 2009 at 11:06 amIt’s people like Pat who are causing young people to flee. Many young Evangelicals are shunning thier parents beliefs and concentrating on things THEY consider important. The Environment, Social Justice and poverty. To many young people, their elders only care about homosxuality and abortion.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:07 amWow. I’ve heard of gall, and lack of awareness, but to compare hate crimes legislation with a lynching requires… I don’t even know what. I’m just gobsmacked.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:08 amfundamental Christian beliefs of our nation
1) White is good.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:08 am2) Money is good.
3) If you are not White and/or don’t have Money then you are subservient to those that are and have.
4) God only talk to rich white people.
5) Give what money you have to Rich White people or you will go to hell.
I hate to be blunt, Pat, but why are you siding with murderers? Hmm? Looking to get the GOP that all-important vote from perpetrators of hate crimes?
October 30th, 2009 at 11:10 amPat Roberson is nothing more the a snake oil salesman. He’s become very rich by duping ignorant people into thinking he has a direct line to god. He’s one reason the rest of the civilized world looks at us and shake their heads. Where a country full of loony toons.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:10 amI would expect no less from a general in the American Taliban.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:10 amlivelongandprosper says:
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fundamental Christian beliefs of our nation
1) White is good.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:10 am2) Money is good.
3) If you are not White and/or don’t have Money then you are subservient to those that are and have.
4) God only talk to rich white people.
5) Give what money you have to Rich White people or you will go to hell.
Oh, ok. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
sad, old liar.
just making it up as he goes to try and get a little attention.
sorry pat – as much as you enjoy playing the victim, no one’s interested in actually victimizing you.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:11 amThe only reason this old fart hasn’t gone home to Jeezus is that he ain’t wanted.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:12 amShorter Robertson: Hey, I’m free, white, and over 21. How can I get my slobbering minions to do horrific things to to people who secretly thrill me, if I can’t spew my spittle-flecked hate on the television?
I’m being repressed!!!
October 30th, 2009 at 11:13 amI must have missed the Sunday school class where they taught that hatred of others was a fundamental Christian belief. Then again, perhaps Robertson never bothered to read the new testament. He sounds like a guy who would supply the nails and lumber if Jesus decided to return.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:13 amThe pathetically bad thing about this is that there are millions of followers who will get up in arms about the Robertson gospel. Fearing the rope they’ll grab their guns, and put money in his plate.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:14 amI wish the hell all the losers like Robertson would hurry up and rapture themselves off the planet. That way the rest of us would have heaven on earth PLUS we get all their stuff.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:14 amMaybe ole Pat is feeling left out? After all, he had the ear of Reagan, Bush Sr. and Jr. Maybe he is crying out for attention.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:14 amI AM a Christian.
HATE and VIOLENCE are NOT Christian.
Screw YOU, Pat.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:15 am
I dont think the hate crimes bill applies to speaking out about your ideology Pat.
As for this demonization of others you seem to be calling morality,Pat, has it crossed your mind that demonizing others thereby persecting them creates the conditions that require such legislation to stop people from committing violent acts?
October 30th, 2009 at 11:16 amHow can Pat Robertson and his “700 Club” qualify for tax exempt status if he uses his broadcast network to campaign for Republicans 24/7?
I don’t understand.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:18 amAnd how, Pat, is these imprecatory prayers for the demise of people who are not gay and born here in america, like you, a form of morality?
October 30th, 2009 at 11:18 amPat’s just mad because the next time he opens his big, bigoted, hate-filled mouth he might go to jail.
Personally, I would pay big money to hear a cop tell Pat Robertson to ‘Watch your head” when they put him in the back of a police car.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:19 ampaleolib says:
He sounds like a guy who would supply the nails and lumber if Jesus decided to return.
Yeah – but only if he could make money off the deal.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:19 amI really have to wonder what Pat Robertson’s hymnal contains. Maybe hymns like:
Hate to the World (a Christmas favorite)
October 30th, 2009 at 11:20 amErasing Grace (good all year long)
Christians, lash out with exultation (stir up the crowd)
Good Christian Men Demonize (good for overall directives)
Hey Pat-
Would Jesus persecute Gays?
Come to think of it- I never seen Jesus with a women in any of the paintings. Hmmm.
Religious freaks are off-the-crasy.
We need to keep an eye on these radicals.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:24 amThem vs us. The age old method to manipulate the unthinking masses.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:28 amPatrioticLiberalChristian says:
October 30th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Don’t forget that old favorite: What’s God got to do with it?
October 30th, 2009 at 11:28 amThe legislation is about hate “crimes” Pat. You’re free to hate all you want if that’s what trips your trigger just don’t hurt anybody. But keep talking so the rest of the country sees how fundamentalism is a sickness.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:30 amI’m an atheist and I can say without commiting a sin that Pat
October 30th, 2009 at 11:31 amRobertson is a scared, ignorant, racist, homophobic, lying, snake-bitten, honky, peckerwood, useless, retarded, piece of cat sh|t who sucks the Jebus knob.
Seeing as “hate crimes” laws only apply to situations where the underlying behaviour is criminal in the first instance, is Robertson saying that this law unfairly singles out some Christian criminals for additional punishment? Or is he saying that all Christians are inherently criminal? Are you allowed to drag a man a half mile behind your truck if you have good ole Cris’shun love in your heart for him? Beat someone and tie them on a fence post to die as long as you do it with Cris’shun care and concern? Hard to determine….
Cheers,
October 30th, 2009 at 11:32 ami think i’m starting to understand why these guys were thrown to the lions.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:33 amWHY does anybody still listen to this hateful bigot? He represents true Christianity about as well as Casanova represented chastity.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:33 amI can’t believe the audacity of these guys who claim they have the ear of God. Then they PROFIT from it. In the Bible, a lot of God’s chosen few cared little for money and wealth. Guys like Pat and many others live in obscene luxary. Unreal.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:33 amAs long as there are millions of gullible people, these religious hucksters will be around. Stay tuned for when Huckabee runs for president. He will be waving the flag and thumping the Bible. History is replete with the mixing religion and politics which is very dangerous.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:34 amPat Robertson and his kind disgust me. Wringing out all they can from the faithful viewers, many of then old and sick, to enrich his coffers and TV empire. Don’t know what god he is listening too, the one I was raised to believe in, was not hateful, like his god. Hopefully Robertson resides in Texas so when Texas suceedes he will go with them.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:35 amLet them wear the noose for a while. I’ve got rope burns.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:35 amGotta love these wingnut Christians. If asked, they would all say Jesus was a white guy with long hair and a beard. They wouldn’t know Jesus if he ran over them in the street.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:36 am‘The noose has tightened around the necks of Christians.’
Then do the world a favor and step off the platform.
Imagine a world free from bigoted/feamongering/greedy/hateful wingnut christians. Peace and love would ensue.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:37 amI wonder what Pat would have to say if his God came down from the heavens and whispered in his ear, “Matthew Shepard was my son, the second coming of Jesus you’ve all been praying for.”
October 30th, 2009 at 11:39 amThe Bible teaches the opposite of the teachings of the fundies in the church. Christ taught tolerance, understanding, forgiveness. These thugs are the pharisees of our times.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:40 amPat Robertson is so right. I mean, every sermon Jesus Christ was all about keeping the gays in the closet. You just couldn’t shut up Jesus about the gays.
Pat Robertson is bearing false witness about the teaching of Jesus Christ!
October 30th, 2009 at 11:41 amI like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.
—Mahatma Gandhi
Apparently Pat adheres to the principles expressed above.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:42 amSo many holy rollers, so few lions…
Oh God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Pat Robertson is a vile, wicked poseur who uses the naive beliefs of millions to advance his own wealth and power.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:42 amCOMMENT OF THE DAY
October 30th, 2009 at 11:43 amLooked in the mirror lately Pat?
October 30th, 2009 at 11:44 amWhat? Please show me where Christians are instructed to murder & hate?
October 30th, 2009 at 11:46 amProbably the same thing Daryll now says about the time Jesus told him it was cool to go ahead and use the title “President-Elect Huckabee” in January 08, ’cause it was in the bag.
He must have misheard Jesus.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:46 amDon’t remember where but it is accurate:
October 30th, 2009 at 11:48 am
If Pat Robertson seems to think that by prosecuting christians who kill gays as a hate crime is somehow anti-christian, then, I was deluded a long time ago into thinking Christians were all about LOVE for fellow man, (not excluding Gays). Boy was I wrong. Thanks Pat for setting me and a bunch of others straight (no pun intended). I must remember that GOD hates Gays. Guess what, I hate Christian hypocrites and your God who hates GAYS. You offend most sensibilities.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:48 amHe must have misheard Jesus.
Jesus was just into the whole Rick-Rolling phenomenon back then.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:51 amAnother perspective that I agree with.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:51 am
I noticed how these fire breathers always use the OLD Testaments then the New testaments. That way they can pick and choose their interpertation without that whole Jesus business getting in the way.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:53 amIt’s sad that zealots like Pat Robertson think that everyone who practices hristianity is a bigot. And, that somehow bigotry is a core value of his religion. And, even if you are a bigot, as long as you don’t actually go and kill or harm someone you have nothing to fear from this legislation. Pat Robertson seems to be fighting for the right not just to discriminate with impunity, but also to cause bodily harm to those he hates.
I guess it’s a slippery slope. First you couldn’t beat up people for being black. Then you couldn’t beat them up for being jewish. Now, you can’t beat them up for being gay. What’s next? You just can’t beat anyone up at all?
October 30th, 2009 at 11:53 amAnd if God does have a problem with gays I guess they will find out when they die and then whatever happens happens and its not up to you or even correct,Pat, to sockpuppet God.
October 30th, 2009 at 12:01 pmI am very unclear on something regarding the Matthew Shepard Act or other hate crime legislation. What difference does it make to define a crime as a “hate crime”, which is what the Matthew Shepard Act calls for.
Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson are serving 2 consecutive life sentences with no chance for parole. It’s not like the judge said “oh…wait…you killed a gay kid….in that case you get a lesser sentence”.
Crime is crime regardless of the “hate” label, and should be punished accordingly.
October 30th, 2009 at 12:03 pmI sure hope Pat Robertson doesn’t eat shellfish because
God hates shrimp!
That statement has as much validity as “God hates gays.”
October 30th, 2009 at 12:04 pmNow these same folks are talking about revising the bible because the of “the harmful myth that Yeschu Notsri was liberal” [a peace loving kind of guy] that doesnt fit the current ideology of Yeshua of being a blood cult war mongering authoritarian who comes back to earth and kills people because he died for their sins.
Not only would that be sockpuppeting God but Jesus and the apostles.
October 30th, 2009 at 12:09 pmAnd its not pronounced Yah Way [YHWH] but Yad Hay Vav Hay.
Sheesh.
October 30th, 2009 at 12:11 pmWe have voted into office a group of people who are opposed to many of the fundamental Christian beliefs of our nation.
Like what exactly?
Hate? That seems pretty Christian now days.
Bigotry? That seems pretty Christian now days.
Violence? That seems pretty Christian now days.
Greed? That seems pretty Christian now days.
No health care for the poor? That seems pretty Christian now days.
So it seems that yes, they are against YOUR Reichwing Christian values.
Too bad, you lost, live with it.
October 30th, 2009 at 12:14 pmPat does not speak for all of christianity and many people do good things so please lets not paint people into the same group.
October 30th, 2009 at 12:22 pmThis is a truly idiotic thing to say. Hate crimes only apply when there is criminal behavior like murder or such.
So Robertson is implicitly saying Christians routinely engage in criminal behavior.
October 30th, 2009 at 12:23 pmDon’t you just love the violent imagery the likes of Christian Broadcasting Network, televangelist Pat Robertson and those like him use?
Christians. Homegrown terrorists.
October 30th, 2009 at 12:24 pmShayne says:
The legislation is about hate “crimes” Pat. You’re free to hate all you want if that’s what trips your trigger just don’t hurt anybody. But keep talking so the rest of the country sees how fundamentalism is a sickness.
Hate speech should never be protected under the first amendment. Congress should amend the Matthew Shepherd Hate Crimes Prevention Act with a ban on hate speech so idiots like Pat Robertson goes where he belongs. In Prison. His hateful bile is responsible for the many hate crimes inflicted on gays, lesbians, bi-sexuals, transgenders, blacks and others the haters like himself who have fallen victim to hate crimes.
Hate speech is a hate crime and must be treated as such.
Please amend the new law.
October 30th, 2009 at 12:28 pmXisithrus, I agree with you but I wish more Christians would speak up rather than let loony extremists like Robertson et all define Christianity in such anti-Christian ways.
October 30th, 2009 at 12:29 pmIsn’t Pat Robertson describing what the Republicans were doing in the years 2000 to 2006? Pat Robertson is not a Christian. He’s a corporate narcissist. His Anti-Christian cronies supported Bush and got installed into every facet of Bush’s government, with little or no qualifications.
October 30th, 2009 at 12:31 pmMullah Pat Robertson = Religious leader of the fundimental Christian terrorist organization known as the American Taliban.
You are no Christian Mullah Robertson. You are no different than the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11. Those fundies are your kind.
October 30th, 2009 at 12:33 pmPat Robertson used to at least appear to be a reasonable person. But for several years now, he seems to have lost it.
Hate Crimes means you can’t physically attack, torture, and/or kill. These also seem outside the teachings of Christ who ate with publicans, sinners, and harlots.
You can still preach all you want that it is an abomination (although the scriptural evidence is questionable – as the major verse on this in Revelations includes “the effeminate” in a list of those who will not be in Heaven. But also in that list are the adulterers, liars, etc.).
Let him who is without sin, cast the first stone, Pat.
October 30th, 2009 at 12:34 pmPAT ROBERTSON: We have voted into office a group of people who are opposed to many of the extremely fundamentalist Christian beliefs of our business.
There. Fixed.
October 30th, 2009 at 12:37 pmTroll says:
We have voted into office a group of people who are opposed to many of the fundamental Christian beliefs of our nation. And they hold to radical ideology, and they are beginning put people sharing their points of view into high office. And not only that, they not only have control of both houses of Congress.
And what Xtian fundimental beliefs are you talking about little troll?
The Xtian fundimental beliefs that it’s ok to murder and oppress gays, leasbians, bi-sexuals and transgenders?
The Xtian fundimental beliefs to oppress the poor in example, deny them the FUNDIMENTAL right to affordable healthcare?
The Xtian fundimental beliefs to oppress and kill blacks, latinos and other brown colored people for example the Muslims?
So to you Jesus hates the above and prefers that they all should be killed?
The Xtian fundimental beliefs to kill and oppress anyone who disagrees with your warped beliefs in example Liberals?
YOU ARE THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT JESUS CHRIST TRUELY TAUGHT US!
YOU ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN! YOU ARE A ZEALOT! THE DEVIL’S ADVOCATE DISGUISED AS JESUS!
YOU ARE A TERRORIST!
FCK YOU!
STFU!
October 30th, 2009 at 12:39 pmLuis Chapulin M says:
PAT ROBERTSON: We have voted into office a group of people who are opposed to many of the extremely fundamentalist Christian beliefs of our business.
Exactly.
October 30th, 2009 at 12:41 pmIt’s good that Pat is coming right out and admitting that his brand of radical Christianity requires murder, hatred, and oppression to be true to it’s “values”. Too bad those values have nothing to do with what Christianity traditionally was supposed to be about.
Unfortunately, I have plenty of in-laws who will agree with Pat, and shake their heads in disgust at how “persecuted” they are as Christians. They are always complaining about it, as in their minds, anything preventing them from shoving their vile beliefs down everyone else’s throat is “persecution”. Of course, they do not believe that anyone of any different worldview, even a Christian of a different denomination, should have the same right to push their beliefs. That would also “persecute” them.
October 30th, 2009 at 12:41 pmfor a refresher on Robertson
above article saved HERE
and Charles Taylor is
WHY is Robertson such a force in the Christian world??
October 30th, 2009 at 12:44 pmIn other words, he wants to see “Christians” being able to attack and even murder gays with impunity. This is one very sick human being.
October 30th, 2009 at 12:48 pmanother article about Robertson, the fake Christian:
October 30th, 2009 at 12:49 pmPat Robertson’s Katrina Cash
By Max Blumenthal
Just as it should be Pat, as it should be.
The devoutly religious people are the most dangerous people on earth.
October 30th, 2009 at 12:59 pmFrom Lee’s post;
“… Later in the segment, he implied Democrats in Congress were “opposed to many of the fundamental Christian beliefs”:
PAT ROBERTSON: The noose has tightened around the necks of Christians to keep them from speaking out on certain moral issues. And it all was embodied in something called the Hate crimes bill that President Obama said was a major victory for America. …”
Pat Robertson is just an old corrupt publicity whore barking at the moon. The original bill, well before the Matthew Shepard amendment, already extended the protection of the law to the religious, and it specifically excludes prosecution under the act of protected expression. So, if someone physically attacks a Christian on the basis of religion, that is a hate crime; if someone calls for the lynching or murder of Christians, or violence against Christians, on the basis of religion, that would constitute a hate crime. OTOH, if some Christianists, like Pat Robertson, want to continue to rail against the LBGT community about morality, of which Robertson apparently knows very little, that is protected, as long as it doesn’t cross the line to incitement.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:00 pmPAT ROBERTSON: We have voted into office a group of people who are opposed to many of the extremely fundamentalist Christian beliefs of our business.
Too bad that ‘ol Pat is still talking about 2000 through 2004. Since that time, there are many more Democrats in office, and not the anti-American, anti-Christian Republicans!
October 30th, 2009 at 1:05 pm@ 102. To put it slightly differently, the law as originally enacted and in it’s new amended form, made Christianity, along with all other religions, a practice protected under the law from haters who would do violence to the practitioners.
At the same time, it does tighten the noose, more like a choke chain collar, around the neck of Christianist haters like Pat Robertson.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:05 pmRobertson is another one of those end timers who push rhetoric which they feel will quicken the return of Jesus Christ, whether it’s rhetoric that pushes invading Iran which would possibly lead to WWIII or Armageddon or rhetoric that pushes the plight of Christians where in the bible it states during the tribulation Christian’s will again be persecuted. Sorry Pat, there isn’t any noose being tightened around the Christian’s neck. He is just drumming up paranoia over a bill that protects a certain group of people whom he and his ilk despise.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:09 pmIt’s frighteningly easy to read this as: not allowing Christians to commit hate crimes is discrimination.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:11 pmcmac says:
It’s frighteningly easy to read this as: not allowing Christians to commit hate crimes is discrimination.
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Let’s take it one step further. We all know that the gNOp is the party of God and family values along with radical far right wing extremists and the American Taliban so perhaps to them this bill reads as: not allowing “real” American Patriots (Republicans) to commit hate crimes is discrimination.
At any time over the last 30 years, Christians could have come together as a group and denounced people like Robertson. Have they done that? No.
But they sure are good at disavowing him every time he farts out a new diatribe of hate.
Sorry, but I’ve come to believe that most Christians are just pure B.S.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:19 pmIn regards to my comment at 105, I have first hand experience of republicans (religious right)who use scripture as a way to prove that the end is near and that Christians are under attack as was spoken of during the tribulation.
My sister and her husband are huge supporters of Michele Bachmann and during a ‘debate’ over Bachmann, my sister pointed out that Bachmann is being attacked because she is a Christian just like it states in the bible.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:20 pmNinerFan @ 108 says:
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Yep and yet they expect Muslims to reject the leaders of Islamic extremist groups.
Robertson, Hagee and others of their kind will fight against abortion, against gay rights, gay marriage but they won’t speak out against usury and war or support affordable health care for all.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:24 pmUncle Fester – and now, some Christian democrats are making noises about not supporting health care reform because public money might pay for abortions.
They make me sick.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:30 pmThe hatred & ignorance of faux-Christians like Robertson & so many others like him is absolutely astounding. Spewing exaggerated, dishonest garbage doesn’t make it true. They lie in order to hurt others, & that’s just one of their many sins.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:32 pmEvangelical Christians are in the habit of making a mockery of martyrdom. Rather than seeing the horror of it, they vicariously identify with it in the most flimsy ways. Maybe that self-crucification kit I’ve designed in my head would sell. It would have a big cardboard cross they could drag around. They are so enamored with the sound of their cross scraping the floor, might as well sell them the prop.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:44 pmI didn’t realize that beating and killing people they disagreed with was a core Christian value. You learn something everyday I guess.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:49 pm‘that gay marriage would lead to a “legalization of polygamy, bestiality, child molestation and pedophilia.”’
I think what Robertson’s trying to talk about is a legal precedent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precedent
I really would blow off Robertson’s predictions as nothing but right wing crap were it not for more than 100 people in the American film industry, including Woody Allen, Martin Scorsese, Darren Aronofsky, and David Lynch signing a petition calling for Roman Polanski’s release.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:49 pmGood.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:51 pmWhy did we chose a few hollywood folk and the Polanski matter while ignoring the whole plural marriage old school Mormon groups?
October 30th, 2009 at 1:53 pmHey Patsy, If the noose fits, go hang yourself.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:56 pmThe Christian conservatives need someone to hate because without a target, their flock would be paying more attention to what the leaders are doing. That would necessarily call into question their practices, personal and private. Most of these leaders could not withstand scrutiny as to how they raise money and what it is spent on. Most of the televangelists live a very high lifestyle with expensive homes, cars, etc., while many of their flock have a mediocre lifestyle.
October 30th, 2009 at 2:18 pmSo Pat’s version of Christianity that he and the GOP follows is based on “hate”?
I’ll buy that! Thanks for proving what I’ve always known pat! LOL!
October 30th, 2009 at 2:51 pmMarion “Pat” Robertson is a fraud. He claims to be a Christian even though one of his first adult decisions was to dishonor his parents by rejecting his given name. Since then it’s just gotten worse. The only things that are even real to this POS are his ego, his greed, and the voices in his head.
The sad part though, is that millions buy his shtick. Until such time as we reject all the childish fantasies of religion? We live with the constant danger of falling into another dark age. In fact, one could argue that we’ve been in a dark age from the moment Ronnie Raygun legitimized these snake oil salesmen. The continuing hold that foolish dogma has upon good, though unsophisticated, people just may be the single greatest threat to human survival.
October 30th, 2009 at 3:12 pmWhy is Robertson the Christian Mouthpiece ?
I don’t know myself, but a two of items that certainly contributed:
He is from a wealthy, politically endowed family (father was Absalom Robertson). I wonder if there is a connection with “The Family” of C Street fame ?
He forged pioneered the TV church at a time when this was a novel approach. Of course, there are questions about his political connections providing access to this market.
In the beginning, he seemed a fairly reasonable person. He then leveraged his prestige to all sorts of areas including recommending investments in gold which he reportedly may have some connections.
Looking at the hate crime law, I would remind him that there was a time, within my lifetime, where churches were used as a point of meeting to make plans on how to string up dark-skinned people.
October 30th, 2009 at 3:20 pmPat the Satan worshipper is at it again and youbeta the Republican Christians are following his every word. Somethings and people never change, I know he’ll be glad to see Hitler in Hell.
October 30th, 2009 at 3:26 pmWhy would any Christian be concerned about limits on hate crimes? I mean, the phrase “hate crime” does have the word “crime” in it. It’s not a hate crime, unless a crime has been committed.
So, is Pat saying that Christians are being prevented from committing a crime, and that hinders people like him?
Don’t worry, Pat. They didn’t pass a law against “hating”, just criminal acts based on hate. So, please, feel free to continue to hate in an unrestricted fashion.
October 30th, 2009 at 3:55 pmI forgot to mention, Google “Pat Robertson Diamond Mines”, for a big insight into this guy’s character:
Here’s just a snippet from Wikipedia:
October 30th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
We have voted into office a group of people who are opposed to many of the fundamental Christian beliefs of our nation.
Hm “Christian beliefs of our nation”. I did not know we were a Christian nation. Nor do I beleive they are fundamental. What’s fundmental of this nation is a thing called the Constitution and Bill of Rights. And apparently Pat’s not familiar with it.
Pat apparently didn’t take note that a majority of our founding fathers did force practice of any religion. Actually, our founding fathers were happy because they were escaping the religious persecusion occuring in Europe at the time. Therefore, they didn’t care much if you did or didn’t practice a religion……that’s why there’s this thing called “seperation of church and state” which is evident in the First Amendment.
So Pat. Stop projecting your ideals and misconstrued interpretation of history on others, especially your followers.
October 30th, 2009 at 5:11 pmThis man is not a Christian, never has been, never will be. He is as close as you can come to being the devil himself. To be a Christian you must try to be at least somewhat Christ like. He just doesn’t get it. If I believed in hell, I would tell him to rot there. He is so fill with HATE.
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October 30th, 2009 at 5:15 pmoktober says:
We have voted into office a group of people who are opposed to many of the fundamental Christian beliefs of our nation.
Hm “Christian beliefs of our nation”. I did not know we were a Christian nation.
We aren’t either. The right wing extremists are prone to revisionist history. Just like the Taliban/Al Qaeda likes to rewrite the values of Islam to mean the most heinous and distorted representation possible.
Our founding fathers were in rejection of “Christian and Fundamentalist” ideas, being children of the “Enlightenment”. That’s why we don’t talk about “Jesus” in the founding documents, and why we have separation of church and state.
The Christian fundies in the US are just as dangerous and radical as the Islamic and Jewish radicals of the middle east.
October 30th, 2009 at 5:16 pmdeblacksmith says:
This man is not a Christian, never has been, never will be.
Actually he’s quite Christian in the Roman/historical perspective of Christian thought.
This is why we separated church from state in the US – to separate this sort of radical extremism from the government.
October 30th, 2009 at 5:18 pm“The noose has tightened around the necks of Christian bigots”
October 30th, 2009 at 7:10 pmWe all may need legislation to control our hateful impulses; however, most people are already in the regular habit of intentionally renouncing hate, in our world, our community, and our own families. Religion, as one of our most important social institutions, takes aim at the individuals’ problem of reconciliation, but as it is then becomes further magnified toward societal solutions; but rather than pointing to specific political solutions, religion, otherwise, refers to an awareness of our painful commonality, wherein, all human beings, make human errors.
October 30th, 2009 at 10:34 pmHmmm… methinks Pat is going to be a bit surprised when he reaches the afterlife and learns what he was *really* supposed to be doing as a Christian.
October 30th, 2009 at 10:42 pmRe: spearNmagichelmet @ 59:
A big cat with severe indigestion is _not_ a pretty sight.
October 31st, 2009 at 1:18 ammissmolly says:
WHY does anybody still listen to this hateful bigot? He represents true Christianity about as well as Casanova represented chastity.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:33 am
October 31st, 2009 at 1:24 amHe represents xtians perfectly.
Virtual Pebble says:
From Lee’s post;
“… Later in the segment, he implied Democrats in Congress were “opposed to many of the fundamental Christian beliefs”:
PAT ROBERTSON: The noose has tightened around the necks of Christians to keep them from speaking out on certain moral issues. And it all was embodied in something called the Hate crimes bill that President Obama said was a major victory for America. …”
Pat Robertson is just an old corrupt publicity whore barking at the moon. The original bill, well before the Matthew Shepard amendment, already extended the protection of the law to the religious, and it specifically excludes prosecution under the act of protected expression. So, if someone physically attacks a Christian on the basis of religion, that is a hate crime; if someone calls for the lynching or murder of Christians, or violence against Christians, on the basis of religion, that would constitute a hate crime. OTOH, if some Christianists, like Pat Robertson, want to continue to rail against the LBGT community about morality, of which Robertson apparently knows very little, that is protected, as long as it doesn’t cross the line to incitement.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
October 31st, 2009 at 1:27 amThat’s ridiculous! Their hate speech shouldn’t be protected in their dens of idiocy, otherwise known as churches. The only place it should be allowed is echoing around their empty little heads.
Maplestreet #122 above has it right. Senator Abasalom Willis Robertson was Pat Robertson’s father and a board member of “The Family”. Pat Robertson has been an associate of theirs for many years; they use him only cautiously though because he is so wacko. All who want to know about “The Family” must read the book by that name by Jeff Sharlett. It will educate you on what this powerful organization has done to the world under the false flag of so-called Christianity. Their basic belief is that powerful men are such because God chose them and made them powerful to do his will – therefor, they believe, anything they do is God’s will and though it might be illegal or disgraceful for others, it is OK for them. And they defend each other vehemently. You may recall that G. W. Bush actually said that he believed that whatever he did was God’s will. PLEASE READ THE BOOK!
October 31st, 2009 at 3:04 amI’ll give that rope a yank.
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It’s people like Pat who are causing young people to flee. Many young Evangelicals are shunning thier parents beliefs and concentrating on things THEY consider important. The Environment, Social Justice and poverty. To many young people, their elders only care about homosxuality and abortion.
It’s not just in the evangelical church; there are many people in my own denomination (presbyterian) who say the exact same things about abortion and homosexuality, but then again, they tend to be older (50’s or 60’s ish), and they are only a small minority. The sad thing is, my denomination is one of the more liberal denominations out there. This is why I left the Republican Party…
October 31st, 2009 at 1:55 pmHave Robertson and his ilk ever considered the fact that perhaps LBGT are PEOPLE [human beings] and therefore, are entitled to live life just like anyone else. Who gave him the right to determine who should have rights and who shouldn’t?
It’s absolutely enough to turn anyone against religions, but more importantly, against his belief system which includes HATRED.
October 31st, 2009 at 5:11 pmActually, amazing that Robertson thinks it is fine to support any group that supports lynching or killing of someone who is gay. I think he forgets the Scripture that says, “Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord.” But the problem with such doctrinaire Christians is that they totally misunderstand the Lord’s provision for free will choices and for his instructions for those of us who name his name to be loving and Christ-like and to judge not lest we be judged. Perhaps the sin of hateful attitudes may qualify for a disclaimer on that brand of Christianity.
November 1st, 2009 at 12:22 amThat’s right Pat. In God We Trust, not in your perversion of the life of Christ. So, we are limiting your hatred by telling you that you have the right to hate us as much as you please, but you no longer have the right to kill us in the name of Jesus. Surely a sign of End Days, huh Pat.
November 1st, 2009 at 12:52 pmActually, Robertson misses the entire command of Jesus and that is that we need to be kind to those who oppose us and to do good for them. His jaded idea of Christianity is the noose around Christiana’s neck. Jesus himself is recorded to have associated himself with sinners. all this palaver by the silly Christians who feel so superior to others is not Christ Like in the least bit. They make a mockery of the gospel. My own family had the beautiful ministry of the Church when my Stepdad got drunk and beat up my little brother. We were poor, poor, poor and as I grew up, I felt so grateful that this Salvation Army Captain could see past our undone situation ahead to what our entire family could become. Thank God that they were not the judgmental prigs that the far right are today. We would still be in the poor trough. They lovingly taught us to clean up, dress up and to speak up. Thanks Orval.
November 1st, 2009 at 7:48 pmZooey says:
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PAT ROBERTSON: The noose has tightened around the necks of Christians to keep them from speaking out on certain moral issues.
Hate all you want, “Christians” — just keep it to yourselves.
Who put “Christians” in charge of morality anyway? They suck at it!
October 30th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Who put “Christians” in charge of morality anyway?
The Founders…perhaps…
John Adams said the following…
Adams also remarked:
Adams, John (1850-1856), The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, ed. Charles Adams (Boston, MA: Little, Brown, & Company).
Who put “Christians” in charge of morality anyway? They suck at it!
If you’re so certain about this, why don’t you suggest someone else?
November 4th, 2009 at 10:22 pm