Why Hatch Is Really Blocking Health Reform: Americans Will Love The New System And Vote Democratic
Why Hatch Is Really Blocking Health Reform: Americans Will Love The New System And Vote Democratic
In a new interview with CNS News, Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) repeated his concern that requiring Americans to purchase health insurance is unconstitutional. Hatch offered typical run-of-the-mill conservative arguments about “socialized medicine.” But at one point, he let it slip that the real reason he is trying to stop health care reform is that the American public might really like it and therefore vote for Democrats:
HATCH: That’s their goal. Move people into government that way. Do it in increments. They’ve actually said it. They’ve said it out loud.
Q: This is a step-by-step approach —
HATCH: A step-by-step approach to socialized medicine. And if they get there, of course, you’re going to have a very rough time having a two-party system in this country, because almost everybody’s going to say, “All we ever were, all we ever are, all we ever hope to be depends on the Democratic Party.”
Q: They’ll have reduced the American people to dependency on the federal government.
HATCH: Yeah, you got that right. That’s their goal. That’s what keeps Democrats in power.
Watch it (at approx. 19:50):
A scenario whereby the two-party system is abolished because of government-run health care is unlikely at best. Republicans were also fear-mongering about the “socialized” system that became Medicare. In 1961, Ronald Reagan stated:
[I]f you don’t [stop Medicare] and I don’t do it, one of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it once was like in America when men were free.
Republicans, of course, have had no problem getting elected with Medicare in place, and they now wholeheartedly support the program (recognizing that it’s popular with American seniors). For months, it’s been clear that electoral considerations are behind the GOP’s efforts to block reform. In July, Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) said that if they could “stall” or “block” any legislation, it would be a “huge gain” for the 2010 elections.
In June, President Obama pointed out Republican’s illogical opposition to a public plan, saying that if government-run health care will really be as bad as they say it will be, how could it “drive” private insurers out of business anyway?
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November 2nd, 2009 at 6:01 pmAccording to Anthony Weiner, Orin Hatch (R-CIGNA) has the public option (Medicare)…and apparently loves it.
Did Hatch vote Democratic in the last election?
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:07 pmIn other words, Senator, you and your cohorts are finally beginning to feel the fear you have been sowing for over fifty years. Your ideas have all been failures and you have nothing of value to offer the average American.
And the evil ideas of the Democrats have helped to keep our country alive, in spite of your best efforts to kill them. Social Security, Medicare, Civil Rights, Medicaid, you fear them like a vampire fears a cross.
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:07 pmWhere is the poll that asks Americans about how much they love paying the socialized losses of failed banks, CEO’s, billionaires and corporations?
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:08 pmSenator Hatch,
What would your good friend, Ted Kennedy, think of you now for saying such nonsense? You are an embarrassment, Senator, to all the decent human beings in this country. I think it’s time you think about retiring. Seriously.
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:08 pmProgressives/liberals: We all just witnessed Senator Hatch blink.
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:12 pmHatchface, it is called “Doing what is right for the American People”
Not, “What will benefit the Republican Fascist Party and harm the Country”
See the Difference? “Dems: Doing what is right & Repukes: harming the Country”
Totally different.
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:14 pmHATCH: “All we ever were, all we ever are, all we ever hope to be depends on the Democratic Party.”
That’s odd ; I know a lot of Americans that have been saying that same exact thing for decades , Senator.
They’re called LIBERALS/PROGRESSIVES , jackass…..And they’re absolutely correct.
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:18 pmYour chickens have come to roost. This is god’s own medicine Republicans.
Down the Hatch.
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:18 pmLooks like America is having a “break up” with the Republicans.
Sorry republicans, it isn’t you, it’s us. You haven’t changed, we have. We’ve grown, moved on, and you Republicans haven’t, so this is goodbye.
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:18 pmThinking about Charmed’s (#2) and the story about the McCain adviser who’s looking for health insurance (http://snipurl.com/diequickly) health reform would have been better served if all the legislators and their family members were stripped of their insurance at the outset. Then their legislation would be informed by our real world travails.
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:19 pmIncidentally, Cheney won’t recall any of this.
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:20 pmSenator, can you name one major piece of legislation the Republicans have sponsored that has truly benefited anyone but the rich?
Social Security gave Americans at least a minimum of money to retire on and didn’t kill the private investment market.
Medicare provided the same and didn’t kill the insurance market (mores the pity)
Civil Rights opened doors of opportunity and helped America grow and didn’t kill America.
Medicaid provided healthcare for millions of underprivileged Americans and didn’t cause the downfall of the country.
You Republicans have always catered to the wealthy and given us numerous recessions, wars, and vastly increased government.
So, please tell me, just what is it you do for our country and why shouldn’t you feel very afraid that the average American is sick and tired of your ideas about corporate welfare?
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:21 pmFinally, the truth– Repubs hate health care reform, & will do anything to block it, lying, smearing, etc. — because they know it is popular & will lose them votes.
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:22 pmRepubs- anti-American, anti-country, pro-failure.
14 dasm says:
Anti-everything but more Repubs, like fire.
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:25 pmWhy in the hell don’t the Dems hammer the garbage GOP on issues such as this ?
The Republicans lyingly try to conflate the idiocy and dishonesty inherent in invading Iraq with being “weak” and/or “anti-American” , when neither has anything remotely to do with it ; yet the Dems never call out someone like Hatch or any GOP tool for obviously standing against health care being made available for each and every American , out of pure partisan politics and greed.
Get a clue and get some balls , Dems…………….
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:31 pmHey, Orrin: From your lips to God’s ear. I would love it if every American can to realize that the Republican Party as it has been for the past 40 years is just designed to comfort the comfortable and lie to everyone else. Unfortunately, about a third of the population is too stupid to realize any of this and will continue to vote Republican, especially in the old South and Utah, so the rest of us will have to keep dealing with greedy, self-centered idiots like you. But we can dream.
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:31 pmAtrios sums up what Hatch is saying: “Orrin Hatch says we can’t have health care reform because it will be awesome and everyone will love it and they’ll be so grateful that they will vote for Democrats for all eternity.”
– - Or, say, you GOP’ers could come up with an even better plan so the voters love YOU more.
Ok, maybe a plan that’s the Dem’s equal.
Ok, maybe a plan that benefits just a few.
Ok, how about just A PLAN?
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:33 pmAs far as Hatch on abortion..
who the hell are these ‘pro-abortion’ people he speaks of? This whole argument has bothered me since day one. ‘Pro-life’ is no less misleading than ‘The Patriot Act’
Read my lips: I’m against abortion. BUT… I cannot reconcile the fact that I can’t tell you not to have one.. since I cannot find a way to show it’s affect on me. Drunk Driving.. affects me – Crack heads.. affect me. But I can’t as an individual say you cannot reasonably end a pregnancy. I imagine I could consider the foetus a citizen.. but I haven’t been able to prove this argument ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’. Is a deer you shoot a life? Is that deer more or less cognizant than a 3 month foetus? If I have to prove my viewpoint.. then you have to prove yours.. I’m against abortion. And as a 37 year old male I promise not to have one.. but my vote on what women should do with their reproductive organs is as meaningless as all republican drivel.
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:36 pmYep, that’s what the right wing fringe (conservatives) are scared of the most: PROGRESS, DEMOCRATIC/LIBERAL IDEAS, AND A STABLE AMERICA! They have no new ideas themselves, so naturally they would be scared out of their minds that Americans might notice this fact!
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:51 pmOrrin Hatch,
Please teach me the ways of the Republican life so I can truly enjoy my life on this earth and god will be accepting me with open arms in the next.
Oh please, please, please show me the path to enlightenment and truth.
Groveling, flight
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:57 pm#10 ape-man… that was funny as hell. classic.
After the break up though, can we get our stuff back? Like several trillion dollars? And can they move out… I mean.. really move out? I can’t imagine who would take them..
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:57 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Serf’s up, eh Hatch?
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:58 pm“All we ever were, all we ever are, all we ever hope to be depends on the Democratic Party.”
And nothing we are, and everything we will never be is depends on the defeat of the Republican party.
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:58 pmP. S. Excuse me, I have to barf.
It’s a thing with Republican principles these days.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:00 pmShorter Hatch:
“It’s all over but the whining, wailing, and gnashing of teeth.”
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:02 pmlux says:
And as a 37 year old male I promise not to have one.. but my vote on what women should do with their reproductive organs is as meaningless as all republican drivel.
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:36 pm
I don’t agree with your stand on abortion, but certainly respect the amount of thought you’ve given the issue. That’s what is important — actual thought. Thanks.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:05 pmMr. Duke:
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:06 pmAre you a one trick pony?
Mr.Duke says:
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Yep, they love the welfare/nanny state. … never turn down a freebie at others expense. .. embarrassing.
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:57 pm
As opposed to the garbage GOP , who insist on paying for their own health insurance and refuse their government/socialist/nanny state health care , eh , dipshit ?
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:08 pmMr.Duke @23
Who loves the welfare/nanny state … and what does welfare have to do with HC reform?
I would say YOU ARE the embarrassment.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:08 pmMr.Duke@ 23,
Glad to see the Principled Republican, Orrin Hatch.
Yep, they love the welfare/nanny state. … never turn down a freebie at others expense. .. embarrassing.
I see you feel the same way about Halliburton as I do.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:08 pmYep, they love the welfare/nanny state.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:10 pm—-
Who exactly are “they”?
Again with attacking the Democratic Party for trying to act like the GOP. Wasn’t it Rove, Cheney, Addington, Card, et al who wanted to insure that there was a one party government of the US, the Republicans. Rigging elections, manipulating media, establishing a media network as their propaganda arm, violating every precept of the US Constitution–these were just the calling cards in their dismantling the democratic processes in the US. Then they allowed their associates to plunder all the wealth of the nation, move it offshore and free from taxation, and ride off into the sunsets of their lives free to dare the Democrats to do the same.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:11 pm“Who exactly are “they”?”
I took Mr. Duke as referring to the politicians…
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:11 pmlux says:
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I’m against abortion. And as a 37 year old male I promise not to have one.. but my vote on what women should do with their reproductive organs is as meaningless as all republican drivel.
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Your vote is not “meaningless”.
And I am NOT “FOR” abortion ; I am simply for a woman’s right to choose……………..
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:12 pmdbadass says: “Mr. Duke: Are you a one trick pony?”
Yep. Same old objectivist claptrap every single time. Because “altruism is evil” right Mr. Duke? And greed is natural and healthy. We know. We heard. Yawn.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:12 pmFinally we get the truth: Republicans really are running to be the party of “no” and to stop any level of progress within the government. This is truly scary…
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:13 pmI find them less “scary” with each passing day, 00mpp00. The remaining dregs of the GOP, in addition to turning on each other, are marginalizing themselves more with every rant.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:18 pmHow ironic, raygun’s son is gay and he couldn’t remember not to drool in the end.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:19 pmZooey.. I respect your view as well -
the point being though: Republicans are known war-mongers, avid hunters, and quicker than any to fry someone on death row.
How can anyone listen to their proselytizing about the ’sanctity of life’ and take it seriously. They don’t have this view because they cherish life… any idiot can see that – minus a Republican.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:20 pmlux,
I’m an avid, life-long, hunter myself. And I can’t identify a single Republican among my old hunting buddies. Most of them even overcame the racism that breeds in rural Minnesota which simply has no minorities aside from a few who trace their ancestors to the First Nations.
While certainly more conservative than a typical urban liberals, the Minnesota farmers, most of whom hunt, seem to be pretty good at seeing the failures of the GOP.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:30 pmlux says:
How can anyone listen to their proselytizing about the ’sanctity of life’ and take it seriously. They don’t have this view because they cherish life… any idiot can see that – minus a Republican.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Exactly.
The Rs also fall down on the job in their preaching about morality and the “sanctity of marriage.” Then they get caught in a diaper with a hooker. Sheesh…
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:31 pmPete – no offense… I figured my comment might accidentally alienate some Democrats.
I’m against hunting.. but I eat meat – so I’m just a hypocrite. But the Democratic party isn’t hypocritical on it’s stance on issues like this.. it’s not my place to tell you not to hunt. We’re for choice.. I was only pointing out the glaringly obvious fact that whenever it’s a choice of kill or not kill.. the Republicans shout KILL at the top of their lungs… usually without even hearing the question.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:36 pmHatch has inadvertently “spilled the beans” on the real reason that the GOP opposes health care reform: people will love it and will stop voting for Republican’ts.
Note to Orrin: the fact that the GOP is on the wrong side of so many issues is only one of many reasons that people have stopped voting for Republican’ts.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:38 pmMr.Duke says:
Yep, they love the welfare/nanny state. … never turn down a freebie at others expense. .. embarrassing.
And it comes at our expense too. Every RC Cola can we leave lying around, the govt. comes and takes to provide the free benefits to the illweegals. I feel my freedom is being robbed from me like a wild cat in the night.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:41 pmHatch is expressing the frustration of many conservatives who think they are entitled to run the country even though they lost the presidency and Congress. They elected Bush and now they can’t get far enough away from him. Elections have consequences. The Republicans better get accustomed to their minority status for the next decade because considering the current crop of new leaders, it looks pretty grim.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:49 pmMan, if people don’t understand that libertarian philosophy is a religion by now, they never will. The entire premise of their “movement” has been shattered over and over. Every single time government removes regulations from capitalism, capitalists crap in their own sandbox and screw everything up. Every time.
Libertarians have their heads stuffed so completely up their dogma that they haven’t noticed.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:49 pm“All we ever were, all we ever are, all we ever hope to be depends on the Democratic Party.”
Q: They’ll have reduced the American people to dependency on the federal government.
HATCH: Yeah, you got that right. That’s their goal. That’s what keeps Democrats in power.
… as opposed to …?
Dependency upon the good will of our employers????
That would be better, eh? That’s all we have now, Orrin.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:55 pmI’d rather get MY healthcare from MY government than from MY boss.
The conservatives would rather it not be my government.
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:59 pmNinerFan says:
Libertarians have their heads stuffed so completely up their dogma that they haven’t noticed.
They still believe in Reaganomics and an unfettered free market. This was Greenspan’s philosophy and he was appointed by Reagan. The fallacy of the Libertarians is that it fails to stop abuses of the economic system. Even Greenspan admitted that point. That leaves nothing left of the Libertarian economic views. They don’t get the fact that such policies lead to this economic horror story.
November 2nd, 2009 at 8:02 pmNo offense taken, lux. If it’s any consolation I’m not a big fan of “trophy hunting” or leg-hold traps. I just love eating wild birds and the occasional piece of venison.
November 2nd, 2009 at 8:03 pmI will settle for any improvement over the current system, as long as there is a Public Option, no matter how weak it may be at the beginning.
Word will get out, and the Public Option will grow stronger and stronger.
Screw the repiggies, screw the health insurance cabal, and screw the teabagger trash.
Let’s get this done.
November 2nd, 2009 at 8:38 pmThe worst bill ever — OMG
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703399204574505423751140690.html
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:00 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
So Mr. Duke are you?
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:35 pmParty before country, the GOP mantra
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:50 pmconservative guy @ 55
We the majority are enumerating those powers to our congress. Jefferson also had the foresight to note that the constitution was workable enough that each generation would have plenty practical discretion with the constitution to keep the country viable. The constitution is a living document and grows with the country, not some piece of parchment fixed in 1776.
I will also note that you conservatives have trampled on basic rights guaranteed by the constitution and didn’t even wince. You can’t trample over fundamental rights and then belabor the areas where latitude exists.
I believe the word is lack of sincerity. The constitution only exists for your own talking points, otherwise the thing be dammed.
November 2nd, 2009 at 10:12 pmconservative guy @ 55,
I don’t view health care as charity. Health care is a necessity. Every country in the west is providing health care for their citizens. I am not sure of your view of society, but I do think its in the countries present and future interest to provide basic health care to its citizens.
I just don’t understand the warped reasoning concerning health care. I fear the future without any viable reform. Visions of a 3rd world country coming to mind.
November 2nd, 2009 at 10:23 pmGame of Life
I hate to burst your bubble…but Ron Reagan isn’t gay. He is happily married to a woman and living in Seattle.
November 2nd, 2009 at 10:55 pmThe things I find fascinating in the wingnut shift on health care:
1) They attack the public option as a socialist giveaway.
Even a single payer system is nothing more than direct government interaction with fo-profit free enterprise doctors, hospitals, clinics, and pharmaceutical companies. It would simply get rid of corrupt middlemen skimming money.
2) the public option is a giveaway? The public option is a givreaway? The public option is a kind of health insurance that people buy. Yes, you heard me: the people go out and spend money to get.
So the people spend money they earn, and the government gives the money to private enterprises who provide services.
And that’s ssssssocialism. An eeeevil giveaway!
A generation ago, the righties got a great deal of traction in contrasting good hard-working people with lazy (brown) welfare cheaters. And the middle class who worked hard to make a better life for themselves understandably resented that contrast. (If they actually saw the miserable conditions those lazy cheaters lived under as a result of that system, the indignation tended to mute itself.)
But today, who are the sneered-at freeloaders? Those same hard-working middle-class people who have college educations and a stable household where both parents work. They’re now the despised losers!
In order to have any cachet of reality at all, the trolls have to pretend they’re successful entrepreneurs.The hard-working joes of the old bigotry? They’re now the target.
And this time people aren’t buying it, because the Randist sneering is aimed at the large majority of Americans, rather than at a peripheral (racial) minority. It’s a raucous derision positioned as coming from the rich and aimed at the middle class–and people aren’t buying it.
The welfare cheats and the lazy losers got their handout healthcare decades ago. This, on the other hand, is about people who work hard and would gladly pay for health care. This is the bulk of American society they’re insulting, and it’s a disastrous shift for them.
November 2nd, 2009 at 11:05 pmHatch: …one of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it once was like in America when men were free.
I’m guessing Brandon Mayfield already tells his children this. Or rather, they learned it when they watched the rights of their father completely trampled on due to the Patriot Act.
And doing what the American people want and what you were elected to do? The horrors. Must suck to be Hatch.
November 3rd, 2009 at 1:43 amDuke you are a liar and a moron. STFU
November 3rd, 2009 at 2:03 amConservative MORON
It IS enumerated that Congress has the authority to provide for the general wellfare. My GOD you are stupid. What part of keeping people ALIVE is charity? Is it CHARITY to throw a rope to a drowning man in your soulless heartless worldview? You are ignorant and wasting our time
November 3rd, 2009 at 2:07 amWhen will the likes of Lieberman and Hatch show the courage of their convictions, and not only give up their own universal public option–Medicare–but vote to abolish it outright.
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:08 am[Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) said that if they could “stall” or “block” any legislation, it would be a “huge gain” for the 2010 elections.] There you have it America, it is NOT about the American people and what is best for us, it is about GETTING ELECTION.
November 3rd, 2009 at 10:44 amThe GOP only cares about getting elected and destroying America it does not care about the American people or America.
“All we ever were, all we ever are, all we ever hope to be depends on the Democratic Party.”
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:05 pmGoddamn right, couldn’t have said it better myself.
Finally, we get to the truth!!
November 4th, 2009 at 5:19 pm