Rove Does His Best Cheney Impression As He Eagerly Dismisses ‘Draft Cheney’ Rumors
Rove Does His Best Cheney Impression As He Eagerly Dismisses ‘Draft Cheney’ Rumors
Ever since Liz Cheney floated her father as a possible presidential contender in 2012, rumors have swirled that the former VP may be thinking about such a run. Now, a group of right-wing activists is unveiling a new organization — “Draft Dick Cheney 2012.”
This morning on Fox News, former Bush political adviser Karl Rove summarily dismissed the “draft Cheney” rumors, and did so by mocking Cheney’s characteristically curmudgeon voice:
FOX: Karl, would Dick Cheney have any chance in running for the Oval Office in 2012? His favorability ratings were on the rise at last check, but still very low.
ROVE: Well, look, that’s a question we don’t even need to ask. Cheney’s been asked this question himself this past week, and I will quote Vice President Cheney when he was asked would you run for President in 2012. He said, [Rove doing Cheney impression] “Not a chance.”
I mean, look, he’s not running. He’s not running. [Rove doing Cheney impression] “Not a chance.”
Interestingly, in his eagerness to dismiss even the slightest hint that Cheney might run, Rove never offered a positive word during the segment about Cheney’s service as Vice President. “There are limits as to what Dick Cheney could be called upon to do for the country,” Rove said. Watch it:
Many right-wing activists had urged Cheney to make a run for president in 2008. In a piece titled “Cheney’s Chance,” The New York Sun wrote in 2007, “For those of us who are concerned with extending Mr. Bush’s campaign for freedom around the world and cutting taxes at home, a Cheney campaign is attractive.”
In this week’s Newsweek, Jon Meacham argues in favor of a Cheney presidential run, writing that it would offer the American public an opportunity to render a clear verdict on the Bush record.
“Because Cheney is a man of conviction, has a record on which he can be judged, and whatever the result, there could be no ambiguity about the will of the people,” Meacham writes, adding, “A campaign would also give us an occasion that history denied us in 2008: an opportunity to adjudicate the George W. Bush years in a direct way.”
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November 28th, 2009 at 10:28 amNow, a group of right-wing activists are unveiling a new organization — “Draft Dick Cheney 2012.”
Yeah right, he’d just file for his 6th deferment.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:35 amReinstitute the draft for artful dodging Dicks like Cheney and Armey.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:36 amHow deranged do you have to be to think this country would elect Cheney as President? These nuts have really fallen off the deep end with all this talk about Cheney, Palin, Beck ect, ect. The repug party has left the planet and are now floating out in space. Hooray!!!
November 28th, 2009 at 10:39 amsilly me i thought 2012 was to elect a president not to a referendum on the screwups of a past president
November 28th, 2009 at 10:40 amAnd yet, the trolls will come here and try to tell us what failures we are……
November 28th, 2009 at 10:58 am“Because Cheney is a man of conviction, has a record on which he can be judged…”
And one day hopefully Dick and Dubya will be convicted for that record.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:00 amWell, be fair, angels… what else do they have?
November 28th, 2009 at 11:00 am“Because Cheney is a man of conviction, has a record…”
Not yet, but we can hope that President Obama realizes that country comes before a misguided desire for bipartisanship and turns Holder loose to charge these war criminals and bring them to justice.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:01 amhar5125,
either we’re both geniuses or we’re both too lazy to look beyond the low hanging fruit…
November 28th, 2009 at 11:02 amI prefer Jon Stewart’s impersonation of Dick Cheney. It’s more realistic.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:05 amNominate Cheney and let the war crimes trials begin. Oh please, oh please, oh please . . .
November 28th, 2009 at 11:05 amSo would a tribunal for War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity!
November 28th, 2009 at 11:06 am“Not a chance.” Good slogan for the Pubs.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:09 amIt is sort of unfair that KKKarl uses words like conviction and record when describing his dark master. It gets everybody’s hopes up.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:12 amI think the Republicans are Worried about the Split in their ranks….
a split between the Vaccuous Palin/Bachmann/Beck Teabagger faction….which will spell diasater for 2012,,
And the Evil, but at least Coherent, Neocon/Cheney position.
The Republicans must now realize, that to win back anything on a national Stage, they need to at least pretend to have the grown ups in Charge of the country.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:14 am“Because Cheney is a man of conviction, has a record on which he can be judged, and whatever the result, there could be no ambiguity about the will of the people,”
What the hell does this mean? There was absolutely no ambiguity in the last election.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:20 amPoor Olby Sucks. So easily confused.
I guess that’s why he’s a right-winger.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:22 amHow is it a hit piece? Rove ran his mouth for the whole world to hear.
This is why you will never be taken seriously on the playground too.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:25 amYou came here with a “hit piece” and claim to be attacking a “hit piece” that is nothing of the kind.
Maybe you can clear up some of the cloudiness in your brain and start over.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:26 ami support the “draft cheney” movement. send both fat cow liz and daddy coward over to their war of choice in iraq.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:28 amConfusion is the natural state of things between a troll’s ears. It has something to do with all the voices and pinballs rattling around up there at the same time. Maybe someone should toss out something shiny.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:28 amThis is the part I find interesting. Imagine how much time will have to pass before they can revise that history. It is just too fresh in everyone’s mind now.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:28 amLet’s see….Rove…not running. Cheney…not running. Huh? DUH!
Of course they are not running. They are two of the most UNPOPULAR political Items in the Country.
But that doesn’t mean that they are not doing what they’ve always done Best….Manipulating from behind the scene.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:28 amOSTL says:
Cheney/Rove in 2012!
Yes please!!
November 28th, 2009 at 11:28 amIf you think that annoys or scares us, you’re wrong. We encourage it.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:29 amYeah, to Democrats! :)
Go Dick, go!
November 28th, 2009 at 11:30 amJon Meacham is a decent guy, but sometimes his thought processing is confused.
We already defeated the Bush/Cheney reign with a huge Democratic majority and a Democratic president one year ago.
The 8 years of Bush/Cheney were believed to have been a disastrous administration by every measure, and after another year has passed, the effects of their reign are still being felt throughout the land.
Just because people wanted Obama to fix everything within 90 days of being in office — an unrealistic and impossible desire — they think that we need more years of Cheney, to recertify what?
Let’s see where the nation is at the end of 4 years of Obama, and hopefully at the end of 8 years of Obama. Anyone silly enough to believe we won’t be in a far better place?
We’re still reeling from the 8 Bush/Cheney years; let’s give Obama the same amount of time to set us right again.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:30 am“a Cheney campaign is attractive.”
the words “cheney” and “attractive” should never be used together in the same sentence if one wishes to be taken seriously.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:31 amNow if we could just figure out a way to get Dick and Karl to marry Mooseboogers and Batsh!t before 2012 we could have a truly awesome dream team. And since Bible Spice likes the sound of President Palin, we could have a First Lady Dick.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:34 amCare to elaborate. 3 legged coffee table?
November 28th, 2009 at 11:36 am“You “gave” Bush 8 yrs?”
no, but the Supreme Court gave him four. where were the constitutional scholars known as the “tenthers” causing a recus then?
November 28th, 2009 at 11:37 amJust A Thought: Cheney is secretly planning on running for president in 2012 and is just putting feelers out there to see what kind of support and reaction he gets from the idiot, war is the answer neanderthals on the right.
Scary nightmare scenario: Behind the scenes, those with the power and money plan a terrorist attack within the country, once again the MSM fails to ask questions and runs with the story fed by those responsible for the attack, Soon cries that Obama can’t keep us safe hit home with millions of Americans who like a bunch of dumb sheep eat up the new Cheney propaganda being spewed all over the MSM and we end up with Dick Cheney/Jeb Bush in 2012.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:38 amCheney and Rove in 2012?
Are we talking about the election or the jail sentence, Olby Sucks?
November 28th, 2009 at 11:39 amYou “gave” Bush 8 yrs? LOL!
No we didn’t. They stole it. Actual fact.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:39 amCheney/Rove in 2012!
It would be hard to run the country if both the president and vice president were in prison.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:40 amWell that’s the thing, Fred. Wingnuts have trouble distinguishing between hysterical laughter and just plain hysterics of the type to which they’re prone when faced with (largely imagined) threats.
My theory is that they live in a state of fear so much of their lives that they assume the rest of us are as easily frightened.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:45 amCheney is more popular than the rest of the republicans right now. Of course its really low for both of them.
I wonder why, don’t you olby?
Republican Party Now Less Popular Than Dick Cheney
November 28th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Cheney/Rove in 2012!
This just proves how stupid Olby is. Rove has no personal political ambitions, he always has and always will work his evil behind the curtain and show up now and than on the FOX entertainment channel to spew his lies and idiocies to rally the neanderthals.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:49 amWhat’s the matter troll? Did I hit the nail on the head with my last statement? You big a$$ dummy!
November 28th, 2009 at 11:51 amsquirrel!
stay on topic, olby.
don’t deviate from the yellow line.
:)
November 28th, 2009 at 11:51 amYou’re saying hasan is not guilty?
November 28th, 2009 at 11:52 amEver since Liz Cheney floated her father as a possible presidential contender in 2012 …
poor liz… no one takes her seriously…
everyone thinks she was referring to the dick…
of course she was actually thinking of her own self…
doncha know?
November 28th, 2009 at 11:52 amI think the amazing thing about the Republican Party right now it that their front-runners for 2012 want to secede from the Union!
November 28th, 2009 at 11:52 amHasan is guilty of murder, he is guilty of going postal, he is guilty of a crime, he will face American justice and so should Dick Cheney.
If Dick Cheney were a democrat and pulled the crap he did as the VP the knuckle dragging, drooling neanderthals on the right would be calling for his head, but since he is a rethuglicon, breaking laws, shredding the constitution, lying us into war, using torture, spying on Americans is A-OK with the neanderthals on the right….Brilliant!
November 28th, 2009 at 11:55 amI find it odd that OSTL would be proclaiming that hasan is not guilty.
I personally don’t know yet. I’ll wait until there is a trial.
It is odd though for ostl to proclaim hasan’s innocence though.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:55 amBriseadh na Faire says:
I think the amazing thing about the Republican Party right now it that their front-runners for 2012 want to secede from the Union!
November 28th, 2009 at 11:58 am————————————————————–
That is true but this is one of the possible scenarios that could get many republicans to beg someone like Cheney to run.
Fred ♫ says:
It is odd though for ostl to proclaim hasan’s innocence though.
oh, i’m sure that was joe cantwell trying to possess olby there.
trying to do the ultimate namejack.
of course, that’s all in his mind.
:/
November 28th, 2009 at 12:05 pmYou’re a better man than I if you can find any sense in Olby Sucks Long Time’s post, Fred.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:07 pmI can’t Ralph. Just making fun of that very fact…..
Trolls are really pitifull these days aren’t they?
November 28th, 2009 at 12:09 pmFred,
The trolls seem to be unable to distinguish between guilt found in a court of law and guilt found by simply using one’s brain and studying the facts. It seems to them as though the only people “guilty” of doing something wrong are the people convicted in a court of law. By that reasoning, Maj Hasan would be “innocent” as he hasn’t been convicted of anything in a court of law. Yet.
And though he has never been charged with a crime (yet), Dick Cheney is clearly guilty of many, many things, not least of which is taking his Vice Presidential Oath of Office in bad faith, twice. He never had any intention of preserving, protecting, and defending the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. In fact, he actively worked to get around it every chance he could. He belongs in prison, and I look forward to the day when President Obama recognizes that fact and does the right thing.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:13 pm“Because Cheney is a man of conviction, has a record on which he can be judged, and whatever the result, there could be no ambiguity about the will of the people,” Meacham writes, adding, “A campaign would also give us an occasion that history denied us in 2008: an opportunity to adjudicate the George W. Bush years in a direct way.”
The will of the people? Didn’t Deadeye Dick’s approval rating go down to like 12%? I’d say that’s pretty damned unambiguous right there!!
Rove, Cheney AND Bush ought to be in prison. Supermax. All of ‘em. For the rest of their shrivelled, weaselly little lives.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:14 pmsock alert!
olby sucks, one of my socks have gone rogue!
shocker!
quick, vote it down before it gets, away!
November 28th, 2009 at 12:15 pmI’d like to take this, “opportunity to adjudicate the George W. Bush years in a direct way.”
Middle finger extended (both hands)
November 28th, 2009 at 12:18 pmDraft Cheney? That really is a rich one. Doesn’t he hold the Guinness World Record for number of deferments?
November 28th, 2009 at 12:25 pmPresident Obama needs to investigate the bush administration while he can. you know the repubs will be hauling him to Gitmo for covering up treason (by the bushistas) as soon as they can. Of course the statute of limitations will have run out on bush/cheney by then…
November 28th, 2009 at 12:26 pmtracy, most of the country is already proud of its pres. it’s the 23%ers who have no pride. or courage. or morals. or intelligence…
November 28th, 2009 at 12:28 pmMeacham writes, adding, “A campaign would also give us an occasion that history denied us in 2008: an opportunity to adjudicate the George W. Bush years in a direct way.”
History has rendered an interim judgment when the Republicans lost not only the presidency but the Congress which now has a lot more Dems. I use the word “interim” because we do not know what future disclosures may show. But I would guess that the documents that are declassified in a couple decades are going to show that the 8 years of Bush was even worse than we know now.
Cheney’s popularity cannot be accurately measured until he actively seeks the office. I do not think he will run nor will he campaign for any candidate since that could be the kiss of death. He may appeal to the hardcore, but Cheney would chase away the moderates and independents. A campaign would put Cheney in the position of defending the Bush administration and its actions. The failures in Iraq and Afghanistan would necessarily come up during a campaign. Those failures alone could doom the Republican party. The economic policy failures would assure a massive defeat of the Republicans. Cheney will not entertain the thought of running.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:30 pmWe knew you were low class Tracy_____5248554.
Please elaborate on that which you are proud of where cheney is concerned.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:30 pmbring back the pride!
Seriously. We haven’t tortured anyone in over a year. Or invaded anyone. And Jeebus won’t be happy if we give up our Holy Crusades. /snark
November 28th, 2009 at 12:32 pmtrace,
if they were proud of what Cheney did,
he would have run in 2008, right?
:A
November 28th, 2009 at 12:32 pmdickey can’t run for president because he just finished two terms.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:34 pmThe only run the Dickster is keeping in mind right now is the one for the border if the AG or some other country decides its time to bring him to justice.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:36 pmPurple State says:
trace,
if they were proud of what Cheney did,
he would have run in 2008, right?
:A
History teaches us that, occasionally, the hero’s work takes time to be appreciated. Harry S. Truman is a good example of this principle.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:38 pmPride, Tracy?
Pride in torture? Pride in war? Pride in murdering civilians?
Haven’t you heard, Tracy, that Pride is one of the Seven Deadly Sins…?
November 28th, 2009 at 12:42 pmWould Dick Cheney be able to produce a birth certificate? Because I didn’t think penguins got birth certificates when they hatched.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:42 pmPurp, for the record, that’s a joke. Neo-cons are ALWAYS comparing themselves to Truman when they f-up and do something the public hates.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:43 pmBush/Cheney took this country to the brink of total economic and moral collapse. A Cheney/Jeb Bush ticket in 2012 would be a dream ticket for anyone who’s wishing for the death of the United States of America.
I could see Osama bin Laden or Al Qaeda contributing money to a Cheney/Bush ticket.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:44 pmTracy_5 has mistaken Cheney’s lack of conscience
November 28th, 2009 at 12:44 pmand egocentric shamelessness for pride.
Marie says:
History teaches us that, occasionally, the hero’s work takes time to be appreciated. Harry S. Truman is a good example of this principle.
But the converse is also true.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:52 pmI thought the criminal Rove was in prison?
November 28th, 2009 at 12:55 pmLet’s see: with Cheney as veep, the U.S.:
November 28th, 2009 at 12:57 pm1.) Was hit with four terrorist attacks on 9/11.
2.) Was hit with several anthrax attacks beginning later that September, for which no one was ever prosecuted.
3.) Opened Guantanamo and kept accused terrorists without charging them.
4.) Spied on Americans.
5.) Waged two wars, one on verifiable lies about weapons of mass destruction.
6.) Unsuccessfully went after the leader of al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, who is still at large, eight years later.
7.) Left two wars for a Democratic President to clean up.
Would anyone except the Kool-Aid drinkers vote for this guy? I think not.
Oops! I forgot
November 28th, 2009 at 12:58 pm8.) Outed an undercover CIA agent in political retaliation for her husband’s truth-telling.
Pennsylvanianne, don’t forget his secret energy policy meetings…
November 28th, 2009 at 1:01 pmTracy_____________526461864764218554664161516541646464
Please elaborate. Proclamations mean nothing.
How can such a dishonorable man restore honor to anything?
Please point to something honorable that he did.
I patiently await your response.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:05 pmDick Cheney will restore honor to the White House and to our nation.
Nice trick since he was the one mainly responsible for dishonoring both his office and our nation.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:05 pmnext, t5 will tell us that rummy is an honorable man.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:07 pmI believe that t5 is a coward. He has made two pronouncements here this morning, both on the level of trying to tell us that the earth is flat and when asked to elaborate he just goes off on another tangent.
One would get the impression that t5 doesn’t really believe what he says.
Why would a sane person do that?
November 28th, 2009 at 1:09 pmThe harshness of your rhetoric belies your arguments.
Only to a delusional troll is a list of factual occurrences relegated to the realm of rhetoric. Of course, the realm of fantasy and rhetoric is where trolls live and they can’t be bothered with reality.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:12 pmI hate to have to say this so bluntly, but no one who truly loves America and all it stands for would believe that Dick Cheney would make a good president. No one.
So, if you truly believe that Dick Cheney would make a good preseident, then you don’t love America and all it stands for.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:14 pmWho is Marie at @70?
November 28th, 2009 at 1:18 pmShe’s not me.
I dont’ disagree, but two people with the same name??
Trolls and Republicans tend to be very short sighted. This comes from having one’s world view restricted to the interior of their colon.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:20 pmnot gonna happen, trace.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:20 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
storm lies. If all you got is Fred Barnes of the Weekly Standard then you really got nothing:
Tougher rules against revolving door for lobbyists and former officials
WASHINGTON — In its first detailed effort to overhaul financial regulations, the Obama administration on Wednesday sought new authority over the complex financial instruments, known as derivatives, that were a major cause of the financial crisis and have gone largely unregulated for decades.
Obama Administration Pushes Back at Bank Lobbying on Regulation
Next liar.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:30 pmI get it now, Tracy_MMIX. You’re trying to be ridiculously stupid. Now your posts make sense.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:32 pmSpeaking of liars, t5 just went over the edge. He no longer is even trying.
That’s what I call giving up.
I guess you really got nothing to defend your position eh?
November 28th, 2009 at 1:32 pmt5, are you a man or are you a mouse?
I say you’re even afraid of mice.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:34 pmThe GOP’s vision for 2012 sounds like a Futurama episode.
Dick Cheney’s head in a jar as president
Karl Rove as the chief of staff
Charles Krauthammer as the press secretary
John Bolton as secretary of state
To secure the maverick teabagger vote,
November 28th, 2009 at 1:40 pmSarah Palin would be his vice-president,
but she would quit before the end of the first year.
storm and tracy, sitting in some trees,
November 28th, 2009 at 1:41 pmone says obama and the other one pees,
one is a coward, the other is a wussy
That’s why they both like the 5 deferment pussy.
Bravo Bobwurst.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:44 pmtrace,
i say we go one further!
richard nixon for president!
bring back the pride?
:A
November 28th, 2009 at 1:47 pmThat’s one hundred years from now, Tracy.
You’re going to need more efficient energy and less pollutants to get there.
You’re going to need less concrete conservatism to get there.
You’re going to need less countries hating conservative leadership globally to get there.
You’re going to need a “plan”.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:53 pmTracy__5 says
Now you’re just talking through the drug haze.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:54 pmAdditionally, after reading t5’s post, I am going to call him a dishonest plagurizer.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:57 pmStormy, Tracy, since you two lovebirds can’t stay on topic, please explain why sarah has removed her wedding ring?
November 28th, 2009 at 1:57 pmhttp://www.buzzfeed.com/rchemel/why-isnt-sarah-palin-wearing-her-wedding-ring-4c
extending Mr. Bush’s campaign for DESTRUCTION around the world and cutting taxes FOR THE EXTREMELY RICH at home….”
“Because Cheney is a man WHO SHOULD BE CONVICTED, has a CRIMINAL RECORD on which he SHOULD BE JUDGED and whatever the result, WHICH SHOULD END HIM IN PRISON FOR LIFE, there could be no ambiguity about the will of the people, THAT HE DESERVES LIFE”
Why is Obama harboring WAR CRIMINALS?
November 28th, 2009 at 2:04 pmTracy_MMIX,
So, what you’re saying is that you are not trying to be ridiculusly stupid, you’re just naturally delusional? Okay, your posts make sense from that angle, too.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:05 pmTracy, serious question… What can we liberals and progressives do to help you repugs get Cheney on the ticket for 2012? I would really like to see him run as your man, so what can we do?
November 28th, 2009 at 2:06 pmYeah tracy, I’m going to ask her to the prom and shower her with pig’s blood, that’s what I’m going to do all right.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:06 pmAnd that’s quitter palin, not governor palin. Unless you agree that she is governor of Quittsilvania.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:09 pmPalin has been bathing in Moose blood, recreationally, for years.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:09 pmCome on Tracy answer the question I posted @109. It really was a serious question.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:13 pmOh, you mean that hypocrictal whore from California…that carrie. I’m not doing anything to either of those right-wing internet masturbation models, except holding them to the same standards you frauds hold everyone else to.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:13 pmWhat’s the matter tracy, can’t bring yourself to come to the defense of Gov. Palin (Quittsilvania)?
November 28th, 2009 at 2:21 pmI thought the “Carrie treatment” was to remove one’s microphone in protest of Larry King’s questions?
November 28th, 2009 at 2:22 pmt5 wants the drug ☭ czar’s ☭ (Bill Bennett)opinion.
How’s that drug war workin out for ya t5? out of rehab yet?
November 28th, 2009 at 2:27 pmTracy, you didn’t answer my question from the last thread about Cheney. How come? OK, I get it…Its just to hard for ya, right?
November 28th, 2009 at 2:28 pmLIke I said Tracy, you cons have all sorts of standards, for others. And before you bring up bennet again, why doesn’t he hold his side to those standards?
November 28th, 2009 at 2:30 pmCheney can’t run in 2012. He would have to come out of his undisclosed location to do it, and he’s too afraid to do that.
He had to ask the Obama Administration for a 6 month extension of his Secret Service protection earlier this year, proof that he is afraid of something. Retaliation from the relatives of those he tortured, maybe?
Most progressives/liberals wouldn’t touch him with a 40 foot pole.
Let’s also keep in mind that his most recent radio interview was done from an undisclosed location.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:31 pmmajil, can we cut that 40 ft pole into 10 4 ft lengths? I know at least 9 people who would like to stand in a circle around cheney and beat him with a stick…
November 28th, 2009 at 2:33 pmBAck to my original question tracy, why has gov palin (quittsilvania) taken off her wedding ring?
November 28th, 2009 at 2:35 pmCome on tracy, don’t cower in the basement, explain how those conservative family values function for all the republican sodomites (Male and female)?
November 28th, 2009 at 2:37 pmTo create a team along typical Neocon lines, they’d need to find another “charismatic front person;” the shiny object to be held up to distract everyone while the other works behind the scenes. It worked the first time for Bush/Cheney, so one would guess it’d have to be another ___/Cheney ticket. The problem is there’s no one around to fit the President slot, unless they try to re-polish Palin and put her in front.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:39 pmTracy, billy bennets book of virtues has chapters for the following
Self Discipline: Can’t control his gambling addiction
Responsibility: Spent hundreds of thousands of his family’s dollars on his selfish gambling addiction
Honesty: Hid his gambling addiction from his family
Loyalty: see above
Perseverance:Ok, I’ll give him this. Anyone who can sit infront of a slot machine all night has peerseverance.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:45 pm“The harshness of your rhetoric belies your arguments.”
November 28th, 2009 at 2:48 pmTracy_5, you do understand what “belies” means, yes? If not, keep in mind for future reference you just agreed with the commenter’s list of Cheney’s failures.
I don’t know who they are, but if they have money to throw away, then of course go for a “draft Cheney movement”. Divided they cannot do as much harm and the repugs will continue their race to the bottom. So go man, go. Cheney is a fringe freakinpolitician and deserves the help of all the “fringe freaks” he can gather. Stay out of the main stream. Go, repugs, GO!!
November 28th, 2009 at 2:49 pmpakaai, They were banking on mark sanford, he had a reasonable front, he was young, seemingly decent, had a perfect family, etc. Too bad he couldn’t keep his pecker in the northern hemisphere. Sarah was mccain’s choice, not the rulers of the republicans. look for someone in sanford mold.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:49 pmpakaai, tracy lives in a world where dick cheney is an honorable and patriotic man, mere words have no meaning in a hell like that.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:53 pmTracy_5
Wayne I’ve posted here almost from the beginning. I think you know that. You and I have debated many a “hot button” issue, old friend. But you are standing before the wave of freedom. You cannot stop it. Hundreds of year from now historians will look back of this period and recognize that the liberalism that infected this country was like the plague that gripped medieval Europe. But, thanks to the cauterizing effects of common sense conservatism, the liberal disease was banished forever.
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Tracy, in all due respect, your party is having an incredibly difficult time taking ownership of the “Conservative Legacy of G W Bush”. The country is at the end game of Regan’s legacy of unbridled capitalism. The country has chosen the leadership of the sitting president, and all the rhetoric and historical revision can’t change the fact that the country has rejected by a significant majority this brand of conservatism. Keep in mind that part of our democracy is the ability of the country to change course when it has been determined by the voter that a change is required. This course change is at the very heart of our freedoms.
Liberals are no more a disease than conservatives, but the men who claim to be the leaders of these movements can be corrupt.
I find your statement that “liberalism is a disease” illustrates your complete lack in confidence in the very system you claim to love.
Keep in mind that it was the liberals that led this country through two world wars (successfully), and pulled this country out of the great depression to fight one of those world wars.
Consider the end of the Viet Nam conflict when the Americans were leaving Saigon.
This is my image of a principled conservatives winning a war.
Consider the two quagmires placed on Obama’s plate, again conservatives principles at work.
Consider the economy, for conservatives the economy was sound up to the economic collapse.
“Conservative Principles”, I beg you to define, “what principles”?
November 28th, 2009 at 3:10 pmJon Meacham argues in favor of a Cheney presidential run, writing that it would offer the American public an opportunity to render a clear verdict on the Bush record.
I agree with this. A verdict of guilty.
as Palin says ‘Hang em High!’
November 28th, 2009 at 3:39 pmTracy_5 says some propaganda about:
you are standing before the wave of freedom. You cannot stop it. Hundreds of year from now historians will look back of this period and recognize that the liberalism that infected this country was like the plague that gripped medieval Europe.
Tracy… how does it feel supporting the top 1%? How does it feel being the brainwashed tool of corporations? Keep supporting those that push for longer hours, less pay, and greater inequality. Keep supporting those who historically destroy the economy, erode our rights and take your wages in honor of the ‘free market’. How does it feel doing the dirty work for those who wouldn’t lift a finger to help you? You are the oppressed supporting the oppressor. If conservatives had their way we would still BE in the medieval ages.. Tracy.. it’s not too late to realize – you are being used.
November 28th, 2009 at 3:52 pmI recommend you read some of Bill Bennett’s fine books on the subject to improve your knowledge.
November 28th, 2009 at 3:54 pm—
Any chance you could just tell me which pages have the best gambling advice? Thanks-
Tracy_5:
…you are standing before the wave of freedom. You cannot stop it. Hundreds of year from now historians will look back of this period and recognize that the liberalism that infected this country was like the plague that gripped medieval Europe.
This is going to burst your bubble. The US Revolutionary War is based in liberal concepts about who governs the people. This was followed by the French Revolution based in the same liberal principles. The conservatives lost on both accounts and that ultimately lead to the European revolutions of 1848. Government by the people was then established throughout most of Europe. US history is an account of one after another of a liberal concept being adopted: the end of slavery, women’s and black’s right to vote, FDR’s New Deal, Social Security, Medicare, etc.
November 28th, 2009 at 4:10 pmPags2..
The conservatives are still waiting for ‘the south to rise again’..
cause it worked so well the first time.
November 28th, 2009 at 4:14 pmI recommend you read some of Bill Bennett’s fine books on the subject to improve your knowledge.
I’ll gladly stand corrected if I am wrong, but aren’t “Bill Bennett’s books” not so much “Bill Bennett’s”, but rather a collection of things that other people wrote and he compiled? To enrich himself?
November 28th, 2009 at 4:46 pmTracy_5,
I find great pleasure in informing you the present Conservatives are the diseased part of the Democratic party that was shed 40 years ago. This disease has corrupted the Republican Party.
Tracy my man, the Democrats realized this disease and got ride of it. You Republicans are now the proud owner of this perversion. The only difference is you Republicans accepted the disease opened arm and now it’s consuming you.
Doctor heal they self!!!!!
November 28th, 2009 at 5:04 pmBuckshot is so stupid he doesn’t know the vp is part of the executive office.
Our standing in the world will greatly affected.
November 28th, 2009 at 5:11 pmCheney is an old, old man and the young folks will come out in droves to vote because the youth is tired of white, old men telling them what to do and what not to do.
November 28th, 2009 at 5:28 pmMy party’s now quietly ushering in the Defend Bush bandwagon. Bailing out the little guy will still be considered “welfare”, while bailing out the hot shots, the massively more expensive version of welfare, will be further shilled as “protecting the financhel system.”
My party doesn’t care that they fall on their asses with all their platitudes. It’s that my party is bailed out so much by evil, big government that we have no incentive to care. Our special interests are the gravy train that never ends.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:14 pmI agree with this:
November 28th, 2009 at 8:04 pm“Because Cheney is a man facing conviction, and has a record of torture and deception, on which he can be fairly judged and punished accordingly”
Liz Cheney’s Dick has no place to run for anything, except to run from the law, accountability, and personal responsibility.
He conspired to defraud the government for God’s sake. What are they talking about. This is pure TV Fantasy Theatre folks.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:09 pmDick “Benedict Arnold” Cheney running for president?
Hasn’t this conservative cretin done enough dick-tatorial damage to our democracy already?
November 28th, 2009 at 8:18 pmRove does a Cheney impression? I thought Rove was Cheney in drag, or is it the other way round?
Suppose you get Rove into the butt end of a faux-horse suit, and then get Cheney in one too, then put the two butts together. No, it isn’t a horse’s arse squared. It’s an impression of Rush “Pudge” Blimpboy.
(many snarks)
I agree, however, with Meachem; “Because Cheney is a man of conviction, has a record on which he can be judged, and whatever the result, there could be no ambiguity…“. Let’s not be at all ambiguous, let’s assure that he has a conviction and is judged on the record – war criminal, corrupt politician, coward. Drop the hammer and into the slammer.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:36 pmIt is likely that ‘liberal thought’ has prevented history from painfully, repeating itself! Here, America’s new liberalism has preceded other nacent democracies! “Liberty, equality, fraternity!” Here, all voices are presumed, equal! Here, and there, the ‘fire of democracy’ is passed off, with greater, benefits!
November 28th, 2009 at 8:41 pmBobwurst says:
“Because Cheney is a man of conviction, has a record…”
Not yet,
Actually, I believe he was convicted twice on DUI charges.
A guy with an 18% approval rating is not running for anything.
This whole “Draft Cheney” bs is a typical Rove style ploy to try to make “Indict Cheney” seem ridiculous by pretending that Cheney is a feasible, legitimate, lawful and law abiding candidate.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:27 pmA Happy Thought indeed, let the Cheney run for President, let him team up with Palin for Pres!
November 29th, 2009 at 2:08 pmLet’s make the Palin/Bachmann ticket happen!!!
For myself, a lifelong Progressive since my first vote in 1976 I would only pray for such a development.
Let’s be honest, the Republicans would have to be suicidal if they were to field a Palin/Bachmann, or Cheny/anybody ticket. It would be the most effective way for the Progressives to build a real coalition of power that may well never be changed.
So, if you are a Republican, please vote for Dick Chaney, Sarah Palin, or Michelle Bachmann, pleeeeeeeeeeeeease.
How could Cheney possibly run the country from a secret and secure location?
November 30th, 2009 at 9:05 am