Doocy’s fuzzy math: Senate health bill costs ‘close to a trillion dollars.’
Doocy’s fuzzy math: Senate health bill costs ‘close to a trillion dollars.’
Last night, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) released the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, legislation which merged the Senate’s Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee’s bill with the Finance Committee’s bill. According to preliminary analysis from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), the joint legislation will cost $848 billion over 10 years and reduce the deficit by $130 billion over 10 years. This morning on Fox & Friends, host Steve Doocy added the gross total cost of the coverage provisions to the amount by which the bill would reduce the federal budget deficit ($130 billion, but Doocy used an earlier estimate of $127 billion) to argue that the bill would cost taxpayers “close to a trillion dollars.” Watch it:
While expanding coverage to 31 million Americans would cost $848 billion over 10 years, the cost of these coverage expansions would be more than offset by a combination of new revenue and spending changes. After the $848 billion is paid off, the bill invests the remainder — $130 billion — into deficit reduction. Doocy is double-counting the cost of the bill to taxpayers. Imagine the following scenario: you drive to the supermarket and purchase a gallon of $10 laundry detergent with a $20 bill. According to Doocy’s logic, the cost of your detergent is not $10, but rather $30!
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He’s a former weathergirl who now “hosts” an opinion show in the mornings.
He is massively underqualified, thick and dull, befitting a FoxNews talking head.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:03 pmThat makes him a qualified Republican candidate for president!
November 19th, 2009 at 2:05 pmSteve Doocy has just demonstrated why he is the perfect reason you don’t let an uneducated nutball like him manage your money.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:06 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I don’t hear anything about the costs of the lost productivity of the uninsured in terms of the economy. I’ve heard it pegged between 130 to 500 billion by various sources. I wonder if that’s been a consideration in the financial scoring of the various bills by the CBO…I know it hasn’t been considered by any repubes.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:09 pmHe LIED, Igor. LIED.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:09 pmMr DUKE
Glad you can laugh at how stupid you are since I just LOVE to laugh at morons like you
November 19th, 2009 at 2:10 pmRepugs offer nothing but propaganda. That includes the moronic trolls on this site. Once again repugs, listen up…let the adults fix the country and you morons STFU and that includes you Mr. Duke.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:10 pmDoocy’s brain is fuzzy. It’s causing him to act like an uninformed, blustering Doocebag.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:16 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Eh — Doocy just likes to say the word “trillion”. As do most of the Fox News people. It’s a lot scarier than “billion”.
A good portion of the FNC audience won’t have the faintest idea what Doocy was talking about, but they hear the word “trillion” and their Pavlovian response is to be frightened.
Tomorrow, Doocy will probably just get on the air and say “trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion”.
I wonder why the word wasn’t quite so popular over at Fox News during the Bush administration?
November 19th, 2009 at 2:18 pmJebus. Doocy is a dooshy. (Moderation is for TROLLS.)
November 19th, 2009 at 2:19 pmMr. Duke,
Weren’t you my 5th grade teacher who was hauled way for pedophilia?
You sound just like him.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:19 pmWe are going to check the fine print of any health care reform. On the Ed Schultz radio show this morning, he said that Senator Reid had dropped the removal of the anti-trust exemption for insurance companies from his bill.
O/T: Since President Obama is looking for a way out of his Afghan quagmire, here are a few suggestions:
Just do or say:
Abandon ship, About-face, retreat, Aloha, Apologize for overstaying one’s welcome, and just leave, Auf weiderzahn, Au voir, Back out, Bail out, Beg off, Be Gone with the Wind, Blow it off, Blow the scene, Bow out, Break it off, Bring the troops home, Bug out, Butt out, Call a halt, Call it quits, Cancel plans, Cave in, Chalk it up to experience, Change the course, Chao, baby, Check out, Chicken out, Choke up, Clear out, Close up shop, Cop out, Creep away, Cut and run, Declare victory and come home, Depart, Desert the desert, Disentangle, Draw back, Drop out, Eat crow, Eat humble pie, Eat one’s words, End this fool’s errand, End this tomfoolery, Evacuate, Exit, stage right, Fail, Fall back, Flake out, Flee, Fly away, Fly the coop, Forsake, Get back, Get cold feet, Get out by sundown, Give up, Go away, Go fly a kite, Go jump in the lake, Good widdance to bad wubbish – (Elmer Fudd cartoon), Got to get away, Hasta la vista, baby, Head for the hills, Hit the road, Homeward bound, Hurry home, It’s all over but the shouting, It’s all over now, baby blue, Just say no, Just walk away,
Leave, Let’s call the whole thing off, Pack it in, Pick up your marbles and go home, Quit, Rehire Saddam, Relinquish control, Renounce imperialism, Retreat, Return home, Reverse the course, Sail away, Say good bye, Shut it down, So long, its been fun, Split, Stop, Stop rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic: abandon ship!, Surrender, Take a powder, Terminate the visit, Throw in the towel, Turn tail, Turn the lights out, Wilt under pressure, Wimp out, Wind down, Withdraw with honor, Yankee, come home.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:20 pmWhy not?! You bought the lie that the deficit would go down by cutting taxes for the wealthy and increasing war funding to an astronomical amount…all’s fair in blood and war right dooky?
November 19th, 2009 at 2:21 pmMr.Duke says: LMAO
One can only hope but, unfortunately, it would likely take a very large, sustained guffawed to accomplish the task. I don’t think any one individual is capable of such a feat.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:21 pmMost Fox viewers are so dumb and/or gullible that they probably hear stuff like this and think it means that it’ll cost $1 trillion per year.
No, dummies, we’re not talking about the military spending per year, we’re only talking about an amount that is LESS than what we’re currently spending in the two current wars per year.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:21 pmMr.Duke says: Yep, for the 1st time in govt. program history, the deficit will go down by adding a new program. Buy that?
You don’t need to belittle the trickle-down economic theory here – that’s preaching to the choir.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:23 pmYep, for the 1st time in govt. program history, the deficit will go down by adding a new program. Buy that? LMAO.
Duke is all outraged over a new program that doesn’t kill people, help Halliburton, throw away trillions on the pentagon, gee, he must be a repug.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:23 pmOur mysterious, random vote down troll strikes again!
Maybe he/she/it can explain the mystery that is Steve Doocy’s cerebrum/lack thereof
November 19th, 2009 at 2:24 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Vote Down Troll is a coward.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:27 pmMr Duke
We understand how stupid you are and how you have no critical thinking skills or the ability for higher brain function. Think about rural electricity. It FAR more than paid for itself. A VERY expensive program for its day it so stimulated the economy by bringing a market for goods to rural areas. Think of the jobs that created think of the stimulus to industry the worlds lowest power costs brought to America. You are stupid. You are blinded by an already discredited and frankly STUPID ideology that gov cant do anything right or in any way HELP citizens. You really are just a stupid punkass troll but try to get past that for once in your pathetic life and try to have a thought that Rush DIDNT put in your head
November 19th, 2009 at 2:28 pmMr Duke you are not ONLY an ignorant brainwashed moron. You are a selfish soulless prick. Tell the children who managed to avoid brain damage from malnutrition during their early years how much those programs failed. Tell the child that DIDNT go hungry it was a failure. Not to mention that poverty levels DID drop a huge amount because of those programs. My GOD you are stupid. Saying because we still have poverty that poverty programs failed is as stupid as saying having hospitals failed because people still get hurt and sick. Doesnt it bother you to be so pitifully stupid?
November 19th, 2009 at 2:32 pmDoocy isn’t counting anything right or wrong. He’s reading what he’s been told to read. His last original thought came after “would you like fries with that”.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:32 pmMr. Duke, Jesus said that there would be poor with us always while he simultaneously commanded his followers to feed, clothe, care for (i.e. healthcare), and generally help the poor among us anyway. Further, he clearly stated that he came to save everyone but that not everyone would be saved. So, is Jesus a failure as much as LBJ is in your little mind?
November 19th, 2009 at 2:32 pmDoocy, Kilmeade, et al, are doing their master’s bidding. However, some day Murdoch may sell the Fox Network and these meat puppets may end up with no job and nowhere to go because of their “work” on Fox. I look forward to the day when Doocy and the blond bimbo, Megan Kelly are tossed. They may find work in a small TV station outlet that is in the middle of nowhere.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:32 pm“The modern conservative is engaged in one of mans oldest excersices in moral philosophy. That is the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness”
John Kenneth Galbraith
November 19th, 2009 at 2:34 pmhellinabucket says: Doocy isn’t counting anything right or wrong. He’s reading what he’s been told to read. His last original thought came after “would you like fries with that”.
Actually, his response would have been the result of the prompt and, therefore, not independent or orginal. You are generous.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:34 pmTTTC why would you continue to expose your monumental stupidity as if it were something to be proud of? Just STFU you ignorant punkass troll
November 19th, 2009 at 2:35 pmTTTC says:
Why would a troll not read what this thread was about before posting? Just answered my own question…I forgot, the troll can’t read.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:37 pmTTTC are you talking about Rove and his involvment with the Siegleman case? Or are you talking about the missuse of RNC email webservers for official govt. business? Maybe your trying to get to the truth about curveball, Or who really did divulge a secret agents identity.
Your posts reek of Foxness. Why did…..?
November 19th, 2009 at 2:37 pmDoocy’s fuzzy math: Senate health bill costs ‘close to a trillion dollars.’
Does anybody have the estimates heard on Fox for the Iraq invasion/occupation back in 2003?
What was the figure?
November 19th, 2009 at 2:38 pmThey certainly do have fuzzy math.
So chillingly true…(especially after ready Sharlet’s ‘The Family’), it’s creepy how they conveniently detach from Jesus all of his commands with the personality of Jesus remaining in their striving for power…
November 19th, 2009 at 2:38 pmFuzzy math= New term for lying
November 19th, 2009 at 2:38 pmPLC, point taken.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:39 pmEugeneDebs says:
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“The modern conservative is engaged in one of mans oldest excersices in moral philosophy. That is the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness”
John Kenneth Galbraith
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Great quote, I think it sums up cancervatives nicely Eugene!
November 19th, 2009 at 2:39 pmI got your fuzzy math.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704431804574539581994054014.html#mod=most_viewed_day
November 19th, 2009 at 2:40 pmTTTC is learning how to copy and paste, how cute of her.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:43 pmpastcaring says
November 19th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
That makes him a qualified Republican candidate for president!
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Not until he’s had a boob job and competed in a beauty pageant.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:43 pm50,000 protesters equals over a million on Fox.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:44 pm#11 – Mr.Duke says:
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“Yep, for the 1st time in govt. program history, the deficit will go down by adding a new program. Buy that?”
November 19th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
If you cared to read the details, you would realize that the HCR bill will reduce the rolls of people in Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP and other federal programs.
Why don’t right-whiners care about details?
Oh, I keep forgoting. You’ve got your fabriacted “talking points” and the facts will not stop you from spreading calumny. Never underestimate the inability of right-whiners to fool themsleves about the facts!
November 19th, 2009 at 2:44 pmMr.Duke says:
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I got your fuzzy math.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704431804574539581994054014
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Wow, the Wall Street Journal, oh poor repug.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:44 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
So it;s not OK to “lie” about Sarah Palin but is deemed acceptable by Fox to lie about this?
http://www.political-buzz.com/
November 19th, 2009 at 2:46 pmWhat do you expect? Doocy is a Class A MORON. I don’t think Sesame Street would accept him……
November 19th, 2009 at 2:46 pmMr.Duke says:
I got your fuzzy math.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704431804574539581994054014.html#mod=most_viewed_
Got anything that doesn’t involve an Australian pirate/ P.T Barnum style propaganda peddler?
November 19th, 2009 at 2:46 pmquestion to Mr. Duke. with all your “LMAO” can you now breath some fresh air? or is your head still firmly planted in that cavity?
November 19th, 2009 at 2:46 pm#41 – TTTC says:
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“That is the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness”
November 19th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
While all the right-whiners don’t need “a superior moral justification” for their selfishness. The right-whienrs simply repeat their fabriacted “talking points” and ignore reality!
November 19th, 2009 at 2:46 pmRab says:
Mr.Duke says:
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I got your fuzzy math.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704431804574539581994054014
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Wow, the Wall Street Journal, oh poor repug.
Did you see who wrote that story? Gotta believe he knows more than you or me.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:47 pmTTTC says:
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Wow, the Wall Street Journal, oh poor repug
Nice rebuttal. Poor regressive.
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No rebuttal needed, Wall Street Journal says it all, poor repug can’t even understand that.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:48 pmMy GOD you are stupid TTTC
Only the stupidest morons on the PLANET could possibly think tha makes sense besides the fact only the most ignorant third grade mind thinks the argument I know you are but what am I is still clever. You are so stupid and pathetic it should be illegal. Just STFU. You are pitiful
November 19th, 2009 at 2:49 pmWill it take 6 days or 6 weeks, I don’t know but it won’t take 6 months. That’s fuzzy.
Mission Accomplished. fuzzy like mold.
“Whoever was responsible for leaking the secret agent to the public will be fired” past fuzzy.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:50 pmMr DUKE
We already KNOW you are far too stupid to think for yourself and if you think those quotes are clever it just shows what an ignorant punkass troll you really are.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:51 pmOr made sex tapes in which he can be declared a master-debater?
November 19th, 2009 at 2:52 pmMr. Duke, your link doesn’t provide reasons why health reform shouldn’t be done. It provides reasons why we need even MORE health reform than this.
How is this fuzzy math?
November 19th, 2009 at 2:55 pmMrs.Duke said,
No, you don’t “gotta believe”. Only people who are too stupid to think for themselves “gotta believe”. You want me to believe something is true, you gotta prove it to be true. That’s the scientific method.
Fools choose to believe that which cannot be proven.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:55 pmJohn Stuart Mills.
Although it is NOT true all conservatives are stupid people it IS true that most stupid people are conservatives.
D’isreali
A conservative government is organized hypocrisy
Conservatism discards Prescription, shrinks from principle disavows progress having rejected all respect for antiquity it offers no redress for the present nor prospect for the future
Elbert Hubbard
a conservative is a man too cowardly to fight and too fat to run
November 19th, 2009 at 2:57 pmTTTC says:
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Why would holder purposely taint the jury pool?
November 19th, 2009 at 2:32 pm Vote Up | Vote Down | (-6) | Report WTF are you babbling about?
November 19th, 2009 at 3:00 pmtony and lido
Mr duke,
I see that the doctor you are holding up as a great expert on the health care bill (Dr, Flier)received a $500,000 grant from Bristol-Myers Squibb. Now why am I not surprised he’s against health care reform.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:01 pmThe standard Republican reply to cutting the deficit is to take a meat axe to the social services. There is a much better solution. Raise taxes on the top 5% of the US which will bring in significant dollars to reduce the deficit. The rich disproportionately got more under the tax cuts and therefor they should pay more taxes to reduce the deficit from the tax cuts. The middle class is responsible for bringing the economy back on track with spending so their taxes should stay the same. Problem solved.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:01 pmBut not to cut & run…like their ice-queen Failin’ Palin
November 19th, 2009 at 3:02 pmangels81 says:
Mr duke,
I see that the doctor you are holding up as a great expert on the health care bill (Dr, Flier)received a $500,000 grant from Bristol-Myers Squibb. Now why am I not surprised he’s against health care reform.
and how much money did congress and the president get from lobbyists?
November 19th, 2009 at 3:05 pmOOOhh mr. dookey the cut & run ice princess jab has touched a nerve….
November 19th, 2009 at 3:05 pmall that TARP for what? just delaying the inevitable …
New Record! 9.64% Of All Mortgages Delinquent!
November 19th, 2009 at 3:07 pmThe Mortgage Bankers Association has announced that 9.64% of all mortgages are now delinquent, and this delinquency rate breaks the record set last quarter. The records are based on MBA data dating back to 1972.
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Opinion broadcast /= Journalism
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November 19th, 2009 at 3:08 pmanyway the welfare state is for losers… enjoy, it while you can. .. it will all end badly. out.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:08 pmMr DUKE
YOU arent even delaying the inevitable. No matter how often you show how stupid and brainwashed you are. Rightwing morons like you ARE being marginalized. No one in their right minds takes ignorant punkass trolls like you seriously.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:09 pmMr duke,
Your point is what? Can’t refute the fact that 1/2 million dollars might taint the good doctors view?
November 19th, 2009 at 3:09 pmMr Duke
Actually ignorant soulless piles of dogshit like YOU are EPIC losers
November 19th, 2009 at 3:10 pmYou’re reight, Mr. Puke…the long arc of electoral politics show that it will end badly…for your crowd…oh well…
November 19th, 2009 at 3:13 pmMr duke,
Your vote down just proves my point. You got nothing, and got called on it.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:13 pmthe economic house of cards will end badly … too much debt, taxes out of control, govt. is out of control …
November 19th, 2009 at 3:14 pmThis is nothing new. From health care to climate change to the effects of the New Deal, Republicans and the right-wing in particular depends on the radical manipulation of truth to push their agenda.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:16 pmMr duke,
Taxes out of control? I guess you can thank your guy bush for that. Obama hasn’t raised taxes, so its kind of hard to blame him.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:17 pmMr. Duke @ 77–I refer you to your earlier post @ 71 where you say out, implying you are leaving….cya, don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya!
Or where you lying…like all reightwingers?
P.S. that was a rhetorical question…
November 19th, 2009 at 3:17 pmDoocy x Duke = incorrect.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:18 pmMr DUKE
Your abject stupidity and the bankrupcy of your ideology has ALREADY been catastrophic for America you are just so incredibly STUPID you want to continue to do the same things and expect different results. Thats just the kind of mindless, brainwashed moron you are
November 19th, 2009 at 3:23 pmThere are no taxes out of control. The problem is from tax cuts and unfunded wars which occurred under Bush. The deficit can be fixed with tax increases for the very wealthy. Trickle down Reaganomics is dead and a gigantic failure.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:24 pmpags you are right. We have one of the lowest taxrates in the industrial world. ESPECIALLY at the top end
November 19th, 2009 at 3:27 pmReagan raised taxes more than any other contemporary President.
Plus he gave amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants.
Conservatives have never succeeded at anything that wasn’t destructive.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:31 pmDoocy likes to play loosey with facts. Facts, he don’t need to be bothered with friggin facts.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:48 pmMr. Dukes likes the sound of stupid on his eardrums. Negative reinforcement, to him is better than none at all. Just like a troubled kid headed toward a life of crime, he does and says things for that purpose. Better to just vote down and leave it at that.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:51 pmThere’s one thing that seems to be overlooked here. There are two ways to lower the deficit: decrease net spending or increase net taxes.
Also, I’m seeing a lot of ad hominem attacks here. That doesn’t really support anybody’s point one way or the other, takes up extra time, and doesn’t progress the conversation.
November 19th, 2009 at 7:43 pm#88 – John Hoover says:
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“There’s one thing that seems to be overlooked here. There are two ways to lower the deficit: decrease net spending or increase net taxes.”
November 19th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Actually, there’s a third way: do both.
The Republican only want to reduce taxes for the rich and the corporations that throw campaign money in their laps, and increase spending on wars based on lies. And they have the audacity to call themselves “fiscally conservative”.
November 19th, 2009 at 9:19 pmIt’s not really very nice to criticize Mr. Doocey. Fox News has gratiously agreed to let the “challenged” Mr. Doocey work there to help his self-esteem and give him some life skills. He’s doing the best he can, so don’t judge him as you would normal people.
November 19th, 2009 at 10:25 pm“Fuzzy math”? Perhaps someone can explain to me “the joint legislation will cost $848 billion over 10 years and reduce the deficit by $130 billion over 10 years.” If legislation reduces the deficit by $130B over 10 years, how does it cost $848 billion over the same 10 years? But wait. More importantly:
“Fuzzy math”? Medicare’s unfunded by $38 trillion, present value, due today. And you’re impressed by reducing the deficit $130B over 10 years?
The interest alone on $38T over 10 years is ONE-HUNDRED TIMES (100x) the $130B deficit reduction. But “shhhh”. We’ve been suckling their ignorance for decades. Don’t buck tradition.
November 19th, 2009 at 11:20 pmPursueIGNORANCE
You arent pursuing anything. You are spewing brainwashed ignorance. Raising taxes on the top one percent, getting savings from medicare efficiency, saving costs are just a few of the ways to do EXACTLY what it says it will do. The CBO is a nonpartisan gov statistics agency. If they SAY it will do that then they have the credibility that the rightwing screechmonkeys that do YOUR thinking do NOT.
November 21st, 2009 at 4:55 amAlso MORON. They showed EXACTLY what was wrong with his math. If YOU can show where THEY made a mistake do so. If you cant then STFU and stop acting like a brainwashed moron spouting hivemind conditioning
November 21st, 2009 at 4:56 amWhere were all these critics when we were going into Iraq?
What was the reason that satisfied so many that they were OK to spend a nations into crisis.
“Pags2″
Has hit the Nail on the head.. How did so many feel good about “Reganomics” and not understand how it would end? Bush Administration put “Regonomics on steroids and entered 2 wars that I still question as to “Why did we go into Iraq?”
Where were all these critics who could have saved this Nation’s Treasure and reputation?
Walking the streets during 3 demonstrations, After the 3rd watched the news and found that we not supporting our troops.
Have watched Fox too often and questioned Where was your voices when we were about to enter a Quagmire then?
They were “Supporting of our Troops”
“james K Sayre”
I am so grateful that Obama is looking careful at this Quagmire and recognizing that we really don’t understand the culture or can even speak the language..We have not won a war sense WWII. I speak from experience from the Viet Nam War.
November 21st, 2009 at 8:37 amWe didn’t understand the culture, we did not win the hearts and mind of the people.
tom