27 Reasons To Give Thanks
27 Reasons To Give Thanks
We’re thankful President Obama is thinking long and hard about committing more troops and money to Afghanistan.
We’re thankful President Bush feels liberated now.
We’re (not) thankful Dick Cheney has elected to move from his undisclosed location to the media spotlight.
We’re thankful Al Franken has gone from playing self-help guru Stuart Smalley on Saturday Night Live to helping rape victims receive justice from their employers.
We’re thankful for the healing power of beer.
We’re thankful there are some on the right who think Glenn Beck is “incoherent,” “mindless,” “erratic,” “bizarre,” and “harmful to the conservative movement.”
We’re thankful for long hikes on the Appalachian Trail.
We’re thankful Michael Steele understands that he can’t “do policy” and that no one has any reason to trust his “words or actions.”
We’re (not) thankful for “birthers,” “deathers,” “tenthers,” or “tea baggers.”
We’re (not) thankful conservatives believe they love America so much that they can root for our President to fail and for our nation to lose out on hosting the Olympics.
We’re thankful NFL players refused to “bend over and grab the ankles” for Rush Limbaugh.
We’re thankful six companies have resigned from the Chamber of Commerce due to its denial of climate change science.
We’re thankful Falcon “Balloon boy” Heene wasn’t actually in the balloon.
We’re thankful Lt. Dan Choi and Lt. Col Victor Fehrenbach bravely spoke out against Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.
We’re thankful Shep Smith doesn’t always drink the Fox News kool-aid.
We’re thankful more than 80 companies refused to lend their sponsorship to Glenn Beck’s hateful rants.
We’re thankful there are progressive organizations in D.C. lobbying for a two-state solution in the Middle East.
We’re (not) thankful for the filibuster.
We’re thankful that more than 20,000 of you stood up to Bill O’Reilly’s harassment machine and called for impeachment hearings against torture advocate Jay Bybee.
We’re thankful that Iran’s authoritarian rulers live in fear of their own population.
We’re thankful we’ll no longer have to listen to nativist rhetoric on CNN and global warming skepticism on ABC News.
We’re (not) thankful for bailed out CEOs who think they’re doing “God’s work” by doling out billions in bonuses.
We’re thankful for the legacy of the Liberal Lion.
We’re thankful Bill O’Reilly won’t be following us home for Thanksgiving.
We’e thankful a “wise Latina” sits on the Supreme Court.
We’re thankful our boss helped rescue imprisoned American journalists in North Korea.
We’re also very thankful to have the support of readers like you! What are you thankful for? Let us know in the comments section.
Happy Thanksgiving!
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I’m thankful for my wonderful family and our new little addition, who brings smiles to everyone who sees him.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:04 amI’m thankful for our health.
I’m thankful we finally have someone rational, dignified and intelligent in the White House, who can put a sentence together and make sense.
I’m thankful for thinkprogress and the work you do each day to bring some sanity to a nation that has lost its way.
I’m thankful Lou Dobbs got the boot at CNN, even if it was a very expensive boot.
I’m also thankful for the healing power of beer. And college football. ROLL TIDE!
I’m thankful for the folks here at Think Progress and Progressive Talk Radio.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:09 amI am thankful for the diversity of life.
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Thousands-sea-species-discovered/ss/events/sc/112309seaspecies
November 26th, 2009 at 9:21 amI’m thankful for the Center for American Progress and the hard work you all do and the results and headway I think you’re making. Keep it up!
November 26th, 2009 at 9:23 amI’m thankful to have a job that I love when there are so many people who don’t
November 26th, 2009 at 9:25 amI am thankful for the opportunity to get an education (no matter the cost)
I am thankful to have such a supportive and loving family
I am thankful to have ThingProgress to bring me my news!
I’m thankful that all of you (most of you) are in this fight to stand up for the average American and are not a corporate pawn, tea bagger, or right wing zombie.
Lets enjoy a day of sharing with family and friends and pick up the banner again tomorrow.
Please don’t forget those who are less fortunate than us and especially our troops overseas.
Peace
November 26th, 2009 at 9:29 amIm thankful that I never had to experience the feeling of going hungry. There are alot of our fellow Americans that do go hungry. I encourage all to donate to your local food bank.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:43 amHave a good one all.
I’m thankful for the Center for American Progress for creating this wonderful forum.
Thankful for the health and (relative) happiness of family and friends.
Thankful for the (relatively) competent administration now occupying the White House.
Thankful for so many things.
And thankful for our many trolls, who provide a good laugh and an easy target for massive verbal abuse. You guys/gals rock!
November 26th, 2009 at 9:45 amI’m just thankful in general. Happy Day everyone!
November 26th, 2009 at 9:47 amLike Zxbe says I’m just Thankful in general, me too…Gobble Gobble
Also, I’m defintitely Thankful for Center for American Progress
November 26th, 2009 at 9:56 amI’m thankful for folks like Tracy (above) who serve as a reminder that we must ever be vigilant, lest conservatives the likes of Rush, Sarah and Glen get control of our government.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:57 amI’m thankful for freedom of speech, and thought, even when it’s used by idiots (see post 7).
November 26th, 2009 at 9:58 amI’m grateful to Rush, Sarah and Glenn for making America conservative again.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:58 am—
Some when exactly did America stop being conservative and when in your opinion did these folks restart it? I mean you must have assumed I would ask this…
Thankful for the progressive movement…
November 26th, 2009 at 10:02 ambecause if our ancestors were conservative we’d still be living in caves.
We surround you.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:03 am— “Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right…”
I’m thankful for the vote down feature which helps control people with delusions of grandeur.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:05 amI don’t see any major reason to vote down our friend. It isn’t like they are being obnoxious. but anyway back to this list.
I am thankful for migratory birds.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:06 amDo the trolls ever take a day off.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:08 amI am very, very, very thankful that “W” and his cohorts are no longer in power. Very.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:08 amI am thankful we have Keith and Rachel to counter balance the lies on Fox “News” at the same time.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:12 amOur founding fathers first celebrated Thanksgiving to give thanks for our first victory over the indians. There will be many more victories to come!
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November 26th, 2009 at 10:12 amCan you do me a solid and try not to be ridiculous right after I tried to give you a nod? Thanks-
I am thankful for one more day to say, Peace, Blessings & Joy to all…
November 26th, 2009 at 10:12 amWe’ve read your manifesto. We’re not impressed.
Thanks for playing.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:12 amI’m thankful for all my own comforts and my dear family and friends. I’m also thankful for Center for American Progress and for this outlet. If I didn’t have this venue to let off steam sometimes, I might be dangerous or at least a social hazard…
And, yay 16! Some of them are still from caves…
November 26th, 2009 at 10:14 amTracy__5 says:
The Republican heartland surrounds the liberal coasts! Praise be to our logic-defying Klein Nation!
November 26th, 2009 at 10:17 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I am thankful that TP doesn’t seem to be bothered by the Privacy Center…
November 26th, 2009 at 10:24 amThanksgiving is a MEAT EATING holiday. That leaves you and your friends at peta out. Enjoy your tofu.
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November 26th, 2009 at 10:25 amActually we started the morning with lobster, goat cheese omelletes…. So let’s see that’s goat. chickens, and crustaceans right?
I am thankful for waking up this morning.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:25 amAl Franken
November 26th, 2009 at 10:27 amTwenty years ago today my (then) 2-year old daughter Sara was on life support at Stony Brook University Hospital in NY.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:30 amI’m grateful for the wonderful medical staff who, collectively, saved her life. I’m grateful for Sara’s good health since. I’m grateful for the health of my son Zack. I’m grateful for the people who care about me.
Happy Thanksgiving to all !!!
I’m thankful that, like most things, trolls are in the mind of the beholder.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:30 amLobster? Goat cheese? That’s the way the french celebrate Thanksgiving
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Oysters are next… I suppose you deep fry the turkey….
I’m thankful that America has rejected gopigs, teabagging hicks, and conservatism. Amen.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:42 amI am thankful and grateful for Moose Boogers and the sht flinging Baboon Beck.
Their comedy routines and recent book signing charades represent perfectly the current state of the gNOpigs as aimless, stupid, ignorant zombies being led by charlatans with lipstick and fake tears.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:43 amTracy, What do you get out of coming here and showcasing your stupidity? Dont you have a corner that you have to go and work at? See how ridiculous my comment is, thats the kind of crap we get from you wingnuts all the time. Now go spend some time with your family and be thankful that a moron doesnt occupy the whitehouse anymore.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:45 amI wish everyone a day of family, feast and fun.
I am thankful that we can have a feast today.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:45 amI am thankful for my “cyber-friends” here at TP and for all the work done by TP and the CAP.
I am thankful for an unselfish president who is intelligent and pragmatic; whom I may not always agree with, but I have no doubt that he intends to do the best for our nation, here at home and internationally.
I am thankful for the glimmers of hope on the economic scene.
I am thankful that my son has found a good job after nearly a year.
I am thankful for a year of good health, and wish the same for all of you.
Good morning, comrades!
I’m very thankful that Grampy McGrumpy is NOT our president – oh, so very, VERY thankful!! I’m also thankful beyond words that the Red Queen from Wasilla is NOT our vice president.
I’m thankful for the Center for American Progress and for this forum for getting the truth out there, and for herding we progressive and liberal cats every day.
I’m very thankful for Keith Olbermann for leading the way, for his fearless bearding of the neocon monsters in their bunkers, and for the Worst Person(s) in the World.
I’m very thankful for Rachel Maddow for her great courage and her willingness to look the enemy in the eye and ask the tough questions – and always with a smile and exquisite courtesy.
And, fellow insects, I’m very thankful for YOU. You guys entertain me, you educate me, you touch me with your insight and you make me snort milk out my nose.
Much love and gratefulness,
~A
November 26th, 2009 at 10:46 amI’m thankful I don’t need memos to tell me what to do.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:47 amI am thankful that President Obama and the Chinese Premier, Jiabao, will both attend the Copenhagen climate talks.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:49 amDear Tracy, honest to God, we don’t hate you. I think I can speak for my fellow insects here when I say we simply find you unintelligent, shallow, bigoted, angry and truly pathetic.
Now, please, Tracy, go spend some quality time with your family and give it a rest for today, ok?
November 26th, 2009 at 10:50 amI’m thankful that repugs are becoming extinct
I’m thankful repugs are upset over their political losses
I’m thankful that I live in America
I’m thankful that repugs get crazier by the minute
November 26th, 2009 at 10:52 amI am thankful that Great Britain is investigating the run up to the invasion of Iraq.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:53 amI’m also thankful I can vote down Tracy5 like ringing a bell
November 26th, 2009 at 10:53 amTracy__5:
November 26th, 2009 at 10:54 amI highly recommend the first chapter or two of Kurlansky’s The Big Oyster as an introduction of the significance of the oyster in early America….
good morning all! Happy Thanksgiving!
i am thankful for progressive radio and web sites who broke through the web of lies and began the movement to recovery…
i’m also very grateful to have an intelligent and thoughtful president who is doing his part to help with that recovery…
i’m thankful for my smart, well adjusted, accomplished grown children and their soon to be spouses to help share it all!
and i’m thankful for the education and community here at TP!
Thank you, ThinkProgress!
November 26th, 2009 at 10:55 amTracy, where is the hate in my comment? Repugs and wingnuts are the ones who have hatred for our president. Why do repugs hate the less fortunate in our country by denying them healthcare. The right is built on hatred and lies. If you come onto TP and want to have honest debate without the name calling, I can gaurantee that you will be treated with respect. I went onto rightwing blogs and made comments that were not inflammatory in anyway. They dont post your comments if you dont agree with their BS. You have the freedom to comment on TP even though you dont agree with anyone on this sight. That should tell you something about the difference between libs and cons. We are not afraid of debate, and we can back up our claims with facts.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:03 am7. Tracy__5 says:
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We’re sorry that you don’t have any friends or family to spend Thanksgiving with, Tracy__5, but surely you can at least watch TV and pretend to have a life instead of making a fool of yourself here?
November 26th, 2009 at 11:07 amI’m thankful to rid ourselves of the drunken fratboy mentality which permeated the White House for 8 painful years.
I’m thankful for reality’s “liberal bias” and it’s contribution to destroying the GOP with the help of a little thing known as “the intertubes”.
Rock-on, my fellow progressives, and happy turkey day!
November 26th, 2009 at 11:10 amI am thankful we are still here and that we still have a chance to turn things around and make our country work again.
I am thankful that we have people who are bending to that task.
I am thankful that the Right is being so helpful by openly displaying their greed and fear and lies for rational people to see.
And I am even a little thankful for our trollish visitors because they show that freedom of speech is still alive. The comic relief is just a perk.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:11 amYo fossil, they call them STD’s these days….
November 26th, 2009 at 11:13 amI’m thankful that my education taught me the meaning of words. For example, I know what hate, socialism, communism, marxism and fascism mean.
I’m thankful that my education taught me to see rhetoric and propaganda as tools used to shape popular opinion.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:14 amTracy__5 is a “real American” and he doesn’t have any respect for anyone who doesn’t think just like him.
Even on this day of thanksgiving he can’t let his bigotry and hate go.
What a sad and miserable person you have proven yourself to be tracy 1-20.
You make yourself the enemy of decent people.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:14 amHappy Thanksgiving folks.
I’m thankful for trolls like Tracy_5 for constantly reminding us of the importance of a good education.
I’m also thankful that turkeys are so delicious.
Happy eating.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:16 amWithout propaganda the repug political machine would break down. I hope Dick Cheney realizes this when he grabs that wishbone today, sorry DICK, this country’s not going back to the days of shrub.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:17 amThat is one intelligent response tracy, The con blogs know that they have nothing but lies to argue their point. Now go and read Chyrons comment at 59. Im done talking to stupidity.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:18 amBeat it.
I am thankful we have a President who uses a thoughtful decision making process, instead of the ideological knee jerk, war mongering we had previously.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:20 amI blame you for not being able to come together with other Americans even on this thanksgiving holiday.
You sew the seeds of division because it’s the only way you can win and your presense here today is just evidence of how desperate you are.
I hope your family is having a peaceful holiday without you.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:22 amTracy__5 says:
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Blame me if you want Fred. But I count Maddow, Greenwald and Nader as our biggest allies. They’re running your boy down. Liberals are always the first rats to leave the ship. They did it to Clinton, they did to Gore. And while you’re here here throwing fecal matter at me, we’re getting ready for 2010. Think about that.
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Do you smell what you shovel? Have you ever heard of constructive criticism? Take a critical thinking power class and free your repug mind.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:23 amWe’re also very thankful to have the support of readers like you! What are you thankful for? Let us know in the comments section.
I’m thankful that Bush and Cheney can’t torture and murder defenseless men, women, and children in the Middle East. And I’m hopeful that President Obama will withdraw America’s presence from the Middle East, including Israel and Palestine.
It’s time for America to stop murdering millions of innocent, defenseless men, women, and children.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2009/11/2009112694429695983.html
November 26th, 2009 at 11:29 amPity the poor troll who is so sadly lacking that it feels thankful for war, fear, lies and distraction. Like a rabid dog, biting its own butt because it can’t reach anything else.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:30 amHappy Thanksgiving fellow insects.
I’m happy for family, loved ones and friends.
I’m happy for TP, because life would be just a little bit boring without it.
My wish for this day is…Trolls with a little more brains and less hive mind hate.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:30 amI guess we can be thankful for the approach the radical right takes in criticism of the President, nothing he does is ok with them. In that sense they lose credibility with the main stream of America. If they were really “fair and balanced” their words would have more impact.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:31 amtracy, actually the behavior you exhibit here today shows exactly why you will never hold power for very long and only then by cheating and stealing.
You think erroniously that a few haters like yourself should have power over the rest of us.
You have been shown the door and instead of re-evaluating your failure you continue to project your inadaquacies onto those who try to fix what you destroyed.
In 10 or 20 years when you are still the minority, will you still be singing the same song, that you have answers to fix what you destroyed? Probably so.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:35 ami am thankful that ignorant biogots like tracy5 are the minority in this country and shall always be in the minority
i am thankful for the opportunities i have had as an american and the rights many of us take for granted on a daily basis.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:40 amI am thankful for the brave TP-ers who got here before me and voted down the crap spewing from the usual suspects. I don’t have to “click to read” and can move on to the kind of humans I prefer to hang with on holidays.
Narrow minded, ugly trolls must have no one who loves them enough to cook for them….awwwww…
November 26th, 2009 at 11:41 ampoor richie hangingoutinstallswaitingcrusingformen proves himself wrong on the “free speech” issue by the fact TP doesn’t ban by IP address. unlike, say…freeperville, angry trannie annie coulter.com, michelle myiloveabigdingdong.com, red state…
November 26th, 2009 at 11:47 amI’m thankful to be breathing and I rejoice in this every morning.
I’m thankful to be employed and to have benefits from my employer (won, for the most part, because of a labor contract).
I’m thankful my kids are grown-up, intelligent, and addiction free.
I’m thankful not to be an angry, ignorant “conservative” or “libertarian.”
November 26th, 2009 at 11:49 amRichard Stallman says:
My wish for this day is…Trolls with a little more brains and less hive mind hate.
That’s funny coming from moonbat drones like you guys. You’re incapable of individual thought. Your entire demented ideology is based on group think. That’s what leftism is about.
Like I said, I’m thankful not to be an angry ignorant “libertarian.”
November 26th, 2009 at 11:50 amTracy’s right! I’m thankful for Doug Hoffman too. I hope every republicant who runs for office is just like Doug. What a blessing he is for our democracy.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:50 amDid someone pee in the trolls gravy? They sure are crabby today.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:53 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
You’re here aren’t you? We can’t go to redstate can we?
Yes we have a problem with racist speech and hate speech.
I know you think that is your right, to say you are a racist and be proud but it’s illegal and it’s not protected by the constitution.
You know that document you use when it suits you and ignore the rest of the time.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:56 amYou say that with a straight face? After bush made us into a banana republic?
You really are pathetic.
Just by being here this morning you show that you live to hate.
You are a miserable person who wants company…sucks to be you.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:58 amStallman: Everybody will be crabby once Hussein Obama takes us down to Cuba, Venezuela status.
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No chance of you giving up the repug b.s. and making a truthful statement. If you repugs are still crowing this crap next November the beating in the election will be that much worse.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:00 pmEverybody will be crabby once Hussein Obama takes us down to Cuba, Venezuela status.
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November 26th, 2009 at 12:03 pmIs this nonevent akin to being raptured?
Rev Wright was a saint compared to stallman and tracy______5
They represent the hate and spite that Rev. Wright was speaking of.
Funny to note that no progressives are doing what the teabaggers are doing on this American holiday.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:03 pmRichard and Tracy, I’d be very interested to hear *exactly* why you think we “leftists” are so bad. Seriously. I’m curious.
And if you decide to answer my question, please, try to do so without the bullshit talking points like we “hate the troops” or we’re “communists” – because those are just plain bullshit.
I’ll start you out with some of the things I believe, so maybe you can tell me why you think they’re so bad.
I believe…
- that America should not start pre-emptive wars for ANY reason. Nobody should, for that matter.
- no American should ever use torture for ANY reason.
- in our system of justice. Everyone should get a fair trial – even people I don’t like (like George Bush and Dick Cheney).
- that ALL men and women are created equal – even gays.
- that who I choose to sleep with is none of your damn business.
- that my body belongs to me, and that I have the right to choose when I want to bear a child.
- that church and state should be separate – really separate.
- that policy should not be dictated by greed.
- that America should not be run by corporations.
- that our tax dollars should be spent on Americans – not on wars.
- that every American deserves basic healthcare.
- that every American deserves a good education.
- that every child deserves to have enough to eat and a decent roof over his or her head.
So tell me, Richard and Tracy – why am I “like a venereal disease”…?
November 26th, 2009 at 12:05 pmStallman is in that 25% group of repug that will be bitter to their dying day. I’ll drink to that!
November 26th, 2009 at 12:05 pmThe examples of the “over-the-top” critique we see from the radical right posters we see this morning are precisely why they lose credibility. Take this comment:
“If Pelosi/Reid’s anti-freedom notcare bill goes through we’ll officially be slaves of the state.”
Do they really believe we will be officially slaves of the state because of a health care reform bill? So do they think that the slave masters will be showing up at their doors with whips and chains to lead them off to forced labor camps? If they do believe this why aren’t they planning their exit from the country to save their lives? Somehow I doubt it. So all that is left is meaningless hate because they lost an election. Is this the way a loyal American behaves? It really appears these people lack the shared values of fairness that most Americans share, values that on this day we give thanks for.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:05 pm卐 Richard Stallman 卐
HATE HATE HATE
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November 26th, 2009 at 12:06 pmRichard the Stall Man says:
Nuh-uh! YOU are!
November 26th, 2009 at 12:07 pmRab@89, The trolls are crabby everyday since 1/21/09. They cant believe that a black man is running the most powerful country in the world. They are pathetic,they listen to aholes like beck,hannity,limpass,and orielly. Then they wonder why they are in the minority. You wingnuts are so fcked up that you make up the stupidist lies and wonder why most of the country laughs at you and tosses you to the curb. It makes my head spin at the stupidity that oozes from the rightwing idiots.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:08 pmNo, it’s you moonbats and your global warming cult/religion that are more like the bible thumpers than us rational folk
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November 26th, 2009 at 12:09 pmSo how is it that you think the global warming cult is structured? Do you think it is like the “Stonecutters”? I mean how did they infiltrate all those globally recognized entitiies like NASA, ESA, NMF, and you know the list… I sort of think this is one of those weird unexplainable deals like how gays marrying harms non gay marriages…
Wiz says:
Wiz, they said the same thing about social security and medicare. They are known liars. That’s all they got:
November 26th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
105 – Richard, is that the best you can do?
You’re comparing ME to Pol Pot?? To Stalin? Kim Jung Il…?
Give me specifics, Richard, don’t just call me names. Look at my list and tell me HOW any single one of those things I believe makes me like Stalin or Kim Jong Il.
Just one thing.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:11 pmNixon, Raygun, Bush I, Bush II, you.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:11 pmRichard the Stall Man embraces lame Troll Talking Point #17: “You just proved my point”, followed by more of the nonsense that preceded it.
Case in point: claiming that “leftists” hate free speech, posted on a “leftist” web site.
Clearly, the Stall Man has found a way to deal with Cognitive Dissonance. I guess his demonstrated ability to ignore things he doesn’t want to deal with has worked to his advantage in this case, at least as far as his short-term emotional comfort is concerned.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:11 pmYeah, like social security. Try to take that away from conservative Americans.
Stallman, you are a fool and a scholar of nothing. You only know what you are told to think.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:13 pmI don’t believe the point is that the radical right is lying, I believe they do not hold the values that most Americans believe. Values of fairness and justice appear to be beyond their comprehension, and this is a very sad.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:13 pmRichard, dear, INSURANCE COMPANY BUREAUCRATS ALREADY make life and death decisions for me and my family.
They are motivated solely by profit. If I cost them money, they’re willing to let me die.
If single-payer is so bad, why does every civilized country in the world with single payer have a better quality of life than we do…?
November 26th, 2009 at 12:13 pmToetapperstallman says: I’ve seen what Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, the “Kim Jung and Kim Sung” Be Illing boy have done.
You mean like install a single, pure party government where everybody parrots the ideology of the state or gets purged?
Tell me, does the pee make your gravy taste better?
November 26th, 2009 at 12:15 pmOne thing I am REALLY thankful for is that trollism isn’t contagious.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:16 pmAnnie, I hope you weren’t surprised to receive a non-answer from the Stall Man.
Somehow, he equates (and the rest of us, presumably) with Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot with no evidence for this comparison beyond his ignorance-fueled shorthand for “leftists”.
In other words, you asked him why he thinks leftists are bad, and all he could offer in response was to name some evil leftists.
The fact that he thinks this demonstrates that he is a “student of history” is just pathetic. But that’s what we expect from the Stall Man, who as a troll combines deep-seated prejudices, farcical ignorance and a really unpleasant personality.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:17 pmAhh yes, the UN did a study and concluded that..nice.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:19 pm—
As opposed to you just deciding how things are?
Richard, I’m not IN Venezuela. I’m here.
Answer my question, please. Tell me why I’m like Stalin.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:19 pmHealth care is an essential right. Repugs fail to see this, if the U.S. continues to treat health care as any other business the end result will be a collapse of health care. I can choose what vehicle I want to drive, I need health care.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:20 pmI think it all comes down to a fundamental lack of empathy. I’ve noticed a uniform inability to empathize with others from different backgrounds among the wingnuts I’ve talked to. Almost to a person, they seem to think that the way they view the world is the only way one should view the world. No understanding of disparate circumstances or perspectives.
I think we see that quite clearly among our trolls. Tracist and the Stall Man are prime examples.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:20 pmThe radical right also has a major component of projection of their hate on others, where they project their need to dictate the behavior of others. Most Americans hold the value of respect for one another without judging other for faults they are guilty. Many of them purport to have religious convictions, but yet project their hate in a way that is far and away from any religious tradition.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:21 pmdo you like what’s going on in Venezuela?
This one really irks the Right and their troll toads. A country that is running itself and telling the US to stay out. They would much rather think that a bought government is the American Way.
Like Afghanistan. And Iraq. Its a known fact we can’t trust any other 3rd world country we haven’t paid for.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:21 pmRichard, what’s going on in Venezuela is not something I can do anything about, nor does it affect me.
You said that because I’m a “leftist” I’m like Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il, etc.
I’m asking you what about me makes me like them. It’s a legitimate question.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:23 pmRalph:
I think it all comes down to a fundamental lack of empathy. I’ve noticed a uniform inability to empathize with others from different backgrounds among the wingnuts I’ve talked to. Almost to a person, they seem to think that the way they view the world is the only way one should view the world. No understanding of disparate circumstances or perspectives.
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I agree and I think a big part of this is that the repug party is 99% white. No diversity means no understanding anyone else because everyone looks and acts the same.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:24 pmRichard, I don’t get to choose what kind of healthcare I get now.
My *employer* gets to choose for me.
I’m fortunate that my employer offers me good quality health care – I most certainly could NOT afford it on my own, nor would I be able to purchase a policy at all in the open market – I have one of those dreaded “pre-existing conditions.”
November 26th, 2009 at 12:25 pmYa think the clueless, talking point parrot troll has ever pondered the relationship between oil producing countries and their Socialist government leanings as it relates to U.S. Imperialsim?
November 26th, 2009 at 12:26 pmI’m not “copping out,” Richard. You’re the one who’s copping out. I don’t wish to discuss Hugo Chavez. Hugo Chavez and his policies have NOTHING whatsoever to do with the question I asked you.
I asked you why you believe I’m like Stalin. You refuse to answer.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:27 pmNo, you want the government to CHOOSE what health cadre you get. That is the ultimate outcome of socialized medicine
And don’t go trying to confuse with Medicare. Just because we have had socialized (cough) health care for people over 65 for over 40 years doesn’t mean it would work for everybody.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:27 pmStallman proves my point:
The left and their hatred of whites and males is the most blatant examples of sexism and racism this country has ever seen.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:27 pmAnnie, I just read your list at 99. Thank you for it and I agree with it 100%!
November 26th, 2009 at 12:29 pmSo you’re copping out
Can you believe this guy?
November 26th, 2009 at 12:29 pmStallman, dont you have to go out today and beat up a homeless person or something. Your wingnut bullsht is easily disputed here. If you have any common sence at all then even you can see the desperation of the right. Truly pathetic. Go stuff your mothers turkey for her. Gotta go see you later.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:29 pmRab, I think that’s the wrong way to go about it. I can see why you believe it to be a right, but that approach will never sway someone who thinks otherwise. All they have to do is say, “No it’s not,” and the discussion is over.
I think a better way to go at it is to point out that the free market approach to health care delivery, which is what the wingnuts all cream over, simply doesn’t work. It doesn’t work because the fundamental principles necessary for an efficiently-functioning market — namely, a dynamic in which price counter-balances demand — is absent.
And because a healthy populace is in the best interests of society, it makes sense to design and implement the most efficient delivery system for health care.
Now, that’s a tricky approach with wingnuts, too, because they’re generally not too interested in actual solutions to problems. They’re mostly focused on solutions that serve their agenda. If it helps the conservative movement in the short-term, then it’s Good.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:29 pmWe surround you.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:29 pm— “Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right…”
TWO MINUTES HATE=Beck, Hannity, Limpballs, stallman
November 26th, 2009 at 12:30 pmSo you’re copping out, and we can assume that you don’t think what Hugo Chavez is doing is all that bad.
Just like what happened in Viet Nam after 76. All of southeast Asia fell to communism and the world ended.
Oh wait, Viet Nam is a trading partner these days and none of the other countries around it ‘fell to the scourge’.
Nanny nanny boo boo
November 26th, 2009 at 12:30 pmRichard Stallman
You’re just pissed because Chavez threw out your greedy oil companies.
Individual life in Venesuala has improved 100% since he won his elected office.
Why do you hate democratically elected officials?
November 26th, 2009 at 12:30 pmRichard Stallman
November 26th, 2009 at 12:34 pm—
Are you down with brussel sprouts?
ralph the wonder llama says:
I understand your point, All I mean by the “health care is a right” is to counter the argument that you can use health or not. Need v.s. choice
November 26th, 2009 at 12:34 pmWhy do you people put so much faith in government when history has shown us time and time again, that it’s just the wrong move.
Interstate highway system-evil
Social Security-evil
Police and fire protection-evil
Air traffic control-evil
Food & drug safety standards-evil
Work place safety standards-evil
Water/waste management standards and systems-evil
Medicare-evil
Medicaid-evil
Public education-evil
Yeah, the government just can’t get anything right
November 26th, 2009 at 12:34 pmExample please.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:34 pmRichard, you keep throwing strawmen at me.
I’m not asking you about Venezuela or government healthcare vs free market health care. I’m ok with us having a difference of opinion about Hugo Chavez and/or gov’t healthcare.
Those aren’t the questions I asked you. And honestly? I’m not particularly interested in your answers to those questions that I didn’t ask, Richard.
I asked you to look at my list at 99 and tell me exactly what it is about me that makes you believe that I’m like syphillis, Stalin and Kim Jong Il.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:35 pmAnd that’s exactly why the Stall man won’t answer it, Annie.
He’s got no answers to legitimate questions. All he’s got are prejudice-fueled cardboard clichés and his own self-consuming anger.
Why he’s spending his Thanksgiving venting his spleen among people he hates is a mystery. Perhaps his family refuses to let him sit down for dinner until his rage is a little under control, and venting here helps him release some of that corrosive tension that must be coursing through his nervous and circulatory systems all the time.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:35 pmI see. That makes even more sense. Thanks for the clarification.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:36 pmHe was democratically elected fool. I thought you were a scholar. You prove yourself to be ignorant.
How about your boy bush’s buddy in Saudi? I will wait patiently for your warped rationalization.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:36 pmcurious – what the hell is “going on in venezuela” that concerns US?
November 26th, 2009 at 12:37 pmer, that the repugs THINK concerns us, the US…
And anothing thing, Richard: I’m white. Why on earth would I hate white people?
That’s just plain silly.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:38 pmAre you down with brussel sprouts?
Yes, sauteed in some Bacon fat.
Makes it easier for him to stuff them up his nose and make funny faces.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:38 pmAnnie, Ralph is right about stallman. He will dance and twist but he won’t answer direct questions because he doesn’t have an answer.
All he has is his sweaty, cheeto stained cheatsheet that rush sends him.
If you challenge him, he will avoid you. He’s a coward.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:40 pmIf you eat today Stallman and get a turkey bone stuck in your throat (God forbid), and someone around you tries the Heimlich manuever which fails, make sure you tell them whatever they do, “Don’t call that government screwed up 9-1-1″.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:40 pmI buy chevron gas and go out of my way to do it because it comes from Venesuala…..
November 26th, 2009 at 12:41 pmIf you want a real laugh give him some mashed potatoes to stuff in his cheeks and some asparagus for tusks. Best damn walrus imitation around.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:43 pmStall Man, how does your inability to buy health insurance out of state render my premise wrong?
I didn’t say anything that would provide a context in which that comment even makes sense.
There is no counter-balance between supply and demand that would reflect in price adjustments because in a standard consumer-good dynamic, the consumer has the option to purchase from one vendor or another, or to decline to purchase at all.
When the producer prices his product beyond what the market is willing to pay for it, the price must necessarily decline until it reaches a point where units start selling again.
There is no such flexibility in the health care dynamic. Someone who needs heart surgery can choose between vendors, but if the cost is too high for him to afford, he cannot choose to delay his purchase until the price comes down.
Thus there is no downward pressure on price the way there is with a television or a refrigerator. Yet conservatives insist that the free market will deliver cost savings, even in the face of relentless evidence to the contrary.
Why do they believe it? Because they embrace free-market fundamentalism. It’s akin to a religious belief. Evidence is not necessary as long as belief is strong.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:44 pmI noticed you are a coward. Didn’t answer any of the direct questions. Why?
I like Chavez better than I do you. How do you like me now?
November 26th, 2009 at 12:45 pmPerhaps that should serve as an indication that Chavez is not our “comrade”?
Just a thought.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:45 pmFred and Ralph – I know that. Richard can’t give me a straight answer – because he hasn’t got one.
He has simply abandoned logical thought as too difficult and has fallen back on reducing us all from individual human beings to ridiculous talking points chalked up on Glenn Beck’s blackboard.
He just reacts. He spews rightwing Rorschach-style responses to whatever inkblot happens to wander in front of his eyes.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:46 pmThere’s that bigotry towards women that we’ve all come to despise.
If you’re not to scared, why not address 161. If you don’t, we will understand. You have a yellow streak.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:48 pmStallman illustrates my favorite troll irony: “You rotten pos lefties are all about hate, you fuggers.”
Have fun with this tool, everyone. I’m off to brunch with a bunch of hateful liberals, including my son and ex-wife. Then it’s off to Thanksgiving dinner with more liberals–my parents, 87 and 91, respectively. Having arrived at our political views through thoughtful reading and studying, we can enjoy our emotional response: happiness.
So glad not to be an ignorant, bitter “libertarian.”
November 26th, 2009 at 12:49 pmAnnie at 174, yes but he calles us “emotional”
Gotta laugh at the fool. Can’t help it.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:50 pmWhy do they believe it? Because they embrace free-market fundamentalism. It’s akin to a religious belief. Evidence is not necessary as long as belief is strong.
Ralph, it goes beyond that. Evidence to the contrary of their ‘faith’ is to be ignored.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:51 pm171. ralph the wonder llama says: When the producer prices his product beyond what the market is willing to pay for it, the price must necessarily decline until it reaches a point where units start selling again.
There is no such flexibility in the health care dynamic. Someone who needs heart surgery can choose between vendors, but if the cost is too high for him to afford, he cannot choose to delay his purchase until the price comes down.
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Well said ralph, I had econ 101 in college and the professor boiled it down to your point exactly.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:51 pmRichard: Please look at my list at 99 and tell me why you believe those things are inspired by nothing but emotion rather than logical thought.
Of course there’s an emotional component; it hurts me when I see stories of my fellow Americans dying because they have no access to healthcare. It hurts me when I see hungry children. It makes me angry when I see the burned and twisted bodies of innocent civilians dead in Iraq and Pakistan and anywhere in the world. It hurts me when my fellow Americans are killed when a neglected bridge collapses into a river in Minnesota.
Sure, I get emotional about things like torture and war crimes. Don’t you?
But, Richard, I’m a thinking being. I’m a rational being. My emotions are all solidly based in reason and my thought processes. I’m a human being who uses my frontal cortex and I don’t allow my amygdala to control me.
Can you say the same…?
November 26th, 2009 at 12:52 pmStallman. As in one who impedes or stops growth and progress. As in one who must stay at a static point because they lack the intellect to comprehend that progress and growth are indications of life. When something stops growing, it decays and dies.
Nice choice of name.
November 26th, 2009 at 12:55 pmSo, Richard, are you ignoring me now?
Is the question about why I’m like Stalin too difficult for you to answer…?
November 26th, 2009 at 12:57 pmThe insurance industry is largly unregulated and is a perfect example of why the “free market” is a myth.
Where are the competitive prices in that free market stallman?
There is no better example of why you are an idiot than the one you chose.
Where is the era of prosperity that the free market and tax cuts and deregulation were supposed to usher in? We’re still waiting….
You had a chance to show that your methods could work and you failed. You failed so badly that you are now out of power and that stallman, is what you are upset about.
Stop crying.
November 26th, 2009 at 1:01 pmRichard, I’m ducking your strawmen left and right. I’m not going to argue with your talking points about healthcare. I’m not going to argue with your talking points about Venezuela or Afghanistan. My answers to those can be found all over this blog.
I asked you ONE question, Richard, and you still refuse to answer it:
Why am I like Stalin?
November 26th, 2009 at 1:06 pmLeftside Annie, you have to excuse Dicky’s lack of response right now. He is trying to come up with a good reason why the evil ER personnel should remove the brussel sprouts from his nose. It is causing him to say lots of irrational things.
November 26th, 2009 at 1:08 pmYou show no ability to understand history. Iraq will be bush’s folly. period. You are tied to it and it defines you and your failure.
You don’t seem to be adequately armed to fight this battle. Your facts are not facts. This one for instance:
Are you really going to pretend, and that is all it is, that no murderous dictators were right leaning? Really?
And health care is rationed now. Only the rich get it.
Your defenses are inadequate and posting here is helping us much more than it is helping your failed cause.
Please continue.
November 26th, 2009 at 1:08 pmFromDeepInTheAirportBathroom says: We already know that they’ll have to ration.
That isn’t a mouse in your pocket nor does it qualify for the pronoun we.
November 26th, 2009 at 1:11 pmhey dumbass, who created the biggest beuracracies in history?
Raygun and Bush II.
big government is your baby. Own it.
November 26th, 2009 at 1:12 pmIf that was your whole point, you completely missed the inescapable conclusion of that point: the free market is fundamentally incapable of delivering health care efficiently.
The model doesn’t work because of the nature of the product being delivered.
It has nothing to do with whether you can but health care in the next state or not. The fact that you think that interstate competition would solve a fundamental systemic flaw says as much about your ability to think as does your reflexive inuslts toward all those you consider “leftists”.
The fact that you STILL think that “true consumer choice” is a solution for a dynamic in which a consumer HAS NO CHOICE by virtue of the nature of the product (not by virtue of the design of the system) is still further evidence that your self-image of an informed and educated rational person is wholly illusory.
November 26th, 2009 at 1:13 pmdeficit spending:
raygun, bush I and II.
turning surplus into debt: bush II.
own it.
November 26th, 2009 at 1:13 pm卐 Richard Stallman 卐
Right wing = 卐卐卐卐
That’s history.
November 26th, 2009 at 1:16 pmIt is humorous that Richard thinks that when you go to the ER with a myocardial infarction they are immediately going to tell you it is going to cost $32,000 to save your life. And the insurance company is going to come back and say, naw his life isn’t worth more than $12.50. So obviously Dicky is immediately going to get on his cell phone and shop for a better rate.
Call GEICO.
November 26th, 2009 at 1:17 pmI think stallman is just upset because none of his relatives are visiting him today at the “facility”
November 26th, 2009 at 1:18 pmSorry, Richard. Not good enough.
Tell me how I am a “statist” – statism is closely related to fascism, which is basically corporation and state are one.
Me? I’m dead-set against the corporations running America – see my list at 99:
- that policy should not be dictated by greed.
- that America should not be run by corporations.
BZZZZZZZZT! Another of your talking points bites the dust, Richard.
You claimed that we “leftists” are evil. I’ve posted a list of the things I believe.
Now you tell me why they’re evil.
November 26th, 2009 at 1:18 pmStallman, Its thanksgiving are you going to sit around your dining room table with your family. Considering that you are clueless as to what is best for our country,I would guess that you have life sized cutouts of beck,limpass,palin,and hannity as your family. Make sure you have plenty of bullsh!t to go around because thats all you losers have left.
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If government can’t get anything right, why have the Republicans spent the last 30 years repealing laws and regulations so that we can get to the point of economic and regulatory collapse?
And if government is bad, why are they trying so hard to be the government?
November 26th, 2009 at 1:28 pmRichard Stallman says:
Hoodathunk, the modern day republican party is the democrat party of 30 years ago. Your democrat party is now a socialist/statist party.
As a historian, you don’t even make a good plumber. Go back to playing with your food.
November 26th, 2009 at 1:33 pmDicky, just what are you doing with those jumbo shrimp?
November 26th, 2009 at 1:35 pmJust like those brussel sprouts. They don’t need to be rescued from your nasal anal orifice.
November 26th, 2009 at 1:38 pmRichard, you really are an unfortunate prisoner of your talking points.
I had hoped that we could have a real discussion, but you aren’t willing to turn loose of your right-wing rhetoric at all. Not even for a moment.
I did force you to back off of your absurdity, though, just for a moment. But then you grabbed it right back and clutched it to your heaving bosom again…
Unfortunately, unlike you, Rich, *I* am not able to believe two completely and utterly contradictory things at once.
I can’t argue with that. Good luck, Richard, and have a nice holiday.
November 26th, 2009 at 1:43 pmI am your worst enemy. I am logic and common sense and America the way Americans want it.
You are a total negative. You have nothing to offer and you are a loser.
I will always be here to call you a liar stallman. I consider it to be my civic duty.
November 26th, 2009 at 1:47 pmRichard Stallman says:
Turkey is for the proletariat. I prefer
lobster and venison like how Thanksgiving was originally celebrated – after killing some evil redskins.
You’re a parody troll, Richard. I mean no one is THAT blatant, but thanks for showing us the mentality of the EXTREME FRINGE right.
November 26th, 2009 at 1:48 pmAnd poor Dicky comes out with the white Republicans burden. So many places to conquer, so many people to kill, so little care.
I do so like that these sickos are finally coming out of the closet and proudly proclaiming their true face.
And I am so very thankful they are such a minority.
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Pretty lame, Mr. Duke. Your buddy Dicky is way ahead of you. Flip to page 16 of the Trollish Talking Points to catch up.
November 26th, 2009 at 1:53 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Aren’t you thankful for brow sweat and pretend small businesses?
November 26th, 2009 at 2:04 pmIt used to be called “global warming”.
—
November 26th, 2009 at 2:06 pmThey used to be called venereal diseases, darkies, and lids……
kwsventures says:
We’re thankful for the legacy of the Great Decider.
9/11, war dead in Afghanistan and Iraq, tanked economy, huge deficit, America torturing, America abandoning the Constitution.
So, buddy, how does that balance?
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Im in the mood for fish today. Stallman send your wife over.
November 26th, 2009 at 2:08 pmWow thats crude isnt it. You dumbass trolls make me stoop to your level of stupidity sometimes. I have to go make some more drinks see ya later.
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They used to be called venereal diseases, darkies, and lids……
You missed caring conservatives.
November 26th, 2009 at 2:09 pmkwsventures, way to use her death for political points. No one is justifying her death but it seems that you on the right don’t care for her but to use her as a political pawn. It’s Thanksgiving, can’t we just resume the trolling later?
November 26th, 2009 at 2:10 pmUm, sounds like Obama is continuing the madness.
If you listen to the little voices in your head or Faux News. I suspect they are similar.
November 26th, 2009 at 2:11 pmAnd I’m certainly thankful that Lady Blah Blah and Grandpappy McSame were not sworn in on January 20, 2009!
Thanks TP for all you do!
November 26th, 2009 at 2:23 pmHappy Thanksgiving, TP’ers.
I’m thankful for the hard work and compassion of all of you here,
as our country transitions into this new century.
I’m thankful for the progressive activists here, that provide us with political event stories and identify the players and their intentions,
giving us a larger perspective to see America’s true condition.
I’m really, really, thankful Barack Obama is the president,
and that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney no longer have the keys to the White House.
Most of all, lately, I’ve been thankful Thomas Jefferson left enough notes behind to support our true agenda, preserving the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness for all citizens of our country.
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I am thankful for the truth i live to tell.
November 26th, 2009 at 2:37 pmI am thankful that the weird pretend invisible hand thingie doesn’t control air, water, nor food quality and safety…
November 26th, 2009 at 2:42 pmI am thankful, always, for family and friends, be they near or far (or just far fetched, in some cases).
I’m thankful that we have a new President and administration. May they keep the ship of state from the rocks and shoals of avarice, stupidity and incompetence, and may their efforts on behalf of the well-being of this great nation be met with success.
I’m grateful that the last administration left office with destroying the nation completely, regardless of how gracelessly some of their officers have behaved since.
And I’m thankful for the forum, the venue, that is provided here at Think Progess, and for the contributors – even for some of the trolls.
Happy Thanksgiving, all.
November 26th, 2009 at 2:43 pmI am thankful for the United States of America, my home and my history.
I am thankful for the fabulous statesmen this country has bred.
I am thankful for the sacrifices of the exceptional generations who built this country.
I am not thankful for the trashing of my country (for political gain).
I am not thankful for the self appointed patriots and religious prophets who are corrupting our system of government.
I am not thankful for the civil discourse in our country today.
This country was once the world leader, I don’t believe we can ever assume that role again unless we stop and appreciate where we came from and take pride in ourselves again.
November 26th, 2009 at 2:52 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Alejandro @ 236,
I am referring to leadership by example and good governance.
I am not referring to leadership by military force and rhetoric.
The world has been watching our country. I don’t believe we have been demonstrating the best attributes of a democracy or good governance.
Do you think, Alejandro, that this country is providing democratic leadership to the world with the present political discourse?
I believe we are reaffirming a vastly different governing approach. Consider the recent “Republican Purity Test” for its candidates. “Smacks of something other than democracy” to me. How do you think the world reads this?
November 26th, 2009 at 3:12 pmbush? but he was a failure.
November 26th, 2009 at 3:14 pmActually it is still “junkie”.
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You….
November 26th, 2009 at 3:26 pmkwsventures would probably see a magnificent tree decimated by acid rain and polluted groundwater, and he’d say that the guy who dismembers the tree so it can be safely taken down is “continuing the madness” that killed it…
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alejandroid, you’re not making any sense. Do you know how to compose a sentence to say what’s on your mind?
November 26th, 2009 at 3:35 pmAlejandro says:
You know who else failed?
Since you have a delusional concept of fail, Alejandro, you opinion is sort of whacked. By your standards, the state of the economy a year ago was not a fail. The state of the US as perceived by the rest of the world is not a fail. Your concept of failing is invalid.
November 26th, 2009 at 3:39 pmSteven Segal posed with Joe Arpaio.
Paris Hilton thinks Caribou Barnie is cute.
Tom Cruise is cute.
Lets elect them to run the country!
November 26th, 2009 at 3:43 pmand as the trolls fade slowly into the sunset, slipping quietly into the lagoon of their talking points, we can all bid them a mucky farewell.
May everyone have a pleasant holiday.
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Daryll, nice stick up your butt.
November 26th, 2009 at 4:30 pmYou know who else had national pride and wanted to be the world leader?
:)
Dick Cheney and his limp dick dream of a permanent Republican majority in order to fulfill PNAC’s agenda.
November 26th, 2009 at 4:33 pmHelp them to understand that they will be sent to hell for lying to people about current and prospective programs.
Please, Daryll, do you have to make it this easy?
November 26th, 2009 at 4:36 pmHelp the Speaker of the House, as well, Lord. Lord, please remove the darkness from her heart. Please remove that lying wretched spirit in her soul, in Jesus name.
And help me (Daryll) to continue to make judgments in your name because I can’t remember the 3rd Commandment that says taking the name of my Lord in vain, claiming to speak in His name is a mortal sin.
November 26th, 2009 at 4:42 pmp.s. Your god is none too happy with you castigating the less fortunate
Just another brainwashed, low IQ false Christian, spewing hated and lies.-
November 26th, 2009 at 4:43 pmI saw that Daryll had paid us a visit with a long-winded post, but it seemed to start out as a genuine thanksgiving prayer.
I thought, “hm, maybe Daryll really feels like part of the community here and wishes to share his gratitude with the rest of us on this Thanksgiving Day.”
Then I started reading and discovered that, as usual, Daryll had simply cloaked his contempt for other humans in his insincere religiosity.
Once again, Daryll demonstrates that whatever spiritual journey he thinks he’s on, it appears to have led him straight back to where he started from — praying to a God who hates all the same people as Daryll does. A God limited by the miniscule dimensions of Daryll’s own narrow-minded worldview.
Daryll, I fear is one more of those people who embrace their faith not to help them explore deep questions, but rather to help them avoid them.
November 26th, 2009 at 4:45 pmPlease, Lord, remember that people who hold your word in the New Testament as law are deluded. I, Daryll, ask you to listen to me, a snot nosed, pissant worm, over your New Testament word. I know you were only kidding.
November 26th, 2009 at 4:46 pmit is interesting that when the Christian god sent his son to earth and said his words supplanted the old that the people who claimed to listen go back to the Old Testament.
Neat trick, Darryll.
November 26th, 2009 at 4:52 pmCome on, Daryl, you are a Christian. You hold the teachings of the New Testament as God’s Word. No one gets to heaven except thru Jesus and his teachings. The Old Testament is gone.
November 26th, 2009 at 4:57 pmCome on, Daryll, are you saying that when God said his word was thru his Son, that what Jesus said was the expressed word of God he was kidding?
Are you saying that Jesus was a joke?
November 26th, 2009 at 5:02 pmAs you treat the least, you treat me.
Do unto others as you would do unto me.
November 26th, 2009 at 5:07 pmDaryl, do you think having military personnel with guns dealing with people is what your God wants?
November 26th, 2009 at 5:10 pmDaryl, if someone stuck a machine gun up your nose, would you say, thank you God?
November 26th, 2009 at 5:13 pmI’m thankful that the neoCon base – and boy, are they ever base – is incapable of learning from their mistakes.
November 26th, 2009 at 5:22 pmDear Lord,
Please help me not to be like Your followers.
Especially the ones like Darryl, Lord, who cloak their hatred of the poor, who mask their pride in their wealth and their bigotry against those who have different color skins, different faiths and different sexual orientations with false piety.
Protect us against those who use You as a weapon, Lord, to batter the weak, the poor, the sick and the children.
Protect us against those who use Your words to condemn their fellow man, simply because they are different.
Help those like Darryl to see, Lord, that those who do not work may not be able to work; open their eyes to the suffering of others, Lord, and let them be moved to compassion – instead of hatred and condemnation. Open their eyes to the wider world, Lord, and help them to see that we are all Your children.
Please do not forgive them, Lord, because they do know what they do; they use Your words in cynicism and mendacity to control and persuade others and to acquire wealth. Instead, Lord, I ask that You bring them to justice; those who hate the poor and the sick; those who use war and murder to further their own ends, and those who prostitute Your words to do the Devil’s work. Rid the world of them, Lord, and let us all live in peace.
Amen.
November 26th, 2009 at 5:28 pmamen, Leftside Annie. May your words be heard.
November 26th, 2009 at 5:49 pmI am thankful for the beauty and connectedness of the physical world and the miraculous diversity of the life which is blessed to inhabit it. I am thankful for whatever impulse compels so many to work for the day when every man can walk in the bounty and dignity which the Lord I believe in intended for him. I am thankful that while there is much in the world that is ugly, there is a whole lot more that is good and beautiful.
November 26th, 2009 at 5:51 pmAs our troops sit in harms way…..
Placed there by our previous president who entrenched us in a no win situation that our new president has to find a way to bring our people home.
Eat sh!t, OSTL
November 26th, 2009 at 5:58 pmHow long will you far left loons continue to blame Bush for obamas blunders and lies?
Let’s see. Eight years of Bush’s crap versus ten months of Obama’s attempts to fix the crap. I’d say the loons are going to whack at the Bush crap for at least 7 more years. Just to be fair.
November 26th, 2009 at 6:22 pmOSTL says:
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How long will you far left loons continue to blame Bush for obamas blunders and lies?
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How long, repug? For at least as long as the shrub lives.
November 26th, 2009 at 6:23 pmOSTL says:
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We’re thankful President Obama is thinking long and hard
As our troops sit in harms way…..
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If you knew anything about military matters you’d know that they are protecting themselves from the enemy. Educate yourself repug.
November 26th, 2009 at 6:26 pmHow long will you far left loons continue to blame Bush for obamas blunders and lies?
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November 26th, 2009 at 6:26 pmMaybe if you bulleted them I could address them on3e at a time…
Btw. OSTL, if the blunders were Obamas, why did Bush had billions over to to Wall Street months before he left office?
November 26th, 2009 at 6:26 pmand if Bush was such a great president and did such a great job, why does Obama have to fix things?
November 26th, 2009 at 6:32 pmI’m thankful to still have a roof over my head
November 26th, 2009 at 7:09 pmHow long will you far left loons continue to blame Bush for obamas blunders and lies?
When will you acknowledge that Bush blundered and lied?
November 26th, 2009 at 7:24 pmOSTL says:
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How long will you far left loons continue to blame Bush for obamas blunders and lies?
Let’s see. How long did you righties blame Bill Clinton for things well into Bush’s administration.
Actually, righties are still blaming FDR for a lot of problems, so I think it’s safe to say we can blame Bush for several more decades.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:46 pmBeing thankful implies that there is someone to whom thanks is owed. That is foolish. I am happy that more and more people are becoming aware of that fact and that christian influence is diminishing around the world. I am happy that we have a president who actually cares about people. I am happy that we will have healthcare for most Americans. I’ll really be happy if it happens next year instead of 3 years from now so we don’t have to allow 47000 more people die each of the next 3 years for political reasons. I’m happy Obama didn’t send the 40000 troops requested for Afghanistan. Hopefully, he’ll have the backbone to admit our troops are nothing more than
November 26th, 2009 at 11:30 pmtarget practice for the opposition there and pull them all out. I’m happy to have a day off and would enjoy it more if people didn’t insist on pretending that it is any different than presidents day.
@ 248. Darryl…
“Consider the lilies of the field; they toil not, neither do they spin, yet Solomon in all his raiment was not clad as these…”
More importantly than that verse, Darryl, consider the entire chapter; either Matthew 6 or Luke 12 or both.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:20 amSomebody way above said “Im thankful for diversity”, if you have a southern accent your not part of that bullshit that they came up with.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:21 amfriends to celebrate thanksgiving with. and also the hood internet.
also, i was going to give tracy__5 the benefit of the doubt and say that he/she was just being contrary, but i kept reading and he/she is a prick.
on a more positive note, i’m thankful that if this is what we’re up against in 2012, we should have no problems.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:39 ambraveheart08
November 27th, 2009 at 9:20 ambiodiversity is bullshit?
where’s pobeeno?
November 27th, 2009 at 10:31 amBullshit.
It CAN imply that, but it is not a necessary part of feeling gratitude for the blessings of fortune.
One need not invest that fortune in a personified source.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:19 amI see you’ve met our friend Tracist. You seem to be a good judge of character.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:21 amralph @284
November 27th, 2009 at 11:39 amI didn’t get that crap either…
I’m thankful for Barack Obama.
November 27th, 2009 at 12:41 pmWonderful list! Thanks for sharing it.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:47 pmI am Thankful for my God and his Love.
I am Thankful for my husband and son.
I am Thankful for our good health.
I am Thankful for our Men and Women in the Armed Forces. I prey for their safty and a safe return to their loved ones.I prey they return with Pride and Victory.
I am Thankful for being Blessed enough to have been born in the United States of America.
I am Thankful for my Freedom and prey I never lose It.
I am Thankful for my Constitution that protects me from Tyranny.
I am Thankful for people like Glen Beck who is a patriot that loves the United States of America and just wants to help restore her to Glory.
I am Thankful for a woman like Sarah Palin who is proof that a Woman can still have the Traditional role as a Mother and Wife and make it big without selling out her morals and ethics.
I am Thankful for the Tea Party Movement because it gives me hope that my son will grow up in a better World were he does not have to fear being a conservative white man.
I am Thankful for being able to spend Thanksgiving with my husband. Because of our Military Duty it was the first in 3 years!
I am not Thankful for a President who weakens our Proud Country by being indecisive about our Troops. A President who has shown no Honor to our Military over seas. He has used Our Fallen Men and Women of the Armed Forces as Photo Props to further his Political Agenda. It makes me SICK everytime I see President Obama pass by a Saluting Marine and fails to return the salute.
I am not Thankful for a National Debt of 12 Trilllion.
I am not Thankful for our Senate Rep our Dem and their out of control spending.
I am not Thankful for the Health Care Plan being Forced down our Throat.
I am not Thankful for all my money that will be taken in NEW TAXES to pay for it!
I am not Thankful for Cap and Trade and the Money it will take away me and my Family.
I am not Thankful for how our Goverment is treating our Navy Seals as Criminals and TAKING THE WORD OF A KNOWN TERRORIST!
I am not Thankful for our President FORCING the TERRORIST who planed the 9/11 attack on the People of New York and giving them the TERRORIST a trial on American soil.
I am not Thankful for liberal hollywood.
I am not Thankful for Acorn.
I am not Thankful for Anita Dunn(who loves Moa Tse Tung),Van Jones(who is a known communist)and Nancy Pelosi(I do not want what you are trying to force on me and stay out of my wallet).
I am not Thankful for MSNBC,CNN or NBC for praising President Obama and trying to hoodwink the American People.
I am not Thankful for a President who surounds himself with advisors who preach communist ideology.
I am Thankfull for 2011 Senate Elections and the 2012 Presidential Election .
November 27th, 2009 at 10:23 pmGood for you, soldier_girl. Please post that on Red State where someone MIGHT give a damn…Hope you had a happy holiday with your folks…
November 27th, 2009 at 10:28 pmSorry, 290 was a bit harsh…
I’m not thankful for the last administration which spent years punting the ball on Afghanistan in order to go on a rampage in Iraq…
I am not thankful for people who have been duped into supporting a corporate agenda, an agenda that seeks to destroy their economic means.
I am not thankful for the corporate agenda which disguises itself as a fake grassroots movement that claims to be the voice of the people…
I am not thankful for the extreme fringe that seem to be relying on their basest emotions to make a point.
What I am thankful for is that there are those who are fighting to make this administration live up to its promises of change, promises that threaten to be deferred.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:31 pmand you know, I’m thankful that your husband is safe and sound. Your thanksgiving post was beautiful until you started repeating right-wing talking points…
November 27th, 2009 at 10:37 pmI am Thankful for my Freedom and prey I never lose It.
“prey”… that was the third time… i could read no further…
just another ignorant rube.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:26 pmor is it ’stupid’…?
probably both…
November 27th, 2009 at 11:27 pmPray appeal, ask, beseech or demand any of those words would do!
November 27th, 2009 at 11:37 pmWell 295, I’m glad your husband is safe nonetheless. That is something that all of us can agree on, even if not the other parts of your post.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:53 amMy husband? LOL only half the time We switch deployments. Someone has to stay home with the baby while the other deploys. Last year was my turn to deploy! I missed Thanksgiving by a day and Missed Christmas by about 2 weeks for R&R.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:06 amwell at least you guys are together this time…
November 28th, 2009 at 1:12 amThis year we also got to spend our anniversary together. It was our first one together and we have been married for 4 years.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:16 amThat’s awesome! Well best of luck to you and your special someone…
November 28th, 2009 at 3:12 amI’m thankful that we live in a country that can see it’s faults.Thankful that a man who asked for a job that he knew was not going to be easy ,still thinks that it can be done.Thankful that Americans know that most things that limbaugh,beck ,palin ,robertson,lieberman,bachman ,et al,say most times are bigoted biased and self-serving.Thankful that every once in awhile the media actually reports what is versus what they think…
November 28th, 2009 at 5:51 amI’m thankful that I’ll be dead one day and I won’t have to listen to all of your crap anymore.
I’m thankful that more people have common sense in this country than any of you give them credit for.
I’m thankful that more people watch Beck than subscribe to your site.
I’m thankful that I’ve been taught to go and find the truth out for myself instead of just believing things just because a guy with a degree told me.
I’m thankful that I know that my Congressmen are my representatives and not my leaders.
I’m not thankful for the fact that so many of you don’t know the truth about global warming or climate change and what causes it.
I’m not thankful for the fact that so many people in our government want to take away all of our choices and rights and tell us how to live.
I’m not thankful that they fired Van Jones only to replace him with someone even more Communist and radical than he is.
I’m thankful that I know that our Founding Fathers did want to abolish slavery so they changed the phrase “Life, Liberty and Property” to “Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness” because slaves were considered property. (Yeah, look it up.)
I’m thankful that CO2 is actually the most insignificant gas in the atmosphere and that the largest producer of CO2 are the oceans, not humans. (The oceans produce over 780,000 gigatons of CO2 every year. Humans only produce 7.)
I’m thankful that the only place that liberals outnumber conservatives is in Washington, D.C. (Oh, and even you Dems or Liberals or whatever you want to call yourselves are still conservative compared to the people in Washington. Unless you are reading this from D.C.
I’m thankful that one day people everywhere will know the truth about what CNN hasn’t told you. (That conservative march on D.C. was the largest in history, yet the White House and everyone besides Fox news marginalized it drastically.)
I’m thankful that all of my liberal friends have lost faith in their movement and realized that most of the news programs out there aren’t reporting much of what’s going on.
I’m thankful that I know what real altruism is.
Oh, and before you spend the next few lines bashing me and calling me an idiot, please take a little time and go and find out if anything I’ve said here is true and see if your own opinion doesn’t change. Mine certainly did. (I voted for Obama and since I started looking into his policies I’ve lost complete faith and won’t vote for him again.)
November 28th, 2009 at 3:53 pmRight, every right-winger here claims he voted for Obama…It’s just that the Republican brand is so toxic that even though you repeat talking points from the right, you claim to be a Democrat who has been disillusioned. That’s fine. You have every right to post here but I’m afraid not everyone will believe you. We’ve had many “I voted for Obama but…” or “I’m not a Republican, I’m a libertarian…” posters who post nothing but right-wing talking points…
Welcome to the club…I’m disillusioned by Obama as well but not for reasons you state. I’m not thankful he has punted the ball on LGBT issues after making the promises…
I’m not thankful that he is not doing more to distance himself from Bush’s record on civil liberties…
I’m not thankful that he is turning out more to be a Clinton than a FDR…
The conservative march was not the largest in history. If you take into account the doctored photos, yes, the inflated numbers, the inauguration attracted more people to Washington, 1.8 million to 70,000. The anti-war protests attracted more people, up to a million in NYC but you didn’t hear it on the corporate news because it would have been embarrassing to the administration and to the corporate agenda…Just as many people attended the pro-gay rights march just recently as the teabagger march on Washington. Nice try.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:43 pmActually, I did vote for Obama. I was so happy that there was somebody under the age of 50 to vote for, that there was some new young blood to put in the White House that I voted for him.
And I would rather have another Clinton than another FDR. I personally consider FDR to be one of the worst presidents in history. I give him all the credit for our current financial crisis. And you should be thankful that Obama is not another FDR as well.
Let’s see, did anybody know that FDR ordered hundreds of thousands of pigs and other livestock burned in order to drive up prices? Does anybody on here know how many millions of acres of crops that he had burned for the same reason? FDR’s biggest achievement is that he created a permanent underclass that never got off of welfare. (And I do have proof of this. I have some distant cousins whose families have been on welfare since the Depression.) In fact, although there is a great debate over this still, most experts agree that FDR caused the Depression to last even longer. Oh, and none of his policies brought us out of the Depression. World War II did that.
And Obama never had the ball to even punt on LGBT rights. He was never for gay marriage and probably won’t ever be.
And don’t call me a right winger either. I’ve chosen not to take sides. To be completely honest, I think this country has screwed itself big time and both sides are full of fools.
I think it’s funny how the liberals in the government are pro-choice. But only when it comes to abortion. They want to take away every other freedom and choice you have.
What’s really going to be sad is when inflation catches up to all the money that they’ve put into the system and we have to pay 120% interest on all of our loans and milk is $85 a gallon. Yes, ask any economist how they’ll take all this money back out of the system and that’s how.
And as far as Right-Wing versus Left-Wing is concerned. I don’t care who is in office, I don’t trust them. The people who built this country did not want us to trust our government. They knew, as I do, that the government is a gigantic bloated beast (somewhat like cancer) that only wants to consume as much as it possibly can until it collapses and dies under its own wieght.
Everyone on the left likes to talk about the supposed 46 million Americans without insurance. Nobody ever talks about the 250 million Americans with insurance who don’t want the government stepping in and messing things up for them.
Everyone on the left likes to talk about the fact that we’re still in this war in the middle-east. They never talk about the fact that if they had just let the experts do their jobs we would already be done with both of these silly wars. Oh, and personally I don’t care what Obama’s decision will be on the soldier situation. He’s a civilian with no military experience at all. He has no business telling our troops what to do.
And you know what’s really sad? Obama is going to sign away U.S. sovereignty to the U.N. for “global warming.” When is anybody going to go do the actual research on this and see that it’s complete crap?
Oh, and why should Obama care about civil liberties? His advisers want to take away your right to have as many children as you want. Your right to vote. Your right to think for yourself. Your right to defend yourself from tyranny and crime. Your right to choose what to do with your life. Your right to choose whether or not you want insurance. Your right to take your dreams as far as you can.
And you can say whatever you want to about the people marching in Washington. When the House and Senate change hands next year and all these liberal goons are voted out of office, I’ll be the one laughing. And yes it will happen. Liberals are good at winning elections when the situation is right but they are horrible at running the government. For that matter so are Republicans. Let’s face it, Bush destroyed the Republican party “brand name,” now Obama is going to destroy the Democrat party “brand name.”
In the end all any of these people really want are your tax dollars. They don’t want to help any of us. They don’t want to make this country better. They just want as much of your money as they can possibly get their hands on. That goes for either side.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:49 pmEverything you say about liberals can be tied to conservatives as well. THEY’re great at winning elections but have failed to govern. They want I really feel that your observation about liberals being pro-choice can be applied to the other side if we’re talking about inconsistency…Conservatives seem to cry about economic freedom but they’re the ones who want to regulate everything we do in our bedrooms, to legislate morality, etc. They’re the ones feeling fine about throwing away our civil liberties during the times they are in power and when they’re not, suddenly they become the shining knights in armor protecting our freedoms? Please…
FDR saved capitalism from its excesses with timely regulation. Sure to Wall Street and conservatives, that seemed like socialism or whatever at the time, but regulated capitalism works. What happened when we started to drink the deregulation coolaid that Reagan and the GOP with an assist from Clinton wrought upon us? I credit that stance with the financial crisis here. Glass Steagall put a wall between the Casino that is Wall Street and Main Street.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:05 pmRichard Stallman says:
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I agree and I think a big part of this is that the repug party is 99% white. No diversity means no understanding anyone else because everyone looks and acts the same.
The left and their hatred of whites and males is the most blatant examples of sexism and racism this country has ever seen.
Right, all the lynching victims who were lynched for “being uppity” were all white and it was African-Americans who enslaved whites all those years. Men were denied the right to vote until 1919 and white men were killed for the crime of trying to exercise their right to vote. I’m totally convinced now…
November 29th, 2009 at 4:13 amWell, here’s how it happened: FDR created an entire culture of families with multiple generations growing up on welfare. Clinton forced banks to give loans to people that they knew up front weren’t going to be able to pay back. Oh, and remember that economic boom in the early nineties that Clinton so infamously took credit for? That was Reagan’s trickle-down economic policy finally coming into its own. If it had been left alone our country would be doing great right now. But no. We all say that Reagan’s economic policy failed and give Clinton all the credit for what he did.
But it still goes back to FDR. If he had left things alone as they should have been last year, things would have been a lot better off. The more the government interferes, the worse. We used to live in a free country. That’s why people risk death and incarceration to get into our country.
If you invent something that makes you rich why shouldn’t you be allowed to enjoy your success? But no, those people are villainized now. Everyone has to be exactly the same because we can’t hurt anybody’s feelings anymore. Everyone be mediocre so the lazy guy in the back of the class won’t feel so bad when he’s stuck at McDonald’s for the rest of his life, bitter because he didn’t ever once try in his life to make himself better. Those are the people we lift up now while we punish the people who do work hard and try to make something of themselves.
I think that’s my biggest problem with the left. They’ve taken the American Dream and killed it.
And I don’t believe that the left hates white men. I think they just want white men to feel guilty for something that ENDED 150 years ago. My grandfather owned a paint shop for many years. He taught me that a man should only be judged by how hard he works and how he treats his family. No more than that. Is there something wrong with looking at the world like that?
But no. My family are regarded as racist for no other reason than the fact that we’re white. We’ve even been sued by a woman we had to lay off because she messed up so badly that she cost us three of our biggest employers. And when I say messed up, she was so incompetent at her job that she couldn’t send one package to the right place. This was a woman who my own aunt gave over $20,000 to in private gifts because she couldn’t afford to pay her bills.
Know why we laid her off? Our taxes were so high this past April that we had to let go of 8 people because we couldn’t afford to keep paying them as well as all the taxes involved.
And next year will probably be worse.
This is Obama’s dream for our country. Tax all our employers more and nevermind when they can’t afford to pay us anymore, we’ll all just go get on government assistance. Because that’s what he wants. He wants for you and me to both be in his pocket. Because when you’re on government assistance, you are owned by the gorvernment. Yeah, like a slave. I think it’s highly amusing that leftists want white people to pay reparations while at the same time they’re trying to enslave more and more people everyday.
Oh, and there were over 6,000 black slave owners in the south. So, many black people would get a bill not a check in the case of reparations. Oh, and when people reference the south as being the stronghold of slavery: Only the top 5 percent of people in the South even owned slaves. In the North that number was one time about 80 percent. Yeah, more people in the North owned slaves than in the South. Mind you, these were usually own or two family slaves for personal use.
That’s why slavery became unpopular in the North before in the South. Yankees were much worse to their slaves than even the cruelest field masters. Slavery wasn’t even an issues to Southern people. It didn’t affect their lives at all. Most of them were so poor, that they themselves were little more than slaves as share-croppers.
And to be completely honest, I do think that leftists are more racist, more sexist and more prejudiced in every other way. It’s the left that insists on separating everybody into groups and keeping everyone at arms with each other. It’s the left that sees color and religion when they look at somebody.
They are the ones that see African-American, Native American, Irish American. I only see American. And you know what? Those people in the middle east that want nothing more than to watch you die in a pool fo your own blood? They only see American too.
Oh, and the most hateful people I know are liberals. (I’m talking about actual friends of mine.) They really are the most bigoted and prejudiced people I’ve ever met.
And please tell me, what freedoms did we lose under any conservative presidency? Because I don’t remember losing any. Of course, you’ll probably say it’s because I’m white or something. That’s really just an excuse though.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:58 pm-We’re thankful there are some on the right who think Glenn Beck is “incoherent,” “mindless,” “erratic,” “bizarre,” and “harmful to the conservative movement.”
Not to mention psychotic.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:07 pmDear ThePieceMovement,
Have you ever considered the advantages of living in a mental hospital?
Who taught you to hate the poor, the lame, FDR, and the out-of-work? Looks like you have a long list of people who are making your life miserable. Maybe they don’t like you. Have you ever thought of that?
November 29th, 2009 at 4:15 pmOh, the whole minorities caused the foreclosure crisis canard. Of course they are the scapegoats because everyone wants the focus off the predatory lenders that preyed upon people who wanted their shot at the American Dream…Everytime Wall Street gets into trouble, who gets the blame? Not the bankers or the moneyed elite…of course not…It’s always the fault of the poor or in the case of conservatives playing the race card minorities…
The people who have taken the American Dream and killed it are the corporations who ship jobs overseas without any thought to the communities that they damage. Where were the conservatives and conservadems along with Clinton when the labor unions told them that this would happen under NAFTA?
If you look at our history, you will see that it isn’t the left that seeks to divide by race and class, but rather the moneyed elite. Take for example the Antebellum South and harkening back to Bacon’s Rebellion. The last holdouts were a group of whites and blacks and what lesson did the elite slaveholders take from that? Simple, poor whites and blacks might unite to take on the elites so what did they use? Of course, racism. And do you know why the 5% of whites in the South held so much political power? It was because they successfully used race to prevent the yeoman farmer class from ever rising up against them. Ever wonder why poor whites fought for the economic rights of the rich plantation owners? It was because they were led to believe that since they were white, no matter how poor they were, they were equal to the richest slaveholder. This is called Herrenvolk Democracy. Fast forward to 1890s Georgia when Tom Watson, who started off as a Populist who wanted to unite whites and black sharecroppers to take on the Democratic Party, suddenly adopted the virulent racist tactics of the Democratic Party himself to come to power. What did the conservatives do during this time? They intimidated African-American voters into voting for the white supremacist party, and many of the populists turned on them thinking that attempts to cross racial lines was a mistake. Watson was one of them.
Fast forward to today, and we have conservatives playing the race card constantly, whether it is blaming minorities for the foreclosure crisis instead of the gamblers on Wall Street, whether it’s lashing back at Obama in the form of Teabagger Orgies, and whether it’s blaming so-called “illegal immigrants” for stealing jobs to keep the focus off corporations who exploit them…Any attempts to call them out on their race baiting bring the predictable calls of “playing the race card” and “liberals are racist, we should all be colorblind.”
I don’t buy the whole color-blind talk when it comes from conservatives. Not that I doubt your intentions are sincere. I’m sure they are, but the right has co-opted that color-blind talk from MLK to silence any talk on racism. They use it to project their own use of the race card to suggest that liberals are the true racists. They use it to silence those who want to take on institutional racism and suggest that since we passed Civil Rights laws, racism is a thing of the past and that these laws are now discriminatory against whites.
November 29th, 2009 at 5:33 pmTo 308: Thank you for showing the best example of retort that I’ve seen yet. You are a great example of most people when it comes to this debate. All you can do is attack my sanity and my character, and yet you can’t give me any real fact or explanation of why what I’m saying is wrong or “crazy.” I’ll bet you probably call anyone who disagrees with Obama’s agenda a racist.
It’s gotten old. I give a simple logical explanation of how I feel and try to explain why I feel this way. You come back with “You’re ugly,” or “You’re stupid.” Unless you can contribute something intelligent for our little debate here, please don’t interrupt. The adults are speaking.
Benjamin Franklin (the guy on the hundred dollar bill) said the only way that you can raise people out of poverty is to make them uncomfortable in it. I work with people who try to get fired on a daily basis just because they think they’re going to be able to get on unemployment.
Benjamin Franklin also once said “when you take from a man who will work and give it to a man who will not work, democracy has ended.” I’m not saying that I don’t sympathize with the people who can’t find jobs. I’m just saying that most people could work a little harder to find something. There are jobs in this country. Even though they might not come with all the old benefits and the big salary you’re used to.
You know, for almost three whole years my dad, my uncle, and my aunt all went without paychecks so that they could pay their employees. They went on unemloyment and we went without Christmas for two years (yes, I said Christmas, we celebrate Christmas at my house, not the “holidays”) so we could keep our business running and keep paying people to do their jobs. How many people in this country are willing to do that? Why couldn’t the boards of those big banks and car companies who were “too big to fail” do that?
To the people who make fun of Glenn Beck: I don’t really think you’ve ever even seen the program. You take one small out of context quote and try to make people think he’s evil. Watch it once and you just might be surprised. This of course is kind of like the religious debate: For a believer no proof is necessary, for a nonbeliever no proof will suffice.
To USCKitty: Thank you for giving me a logical debate. Even though I don’t agree, I’m glad we live in a country that we can have a political debate in a forum like this. I think that’s why I’m so against what’s going on right now. I really don’t think any of the people in our government know what they’re doing at all. To be completely honest, I think our government is way out of control and has been for a very long time. I think these people really are a threat to our democratic way of life, Republican and Democrat. They’re all money hungry and they’re all evil.
I’m tired of seeing them spend more of our money and basically sell us to foreign powers. I’m tired of seeing our president repeatedly show that he doesn’t know protocol when he meets other foreign leaders. I’m tired of hearing about how our Congress is supposed to be getting us out of the biggest financial crisis since the Great Depression when they can’t even balance their own checkbooks.
Our government has been bouncing checks for ten years. How many people on this website think that any of us could get away with that? You would have been locked up years ago. But for some reason our government gets away with it. They penalize us and take as much money as they can possibly get their hands on and that still isn’t enough.
And then they give themselves a payraise. Funny, I don’t remember my representatives coming to me and asking for a raise. Does anybody? Has a Congressional payraise ever been on a voting docket? I think it should be. Or how about we fire them all and just start over? I personally think that’s the only chance we have at this point: Do away with both major parties, re-elections, and life-long terms for Justices.
Did you guys know that Bill Clinton has lived in government housing ever since he graduated from school? We have people who have held their power for way too long and it needs to end. No one person or even one group should be able to dictate our country’s direction for the future. That’s why we have this system. That’s why the Senate and House aren’t supposed to be on the president’s side.
Checks and balances. Look what Bush II did with a Republican majority in Congress. Look how much we’re regretting it. It won’t be any different this time around, I promise you.
United States history has shown that the best way to make the economy move is to lower taxes and leave the people alone. The less government the better. This is what I’m looking for. I don’t care about right or left or even in the middle. I want to be able to live my life and not worry about the fact that the people in office are spending away my future.
What’s going to happen when China and Britain and all these others come calling on our debt to us? The government now owns half the mortgages in the country in addition to the banks and major car companies. The only asset we really even have left is our land. How many of you are going to be willing to move out of your houses when the federal government comes knocking on your door?
And please don’t call these fear tactics. This is the truth about the time we live in right now. Nobody can deny any of what I’ve said. The government’s spending is out of control. They are selling us all out to foreign countries. I don’t care what healthcare agenda, or any other noble things they are supposed to be doing.
What does a national healthcare program mean if there isn’t any money to pay for it. And don’t tell me will just tax the rich more. At the rate they’re going, there won’t be any rich left. We’ll just all be poor. We’ll all be jobless. We’ll all be hungry. And then we’ll all be enslaved because our government sold us to another country. I don’t want to look back one day and ask myself why this happened. I just want to know I at least saw it coming.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:42 pmTo USCKitty: Thank you for giving me a logical debate. Even though I don’t agree, I’m glad we live in a country that we can have a political debate in a forum like this. I think that’s why I’m so against what’s going on right now. I really don’t think any of the people in our government know what they’re doing at all. To be completely honest, I think our government is way out of control and has been for a very long time. I think these people really are a threat to our democratic way of life, Republican and Democrat. They’re all money hungry and they’re all evil.
Thank you for your post as well. I agree with you that both parties are corrupt and such. To be honest, I feel like that both parties are playing a game where we are the fools and that our political system is nothing but kabuki theater where both parties are corporate parties, but one just pretends to be more populist.
November 30th, 2009 at 2:12 pmYou’re absolutely right. I’ve thought that ever since watching John McCain’s performance during last year’s election.
And when I found out that the supposedly most liberal man (Obama) to hold a seat in Congress was against gay marriage I immediately distrusted him.
The last logical person I actually saw on TV was Ron Paul. When people asked him what his stances were on different issues he didn’t always give a clear answer but he did make it clear that he thinks the government shouldn’t spend any more of our money.
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if this was all being orchestrated by both sides. It seems like they just want more control.
And talking about corporate. Did anybody know that GE owns the land that the U.N. building sits on? Did anybody know that they were also one of the biggest contributors to Obama’s “grass roots” campaign?
I guess I could go on forever about how the rich corporations have infiltrated our government. It’s cool though. As long as there are people who understand what’s going on and recognize the problem, it doesn’t matter where our core values lie, we’re all still American.
No matter what any of these polarizing forces may try to make us believe, we still live in the greatest country on earth. We have the best opportunities, the best way of life. Period. This website and all the others like it are proof.
The people that stand up and shout “Freedom!” at the top of their lungs are what makes this country truely amazing. All of us come from the most pioneering individuals ever to walk the earth.
In the beginning, nobody was native to this land. Every person here comes from someone who, willing or not, gave up their homes, and in many cases their freedoms (I’m not just talking about slaves) to come try a make a new way of life for themselves and their children. People that were willing to sail around the earth forever without a home because the tyrants in their own countries were so intolerable.
So let us be thankful. Let us all give thanks that we’re American. That we have the opportunity like no other group of people on earth to criticize our government. That we have the opportunity to become whatever we want to in our lives. That we have the opportunity to have spirited debates about the right courses of action for our government.
I don’t mean to sound arrogant in this either. The only country on earth with its own Dream is the United States of America. You never hear about the Russian Dream or the Chinese Dream. Most of them all dream about coming to our country so they can have the opportunities that we sometimes take for granted. Even if you only have a few pennies in your pocket, if you’re the poorest person in the country, you’re still part of the richest 8 percent of the earth’s population.
The best example I have of this is the man that works at the convenient store I use. He’s from Ethiopia. He told me once that he was very surprised when he arrived here because he had been taught his whole life that the streets of the U.S. were paved in gold. He supports his family back in Ethiopia off his paycheck he makes here. He only sends about $50 back every month because that’s all it takes to keep his family in a house. A nice house actually.
This is the power of our country. Our system. And that’s not the only example either. The experts believe that over $90 billion goes over the border to Mexico every year. Immigrants who come here to live and support their families back home. And that’s just one example of how our country is so great.
So like I said, let us all be thankful for our country, each other and our way of life. Little differences aside, we’re all still American. We’re all still in the same boat when our “leaders” mess things up for us. And let us not become complacent or forget what others have had to lose and fight for just so we could have all this.
Might as well go full Tiny Tim: And God bless us, everyone!
(I meant no offense to any atheists or agnostics who might be reading this. Lighten up, Christians did!)
November 30th, 2009 at 6:03 pmWell have a great holiday season…take care.
December 1st, 2009 at 3:31 am