New Missouri billboard tells Americans to ‘prepare for war’ against the government.
By on Nov 20th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
New Missouri billboard tells Americans to ‘prepare for war’ against the government.
Fired Up! Missouri points out that the Lafayette County Republican Central Committee is highlighting a new billboard in the state with steps for a “citizens guide to revolution of a corrupt government“:
This billboard replaces one that warned that the socialist “Obama-Nation” is “coming for you.” It’s unclear who the owner of the billboard is, but the first one was the work of a “Missouri businessman.” (HT: Oliver Willis)
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Oh … my … God….
November 20th, 2009 at 1:49 pmAs a native Missourian, I can say I am totally ashamed and embarrased. My only saving grace is that I don’t live there any more.
November 20th, 2009 at 1:50 pmTraitorous and irresponsible.
November 20th, 2009 at 1:51 pmIsn’t Missouri the “Show Me State”, as in, We Can’t Think or Form an Honest Opinion On Our Own?
And when did threatening the US Government become acceptable in advertisement?
November 20th, 2009 at 1:52 pmLooks like the wingnuts new strategy is to spread fear and hate via billboards.
Dave Sirota had some auto dealer (what a frigging bigot and moron this guy was) on this morning. Check out the billboard this ahole put up (it’s to the right):
http://www.am760.net/pages/JayMarvin.html
Disgusting and racist as hell. These people will not be happy until our president is killed.
November 20th, 2009 at 1:53 pm#2 – Me too. I was born there, and I am really ashamed to say so.
November 20th, 2009 at 1:53 pmI’m all for free speech and whatnot
but
That definitely falls outside the notion of “protected speech”. It’s considered a crime to prod people towards armed insurrection. And just plain moronic to pay to put up a billboard to do so.
Whatever local/state agency approved this needs to be investigated.
November 20th, 2009 at 1:53 pmThese people need help. Serious help.
November 20th, 2009 at 1:54 pm.
… Because nothing says “Country First” like a REVOLUTION.
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November 20th, 2009 at 1:54 pmI think that Step 3 for the idiots who put up the message ought to be either “secede” or “emigrate”.
November 20th, 2009 at 1:55 pmEncouraging the overthrow of the government is one definition of treason…I don’t care how many “Don’t Tread on Me” flags you’re flying in front of this billboard, it’s treasonous and its owner/purchaser needs to be dealt with accordingly…
November 20th, 2009 at 1:55 pmUh, isn’t this treason?
Hello CIA?
CIA – Yes, this is the CIA
Have you seen that billboard in Missouri?
CIA – Yeah, we have an extensive file on that person. Don’t worry, he’ll commit suicide pretty soon.
What? How do you know that?
CIA – buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz click.
November 20th, 2009 at 1:55 pmCan you imagine the screaming and wailing if the shoe was on the other foot. We’re at war. Isn’t this the definition of “sedition?”
November 20th, 2009 at 1:55 pmIt appears Lafayette County has never been too comfortable with being a part of the United States. In 1860, a quarter of the population were slaves. And the majority of the residents backed the Confederacy.
Yee haw, that’s a hell of a legacy you’ve got there.
(btw, sourced from wikipedia…but too lazy to link it)
November 20th, 2009 at 1:56 pmThe protections given by Brandenburg v. Ohio only go so far. There’s some paper trail letting people know who this shadowy businessman is, and he needs to be called on it. That is irresponsible and as we’ve said about countless warning signs, somebody–quite possibly somebody important–is going to get hurt.
November 20th, 2009 at 1:56 pmTreason! Deport the sponsors out of the country!
November 20th, 2009 at 1:59 pmWhere is the logic leading to the conclusion that corrupt governments necessarily restrict freedom (”Live free or die”)?
November 20th, 2009 at 2:00 pmThat disgraceful billboard tops every single one of our anti-Bush teeshirts…
November 20th, 2009 at 2:00 pmI remember at Thanksgiving last year having a discussion with my family about what the Obama administration might bring. I said my biggest fear isn’t war or financial collapse, it was that Obama wouldn’t live to see re-election.
As each day passes, the fear grows. It’s really just a matter of time before some incredibly deranged person clinging to far-right ideology goes through with it.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:00 pmThis is more of the conservative strategy of screaming WWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH at the top of their lungs, throwing petulant hissy fit temper tantrums and hoping the American people will put them back in power just to shut them the FCUK up. They are like kids in the supermarket throwing a fit to get that candybar
November 20th, 2009 at 2:01 pmI say bring it on, let’s have another civil war and completely crush the old south mentality once and for all.
Where were the teabaggers when Bu$h handed trillions of dollars to billionaires in the form of tax cuts? Where were they when he lied about the war? When Halliburton/KBR, Blackwater, and the rest raped and pillaged out treasury? Illegal wiretapping? Allowing polluters to run the EPA? Credit companies to write credit card laws? Pharmaceutical and health insurance companies to regulate themselves?
I am really out of patience with these people, and I hope and pray that I do not come face to face with one of these types. I may not be able to contain myself and could do some serious bodily harm.
Like I said, we have to start fighting fire with fire. Are we going to let these lunatic teabaggers take this country over?
November 20th, 2009 at 2:02 pmWhat a coward…wouldn’t know a revolution if it came up and smacked him on his @ss…frighty whitey?
November 20th, 2009 at 2:02 pmunbelievable
check this billboard out that is in a Denver suburb
November 20th, 2009 at 2:03 pmdisgusting
this shadowy businessman is our current day charles lindburg. No less.
These people are traitors to America and at some point the moderate republicans will have to disavow them.
The sooner we can force that to happen the better.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:03 pm#19 – EnnuiDivine
Sorry – didn’t see your post – glad someone else saw this though and posted it
November 20th, 2009 at 2:04 pmbring ‘em on!
November 20th, 2009 at 2:09 pmwe’ll tidy up the gene pool.
Starve the Beast: As a democratic republic, we the people are the beast – the government is representative of us and our interests. Are you suggesting that we starve ourselves?
Vote Out Incumbents: What if the incumbents are representing our interests? Americans in your district voted them in – are you suggesting that they are stupid or do not know how to vote or are incapable of making decisions in their own interests?
November 20th, 2009 at 2:10 pmIsn’t this kind of thing illegal? Advocting violence AND threatening the Government? And if these people are so upset, why don’t they demand we bring home our soldiers and end the wars that are sucking us dry? Or the fact that Bush and Cheney let the energy and insurance companies bleed us over the last eight years? Or could it be that a BLACK President has them all worked up?
November 20th, 2009 at 2:10 pmHow long before some idiot (troll) comes on and blames ACORN for this treason?
November 20th, 2009 at 2:13 pmBuckie Boy says:
I agree with you however the CIA has nothing to do with domestic stuff thats up to the FBI,,,, so its should be FBI are you watching.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:14 pmEnnuiDivine says @ 19:
I hear ya. We can only hope that behind the scenes our government is doing something about this and keeping track of these bigots and hatemongers.
The fact the GOP is not forcefully calling these scumbags out and demanding they stop is as disturbing as these billboards themselves. They will bear the brunt of the responsibility should tragedy occur.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:14 pmThere isn’t going to be another Civil War. The south are a bunch of welfare states. They need the federal government. There is no slave economy to maintain. The most that could possibly happen is a few nuts with guns will possibly stage some kind of “action” and be crushed like the terrorists they are. One more time: the Civil War was not about “states’ rights.” It was wealthy southern businessmen trying to save a slave economy and convincing tools and fools that they should fight to preserve this as some sort of “heritage” or “states-rights” issue.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:15 pmjb@29, Yeah, Lord knows, to the Repugs ACORN is an evil entity that must be crushed. But BlackWater (or Xe), Halliburton and ALL the other government sponsered militias are just fine and dandy to them.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:16 pmwhen are those FEMA camps going to be ready?
not soon enough
November 20th, 2009 at 2:16 pmThis one is especially funny considering how many seats they lost, and why……don’t ya think?
November 20th, 2009 at 2:18 pm“Starving the beast, keep your money” means don’t pay your taxes. Go ahead, wingnuts, you do that. It’s worked out so well for everyone else that’s tried it. If Wesley Snipes can’t pull it off with his team of high-priced lawyers, good luck to Joe Beerbelly down south. Have fun in prison, losers.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:18 pmSo if this businessman is in the shadow is that cause he is a coward and can not back up his crap.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:18 pmYOU STARTED TWO WARS ALREADY!! DO YOU REALLY WANT ONE MORE – HERE AT HOME NO LESS!!!
I apologize for the inconvenience of the shouting but this one deserves it.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:19 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Storm is so good at equivalency that I think we should all ask him for change for a $20 bill. I bet we’d all make money.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:24 pmSTORM says:
good morning been a while your handlers let you out after your remediable training?
just asking cause you may want to go back and cry to them that it did not work.
all those post were not even close to be disgusting.
but thanks for playing.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:26 pmAnd yet, not one of them was inaccurate. Storm, if you’re going to make comparison between people, sticking up for the illiterate, coke-snorting alcoholic might not be the way you want to go.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:26 pmWow, I’m surprised the resident “Obama is an insert-illogical-insult-here” trolls haven’t come in yet. Something tells me if they did, some of them would end up being banned. :)
November 20th, 2009 at 2:27 pmFurthermore, not one of the ones you listed advocated armed insurrection, which is the big point being made here.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:27 pmGosh darn it, I spoke too soon. :(
November 20th, 2009 at 2:28 pmCorrupt government?
Where have you been? Corruption didn’t start in January or eight years before, for that matter. Why is it this sht always comes from the bottom-rung states, the states that need the most help?
Too stupid for their self-preservation.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:28 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
USN@42, But that’s the point. STORM doesn’t get it. That would require thought and logic, something trolls lack.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:30 pm.
Whoa, there’s a STORM blowin’.
Dear STORM,
Can you find a sign that promotes SEDITION?
Can you find a sign that promotes ASSAINATION?
Can you find a sign that promotes RACISM?
You can be a Loyal Palin and get back to us on that one, you bet’cha!
.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:31 pmInteresting how some handles, such as pastcaring or STORM, are indicative of one’s internal state…may I suggest changing yours to LEGION?
November 20th, 2009 at 2:31 pmOn second thought, I’m not asking Storm for change for a $20. He works for nickels and I don’t want to lug around that much change.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:31 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Up until a year ago, anyone who put up such inflammatory and seditious statements against the government would have been arrested at best, or extraordinarily renditioned to some secret prison at worst.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:33 pm“Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.”-Thomas Jefferson: Declaration of Independence, 1776.
Election November 2008
There some equivalency for you.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:33 pmhttp://reason.com/archives/2006/04/25/treason-of-the-clerks
A VA nurse in New Mexico wrote a letter to editors of several local Albuquerque newspapers accusing several Bush Administration officials of “criminal negligence,” essentially, and was investigated for sedition. She was represented by the ACLU and charges were dropped, eventually.
One would assume that if that is even grounds for an investigation (charges or no) that this would be as well. After all, this would likely fall under the jurisdiction of the Smith Act, one would think.
“The conspiracy provisions of the Smith Act and its provisions defining the substantive offenses have been upheld. An intent to cause the overthrow of the government by force and violence is an essential element of the offenses.”
Source
Apparently her mistake was signing her name and not being a rich male.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:33 pmFVNY
That is true ENOUGH. However there is already a mechanism that can be done PEACEFULLY. We dont have a dictatorship. We ELECT our government AND we dont send out deathsquads to stop protests. The right is just snivelling like PUNKS that the LOST. That their opinion is not the majority. They are throwing a hissy fit like petulant children that even THOUGH they lost they STILL dont get their way. It makes them a bunch of pathetic losers
November 20th, 2009 at 2:33 pmSHOW ME…you’ve got brains.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:33 pmhey stormie
You seem to think that someone pointing out that bush snorted coke is the same as calling for bloodshed.
Are you stupid? oh yeah, you are.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:34 pmThis billboard is a reflection of the conservative/teabagger disconnect from reality. They believe in a socialist conspiracy and they have a persecution complex. The second part of the disconnect is that these conservative/tabaggers believe they represent the majority and are entitled to run the country because Obama is not a legitimate president. I would posit the idea that this disconnect is heading for a collision with reality. If the radical right wing fails to gain any seats in Congress, these radicals will lose face and support with the followers.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:34 pmFVNY says: @47. What’s being destroyed? Other than unrestricted corporate excess bought at the expense of the people who work for them?
November 20th, 2009 at 2:34 pm“A citizens [sic] guide to REVOLUTION of [sic] a corrupt government. [sic]”
How do we know that Republicans created this sign? Lessee, missing apostrophe, wrong preposition, a period even though it’s not a complete sentence.
Make a patriot noise here! You coastal elites don’t speak Murkan.
Stupid inbreds.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:34 pmAll I can say to those people who put up those billboards is:
America!! Love it or leave it!!
November 20th, 2009 at 2:35 pmSTORMfront
You ignorant racist pile of garbage. Just STFU. Everyone is laughing at your stupidity, except those few trolls as stupid as you are.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:36 pmThe bill board is about 8 years to late. Now if only they had put it up during the Bush/Cheney Administration it might have helped stop the Recession. Now we see Obama has repaired the Stock Maket and working on jobs so the GOP is following the mission given by Limbaugh works. Yes the mission is working well as we hear Law Makers demand the US citizens get no Health Care, Unemployment coverage or any help with any major problems. Good news CEO Goldman Sachs apologized for the 8 years of stealing from the US taxpayers that his company did and said we should just move on. Well that’s until we get another Republican President then they will start stealing again. I know he hopes Sarah Palin is the next President of the USA, as the stealing will be much easier and Goldman Sachs will be able to clean out the US Treasury with no problems.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:36 pm“A world in arms and trampling on all those moral principles which have heretofore been deemed sacred in the intercourse between nations, could not suffer us to remain insensible of all agitation. During such a course of lawless violence, it was certainly wise to withdraw ourselves from all intercourse with the belligerent nations, to avoid its pernicious effects on manners and morals and the dangers it threatens to free governments, and to cultivate our own resources until our natural and progressive growth should leave us nothing to fear from foreign enterprise.” –Thomas Jefferson to Messrs. Bloodgood and Hammond, 1809. ME 12:317
November 20th, 2009 at 2:37 pmLadies and Gentlemen, STORM has left the Building! Or become a nasty little VDT we’ll all catch, one way or another, no more posts from them.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:37 pmOh great. Now we have a dumb troll and a ‘Philosophical’ one. I don’t know which one is worse.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:38 pm.
Dear FVNY,
STFU!!! Your cut and paste of Jefferson still does NOT fool us.
You still need to parse how the Founders were inconsistent in their use of “CITIZEN” and “ANY PERSON” in the 14th Amendment.
You can be a Loyal Palin and get back to us on that one, you bet’cha!
.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:38 pmFVNY says:
those are good quotes and you are right they are from the Declaration of Independence, 1776.
But remember thats a 10 years before the constitution was written. Which lays out the laws of the land.
And we elect our officials theses days not shoot them.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:38 pmI lived in Mo for 10 years. It looks like it even got nuttier since then (mid 80’s)
November 20th, 2009 at 2:38 pmThe nuttiest thing back then was Asscroft as governor.
And of course their nice neighbor, PsychoPhelps.
I see stemmy, oops, stormy, is warming up for the Friday night edition of AsTheTrollTurns.
tony and lido
psThey did have some good barbecue.
Except we are not too that point. You only want to say we are because you can’t win fair and square.
Remember, elections have consequences.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:39 pm“I deplore… the putrid state into which our newspapers have passed and the malignity, the vulgarity, and mendacious spirit of those who write for them… These ordures are rapidly depraving the public taste and lessening its relish for sound food. As vehicles of information and a curb on our funtionaries, they have rendered themselves useless by forfeiting all title to belief… This has, in a great degree, been produced by the violence and malignity of party spirit.” –Thomas Jefferson to Walter Jones, 1814
November 20th, 2009 at 2:39 pmGretchen Carlson is correct…
Conservatives are always slammed the most…
November 20th, 2009 at 2:40 pmA classic example of freedumb of speech.
Oh, and sedition, and treason, you betcha.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:42 pm.
If Cindi Sheehan can get thrown out and arrested at a SOTU speech just for having numbers of dead US soldiers on her T-shirt…
… Then how is this billboard NOT any worse?
Maybe the (R)epublitrolls can parse it for us.
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November 20th, 2009 at 2:43 pmY’know, all I’m hearing when FNVY is quoting is “WAAAH! BLACK MAN BAD! BLACK MAN BAD!! WE’RE LOSING THE COUNTRY TO BLACK MAN WAAAAAAAH!! SCARY MAKE IT GO AWAAAAAAY!!!”
Because somehow Barack Obama being elected as their nation’s leader by a majority of the nation’s people so he can fix our system alongside Congress, is exactly the same as King George III and his parliament refusing to allow colonists any representation whatsoever over their taxation even after repeated attempts to try and negotiate a truce before the American revolution.
To put it as mildly as I can, FNVY, you fail American history, so get bent.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:43 pm“Prepare for War”?!
As if the constant threats about “the blood of patriots” and “we came unarmed THIS TIME” this summer weren’t clear enough? The funny thing is, most people on the Left realized the far-right fringers were dangerous years ago, this sort of threat isn’t new to anyone whose lived through the past eight years of the Cheney/Bush administration.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:44 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
@78. Simple, purge the GOP.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:45 pmI currently live in Missouri, and I see this attitude daily.
Unfortunately, I think that there is a civil war brewing, and it is being fostered by the bigots and hate mongers like the people responsible for this sign. The MSM and large corporations are equally at fault for giving these wing-nuts a platform to spew their hatred.
If the Democrats keep their majorities, or increase them, in both houses of Congress, then I think there will be violence from the far right. At least that I what I am seeing here in Missouri.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:45 pmSPERM says:
Hey, I now how to use google and…
SQUIRREL
(By the way, in the provided link, I think we all can relate. The trolls (aka SPERM) come out swinging, with no connection, then get pounced)
November 20th, 2009 at 2:46 pmWith the upcoming 2010 election cycle in sight, let’s make copies of this billboard and have every candidate comment on their support or opposal to this meme.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:47 pmNone of these yahoos is gonna do a god damned thing but piss and moan.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:47 pmKnock it off Ken. Where were you when Bush and his cronies screwed everything up? NOW it’s all Obama’s fault? I guess it’s easier to blame the BLACK, DEMOCRATIC President instead of Bush, huh? Typical troll.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:48 pmKenneth says:
How else can you deal with a corrupt government?
You have had a lesson on how to deal with corrupt governments at the last election. We voted out the old Cheney administration and its followers and voted in a new government.
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LIVE FREE OR DIE? Isn’t that that same shit NH claims to stand by?
November 20th, 2009 at 2:48 pmKenny ~ see Jefferson, William. Sentenced to 13 years.
Now STFU.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:49 pmFVNY
November 20th, 2009 at 2:49 pmDo you think the Libertarian part will find a real presidential candidate next time around?
Kenneth you IGNORANT ASSCLOWN. You are too brainwashed to be taken seriously. What can we do about the stupidest people on the planet like you CLEARLY are coming in here and regurgitating the stupidity they were TOLD to think even though it is mostly LIES? We get that you dont CARE you are a liar, that you get sheer joy out of lying, so just STFU and let the adults talk
What you can do about the government you dont like is WIN AN ELECTION you pathetic loser until you do stop your whining.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:50 pmWhen you spew “corrupt”, you do mean a government who ignored the massive warning signs of an impeding terrorists attack, who misled us into military action that had nothing to do with said attack, who tortured combatants, who secured that no United States citizen would have privacy, and who outed a covert CIA agent, all the while making an obscene profit for the 1%?
Or
Are you just a mucking foron?
November 20th, 2009 at 2:50 pmdbad283, Just the other day at the hearing with Holder. Cheney, Rove and ALL the wing-nuts twittered their supporters to turn out and make a scene, it was an EPIC fail. So I agree with you. All these guys just piss and moan.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:51 pmWe almost have the worst offenders out of government and we are working on the rest of them.
Corrution has been reduced by 1/2 since Janurary 08.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:51 pmFVNY
We know about your naive libertarian bilge. Notice you are FRINGE. Keep dreaming of the day you are taken seriously. When that day comes get back to me.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:53 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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Dear FVNY,
Your ignorance is NOT an excuse to avoid answering my question as to how YOU think the Founders got it wrong. You’re quick to cut and paste their work yet are seemingly the first to misuse what they wrote for your political biases.
If you can’t distinguish between a “CITIZEN” and “ANY PERSON” then maybe you should study more and parrot less.
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November 20th, 2009 at 2:54 pmAnd the stark reality is:
That if any of these pathetic teabaggers ever faced down a US soldier or marine with semi automatic weapons, they’d have yellow and brown undies post haste.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:54 pmI’d like to see the GOP really embrace libertarianism the way they claim to. I’d like to see more fiscal convservatism and social liberalism.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:55 pm-
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So since you aren’t a hypocrite I assume you don’t vote at all.
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Awe come on FVNY…
… I know you’re a Maoist at heart, NO?
I mean, the Republic of China are Republicans, YES?
.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:55 pmBy the way FVNY
That fringe comment wasnt meant to be perjorative. I am fringe too. WAY far to the left. I know it. The thing is I ACCEPT it. If I cant convince enough Americans to do things my way then thats what it is.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:55 pmKenneth says:
How else can you deal with a corrupt government?
I see you need to attend the same class as storm and the rest of your toll family.
But i am sure your handlers be able to get you connected to there troll remedial training class’s, I understand that you dont have to come out from under your bridge either.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:56 pmbottom line, you didn’t listen to us when you were getting us in this mess. Where do you get the arrogance to imply that you have answers?
November 20th, 2009 at 2:56 pmVoted Ken up so people could have the pleasure of voting him down again.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:58 pmFred
GOOD ONE, thats gotta leave a mark
November 20th, 2009 at 2:58 pmKenneth is ignorant and brainwashed. We would have a better chance of getting a cogent argument out of a dustmite
November 20th, 2009 at 2:59 pmI suppose that President Obama’s plan to indefinitely hold some of the Gitmo prisoners without any charge or any trial would not bother teabaggers or Republicans, but it does concern anyone who believes in the rule of law. We have had the right of habeas corpus since our Constitution was written. The English have had the right of habeas corpus since 1215 AD, when some nobles forced King John to sign on to that right.
President Obama seems to be following in the footsteps of Tyrant Bush in this matter. Haven’t these poor Afghan peasants, who basically rounded up and sold into slavery by our buddy warlords, suffered enough? Let them return home. And get the imperial US occupiers out of that benighted country. Let the Afghan people sort out their own destiny without benefit of foreign busybodies.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:00 pmThey’re only making a fuss for liberty, the most important thing to the founders. It’s funny.
‘It’s time to stand up and fight for Liberal Values. Freedom = Liberty!
November 20th, 2009 at 3:01 pmThanks Eugene, fvny(aaronk) thinks he can talk around the obvious.
I get tired of it.
aaronk, you still owe me a grand you liar and cheater.
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FVNY says:
bottom line, you didn’t listen to us when you were getting us in this mess. Where do you get the arrogance to imply that you have answers?
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Don’t blame me. I didn’t vote Republican in the last two election cycles. I try to practice what I preach.
So if you did not vote in the last elections, then you really have no leg to stand don and bring up a argument.
Just saying.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:08 pmSo if a corporation or wealthy underwriter is behind this then what?
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FVNY
You didnt EXPLAIN anything. Your argument is stupid beyond beleif. They used CITIZEN in the first part because they meant CITIZEN, they used person in the second because they meant PERSON. That is not only simple it is OBVIOUS. You are twisting logic parsecs beyond the breaking point. It is plainly ignorant to say the writers of the fourteenth amendment just couldnt tell the difference between the terms citizen and person.
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Yes you did.
When you complain about one presidents situation and it is the result of actions by another president and the only difference is that the one you complain about is black then you expose your latent or subdued racism.
nuance, look it up.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:14 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Someone should tell KennyBoy this isn’t the six degrees of Bacon game.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:18 pmWhat the hell has Murtha got to do with anything?
Try and stay focused.
tony and lido
FVNY
Stop being ridiculous. They DEFINED CITIZEN then said the rights of PERSONS could not be abridged. If they had MEANT citizen they would have SAID citizen. The people who write these things are constitutuional scholars and you act like they made a mistake that would get them marked down if they made it in an 8th grade civics class. It doesnt come close to making sense
November 20th, 2009 at 3:18 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
FVNY says:
So if you did not vote in the last elections, then you really have no leg to stand don and bring up a argument.
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So the 1st amendment doesn’t apply to me?
Well I am not the government so 1st amendment has nothing to do with it.
I mean if you dont vote to change things then yes you dont have much of a leg to stand on. if you voted and your side lost then you can cry away.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:21 pmFVNY
notice also that in the Bill of rights they refer to PERSONS and not citizens. This difference is SPECIFIC and well understood.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:21 pmFVNY says: nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law
I feel that the definition of “citizen” in the first sentence acts a a qualifier, thereby modifying the meaning of “person” in the last sentence
So, you think that a governor or President Obama has the right to just seize the U.S. property of a non-citizen. It’s too bad Rupert Murdoch got his citizenship.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:21 pmHave the Military at the ready (they can defend American soil, just that they are not allowed to police it), no need for Martial Law here. Just bring in the National Guard and rout out these domestic terrorists. Oh, and let me know where to sign up!
I love my Country and support my popularly elected President!We have soldiers defending our country on foreign soil at this time. Let those who are disgruntled have their say, but not threaten our Democracy at the point of a gun, not with out retailiation. Let them Love It, or Leave It! I hear the Ayatolla is looking for a few bad men.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:22 pmhere dumbass. Please note the seriousness of the crimes:
republican offenders
The number is also staggering……sucks to be a republican.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:22 pmI’ve seen flat out absolute racism posted by you trolls. Comments that you’d see on Stormfront. Disgusting stuff.
Now since there’s only a few of you, using multiple sockpuppets, all desperately trying to insult the regulars, so making racist comments doesn’t seem like much of a jump for “Kenneth.” Or you for that matter, “FVNY.”
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What do you know of fair?
Besides if you weren’t such a nit wit you know that I made the connection and it’s indisputable.
Is planting the seeds of doubt your only chance at viablility in the world?
Isn’t pinning your only chance of success on the failure of others pretty weak? Be fair!
November 20th, 2009 at 3:26 pmFVNY says:
I’d like to see the GOP really embrace libertarianism the way they claim to. I’d like to see more fiscal convservatism and social liberalism. The GOP is the opposite at this point. They’re big government spenders and they try to legislate morality.
I regret to inform you that economic libertarianism died last year when the stock market tanked, Greenspan admitted his economic theories were flawed and Bernie Madoff was arrested. Reaganomics is dead and buried. Libertarians and Republicans are trying to hold onto a dead economic philosophy. No Secretary of the Treasury or economists are going to recommend we try the less government and more tax cuts again.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:27 pmFVNY
We argue about interpretations because it was specifically written in broad principles. Arguing interpretations is one thing. CHANGING WORDS TO MEAN WHAT YOU WANT THEM TOO, in order to make your argument is a completely different kettle of fish
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conservative guy is exactly the type I refer to in #83…
November 20th, 2009 at 3:28 pmconservative guy says:
think cg, think. Try cg, try. You can do it. Think for yourself and be a man.
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ConservaTROLL
Except there ARENT any tyrants so again you just show what an ignorant pile of dogshit you are. Dont you ever get tired of being so unbelievably STUPID?
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#34–Never mind that Hitler violated the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and invaded the USSR in violation of the treaty, leading the USSR to align itself with America and its’ other allies in WWII. I know Stalin got immense pleasure when the Soviets marched triumphantly into Berlin. Hitler was quaking in his boots to the point that he and Braun committed suicide so that they wouldn’t have to face the Soviets.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:30 pmFVNY
Then why are YOU trying to change its very WORDING in order to make such a patently weak argument?
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interesting
billboard atacking the government = freedom of speech
Atheist billboard saying that atheists exists = Evil, must be taken down.
Once again they prove they do not hate freedom. They hate the freedom of anyone but themselves.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:31 pmDie Libs….
November 20th, 2009 at 3:31 pm— Interesting comment. Wanna discuss it?
LiberalSUCKINGcoward.
I hope YOU die, face down in the gutter with maggots eating your flesh, dogs dining on your organs and rats gnawing on your FACE
November 20th, 2009 at 3:32 pmWhat can I tell ya, FVNY? You troll blue blogs in the hopes of negative attention. You struggle not to shoot your fellow Americans. These are significant mental problems. So is racism.
I don’t see any reason for anyone to take you at your word.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:32 pmYou know, that horrible document you hate so much?
November 20th, 2009 at 3:32 pm—
Wasn’t it W that referrred to it in such derogatory terms?
–Excuse me–wrong story. I left to google something, used the back button and ended up in the wrong place.
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EugeneDebs says:
This is more of the conservative strategy of screaming WWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH at the top of their lungs, throwing petulant hissy fit temper tantrums and hoping the American people will put them back in power just to shut them the FCUK up. They are like kids in the supermarket throwing a fit to get that candybar
It’s just those kids have guns and ammo and might be willing to use it with enough demagoguery from the usual suspects…
November 20th, 2009 at 3:35 pmWe’re shooting the messenger, LS. Olby Sucks would have wanted it that way.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:36 pmLiberalSlayer says: Die Libs
Sure, eventually.
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Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.”
-Thomas Jefferson: Declaration of Independence, 1776.
You should have uttered it during the last administration…now it just means you espouse IOKIYAR…
November 20th, 2009 at 3:37 pmLiberalSUCKINGcoward
Just go kill yourself you worthless, ignorant pile of dogshit. Nothing you do here will ease the misery of your pathetic life. No one likes you, no one respects you and no one ever will. Your trailertrash whore of a mother rues the day she missed the opportunity to drown you at birth. Even your parents didnt like you, they couldnt. You are such a miserable loser, so stupid and pathetic they left you at a bus station when they could no longer live with the fact they had brought your putrid presence into the world, and they couldnt bring themselves to burry you in the backyard. It was an act of kindness so you could get a headstart on your career of blowing crackheads for pocketchange. Just kill yourself. Save yourself from further misery and save everyone else from the torture of being anywhere near you. Save them from puking everytime they see you. Give the world the only gift a miserable stupid loser like you could ever give it. Make it a better place by ending your pathetic existance
November 20th, 2009 at 3:37 pmLiberalSlayer says:
I love how the liberal twats voted down #47, which was a direct quote from the Declaration of Independence. You know, that horrible document you hate so much?
Liberals LOVE the US Constitution. The one that TRAITOR Bush called a “goddamned piece of paper”. THAT one.
That’s why we voted out those TRAITORS Bush, Cheney and McPalin.
REAL Americans KNOW this.
Of course, NOT
November 20th, 2009 at 3:38 pmTREASONOUS unamerikkkan COXUCKER punks like YOU.
FVNY says:
We argue about interpretations because it was specifically written in broad principles. Arguing interpretations is one thing. CHANGING WORDS TO MEAN WHAT YOU WANT THEM TOO, in order to make your argument is a completely different kettle of fish
Hmmmm, interesting point. Why don’t you tell that to Conservapedia’s Bible Project…
November 20th, 2009 at 3:38 pmMissouri loves the federal tax money they receive, as they collect more than a dollar and a quarter in federal spending for every dollar they pay in federal taxes, and I haven’t heard about them turning away any Recovery Act money. That means that among the states, Missouri is sort of a welfare queen. How do the Missouri Republicans expect to fund an expensive war against the United States?
Are they planning some sort of low intensity warfare? An insurgency to return this nation to the 1700’s?
Here’s a couple of hints for your planners.
1. All those crackers who are telling you that they have your back with their semi-auto AR15 knockoffs, probably won’t have your back when an Apache helicopter with rockets and a 20mm cannon floats up over the horizon.
2.All of those corporate sociopaths who are happy to spring for buses and signs for you to teabag the night away are going to dry up the money river when you get stupid enough to start shooting. In their view, foreign wars are good because they’re profitable. Domestic warfare is bad because it’s bad for business.
Let’s review. Buses and signs can be made available. Weapons and ammo, you’re on your own, Cletus. Your thousand round ammo stash looks one hell of a lot more impressive in your bedroom than it does in a war zone, and the tax money that the government stops sending you secessionist fools will buy a lot more than that.
Just a thought, since you obviously have yet to generate one.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:38 pmFVNY says:
” …so you have to assume that they meant person.”
No one has to assume anything.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:38 pmAssumption is not rational, and rarely ever a good practice.
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Slayer was a lame ass band as well. Must be something about that name….
November 20th, 2009 at 3:39 pmLiberal Slayer:
November 20th, 2009 at 3:40 pmI think you are a fraud seeking attention….
LiberalSlayer says:
Die Libs.
The difference is, when YOU DIE, you will join the TREASONOUS Bushes, Cheneys and all the REST of those TRAITORS.
Along with TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan and his MASTER Satan.
Soon, all REAL Americans hope.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:40 pmWe voted down the idiot’s interpretation of what it means.
The lack of intelligence that you display explains why you are failures and out of power.
nuance, look it up.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:40 pmFaning these flames is not at all funny. There is a tremendous anti-govt sentiment in the area.
Lafayette County, MO is just east of Kansas City – outside the citified area – you know, as in the Kansas City Bomber. And this was before America had the nerve to elect a non-white.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:40 pmFVNY
NO I dont have to ASSUME they meant persons for the simple reason they WROTE persons. YOU have to assume they made a mistake too stupid for a jr high kid and it got all the way THROUGH the process with no one correcting it and they MEANT something other than what they SAID in order for your baseless assertion to make any sense at all. The assumption here isnt MINE, its YOURS and it is an assumption that is ludicrous on the face of it.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:41 pmOops “LiberalSlayer”
November 20th, 2009 at 3:41 pmSorry even posers deserve to have their names spelled the way the wish.
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Hopefully, Dick Cheney the TRAITOR will DROP DEAD soon.
And that AWOL coward Bush, as well.
FACE-FIRST into CONCRETE.
WHAM!!
Then onto afterlife with TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan and their MASTER Satan.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:42 pmLibs cannot process much information.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:42 pm—
Wanna cut the pretend bullshit and have a discussion about a topic?
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LiberalSUCKINGcoward
Poor little pile of dogshit. Your first comment is telling us to die then you snivel like the ignorant punk you are that I treat you the way you treat us. Just kill yourself you putrid pile of dogshit. Everyone who has ever met you wants you to die a horrible death. Even your sister/wife cries every night from the fact you exist at all. You disgust any being with a soul. Just STFU and kill yourself in whatever order you think best
November 20th, 2009 at 3:43 pmFVNY says:
I disagree. Tax cuts for the people aren’t inherently bad. Tax cuts while borrowing money, printing money, and spending money is a recipe for disaster.
Tax cuts which lead to government programs being underfunded or eliminated lead to tainted food and Bernie Madoff. Cutting taxes would not have avoided last years stock market crash. The smaller government did not or could not do its job of regulating the abuses created by your so called “libertarianism.” Also, tax cuts for the wealthy rather than the middle class and the unfunded wars created this huge deficit. Our tax rates are too low for the wealthiest 5% of the US.
Conservatives voted for GWB. You get what you vote for-a totally incompetent man who wrecked the US economy with tax cuts and the wars. Complaining about the deficit now is not well taken since there was little of it when Bush was racking up the deficit. Obama is being forced to take economic actions for a situation created by your tax cut/small government libertarianism. As I previously stated, this philosophy is dead and the only proven remedy for the economy is government spending to increase ala Roosevelt and the New Deal.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:44 pmLiberalSlayer says:
Project, much?
November 20th, 2009 at 3:44 pmAnd you might as well can the Bush crap – I hated Bush.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:44 pm—
Maybe if we start by having you explain who you supported in the last let’s say 6 election cycles we will get a better sense of your ideas as to politics at the national level….
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FVNY, the problem you’re having is that you WANT the Constitution to give you permission to not try terror suspects in US courts. But by saying that all the rights included in the 14th Amendment are for citizens only, you would have to say that our government also has the right to seize property owned by non-citizens, randomly imprison non-citizens visiting the US, and kill a non-citizen without due process. The more logical interpretation is that the 14th Amendment means exactly what it says: that there are citizen’s rights which must be respected for anyone born in the US and that there are general rights of personhood which must also be respected. Your recent posts have been less inflammatory and more thoughtful. Why don’t you just complete the process and quit trying to be disruptive for its own sake?
November 20th, 2009 at 3:46 pmThe Founders warned us about governments like the Bush and Obama adminstrations.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:46 pm—–
Did they write it on a piece of paper and fold it up into a little triangle and have that geeky guy in geometry class pass it to us?
No LiberalSUCKINGcoward he hates un-American, self loathing punkass trolls like YOU. In that he shares the sentiment of all decent human beings. Just kill yourelf. End YOUR misery and all the misery you bring to the entire world
November 20th, 2009 at 3:46 pmThe poor TREASONOUS RapePublics.
Soon, they will be BURNING for ETERNITY with TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan, and their MASTER Satan.
They HATE America SO MUCH that they would DESTROY it before letting REAL Americans run it.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
November 20th, 2009 at 3:47 pmdbadass, its impossible to have a rational conversation with a Lib. Its like arguing with the mentally deranged guy pushing a shopping cart through Central Park. One who hates freedom and loves big, corrupt government
November 20th, 2009 at 3:48 pm—
So to solve the problem of being incapable of having a discussion about a topic with me you are going to offer this? You do realize that this makes you look like an even bigger pos pussy poser don’t you? Is that really how you wish to come off to the readers?
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Yes, the first step is to claim that any political philosophy but your own is mental derangement.
The second step is to dehumanize us.
The third step is to work up the courage to murder us.
I’ve seen this playbook before.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:49 pmLiberalSUCKINGcoward
It is impossible for YOU to have a rational discussion at ALL. You are the stupidest carbon based lifeform that exists. You are FAR too stupid to have any discussion with a lib. You dont WANT one. No one that wants a discussion opens it by telling people to die. You are an attention whore because everyone alive hates your guts. You DESERVE that hatred because of the miserable ignorant pile of dogshit you are. Just kill yourself. Do the world a favor. The world will just flat out smell sweeter for the fact you no longer exist in it
November 20th, 2009 at 3:49 pmFreedom of speech protects this sign, just as much as your ability to protest it. As Americans it is our responcibility to continue to allow all of the rights that we have as they are a gift that was given to us by those who started this country. Opinions differ from person to person, but the great thing about this country is we are able to debate, talk and advertise our beliefs unrestricted.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:49 pmLiberalSlayer,
If you want a rational discussion, I’m all ears.
Start us off.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:49 pmFreedom of speech protects this sign, just as much as your ability to protest it. As Americans it is our responsibility to continue to allow all of the rights that we have as they are a gift that was given to us by those who started this country. Opinions differ from person to person, but the great thing about this country is we are able to debate, talk and advertise our beliefs unrestricted.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:49 pmObviously you know nothing about libertarians
November 20th, 2009 at 3:50 pm— Why don’t you tell me about what they are? Is Bob Barr one?
LiberalSlayer says:
dbadass, its impossible to have a rational conversation with a Lib. Its like arguing with the mentally deranged guy pushing a shopping cart through Central Park. One who hates freedom and loves big, corrupt government.
I happen to be quite liberal and my posts are not only rational, they are intelligent. Feel free to have a rational conversation with me, but please do not keep repeating your stupid mantras about big, corrupt government. Those mantras do not take the place of a rational conversation.
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Master
Freedom of speech probably protects the sign. There may be an argumen it is inciting a riot but sure I will give you that. It also however protects OUR right to criticize it.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:53 pmThis makes me laugh every time and I know it offends you because you are getting caught in a lie.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:53 pmi fully support them in their efforts to “starve the beast”. let them stop paying their taxes and lock their asses up for tax evasion like the terrorists they are. it worked in getting al capone of the streets…
November 20th, 2009 at 3:53 pmCut the crap you have never slayed anything and you are utterly full of shit. I suggest getting it together and settling into an intelligent conversation before I begin pummelling you lame pretend attention seeker ass….
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Isn’t this an extreme temper tantrum the party of NO are acting out?
I know they are threatened by a Dem win with health care… and let us not forget the trials coming up giving Obama another win not to mention a possible huge threat over new evidence.
Didn’t the civil war begin by idiots as this?
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FVNY:
November 20th, 2009 at 3:55 pmDoes it bug you when attention seeking posers come in here and make guys like you look bad? For real LiberalSlayer is an embarassment to your cause are they not. I mean their words so obviously betray their insincerity to the cause do they not?
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Hang Bush and Cheney for TREASON (after TRIAL, of course)!
Then BURN their EFFIGIES next to them….
November 20th, 2009 at 3:56 pmLiberalSUCKINGcoward
You have the misfortune of existing at ALL as the miserable incredibly stupid, loser you are. You inflict that misery on as many people as possible because you are SO miserable and such an attention whore, since everyone hates ignorant miserable punks like you, that you only GET joy from the misery of others. Fortunatly that misfortune is NOT without a solution. Just kill yourself. You drag down both the IQ and decency level of the entire species just by existing so do the right thing. The world will be a better place as soon as you take your pathetic self out of it
November 20th, 2009 at 3:56 pmDidn’t work so well originally, if it did we’d still be England…
November 20th, 2009 at 3:57 pmI’m not trying to be disruptive.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:57 pm—
Do you think LiberalSlayer is?
We’re waiting for you to start your civilized discussion, Liberal Slayer.
If you please.
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Unfortunaly for YOU FVNY the constitution DOESNT agree with you and it never has. That is why you are trying to change what is says AS IF that will give you an excuse to say what you WANT TO THINK is rational
November 20th, 2009 at 3:57 pmsoo, liberal slayer expects us to feel bad that he’s still living in “libville” in mommy’s basement and can’t afford his dream rental trailer in rural georgia?
tough tittie, troll
November 20th, 2009 at 3:57 pmAnd the question is, why?
Where did you get this ridiculous notion? Could it have come to you across the tv from rush?
Cause there is no presedent or logic to your statement.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:58 pmI would say that he is not. His support of the Same Sex Marriage Act, the Patriot Act and the Iraq War would leave me to believe he’s your typical Republican pretending he’s a libertarian.
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November 20th, 2009 at 3:58 pmSo if it isn’t the Libertarian Party, the GOP, or the Democratic Party who speaks for all these libertarians?
LiberalSUCKINGcoward
Yeah we know you WISH liberals were weak and would just take your abuse without returning it. That is because you are a coward. Just kill yourself. Do the right thing. Every decent human being that exists wants you to just kill yourself and take your putrid stench with you
November 20th, 2009 at 3:58 pmKenneth
connection FINE. You STUPID
November 20th, 2009 at 3:59 pmRationalism and Liberalism are diametrically opposed
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Why do I get the feeling you will not be offering any support for this thesis? Is it because you are a pos attention seeking fraud? I never liked little kids that got off on dicking around on daddy’s cb radio….
dbadass says:
“So if it isn’t the Libertarian Party, the GOP, or the Democratic Party who speaks for all these libertarians?”
apparently, the head liberatarian in charge…boo-hoo glenda becky.
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You sayin it doesn’t make it true. For instance, I can say that you are a child molester and it’s just as true.
Your defenses are inadequate.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:00 pmlet’s start with an easy question,
November 20th, 2009 at 4:02 pmliberal swallower, does the first amendment protect you from an incitement charge?
Eugene does not speak for every liberal, LiberalSlayer.
Please. Broaden your mind and let’s be rational. It requires both parties to open their minds. If you won’t, you can’t expect others to.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:02 pmI think LiberalSlayer has made some really good points
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Could you do me a solid and cut and paste LiberalSlayer’s words that you think are very good points. Not your translation of those words just the actual words. Thanks. I think that would be helpful in advancing the dialogue.
LiberalSUCKINGcoward
Of course they arent. You are just FAR TOO STUPID to even know what either term means. You cant alleviate the misery of your life telling lies here. Just kill yourself. It is the only solution. The misery will only end when you kill yourself. Your lonliness will never end, it will go on, no decent human being will ever voluntarily subject themselves to the torture of being in your presence. There is only one right thing to do here and you KNOW what it is.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:03 pmFVNY says:
“I know because as a lone right wing voice, I felt that way before too”
better get used to that feeling mr. 20%er and quickly falling
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TREASONOUS liars can post ANYTHING THEY WANT at “redstate” or “‘free’ rapePublic” and not get called on their LIES.
People HERE deal in FACTS.
REAL Americans KNOW this.
Of course, NOT “lib slayer” (a frequent poster on the rightwing nutjob site Politico).
November 20th, 2009 at 4:04 pmRepugs are a vile group and the trollshit proves it.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:04 pmLiberalSUCKINGcoward
Tantrums? My GOD you are stupid. I am laughing myself silly at your stupidity. I just LOVE to laugh at morons as stupid as you.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:05 pmdbadass says:
Slayer was a lame ass band as well. Must be something about that name…
LOL>>> wear they not a Christan band as well? or was that striper (or something like that)
November 20th, 2009 at 4:05 pmLiberalSlayer,
You seem to be all over this thread but with no real opinion on the topic.
Do you have an opinion or are you doing what the party of NO only knows what to do – lie, disrupt and divert from the truth?
If I missed a post of your opinion , please direct me to it.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:06 pmFVNY
FOAD
LiberalSUCKINGcoward isnt making any points. He isnt even TRYING to his first post was telling us to die. He isnt defensive he is an attention seeking whore troll here ONLY to push our buttons. Your post was one of the most ignorant I have ever seen and THAT is a pretty high bar
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liberal swallower
“I never feel backed into a corner by liberals. They are weak-minded, self-important jack-asses with a moral superiority complex”
sounds like one of those little retarded kids who walk screaming i’m special in a constant effort to validate themselves.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:06 pmIts impossible to have any dialogue of substance with them because they have a warped view of reality.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:07 pm—
Wanna explain then why you are here. I mean we both know as do all that are reading that you are completely fll of shit and are just acting out on the “daddy’s cb radio” syndrome but still it might be fun to hear your made up explaination. Slayer my ass. You can’t even handle a simple discussion. I am embarassed for you….
So who is it in your family that you’re acting out against? Dad? Or Mom?
Have you considered getting some actual therapy instead of trolling?
November 20th, 2009 at 4:08 pmThey are weak-minded
November 20th, 2009 at 4:09 pm— Than it would be super easy to “slay” one in a debate would it not? Sucks to be scared doesn’t it….
Repugs suffer from low self-esteem. Repugs make up for it by creating an illusory world to live in. Shrub Bush is exhibit A.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:09 pmLiberalSUCKINGcoward
Of course you arent backed into a corner, except the dismal dark corner of your miserable existance. After that misery nothing could be worse. End it. Kill yourself. You know you want to. You are tired of seeing people puke when they see you. You are tired of that look of pity you see continually on their faces. You are stupid and pathetic and you will ALWAYS be stupid and pathetic. Hit the reset button just kill yourself and for the first time in your life do something decent human beings will be greatful for
November 20th, 2009 at 4:09 pmYou can call us names all day and prove to us that you can’t have a rational discussion with us, LiberalSlayer…
…or we can have a rational discussion.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:10 pmLiberalSlayer says:
Your last few posts prove you are incapable of conducting a rational conversation. You have opinions and conclusions and you are unable to articulate an intelligent reasoning for those.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:11 pmSo, “lib slayer”….\
1. WHY did Bush and Cheney (and their miniosn like Armitage, Libby and Rove)
expose a CIA spy and her SECRET CIA COMPANY watching WMD’s?
2. Allow the Bin Ladens to FLY OUT OF HOUSTON on 9/12, when all OTHER air traffic was GROUNDED?
TREASON is the Bushes, Cheneys and unamerikkkan TRAITORS like YOU.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:12 pmREALLY PURPLESTATE? Do you actually believe that someone whose first post was libs DIE has any interest whatsoever in a rational discussion? I love an optimist but you are making Dr Pangloss shake his head here
November 20th, 2009 at 4:12 pmFor real FVNY:
November 20th, 2009 at 4:13 pmDon’t you think the LiberalSlayers of the world hurt your cause?
Trollspotter says:So who is it in your family that you’re acting out against? Dad? Or Mom?
Have you considered getting some actual therapy instead of trolling?
He would but they told him it was a per exciting conduction and the best they could do is give him and the rest of the trolls this web site for help.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:13 pmLiberalSUCKINGcoward was driven insane by all the other kids on the shortbus lauging at him and making fun of what a stupid, pathetic loser he is. Now his pathetic existance has devloved into trying to make others as miserable as he is. The day will finally come when he will realize that no one else is as pathetic and stupid as he is and no one else will ever be as miserable as he is. That will be a sad day for my compassionate liberal heart. It surely will be a fate worse than death and it is CLEARLY his sad fate
November 20th, 2009 at 4:15 pmncbrickhome says:2. Allow the Bin Ladens to FLY OUT OF HOUSTON on 9/12, when all OTHER air traffic was GROUNDED?
smiles so know i really understand beckerheads 9/12 project it was the flight of the bin-ladens,
November 20th, 2009 at 4:16 pmWe love you too. So, why exactly are you here?
Going to profess to “have the truth”? or some other such ridiculous notion?
Honestly, where do you get the arrogance to pretend to have answers after you just fell flat on your faces?
I wouldn’t try to destroy your confidence but it should be based on something that resempbles “reality” as you pointed out.
You seem to be your own worst critique, at least when you speak.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:17 pmMy question, is why is it Left vs Right? if Bush did bad stuff, and Obama continues this legacy with much of the same politics, why are we arguing over semantics of who’s sitting in the chair. Is America defined as the one sitting in the chair, or even the .gov for that matter. Or is it defined by those countrymen that support the ethics and spirit of the country?
November 20th, 2009 at 4:20 pmapparently,
November 20th, 2009 at 4:21 pmmy beyotch fvny and liberal swallower are off in a nice, quiet corner somewhere nursing each other’s sacks after getting kick repeatedly in the balls by us.
FVNY says:
The smaller government did not or could not do its job of regulating the abuses created by your so called “libertarianism.”
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Obviously you know nothing about libertarians if you think thats what Bush and the GOP are.
I have pointed out that the small government libertarian philosophy has failed. The GOP and Bush claimed to want smaller government, while in the process they expanded government spending and tax cuts. They did not grow the government in size. It makes no difference if the smaller government philosophy is advanced by Republicans or Libertarians; it is still a failed philosophy. Expanding Libertarian ideas on a larger scale than was done by Republicans is not going to get a better result. The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and expecting a different result.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:22 pmMy question, is why is it Left vs Right? if Bush did bad stuff, and Obama continues this legacy with much of the same politics, why are we arguing over semantics of who’s sitting in the chair. Is America defined as the one sitting in the chair, or even the .gov for that matter. Or is it defined by those countrymen that support the ethics and spirit of the country?
November 20th, 2009 at 4:22 pm____________________________________________________
Good point!
I never feel backed into a corner
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To the readers it seems I have shown you to be a liar as well as a fraud….
have pointed out that the small government libertarian philosophy has failed. The GOP and Bush claimed to want smaller government, while in the process they expanded government spending and tax cuts.
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Bush never claimed to be a libertarian. Him, like his father, was a Rockefeller Republican. Big government, big spending, Wall St cronies. Big difference.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:25 pmMaster
It IS left v right, I think Obama is marginally better than Bush and that is pretty much all I am willing to give him so far. He is criticized here all the time so your saying is it about who is in the chair is frankly inane. Those margins however mean REAL things to REAL people living IN the margins. For instance a public option may not be single payer but it WILL help some REAL people. It isnt Dem V GOP for me. I am not even a Dem. Lets remember that the topic of the thread is about a billboard calling for revolution because people are throwing a petulant fit that they LOST AN ELECTION would you say THAT was, supporting the ethics and spirit of the country?
November 20th, 2009 at 4:27 pmNote the the responsible organization is too cowardly to post a responsible author to the work.
Probably fear charges of sedition, which is warranted in my book.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:28 pmFVNY that should be HE like his father.
No it is NOT, no difference. The difference is WHERE the money is spent. Is it spent to further enrich the already wealthy, and protect privilege or to help those who NEED help?
November 20th, 2009 at 4:29 pmEugeneDebs
What if it’s not the election loss that’s pissing people off, what if it’s the policies that are coming from them, I know plenty of people that voted for Obama and consider themselves democrats but absolutely Hate what he is actually doing.
Me myself, I couldn’t care less if there is a D, R, L or a shiny rainbow next to the guys name, I care about the integrity of the person as well as there policies. Integrity is measured to me by not only what they actually do or do not do, but also how they come about doing it.
Could a person not say they are a democrat, and in reality support vastly different vies from what you and I would consider to be democratic?
November 20th, 2009 at 4:36 pmLiberalBater,
November 20th, 2009 at 4:36 pmIs this you in the blue jacket?
Bush never claimed to be a libertarian. Him, like his father, was a Rockefeller Republican. Big government, big spending, Wall St cronies. Big difference.
They embraced (or at least they claimed to have embraced) smaller government, less taxes and most of the rest of the libertarian philosophy – so in that regard, there was little difference.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:39 pmFVNY says:
Bush never claimed to be a libertarian. Him, like his father, was a Rockefeller Republican. Big government, big spending, Wall St cronies. Big difference.
You are right except to the extent of big government. Bush did not expand the government on a large scale. He followed Libertarian philosophy to the extent he and the Republicans underfunded or eliminated government agencies. The only expansion of government by Bush was the Homeland Security. The underfunded agencies and those that were eliminated were unable to stop the economic abuse that lead to tainted food, Bernie Madoff and the huge influx of illegals. That is the crux of my point. Greenspan was the biggest advocate of small government and less regulation and even he admitted his theories failed. Small government cannot reign in the abuses which proves Libertarianism is a failed and dead philosophy.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:40 pm260 is way beyond excellent. Check it out!!!!
November 20th, 2009 at 4:42 pmHi vote down baby. How’s things going. Another day sans balls?
November 20th, 2009 at 4:43 pmHi, Olby Sucks.
You missed the party.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:45 pmNO master
It IS them throwing a petulant fit about losing an election because he is DOING basically what he CAMPAIGNED on. I am sure a LOT of dems are mad that he isnt as liberal as they thought and the places he is going back on what he SAID he is going to do is in things like abandoning habeas corpus and none of us mad about THOSE things are calling for a revolutiojn. Rather those mad BECAUSE he is doing what he SAID HE WOULD while campaigning are throwing hissy fits like this so NO that ISNT the problem it is EXACTLY that they are just punking out because they LOST THE ELECTION and arent getting their way
November 20th, 2009 at 4:45 pmThey embraced (or at least they claimed to have embraced) smaller government, less taxes and most of the rest of the libertarian philosophy – so in that regard, there was little difference.
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But that’s my point, they claim to be about those things and aren’t. So you can’t say that was libertarianism in action the 8 years under Bush.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:45 pmwho will criticize the messiah.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:45 pm—
Jesus Christ should have done shit differently. So are you happy now?
The 14th Amendment was adopted in 1868.
The “Founders” did not write it, because they were dead.
Idiot.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:46 pmbarakhatingMORON
You are a liar. MY GOD you are stupid. We criticize him all the time. The stupid talking point you have been brainwashed with about Obama being the messiah is ONLY pushed by the rightwing screechmonkeys that do your thinking for you. Just STFU you stupid punkass troll and ignorant pile of dogshit
November 20th, 2009 at 4:47 pmjay
That may be true. It however does NOTHING to address the stupid nature of his argument. His claim was flat out stupid its really that simple
November 20th, 2009 at 4:49 pmThis is propaganda pushed by the corporatists and the 1% Overclass in this country. What we are witnessing is class warfare. If the corporatists can get people to point fingers at the government, corporations escape the scrutiny they deserve.
Extreme income inequality has devastating consequences for any society. And in America today it has reached levels not seen in six decades.
Income inequality in postwar America can be divided into two distinct periods. Between 1947 and 1974, income inequality was reduced from .376 to .355 on the Gini scale (which goes from 0 to 1, with 1 being the most unequal). But between 1975 and 1994, income inequality dramatically grew, from .357 to .426, a level not seen since the Great Depression. Although the decades immediately following World War II were socially conservative, they were impeccably liberal from an economic standpoint. In the 1950s, the top individual tax rate was 91 percent. By the 60s, President Johnson would cut poverty nearly in half with his Great Society programs. And this was an era of unprecedented prosperity; white middle class families never had it so good, either before or since. Black families made enormous strides towards equality, with their poverty rate falling from 55 to 31 percent.
This liberal economic era came to an end in 1975, when a quiet revolution took over Washington D.C. The stage was set in 1974, when the House of Representatives decentralized its power, allowing 22 committees to delegate much of their authority to 172 subcommittees. This not only created a mass of competing special interests, but enabled corporations to lobby their particular subcommittees much more directly, secretly and effectively. But the real shift in power came with the 1975 SUN-PAC decision, which basically legalized corporate political action committees. In 1974, there were only 89 quasi-corporate PACs; a decade later, this had exploded to 1,682. By 1992, corporations formed 67 percent of all PACs, and they donated 79 percent of all contributions to political parties.
The rise of the corporate special interest system in 1975 resulted in a tremendous shift in power, away from workers and the poor, and towards corporations and the rich. Corporate lobbyists wasted no time scaling back the programs of the New Deal and the Great Society.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:50 pmbarakhatingMORON
I mentioned where he differed. On GITMO he is closing it, on taxes YES, on transparency yes. What do you get out of being so unalterably STUPID and parading your ignorance around all day? Do you enjoy embarassing the human race with your abject stupidity?
November 20th, 2009 at 4:52 pmMy criticism of Obama is that the things he is proposing are not radical enough to be considered a change. He is trying to change things in increments. The New Deal and the Great Society were large scale programs that were implemented to change society.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:52 pmThe underfunded agencies and those that were eliminated were unable to stop the economic abuse that lead to tainted food, Bernie Madoff and the huge influx of illegals.
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This is where you lose me. I don’t think that underfunding was to blame for the Madoff mess or the financial crisis. The SEC turned a blind eye to Madoff and the government helped contribute to the financial meltdown by forcing banks to book subprime loans. Im not saying that banks were not responsible, I’m just saying I think the government was in bed with Wall St.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:56 pmEugeneDebs
Such as having the most transparent administration ever and not putting lobbiests in power?
Those are two that he backed down on rite away and have pissed off a lot of people I converse with. I am not picking on Obama, I am trying to stay even on both D and R fronts and looking at the overall picture. If you sit down and look at the escalation of abuse of power that started a long time ago it’s kinda scary. i’ll pick on Bush too, such as the Executive orders that were miss used.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:56 pmFVNY says:
They embraced (or at least they claimed to have embraced) smaller government, less taxes and most of the rest of the libertarian philosophy – so in that regard, there was little difference.
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But that’s my point, they claim to be about those things and aren’t. So you can’t say that was libertarianism in action the 8 years under Bush.
Yes it was–just on a small scale.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:56 pmbarrackbelow50
November 20th, 2009 at 4:57 pm—-
So do you support the closing of Gitmo? Which taxes have been raised that you feel was a bad decision? Are there any things that you would credit the Obama administration with?
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barakhatingMORON
He is CLOSING it. Not doing so fast enough to suit me isnt going back on what he SAID he is going to do. He is raising income taxes on the highest tax bracket only which is EXACTLY what he said he would do. He putting the logs of visitors ONLINE which is more than any previous administration has ever done. Just how stupid are you trying to look? We alreadly know you are astonishingly stupid and brainwashed but just regurgitating what Rush TOLD you to think only makes you look like the moron you are. Nothing else
November 20th, 2009 at 4:58 pmjaimymoore, good point but it won’t stop the screech monkeys.
They think they found a bicuit and they want to fight over it.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:59 pmObama, Reid and Pelosi are stranded in a life raft in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. There is no food, no water, or way of contacting the outside world. Who survives?
America!
November 20th, 2009 at 5:02 pmbarrackbelow50
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So do you support the closing of Gitmo? Which taxes have been raised that you feel was a bad decision? Are there any things that you would credit the Obama administration with?
Thanks-
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November 20th, 2009 at 5:02 pmDoes this indicate that you can’t answer the question?
He IS doing things more transparent than any other administration. Did you really think that meant he would make every aspect of what he does open to all? As for lobbyists I will give you that. It is one of the things I was talking about but I always thought it was a niave promise. Too many talented pols HAVE to make money that way when not employed by an admninistration. I WISH it were otherwise but it just isnt. Choose a side. I dont mean become a Dem or Rep. I mean MAKE A DECISION. Dont try to look reasonable by straddling the fence at the cost of being part of the debate. We are citizens. In the US that means we are the top layer of government. It is our JOB to be part of the process. Criticize both sides by all means, I do. Just dont keep score and assure you critisize both sides the same for the sole purpose of seeming fair. What do you BELIEVE. What do you think is important. WHAT ARE THE VALUES you think our country should be defined by. THOSE things mean much more than how fair you are. If all you want to do is be a referee, well thats your choice, but you make yourself meaningless to the dialogue that way
November 20th, 2009 at 5:04 pmObama, Reid and Pelosi are stranded in a life raft in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. There is no food, no water, or way of contacting the outside world. Who survives?
America!
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November 20th, 2009 at 5:05 pmNow since the GOP is the same in your opinion then this joke would work just as well if we subbed some GOP leaders names in there right? Problem is I can’t think of any GOP leaders. See the weird thing about your both parties are the same charade is that you never live up to it. For it to work you have to stay in character….
Well, that’s just a list of your lies. Just because gitmo isn’t closed doesn’t mean it won’t be closed idiot.
Sure wish you had been concerned about our troops in 2003……you know when you supported war in Iraq?
November 20th, 2009 at 5:06 pmFVNY shoots himself in the head. Who is better off? ALL MANKIND
November 20th, 2009 at 5:07 pmBush, Cheney and Delay are stranded in a life raft in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. There is no food, no water, or way of contacting the outside world. Who survives?
You’re right, that would work also.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:08 pmFVNY shoots himself in the head. Who is better off? ALL MANKIND
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Are you suggesting that I committ suicide Debs?
November 20th, 2009 at 5:08 pmbarakhatingMORON
My GOD you are so stupid it is sickening. You add nothing but a vast amount of ignorance to any discussion. You are a liar and a moron. No one in their right mind cares what you think or believes the lies you have been brainwashed with. Do yourself and us a favor and STFU
November 20th, 2009 at 5:09 pmAre you suggesting that I committ suicide Debs?
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November 20th, 2009 at 5:10 pmI think as a libertarian you probably support death with dignity and probably reproductive rights as well. Big government shouldn’t be involved in such life and death matters right?
I think as a libertarian you probably support death with dignity and probably reproductive rights as well. Big government shouldn’t be involved in such life and death matters right?
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No they shouldn’t.
But I’m still not going to kill myself.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:11 pmNO, FVNY. I do that only to trolls that arent even TRYING to add to the discussion and are just screwing with us. You are not one of them. I am showing how STUPID you are. I know you ignorant cons think that anything rude and nasty you say about a lefty is funny, it isnt. No funnier than the rude joke I told about YOU.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:12 pmFVNY
November 20th, 2009 at 5:13 pmWho do you think voted down 289 and why? Is LiberalSlayer still feeling sad and inferior?
NO, FVNY. I do that only to trolls that arent even TRYING to add to the discussion and are just screwing with us. You are not one of them. I am showing how STUPID you are. I know you ignorant cons think that anything rude and nasty you say about a lefty is funny, it isnt. No funnier than the rude joke I told about YOU.
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It was a joke Debs, lighten up!
You telling me you never laughed at a joke about Bush?
November 20th, 2009 at 5:13 pmbarrackbelow50
This one comes into the room with a username that screams “I am a liar”
next he will want to be taken seriously.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:13 pmI suported the war right up until the liberal generals changed the rules of engagement i.e. using rubber bullets
November 20th, 2009 at 5:14 pm—-
You read like a complete idiot. Sorry but it is so….
FVNY
Who do you think voted down 289 and why? Is LiberalSlayer still feeling sad and inferior?
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It doesnt appear 289 was voted down and I don’t know how LiberalSlayer is feeling.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:15 pmBarakhatingMORON
You are an ignorant pile of dogshit. You are a liar and a fool. Since we already know that and you dont have anything else to offer why dont you just STFU.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:15 pmFVNY
So was MINE, so why dont YOU just lighten up? They were both STUPID, neither were funny, both were jokes. You seem to take offense at MINE and like YOURS. THAT would make you a hypocrite
November 20th, 2009 at 5:16 pmI love it when you post. I don’t have to do anything except point at your stupidity and laugh.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:18 pmbarakhatingMORON
You are the liar. You are also ignorant, brainwashed, and a stinking pile of dogshit. Got any other questions?
November 20th, 2009 at 5:18 pmFred:
November 20th, 2009 at 5:19 pmI love when they just flail around. I admit it is sort of pitiful like a fish out of water but still it sort of amuses me….
FVNY says:
Obama, Reid and Pelosi are stranded in a life raft in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. There is no food, no water, or way of contacting the outside world. Who survives?
Eight year of Bush nearly killed the country and the whole world: two failed wars, unfunded tax cuts, a failed economy, massive incompetent foreign relations disasters with the world. Obama, Reid and Pelosi are attempting resuscitation of the country. Even Superman would have a hard time cleaning up.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:20 pmSo do you want Gitmo closed or not? Now tell me which taxes have been raised and why you oppose these. Please try to be specific. I sort of have little patience for pretenders…
November 20th, 2009 at 5:24 pmYou are.
You’re just a little goose stepping nazi liar.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:24 pmSo somebody’s making money on this or someone is really racist, or both. either way it’s a life or lives going to waste.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:26 pmI have noticed a pattern. The more indefensible a position becomes, the more the stupid trolls will rabidly support it.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:26 pmI know dbadass, but at least a fish has enough sense to try to get back to water….
November 20th, 2009 at 5:27 pmFVNY says:
This is where you lose me. I don’t think that underfunding was to blame for the Madoff mess or the financial crisis. The SEC turned a blind eye to Madoff and the government helped contribute to the financial meltdown by forcing banks to book subprime loans. Im not saying that banks were not responsible, I’m just saying I think the government was in bed with Wall St.
The SEC did not have the people or the resources to investigate Madoff as well as other scam investment advisors. Their budget was cut which forced the agency to cut services. Second, the banks were not forced to book any of the subprime loans. They were happy to book them and then resell them on the derivatives market. Greenspan and the Republicans blocked giving a federal agency the authority to regulate the derivatives because Greenspan believed the free market would self correct the abuses. He was wrong and admitted it.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:28 pmI just got here pete and was thinking the exact same thing. This billboard goes against the country, the Constitution and the American way of life and the trolls are here defending the position. There is no reasoning with this kind of insanity.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:28 pmThis hate stuff comes and goes like swine flue, and a few soulless snakes make a load of money promoting it.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:28 pmYou wouldn’t vote for him what do you care? Does it make you less impotent if you believe people don’t like the black man in the Oval Office?
November 20th, 2009 at 5:30 pmWhat, that you’re a liar and a nazi? It’s common knowledge.
That’s all you have for an argument. Hell with that I can say you are a child molester and it’s just as true.
Maybe some day I’ll let you carry my lunch and you can take a trip into the real world.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:30 pm316 pete says:
Ya, brings to mind that thing about protesting too much.
When you’re cornered you raise a fuss, throw up a cloud of confusion.
Child psychology really, thankfully.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:30 pmbarakhatingMORON
No reason to refute the stupidity you have been brainwashed with. You are a LIAR, you are a brainwashed MORON. That is the simple reality here. No one takes you seriously. If they refute you at all instead of just slapping the stupid out of you like you deserve it is just for the batting practice. You dont seriously think you are anything but an ignorant pile of dogshit do you?
November 20th, 2009 at 5:31 pmbarrackbelow50
November 20th, 2009 at 5:35 pmIs there a reason you can’t settle on a topic and discuss it?
barakhatingMORON
Typical punkass troll. Keep trying to derail the topic. Keep lying. Keep showing how pathetically stupid he is. I have to say though I do LOVE to laugh at morons as stupid as bhm
November 20th, 2009 at 5:38 pmYes there is dbadass, he’s not here to discuss. He is a memeber of a failed idiology who is here to tell us what to do. That’s all.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:39 pmbarakhatingMORON
The ONLY thing you decide is how STUPID you want to look. You ignorant pile of dogshit
November 20th, 2009 at 5:39 pmGeorge Bush below 20%.
Because he’s a COXUCKER punk TRAITOR against the USA.
Hang this TRAITOR and Cheney as well.
After a fair trial.
Then BURN their EFFIGIES next to them as a WARNING to OTHERS who would do the SAME.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:39 pmI decide what the topic is.
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November 20th, 2009 at 5:40 pmYou might want to consider trying a different approach because you come acros as an insincere attention seeker who lackes any real principles and just wants to create disruption. It looks childish and uneducated. In fact I for one think you are totally full of shit and lame and that you could not win a political debate with a second grader. Just saying….
EugeneDebs
Ok my personal feeling then. Pushing thru a bill that will cost billions without actually showing the people who will be voting it in or not, or giving them enough time to debate and read into the meaning/consequences of the bill is not transparent, it’s underhanded. renaming sections that you said you would take out so that you can sneak the same provisions in under another name is backhanded and shows no care for what anyone thinks other than yourself. making someone buy something regardless of your situation is not only profiteering but also un-constitutional and not within the governments delegated power to do. Do we need Change, yes. but settling for any change will not do, rashing into a decision will not make things better, but has a greater way of making things worse.
I have my side, I just wish to better understand others sides, if all I did was simply defend my position I wouldn’t learn anything and would be a closed, single minded idiot, no help to myself or anyone else. I strive to see the perspective and rationalization outside of my own thoughts. you make it a right vs left war, that’s fine. I reason to argue that life is not black and white.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:41 pm328 EugeneDebs says
These trolls are as stupid as the POX Theatre Players – maybe they are POX Theatre Players…
November 20th, 2009 at 5:41 pmMissouri receives more in fed pork than it pays in. If the beast decided to starve Missouri, it would turn into Albania within 5 years.
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BHM couldnt win a political debate with a goldfish
November 20th, 2009 at 5:42 pmI haven’t called you a liar. I have called you a fraud and an attention seeker.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:42 pmWhat is a “revolution of a corrupt government”?
November 20th, 2009 at 5:43 pmProbably a liar too though, right troll?
November 20th, 2009 at 5:43 pmPerhaps I should add pussy vote down baby to fraud and attention seeker. Sucks to be so inferior…
November 20th, 2009 at 5:45 pmSeems I have filleted enough little fish here. Time to go cut up some big ones. See ya…
November 20th, 2009 at 5:47 pmHe’s a cold blooded murderer that’s a fact. You just HAVE to call him a terrorist because he’s a brown man. I don’t hear you carrying on about any of the white men who go on shooting sprees.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:47 pmYou’re the one doing the proving. You’re proving that you’re a racist and ignorant.
When did you make anything other than a pronouncement?
Let me try your style.
barrackbelow50 is a child molester. Prove I’m wrong.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:47 pmTo think that when I took part in a march in NYC in a futile effort to show the Cheney administration that some of us didn’t want to invade Iraq the police took pictures of us all, as though we were criminals, for just standing quietly listening to Dennis Kucinich speak – but these treasonous chuckleheads with more testosterone than brains can advertise armed insurrection.
Then again, the sign doesn’t even make sense grammatically so the thugs are probably too stupid to actually organize anything that could do much harm.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:49 pmWe’ll call you anything we want. What are you gonna do about it, putz?
November 20th, 2009 at 5:50 pmEugeneDebs says:
BHM couldnt win a political debate with a goldfish
LOL>>> and that one thats teats up as well.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:50 pmSoon Dick Cheney will DROP DEAD.
Then George W. Bush.
The WORLD will CHEER the DEMISE of these EVIL MURDERERS.
And they will then join TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan and his MASTER Satan.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:51 pmbarrackbelow50 says:
Are you calling all of your progressive buddies “pussies” and “inferior?
LOL>>> You do have a hard time comprehending dont you? It ok we all understand that you are a troll and handle by 3 or 4 troll handlers but you should really try to stand on your own and learn.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:55 pmCome on man, you are very dissappointing. You have a huge opinion of yourself, why destroy your own self esteem further?
Are you weak and pathetic as you post leads me to believe?
Show us some of that “real American” political insight.
or is that it for you?
November 20th, 2009 at 5:57 pmStep 4 — Get the f uck out.
Just try pulling your “I’m an American” shit anywhere else in the world, and see how impressed they are.
Go on, git!
November 20th, 2009 at 6:00 pmSome of the thugs like the ones who put this sign up have been planning for this for decades. I saw some footage from the early 80’s taken with a hidden camera in a training camp in the woods of Idaho or somewhere around there that showed guys getting ‘knighted’ and there was a lot of yelling about the day when they were going to take over and kick all the non-whites out etc.
It’s too bad they can’t seem to figure out a way to put all that time and energy into something that could actually benefit the country.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:01 pmso what happens if an oppressive dictator does take over thru manipulation of the .gov? we should all leave and abandon our country?
November 20th, 2009 at 6:07 pmOnce again, I am not trying to troll, I just wish to better understand peoples opinions.
Master
The very idea the bill is being voted on with no one knowing what is in it is BS. It is what rightwing screechmonkeys are brainwashing the gullible with. They put it online. Congressmen have STAFFS to read and summarize what is in it. Re introducing amendments is what is done for several political reasons. To give cover to those who heard from the constituents and changed their minds or traded political favors, because things can pass on the floor that wont pass in comittee. It is the way politics is done but they KNOW what they are voting on its silly to pretend they dont
The CBO is TELLING us what it will cost so saying we dont know is more BS the rightwing is trying to brainwash people with. We pay MORE than any country in the world per capita for our health insurance and are 37th on the quality list. 44,000 Americans per year DIE from lack of access to healthcare. Half of all bankrupcies are healthcare related and almost three quarters of THOSE are people who HAD insurance when their troubles began. We need reform. If it costs it costs but since other countried do MORE at less cost we have ways for it to NOT be a prohibitive cost. How much is your brother citizens life WORTH anyway?
I dont even underSTAND why you say we are rushing this. It sounds like programming to me. We have been discussing it for MONTHS, we have been discussing the need for reform for YEARS. The claim doesnt even make sense.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:17 pmHi, Olby Sucks.
Now I decide what the topic is.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:17 pmWhy are you talking about an “oppressive dictator” mastershinken?
Obama was ELECTED by the majority of the voters. As in, they WANTED him to be the President. Why should that majority put up with the efforts of a bunch of thugs who seem to be fomenting revolution and talking about overthrowing the government that the majority voted for?
The more I think of it, in what ways are the training camps of militias, full of people who want to bully and strong-arm the majority, any different than the training camps of Al-Qaeda in Pakistan? They’re both fringe radicals who are trying to use brute force to get their way over the majority after all.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:18 pmFOAD barakhatingMORON. You are too stupid to even be IN an adult conversation
November 20th, 2009 at 6:18 pmAs Napoleon Dynamite would say, “Flippin idiots”!
November 20th, 2009 at 6:20 pmA wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned – this is the sum of good government.
Thomas Jefferson
Lock ‘n Load!
November 20th, 2009 at 6:39 pmDid you catch the “Leave Men Free” part??????
November 20th, 2009 at 6:39 pmto EugeneDebs
There is a large difference between telling us what it costs and letting you read the bill so you know what it contains. it’s like signing a contract without knowing what it says first, just a bad idea.
to lacewing
I didn’t say anything about Obama in that text, I just asked the question what happenes if an opressive dictator (or group of them) manipulates things so they get in power. I was trying to figure out the rationalization of zooey’s statment.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:46 pmshould the ‘get out’ mentality stick no matter what the circumstances.
Hi, Olby Sucks.
Yeah, that dbadass. Changing names all the time. What a chicken. He ought to be punished!
What a shocker!
November 20th, 2009 at 6:54 pmUh…they’re advocating not paying taxes, which is against the law. The sign needs to be taken down for that reason alone. I’d be okay with it (even though it’s stupider than hell) if it just said vote out the incumbents.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:56 pmwell, for one they aren’t terrorizing civilians, and blowing up random things to instill fear. if you think about it, most News media outlets are terrorist organizations simply because as part of there jobs, they instill fear and terror into people, usualy to help support there views on certain things.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:56 pmTechnicaly not true, there is no law that says a citizen of a state is required to pay federal taxes.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:58 pmmastershinken says:
so what happens if an oppressive dictator does take over thru manipulation of the .gov? we should all leave and abandon our country?
November 20th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
It’s not happening now. All that’s happening now is the President is trying to fix the f uck ups of the last several presidents.
The closest we have ever come to an oppressive dictatorship in recent years was under George W. Bush, and the rightwing and future teabagger crowd were asleep at the wheel. Now they’re all in an ignorant uproar over “fascist liberals” and “keep your government hands off my Medicare.” We’re trying to make this country work according to the Constitution, and anyone ignorant enough to protest against that might as well get out if they’re unhappy.
I truly hope that if we ever find ourselves being ruled by an oppressive dictator, the American people will work together to get rid of him/her. I’m not holding my breath.
November 20th, 2009 at 7:03 pmmastershinken says:
Technicaly not true, there is no law that says a citizen of a state is required to pay federal taxes.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Oh that’s who you are. *eyes rolling*
November 20th, 2009 at 7:06 pmHaven’t read all the posts, but did anyone notice that one of the billboards linked by STORM in post 39 is a CANADIAN ad? I guess American liberals are now responsible for Canadian billboards.
November 20th, 2009 at 7:11 pmmastershinken says:
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Technicaly not true, there is no law that says a citizen of a state is required to pay federal taxes.
Yeah….you try telling that to Wesley Snipes.
November 20th, 2009 at 7:12 pmzooey
Oh that’s who you are. *eyes rolling*
Not sure who you think I am, but I found this site this morning off of a twitter post from a friend. If you wish to challenge my comment then I wish you would, I’d happily take back my comment if you give me the section number in federal law that states that all federal taxes are mandatory.
I agree with your argument over it’s not oppressive at the moment, The statement against this particular billboard in current context wouldn’t make as much sense, however in future context you have to wonder if it would. I wonder if everyone would wonder where all the people that they said should be jailed for posting up such things have gone. (most likely they were already executed)
What worried me recently is when Poloci was asked if the health care plan was within the .gov’s constitutional rights to actually implement, she blew off the question with “Is that even a question”
November 20th, 2009 at 7:23 pmIf the so-called “Progressives” and “Liberals” won’t stand up and defend this president – This will end very very bad. The writing is all over the wall.
November 20th, 2009 at 7:49 pmOk, so a friend of mine is here, and we came up with a good question. you said before that if you dont agree with/like the current .gov then you should leave. What if I were to become president, I have shown some of my views on here. Would you leave the country if there was a string of people like myself who were elected?
November 20th, 2009 at 7:50 pmiamwhoiam says:
If the so-called “Progressives” and “Liberals” won’t stand up and defend this president – This will end very very bad. The writing is all over the wall.
Bush and Cheney committed TREASON with ILLEGAL wars, indefinite detention, TORTURE, and short-changing the troops,
such as tainted water, electrocution of soldiers, etc.
Then there was the outing of the COVERT CIA SPY and her company who were keeping an eye on WMD’s.
As well as the flying of the Bin Ladens out of the country on 9/12, when the REST of the country’s air traffic was BANNED.
Burn for ETERNITY, Bush and Cheney, you TREASONOUS scumbags.
And your supporters of your treason.
Go to be with TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan, and his MASTER Satan.
November 20th, 2009 at 7:59 pmLooks like “dbadass” has run with her tail between her legs. Either that or changed names….Guessing the latter.
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Actually he went to nis part time night job and things were slow with few fish needing to be cut so he came home early as it is just his beer and gas money. He did score some nice salmon steaks, a few pineapples, a pint of shucked oysters, and some swordfish though… Face it loser you lack what it takes to best me….
November 20th, 2009 at 8:09 pmmastershinken says:
Ok my personal feeling then. Pushing thru a bill that will cost billions without actually showing the people who will be voting it in or not, or giving them enough time to debate and read…..
This would be a legitimate argument if the bills were handwritten or typed, with the option of receiving your copy by carrier pigeon. However, Congress, like the rest of the world, uses a computer network by which the bill is transmitted to all members including amendments and corrections. This is done in real time so the Republicans are full of bullshite about needing time to read the bill. They have had a copy since Reid introduced the bill and are aware of what amendments will be proposed. Try again.
November 20th, 2009 at 8:21 pmThe deficit disaster… not that anyone cares right now.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704888404574547492725871998.html
November 20th, 2009 at 8:46 pmI always care about you and your pretend small business…
November 20th, 2009 at 8:50 pmI bet the “businessman” is a failed Chrysler dealer.
November 20th, 2009 at 9:32 pmYou make it sound like they type the bills in AIM. this is however not correct. they are typed on computers which are connected to networks, however it is policy not to release any document until it goes thru the review process of the team that is writing it. so in other words, there is no system where a person can log into, in real time, to get something that they are currently working on. this wouldn’t make since as there would be a million versions out there for when someone prints it out to read it at home. official documents go thru a draft period, where it is written up, usualy as it’s being written up only the people writing it can see it. It then goes through a review/processing period, to which it then gets submitted for public notice.
Nice try, but it doesn’t quite work how you set out.
November 20th, 2009 at 9:44 pm“prepare for war’ against the government”?
time to call in the FBI.
November 20th, 2009 at 9:45 pmmastershinken says:
You make it sound like they type the bills in AIM. this is however not correct. they are typed on computers which are connected to networks, however it is policy not to release any document until it goes thru the review process of the team that is writing it. …..
When Reid introduced the bill, every Senator received a copy of that bill the same day. All proposed amendments are sent through the network to each Senator. This means the Republicans have seen the bill and have had an ample opportunity to read and study it. They choose not to or pretend not to read for political grandstanding propaganda.
Try again.
November 21st, 2009 at 1:15 amto pags2
I will ask a few politicians after the weekend to see what they have to say bout the access of latest amendments of bills. it is possible that things on that side of the .gov work differently than other areas although has not been supported thru conversation I’ve previously had with senators aids.
I will post back with responses from both parties.
November 21st, 2009 at 2:47 amMaster
Just how BRAINWASHED ARE YOU. They are putting it online. You WILL be able to read it as it passes the Senate. The house version is ALREADY ONLINE. Stop regurgitating what rightwing screechmonkeys TELL YOU TO THINK. Check opencongress.org. Or google it.
You keep showing exactly how brainwashed you are. It IS ABSOLUTLY against the law NOT to pay taxes. It IS a Federal Crime.
IF you WON THE ELECTION I would live with it just like I did with Bush even though he DIDNT legitamatly win the election he DID legally become the president. I opposed his policies but never called for a revolution. Really you dont know enough for me to bother with anymore. You just regurgitate stupid talking points.
November 21st, 2009 at 4:34 amDr Venture
What no one cares about is what a stupid pile of dogshit and ignorant punkass troll like YOU thinks. FOAD
November 21st, 2009 at 4:35 amFVNY says:
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So I should vote for a candidate or party even if I don’t agree with their policies? I understand your point and have heard the old saying “if you don’t vote then you can’t complain” but I won’t continue to vote for the lesser of two evils. Honestly, I was so upset with Bush and then the McCain nomination that I abstained in 2004 and 2008. I’d rather see the Democrats win than be responsible for more of the same from the GOP.
Dude. It’s called write-in candidate. It’s what I did when Clinton was running, both times. Not to mention, while I wasn’t all too happy about Al Gore and actually wanted someone else, I *did* vote for him because I knew staying silent – or voting for a different non-primary candidate – meant that there was even less of a chance that King George would be thrown out of office.
If you don’t vote, then no, you have NO right to whine about the outcome of the election you didn’t vote in. Speak up when it counts, or STFU when it doesn’t. You have no leg to stand on.
November 21st, 2009 at 5:03 amLiberalSlayer says:
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I love how the liberal twats voted down #47, which was a direct quote from the Declaration of Independence. You know, that horrible document you hate so much?
It’s called context, look into it. It was posted by FVNY, someone known to defend the conservative view. It’s obvious s/he posted it in support of the billboard’s statements, and THAT’S why it got voted down.
Once again, leave it to a conservative to not look past the face value of something in order to find what it truly means.
November 21st, 2009 at 5:11 ammastershinken says:
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Freedom of speech protects this sign, just as much as your ability to protest it.
Actually, it doesn’t. Your freedom of speech ends when it breaks the law or purports to put others in danger. That’s why you can’t yell “Fire!” in a crowded movie house, joke that you have a bomb in an airport, or make a death threat against the President.
November 21st, 2009 at 5:24 ambarrackbelow50 says:
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OBAMA DROPS BELOW 50% IN GALLUP
Who’s the liar?
From that poll:
And yet, Reagan got two terms anyways.
Also – ABC News/Washington Post poll has his approval rating at 56%, and (gasp!) Fox News has it at 50.6%
November 21st, 2009 at 6:26 amReading the posts, I always wondered how millions of Jews went to their deaths in Germany without rebellion, certainly there was nothing to lose in giving up a life that was soon to be ended, at least some of them knew or suspected.
November 21st, 2009 at 10:21 amNot saying that we are in a similar situation or not, but at least some people are suspecting we may be.
And also thought about the 9/11 flight were a few fought back against terrorist, would you have sat in your seat while others acted?
sorry about the “were” instead of “where” in third sentence
November 21st, 2009 at 10:23 am“A citizen’s guide to revolution of a corrupt government”?
Sorry, some wannabe revolutionary “shadowy businessman” who can’t construct a syntactically, grammatically correct sentence ain’t gonna be followed by this sheep. Baaaaah. And Humbug, too, arsehole.
November 21st, 2009 at 12:18 pm@ 327. barrackbelow50 says: This comment has been voted down. Click to read. I decide what the topic is. November 20th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Not on this site, you don’t…
November 21st, 2009 at 12:22 pm@ 208. LiberalSlayer says: This comment has been voted down. Click to read. Rationalism and Liberalism are diametrically opposed. Lefty Kooks like Eugene and Fred are further proof. November 20th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
That’s a nice ignorance you have there, LS. Glad to see you’re not ashamed to take it out in public.
You ought to go over to your local junior college and take a course or a dozen in early modern philosophy and political science and history. They may have to drill a hole in your head to pour the knowledge in, since you probably can’t be bothered to seriously study, but it won’t hurt all that long.
November 21st, 2009 at 12:39 pmIt does not matter if you agree with what this person is saying…once you start putting parameters on freedom of speech whether or not it is tactful…you give your freedoms away. It is not agaist the law at this time to say what the billboard says…however, with what a few of you have posted you think it should be. Well currently Pakistan and two other muslim countries are trying to create a blasphemy treaty by lobbying with the U.N. participating countries would not be able to joke or say anything derogotory about islam or to be fair any other religious belief. So the little joke about a mormon, a catholic, and a budhist you hear at a bar would be illegal…I for one do not go around making fun of people or their religions, however I have made a comment about whether i disagree or not which is my right. Under the rules alot of you are displaying on here that would be agaist the law. you want communism….go live in another country.
November 21st, 2009 at 12:46 pm@ 381. kwsventures says: The deficit disaster… not that anyone cares right now. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704888404574547492725871998.html November 20th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
dood! you ever figure out whether you were the Willis Seymour Home Inspections kwsventures or the Kurt Walter jock strap twit kwsventures?
November 21st, 2009 at 12:46 pm@ 394. blackdog says: Reading the posts, I always wondered how millions of Jews went to their deaths in Germany without rebellion, certainly there was nothing to lose in giving up a life that was soon to be ended, at least some of them knew or suspected. Not saying that we are in a similar situation or not, but at least some people are suspecting we may be. And also thought about the 9/11 flight were a few fought back against terrorist, would you have sat in your seat while others acted? November 21st, 2009 at 10:21 am
Good of you to always wonder that, blackdog. Basically, they didn’t go to their deaths in Germany. Most of the Jews who went to their deaths in their millions did so in Poland, where most of the death camps were located, and across the Ukraine and Russia, where Jewish villages and villagers, right behind the German lines, were herded to open trenches and machine gunned by Einsatzgruppen troops. And they didn’t go completely without a fight. There was a revolt in the Warsaw “ghetto” and a fair number of Jews managed to make it into the maquis and other resistance units. You should look a bit further into that history and work on your understanding and comprehension of it if you’re going to try to draw analogies to it.
We’re not in a similar situation. We have a bunch of people on the right who can’t handle living in a democracy, so they’re talking sedition and seccession; they also seem to think that threatening violence to our President is a good idea.
We haven’t been hijacked by anyone, blackdog. We had an election. We’ll have another election next year. And another Presidential election two years after that. Go vote. Take the time to become a little better informed before doing so; nobody minds if you take a conservative, libertarian, or Republican position – your party affiliation is your own damn business, but you should take care, as an American (assuming you are one) to not take the (small d) anti-democratic position that a lot of people on the right are taking.
November 21st, 2009 at 1:08 pmThe right to revolt has sources deep in our history.
William O. Douglas
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.
THOMAS JEFFERSON, letter to W.S. Smith, Nov. 13, 1787
A little rebellion now and then is a good thing and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.
THOMAS JEFFERSON, letter to James Madison, Jan. 30, 1787
“The Framers [of the Constitution] knew that free speech is the friend of change and revolution. But they also knew that it is always the deadliest enemy of tyranny.”
Hugo Black
“Revolution is an abrupt change in the form of misgovernment.”
November 21st, 2009 at 1:08 pmAmbrose Bierce
How do you people even take yourselves seriously. Freedom of speech as long as it’s Government approved, too funny.
November 21st, 2009 at 1:31 pmWAAA WAAA! I’m a whiny butthurt Liberal! WAAA WAAA! If it was against Boosh it would be okay and I would be happy it was in my state! WAAA WAAA! The 1st Amendment only applies to ME! WAAA WAAA!
Shut up all ready. I bet you all still have sand in your manginas from when Obamination said he may not run again in 2012. Not that you have much to worry about. But 2011 you libtards will have him installed as a Dictator of the new Communist States of Amerika where hard working folks have to give up their rights for the “privilege” of having the nanny state take care of us and you lazy slackers as you protest against the last remnants of a Democracy and expect someone else to clean up after you.
Or to put it in your terms; anything that is not controlled by the Government is bad, someone giving you a check for doing nothing is good.
Losers.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:07 pm@EugeneDebs
I’m curious why you assume that I feel I lost the election, I find it amazing that you can tell who I voted for without ever actually meeting me.
And as I said, I’m going to go ask a few senators, both D and R how long they had to look at the FINAL version of the bill they were voting on. If you are correct then I recede my comment, either way i’ll post what they say. I choose to do research before I say what I do, but since I was opposed by a few, I will check with more people.
@all that say this is beyond freedom of speach for trying to get people to rage out.
November 21st, 2009 at 4:45 pmI suggest you try going to a rally of some sort. Like the one that was rite outside military bases screaming death to military and gays, or a race march, or a PETA march saying everyone whos not vegan should be hung. I have been to a few of these, as well as picketed against myself. I dont agree with ANY of these, however as an American I will always respect there right to say these things. All of these are calling for action that could cause riots, but as long as noone actualy breaks a law and hurts someone, then they are free to picket, hold signs, yell and dance all they want. you may not agree with the message, but you have no right to take away there right to say it.
Master
I dont CARE who you voted for. My statement was about those who ARE sniveling like punks bECAUSE they lost the election. In context I made that clear enough. Stuff your condescension up your tarhole PUNK. I have not only GONE to rallies I have SPOKEN at political rallies. None of them ever got as ugly as you are talking about though I know some do. I havent ever advocated anything to stop freedom of speech. I am a purist on the issue so your last foray into fantasy really isnt relevant to anything.
November 21st, 2009 at 5:56 pmObamoron and 2STUPID2Balib
Both of you are ignorant brainwashed piles of dogshit. Rush does all your thinking for you and uses you like chatty Kathy dolls. You are wound up and spew the ignorance you were brainwashed with. I truly do LOVE to laugh at morons as stupid as you.
November 21st, 2009 at 5:58 pm@396 thank you virtual pebble for the lesson in correct writing
@401 thank you virtual pebble for the lesson in history
Clearly you believe so much in your intelligence and by putting holes in other’s ideas, you don’t have to look at the truth in what they say.
Reminds me of my inflated self 40 years ago arguing with a Communist in Florence at a demonstration.
Clearly truth exists somewhere. But for people to be locked into the “mind” as I see in your comments to me, and as I was commenting on regarding the posts, one will find themselves unable to act effectively (with wisdom) in any situation.
Mostly all the rantings against the “sign” could be summed up in “It scares me”.
November 21st, 2009 at 6:19 pmA person not held hostage by his “minds” beliefs would start from there to get to the truth. A person separated from the truth and allied with his “mind” would become a prisoner of his intellectual justifications of his positions.
@EugeneDebs
I wasn’t directing my second comment at you, just at the posts saying this was not justified under freedom of speech.
My comments to you were based that you have commented that you think most people who are anti-obama or against his policies are mad because they lost the election. as requested I am putting my own beliefs and thoughts into my writings, I can guarantee you that I am not mad about ‘loosing the election’ and was trying to show that as you do not know how I voted, you can not make that general statement against how I do or do not believe, as stated in a previous posting I do not care about D or R, just about the integrity and policies of the person i’m voting for.
I would ask however that you refrain from name calling, I am here for the sole purpose of learning, both from you and all the other posters here as well as sharing my thoughts. I wish to learn from how ever many sides to this debate there are so I can get a grasp for how people as a whole think. Calling people a ‘brainwashed pile of dogs**t’ and making comments to shoving things up places only goes to make myself (and probably most other people) feel you are immature and only helps to cause people to not take your comments seriously. Emotion towards ones beliefs is a good thing, however going overboard on that shows that you are letting it cloud your judgment.
November 21st, 2009 at 7:06 pm@blackdog
there is good knowledge in what you speak. The foolish will look only at what is in front of them. The wise will try to find a truth not only in himself but in the world outside of his own home.
November 21st, 2009 at 7:09 pmMaster
Ok then I mistook your meaning and should have said I agree with your free speech sentiment
No you didnt. Since I never said ANY SUCH THING. Stop throwing your weak strawman arguments at me. We all know it is easier for you to argue what you WISH I said instead of what I SAID but that is exactly why strawman arguments are a logical fallacy. I said PEOPLE LIKE THIS. That is those who do things like put up billboards based on their own ignorance. I never said nor thought most people who disagree with Obama do so because they are mad they lost the election. What are you 14? Further, I dont want to burst your bubble but I couldnt care LESS what you think about me or how seriously you take me. Trust me long walks in the moonlight are not in our future
Yeah ask whatever you want and I will post as I please. Perhaps if you dont LIKE my hostile answers YOU should refrain from being so smug and condescending. Exactly what would lead YOU to give ME advise telling me I should GO to political rallies. What led you in your simplemindedness to think I hadnt? Or that YOU were the expert to tell me what I need to do? Grow up. It was insulting.
November 21st, 2009 at 7:49 pmWhy not just DO the 1st and 2nd suggestion?
November 21st, 2009 at 8:55 pmThen you won’t have to worry about how dumb you think the 3rd one is?????
I’m sorry if I missread your comments, but these are where I got the feeling you thought i/we were mad that we lost the election
Post 388:IF you WON THE ELECTION I would live with it
Post 267:NO that ISNT the problem it is EXACTLY that they are just punking out because they LOST THE ELECTION and arent getting their way
I wont bring it up again.
As far as the profanity, that is fine, until someone makes swearing illegal it is your right to say whatever you wish.
I simply asked, while explaining my reasons for asking. I did not tell you to do anything.
My bringing up for the comment on political rallies was to illistrate that there are Far much worse ways of inciting public riot, and those aswell as this sign are fully legal and the right of those posting/yelling/preaching/dancing should be protected.
My tone is a reflection of what I wish to gain here and what people have asked for, which is an intelligent, rational conversation to express views, rather than a yelling hate fest. If you wish me to start yelling, swearing and saying things without explanation or backing then I apologize, but you’re not going to get it. you can call me smug, stuck up, or a ‘brainwashed pile of dogs**t’ the same as a 12 yearold student might. I prefer to talk and reason like an adult.
@blackdog.
November 21st, 2009 at 9:14 pmA further addendum of my statement. I believe that people as a whole need to be able to have logical rationalization, but with moral backing to there decisions. Human society is a very complex system, and in that system there are subsystems based wholly off of logic, such as money, trade, service. Messing with certain systems with a reaction and rationalization that is based off of a gut reaction can usually cause more harm than good. I offer as a scenario a man lost at sea. this man may be dieing of dehydration, to that person the emotional response to this would be to drink the water all around them. This is obviously a bad move logically due to the fact the water contains salt, and will only hasten his death. We must think not only of now, but of the future generations. Especially with law and derivation of power very small changes can have huge changes later. We owe it to all of our children and each other to be as sure as possible of the future implications of what we do now.
Master
Yes you misunderstood. That is easy to do. There are no facial clues or vocal inflections to make clearer what is said. I thought what I had been talking about was clear. I NEVER said anything about MOST of those who disagree with Obama. I was talking about the very people we had been talking about. Like those who put up signs like in the topic.
I dont CARE. Swear, be reasonable, whatever. I have a low tolerance to being talked down to. I respond to what I see. When you are reasonable I will be too but I call them in the way I see them. I see you parroting things that make no sense and couldnt possibly be come up with logically but are repeated endlessly by rightwing screechmonkeys I am going to say it is indicative of brainwashing.
I NEVER called you any such thing as an ignorant pile of dogshit. That is something I do to trolls, here only to annoy and attack us with no interest in an actual discussion. You have not in any way acted that way. I dont know why you would take a post of mine to someone else and take it personally. Frankly it doesnt make sense.
You didnt BRING UP political rallies, you told me I should go to one as if it would be some epiphany for me. Something I had never experienced. Actually you are mistaken. Inciting a riot IS against the law. That is without dispute. So if they are effectivly inciting a riot they ARE breaking the law. I would be opposed to anyone being charged with such a crime for making a political speech in which they did not specifically advocate being violent right then but it IS illegal. I said the argument could be made. I wouldnt agree with it. If I havent already said so I think this billboard while astonishingly ignorant is free speech. As is our right to criticize it harshly
November 21st, 2009 at 11:26 pmOk, as much as I’d like to let this discussion die here as we both reach the same conclusion that this sign whatever the message has the right to be seen. I would like to know which parts of what I’ve said dong make sense. I will admit that I ask this not because I want to educate, but more I’m curious what I am conveying poorly and would like to have another prospective which may challenge me to rethink my particular stance.
I would like to thank you however as you’ve given me the most feedback, regardless of how either of us feel on the topic this I respect your willingness to put forth your argument/opinion and do appreciate it. It does tend to get a bit heated in online forums especially where the context of the person as well as showing of facial/physical cues to help discern the overall message trying to be conveyed.
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:10 am…..is not easily shown. (sorry hit submit before was done with my sentence, lol)
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:12 am“Live free or die”?
Um, that’s New Hampshire’s state motto, rednecks…
YOURS is “Show me,” as in “show me how to think before I post up a billboard based on dishonesty.”
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:22 ammastershinken says:
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@all that say this is beyond freedom of speach for trying to get people to rage out….All of these are calling for action that could cause riots, but as long as noone actualy breaks a law and hurts someone, then they are free to picket, hold signs, yell and dance all they want. you may not agree with the message, but you have no right to take away there right to say it.
Try again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incitement
If even one person takes up the billboard author’s advice, the billboard author gets to go to jail. For that reason alone, the billboard should be taken down.
It’s one thing to advocating protesting. That’s fine. It’s quite another to advocate breaking the law.
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:54 amMaster
What doesnt make sense is what I TOLD you didnt make sense. You accusing me of calling you an ignorant pile of dogshit because I posted it to someone ELSE. I dont know how much clearer I could have been. What you said that is clear brainwashing is that Congressmen are voting on a bill and dont know whats in it and that the CBO might be telling us what it cost when the people dont know whats in it when THE BILL IS ONLINE RIGHT NOW. Anyone can go read the text on the internet. This is a LIE. It cannot be taken seriously and only by listening to rightwing screechmonkeys LIE to you could you be repeating it
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:26 amWhat are you people scared of? You may want to read your history books how our country was put together…..Left wing wimps who want the feds. to do everything for you….Talk about a bunch of screechmonkeys, what a bunch of fools on the left….
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:04 amIf we as a people fail to speak out for the millions currently being bombed, maimed, tortured and jailed without recourse in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, and even here on the meaner streets of our own country, we become complicit in the dismantling of our democratic republic.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:49 amWe may think we can hide behind well-rehearsed defenses about national security and American exceptionalism. But the truth is that if the constitution has no meaning, neither does the American republic.
In the words of Benjamin Franklin, “Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.”
Diablo
Why are morons like YOU so proud of your abject stupidity. What is it about COWARDcons like YOU that you spew your brainwashed stupidity as IF it were in any way connected to reality. Our country was ‘put together’ by fighting a revolution against a MONARCHY when we were a COlONY you MORON. You whiny punks are just snivelling because you LOST THE ELECTION. Americans dont want to do things your way anymore so you throw hissy fits like the ignorant, petulant PUNKS you are. STFU till you grow up
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:51 amdiablo
Astonishingly. I pretty much agree with your second post
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:53 amThis is SPOT ON !!!
The bellyachers that don’t like it are just, plain, Perfect-Examples of what the Socialized & Liberalized Federal Department of Education has designed to produce !!
The current administration is, systematically, bankrupting this (once-GREAT) Nation !
… just like the one before (King George V);
… and like the one before it (Willie-Boy & Mamma);
… and like the one before it (King George IV);
… and like the one before it (Ronnie Ray-Gun);
… and the ALL-TIME one before that (The Peanut King).
“IF” we cold wrangle our Federal Government back within the boundaries of our U.S. Constitution (what an “IF”)… our government would be about 1/4 its present size and cost about 1/5 as much to operate !!
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:03 pmThe Government is out of control. We need to reign them in peacefully (elections) before it’s too late. I see nothing on that billboard that would advocate hurting the current President, I don’t know where you guys are getting that.
The Constitution was written to reign in the government, not to reign in the Citizenry. We are in charge, they work for us. Wake up America!
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:07 pmThe Government is out of control. We need to reign them in peacefully (elections) before it’s too late. I see nothing on that billboard that would advocate hurting the current President, I don’t know where you guys are getting that.
The Constitution was written to reign in the government, not to reign in the Citizenry. We are in charge, they work for us. Wake up America!
Noooo its more of an implied threat. As for the Constitution reigning in the government, not citizens, it actually has the power to do both. We are guaranteed certain rights,like freedom of speech, and a government that’s not all-powerful, but we also have the reponsibility to protect these rights and make sure that the rights of other people aqren’t trampled on. Also, freedom of sppech only goes so far; you cant yell “fire” in a crowded movie theatre, for example ( I know that this analogy has been used millions of times, but it’s still pretty accurate).
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:18 pmHow much of a DIRECT THREAT TO THE PEOPLE is a government that has built hundreds of concentration camps right here in our own country to house political dissidents? How much of a DIRECT THREAT TO THE PEOPLE is a government that labels those who want to see the US Constitution obeyed as potential “domestic terrorists”? What kind of a government would put over 1 million of its own citizens on a “no-fly” list without any justification or means for them to contest this ruling?
I could go on and on, but the point is hopefully made. Although these policies started under the Bush administration, the Obama administration is doing nothing to reverse them. This is why I believe the billboard is fully justifiable. It could just as easily have been put up when Bush was in office. It says nothing about Obama, so why all the fuss from you liberals? Any government that would implement such policies is clearly not a government “of, by, and for the people”, and everyone in this country should be extremely alarmed.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:40 pm“Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.”-Thomas Jefferson: Declaration of Independence, 1776.
funny how this and other such libertarian statements based in truth have been “voted down”. this is very telling of the state of this so called nation, “America”.
i’m definitely NOT a Republicrat/Demopublican. regardless, it strikes me as very foolish to call this action by a bunch of potential hypocrites as “treasonous”, while the current administration continues a VERY LONG line of Constitutional violations committed by the previous administration, and the one before that, and the one before that, and so on…
seems like Americans should be smarter than this! oh well, there’s your public school system and mainstream media indoctrination for ya! enjoy it all while it lasts, which shouldn’t be all that much longer as the new batch of fools goes and passes government/corporate controlled “health care”, running deficits beyond any hope of returning to a sound economy, ever! LOL! 8-)
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:30 pmWOW!! I never thought I would come across a web site so full of moronic, ignorant, petulant, egoflatulent anti-American jerkoffs, commies, socialists, zionics, and subversives, who have yet to read the Constitution ONCE, which protects them from corrupt, runaway, compromised, tyranical, despotic, rapinous, globalist, and traitorous nation destroyers, like the commie-zionists who implanted and illegal alien in the White House with rigged Mossad tallies, secret computer software, NO ballots, and traitor MSM, and have parasitized CONgre$$ for israhell for decades! Great sign! The Sheeple is finally AWAKE!
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:00 amWhile I’m waiting for some kind of response, I would like to make a couple of observations. Although I was born into a conservative Republican family, from earliest memory I’ve always had liberal political leanings. I grew up in Birmingham, AL during the 1960’s and marched on the streets of Birmingham for civil rights at that time. I protested the war in Vietnam in Washington DC in 1969. I voted for McGovern in 1972 and have voted straight Democratic ever since.
Until last year, that is. It wasn’t so much Obama that I was opposed to (I did NOT vote for McCain – I voted for Chuck Baldwin), it was the whole Democratic Party that I have been increasingly disgusted with since the 2004 election. John Kerry had any number of opportunities to absolutely ANNIHILATE Bush during the 2004 Presidential debates, but he wimped out of ALL of them. It had been well established by then that Bush lied us into the war in Iraq, through disclosure of the Downing Street memos. It was also well established that torture of prisoners was going on in Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay and elsewhere. The Valerie Plame outing was in the news. But Kerry chose NOT to pursue ANY of these very serious issues in the debates. I was totally disgusted with him. I was also disgusted with how the DNC let Bush get by with yet another stolen election without so much as a peep of complaint.
In September of 2005, Bush left tens of thousands of low-income New Orleans residents almost die of dehydration by repeatedly blocking all attempts to bring bottled water to them after Katrina struck and the levies broke. Yeah this was plenty bad, damn those Republicans, but where did the Democrats actually try to hold any of them accountable? Where were the Democrats everytime a vote for additional funding for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan came up? If anything, they consistently INCREASED the funds Bush had requested that they provide. All the while, NO action was taken by the Democrats to reign in the power of an out-of-control Executive department. By the summer of 2006, after Nancy Pelosi said that impeachment was “off the table” should the Dems take the House in November, I had had absolutely ALL I could take!
It’s one thing for you liberals to bash Bush. That was eminently easy to do. It’s quite another thing for you to sit nonchalantly back when your party of choice does NOTHING to stop him, though! What difference do you honestly expect the Dems would make when they have consistently floundered at any sense of being a genuine opposition party for the past 8 years?
That is why, in my opinion, the liberals are even stupider than the flag-waving neo-cons were. You aren’t connected with reality, you’re living in a dreamlike world of complete denial. NOTHING of any substance has changed since Obama took office. Rather than at least be making preparations to pull all our forces out of Iraq and Afghanistan, he’s preparing to send 40,000 MORE there. Where is the outrage about this? Where is the outrage about his expanding Bush’s domestic wire-tapping program? Where is the outrage about his appointing dozens of corporate lobbyists as unconstitutional “czars” now? This and much more. Are you going to let him get away with it simply because you voted for him, and he’s BLACK? How would these policies be any worse if he were white and his name was George Bush? Is one’s skin color the only thing that’s important to you? How is this not in itself a racist attitude?
This is why I no longer consider myself to be a liberal. I am totally disgusted with liberals. You don’t do a damned thing to put pressure on your own party to correct the obvious glaring faults of the other party. In so doing, you are allowing both parties to be essentially the same. And what do you gain from this? Absolutely nothing.
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:20 amThe billboard is reflective of our Constitutional Rights as Americans. We have a right to resist any dictatorship (socialism/Communism/marxism or Obamaism).
Second Amendment to the United States Constitution
The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that protects a right to keep and bear arms.[1] The Second Amendment was adopted on December 15, 1791, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights. The American Bar Association has noted that there is more disagreement and less understanding about this right than of any other current issue regarding the Constitution.[2]
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.[61]
One aspect of the gun control debate is the conflict between gun control laws and the alleged right to rebel against unjust governments. Some believe that the framers of the Bill of Rights sought to balance not just political power, but also military power, between the people, the states and the nation,[44] as Alexander Hamilton explained in 1788:
[I]f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude[,] that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens.[44][45]
Some scholars have said that it is wrong to read a right of armed insurrection in the Second Amendment because clearly the founding fathers sought to place trust in the power of the ordered liberty of democratic government versus the anarchy of insurrectionists.[46][47] Other scholars, such as Glenn Reynolds, contend that the framers did believe in an individual right to armed insurrection.
The latter scholars cite examples, such as the Declaration of Independence (describing in 1776 “the Right of the People to … institute new Government”) and the New Hampshire Constitution (stating in 1784 that “nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind”).[48]
There was an ongoing debate in the 1780s about “the people” fighting governmental tyranny (as described by Anti-Federalists); or the risk of mob rule of “the people” (as described by the Federalists) related to the ongoing revolution in France.[49] A widespread fear, during the debates on the ratification of the Constitution, was the possibility of a military takeover of the states by the federal government, which could happen if the Congress passed laws prohibiting states from arming citizens,[50] prohibiting citizens from arming themselves[35] or the federal government prohibiting the southern tradition of using their state militia for slave control.[31]
The Congress shall have power to … provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; … (12) To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years; (13) To provide and maintain a navy; (14) To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces; (15) To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions; (16) To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress.
In the United States, the Bill of Rights is the term for the first ten amendments to the United States Constitution. These amendments explicitly limit the Federal government’s powers, protecting the rights of the people by preventing Congress from abridging freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, freedom of religious worship, and the right to bear arms, preventing unreasonable search and seizure, cruel and unusual punishment, and self-incrimination, and guaranteeing due process of law and a speedy public trial with an impartial jury. In addition, the Bill of Rights states that “the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people,” and reserves all powers not specifically granted to the Federal government to the citizenry or States. These amendments came into effect on December 15, 1791, when ratified by three-fourths of the States.
The Bill of Rights is the third of the three Charters of Freedom along with the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added; And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.
Article the first. …. After the first enumeration required by the first article of the Constitution, there shall be one Representative for every 30,000 until the number shall amount to 100, after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall be not less than 100 Representatives, nor less than one Representative for every 40,000 persons, until the number of Representatives shall amount to 200; after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall not be less than 200 Representatives, nor more than one Representative for every 50,000 persons.
Article the second … No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.
Article the third …… Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Article the fourth….. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Article the eleventh …. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights#Amendment_II
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:37 amTo put what corkietw quoted in my own terms, if in fact our government IS to be one “of, by, and for the people”, then that government has NO business infringing on the right of the people to “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”. Any government which would construct FEMA detention facilities to inter its own citizens has ipso facto declared itself to be a rogue government not in the least bit interested in preserving these fundamental rights of its own citizenry, i.e. our government is setting itself up to be a dictatorial police state. This is an unofficial declaration of war by our government on the people of this country, and the people of this country have every right to defend themselves by whatever means possible from such a dictatorial usurpation of the natural, God-given right of the people to determine their own destiny. Why this is so hard for “liberals” to understand is totally beyond me.
So the billboard is simply stating the obvious. We have a government that is NOT responsive to the wishes of its people on any number of issues, and yet we are paying taxes to support it. This literally is “taxation without representation”. Unless things radically change by booting the incumbents out in the next election cycle, there WILL BE WAR here in this country. It will not be forced by the people, however. It will be forced by a tyrannical, out-of-control government that is no longer responsive to the needs and wishes of its own citizenry.
November 23rd, 2009 at 8:34 amThe Secret Rendition Prison policy – I am starting to re-think it.
November 23rd, 2009 at 9:56 amI keep reading references here about this billboard advocating “armed revolution” and “violence”… I don’t quite see that. I see an advance for a revolution through less earning/less taxation (Starve the beast) and VOTING out incumbents. Hardly a “violent” revolution.
If you want to make a point, don’t be imbeciles about it.
November 23rd, 2009 at 11:32 amYou’re missing the idea that the gov’t was already taken over by those who have overthrown and abused and violated the constitution…and declared war on the people… which provides for the people to take it back.
Where were you when worse things were being said about the past dictator?
Not a peep.
Progressives are ruining the country.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:09 pmI would like to ask, especially the folks who commented in the beginning of this comment posting – “What planet are you from” ? Have you even read your history about how this is a government for, and of, the people ???
You MUST know that our country in run by criminals, and greedy self-agrandizing morons who are intent on destroying our once wonderful country. It, then, falls upon the people to do whatever is necessary to re-gain control of our country from these criminal and corrupted politicians and other New World DisOrder types before the kill us or turn us all into slaves, et al. Are you happy with that Mr. & Mrs. Brain-Dead ???? Open your eyes for crying out loud !!!
We, the people of this country, are not satisfied with losing our sovereignty or our hard-fought freedoms and liberties to these Nazi-like idiots in the District of Corruption – How about you wake up and get a little more responsible about your civic duties. If the government foments tyranny, they we have a responsibility to fight this monster, as Americans. Just like our forefathers did !!Geeze !!!
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:17 pmWhoever put that billboard up has the right idea. Here are words from a wise man.
“Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established, should not be changed for light and transient causes; and, accordingly, all experience [has] shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But, when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce [the people] under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.” –Thomas Jefferson: Declaration of Independence, 1776. ME 1:29, Papers 1:429
November 23rd, 2009 at 9:01 pmWhen our government thinks its primary duty is to “distribute the wealth”, i.e. take it from one citizen and give it to another, then eventually, if not stopped, it WILL lead to revolution. So, those of you who love what is going on in America, what is the amount of taxes to be taken from the rich that is fair? Can anyone give me a number? 50%, 60%, 80%? What’s the number? At what point does someone push back and say STOP. If you keep taking money from the producers in society and give it to the non producers, pretty soon the producers will stop working and join your ranks because the motive for hard work has been taken away along with liberty, i.e. the freedom to keep the fruits of your labor.
November 23rd, 2009 at 9:24 pm@21:
November 24th, 2009 at 11:17 amYou made a pretty strong case FOR the billboard. Name one thing in your post that has actually changed for the better under Obama… You might read post #430.
It cracks me up how many people think “the government” really cares about you. Sure there are few individuals like Kucinich and Paul who are real people who actually care for their fellow human beings, but the vast majority of them fit Orwell’s depiction of “oligarchal collectivism” to a “T”…
(btw… Orwell was a founding member of the Fabian Socialist Society, circa 1884. He tried to warn us…)
November 24th, 2009 at 11:36 amI have to admit I find it somewhat ironic how everyone here who is critical of this billboard is talking exactly the way King George III of England surely did when handed a copy of the Declaration of Independence by the American colonists.
It’s sad how our position changes once “we” become the ones who have power.
November 24th, 2009 at 9:26 pm@ 408. blackdog says:
@396 thank you virtual pebble for the lesson in correct writing
@401 thank you virtual pebble for the lesson in history
Clearly you believe so much in your intelligence and by putting holes in other’s ideas, you don’t have to look at the truth in what they say.
Reminds me of my inflated self 40 years ago arguing with a Communist in Florence at a demonstration.
Clearly truth exists somewhere. But for people to be locked into the “mind” as I see in your comments to me, and as I was commenting on regarding the posts, one will find themselves unable to act effectively (with wisdom) in any situation.
Mostly all the rantings against the “sign” could be summed up in “It scares me”.
A person not held hostage by his “minds” beliefs would start from there to get to the truth. A person separated from the truth and allied with his “mind” would become a prisoner of his intellectual justifications of his positions.
November 21st, 2009 at 6:19 pm
re: my comment at #396. I didn’t realize that you’d composed the “revolution” line on the billboard, blackdog. that was the subject of my comment, not either of your preceding comments. Or perhaps there’s some other reason for your taking offense at 396?
I may or may not be aware of the truth in what you said that provoked my comment at #401. Regardless of that, you’ll find that I am occasionally a stickler, somewhat fussy, about matters of fact. The phrase “millions of Jews went to their deaths in Germany” fudges certain aspects of that historical reality; if I were to assume that you do know something of the history of those events, I still would have been inclined to ding you for smudging the facts. Sure, most people know what you mean, as do I, but that kind of expository writing leaves holes that can plague the rest of us, particularly with respect to certain nit-picking trolls.
As for your comment, “And also thought about the 9/11 flight were(sic) a few fought back against terrorist, would you have sat in your seat while others acted?“, how the hell would I know, blackdog? I’ve been around long enough to know how some people would like to think they would behave in such circumstances. I know how I think I ought to behave in such a situation. I might even follow through that way; OTOH, I might not. You don’t find out until you get cornered that way. You also can’t rule out the fact that the physical stress of an event like that can put some people out of the game entirely; heart attack or stroke from a jolt of adrenalin and fear. It’s an interesting subject for conjecture, but is it fruitful? I’m more inclined to a certain pragmatism – how do you prevent that sort of thing from happening? how do you keep people from getting in that kind of jam in the first place? And I don’t mean just the narrow little box of keeping box cutters out of airplanes; I mean that whole cultural complex that has produced alQaeda and suicide bombers, American boots on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan, etc etc.
November 25th, 2009 at 1:58 amI would like to extend a heartfelt invitation to citizen_pain to trundle his butt to Las Vegas. I’ll gladly meet this fool face to face to see what kind of bodily harm he thinks he can do. Obviously none of you has actually READ the billboard because there are TWO options before the “prepare for war” comment. Some of you idiots have commented about voters doing their job and that is Number 2 on the list. So all of you can take your “shock” and put it where only a proctologist can find it. It won’t be lonely because you’ll need that doctor to find your heads.
November 25th, 2009 at 8:02 amReasonable:
November 25th, 2009 at 10:18 amObama has NO desire to take from the upper-income brackets other than to let the Bush-era tax cuts expire so we can pay for healthcare reform. I’ve heard that argument that taking money from the people who work and giving money to the one’s that don’t work is bad because no one will want to work at least 5million times (my dad is a huge libertarian/conservative). Your argument that taxing the producers of society to the point where they wouldn’t want to continue working would be valid if people didn’t have other reasons for continuing to work, like enjoying their jobs and their benefits. Sweden is the closest thing there is to a socialist system, i.e. taxes in the %60’s or %70’s, but the people there still tend to have a standard of living that is comprable or maybe a little bit higher than what we have here.
Absolutely amazing….gotta love it
November 25th, 2009 at 1:51 pmpretty soon all you libs/commies or whatever you decide to call yourselves this month, will be irrelevant
you always forget the opposition has all the guns
and exactly when did it become treasonous to stand up for Liberty….??
oh, that’s right, i remember now, when the tyrants decided it was….
This Billboard hits the nail on the head! You retards out there that have been putting your faith in one party or another are the problem! For so long the Dems and Rebs have gotten this country to where it is now! No other! and guess what??? We are 12 trillion in debt!! Not climbing out of that! America is done, stick a fork in it! No jobs are been created! Stupid wars chasin False Boogy men.. Bailouts for Banks that caused the crisis we have with the Economy. The American people are waking up fast and there will be a Revolt against the Government. Because the Government isn’t doing Jack S#it for Joe 6 pack! Wake up clowns.. The only Allegence you should have is to the bill of rights and the Constitution! Not some political party that got us in this mess!
November 25th, 2009 at 2:26 pmTHIS is interesting: The early comments support the billboard (go to the bottom and see for yourself) while all the later ones are shocked and appalled by it.
Personally, I want one of these billboards for my town.
(7.8 million pink slips sent to Congress to date WND.com)
November 25th, 2009 at 7:04 pmMuch of what we see as “news” in mainstream media these days is questionable, confusing, misleading, divisive–and often a cover-up for behind-the-scenes dirty dealing, secrecy and general taking of the control of “our” government from us.
9/11 was an American coup.
A Jewish crime network did 911
Rabbi Dov Zakheim was comptroller at the Pentagon at the time when Don Rumsfeld announced the Pentagon was missing $2.3 trillion dollars in allocations.
Over 30 high level government operatives hold dual US/Israeli citizenship.
AIPAC and ADL have way too much influence on our Congress. These same people have nearly total control of mainstream media.
It takes a special emotional courage to look at this evidence.
Watch these videos: 911 MISSING LINKS, THE CALLING We live in a MATRIX. NETWORK (1976) makes clear the control of media which now is steered by the same ruthless monsters who coordinated and covered-up 9/11.
God help us.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:11 amAbsolutely amazing….gotta love it
pretty soon all you libs/commies or whatever you decide to call yourselves this month, will be irrelevant
you always forget the opposition has all the guns
and exactly when did it become treasonous to stand up for Liberty….??
oh, that’s right, i remember now, when the tyrants decided it was….
November 26th, 2009 at 3:13 pmDepends on your definition of liberty. Yes, people do have the right to protest what they feel are “unlawful” actions committed by an elected official, however they also have the responsibility to make sure that by “protesting”, that they are not infringing on the rights of other people or sparking a riot. I’ll be the 1st to admit that there is a fine line between expressing a legitimate opinion and inciting rebellion, and that this line can be interpreted differently depending on whoever is in charge.
Besides, this sign is so ridiculous that there’s really no reason for us “libs” to really get too upset about it. If anything, it’s so far to the right and full of paranoia that it’s more laughable than anything else. I am worried, though about the people who might actually believe this billboard and start doing what it suggests. Poor misled sheeple!
November 26th, 2009 at 3:20 pmHey lokidog and EnnuiDivine you assume someone COULD hurt your ‘Communist-in-Chief’ – who community organized for an organization founded by Saul Alinsky – the IAF (Industrial Areas Foundation) as MOST of you Communist Libs are in DENIAL that Obama & Hillary both idolize Alinsky – whose own words in the foreward of his book ‘Rules for Radicals’ tell us what Obama & Hillary are ALL ABOUT…
Because Saul Alinsky dedicated his life and teachings to who he called the ULTIMATE ‘Community Organizer’ – Lucifer !!!
So just ask yourselves lokidog, EnnuiDivine and the rest of you ‘Anal Retential’ in DENIAL Democrats/Communist – WHY after living in Washington D.C. for over a year now since ACORN & SEIU used FRAUDULENT VOTES to give your Kenyan pretender the chance to illegally occupy the Whitehouse…
…WHY your phony POS ‘Messiah’ can choose a dog for his ‘pseudo-family’ – but still AFTER MORE THAN A YEAR – can’t choose a place to worship ???
Add that to the FACT that Obama FORCED Georgetown University in April & Notre Dame in June to REMOVE ALL CRUCIFIXES & RELIGIOUS SYMBOLS from the area he was speaking !!!
Gee Libs, so either your phony ‘Messiah’ is either a Muslim – whose afraid to show Americans where he might worship – or he’s of the DEVIL & can’t be hurt !!!!
November 26th, 2009 at 4:55 pmMarxism is a Jewish-sponsored phenomenon of control of the masses. Study the history of Jewish-sponsored overthrow of Russian Czar family and installation of communism. Stalin and Lenin, who committed mass genocides, were Jews.
Who own/control Hollywood? Who own mainstream media? Do you believe everything mainstream media says?
If Obama is anything, he is Jewish–or highly deferential to Zionism. The evidence includes:
1) appointment of Rham Emanuel as White House Chief of Staff (dual national Israeli/US citizen, formerly served in Israeli army
2) his promises to AIPAC in a speech before the election
3) policies that are deferential to Israel–even in the face of crimes against humanity committed by Israel
The canard that Obama is Muslim is a smoke screen. And the sheeple accept the false labeling.
A Jewish crime network did 911
November 27th, 2009 at 10:42 amRID THIS ZOG OR ELSE!!!
November 27th, 2009 at 12:00 pmConspiracy,Conspiracy,Conspiracy…. There is this Country, it’s called to mass Dumbing that this country has and is experiencing at this very moment in time. We need to unit as a population cast every politician aside, and start all over again. government is just a puppet for a bigger government that is self appointed and hell bent on either ruling us or destroying us if we resist. Resist we must, this country is being divided in the name of RACISM, F*** that I love this country. Half my family was here in America before Europeans, the other half came in the first ships that landed in Jamestown by the Virginia Tobacco Co. way back then. Don’t tell me if we’re not happy with this government that I should leave this country. The Constitution of the United States plain in Old English states that the ” The People of the country have an obligation to shake things up with a revolution in this country that is the only way that you can keep an honest government, this is why they wrote in the 2nd amendment, so that if we are not happy we can stand in from of the White House with our guns in hand and say GET OUT…
November 27th, 2009 at 12:17 pm@ 455. whole2th says: Marxism is a Jewish-sponsored phenomenon of control of the masses. Study the history of Jewish-sponsored overthrow of Russian Czar family and installation of communism. Stalin and Lenin, who committed mass genocides, were Jews. … If Obama is anything, he is Jewish … A Jewish crime network did 911 November 27th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Oh, indeed, hole2ter, them danged Joos is the essential ingredient to success in so many things. Cain’t have you a decent picnic out there on the NE European steppe withouten some Joos; cain’t cook up a proper holocaustic BBQ and put on a Shoah withouten some Joos.
Cain’t do no movies with throwen a Joo or two in the projector sprockets for lube. Right?
And banks don’t run right without some Joos. Fergit them old line tighty whitey limey Brits or them mustache sniffin’ Frogs or those sneaky Swissies – only a Joo will do.
But, frack, hole2ter, most of all, we cain’t have us a heap o’ Armageddon withouten an Israel chock full o’ Joos.
So just remember, hole2ter, we’re all just a bunch of puny butt incompetents that couldn’t screw up a wet dream without our Joos. Theys the only ones who can get the job done. No one else has the chops.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:56 pm