Bush Justice officials support trying terror suspects in civilian court.
Bush Justice officials support trying terror suspects in civilian court.
Saying that critics are “understating the criminal justice system’s capacities,” two top Bush Justice officials came out in support of Attorney General Eric Holder’s decision to try Khalid Sheik Mohammed and other Guantanamo detainees in federal court. Writing in the Washington Post, Jim Comey, former deputy attorney general and U.S. attorney in Manhattan, and Jack Goldsmith, a former assistant attorney general who now teaches at Harvard Law School, wrote that the move is “unlikely to make New York a bigger target” and that civilian courts are a proven venue for terror trials:
[T]here is no question about the legitimacy of U.S. federal courts to incapacitate terrorists. Many of Holder’s critics appear to have forgotten that the Bush administration used civilian courts to put away dozens of terrorists, including “shoe bomber” Richard Reid; al-Qaeda agent Jose Padilla; “American Taliban” John Walker Lindh; the Lackawanna Six; and Zacarias Moussaoui, who was prosecuted for the same conspiracy for which Mohammed is likely to be charged. Many of these terrorists are locked in a supermax prison in Colorado, never to be seen again.
In terrorist trials over the past 15 years, federal prosecutors and judges have gained extensive experience protecting intelligence sources and methods, limiting a defendant’s ability to raise irrelevant issues and tightly controlling the courtroom.
Comey and Goldsmith are hardly the first conservatives to support Holder’s faith in the U.S. justice system. In a joint statement prepared by the Constitution Project, David Keene, founder of American Conservative Union, Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, and former representative and presidential candidate Bob Barr wrote Sunday, “We are confident that the government can preserve national security without resorting to sweeping and radical departures from an American constitutional tradition that has served us effectively for over two centuries. … The scare-mongering about these issues should stop.”
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Wonder what Dick, Mikey, and Rush will say about this when they hear about it.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:42 amWell that’s the Kiss of Death.
It’s about damn time that the previous administration takes up the mantle of protectors of the rule of law…like they should’ve been and clearly weren’t when they had the power.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:43 amAlso, TP, what gives with the server going down for 2 hours?
November 20th, 2009 at 11:44 am#3 EnnuiDivine — We’re still trying to figure that out!
November 20th, 2009 at 11:46 amMany of these terrorists are locked in a supermax prison in Colorado, never to be seen again.
And some aren’t, including…
Bush
Cheney
Gonzalez
Rove
Feith
Wolfowitz
Hadley
Addington
Rice
Tenet
Bybee
Mukasey
Bremer
…and any other NeoCON having input into the Iraq fiasco, 9/11, the Patriot Act and Republic congresscritters in general.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:48 amEver since Holders speech, MSM has backed down (Except Faux News, of course). I think this has backed fired. What do the Repugs think we are? A bunch of cowards? THEY certainly acted like s bunch a scared children ready to piss themselves. I have more faith in America than they do. We have tried over one HUNDRED terrorists and these cowards certainly didn’t speak up. What a bunch of wimps.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:50 amEven if Dick had read it, he still would have just went ahead and lied about anyways. None of these clowns know how to tell the truth. Never have and never will.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:51 amTTTC says:
obama and holder slapped all of the victims and their families of 9/11 in the face w/this unprecedented decision.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:50 am
What? The decision to try criminals in a court of law?
“unprecedented,” huh? Look up the word, doofus! The 1993 WTC bombers were tried and convicted in a court of law. Timothy McVeigh was tried and convicted in a court of law.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:55 amTTTC says:
obama and holder slapped all of the victims and their families of 9/11 in the face w/this unprecedented decision.
Why do you think so?
November 20th, 2009 at 11:55 amTTTC, you are full of crap. The DOJ prosecuted almost 200 of these terrorist and these Repugs never said a word. What a bunch of wimps. I have faith in my Country, why don’t you?
November 20th, 2009 at 11:55 amP.D.,
The chafing from his piss-soaked pants makes the troll cranky.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:56 amAs Jon Stewart so eloquently proclaimed to the White Wing…
‘You’re what you’re warning us against!’
November 20th, 2009 at 11:57 amWow, you speak for them? I don’t think so.
You represent 10 or 15% of racists in this country and that’s all you are qualified to speak for.
At least be an honest troll.
I think the election was a slap in your face and it seems to still be stinging.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:57 amNope they just slapped Bush and Cheney and the rest of the criminals of Bushco because their dirty deeds will be exposed for the whole country to see. Well everybody but Fox viewers because they won’t show the truth.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:58 amFrankly, trying them should have the opposite effect of inciting more attacks. Prisoners are forgotten, we kill them, we make martyrs. Isn’t that what you’re worried about TTTC? Bringing them to American soil will incite further attacks? Lock them up and it sends the message: attack us and we will find you. Locking them up on US soil just insures they can’t go anywhere to start more trouble.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:59 amWhoa… Boss Limbaugh ain’t gonna like THAT…
Somebody’s got some ’splaining to do…
November 20th, 2009 at 11:59 amYeah, but the teabaggers are still afraid that our criminal justice system is incapable of keeping their diapers dry.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:59 amIt’s funny that the right wingers are suddenly so concerned about the residents of NYC isn’t it? According to Palin and her ilk they’re not even “real Americans”.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:59 am@16, What does that have to do with ANYTHING?
November 20th, 2009 at 12:00 pmWell I can see this worthless pile of a human is back for more of his BS. This coming from the guy who thinks the six year old deaf girl should be thankful she doesn’t have cancer and will only be deaf because her insurance won’t cover her. TTTC is a heartless excuse for a human being.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:01 pmSo you’re saying that if a criminal flees the country we should forget about extradition?
November 20th, 2009 at 12:01 pmYou guys are wasting your time trying to reason with Jeffy Bovine (TTTC= royal king = olby sucks = whatever)
Just flag down the moron for being such a negative attention ho.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:01 pmTTTC says:
obama and holder slapped all of the victims and their families of 9/11 in the face w/this unprecedented decision.
So in your OWN words can you enplane to me A) why it is unprecedented? B) how closer is a slap to the face?
thanks
November 20th, 2009 at 12:02 pmYou don’t get to decide such things. You can continue to whine but that’s all.
Just because bush admin did stupid things doesn’t mean democrats will.
You’re an idiot and a loser. Own it.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:02 pmTTTC says:
Which battle field were they picked up in?
November 20th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Where was the crime committed, f ucktard?
November 20th, 2009 at 12:02 pmGood on Comey and Goldsmith. They are correct.
And yes, the scaremongering and fearmongering on this issue and a few others needs to stop.
The buttwipes that are fearmongering are doing nothing less than saying that our country is a poor little weeny puke thing that can’t hold up it’s own end of the stick and that the judicial system, most of which was appointed by conservative or Republipimp presidents, is incapable of handling murderers and thugs. I suppose that some of the fearmongers are opportunistic fascists who’d like to scare everyone into supporting their notion of what a real paramilitary police state should like, but that’s another issue.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:02 pmTTTC
You are nothing but an ignorant punkass troll and a worthless pile of dogshit. Why do you bother coming here and showing everyone how stupid you are?
November 20th, 2009 at 12:02 pmWow, TTTC’s link had three whole people speaking for all the victims families. Shocker.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:04 pmThis troll is the worst. I don’t find him amusing, credible or have any redeeming quality at all.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:04 pmNo TTTC
You are just too stupid to understand ANYTHING. Which battle field were MOST of the GITMO detainees picked up in? Oh thats right most of them were SOLD to us by Warlords in Afghanistan and werent picked up on any battlefield either. We know you are far too stupid to think for yourself and are just regurgitating what Rush TOLD you to think but just STFU you are too stupid to be involved in an adult conversation
November 20th, 2009 at 12:05 pmTTTC, you didn’t give a shit about a little six year old girl, and now you want us to believe you care about the 9/11 families? The only person you care about is your own sorry ass.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:05 pmLooks like it’s time to freeze out the idiotic troll.
Don’t respond to it, just vote it down and move on.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:06 pmAFRAID
TTTC we all know you are a liar and a moron. You dont have a shred of decency or integrity. You are stupid beyond human comprehension. No one in their right mind cares one whit what a brainwashed pile of dogshit like you thinks
November 20th, 2009 at 12:07 pmtttc is the troll who’s references amount to: It’s common knowledge.
I say it’s common knowledge that tttc is a child molester.
Works for me.
It’s astounding that trolls like this think they have some kind of authority.
I mean, when did you get anything right troll? Name one success story dude that gives us a clue that you might know anything at all.
racism is not a winning plilosophy. Give it up.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:07 pmOnce the general public is exposed to all the crimes committed by Bushco under the guise of keeping us safe and people realize how simple it would have been to give these detainees trials and convict then without the evidence attained under torture they’re going to wonder why Cheney and his cronies are walking free.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:07 pm@36, YOU are the coward. Are you scared that the terrorists will come and get you? Are you pissing yourself with fear? These trolls love to talk tough, but they are wimps at heart.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:08 pmTTTC says:
So by voting me down I am guessing you have no answers to the questions asked.
or You can not answer in your OWN words and need help from your handlers. You should try to stand for your self and lead a little it may help your son out later in his life.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:09 pmWhy is it all the trailer park resident who have never been to a major city in their lives are all of a sudden worried about security in NYC?
November 20th, 2009 at 12:09 pmShayne@40 THAT’S what the Repugs are afraid about. It has nothing to do with security. The trolls know that. And if they don’t they are idiots.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:10 pmBovine,
When did you exactly serve?
Don’t be afraid to post deployment locations and assignments.
Be specific about your keyboard warrior service pestering progressive blogs like News Hounds, Think Progress and Huffington Post.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:10 pmThats three out of thousands. Victims dont GET to demand we change the constitution to assuage their grief. My GOD you are stupid. You are a brainwashed pile of dogshit. Decent humans shun you. You disgust anyone with any decency at all. You are a soulless ignorant punkass troll.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:10 pmThe idiot troll think we should rewrite Constitution based on what THREE FAMILY MEMBERS say about it. What an idiot.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:11 pmOf course, these comments will not be shown or reported on Fox News and the rest of the conservative right wing media. They should be extensively shown by the rest of the media when the Republicans continue their fear mongering about this issue.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:11 pmand it was on faux so it’s probably a hoax. No, it’s definatly a hoax since it’s faux.
tt is a liar, plain and simple.
pathetic.
tt, if you want to convince us, try to use real world arguments. We’re not teabaggers who believe things just because you say it’s “common knowledge”.
We live in reality. Try it.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:11 pmTTTC. After yesterday and your comments about the six year old, nobody here cares what you have to say or think. Nothing you can say will be taken seriously. You are just a pile of shit.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:12 pm9/11 Families for a Secure America Foundation. Looking at their front page, it was a company formed in 2005 expressly for keeping immigrants out more or less. They blame 9/11 on lax border security.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:12 pmAll the crackers living in Podunk, USA are afraid the terrorists are going to show up at their door because we hold trials. Worried about terrorists trolls, look in the mirror. It’s the Christian Taliban that’s a danger to this country.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:13 pmTTTC
Why dont YOU STFU you ignorant soulless pile of dogshit?
November 20th, 2009 at 12:13 pmSure TTTC right after you tell the other 3,000 victim’s families that you speak for them dipsh#t.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:14 pm@ 16. TTTC says: “The 1993 WTC bombers were tried and convicted in a court of law” Which battle field were they picked up in? November 20th, 2009 at 11:58 am
ah, how soon we forget. Khalid Sheik Mohammed and the other 9/11 plotters we’re planning to try weren’t picked up on any battlefield. KSM was busted in a safe house in Rawalpindi, Pakistan. Ramsi Binalshib was captured in Karachi. I think if you took the trouble to look into it, the other three didn’t arrive in our hands off of any battlefield either, but that’s irrelevant. They committed an act of mass murder and should be tried in a higher court than a military court.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:14 pmTTTC is a LIAR, a COWARD, and an ignorant punkass troll without a shred of decency. Maggots would refuse to infest his putrid flesh out of professional curtesy
November 20th, 2009 at 12:15 pm9/11 FSA’s mission activities are based on the conclusion, supported by the September 11 Independent Commission, that the 9/11 terrorist attacks would have not have happened if our borders had been secure. It is equally obvious that individual street crimes committed by illegals in the United States could not have happened had those aliens not been permitted to enter our country. It’s right there on the page TTTC, vote me down if you have to, but damn dude, it’s right there for everyone to see. I think Lou Dobbs might be a fan of this site; “it’s those damn illegals causing the problem!”
November 20th, 2009 at 12:15 pmI agree with Zooey, we should ignore the troll and just vote him down. He feeds off the attention. I think he needs therapy or a social life.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:15 pmTTTC, I’ll call one of them when you call the six year old girl and her mother and tell them how lucky you think she is.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:15 pmShayne says:
Christian Taliban that’s a danger to this country.
Bingo
the different is that the Taliban is overt about what they want
November 20th, 2009 at 12:15 pmand the Christians are covert about theres.
TTTC, you are using these three republicans at your link for political gain.
Why do you use human misery for political gain?
November 20th, 2009 at 12:16 pmI agree. The scare mongering and stupidity about trying the terrorists in civilian court should stop. NOW.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:16 pmIf Bushco didn’t torture why are they so worried about these trials? Oh I know they’re worried about inconveniencing New Yorkers. That’s hilarious.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:17 pmDoom@65, Then what would Faux News talk about?
November 20th, 2009 at 12:17 pmShayne@66, I find it unreal how the Repugs think NY can’t handle this. You are right. It has nothing to do with safety, it’s about highlighting what the Bush Ad. has done.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:19 pmThe vile troll needs to listen to Glen Beck tell him why he hates 9/11 victims families. He’s obviously got his messages mixed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf33g9ep4YU
November 20th, 2009 at 12:22 pmJeffy Bovine has gone onto his always predictable pattern of quoting without credit to the source.
Next, Bovine will be bit-chin about Keith Olbermann as he always does.
Go on Bovine.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:22 pmTTTC
I hope YOU die face down in the gutter with rats gnawing on your earlobes
November 20th, 2009 at 12:24 pmTTTC, for someone who thinks he is a smart guy, when are you going to wake up to the fact that you are not wanted here. You are a sad excuse for a human being, and we know you don’t give a rats ass about 9/11 families or anyone else for that matter. You proved yesterday how much you care about the plights of other people.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:24 pmTTTC says:
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obama and holder slapped all of the victims and their families of 9/11 in the face w/this unprecedented decision.
REAL Americans KNOW that Bush committed TREASON against the USA.
Of course, not YOU.
P.S. FU, you unamerikkan TRAITOR. May you get the same eternity as the Bushes, Cheneys, and TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan, now with his MASTER Satan.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:26 pmTTTC
molest children much?
November 20th, 2009 at 12:29 pmTTTC must be used to being around people who loathe him.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:32 pmSame name, you COXUCKER punk TRAITOR.
May you BURN for your SUPPORT of MURDERERS Bush and Cheney.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:32 pmTTTC is lonely now that his wife and kid left him after reading his posts about the six year old deaf girl. They woke up to see what a worthless human being he really is.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:33 pm卐 TTTC 卐
No mistake.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:34 pmTTTC, the human waste bucket, brings up Daniel Pearl, another person he doesn’t really give a shit about.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:37 pmAngel
I dont believe TTTC has a child. I dont believe he ever had a wife. I dont believe he has ever seen a woman naked unless you count the rubber one he keeps in the closet. He is far to vile and disgusting a sham of a human being for any decent human being to even stand his putrid presence much less get naked with him. His stupidity is a burden an all America. His foul existance makes all America weep. The world is a lesser place for the fact he exists in it.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:37 pmTTTC says:
you are sure good at following. You have not even come close to being able to show you are a real person. Instead of asking people if they change there names a lot you should try to answer questions asked.
And you really need to show more leadership to your son as he may turn out to be as ignorant as your self and well that would mean he would be a welfare baby.
have you ever served in the Military? legit question.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:38 pm.
A Nation that is “Tough on Terrorism” is a Nation that allows the mechanisms of it’s Justice System to work LEGALLY to bring terrorists and criminals to the Court of Tough Justice.
Cowards are those who suggest …
1) The current system is NOT good enough to try criminals
2) The prison system is NOT secure enough to hold criminals
3) The Rule of Law is NOT applicable when exercising Justice
.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:38 pmPsst, Jeffy Bovine, psssst… over here…
BIG BAD BLACK PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA UNDER YOUR BED!
Go change your diaper, Bovine.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:39 pmTTTC, you stand alone against everyone. even the bush admin which is a big task, even for you.
You think you matter, you don’t.
You think we care what you think, we don’t.
you think you know stuff, you don’t.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:39 pmTTTC
Has admitted to the rape and murder of several of his neighborhood children, or he will once he is waterboarded enough, he has PROVEN he is an ignorant pile of dogshit and a soulless, stupid, punkass troll without even a CONCEPT of decency. His very existance diminishes us all
November 20th, 2009 at 12:39 pmTTTC says:
In addition to the September 11 attacks, Sheikh Mohammed has claimed some 30 operations against the West, including the 2002 beheading in Pakistan of US journalist Daniel Pearl.
and your point is???
thats just shows another 30 reasons to try him and convict.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:39 pmTTTC
You have never led ANYONE except those kids you lead down to your basement. You are the stupidest pile of dogshit that ever existed. Your trailertrash whore of a mother cries every night that she wasted the opportunity to drown you at birth. Everyone who ever met you hates you and wishes you would just kill yourself. People vomit as soon as they see you even when they dont know who you are. Demons have more decency and maggots are both smarter and less disgusting than you. Shove it up your tarhole
November 20th, 2009 at 12:46 pmThey didn’t forget…they just they could score cheap political points with thier ‘conshituents’ who don’t bother to inform themselves…case in point: post # 91…
November 20th, 2009 at 12:46 pm91 Jeffy Bovine
So, your multiple boyfriends finally woke up and are out to whore up at the bus station looking for toe-tapping gNOpigs to get some speed money?
November 20th, 2009 at 12:46 pmBet a nickel that TTTC will be back either here or another thread.
Any takers?
November 20th, 2009 at 12:47 pmYou can’t lead anyone anywhere with your head buried in the sand.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:48 pm#92 Eugene
Come on, tell him what you really think!
/snark
November 20th, 2009 at 12:50 pmTTTC says:
Wel, I’m done leading you losers around by your beaks.
so we can add COWARD to your resume as well then, And I take it you never served your Country.
you could not lead your way out of a wet paper bag.
and if your brains were fuel you would not have enough fuel to power a pissants motorcycle to do a figurer eight in a cheerio hold.
have a nice day with the rest of your coward friends.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:52 pmI don’t think that’s where TTTC’s head is buried Fred…
November 20th, 2009 at 12:52 pm#70 TTTC says:
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… Because nothing says terrorist sympathiser like the above statement.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:52 pm#91 TTTC says:
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… Because nothing says gullible like a FOXPRAVDA Loyalist.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:59 pmThe repugs are sure scared of their own shadow. What happened to the big bad cowboys?
Looks as if y’all are riding the mechanical horsey outside of K-Mart.
November 20th, 2009 at 1:12 pmWhere most people have a billion neurons in their brains I’m convinced TTT didn’t hit 100 yet.
November 20th, 2009 at 1:14 pmLike Angel keeps telling him, no body wants you here.
Why? To parapharse Debs:
You are:
-a punk
-a moron
-a spoiled overgrown adult child (Adler?)
-a souless,selfish, porcine pos(Again apologies to all good pigs)
tony and lido
OMG that’s sand? I thought it was his a$$.
November 20th, 2009 at 1:16 pmGeorge says – Hehehe, what the heck, I planted those judges to do my bidding, me, the decidering guy, not what some old stupid piece of paper says, laws smaws, we don’t need no stinking laws, when has the law ever counted? Not while I was in office it didn’t, but if they put these guys on trial here, if just might come out how Dick and I were involved in 911 and that would suck big time, just might have to fly on down to South America or something. Dick said that we would not be touched by Obama for our War Crimes, I sure hope he’s right, I want to go down in History as the Greatest Presidential Decidering Guy ever. I like being free as a bird after murdering hundreds of thousands, torturing, lying, stealing, cheating, starting 2 wars that I never intended to finish, hell, it makes me giggle myself to sleep every night…what you think Dick?
Dick says – Shut it, moron, people aren’t supposed to know this stuff.
George says – You think the MSM is gonna give light to this? Not a chance.
Dick says – Hehehe, I know. Now get me fresh blood from cute kittens and puppies.
November 20th, 2009 at 1:45 pmWel, I’m done leading you losers around by your beaks.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:53 pm—
Probably wise of you to hit the road before I showed up….
TTTC, I have been waiting to ask you this…If your son was denied coverage by your insurance company, surely you will see the justice in this decision. After all insurance profits must trump life and the pursuit of happiness. I mean the six year old should consider herself lucky she’ll only be deaf. I mean what a small price to pay for the insurance company’s profits…
November 20th, 2009 at 3:47 pm