Palin Calls Decision To Try 9/11 Defendants In Federal Court ‘Atrocious,’ Wants To ‘Hang ‘Em High’
Palin Calls Decision To Try 9/11 Defendants In Federal Court ‘Atrocious,’ Wants To ‘Hang ‘Em High’
Yesterday, Attorney General Eric Holder announced that the five individuals accused of conspiring to commit the 9/11 attacks — including alleged mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed — will be prosecuted in U.S. federal court. “I am confident in the ability of our courts to provide these defendants a fair trial, just as they have for over 200 years,” said Holder. “The alleged 9/11 conspirators will stand trial in our justice system before an impartial jury under long-established rules and procedures.”
But the U.S. justice system apparently isn’t good enough for former Alaska governor Sarah Palin (who believes that the White House has a “Department of Law“). Last night she went on Facebook and posted a message calling the Obama administration’s decision “atrocious”:
Horrible decision, absolutely horrible. It is devastating for so many of us to hear that the Obama Administration decided that the 9/11 terrorist mastermind, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, will be given a criminal trial in New York. This is an atrocious decision. [...]
Criminal defense attorneys will now enter into delaying tactics and other methods in the hope of securing some kind of win for their “clients.” The trial will afford Mohammed the opportunity to grandstand and make use of his time in front of the world media to rally his disgusting terrorist cohorts. It will also be an insult to the victims of 9/11, as Mohammed will no doubt use the opportunity to spew his hateful rhetoric in the same neighborhood in which he ruthlessly cut down the lives of so many Americans. [...]
If we are stuck with this terrible Obama Administration decision, I, like most Americans, hope that Mohammed and his co-conspirators are convicted. Hang ‘em high.
Palin further insulted the U.S. legal system by lamenting that a “hung jury” or “court room technicalities” may allow the defendants to walk away from this trial without receiving just punishment.” But the decision to make terrorists face the U.S. court system isn’t just an idea dreamed up by the Obama administration; there’s a strong precedent for it in this country. The U.S. has already successfully prosecuted 145 terrorism cases in federal court,including shoe bomber Richard Reid and Zacarias Moussaoui.
In fact, former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani praised the prosecution of the 1993 World Trade Center bombers:
-– “‘It should show that our legal system is the most mature legal system in the history of the world,’ he [Giuliani] said, ‘that it works well, that that is the place to seek vindication if you feel your rights have been violated.’” [The New York Times, 3/5/94]
-– “[M]any who were bruised by the traumatic event were certain that no verdict by a jury or punishment by a judge will exorcise the pain and terror that remain. … Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani declared that the verdict ‘demonstrates that New Yorkers won’t meet violence with violence, but with a far greater weapon — the law.’” [The New York Times, 3/5/94]
-– “I think it shows you put terrorism on one side, you put our legal system on the other, and our legal system comes out ahead,” said Giuliani. [CBS Evening News, 3/5/94]
Even in the weeks after Sept. 11, Giuliani “framed the attacks in the language of crime, describing the hijackers as ‘insane murderers’ and calling for restoration of the ‘rule of law.’” As CAP’s Ken Gude explains, Holder’s decision is a “victory for the rule of law and the American system of justice.”
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Criminal defense attorneys will now enter into delaying tactics and other methods in the hope of securing some kind of win for their “clients.”
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And that, Mrs. Palin, is exactly why I love this country. The rule of law applies to everyone, even the most despised. And that is exactly why I’m so glad you’re currently unemployed instead of working in the OEOB.
November 14th, 2009 at 2:53 pmThis is actually consistent with Ms. Palin’s views, as she does not have any respect for her oath of office as Governor of Alaska, so no reason to think she respects the Constitution either.
November 14th, 2009 at 2:53 pmIn other words, Palin does not believe in the American justice system; instead, she believes in lynching people with no fair trial, even if they might be innocent. That makes her a perfect KKK member. Let’s all remember this if she does indeed run again for any office.
November 14th, 2009 at 2:54 pmIt is nice too know that these tea baggers have so little faith in the American way and it’s far superior justice system It appears that Palin, Mccain and Beck prefer the justice system’s of dictators and banana republics
November 14th, 2009 at 2:54 pmBTW as pointed out on the RMS Criminal Justice system 350 convictions Military tribunals 3 convictions of terrorists
This is the warm-up for the executions without trials of American citizens who dissent from the holy roller/teabagger crap.
Don’t kid yourselves, folks.
These repiggies are serious about their desire to destroy undesirables and non-conformists in this nation.
If they ever attain full power in this nation again, God help us all.
November 14th, 2009 at 2:57 pmFacts don’t matter to Palin. And heaven forbid she would even attempt to learn the facts. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded something like 143 times. This repeated process has left him a basket case. He is no longer mentally capable to seize “the opportunity to grandstand and make use of his time in front of the world media to rally his disgusting terrorist cohorts” as Palin so pathetically claims. To Palin might makes right.
November 14th, 2009 at 2:58 pmHoly rollers like Palin are so violent and so full of revenge.
Evangelical Christianity today has become utterly perverted and debauched.
November 14th, 2009 at 3:04 pmI can’t believe she is complaining about defense delaying tactics, when it has taken over 8 years for some sort of justice to finally be realized.
November 14th, 2009 at 3:05 pmYe of little faith, Mrs. Palin.
You know, I do fear what this country could turn into if she were to run and somehow become President. We’d have to bring the hangman’s noose back, apparently.
November 14th, 2009 at 3:06 pmAnother reason to thank our higher power that McCain lost to Obama. Every day, that McCain and Palin open their mouths, just reaffirms the wisdom of the American people in choosing Obama in 2008. It is time for the Dems to do what the people believe they are capable of and get us on the road to real recovery.
November 14th, 2009 at 3:06 pmWhat a pathetic joke….ms I’m a tough patriotic american…can’t even take her “book” tour thru anywhere that there might be a reporter or democratic critic. She has to weasel thru the wimpy minor rethug safehouse towns. Real good sign of a strong leader. pathetic delusional hateflaming witch.
November 14th, 2009 at 3:08 pmWow, in just a brief span of words Palin shows both her ignorance of the Constitution of the United States AND her lack of respect for it. Lets face it, with every utterance by the Winking Witch of Wasilla, she further bleeds away any hope the GOP has of ever being considered a legitmate group EVER again.
November 14th, 2009 at 3:09 pmAnyone need more evidence that Bimbostien has the heart of a Fascist?
November 14th, 2009 at 3:12 pmThis is really a smart move by Obama and the Justice Department. If you were to take them before a military court and treat them as enemy combatants,that gives them some legitimacy. By trying them in a civilian court we treat them as just common criminals. This way we show the world that we treat mass murders as criminals, not enemy combatants.
November 14th, 2009 at 3:13 pmWhy exactly is this dopey broad asked her useless opinion ?
It took 6 years and 4 different schools (one that she attended twice) , for her to receive a half-assed journalism degree from a Tier 3 or 4 school ; now she’s a legal expert ?
Gimme a break ………..
November 14th, 2009 at 3:20 pmconservative guy is a brief poaaible sentence fragment agrees…
November 14th, 2009 at 3:24 pmin/possible…
November 14th, 2009 at 3:24 pmTurn the fan down…
November 14th, 2009 at 3:25 pmKhalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded something like 143 times.
Actually, it was 183 times in one month. In addition, I read something that I didn’t know yesterday as well. KSM’s sons were taken into custody and brought to the U.S. just prior to his capture. The CIA agents who interrogated him threatened that they would kill his children if he didn’t cooperate. To me, that is almost worse than the waterboarding.
As for Flailin’ Bailin’ Failin’ Palin, she is just a tool like all the others who are criticizing this trial decision. Glen Greenwald has an excellent opinion piece in Salon about this. His conclusion is that the repiggies are just too afraid to allow trials and due process in our country. I agree. We are using our courts just as India, England, Spain and Indonesia have in similar cases. Even Israel brought Adolf Eichmann to Jerulsalem to stand trial for war crimes.
Frankly, I think the repiggies are also afraid that a trial on the public record will be damaging and embarrassing to GDumbya and Darth Cheney because of the aforementioned coercive torture. That’s what’s really got them messing up their undies.
November 14th, 2009 at 3:25 pm*sarcasm* I think people just like to hate on her because she is just so Christ like. *insert record scratch*
November 14th, 2009 at 3:25 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
It’s time to revisit the odd lies of Sarah Palin. After you have read these, ask yourself: what wouldn’t Sarah Palin lie about if she felt she had to?:
Palin lied when she said the dismissal of her public safety commissioner, Walt Monegan, had nothing to do with his refusal to fire state trooper Mike Wooten; in fact, the Branchflower Report concluded that she repeatedly abused her power when dealing with both men.
Palin lied when she repeatedly claimed to have said, “Thanks, but no thanks” to the Bridge to Nowhere; in fact, she openly campaigned for the federal project when running for governor.
Palin lied when she denied that Wasilla’s police chief and librarian had been fired; in fact, both were given letters of termination the previous day.
Palin lied when she wrote in the NYT that a comprehensive review by Alaska wildlife officials showed that polar bears were not endangered; in fact, email correspondence between those scientists showed the opposite.
Palin lied when she claimed in her convention speech that an oil gas pipeline “began” under her guidance; in fact, the pipeline was years from breaking ground, if at all.
Palin lied when she told Charlie Gibson that she does not pass judgment on gay people; in fact, she opposes all rights between gay spouses and belongs to a church that promotes conversion therapy.
Palin lied when she denied having said that humans do not contribute to climate change; in fact, she had previously proclaimed that human activity was not to blame.
Palin lied when she claimed that Alaska produces 20 percent of the country’s domestic energy supply; in fact, the actual figures, based on any interpretation of her words, are much, much lower.
Palin lied when she told voters she improvised her convention speech when her teleprompter stopped working properly; in fact, all reports showed that the machine had functioned perfectly and that her speech had closely followed the script.
Palin lied when she recalled asking her daughters to vote on whether she should accept the VP offer; in fact, her story contradicts details given by her husband, the McCain campaign, and even Palin herself. (She later added another version.)
Palin lied when she claimed to have taken a voluntary pay cut as mayor; in fact, as councilmember she had voted against a raise for the mayor, but subsequent raises had taken effect by the time she was mayor.
Palin lied when she insisted that Wooten’s divorce proceedings had caused his confidential records to become public; in fact, court officials confirmed they released no such records.
Palin lied when she suggested to Katie Couric that she was involved in trade missions with Russia; in fact, she has never even met with Russian officials.
Palin lied when she told Shimon Peres that the only flag in her office was the Israeli flag; in fact, she has several flags.
Palin lied when she claimed to have tried to divest government funds from Sudan; in fact, her administration openly opposed a bill that would have done just that.
Palin lied when she repeatedly claimed that troop levels in Iraq were back to pre-surge levels; in fact, even she acknowledged her “misstatements,” though she refused to retract or apologize.
Palin lied when she insisted that the Branchflower Report “showed there was no unlawful or unethical activity on my part”; in fact, that report prominently stated, “Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.”
Palin lied when she claimed to have voiced concerns over Wooten fearing he would harm her family; in fact, she actually decreased her security detail during that period.
Palin lied when asked about the $150,000 worth of clothes provided by the RNC; in fact, solid reporting contradicted several parts of her statement.
Palin lied when she suggested that she had offered the media proof of her pregnancy with Trig to “correct the record”; in fact, no reports of her medical records were ever published; and the letter from her doctor testifying to her good health only emerged hours before polling ended on election day, even though there was nothing in it that couldn’t have been released two months earlier.
Palin lied when she said that “reported” allegations of her banning Harry Potter as mayor was easily refutable because it had not even been written yet; in fact, the first book in that series was published in 1998 – two years into her first term – and such rumors were never reported by the media, only circulated as emails.
Palin lied when she denied having participated in a clothes audit with campaign laywers; in fact, the Washington Times later confirmed those details.
Palin lied when asked about Couric’s question regarding her reading habits; in fact, Couric’s words were not, “What do you read up there in Alaska?” or anything close to condescension.
Palin lied when she mischaracterized the “$1200 check” given to Alaskans as the permanent fund dividend check; in fact, that fund had yielded $2,069 per person, and she claimed otherwise to obscure the fact that Alaskans also received a $1200 rebate check from a windfall profits tax on oil companies – a tax widely criticized by Republicans.
Palin lied when she claimed to be unaware of a turkey being slaughtered behind her during a filmed interview; in fact, the cameraman said she had picked the spot herself, while the slaughter was underway.
Palin lied when she denied having rejected federal stimulus money; in fact, she continued to accept and reject the funds several times.
Palin lied when she claimed that legislative leaders had canceled a meeting with her to hold their own press conference; in fact, they only canceled it after being told she would not participate, and the purpose of the press conference was very different from the meeting’s.
Palin lied when she announced on the news that she never holds closed-door meetings; in fact, she had just attended a closed-door meeting with the legislature earlier that day.
Palin lied when she said that former aide John Bitney’s “amicable” departure was for “personal” reasons; in fact, Bitney said he was fired because of his relationship with the wife of Palin’s friend, plus a Palin spokesperson later claimed “poor job performance” for his firing – without elaborating.
Palin lied when she said she kept her running injury a secret on the campaign trail; in fact, her bandaged hand was clearly visible in photographs and the story was widely talked about.
Palin lied when she claimed that Alaska has spent “millions of dollars” on litigation related to her ethics complaints; in fact, that figure is much, much lower, and she had initiated the most expensive inquiry.
Palin lied when she denied that the Alaska Independence Party supports secession and denied that her husband had been a member; in fact, even the McCain campaign noted that the party’s very existence is based on secession and that Todd was a member for seven years.
November 14th, 2009 at 3:29 pmSo, Palin is now a walking “death panel” herself…
November 14th, 2009 at 3:29 pmAnd another thing. It’s too bad that Palin doesn’t read (nor, apparently, does Boehner or Kristol or any of the other whiney complainers). If she did, she might have run into this bit of wisdom:
“I consider [trial by jury] as the only anchor ever yet imagined by man, by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution.” –Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Paine, 1789. ME 7:408, Papers 15:269
Somehow, these republicans . . . these self-professed defenders of the Constitution . . . have completely run off the tracks.
November 14th, 2009 at 3:30 pmPalin and the teabaggers continue to hate everything about America. Shocking.
November 14th, 2009 at 3:33 pmHorrible decision, absolutely horrible. It is devastating for so many of us to hear that the Obama Administration decided that the 9/11 terrorist mastermind, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, will be given a criminal trial in New York. This is an atrocious decision. [...]
1st of all you were not even in the city…. 2nd you are afraid that the victims will actually get a trail and some what some kinda closer you against that why?
November 14th, 2009 at 3:34 pmafter all it was a promise made to them from mmmmm who was that guy what was his name,,,, forgot his job title as well could yo help me here.
Badmoodman, Palin lied.
It’s an infinite loop.
November 14th, 2009 at 3:34 pmTough getting any traction today eh, Hitler Was A Socialist?
November 14th, 2009 at 3:35 pmIt’s an infinite loop.
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November 14th, 2009 at 3:38 pmMore like a Moobius (sp) Strip…
I think most Americans want to hang em high but this is the 21 century not the old west.
In this age we let terrorists run their mouth compare it to the evidence and then hang them high.
November 14th, 2009 at 3:40 pmMy God, What part of being an American that these peole don’t understand? We give everybody a fair trial. That is what being an American IS. My Lord. These people have to be tried in a court of law. It’s like people like Sarah and the other Repugs who are tarnishing this Country. If Bush and his Cabal followed the law, we wouldn’t be in this mess. Gitmo has stained our image around the World.
November 14th, 2009 at 3:41 pmThe America Caribou Barbie and her followers want to ‘bring back’ has never truly existed. The Republicans and their Corporate Masters have been working hard to remake America in this image. A theocratic oligarchy. And after 20 years of behind-the-scenes manipulation and 8 years of open flagrant disregard for every principle of decency and humanity, they are going for it.
The stage has been set, the players are in position. The only problem is that the majority of Americans aren’t on board. They will continue to push. Desperation is setting in.
November 14th, 2009 at 3:41 pmSarah must of got her Degree laying on her back or lap dancing. Why you ask? Mai Massacre where a US Officer murdered innocent woman and children was given a pass by the US Justice System. Late Secretary of Defence McNamara apologized before he died for the lies, murders and corrupt of the Vietnam War and ask for forgiveness to the thousands of families that lost a soldier based the the illegal War. Now Sister Sarah thinks of killing humans like she does with animals. No heart no soul but pure greed, evil, lies and the wink that men fall for.
November 14th, 2009 at 3:41 pm“I love the sea breeze on my face as I gaze upon Russia”…
November 14th, 2009 at 3:44 pmHitlerwasaCONSERVATIVE
I have always wondered and you are so OBVIOUSLY stupid you can help me out. Is there some corner of Mississippi where they inbreed you morons specially to vex normal humans on websites?
November 14th, 2009 at 3:45 pmLet’s see. The Bush Administration refused to conduct a criminal investigation of the crimes committed on 9/11/2001.
Now it’s a crime to give a person who was held without charges, tortured, his family threatened a trial before a court of law.
Ergo, were Palin our Queen, her forces could detain anybody upon her say so, torture them, and execute them without a trial. The worst part about this is, she has millions of followers who support her. Because she’s a “Christian.”
November 14th, 2009 at 3:45 pmThe news is that Sarah Palin, John McCain and a cohort of their confederates have no confidence in American jurisprudence to arrive at a proper conclusion when dealing with crimes. I wonder if that is because the government runs it, and they all know that the government can’t run anything.
They prefer military commissions, which are not the sort of courts martial used to try miltary personnel. They are much closer to what we saw in dictatorships around the world and derisively referred to as “kangaroo courts”. You know, if you can’t railroad someone into the slammer or death chamber, you must hate America.
November 14th, 2009 at 3:46 pmSara laments? She is sad because the days of summary executions that she dreams of are not going to happen?
November 14th, 2009 at 3:47 pm☠☠☠
Oh God, Hitler is here. Why can’t he spew his venom somewhere else?
November 14th, 2009 at 3:47 pmMy God, What part of being an American that these peole don’t understand? We give everybody a fair trial.
What they do realize, but don’t acknowledge, is that the Bush Administration has precluded a fair trial. Once the evidence elicited through “enhanced interrogation techniques” is eliminated, these guys walk. If they weren’t terrorists before, they certainly have ample reason to be terrorists now.
November 14th, 2009 at 3:50 pmAs an attorney working on his third decade of practice I am constantly appalled by the willingness of the right wing in this country to condemn and hang any convenient target without trial. Due process is what separates us from regimes we consider evil. While tragic and preventable, 9/11 seems to have also presented a litmus test of sorts. Some of us wiped away the tears and refused to allow terrorists to force us to change our way of life. Others crapped their pants and surrendered every liberty provided by the constitution to anyone who talked tough and promised revenge. The latter group consistently vote republican even though most of them live in areas no terrorist (other than an abortion clinic bomber) would bother with. Hucksters like Palin prey upon the latter class. No surprise but still depressing.
November 14th, 2009 at 3:50 pmFunny thing is, that most trolls and Repug fail to admit, is that Bush himself claimed he wanted to close Gitmo. That’s a little tid-bit they would like to forget.
November 14th, 2009 at 3:53 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I got news for you, Caribou Barbie: you ARE stuck with it. And you want to know why? Because Barack Obama is the frickin’ PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, and you’re not.
Elections have consequences, you ditz.
November 14th, 2009 at 3:55 pmSlappyBeggerino
You are still wasting your time. There is no pity for you here no matter how much you beg. We KNOW how stupid and pathetic you are we just dont CARE anymore. Your post will go to the sewer. No pity for you
November 14th, 2009 at 3:56 pmSlappy@44, What are you smoking, man?
November 14th, 2009 at 3:59 pmpaleolib
I LOVE the law. Even today one of my first heroes was William Kunstler. The presumption of innocence and habeas corpus is what defines a just system of law in my mind. Without them those without power are subject to the vagaries of power without any chance at fair trials.
November 14th, 2009 at 3:59 pmSlappyBastinado
November 14th, 2009 at 4:01 pmI think you have some interesting ideas. Still it seems that they often translate poorly in this format.
Here’s the irony to me.
That’s her argument for them but the people who tortured them used exactly the same procedure to avoid prosecution by declaring them to be “unlawful combatants” and as such are not subject to the protections of the conventions.
a courtroom technichality.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:02 pmwut yu dam libruls dont unnerstan is killin terrorists iz a gawd given right, but abortion is a gawd forsakin abomination. ::snark::
November 14th, 2009 at 4:02 pmI guess Bible Spice is the expert on atrocious decisions – her parents decision to reproduce may be one of the most atrocious in history.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:03 pmWho cares what this pathetic idiot thinks? She is not a decision maker or a policy maker. Her entire political career consists of being mayor of a village in Alaska for a few years and then quitting after 1 1/2 years as the governor of Alaska. Why does any news source anywhere cover or even care about a single thing that comes out of her wretched mouth?
During the 2008 campaign this mouth piece for the Republican Party and illiterates in America accused Barack Obama of “paling around with terrorists” because someone he had minimal connections to had been a radical in the 60s (when almost everyone was). Yet in the summer of 2009 Palin flew to Hong Kong and gave an anti-American speech to a bunch of Chinese business leaders. Why has not one person pointed out to her that she was “Paling around with communists” while she was in Hong Kong? And the communists she was paling around with paid her to come talk to her.
Again, why is any news organization covering a single peep out of this worthless inidivduals mouth?
November 14th, 2009 at 4:03 pmBack in the 50’s we had a lunatic who saw a commie in every toilet. He wreaked havoc with the American legal system for several years working a base of fear and terror.
We survived Joe McCarthy. We will survive Mooseboogers, bin Gleck, el Rushbo and all of the others. Fear can only be sustained for so long when it is based in lies. Reality will eventually prevail.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:03 pmSlappyBeggerino isnt interested in ideas. He is interested in poking us with a stick. He is interested in trying to appear clever and funny when in actuality he is stupid and pathetic. He is a troll. An especially stupid and worthless troll. He needs to actually SAY what he thinks and treat us with the respect an honest debate deserves but he KNOWS he is ignorant and that will be exposed if he tries.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:03 pmThat’s what they said about that one guy…what was his name….oh yeah Tom delay.
Just to mention one.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:05 pmSlappyBastinado says:
Sarah Palin is the world greatest mind manipulator.
– - She’s a distant third behind the masterbaiter Rush, followed by Glenn Beck.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:05 pmCould it be that a lot of the defendants are to brain damaged to stand trial? I heard that some of these guys were waterboaded repeatedly. What does that do to their health? Could that be why the Repugs are so terrified to bring them to trial? They make it seem as if New Yorkers can’t protect themselves if these guys are moved? What crap. Our prisons are the most secure in the World. What a bunch of wimps.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:06 pm“Badmoodman says:
It’s time to revisit the odd lies of Sarah Palin. After you have read these, ask yourself: what wouldn’t Sarah Palin lie about if she felt she had to?”
Badmoodman, keep that list handy and break it out again when she decides to run for office.
It should be twice as long by that time.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:07 pmslappy, I see the sara thing as more like the gop trying to regain relevancy and she is the best they can come up with.
I find it amusing and am quite pleased by the whole thing. It will end badly, for her and the gop.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:07 pmSarah Palin is the world greatest mind manipulator.
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November 14th, 2009 at 4:08 pmIs this the set up of an exwife or mother in law joke at a Ramada Inn in Scranton?
SlappyBastinado says:
Sarah Palin is the world greatest mind manipulator. Her ability to get into the minds of certain humans is now legendary.
And the legend in her own mind relates to the 20% types, the delusional, the unhinged, the psychotic. Granted, this is a unique talent but useful?
November 14th, 2009 at 4:08 pmTime to show the Tea-baggers what it means to have a Constitution and Bill of Rights that applies to all. Even people they don’t like or don’t agree with. Or perhaps RushBeckistan’s corporate media will persuade them that fair trials and open courts are the true hallmarks of Nazi-Communism.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:08 pmThe biggest reason I think is because this will air torture again, something they want to forget ever happened as they are tied to it.
If there is visible evidence of said torture, well, that would be hard to watch.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:10 pmSlappyBastinado says:
Good day there,,,, just how is your illegal tree cutting business going for you? is it good or slow? i am think kinda slow as you are here a lot.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:11 pmeyesopen says:
The news is that Sarah Palin, John McCain and a cohort of their confederates have no confidence in American jurisprudence to arrive at a proper conclusion when dealing with crimes.
Bingo.
Today’s editorial in the NY Daily News (reliably neocon-ish) came out strongly against the President and Holder’s decision. They state their reasons for preferring the military tribunal route but then reveal their cards with this paragraph:
The operating principle: If you think you can prove a case in criminal court, go to criminal court. If you’re worried about winning a conviction, go to a tribunal.
The editorial goes on with:
The country would have been far better served had Obama abandoned otherworldly highmindedness (my bold) and applied one standard: military tribunals.
The newspaper (Mort Zuckerman)’s main argument against a criminal trial appears to rest on the assertion that the defendants will use the courtroom for propaganda purposes and the concern that it’ll be more difficult to ‘win’ a conviction. But, if they’re really guilty, why should it be so difficult to convict them? Does it have anything to do with the illegal torture by any chance?
November 14th, 2009 at 4:12 pmI think Mooseboogers is trying to beat the rush with this. She wants to beat the Roving Lizard Dick Roadshow to the media with her wisdom.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:16 pmThe reactionaries don’t like the justice system nor anything else about the institutions of the United States unless they are in charge of them (read: dismantling them).
November 14th, 2009 at 4:17 pmFred@64, That’s why we have to do it, and get it over with. The Repugs are acting as if we, the American people, can’t handle it. But like Jon Stewart famously said, “I would rather share a cell with a terrorist than the guy who eats faces!”
November 14th, 2009 at 4:18 pmYep, they have given up any claim to high ground and now want others to do the same to protect them……
Maybe they should have thought of that when they were relegating dem caucus’s to the basement.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:19 pmGreat point, H. It’s like the guy in the Guiness Book who can pull a truck with his teeth – nobody’s hiring him to haul their freight.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:20 pmI wonder what Sarah’s resume looks like?
Mayor of small town.
Governor of a state until I quit because people were picking on me.
I relate well to crazy people.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:21 pmPalin must feel she is the feminine version of the cowboy Bush.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:21 pmWhat does it say about our legal system, our democracy, our justice and our morality if we don’t think we can successfully prosecute criminals?
We have already proven that we can try terrorists; we have a justice system that has served us well for more than 200 years, but the cowboys of today think that justice should be suspended — why? because their own minds are so small, and their perspectives so narrow and short.
Marie@73, You’re right. Palin IS Bush in a skirt. They don’t read, they have no interest in the law, they have people tell them what to do. Let’s face it, CHENEY was the boss. Sarah is an empty canvass that the Neo-Cons would love to control.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:28 pmtheir perspectives so narrow and short.
Never heard them called perspectives before.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:28 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Repugs are so afraid that the tarnished reputations of Bush/Cheney&Co. will suffer when the news of torture comes up in court.
But Holder and the DOJ are more aware than we are of the pitfalls that face this prosecution — I will bet that they will take another route to find these guys guilty and avoid using the interrogation tactics as part of their prosecution. The defense will surely bring up torture – as they should – but I think we will be disappointed that Holder probably won’t make that a part of the prosecution.
Nonetheless, interrogation tactics are bound to be included in the trial — but don’t look for this trial before 2012. Jury selection and pretrial motions take a long time.
(Let’s hope Sarah Palin is a dim memory by then.)
November 14th, 2009 at 4:28 pmNovember 14th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
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Dear Ms. Palin,
You CAN NOT “Hang ‘em High” until they are found GUILTY in a Court of Law. That is what the Rule of Law is predicated on.
But don’t worry your pretty little head. America has a President that is up to the task, unlike the last one we had that not only shirked this responsibility, but worked to undermind every letter OF the Rule of Law.
XXOO
America.
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GG says:
I can’t believe she is complaining about defense delaying tactics, when it has taken over 8 years for some sort of justice to finally be realized.
This from a loon who delayed her court battles and who has lied to avoid jail time.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:34 pmHey, Slappy, you f’ed up the punchline, in additon to the spelling, and the grammar, and …
November 14th, 2009 at 4:34 pmI’m NOT looking forward to these trial quite frankly. I live close to NYC and will have to see daily coverage, newspaper front covers, endless quotes from Ghouliani (9/11!), who is already shooting off his mouth to anyone who will listen. Ghouliani has already accused Obama of having a “pre-9/11 mentality” (= he’s naive).
Obama’s critics will relentlessly use these trials to accuse him of…well, the list is long and I’m not going to give them any more ideas!
Obama and his people need to come out strongly on the offensive here and preempt the criticism that we all know will be coming! A campaign needs to begin NOW highlighting the positive aspects of these upcoming trials. Justice, openness, The Constitution, The American Way of Life, etc. etc.
Nikki Stern – whose husband analyst husband, James Potorti, died in the towers called Obama’s ‘decree’ an “appropriate step for the America that I believe in“.
“Our civil court system is what, in my view, sets us apart and raises us up above a lot of other countries. As difficult as it is for anyone, from a 9/11 family member to the mother of a child killed by a drunk driver, to watch someone get a ‘fair trial’, it’s essential.”
The teabaggers have been walking around with copies of the Constitution in their pockets, pulling it out to wave it around when it suits them. Obama and Holder should use these trials to celebrate its contents.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:34 pmI understand she’s neither bright nor well educated and it’s tough to get people to pay attention to you but she continues to raise the bar. God knows what she’ll be proposing in another couple of years.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:36 pmI slice um up!
November 14th, 2009 at 4:36 pm—
In the business we call that portioning. It is considered more of an entry level skill but still at least a portioner has shown some evidence of knife skill.
ah, it seems we have a mystery guest with a bad case of VD. Why isn’t it at all surprising? So truly courageous.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:36 pmDoesn’t she respect the process of law?
Who does she think should decide who is guilty and who is innocent?
The media? The President? The Cia? The Washington Post? Fox News? Herself?
What a shallow intellect she possesses.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:37 pmTeabaggers only believe in the Constitution when they can use it as a prop – it means nothing to them in the real world.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:39 pmThey don’t know it, they don’t understand it, and they have even called it a “goddamn piece of paper” — G.W. Bush
jbrantow says:
What a pathetic joke….ms I’m a tough patriotic american…can’t even take her “book” tour thru anywhere that there might be a reporter or democratic critic. She has to weasel thru the wimpy minor rethug safehouse towns. Real good sign of a strong leader. pathetic delusional hateflaming witch.
On one of msnbc news show a commercial was aired about mooseyak’s pamphlet. It was to be sold for $4.97 if people also subscribed to newscorp rag.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
November 14th, 2009 at 4:40 pmSlappyBeggerino
How pathetic do you have to be to think you are funny when you are THAT stupid and pathetic? Any six year old would just look at you and say wow. THAT was really stupid. I know, you are just BEGGING us to pity you. Its almost the only thing you do. The thing is your posts go right to the sewer where they belong since they are so worthless and sad. Still no pity for you no matter how much you beg us for it. That well is dry. I know you have no concept of dignity and self respect so you will just keep begging and begging but its a task without hope. No more pity for you
November 14th, 2009 at 4:41 pmNo wonder trolls love Mooseboogers. She stands up and says, ‘Pay attention to me! The only halfway decent reason is I’m sort of attractive in a dyspeptic cougar sort of way and I’m willing to say anything if it means attention or money!’
November 14th, 2009 at 4:43 pm#87 flavorino,
November 14th, 2009 at 4:45 pm… Which says volumes about the people that follow and idolize her in all of her shallow glory.
Bible Spice is an idiot. We knew that. However, it is amusing to see her eagerly denounce those things that make this country worth loving. Whether she actually hates those things or is just too effing stupid to recognize them is irrelevant.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:45 pmflavorino
Shallowness has pretty much defined the right for the last few decades.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:47 pmPalin says, “I hope that Mohammed and his co-conspirators are convicted. Hang ‘em high.”
Hey Palin! What should we do with Bush and Cheney? They lied about WMDs, Iraq, and Saddam Hussein. Over 6,000 American Marines are in the grave because of Bush and his lies. Hang Bush and Cheney high!!!
November 14th, 2009 at 4:50 pmI like the way she cleans her ears with a turkey baster and a quart of Clorox.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:51 pmP.D. says:
Could it be that a lot of the defendants are to brain damaged to stand trial? I heard that some of these guys were waterboaded repeatedly.
Time to put on my Tinfoil Hat.
Where is ABU ZUBAYDAH!??
According to press reports, he was the second most Waterboarded Prisoner, after Kahlid Shiek Mohammed.
WHY wasn’t HE Included with the other Five 911 Conspirators, scheduled for trial in NY.
Either he was rendered a Vegetable, by virtue of his treatment…OR what Gerald Posner Claims is TRUE…that Zubaydah implicated Three Saudi Princes and the Head of the Pakistani Air Force in the 911 Plot. And ALL four of these Suspects Died Mysteriously soon after Zubaydah allegedly implicated them. And the Tapes of Zubaydah’s interogation were Destroyed by the CIA.
So, why isn’t Zubaydah going on trial Too.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gerald-posner/the-cias-destroyed-inter_b_75850.html
November 14th, 2009 at 4:52 pmSlappyBastinado says:
Pilot….I don’t cut em down, I slice um up!
Well thats good to know however receiving stolon property is not legal as well.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:52 pmWhat? Are you people out of your minds? We can’t be trying these people in a court of law! They’re criminals!.
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Hoodathunk says:
What? Are you people out of your minds? We can’t be trying these people in a court of law! They’re
criminalsMuslims!.
☺
November 14th, 2009 at 4:57 pmhirvi tappajan, get out of the basement once in a while.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:59 pmHirvi
Not ugly but I have definitly dated better looking women and married at least one
November 14th, 2009 at 4:59 pmBadger says:So, why isn’t Zubaydah going on trial Too.
Well i have not hear about all that. However i am also not a lawyer but i would think that they have case`s against the other 5 that they can win with out any of the torture stuff. maybe they have nothing like that on Zubaydah.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:59 pmjust saying
Gene @ 94 They’re drowning in shallowness. I could throw them a life preserver. But I won’t.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:00 pmRepublicans don’t want governement, don’t know how to govern, and hate democracy – as we can all too plainly see.
Cheney will Remember none of this
November 14th, 2009 at 5:02 pmCheney doesn’t recall
The way the Repugs are carrying on makes them look weak. I bet the majority of New Yorkers WANT them tried in New York. We, Americans, can handle this. Their arguments don’t hold up. The Repugs are practically pissing themselves in fear. Already several states have begged to hold the prisoners because of the jobs they will create. Gitmo has got to close. The sooner the better.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:03 pmActually that photo does make her look pretty good, if you’re not a gay guy.
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November 14th, 2009 at 5:03 pmIt must be that “Snuggly” or whatever those messed up mail order things are called.
Palin does not write these messages. She has a ghostwriter – most likely some pencildick towel boy for Bill Kristol.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:03 pmHirvi, are you saying that being a possible MILF now ranks up there with ‘a guy you would like to have a beer with’ as a prerequisite for being considered for high office?
November 14th, 2009 at 5:04 pm100, You don’t like the way she looks? Ok.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:06 pmHoly Shit! Hoodathunk just totally said what I was going to say? Where is Mars? Venus?
November 14th, 2009 at 5:06 pm110-hooda, that one went right between the ribs.☺
November 14th, 2009 at 5:07 pmEven Mayor Bloomberg thinks having these trials in NY is a good move. In spite of all of their bravado and warmongering, the republicans are deathly afraid of terrorists being put on trial in U.S. cities.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:07 pmCould it be because they think the terrorists have cooties?
IMHO, I believe their fear is not of the terrorists, but of the extent to which these men were tortured, and the roles played by the Bush Cabal of criminals.
Since leaving the presidency, W still hasn’t planned a trip to Spain, and those in the know know why.
Sorry, db. It was a channeling moment.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:09 pm@8. GG says: I can’t believe she is complaining about defense delaying tactics, when it has taken over 8 years for some sort of justice to finally be realized. November 14th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Indeed. A lot of this crap could have been avoided if Shrub & Darth had played this straight instead of trying the feardriven conspiracy route of keeping them out of the country. That reflects some stupidity; they should have known that as long as we have KSM and the others in our custody, they’re going to be entangled with the legal system. Better they should be handled by our civil criminal system, than by the military system.
That’s not to impute that there’s something wrong with the military legal system. Basically, there isn’t, but it’s really oriented toward dealing with internal infractions within the military, not with dealing with issues that come wrapped with layers of international politics and policy, as well as mass murder, etc.
I think the decision to try KSM et al in NYC is excellent. The court there has experience in dealing with terrorism issues, and it is the jurisdiction where a significant portion of the crime took place. There’s going to be a security problem, but that can be dealt with by diligent effort and NYPD is more than capable of handling most of that; with due diligence from national intelligence and security services, there should be no fracking problem.
Sarah Palin 2012 – Pullin’ the Plug on America*
*Donations accepted for slootwork in insulting our justice system and ignoring the idiocy of previous administrations.
Moderated for use of the Jane Curtin Ploy…
November 14th, 2009 at 5:10 pmThese trolls obsession over Sarah’s looks is mind-boggling. Who gives a sh*t what the woman looks like? It’s a lot like Limpballs obsession for her, that, and holding onto his ankles.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:10 pmNo Way. You said it so much better. It was right that you got there first.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:10 pmbest-
Pilotshark,
You may be right, but ever since I read Posner’s article…a little bell goes off whenever I hear the name Zubaydah.
I’m hoping the press…(I’m looking at you Glenn Greenwald)…will follow up on this, and answer why Zubaydah was not included…in spite of Massive Press Releases implicating Him in the 911 Conspiracy.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:11 pmsuperid says:
Palin does not write these messages. She has a ghostwriter – most likely some pencildick towel boy for Bill Kristol.
Kristol is the one who pushed for her after all. He’s still defending himself for that one. He fell in love with her in June of 2007 and began pushing her as the VP candidate whenever he could:
On July 22nd, again on Fox, Kristol referred to Palin as “my heartthrob.” He declared, “I don’t know if I can make it through the next three months without her on the ticket.”
November 14th, 2009 at 5:14 pmmajii says: W still hasn’t planned a trip to Spain, and those in the know know why.
Smiles, I am thinking W is a little worried about Gov perry and seceding and all then they maybe a extrdictions to maybe spain or back to the USA.
That would be great.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:14 pmWho would like to lay a bet that when these people are brought to NY for trial that if they were taken, without shackles, to any street and given the offer of just walking away, they would duck and cover for the nearest detention facility?
November 14th, 2009 at 5:15 pmBadger says:
Well i will do some checking myself now that you have brough this to my attention.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:16 pm122-Hoodathunk, you are on tonight. That was a rib splitter.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:17 pmYou know, they did a poll in which the majority of Repugs said she wasn’t ready to be President, BUT, they would STILL vote for her. Now that my friends, is insane.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:17 pmI hate mcaine for choosing this b!tch as a running mate.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:18 pmNow her face is everywhere. She now has a national stage to showcase her stupidity. She is atrocious.
P.D. says:
You know, they did a poll in which the majority of Repugs said she wasn’t ready to be President, BUT, they would STILL vote for her. Now that my friends, is insane.
Well they also voted for bush as well he was maybe slightly better off.
So insane is the norm for the white wing wrong side party
November 14th, 2009 at 5:19 pmP.D.
Of course they would vote for her over any democrat.
They were afraid that what is happening would be what would happen.
Faux business is playing down the dow breaking 10,000.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:20 pmetc.
Pilot@127, LOL! You are right. Bush was the guy everyone wanted to have a beer with, Sarah? Well, I guess she the broad you want to hunt with when shooting animals from a copter.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:22 pmAnd that is exactly what she is doing and I’m really enjoying it.
This will end badly for her.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:22 pmThis is just the opening shot on the whole trial business. The Republicans will be out in force soon because they know this is going to be a circus and the elephants are going to be in the center ring, right under the spotlight.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:23 pmMr. Cheney, please raise your right hand and repeat after me . . . “Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?”
November 14th, 2009 at 5:26 pmHoodathunk
TRUE. The trial will be THE news. The talk about who they ARENT prosecuting because they tortured them, the trail showing they COULD have been tried long ago. The sixth amendment problems. The entire anti-American gamut of Bush policies will be rerun and THIS time wont escape the attention of America.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:26 pmI saw Pat Buchanan on MSNBC today and he admitted that Sarah’s ‘Book’ would hurt her chances in 2012. Well, DUH. She bashed everybody. It was a work of spite. She had no self reflection, she just blamed everybody else. The press, McCain’s camp, Couric, Gibson…. These Repugs have no concept of admitting THEY are wrong. Amazing.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:28 pmFortunately, while Bible Spice seems destined to be a punchline, these guys have staying power.
“I consider trial by jury as the only anchor ever yet imagined by man, by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution.” –Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Paine, 1789. ME 7:408, Papers 15:269 ‘
“Representative government and trial by jury are the heart and lungs of liberty.” – John Adams (1774)
November 14th, 2009 at 5:31 pmThe Republican Way is to take the high moral ground and blame everyone else for any failures. They aren’t responsible because someone or something else is. Republicans are the ultimate entitlement queens.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:32 pmHoodathunk says:
This is just the opening shot on the whole trial business. The Republicans will be out in force soon because they know this is going to be a circus and the elephants are going to be in the center ring, right under the spotlight.
Since we all know that I can only hope that the Democrats pull out all the stops and preempt them! We need trapeze artists flying through the air, cute little white American eskimo dogs on the backs of the pretty horses – the whole bit!
Obama’s team needs to find the prettiest and hunkiest legal scholars out there blanketing the airwaves with pronouncements about The American Way – The Constitution as a Living Document, etc. Let’s all celebrate what makes America Special! That sort of thing. ‘We’re not afraid!’ politicians should bellow. ‘Justice will be served!’
That’s how to sway the ‘typical’ American. The ones that watch American Idol, Dancing with the Stars, etc. This is no time to take the ‘high’ road!
November 14th, 2009 at 5:34 pmPalin is an idiot and a tundra tyrant to boot. These worthless Republicants are scared of their own shadows. They morphed from Chicken-hawks to Chicken Littles in a few short months. If we follow GOP attempts to destroy our rule of law, then the terrorists will have won. See Glenn Greenwald’s brilliant comments at Salon and Common Dreams today.
O/T: so-called “free” trade is actually corporate greed trade; it is for the benefit of the ruling class pigs and large corporations. We need to restart our traditional manufacturing in this country. American shoes for American feet. We need to rebuild traditional tariff walls to protect our American manufacturing from cheap foreign labor. Level the playing field so that shoes made in communist China cost the same as American shoes made in America. Bring back “Made in USA.” Lou Dobbs was right about the need to stop the outsourcing of American manufacturing jobs to overseas locations.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:34 pmI hate American Made Chinese food…
November 14th, 2009 at 5:39 pmThat’s how to sway the ‘typical’ American. The ones that watch American Idol, Dancing with the Stars, etc. This is no time to take the ‘high’ road!
mary, staging a better circus show doesn’t mean taking the low road. Your post said it, the Dems need to bring out all the dogs and ponies of what America is really about. If they want a circus, we can do a circus. It is a strong American tradition.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:40 pmdb, chop suey isn’t bad.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:40 pmmary lacewing says:
“That’s how to sway the ‘typical’ American. The ones that watch American Idol, Dancing with the Stars, etc. This is no time to take the ‘high’ road!”
A few months ago I would have said the same. Then the whole recess teabagging phenomenon ran it’s course and the GOP numbers went down as they went further off the rails. I’m starting to think that the best Democratic strategy is to continue working hard and let the freaks rave. It’s looking, more and more, like it’s best to mostly ignore them. They seem to be driving people away without help from the Dems.
Plus, the growing rift between “true conservatives” and the GOP is encouraging. The Reichwhiners are throwing more bombs at each other than at the Dems. As long as the infighting is getting worse it would be silly to step into the line of fire.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:46 pmDid anyone see her hair when she was on Oprah?
Gawd it look like a bad weave.
I hope she will use her precedes for a more natural look.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:47 pmBtw, what IS it with Palin and her Wild, Wild West rhetoric?
“Hang ‘em High”? The other day she accused the media of twisting words in her book and advised her supporters to “Keep their powder dry!”.
What next? So many terrorists, so little rope!
November 14th, 2009 at 5:50 pmhirvi tappajan says, “Actually that photo does make her look pretty good, if you’re not a gay guy.”
They said the same thing about Hillary Clinton when she lived in the White House. The difference is that Hillary has a very high IQ and Palin is dumber than a Walmart door stop.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:50 pmHitler is waiting to have dinner with Shara in hell.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:51 pmdb, I’m going to be scoring a mess of beets this week. Any suggestions?
November 14th, 2009 at 5:52 pmHere’s a really telling excerpt from the Big Book of Rouge.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
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SlappyBeggerino
No matter how stupid you are. No matter how much you beg. There is no pity here for you
November 14th, 2009 at 5:54 pmHooda
I have a suggestion. Throw them away and find some palatable food
November 14th, 2009 at 5:55 pmPalin who?
November 14th, 2009 at 6:00 pmReef
We mean Bimbostien. The Quitta from Wasilla
November 14th, 2009 at 6:01 pmBeets? Steam ‘em.
And then read “Jitterbug Perfume” by Tom Robbins.
November 14th, 2009 at 6:03 pmsteam em. Use the water for dye but whatever you do dont EAT the horrid things
November 14th, 2009 at 6:04 pmThis is AMERICA, you stupid b*tch.
We have LAWS here, and a CONSTITUTION that guarantees the right to a fair trial. FOR EVERYONE. Period. The End.
If you don’t like it – MOVE TO IRAN.
God. What a stupid, stupid, STUPID b*tch.
November 14th, 2009 at 6:09 pmCaribou Barbie is siding with the terrorists again!
November 14th, 2009 at 6:11 pmWell, we better be prepared, next week on MSM it will be all Sarah, all the time. I think I’ll boycott MSM all next week. The amount of press they give that broad is disgusting.
November 14th, 2009 at 6:14 pmHoodathunk says:
mary, staging a better circus show doesn’t mean taking the low road.
Perhaps I didn’t explain myself well there – what I meant is that we won’t get very far with a bunch of solemn legal scholars dryly reciting the boring bits of the Constitution. We need language that’ll engage Americans in a way that they’ll understand, in a way that it’ll make their hearts swell with pride instead of with bloodlust.
November 14th, 2009 at 6:16 pmmary lacewing says:
I think we are saying the same thing. Time for the Dems to showcase real American pride. And have some fun doing it. People listen better when they are laughing.
November 14th, 2009 at 6:21 pmPalin will get lots of press, but it may not be GOOD Press.
Her book is supposedly VERY Critical of the folks from the McCain Campaign….and I expect them to CORRECT the Record, as necessary. Palin may get caught in Several Lies…with her Own Book Providing the Evidence.
November 14th, 2009 at 6:23 pmHoodathunk says:
db, I’m going to be scoring a mess of beets this week. Any suggestions?
Oh lucky you! My favorite way to prepare them is to wash them really well, don’t peel them, wrap them in foil and bake them on a pan in the oven until the juice starts to bubble out. This brings out all the incredible sugar! Which is also why you need the pan because burnt sugar doesn’t smell good.
So, when’s the feast? Got more than you can use? :)
November 14th, 2009 at 6:23 pmSarah’s has her one motives.
November 14th, 2009 at 6:26 pmThe pukes, as a whole,don’t want anyone smiffing around their hole. They know that gwb’s torture program will undergo the scrutiny it so justly deserves.
Let all the laundry of gwb and his cohorts be exposed.
Bush may fry right along with skm. Now thats a party.
Re: jbrantow @ 11:
Will you PLEASE stop referring to sacks of trash like Palin as “Witches”!!!!!!!!! She is a Witch-HUNTER!!!!
November 14th, 2009 at 6:27 pmmary lacewing says:
Thats my 2nd favorite way to do beets. Pickling is first. I’m not sure just how many are inbound but I suspect about 10 pounds.
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Roast the beets!
November 14th, 2009 at 6:32 pmA zillion Borscht recipes exist. Find someones grandma’s as it will be better than any published version
November 14th, 2009 at 6:33 pmTimmeh, you do realize that is a really wimpy comeback, right? I mean, putting terrorists on public trial in the US is just like giving them the keys to Disney World.
If you want to pat folks on the butt just man up and admit it.
November 14th, 2009 at 6:34 pmPoor deluded Timmeh thinks that insisting on criminal trials is “coming to the defense of terrorists”.
No, Timmeh… it’s coming to the defense of the Constitution. Remember that quaint old document?
November 14th, 2009 at 6:35 pmBadger says:
Palin will get lots of press, but it may not be GOOD Press.
Her book is supposedly VERY Critical of the folks from the McCain Campaign
She specifically called out Nicolle Wallace – not a good idea. But if that distracts Nicolle from criticizing Obama and the Democrats for a minute – hey, I’m fine with that!
November 14th, 2009 at 6:38 pmTim43, you are the enemy. You are at the top of the list of terrorist threats to America.
congratulations, you should be so proud.
November 14th, 2009 at 6:39 pmTim43, I agree. She reminds me of Joan of Arc too.
November 14th, 2009 at 6:40 pmRalph, maybe the Dems should stage a ‘Remember the Constitution’ rally.
Always worked for the Alamo.
November 14th, 2009 at 6:42 pmWho cares what Palin says??? I wouldn’t pay a penny to buy her book ‘cos I don’t care what she says. All she does is lie and cause chaos where none is necessary. Geeeez I wish this woman would just go back to Alaska and watch Russia.
November 14th, 2009 at 6:42 pmShe reminds me of Joan of Arc too.
Me too. Those people who listen to the little voices in their head because of religious delusions all tend to blend together after awhile.
November 14th, 2009 at 6:44 pmHoodathunk says:
“Always worked for the Alamo.”
Only in Texas. Do we really want Texas “patriotism” to spread?
November 14th, 2009 at 6:46 pmgood point. pete.
November 14th, 2009 at 6:47 pmIn all likelihood, KSM will plead guilty. He said he wants to be a martyr. I doubt he will try to plead innocent. So once again, it’s much ado about nothing.
November 14th, 2009 at 6:48 pmWhat the stupid troll fails to realize is that countries become great by being above the barbaric acts of their enemies. Apparently, the stupid troll thinks countries become great by exceeding the barbarism of their enemies.
November 14th, 2009 at 6:49 pmRufus Leaking says, “Tim43, I agree. She reminds me of Joan of Arc too.”
When people think about Sarah Palin, they’re thinking bimbo, not Joan of Arc.
November 14th, 2009 at 6:50 pmYou people have low self esteem. I feel sorry for you. Quit telling LIES!
Somewhere, over the rainbow, way up high.
There’s a land that I heard of Once in a lullaby.
Somewhere, over the rainbow, skies are blue.
And the dreams that you dare to dream
Really do come true.
Someday I’ll wish upon a star and wake up where the clouds are far Behind me.
Where troubles melt like lemon drops, Away above the chimney tops.
That’s where you’ll find me.
Somewhere, over the rainbow, bluebirds fly. Birds fly over the rainbow,
Why then – oh, why can’t I?
If happy little bluebirds fly beyond the rainbow,
Why, oh, why can’t I?
____
November 14th, 2009 at 6:51 pmI fall on Eugen’s side on this one. Beets taste like dirt.
November 14th, 2009 at 6:55 pmI mean, really, WTF are the stupid trolls afraid of? Unless they think that the incompetence of the previous Administration will result in a mistrial, in which case the accused go back to their cells, I don’t see the down side. One would think they would be in favor of trying, convicting, and executing the guilty parties.
Oh wait. They just can’t stand the fact that President Obama has restored credibility to our government and the GOoPers are busy knifing each other in the back over political purity.
November 14th, 2009 at 6:55 pmGee, Sarah, did you write that all by yourself? Or is it just another little example of self aggrandization, without attribution?
November 14th, 2009 at 6:55 pmI had very good relationships with both my parents but, every time a beet appeared on my plate I came within a hair’s breadth of patricide.
November 14th, 2009 at 6:58 pmSelf esteem and intelligence are not mutually exclusive. Sarah has plenty of self esteem but not much intelligence.
November 14th, 2009 at 6:58 pmI think the rule of opposites fits this nicely. Anything Sarah and the gop are against, I’m for.
November 14th, 2009 at 7:01 pmEric Holder Must realize the Gravity of his decision.
If the trial is botched, and the Jury aquits the defendants,
Or if there is another terrorist attack in NY in response to the trial…
The Politics will be Disasterous for the Obama Presidency.
Holder is privy to More Information about this case than anyone else….especially those watching from Alaska.
If he thinks a trial in NY is the best option, then I’ll have to give him the benefit of the doubt…until I’m Proven wrong.
November 14th, 2009 at 7:04 pmPalin would be leading a lynch mob of her teabagger buddies. That is her form of ‘rogue justice.’
Comments like these are precisely the reason why the wacky wingers (and no one else, except the press) love her and why she isn’t a serious candidate for a national office.
November 14th, 2009 at 7:05 pmIt’s our campaign theme song you stupid doo doo heads.
Jitterbug!
Jitterbug!
Jitterbug!
Jitterbug!
You put the boom-boom into my heart
You send my soul sky high
When your loving starts
A jitterbug into my brain
Till my feet do the same
But something’s bugging me
Something ain’t right
My best friend told me what you did last night
You left me sleeping in my bed
I was dreaming but I should have been with you instead
Wake me up before you go-go
Don’t leave me hanging on like a yo-yo
Wake me up before you go-go
I don’t wanna miss it when you hit that high
Wake me up before you go-go
‘cos I’m not planning on going solo
Wake me up before you go-go
Take me dancing tonight
You put the grey skies out of my way
You make the sun shine brighter than doris day
Turned a bright spark into a flame
My beats per minute never been the same
‘cos you’re my lady
I’m your fool
It makes me crazy when you act so cruel
Come on baby lets not fight
We’ll go dancing
Everything wiil be alright
Cuddle up baby, move in tight
We’ll go dancing tomorrow night
It’s cold out there but it’s warm in bed
They can dance
We’ll stay at home instead
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November 14th, 2009 at 7:06 pmI see that our cowardly down-voting troll is in attendance. Grab your plastic sheets, gang, the poo flinging is about to start. Or not. I would think that trying to defend an unAmerican POS like Bible Spice would be overwhelming.
November 14th, 2009 at 7:08 pmIf any vegans came over for dinner, I could whip them up a salad, then explain my philosophy on being a carnivore: If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come He made them out of meat?
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November 14th, 2009 at 7:13 pmI think this indicates just how “President” Palin would govern. Her official clothing would obviously involve a white sheet and hardware stores would sell out of rope.
November 14th, 2009 at 7:20 pmTherein lies the rub. Bush resisted any kind of investigation, ultimately allowing an inquiry into the supposed failures of the intelligence community.
So, on the one hand, you have confessions elicited by torture. On the other, you have scientific analysis of videos highly suggestive of planned demolition; the absolute total disappearance of 4 commercial jetliners (never before, nor after, has a commercial jet totally disintegrated upon impact), you have cell phone calls from 40,000 feet, made before the technology to make such calls possible was instaled on U.S. commercial aircraft, you have a non-hardened nose of a commercial jet punching through 9 feet of hardened, reinforced concrete.
What you don’t have: passenger seats. Luggage. Black boxes. Engines. Body parts. Forensics. DNA. Metalurgy analysis.
I, for one, have a reasonable doubt as to the guilt of KSM, or any of the alleged hijackers (their bodies weren’t recovered, and there are reports of at least some of them being seen alive after that day.)
Maybe I’m hoping too much, but I hope the Defense is allowed to put all this into the public record.
November 14th, 2009 at 7:22 pmEight years without a trial is delay tactics. Palin is dumber than dirt and that is why the dirt bags on the bottom like her.
November 14th, 2009 at 7:23 pmTim43 says:
But it is a good thing that we have you progressive libtards to come to the defense of terrorists. Without you, terrorists would not walk on our nations streets free.
November 14th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
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You’re welcome! :)
November 14th, 2009 at 7:23 pmglogrrl hit it right on the money….this is EXACTLY how the Klan actd in the 60’s and is acting today – at Plain’s and others direction. Once they start the violence – good luck stopping it.
November 14th, 2009 at 7:23 pmIn Alaska, we joke that we have two seasons: construction and winter.
November 14th, 2009 at 7:26 pmSarah ‘I Slept With Levi’ Palin’s comments are more proof that she and the Republicans/Conservatives are home grown extremist terrorists who do not believe in America’s rule of law and these evil wingnuts are using lies, hate, fear, and violence to destroy America’s hard fought Freedoms.
November 14th, 2009 at 7:29 pmTim43 says:
Terrorists are walking our streets? Not too much exaggeration there. You must work for Fox News.
November 14th, 2009 at 7:29 pmBadmoodman says:
SlappyBastinado says:
Sarah Palin is the world greatest mind manipulator.
– – She’s a distant third behind the masterbaiter Rush, followed by Glenn Beck.
Rush gets an asterisk next to his name in the records books due to his viagra use.
November 14th, 2009 at 7:31 pmI love meat. I eat pork chops, thick bacon burgers, and the seared fatty edges of a medium-well-done steak. But I especially love moose and caribou. I always remind people from outside our state that there’s plenty of room for all Alaska’s animals — right next to the mashed potatoes.
Ahahahahahahahahaha!
November 14th, 2009 at 7:32 pmTim43 says:
But it is a good thing that we have you progressive libtards to come to the defense of terrorists. Without you, terrorists would not walk on our nations streets free.
Who decides who’s a terrorist?
November 14th, 2009 at 7:37 pmSarah Palin? Barack Obama? Tim43? Dick Cheney? Ruprick Murdoch?
An anonymous career hack at the FBI? Anne Coulter?
Or a court of law?
flavorino says, “Who decides who’s a terrorist?”
One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.
November 14th, 2009 at 7:42 pmHang ‘em high
Hear that, Levi? Do not show up at Gramma’s house for Thanksgiving Dinner.
November 14th, 2009 at 7:43 pmLook, we trotted out this b itch a year ago and the only person left who takes her seriously is on his knees drooling before a “No Trespassing – Russia is watching!” sign on Palin’s property … Slappy.
Now excuse me, I have a Hemmoroid to nurse and no Preparation H on hand.
November 14th, 2009 at 7:48 pmI’m with Briseadh ne Faire on the 9/11 situation. No one in their right mind can watch bldg. 7 demolished and believe that it was a collapse. Th building folded in the middle and fell within it’s footprint in 6 seconds.
November 14th, 2009 at 7:49 pmIf demolitions were placed in bldg.7, it’s a safe assumption that they were in the other buildings as well
Ummm Ms.Palin, you do realize that we have an amendment in the Constitution (something you guys claim to love so dearly) that says that every person accused of a crime has a right to a FAIR and SPEEDY trial by jury (words bolded for your comprehension). Then again, you guys only seem to care about the 2nd and the 4th amendment. I find it hilarious that you guys squack about infringement on your 2nd amendment rights at the mere mention of “gun control” but you seem to be perfectly happy with taking away someone’s 6th amendment rights.
November 14th, 2009 at 7:52 pmIf I recall correctly, KSM was identified as the “mastermind” and admitted to being the “mastermind” before he was subjected to the “Enhanced Interrogation Techniques” (more accurately known as “Torture”.) That evidence should stand up regardless of what was done to them afterwards.
Also (and I hope any real lawyers out there can confirm this), whether or not the defendants were tortured has nothing to do with whether or not they committed the crimes for which they are being tried. They can cry all they want about how harshly they were treated after the crime was committed, but it won’t change their guilt or innocence.
As for the EIT’s, wasn’t the Cheney/Bush Administration and all of their supporters claiming that these techniques were “perfectly legal”? If so, then why the concern that the use of the EITs might be brought up in trial? If they were legal, then the prisoners were subjected to a perfectly legal technique. So why worry, right? (Of course, the human beings among us with IQs in the three-digit range know that the EITs were absolutely illegal but, again, that happened after they had the evidence that KSM was the mastermind.)
I live about an hour north of NYC, and I am glad that these men will finally be put on trial. I am concerned that the defendants may have legitimate Sixth Amendment issues, but I think they can still go through with the trial. I believe they will be found guilty and that they will spend the rest of their natural lives in prison. Just like the people who attacked the WTC in 1993, less than three weeks after Clinton took office.
November 14th, 2009 at 7:55 pmI love meat too, all I eat is meat. Meat, meat, MEAT!!!
November 14th, 2009 at 7:56 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Is everybody up in Alaska a cannibal?
November 14th, 2009 at 8:01 pmRepugs don’t believe in America so it doesn’t surprise me that they don’t believe in justice. Repugs, move aside and let the adults, once again, take care of business.
November 14th, 2009 at 8:01 pm“Hang ‘em high” said the “pro-lifer”. You can’t be pro-life & pro-death at the same time without being a blatant, dishonest hypocrite.
November 14th, 2009 at 8:03 pmI believe in the American justice system.
…..John Allen Muhammad was put to death by lethal injection for one of the 10 murders he carried out in 2002 with a teenage cohort, Lee Boyd Malvo…
November 14th, 2009 at 8:04 pmdasm @ 219, that should read “pro-pre-lifer”. After their born fu(k ‘em.
November 14th, 2009 at 8:08 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
sawyer,
No, dasm was just referring to how many people who call themselves “pro-life” are also extremely “pro-capital punishment”. If you’re opposed to abortion but favor the use of capital punishment, then you should call yourself “anti-choice”.
I favor the right of a woman to choose to have an abortion should she need to. I call myself “pro-choice”. But I am also opposed to the use of capital punishment, so there is no way that one could call me “pro-death”.
November 14th, 2009 at 8:16 pmThe bloodthirsty freaks who think we should abandon the founding principles of our nation in order to assuage their fear and guilt are the greatest friends terrorists have. They seem Hell-bent on completing the destruction on their own so there’s no need for further action from those who wish to see our country fall.
BTW. Revenge has no protection or validation under the Constitution.
November 14th, 2009 at 8:27 pmYou mean, because one is capable of self-sustaining life outside the womb and the other isn’t?
November 14th, 2009 at 8:31 pmOn a related note, Media Maters is fact checking Bible Spice’s book. Perhaps that should read “fact” checking?
Anyway, new bits are popping up all the time.
http://mediamatters.org/
November 14th, 2009 at 8:37 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Life is LIFE. You can’t say you’re pro-life and then cherry pick the occasion. You can say you’re anti-choice. Against a woman’s right to choose and against a criminal’s right to choose. But definitely not pro-life. That’s just political doublespeak.
November 14th, 2009 at 8:56 pmOK..What’s with all the beat haters here?
Chop them up, add some onions and mayo and make a beat saled.
It puts lead in your pencil they say..lol
November 14th, 2009 at 8:56 pmIt puts lead in your pencil they say..lol
Or, to use the more proper medical term, “crisp in your cucumber.”
(H/T Dave Barry.)
November 14th, 2009 at 9:01 pmI’m a little late to the discussion but I’m picturing a Palinesque situation where the accused terrorists are released into the wild are hunted down and shot from helicopters.
November 14th, 2009 at 9:04 pmThe point, stupid troll, is that abortion is entirely irrelevant in the current discussion and it takes a sick pup to try and equate them.
November 14th, 2009 at 9:08 pmI think that these teabaggers live in there own little world of retoric.
November 14th, 2009 at 9:12 pmEvery day they either use or benefit from libral influance.
PALIN: The trial will afford Mohammed the opportunity to grandstand and make use of his time in front of the world media to rally his disgusting terrorist cohorts.
Srsly, cuz no defendant has ever pulled a grandstanding maneuver in their trial before.
Sheesh, woman…do you seriously think our judicial system is incapable of handling dangerous defendants? That the judge won’t be able to deal with an obnoxious defendant? That the prisons won’t be able to hold super-duper mean people?
YOU won’t be prosecuting the case or on the bench, so I’m pretty sure the whole thing is gonna be okay.
November 14th, 2009 at 9:16 pmGame of Life says:
Did anyone see her hair when she was on Oprah?
Gawd it look like a bad weave.
I hope she will use her precedes for a more natural look.
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It looked like she was wearing a dead muskrat on her head.
Obviously Palin misses all of the RNC money that was used on her hair, makeup and wardrobe.
November 14th, 2009 at 9:36 pmHi Zooey,
Thank you for posting my poem on your blog..I’m truly honored.
November 14th, 2009 at 9:37 pmYou’re welcome, Indy. It had a fair few views, too. :)
November 14th, 2009 at 9:39 pmOn the subject of beets…cook them, chill them, peel them, slice them. Add olive oil and vinegar (3 to 1), salt and pepper and chill some more. Delish!
November 14th, 2009 at 9:40 pmAnd when you are ready to serve – bring them to room temp.
November 14th, 2009 at 9:43 pmI love beets anyway I can get ‘em!
November 14th, 2009 at 9:45 pmWhat a roguey thing to say.
November 14th, 2009 at 9:50 pmOk folks..got to run again.
Please let me depart with this little diddy.
Teabagger Bob
Let me inform you of my neighbor Bob
He’s ok to talk to but dumb as a knob
He told me today that our country is doomed
I asked him Bob, What’s the cause of your gloom
He said that Obama, Our new president
Is out to destroy us through our government
He’s going to tax us till there’s no tomorrow
And that, my neighbor, is the cause of my sorrow
Bob, you have to make two hundred grand
To see any increase in the Obama tax plan
And I’m glad to hear that you earn so much pay
Or you would’nt worry what the rightwingers say
He said that Obama is really a Muslim
And I’m a good christian so there’s no way I’d trust him
He was’nt born in this country we’re in
The man refuses to wear a flag pin
Well Bob, I fear you are out of your mind
Hawaii gained statehood in fifty and nine
And why would a Muslim worship and sing
In a church of God where Jesus is King
So Bob said “Obama wants to kill Grandma
and send out his thugs to promote euthenasia
and dont try to tell me that this I do’nt know
That sweet little Sarah Palin said so”
OK Bob, So you would rather a lawyer
fight for the rights of your family’s disorder
of failing to plan for the loss of a love mate
and suffer the loss of control over probate
So Bob said “Obama used schools by coercion
to brainwash our kids to a life of perversion
these clinics in schools are just a shrewed way
to abbort all those babies without parent’s say”
So Bob, do you really think that our schools
would be guilty of claims by conservitive fools
and if it were true and we’re sheep led to slaughter
Then what would it say about your own daughter
So Bob said, “Obama wants to make guns illegal
And build FEMA death camps for conservative people
He will lock up the people who dare disagree
He is not like us, I’m surprised you cant see”
Well Bob, I ca’nt see why you travel to places
Where people hang teabags in each other’s faces
But they never admit that their fear from within
has much more to do with the shade of his skin
Then Teabagger Bob, became very angry
He then used the “N” word, it’s always so handy
‘He’s a Nazi!” he said, as his face turned beat red
When he takes all my rights I’ll be better off dead
Hey Bob, Are you nuts, or just drinking too much
I never knew you were so out of touch
So how do you come to belive those stranges views
He said “I know the truth because I watch Fox News”
As always..Spread it around..Drive them crazy.
nite all.
November 14th, 2009 at 9:50 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
sawyer says:
I’m just hopeful that Judge Robert Ito won’t be presiding over the case, and keep Mark Furman away too.
November 14th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Well dear, since Judge Ito is on the bench in California, and that’s a very different state (all the way across the WHOLE country!), I don’t think there’s a chance in hell of that happening.
Are you sad now…?
November 14th, 2009 at 9:53 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
sawyer says:
November 14th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
No kidding.
November 14th, 2009 at 9:57 pmWhy can’t that mouthy Palin woman stay home, be the proper “coinservative” wife and helpmate, and take care of her “rogue” rats?
November 14th, 2009 at 10:01 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Rufus Leaking says:
November 14th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
The death penalty is not a deterrent to crime.
November 14th, 2009 at 10:04 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Zooey says:
I love beets anyway I can get ‘em!
And they’re good for you…
November 14th, 2009 at 10:10 pmKhalid Sheikh Mohammad is deterred from committing a terrorist act while in prison, doofus.
November 14th, 2009 at 10:11 pmYeah, give them the moose treatment, right, Sarah?
November 14th, 2009 at 10:12 pmWe really don’t know if they’re ‘terrorists’ or ordinary, everyday Iraqis who were scooped up. That doesn’t seem so far out considering the soulessness of the Bush administration. It seems that much of what Bush did was done to intimidate the entire middle-east. Not just the nations at war.
November 14th, 2009 at 10:14 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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The Al-Qaeda guys dream of martyrdom.
Why give them that pleasure?
If he is found guilty in a court of law, he should be sentenced to life in prison.
Why would the white-wingers want to create yet another “martyr” to the Al-Qaeda
cause?
Others wishing to harm innocent civilians throughout the world would be inspired by this man’s execution, and would go into warp drive with the violence.
Again, why do white-wingers, especially the “religious” ones, harbor such violent impulses?
These violent impulses to subvert the legal system make the white-wingers the same sort of garbage as the Al-Qaeda boys.
November 14th, 2009 at 10:14 pmsawyer says:
Not against other prisoners.
November 14th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Like you care about that. :-D
November 14th, 2009 at 10:15 pm255, Dude what do I care what a terrorist does to another prisoner…?
November 14th, 2009 at 10:16 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Sarah is still on Facebook ?
Shouldn’t she have quit by now ?
November 14th, 2009 at 10:20 pm260, Thank you, I get that a lot.
November 14th, 2009 at 10:23 pmIt appears to me that Palin is tapping into the Davy Crockett approach to politicking – only with less street cred. Personally, I think she abandoned aspirations of office and is looking to milk the money cow and feed her ego with attention. I sincerely question whether she believes what she said. To me, she is a carnival barker. She may not be smart enough to realize that is what she is, but she is certainly smart enough to realize what she is doing is successful.
As for the trial itself, no defense attorney in the world would want to have the trial in the very place where assembling an impartial jury is impossible. As others have noted, I think the politics of the trial are unsettling to the right on several levels. There is of course the whole torture thing, but there is also the aspect that justice may be served while Obama is President. It will not look good to the right if legitimate trials convict KSM, in front of the world, under a Dem President. That will just provide more international respect for Obama. And for some reason, respect from you peers is anathema to some.
November 14th, 2009 at 10:25 pmNew England Indy says:
Oh my gosh, your poem is a scream! Sadly, I’m pretty sure I know Bob, he lives in Virginia.
November 14th, 2009 at 10:25 pmSo is Palin suggesting that the government should simply take all of the accused out to a back alley and shoot them in the head, then dump them in an unmarked mass grave? Or perhaps throw them in “the dungeon” for the rest of their lives?
If a military tribunal is the best method of bringing the accused to justice, then why didn’t these proceedings take place while Bush was POTUS?
Cause we certainly would not want to put them on trial and PROVE their guilt in a Federal court of law, now would we? That would be the civilized, “American” thing to do.
November 14th, 2009 at 10:25 pmI can’t beleive how these trolls are so willingly to give up on American ideals! Heaven forbid they were ever arrested and denied a attorney! THAT is what America is all about! And let’s face it. These guys will be found guilty. What are the Repugs and the trolls so afraid of? I have faith that NY can do this. I have faith that New Yorkers can keep thier city safe. How these guys underestimate the American people. I will not live MY life cowering in fear.
November 14th, 2009 at 10:28 pmDidn’t Bush murder hundreds of thousands and not go to trial?
November 14th, 2009 at 10:34 pmWell said PD. I don’t get why the rightie folk are so afraid of having these guys in a US prison either. Not only do our prisons seem to hold folk pretty well, but aren’t the publicans, including dear Sarah, armed to the teeth in order to defend their freedoms? I thought they were ready to defend themselves 24/7.
November 14th, 2009 at 10:35 pmP.D. @ 266, Remember what President Reagan once said, “You mess with the bull, you get the horns.”
November 14th, 2009 at 10:38 pm@269, Reagan? Yet again? Young people don’t worship Reagan. In fact, they say, “Reagan who?” And I think the Gipper himself would be embarassed to what the Repug Party has become.
November 14th, 2009 at 10:41 pmPalin was elected by the people of Alaska to complete a four year term as governor. Instead she has decided to squander an opportunity to lead by example and spend her time criticizing President Obama from an internet foxhole where she only answers to other conservatives whom subscribe to her Christo-fascist worldview.
November 14th, 2009 at 10:45 pmWhy are we (including Think Progress) giving ink to someone who quit her job as governor so she could write policy on Facebook?
November 14th, 2009 at 10:48 pmRe: OutstandingInMyField @ 268
Prosecutors expect to seek the death penalty. Prison stay might be only 6 or 8 years.
November 14th, 2009 at 10:51 pmP.D. you’re right, President Reagan would be embarrassed. But it would be the same kind of embarrassment he felt about Ollie North. It’s the old “one bad apple” thing. President Ronald Reagan took responsibility for the good and the bad.
November 14th, 2009 at 10:53 pmhappy@272, Because we are sadists. Wait until next week when MSM will be drooling all over Sarah and her book tour. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.
November 14th, 2009 at 10:53 pmRufus:
November 14th, 2009 at 10:57 pmReally? Reagan took responsibility? I seem to recall some statement about his heart and intentions telling him one thing but the evidence telling him another.
Be careful, BEETS could be the new wedge issue. BTW Palin is a most distasteful deadbeet.
November 14th, 2009 at 11:00 pmReagan couldn’t recall….a great GOP criminal tradition.
November 14th, 2009 at 11:01 pmsawyer @ 273, I don’t mind the death penalty but let’s not get ahead of ourselves here. Why not let them volunteer for medical experiments and scientific research? Instead of turning them into martyrs we can find a cure for male pattern baldness. That would turn tragedy into triumph.
November 14th, 2009 at 11:01 pmtbone @ 276, Yeah, something like that.
November 14th, 2009 at 11:02 pmReagan was fast with the folksy sayings while commiting crimes and killing innocent people.
November 14th, 2009 at 11:07 pmBriseadh na Faire says:
Therein lies the rub. Bush resisted any kind of investigation, ultimately allowing an inquiry into the supposed failures of the intelligence community.
So, on the one hand, you have confessions elicited by torture. On the other, you have scientific analysis of videos highly suggestive of planned demolition; the absolute total disappearance of 4 commercial jetliners (never before, nor after, has a commercial jet totally disintegrated upon impact), you have cell phone calls from 40,000 feet, made before the technology to make such calls possible was instaled on U.S. commercial aircraft, you have a non-hardened nose of a commercial jet punching through 9 feet of hardened, reinforced concrete.
What you don’t have: passenger seats. Luggage. Black boxes. Engines. Body parts. Forensics. DNA. Metalurgy analysis.
I, for one, have a reasonable doubt as to the guilt of KSM, or any of the alleged hijackers (their bodies weren’t recovered, and there are reports of at least some of them being seen alive after that day.)
Maybe I’m hoping too much, but I hope the Defense is allowed to put all this into the public record.
This is so correct. 9/11 was a crime that was never investigated. People were pronounced responsible and guilty before an investigation ever took place. Yes, bring this case into a court of law — ask the questions, be prepared for the answers. Who wired the buildings? Who really was behind these crimes? Perhaps a public trial will shed some light. Let’s only hope.
November 14th, 2009 at 11:07 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
jb @ 281, Not the Ronald Reagan I knew.
November 14th, 2009 at 11:08 pmIf I recall correctly, KSM was identified as the “mastermind” and admitted to being the “mastermind” before he was subjected to the “Enhanced Interrogation Techniques” (more accurately known as “Torture”.)
It was the other way around, Wayne.
The mastermind of the September 11 attacks was captured in Rawalpindi, Pakistan on March 1, 2003, and according to Office of Legal Counsel memos released last month, was waterboarded 183 times that same month.
Four years later, in 2007, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed “confessed” to being the mastermind behind 9/11. That’s why Palin and others want Bush’s Military Commissions, where evidence elicited under torture would be admissible, and where the defendants would be prohibited from claiming they were tortured. In my opinion, that’s the only way they could get a conviction. In their opinion, too, apparently. Otherwise, why would they be complaining about giving the accused a fair trial?
November 14th, 2009 at 11:12 pmsawyer @ 283, And don’t forget the research being done on dick extenders. How would you like to be as big and tumescent as I am? So the death penalty thing really isn’t a good idea after all.
November 14th, 2009 at 11:13 pmCan we please stop talking about Sarah, I don’t read, Gump and Carrie, god told me to make a sex tape, Prejean and promoting their god forsaken books.
As if there is not anything more important to talk about.
November 14th, 2009 at 11:14 pmEver hear of the Contras in Central America…funded by Reagan goons. Remember Ben Linder.
November 14th, 2009 at 11:14 pmThe stupid trolls may be a bit more perceptive than we give them credit for. I think what has them pissing themselves is the fact that we, the American people, will be on trial too. Guilty people always fear trials.
November 14th, 2009 at 11:18 pmPALIN:
HT: Charles Shultz (You’re a Good Man, Charlie Brown)
November 14th, 2009 at 11:18 pmWould 9-11 have happened if Reagan had not destroyed the air traffic controllers Union?
November 14th, 2009 at 11:18 pmAtrocious
Cohorts
Insult
Hateful rhetoric
Well…at least she is familiar with these words she uses.
Look in the mirror lately, Mrs. Palin?
November 14th, 2009 at 11:18 pmjb @ 288 And what may I ask does that have to do with Sarah Palin?
November 14th, 2009 at 11:20 pmI have to disagree with you there, P.D. What the GNOP has become is a direct result of Reagan – not only the economic misery caused by cutting taxes (for the rich) without cutting spending, but also the hypocrisy of deriding big government while increasing the size of the government, not taking responsibility for his crimes (Iran/Contra, funding bin Laden and Hussein, etc.), gutting our ability to enforce environmental laws, deregulating the financial industries (God help you if you had your life savings in an S&L), and in general allowing and participating in corruption on a massive scale. Just because Dubya was worse doesn’t make Reagan good, and Dubya took his whole governing philosophy directly from the Reagan/GHW Bush administration. I respectfully submit that Reagan was the architect of our current problems.
November 14th, 2009 at 11:24 pmOnce again Pete. I think you are absolutely right. America is on trial, and some people are scared of the result.
November 14th, 2009 at 11:25 pmYou are the one that brought Reagan into the discussion. Actually they have a similar emptyness behind the facade of folksy crapola. At least Reagan had Alzheimer’s Disease as an excuse.
November 14th, 2009 at 11:25 pmjb@269: Amen. Palin is Reagan, only dumber.
November 14th, 2009 at 11:31 pmThanks, Tenacious-D, for the nice summation of the Reagan Legacy. The GOP has run these bad ideas into the ground, but can’t come up with anything besides fear.
November 14th, 2009 at 11:34 pmP.D. says:
I can’t beleive how these trolls are so willingly to give up on American ideals!
Indeed. Just look at the issue of flag burning. Never mind that no one will ever destroy what the flag, which is nothing more than a piece of cloth (or its image printed on a napkin on my dinner table), stands for even if you burn 10,000 flags on the steps of the Capitol. Yet these ignorant asses don’t understand that.
Heaven forbid they were ever arrested and denied a attorney! THAT is what America is all about! And let’s face it. These guys will be found guilty. What are the Repugs and the trolls so afraid of? I have faith that NY can do this. I have faith that New Yorkers can keep thier city safe. How these guys underestimate the American people. I will not live MY life cowering in fear.
Again, indeed. They don’t give a damn unless something directly affects them (just like their stance on health care reform).
Let them get captured in a foreign country and denied a fair trial simply because they aren’t a citizen of that country…they’d be screaming like babies and crying for their Mommies.
November 14th, 2009 at 11:36 pmOr let our soldiers get captured and tortured – turnabout is fair play, right? They don’t realize the importance of leading by example.
November 14th, 2009 at 11:40 pmWell, if anyone should know about delaying tactics, Sarah Palin must be the resident expert. After all, the FOIA requests for her emails were made 14 MONTHS AGO, and we are still waiting!
November 14th, 2009 at 11:42 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Sarah, you should avoid using expressions like “spew hateful rhetoric” that describes yourself.
November 14th, 2009 at 11:58 pmTenacious-D says:
Or let our soldiers get captured and tortured – turnabout is fair play, right? They don’t realize the importance of leading by example.
Exactly. In fact, as you may recall, David Gregory posed this very issue to Bush when the Military Commissions Act was passed, and Bush answered by stating that it would be a good thing if other countries adopted the policies of the MCA.
November 15th, 2009 at 12:00 amEdit…
Re: David Gregory. Not exactly that issue, Tenacious-D, but something similar. It dealt with our soldiers getting captured and held indefinitely in a foreign prison and having evidence withheld.
November 15th, 2009 at 12:03 am#302…Everyone but the TV folk still call it National Airport.
November 15th, 2009 at 12:17 amThey don’t name airports after “murderers.”
Oh! Thank you. I needed a good laugh. People name airports after those who put them in a position to name an airport. Those who do best even name whole cities, like Leningrad, after those who gave them the opportunity.
But? Don’t worry. I’m pretty confident that no one will ever name an airport after Chimpy or his Dick.
November 15th, 2009 at 12:19 amOk…posts aren’t posting again…
November 15th, 2009 at 12:24 amOoops…now I know…I used the “b” word. Will try again and be nicer.
November 15th, 2009 at 12:25 amRe: Sarah’s comments.
It’s funny how the Repubs (esp. Fox and Friends) whine when an entertainer (actor, singer, etc.) who happens to be a Democrat makes public comments about political issues. Oh how quickly they are dismissed as know-nothings who aren’t qualified to speak about such issues.
And here we have Mrs. Palin, who was a one-half-term governor and brief VP candidate who is qualified to give us political commentary because she is….um…er…help me out here.
(Republican actor Chuck Norris, on the other hand, was burning up the airwaves the other day delivering his political wisdom to the people! He is such a smart man. *snicker* )
November 15th, 2009 at 12:36 amSarah Palin is an ignoramus, she has no interest in serving the people…she is a gooper through and through. Many of us here remember a time when Republicans were not so lame, but those days are gone. Some around me predict a civil war and I say, war is not civil. How can we help each other? How can we better our people and create a more just society?
November 15th, 2009 at 12:50 am@ 147. Hoodathunk says: db, I’m going to be scoring a mess of beets this week. Any suggestions? November 14th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Find a good recipe for borscht;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borscht
November 15th, 2009 at 12:57 amRufus Leaking says:
You know there’s an airport in Washington D.C. and that airport is named after President Ronald Reagan. They don’t name airports after “murderers.”
Tell that to the families in Nicaragua.
November 15th, 2009 at 1:03 am@ 313. Well, db beet me to it (snark) @ 170, 171.
good advice though. somebody’s home recipe or somebody’s grandma’s home recipe will be better than a published one. roasted sounds good.
EugeneD does have a point about boiled – that ends up like canned-off-the-grocery-store-shelf which can only be made palatable by an equal weight of sour cream…
November 15th, 2009 at 1:06 amSome how I can’t help but feel we’ve come closer together. Good night.
November 15th, 2009 at 1:08 am@ 176. Rufus Leaking says: Tim43, I agree. She reminds me of Joan of Arc too. November 14th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Dang, Leaky Roofus or Reeking Lucas or whatever it is, we didn’t know you were that old. Did you meet St. Joan in person or were you the pissant (peasent) who brought in the firewood to toast her?
And just what is the equivalence between a middle-aged mother of five who happens to be a political whore and a teenaged virgin warrior? Sorry, you’re wrong; Sarah may be running against President Obama and Washington DC, but she wants to be part of the establishment so badly you can smell the stink of flopsweat 1000 klicks away.
November 15th, 2009 at 1:27 amI’m not so sure what is happening in this country (that originates from cu>nt for those who don’t know) but I choose not to be afraid. If these fu(kers want a fight, I’m in. We’re smarter, bigger and ready to defend that which has held us together since our inception. The repubs and teabaggers are going down. They just need some fireworks. buhbye, freaks.
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No, we the people, just need the truth. We are not children to be pandered with — we can handle the truth. Let’s find out who really was behind the crimes of 9/11 – the crimes that sent a lot of sadists/psycopaths on never ending wars enriching their buddies. Let’s be the Americans with courage and ask the questions. Let’s be the patriots that our nation asked us to be…………okay.
November 15th, 2009 at 2:01 ambraveheart — I’m an elder in my country, I have seen a lot. What has happened in the last thirty years would send my elders into great sorrow.. it is good they are dead. I will fight for them and for my children and grandchildren…I will not let you freaks destroy this once great country. I will fight your filth to the death………..just say’in.
November 15th, 2009 at 2:07 am@ 200. Briseadh na Faire says: … On the other, you have scientific analysis of videos highly suggestive of planned demolition; the absolute total disappearance of 4 commercial jetliners (never before, nor after, has a commercial jet totally disintegrated upon impact), you have cell phone calls from 40,000 feet, made before the technology to make such calls possible was instaled on U.S. commercial aircraft, you have a non-hardened nose of a commercial jet punching through 9 feet of hardened, reinforced concrete.
What you don’t have: passenger seats. Luggage. Black boxes. Engines. Body parts. Forensics. DNA. Metalurgy analysis.
…November 14th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
I don’t really want to get into the truther business this evening, not extensively anyway, however, allow me to say that you are wrong, BnF.
For instance, chunks of airplane, some of the more substantial components, like parts of landing gear assemblies were found; not that exclusively, mind you, there were other bits and pieces found too.
Airliners have to have a fair degree of structural integrity to be cycled several thousand time between ground level and operating flight level, but in many respects, they’re quite fragile. The sheet metal skin on a typical aircraft is only a fraction of the thickness of what is found in automotive applications; you can put a dent in an airplane with your thumb and put a serious hole in one with one plow of a hammer.
Airplanes, including airliners, have been pretty thoroughly shredded in impacts with the ground and with mountains, and in most of the cases where there’s a post-impact fire due to a significant fuel load, there just isn’t a whole lot left of large pieces. It does vary from case to case, but given the post-impact collapse of the towers after two hours or so of fire, I’m surprised that the recovery crews found as much as they did. Of course, my recollection is that at least one of the chunks of landing gear was outside the immediate tower debris field – it’s momentum after being sheared from the aircraft took it on a trajectory outside the building drop area.
As for the cell phone issue, I’m not sure that any of the 9/11 aircraft ever got to cruise altitude. Regardless, it’s true that they were not equipped for cell phones, but all of the aircraft involved were probably equipped with in-flight phone service at each seat.
November 15th, 2009 at 2:22 amVirtual Pebble says:
November 15th, 2009 at 2:27 amOops, wrong … BNf is correct. Every airplane crash that ever happened had debris — except, remarkably, the crimes of 9/11. Nothing. Huh? Are we stupid, gullible are so scared. BNF is correct… and you are wrong.
9/11 was very likely an inside job…. let’s find out who were behind it. Is that a worthy pursuit? We the People think so. I’d rather spend a few billion discovering the answers to this crime than who is blowing someone in the white house…get it?
November 15th, 2009 at 2:33 amHouse full of anti-American trolls tonight eh?
One said “actions have consequenses”
That’s pretty funny coming from such a bunch of cowards, traitors and criminals.
November 15th, 2009 at 2:57 amVirtual Pebble is a guy… and Bnf is a gal… Virtual thinks he has the answers, but he doesn’t. He has diatribe. And that is it. 9/11, in my opinion, was an inside job, prove otherwise. You can’t. So let it be… let the process unfold, let the people awaken. The supposed terrorists are amongst us…we paid their salaries. Oops.
November 15th, 2009 at 2:57 amIn typical fashion, Palin makes exaggerated claims then contradicts herself: seems as long as the suspects are convicted, she’ll be OK with the trials.
So what’s the problem with putting them on trial if she acknowledges doing so would bring these terrorists to justice?
November 15th, 2009 at 4:31 amTimmeh
You ignorant pile of dogshit. Dont you get tired of showing how incredibly stupid and brainwashed you are everytime you come by here? Your ignorance is a blight on humanity. I am embarassed to be the same SPECIES as you as stupid as you are
November 15th, 2009 at 5:14 amRepublicans presumably think the Leo Frank example is the way to go here.
November 15th, 2009 at 7:19 amSince the repiggie trolls obsess on Palin’s looks so much, I suggest that Palin pull a Carrie Prejean and post a video of herself on-line, playing with her hoo-hoo.
Isn’t this ultimately what the little repiggie trolls dream of?
I would rather see Palin masturbate than formulate.
November 15th, 2009 at 8:54 amOT…from the NY Times
“Sending 40,000 additional troops to Afghanistan would cost $40 billion to $54 billion,…”
40,000,000,000/40,000 = ONE MILLION DOLLARS per Troop
Where is all this money going…and where is it coming from??
November 15th, 2009 at 9:33 amVirtual Pebble:
How do you explain Bldg. 7 of the WTC collapsing in the exact manner as the twin towers, yet it was not hit by a jet?
Too many questions persist, which for me have not been answered to satisfaction. Why did Bush just sit in that classroom after being told of TWO crashes into the WTC? Damn it, he’s supposed to show leadership. Scare the kids, would he, by rushing out of the room? BS…give me a f-king break.
Why did he fight against the creation of the 9/11 Commission? Why did he insist on having Cheney by his side when interviewed by the commission, and as I recall, they could only take notes and could not have recorders?
I’ll tell you why: because at the very minimum, Bush knew something big was coming and simply allowed 9/11 to happen by just sitting and doing nothing. Look what it got him: re-election and money for his buddies. Bush would have been a one-term president otherwise. Don’t believe me? Go to gop.com and look at the “Accomplishments” section and see what Bush “accomplished” after 8 years.
Hell…I’ll tell you now. Over a period of 8 years, Bush gave us the war on terror (in two countries, one of which was not a threat to us), a tax cut, and school vouchers for DC area schoolchildren. Yes, it’s right there on the official GOP web site for all the world to see. I’d be ashamed if that’s all I could offer over 8 years, but the GOP is proud of it. On top of that, he once proclaimed that the proudest moment of his presidency was catching a big fish. Yes, he said that. In one of his last major interviews held about 1 year ago, he was asked what he was most proud of after serving as president. He said he was proud of our troops and…well, didn’t offer anything else. He wasn’t proud of helping the majority of Americans improve their lives because, well, he didn’t do a damn thing in that area.
It is well-known that his administration didn’t do jack when it came to pursuing terrorists after he was inaugurated. And I am sure you are well aware of the infamous August PDB that warned of terrorist activities. You are also aware that the PDB was brushed off as “historical” information which in Bush’s mind got him off the hook. Hell, any briefing the president gets is historical information; why, even this post I am typing will be historical information in a few short minutes. I wonder how many other PDBs Bush ignored during his 8 years for this very same reason?
November 15th, 2009 at 9:45 amWhy do dogs so enjoy the wind in their faces?
November 15th, 2009 at 9:52 amThese “teabagger” types are so full of hate and negativity and all is wrong with their world — these are not people who can bring positive energy to bear on our problems and ultimate solutions, who can help us toward more harmonious conditions. I feel sorry for them and for those who get suckered in by them to also feel hate and negativity.
November 15th, 2009 at 9:56 amHow does finally starting legal proceedings translate into delaying justice? In apposed to what we are doing now, which is stagnating. An ongoing trial will move faster than trying to determine whether to start a trial.
November 15th, 2009 at 10:25 amWhy do dogs so enjoy the wind in their faces?
Clears their sinus. When you identify others by sniffing their butts, this is probably a good thing to do from time to time.
November 15th, 2009 at 10:34 amRealizing how a smell can trigger a memory of some long ago event in my own life, I try to think a good sniff in the wind for a dog is an opportunity for it to experience feel good brain activity. My cat compares a stiff wind to long distance telephoning, but what the hell does he know? ;)
November 15th, 2009 at 10:52 amYou guys assume that the Bush Administration is afraid of national security consequences of this ONLY. They’re afraid of the 9/11 Truthers as well. They don’t want that becoming bigger than what is…
Liz Cheney/Palin ‘12
November 15th, 2009 at 10:56 amI, like most Americans, hope that Mohammed and his co-conspirators are convicted. Hang ‘em high.
Yes, most Americans want the terrorists brought to justice, but most Americans would also like to see Palin ‘hung high.’ Just do it.
November 15th, 2009 at 11:03 amThe people complaining about trials are all Republicans who don’t want the dirty deeds of Bush/Cheney and the Republican controlled congress in the media. I don’t know why they worry, Fox News won’t report any of it.
November 15th, 2009 at 11:05 am9/11 Trufers = Birfers = 100% losers that should be avoided, ignored, and ridiculed.
November 15th, 2009 at 11:16 amRudy has now done a flip-flop (imagine that) by playing the fear card and calling it too risky for NYC to have these trials.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11/15/giuliani-sounds-off-on-trials-for-911-suspects-in-new-york-city/
He, of course, does not define what the particular risk is, leaving one to assume the risk is to his political standing and ability to raise money for himself.
November 15th, 2009 at 12:01 pmI can’t believe these people honestly think that Mohammed and the others being put on trail have any chance of acquittal. How far will they go when it comes to being anti-Obama? Is there a threshold? If this were Bush what would be said right now? “Our president is standing firm. He won’t back down to the terrorists. The liberals are crapping themselves because anything that makes President Bush look good makes them look bad.”
November 15th, 2009 at 12:08 pmAnd that’s what this is about. Obama looks brave, willing to stand up to terrorists. Obama looks good, therefore it is bad for Republicans. Which is more important to them: Obama looking bad and somehow the terrorists get off, or justice for the victims of 9/11? I wonder…
@ 327. green says: Virtual Pebble is a guy… and Bnf is a gal… Virtual thinks he has the answers, but he doesn’t. He has diatribe. And that is it. 9/11, in my opinion, was an inside job, prove otherwise. You can’t. So let it be… let the process unfold, let the people awaken. The supposed terrorists are amongst us…we paid their salaries. Oops. November 15th, 2009 at 2:57 am
True, I’m a guy. I didn’t know that BnF is female; that wouldn’t have any influence on whether she’s right or wrong. If BnF was male, I’d still think BnF was wrong, just as I think Green and Bad Eye are wrong; And by the way, I’ve worked with and for female scientists, engineers, and managers, and I’ve always been willing to concede an error on my part to them when they’ve pointed it out.
I think you’re wrong because you make unsupported arguments and push assumptions that aren’t demonstrably correct, or that in fact are demonstrably incorrect. I don’t have to demonstrate that, though; I didn’t come on the thread claiming to have some “truth” about 9/11. I merely stated that NYC is a good place to try these alleged “masterminds”, after which, BnF derailed to a “truther” argument.
Another thing that you’re wrong about is my opinion about what I know. I don’t have “the answers”. OTOH, having worked in engineering, science, and technology for several decades, I recognize an argument that is weak on it’s tech footing, which the truther argument is. Given your assertions on this thread alone, I’d be willing to wager that you actually have no idea what kind of debris from the 4 aircraft was recovered. What you have are claims from other people who are just as ill informed as you, but who love them some conspiracy theory.
Speaking of which, my suspicion is that given the capabilities and virtues of most people, even some very well trained covert operations people, that neither you, I, nor anyone else could put together the size of conspiracy required to pull off an event the magnitude of 9/11 AND then keep it quiet afterword. Somebody is always a blabbermouth or gets in a jam and trades information. Aside from that, I’m perfectly willing to sell the government or any other conspirators of your choice short and say they couldn’t organize their way out of a wet paper bag, let alone put together a good automobile accident; 9/11 is virtually impossible for them.
The principle of Occam’s Razor says that the (more or less) standard story on 9/11, the conventional wisdom, is much more likely to be closer to the truth than any conspiracy theory; it’s simpler in a number of factors.
That’s all a far fetch from Palin’s view of what to do with the prisoners. Maybe they can come live with BnF, green and Bad Eye. You guys can swap theories about who done it.
November 15th, 2009 at 12:51 pmThe terrorists should be tried at Gitmo by the military.
November 15th, 2009 at 1:33 pmWhat would Jesus do, you little hypocrite Sarah?
Thou shalt not kill [Matthew 5:21]
If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone at her. [John 8:7]
Do not judge, lest you too be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. [Matthew 7:1 & 2.]
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. [Matthew 5:6]
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy [Matthew 5:7]
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your
trespasses. [Matthew 6:15]
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. [Matthew 5:9]
Resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. [Matthew 5:39]
I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute you; [Matthew 5:44]
Hmm…..Hey Bible Spice, I think you can stop claiming to be a follower of Jesus Christ now. Pathetic.
November 15th, 2009 at 1:54 pm@ 347. conservative guy says: The terrorists should be tried at Gitmo by the military. November 15th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Why? KSM and the other four weren’t battlefield captures, and our field forces weren’t tasked, after the Tora Bora debacle, specifically with running these guys down. The military is just the custodian because Shrub & Darth thought they could avoid due diligence to the law by keeping the captives off US soil. The Federal Court system is very well capable of handling these cases and dropping the appropriate hammer on these turds.
November 15th, 2009 at 2:06 pmI suspect the Zionist Criminal Network…the assassins of 3000 people on Sept. 11, 2001…are afraid the real truth about what happened will come out in a civilian trial. We can only pray that the judge will not be Jewish.
Let’s hope it does and the real perpetrators of 9/11 will be executed.
November 15th, 2009 at 3:21 pmI predict that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed will be acquited due to his confession being illegally obtained thru TORTURE, and this will put the focus on bring the FCUKING CRIMINALS BUSH AND CHENEY TO TRIAL AND HANGING THESE MUTHERFCUKERS ON HIGH. HANG THESE SCUM BAG MUTHERFCUKERS. HANG THEM, HANG THEM, HANG THEM!!!!
November 15th, 2009 at 3:42 pmLike any real American or New Yorker cares what this miserable waste of space has to say about 9/11.
November 15th, 2009 at 5:52 pmUh oh, Sarah is re-acting, again! She just had her publisher, Harper Collins, send an email to Palingates. Touched a nerve, eh Sarah? Was it the part about the wite-out on the bill for the abortion?
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2009/11/palingates-hit-nerve-letter-from-harper.html
November 15th, 2009 at 7:05 pmThe only people that are dumber than Palin are the people who worship her.
November 15th, 2009 at 8:34 pmDallasNE says:
He, of course, does not define what the particular risk is, leaving one to assume the risk is to his political standing and ability to raise money for himself.
The risk is that the 5 individuals may actually be convicted of their alleged crimes, which would be a victory for the Obama administration.
And you know we just can’t have that.
November 15th, 2009 at 10:36 pmProChoiceGrandma
Thanks for the juicy reads.
November 15th, 2009 at 10:49 pmDeath Counselor says:
I predict that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed will be acquited due to his confession being illegally obtained thru TORTURE
I don’t think they got the truth from him or that he told the truth. This is why they waterboarded him 183 times.
November 15th, 2009 at 11:06 pmAustralians eat beets on their burgers.
November 16th, 2009 at 12:44 amGame of life
THAT is just disgusting
November 16th, 2009 at 2:53 amPalin is an idiot who cares what she think!
Jess
November 16th, 2009 at 9:20 amOnline Privacy when it Counts
Virtual Pebble:
Google “Operation Northwoods” and tell me that our own government would never conspire against us. We can debate all day whether or not they would be capable of pulling off such an act. However, the fact remains that it is damn scary that they would even consider such a thing.
You still didn’t respond to the inquiry about Bldg. 7’s collapse. Nor did you respond to any other of the many questions surrounding the events of 9/11. Not surprised, really.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:29 pm