Inhofe Trashes Military Generals Who Advocate For Clean Energy Legislation: They Crave ‘The Limelight’
Inhofe Trashes Military Generals Who Advocate For Clean Energy Legislation: They Crave ‘The Limelight’
In testimony before the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, retired Vice Admiral Dennis McGinn articulated a national security argument for passing clean energy legislation. “Continued over reliance on fossil fuels, or small, incremental steps, simply will not create the kind of future security and prosperity that the American people and our great Nation deserve,” McGinn warned.
In an interview with the New York Times Magazine, Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK), the ranking member of the Senate environment committee, argued that McGinn and other generals who are advocating for clean energy reform (like Wesley Clark, Stephen Cheney, Brent Scowcroft, etc) are simply doing so because they crave “the limelight”:
NYT: Senator Boxer is chairwoman of the Environment and Public Works Committee,on which you are the ranking Republican. She and her fellow Democrats have lately suggested that global warming could be a threat to national security by destabilizing developing countries.
INHOFE: That’s the most ludicrous thing. They looked around and they found, I think, five generals to testify before the committee. Well, that’s 5 generals out of 4,000 retired generals that say that. There are a lot of generals who don’t like to be out of the limelight. They’d like to get back in.
Despite Inhofe’s desire to trash the motivations of military generals who have a different view than he does about the impending climate crisis, the national security implications of climate change cannot be so easily dismissed. For at least the past two years, “military and intelligence experts have been issuing studies warning that climate change could put American military personnel and national security at risk. Increasingly violent storms, pandemics, drought and large-scale refugee problems, they say, will destabilize regions and encourage terrorism. And American dependence on foreign energy sources will only exacerbate the threats and increase the likelihood of military action.”
It’s not just military generals who are making this argument. Inhofe’s former colleague, John Warner (who Inhofe acknowledged has had “a long and distinguished career in the military”), also understands the security implications of global warming:
WARNER: Leading military, intelligence, and security experts have publically spoken out that if left unchecked, global warming could increase instability and lead to conflict in already fragile regions of the world. If we ignore these facts, we do so at the peril of our national security and increase the risk to those in uniform who serve our nation. It is for this reason that I firmly believe the U.S. must take a leadership role in reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
Of course, Inhofe probably believes Warner is craving the limelight too. Apparently, everyone needs to take lessons from Inhofe about how to unassumingly fly below the radar.
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What will the climate change Republicans say once it becomes apparent that global warming isn’t some kind of liberal talking point? How will they explain reality to their children when there is no food?
Republicans live in a fantasy world where corporations can abuse our Earth’s environment as much as they want, and God will take clean things up. The reality is that once this planet cannot support life, we all die, and God will die with us.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:47 amFirst sentence should read,
“What will the climate change denier Republicans say…”
November 29th, 2009 at 8:48 amWhat Inhofe fails to understand is that not everybody is a sellout and an attention whore like him, and that most of these military personnel know that over-reliance on imported energy could put us at great risk if a major conflict disrupts supply. The strategic reason against “Drill, Baby, Drill”, is that we need to secure as much energy production domestically, without using fossil fuels, so those resources could be allocated to defense if unavoidable, and still have adequate energy for the population.
He’s too stupid to realize he’s painted himself into a corner. If he ever backs down on clean energy, he’ll look like an even bigger fool.
THEN there’s the pollution issue to think about…
November 29th, 2009 at 8:55 amInhofe needs to read this….
http://www.climate.org/topics/PDF/clim_change_scenario.pdf
November 29th, 2009 at 9:05 amBeing held hostage by our reliance on Middle Eastern oil is the only reason we’re spending $$$ and thousands of lives in Iraq and Afghanastan.
Time to stop the charade.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:06 amPerhaps Inhofe isn’t admitting that he’s doing this to be a part of the limelight himself? One Republican trying to stand up in front of the tidal wave and deny seeing it.
That’s a way to try to become famous. Denial.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:18 amInhofes position on climate change and national security can be summed up as: Climate change is a hoax. Protect and support Israel at all costs because God said so in the Bible
November 29th, 2009 at 9:19 amconservative guy knows somehow what is baloney science and what isn’t…I wonder how…
November 29th, 2009 at 9:22 amJust another classic Repug pol. He’s not got two synapses still working for original thought and craves that warm womb-like feeling of having his head stuck up his ass.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:23 amRepubs are supposed to be all about security, but not Inhofe. I tell ya, he wants the rapture. These C-Streeters are dangerous men.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:24 amInhofe is a true fanatic who has redoubled his effort after forgetting his goal. Anything, ANYTHING that implies that we must do something to make life sustainable on this planet is immediately marked as hogwash in his tiny reptile mind.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:36 amJames Inhofe is an ignoramus seeking the limelight to promote his fringe beliefs, and for those reasons deserves no serious consideration whatsoever. Just let him flail around in the darkness until he finally and completely loses it.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:38 amInhofe is so backward-thinking, that it is he who feels frustrated in his denial of science and scientific evidence.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:39 amHe is the one craving the limelight, taking every opportunity to trash science and those who believe that evidence is undeniable.
He is also frustrated because his narrowminded opinion on domestic issues is not very popular with mainstream America.
Had Nancy Pelosi said this, Inhofe (and the rest of the usual suspects) would have shredded her for not supporting the troops.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:40 amPeople like Inhofe are closed to educting themselves on rality, facts and indisputable evidence; they rely on questionable data, from questionable sources, and they denounce those who disagree.
There is none so blind as those who will not see.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:43 amCould Thorium be our silver bullet?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/11/26/808296/-Thorium-as-a-clean,-efficient-nuclear-power-source.
This technology has been around for 50 years, but I just learned about it this weekend.
If we need to do something fast, to cut fossil fuel use, this sounds very promising.
My guess, as to why it hasn’t been adopted so far….Unlike Uranium, it Can’t be used to make a bomb.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:48 amInhofe has ascertained and assured the world that there has NEVER been a gay person in his family.
Form that, you may judge how much veracity to attach to his protestations here.
The reason Inhofe wears a tie is to keep his fore-skin from swallowing his head and suffocating him…
November 29th, 2009 at 9:55 amThe only reason for Oklahoma’s existence is to give Arkansans somebody to look down on…
November 29th, 2009 at 9:56 amInhofe and his ilk are existential cowards. We may see in them s the paradigm case of inauthenticity and bad faith.
E.g.: Knowing about catastrophic climate change is a TERRIBLE burden. Really internalizing that knowledge, speaking it, repeating it, imposes a burden upon us.
If you deny it, you can reject the burden–though of course not the consequences. But rejection also makes it possible to blame those who did not reject the knowledge for the “bad” outcomes…
That’s why it’s cowardice…not mere ignorance.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:00 ammorning vote down baby….
November 29th, 2009 at 10:07 amand on another front, even in switzerland the paranoia spreads:
Swiss voters favour minaret ban: exit polls
AFP – 26 minutes ago
GENEVA – Voters in a referendum on Sunday voted in favour of imposing a blanket ban on the building of minarets in Switzerland, public television reported, citing exit polls.
Video: Swiss vote on banning minarets ITN NEWS
Projection: Swiss vote to ban new minarets The Associated Press
CNN – Bloomberg – euronews – Telegraph.co.uk
all 632 news articles »
how do they do it… scare people out of being “good”…?
do the swiss watch fox too?
November 29th, 2009 at 10:07 am21. Katy,
Seriously. How is that legal..? You don’t see neighboring countries like Turkey, Bosnia, and Albania rushing to ban stained glass on cathedrals.
Xenophobia reigns in Europe, apparently.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:14 amand i’m realizing how dumb that last post was. Turkey, Bosnia, and Albania don’t neighbor Switzerland. At least, not in the “geographic” sense. If you wan’t to get “technical” and “accurate”.
They are EU/EFTA bordering countries, though.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:20 amInhofe and others like him believe they’re going to be guaranteed 72 virgins in heaven, so cleaning up the environment and tackling global warming is not needed. See?
November 29th, 2009 at 10:21 amIs it just me or is it laughable that the right wing of our country has poo-pooed global warming for decades now, have spent time trashing all the science confirming it’s real, but then suddenly there’s a “hacking” and emails are released and they believe all of the contents in showing global warming is a “hoax” and are using these emails as their basis now?
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack/
November 29th, 2009 at 10:26 amJust a week or two ago there was a storm along the East coast….a reporter on a beach in North Carolina said (paraphrasing), “Only a few years ago were there actual beaches here. The water level is so high now that when a storm hits the damage to property is greater”.
Say wha? But global warming is not real! There is no melting going on! We should be driving SUV’s that get 7mpg to poison the earth with because our time here is short!!!!!!!! We need a thin layer of black matter to bounce the warms rays back in, okay people!!!
November 29th, 2009 at 10:33 amI’ve seen the engineer guys in those Exxon commercials and they seem to have a handle on things. My fwee market instincts are telling me to leave it to them.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:34 amYep, BP & Exxon to the rescue! Whatever would we do without them. *rolling eyes*
November 29th, 2009 at 10:36 amFor real vote down baby why do you waste your time. Can we please talk about your ideas and opinions? You never know maybe you’ll sway me. Are you too weak or too shy?
November 29th, 2009 at 10:37 am:|
Exxon and BP to the rescue.
:|
November 29th, 2009 at 10:38 amSeriously. How is that legal..?
Unfortunately for them, other countries don’t have the American National Treasure which is OUR Bill of Rights.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:38 am#18 token,
LOL — truth can be the most funny.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:39 amMy guess is the vote down baby will wait twenty minutes to show his face.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:40 amWhat the GOP REALLY means:
November 29th, 2009 at 10:43 amSo how did that free market thing of your party work out with regards to education, the media, entertainment, labor, and NFL football or is that liberal dominance thing a bunch of bunk?
vote down baby will reveal himself eventually.
he has to kiss his olbykins goodbye first.
right, olby sucks?
:S
November 29th, 2009 at 10:43 amFrom the blog update:
So why don’t the Dems have the political will and guts to say such things?
November 29th, 2009 at 10:43 amRecent studies have shown that the REAL cause of global warming is due to intensely toxic, heat-trapping, man-made gasses being emitted by politicians such as Inhofe. Such deadly vapors may also be clouding Inhofe’s vision.
Apparently, nothing is more important than staying the course, and burning as much coal and oil as possible, without regard or concern for the next generation of kids who will inherit this earth.
I think Inhofe, (in addition to his subsidies from fossil fuel industries), is showing a tinge of jealousy towards the next generation. Sort of a “How DARE you think that you know better than MY generation?! How DARE you show yourselves to be generally liberal-leaning in polls?! Well, if My generation can’t control this planet forever with our ideas, we’re just going to trash the planet, so you can’t rebuild anything at all.”
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if that somehow factors into the equation.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:44 amvote down baby is about as tough as a wannabe Latin King…
November 29th, 2009 at 10:47 amInhofe is part of the “family” residing at the C-Street residence. That in itself say a lot about him. But consider this also on those C-Street secretive members.
Uganda is weighing a bill that would impose the death penalty on HIV positive men who have committed what it calls “aggravated homosexuality.”…
a secretive group of American politicians appear to be a driving force in seeing the proposal become law.
I know that is sort of off-topic, but it speaks to the grab for power and influence by the cabal of C-Street.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:47 amdbadass says:
What the GOP REALLY means:
So how did that free market thing of your party work out with regards to education, the media, entertainment, labor, and NFL football or is that liberal dominance thing a bunch of bunk?
My party is working on forceable entry options to conservatize all of those things. Rush Limbaugh may not have been able to buy that NFL team but he could still double down and bid for the entire NFL. Purification is fun. I’m rooting for Murdoch.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:47 amOn the topic of climate change, I would have Exxon ghostwrite the chapters for McGraw-Hill, Glencoe, etc.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:51 amI wonder what sort of rude shit I would have to say before vote down baby would speak up….
November 29th, 2009 at 10:54 am20-50 years from now, taxpayers will indemnify beach-front condo hotel owners for their losses.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:54 amYa know, a hellofa lot of evangelical christians are gonna be disappointed when they wake up on 12/13/2012 and find themselves still on this planet.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:56 amI suppose I could start by pointing out that I have made a fool of their pussy ass countless times…
Come on vote down baby you know it is only going to get worse….
November 29th, 2009 at 10:58 amMaybe the vote down baby thought I’d be looked upon as the culprit, since I’m the one showing up, but the libs just can’t be outsmarted. My staff trolls don’t know what the hell you’re talking about when you say ‘vote down’. They just click in odd places.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:01 amOur VDT is the epitome of a RePugniScum. All no all of the time including no ideas.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:04 amThe weird part is that vtb is simply evolving a new strategy to perpetuate the negative attention they so seek. It is sort of sad… One has to wonder what traumatic life experiences resulted in their f ucked up social alienation and isolation….
November 29th, 2009 at 11:06 amHumans will survive global warming, albeit in much smaller numbers. It’s the ice-age that will follow that will be the far greater challenge.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:06 amIf only vote down baby had 9 friends…
November 29th, 2009 at 11:11 amI can’t wait to see their reactions and their excuses for why they’re still here! I’m sure they’ll blame it on us liberals.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:12 amInhofe is a TRAITOR against the USA.
He supported Bush and Cheney’s TREASON, including sending our troops to Iraq for Bush and Cheney’s LIES, once again PROVEN
to be so by British inquiry:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/27/jeremy-greenstock-uk-dipl_n_372217.html
FU, Inhofe, you unamerikkkan HATER of the TROOPS…
November 29th, 2009 at 11:13 amI’m disappointed in the fundies and their rejection of climate change and the probable impact it will have on the planet. Ok, having mankind end in a blub and a brrrr isn’t mentioned in their book and its no where near as exciting as massive global warfare and corpses flying like sea gulls but end of man on earth is still involved.
And we know how much they just lervs the idea mass destruction.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:18 amGeorge Bush’s record on climate change:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jan/16/greenpolitics-georgebush
November 29th, 2009 at 11:20 amTypical republican strategy. They label or accuse anyone who is for something that they oppose as a socialist, political grandstanding, political theater or craving the limelight. Yawn!
November 29th, 2009 at 11:21 amHas anyone out there read the book “Confessions Of An Economic Hitman” by John Perkins yet? Check out this interview of him from YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jarSrtsuZg
November 29th, 2009 at 11:24 amThe dynamics of the “Conservative Legacy of G W Bush”
Sen. James Inhofe is a fundemental component in that conservative dynamic.
And this is how the conservatives govern?
November 29th, 2009 at 11:27 amI would tell my party, speak out, don’t be afraid to defend the legacy of bush. 35% growth of government and trillions given to wall street is something you must overlook. Sneak in an opportunity to defend your republican and never speak ill of a one. I promise we won’t get stomped … again.
So speak up.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:32 amQuestion Of The Day: Since republicans never participate in abortion and hate liberals, the poor, immigrants and Black Americans why would they be against abortion if it means the rest of us are wiping out our own future? Wouldn’t this be what the republicans want? Fewer liberals, poor people, immigrants and Black Americans in the future?
November 29th, 2009 at 11:36 amInhofe is a member of The Family – the C-Street boys. He travels on religious missions to foreign countries on the taxpayers’ dime, not The Family’s, using his position on the Armed Services committee as his official cover. The missions often support totalitarian autocrats, ‘cuz that’s where the power is. The Family is all about power and how some people are “chosen” by God to have it. And they all think they’re the chosen ones. They admire the way Joe Stalin and Adolph Hitler used their power, even if they don’t agree with their ideology.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:38 amGood point, TBTG. My party uses abortion as a comeback when there’s something about the libs and their viewpoints they don’t like, such as, “Your mother should have aborted you! Yahh!”
November 29th, 2009 at 11:39 amYou don’t like the wall street bailouts? Everyone knows that welfare scheme protects r fienanchel system! What a liberal you are! Why didn’t your mother abort you?!
November 29th, 2009 at 11:44 amRepublicans act like cornered dogs who lash out for the reason of protecting themselves instead of wondering why they’re always cornered in the first place. When asked how would we be able to employ and feed 47 million additional Americans today had these fetuses not been aborted, they don’t have an answer except to say, “Welfare babies/children are costing us too much!”.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:47 amTricked By The Gods says, Has anyone out there read the book “Confessions Of An Economic Hitman”?
I’ve read it. Second and Third World countries will submit to corporate demands or they will suffer economic, political, and eventually, military punishment.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:47 amInhofe wouldn’t believe in climate change unless Jesus H. Christ came down and appeared to ol’ Jimmy himself and told him so.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:58 amInhofe’s top campaign contributor:
Oil & Gas $1,224,223
Enough said about his own motivation here?
On the other hand, as long as the “impending” environmental calamities are decades out into the future, the Inhofes have a free ride to embrace denial.
What we need is a calamity to unfold in the next, say, five years.
Any fall into that time frame?
November 29th, 2009 at 12:01 pm“Climategate” is nothing more than the balancing force to Exxon/Mobil’s funding of all the journalists, think tanks, news media, and government, that say global warming is not real……er……..the sun is causing it……..er……it’s a natural cycle………er……humans are not causing it………er…..carbon dioxide is good for you. Fair is fair. We should demand that the Heartland Institute, George Marshall Institute, American Petroleum Institute, Western Fuels Association, Sen Inhofe, McIntyre, Singer, Ball, Michaels, and all other organizations and individuals attempting to influence public policy in regards to climate change IMMEDIATELY make their entire email archives available for public scrutiny and analysis.
Naturally the Coal, Nuclear, and Oil companies do not want regulations to stop polluting, thus affecting stock holders. I begin to wonder whether these environmentalist hating people like Alex Jones, Mike Rivero, and other non-science types actually have oil and energy stocks, or are they simply disinfo purveyors that cause susceptible minds to believe them lock, stock, and barrel.
Anyway, here is all of the climate data in one spot. For those fanatic religious/corporate types, science never changes your opinion, does it?
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/data-sources/
November 29th, 2009 at 12:05 pmGeneral Nonsense from the GOP:
If a General advocates for clean energy or criticizes the war effort, he is merely seeking attention and trying to back in the game. If a General advocates for a new invasion or expansion of the war effort, the President should simply follow the advice without reservation.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:08 pmI had a discussion with a friend yesterday on this very subject; she insisted that the hacked emails revealed the entire body of climate change evidence as a hoax, a vast conspiracy by the corporations. I was pretty shocked at her vehemence, I must say.
When you strip away very nearly everything else, one salient fact remains: the vast amount of carbon dioxide and other pollutants we have put into our atomosphere over the last 200-250 years has increased astronomically. That is an inescapable fact. Period. And even if you can have a good rousing argument on what the result of all those tons and tons and tons and tons of pollution and greenhouse gases in our atmosphere are going to be …it is inevitable that there WILL be consequences.
Say your house catches fire. You can argue all you want, inside your burning house, about how much of your house will be left when the fire goes out – but why not meet the challenge head on and put out the damned fire??
Whatever the results of our anthropomorphical effect on the planet – it most certainly cannot be good to pollute the atmosphere and dump toxic shit into our oceans – whatever the end result is – so let’s stop it, now.
It’s that simple, people. We humans are shitting in our own dish, and if we don’t stop, we’ll all die. The End.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:11 pmThe Republicans have become a parody of the Monty Python argument sketch.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:15 pmWhy do so many people insist that the GOP is tough on national defense? They are far too short-sighted to be effective, and seem more interested in prolonging conflicts for the enrichment of their contractor amigos rather than settling things decisively, but even some moderates act as though the neoCons are the go-to guys. This Senate report makes clear that in addition to lying its way into the Iraq war, the Bush administration conceivably could have avoided the morass in Afghanistan. The bumbling after 9/11 is wholly owned by the Republicans, no matter how much Dana Perino insists we never got hit during the Bushwhacked years.
http://news.aol.com/article/senate-report-says-bin-laden-was-within/789143
November 29th, 2009 at 12:17 pmBasic economic principle: There is no free lunch. Everything has a price, a price to buy it, a price to maintain it, and a price to throw it away. Republicans like to talk about a tax on future generations, the ultimate price on future generations will be the cost of cleaning up the environment, losing major cities to rising sea levels, and disruptions in food supplies that environmental damage will cause. Things cost, sometimes we don’t see the cost, but someone, somewhere, sometime will have to pay the bills.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:17 pmpags2 says:
The Republicans have become a parody of the Monty Python argument sketch.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
No they haven’t!
November 29th, 2009 at 12:22 pmpags2 says:
The Republicans have become a parody of the Monty Python argument sketch.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
what does that make the US? A nation that gives enormous power such people.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:26 pmI have always admired Inhofe…
…for his ability to be a complete as$hole moron…
…and not be embarrassed about it.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:28 pmWe need the Monty Python killer joke for the republicans. It’s real tough to find this joke though, the republicans have a very limiting sense of humour.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:34 pmGood one Zooey and pags – John Cleese so perfectly portrays the Inhofe mentality in this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM
November 29th, 2009 at 12:36 pmlivelongandprosper,
Here ya go, the World’s Funniest Joke
November 29th, 2009 at 12:37 pmMonty Python had the Minister of Silly Walks and we have the Republican version with the Minister(s) of Silly Talks, Michelle Bachmann.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:40 pmGeorge W. Bush was the Upper Class Twit of the Year, 8 years in a row.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:42 pmZooey says:
George W. Bush was the Upper Class Twit of the Year, 8 years in a row.
I see him as Mr. Gumby -my brain hurts.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:46 pm# 44; BnF:
The date of “disaster” is 12/21/2012, so, I’m thinking that your date should read – 12/22/2012.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:46 pmThey will blame Bill Clinton. ;)
November 29th, 2009 at 12:54 pmKid, thanks. I had a dyslexic moment.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:55 pmI’m reminded of this Ronald Reagan quote:
“For every fat woman’s bottom, there shallfore be a tax increase on our children’s grandchildrens.”
November 29th, 2009 at 1:08 pmbrain @67 reminded me of this exchange from this morning on abc…
incredible…
STEPHANOPOULOS: (inaudible) credibility problem as well. I mean, I think the issue is, I think the president had to go to Copenhagen. It was the only way to get the Indians and the Chinese to go as well. But, Paul, as he goes, he’ll be making a commitment that he can’t necessarily keep unless the Senate follows through.
(CROSSTALK)
KRUGMAN: Everyone understands that. And I just want to say, I’m surprised, George, that you lack faith in the power of the marketplace. All this cap-and-trade is about is putting a price on carbon emission, and people will do amazing things given a market incentive.
WILL: Speaking of the marketplace, the biggest industry in the world right now may be fighting climate change. There are billions, trillions of dollars on the table, and when you say, well, they are academics and they are scientists and they talk in funny ways — academics are human beings, and the enormous incentive to get on the bandwagon on global warming, the financial incentive, the market driving this, is huge.
KRUGMAN: There is tremendously more money in being a skeptic than there is in being a supporter. It’s so much easier, come on. You got the energy industry’s behind it. There are 20 times as many believers as there are skeptics in the scientific community. They get almost equal time in the media.
http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/Politics/full-week-transcript-nov29-2009/story?id=9199179&page=4
scroll down about 2/3, or search, to find the climate conversation…
so glad paul krugman is around…
November 29th, 2009 at 1:14 pmfor instance:
WILL: It raises the question of — we’re being asked to wage trillions of dollars and substantially curtail freedom on climate models that are imperfect and unproven. And the consensus far from being as solid as they say it is, and the debate as over as they say it is. The e-mails indicate people are very nervous about suppressing criticism, gaming the peer review process for scholarly works and all the rest. One of the e-mails said it is a travesty, his word, it is a travesty that we cannot explain the fact that global warming has stopped. Well, they shouldn’t be embarrassed about that. It’s a complicated business, and that’s why we shouldn’t be (inaudible).
KRUGMAN: All those e-mails — people have never seen what academic discussion looks like. There’s not a single smoking gun in there. There’s nothing in there. And the travesty is that people are not able to explain why the fact that 1988 was a very warm year doesn’t actually mean that global warming has stopped. I mean, that’s loose wording. Right? Everything is about — we’re really in the same situation as if there was one extremely warm day in April. And then people are saying, well, you see, May is cooler than April, there’s no trend here. And that’s what — the travesty is how hard it has been to explain…
WILL: One of the emails, Paul, said he wished he could delete, get rid of the medieval warming period. That lasted 600 years…
KRUGMAN: It’s not — read — this has all been explained. What he meant is they want to put a start on it. We have an end to it, we don’t have a start on it. There’s a lot of loose use of language when you’re just talking among each other. And what (inaudible) really meant, deleting would be meant that, you know, we don’t know when this thing started, because we don’t have very good data back then. There weren’t any weather stations. And that’s what the context was.
whew…
November 29th, 2009 at 1:17 pmCal Malenky is right. Inhofe and the rest of “The Family” at C Street have said that leaders like them have different standards than ordinary people and using the tactics of Hitler or Stalin are justified for them.
November 29th, 2009 at 1:26 pmI also saw TW today and I want to know why the repugniscum are always given time over the democrat – usually only one democrat to three repugsnicum.
November 29th, 2009 at 1:30 pmToday Dan Senor was monopolizing talk — he was the spokesman for the Pentagon during the Iraq invasion!! Why doesn’t ABC tell the audience where the guests are from — they advertise him as an “author” or something innocuous — he is married to Campbell Brown and he is a Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Franks/ neocon spokesman. Anyone who would listen to him might as well listen to Liz Cheney.
You can be certain that Inhofe wants Obama to follow the general’s recommendation for more troops in Afghanistan. Yet, he rejects the military recommendations on our energy policy. That is what we call talking out of both sides of the mouth.
November 29th, 2009 at 1:31 pmThe Okie Grandstander calls the kettle black. Inhofe has absolutely no grasp of national security, national strategy, or a coherent grasp of a policy shich will allow this nation to survive through the 21st Century and into the next. I suspect he just wants continuous war and the profit therefrom for his “friends” at C Street and their masters. He’s owned, lock, stock, and barrel roll, by the energy companies that are locked into Middle Eastern oil contracts.
That’s an absolutely classic move he put on Admiral McGinn et al; since he has no argument to refute their position, he resorts to rolling out an ad hominem attack. Okie arsehole.
November 29th, 2009 at 1:33 pmVirtual, don’t like the message….shoot the messenger.
November 29th, 2009 at 1:38 pmIsn’t that the same way bush handled intelligence in the run up to the Iraq war?
November 29th, 2009 at 1:39 pmInhofe has received more than $1.2 million from the oil and gas industry. This is more than twice as much as any other industry.
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/industries.php?cycle=Career&cid=N00005582&type=C
November 29th, 2009 at 1:44 pmMarie says:
Inhofe is part of the “family” residing at the C-Street residence. That in itself say a lot about him. But consider this also on those C-Street secretive members.
Uganda is weighing a bill that would impose the death penalty on HIV positive men who have committed what it calls “aggravated homosexuality.”…
a secretive group of American politicians appear to be a driving force in seeing the proposal become law.
I know that is sort of off-topic, but it speaks to the grab for power and influence by the cabal of C-Street.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:47 am
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Cal Malenky says:
Inhofe is a member of The Family – the C-Street boys. He travels on religious missions to foreign countries on the taxpayers’ dime, not The Family’s, using his position on the Armed Services committee as his official cover. The missions often support totalitarian autocrats, ‘cuz that’s where the power is. The Family is all about power and how some people are “chosen” by God to have it. And they all think they’re the chosen ones. They admire the way Joe Stalin and Adolph Hitler used their power, even if they don’t agree with their ideology.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:38 am
This C-Street crap is really bothering me. Isn’t this being investigated yet? How can it possibly be legal for these guys go to on taxpayer-funded missions to foreign countries, advocating policies that are completely against the official policies of the U.S.? If a group of mostly Democrats did anything like this, wouldn’t the Rs be crying treason?
November 29th, 2009 at 1:44 pmBack on topic, shouldn’t it be obvious to anyone with a grain of sense that the U.S. should focus on alternative domestic energy sources, simply in order to avoid another mideast War for Oil? Even discounting the climate change reasons, one would think that Inhofe and his ilk would be able to see this as a national defense issue. But I guess that that would presume that Inhofe’s gang has a grain of sense. Sigh…
November 29th, 2009 at 1:52 pmJane E. Schneider says:
But I guess that that would presume that Inhofe’s gang has a grain of sense. Sigh…
You want rationality from a rent-a-politician?
November 29th, 2009 at 1:53 pmJane, I think Inhofe and his ilk are of the opinion that if they can’t get the oil legally, they will wage war and take it.
November 29th, 2009 at 1:53 pm@ 92. Fred ♪♫♪ says: Virtual, don’t like the message….shoot the messenger. November 29th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Spot on, Fred. Ab-so-fracking-lutely.
Regarding the C-Street cabal; I think they’re just plotting a coup d’etat. They aren’t really Republipimps any more; they’re trying to line things up to move from Republic to Imperium. They just haven’t figured out who Ceasar is yet.
November 29th, 2009 at 1:53 pm“for these guys go to on”
Sorry, dyslexic this morning, should have been “for these guys to go on”, duh.
November 29th, 2009 at 1:53 pmVirtual Pebble, I think that you’re right. They certainly seem to be lining up friends in high places in other countries, I assume to support them and their policies after their coup. One wonders what true Christians, and even the whacko evangelicals, would think of the C-Street version of Christ.
November 29th, 2009 at 2:00 pmInhofe is hellbent on continuing to show himself as an ignorant, insulting, stupid jerk. And it’s the one thing at which he’s quite successful.
November 29th, 2009 at 2:13 pmMy party will admit global warming exists if and only if the rising sea levels prevent libs from going to the voting booths.
November 29th, 2009 at 2:16 pmAs far as I can tell, C-Street appears to be the religious equivalent of the KKK. I do not see any Catholics involved with this organization. I could be wrong.
November 29th, 2009 at 2:17 pmThey be plotting some nasty shit at C-street. They tried to do some nasty shit to me when I paid them a visit. But I think I’ve said enough. I know what you libs like to do with information, you like to make a case out of it.
November 29th, 2009 at 2:21 pmpags2, I gave up trying to figure out which flavor of “Christianity” some of these politicians profess to believe in, but these C-Streeters believe in ‘opposite-Christ’, a Christ who supposedly advocates power as ‘good’, instead of actual goodness as ‘good.’ It’s scary shit.
November 29th, 2009 at 2:22 pmpags2 and Jane E., this is what Wikipedia says:
This is a partial member list focusing on well-known and influential members of the Family.
Members currently in the US Congress
Name Position Notoriety
Sam Brownback[1][80] Sen. (R-KS) Chair of Senate Values Action Team
November 29th, 2009 at 2:26 pmJames Inhofe[1][80] Sen. (R-OK)
Jim DeMint[1][80] Sen. (R-SC) Chairman of Steering Committee
Chuck Grassley[80] Sen. (R-IA) Former Chairman of Finance Committee
Richard Lugar[4] Sen. (R-IN) Former Chairman, Foreign Relations Committee
John Ensign[1][80][81] Sen. (R-NV) Involved in sex scandal
Tom Coburn[1][80] Sen. (R-OK)
Mark Pryor[1][80] Sen. (D-AR)
Bill Nelson[1][80] Sen. (D-FL)
John Thune[80] Sen. (R-SD)
Mike Enzi[80] Sen. (R-WY)
Joe Pitts[1][80][81] Rep. (R-PA) Chair of House Values Action Team; Member Committees on Energy & Commerce, Sec. & Coop in Europe
Todd Tiahrt[82] Rep. (R-KS)
Frank Wolf[24] Rep. (R-VA) Member of House Appropriations Panel[1]
Zach Wamp[1][24] Rep. (R-TN)
Mike McIntyre[24] Rep.(D-NC)
Bart Stupak[1][81] Rep. (D-MI) Author of the Stupak-Pitts Amendment for the Affordable Health Care for America Act that would ban federal funding for abortions.[83]
Michael F. Doyle[1] Rep. (D-PA)
Heath Shuler[1] Rep.(D-NC)
Jerry Moran[1] Rep. (R-KS)
Ensign is now paying hookers off the books, I’ll say that much!
[idiot parody troll slaps self: "Shutup, you! Where's your sense of loyalty?"]
November 29th, 2009 at 2:27 pmI only checked a handful, but Doyle is the only Catholic.
November 29th, 2009 at 2:34 pmVirtual Pebble @ 99,
I believe Theodore Roosevelt and Franklin Roosevelt were both faced with financial entities large enough to try to take on the president through intimidation.
The conservatives are putting the pressure on Obama, and they aren’t even discrete about their intentions. They started with an assassination suggestion; military take over of the government, secession, armed revolt and major stonewalling in the Congress to name a few.
Cleaning up the “Bush Legacy” may be simple compared to the ultimate showdown. From what I have seen, Obama is making this group very nervous. One speech, one well placed comment commands much attention, and Obama has been reserved in his use of the bully pulpit. I am confident that lady luck has delivered a good captain for the rough sea ahead; she has been good to us in the past.
November 29th, 2009 at 2:38 pmDoing business with America’s enemies has always been a favorite pastime of the right wing, so why the hell would they want to stop buying oil from these people? They don’t want to! They’ve earned the title, “American Taliban”, for a reason.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:04 pmpags2
I think B. Stupak is catholic too.
Religious fundamentalism seems to be the connection. I guess catholics are allowed if they are conservative enough.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:09 pmBoy from Brazil?
November 29th, 2009 at 3:12 pmWhen it comes to money, repugs have no compunction in dealing with anyone anywhere at anytime.
We’ve known this for years, but an official report is out this weekend that show Rumsfeld and Franks, under Bush and Cheney, let OBL slip out of Tora Bora out of sheer stubbornness and incompetence.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:14 pmThey really didn’t care about him – they wanted the oil pipeline in Afghanistan and by 9/12/01 they had already set their sights on the oil in Iraq.
Inhofe is Paul Revere — ROTFLMAO!!!
November 29th, 2009 at 3:15 pmThe only patriot that might be compared with Inhofe would be Benedict Arnold.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:15 pmt5 has given up. He has nothing left except trying to be annoying.
t5 you used to at least try. Now you’re just a run of the mill troll.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:16 pmAnd Benedict Arnold wasn’t a patriot.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:16 pmTracy__5
November 29th, 2009 at 3:17 pmYou were a lot more plausible when you were doing the architect gig. Lately you have been trying to hard to be loony. Just saying…
and being quite successful at it.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:21 pmThe U.S. military has been innovative in the use of new fuels since they abandoned coal for that new-fangled petroleum stuff. This continues to the present day and even includes testing of synthetic jet fuel. Why synthetic jet fuel? Because they know that petroleum is a finite resource and one day there won’t be any.
I don’t know if Jimmeh has any idea about this ongoing research but that’s not really relevant. What is relevant is that Jimmeh is a Biblical literalist and Believer in an imminent Rapture where God reboots the universe. Since he Believes that the future is solely in God’s hands, I suggest that his input on any future plans is suspect at best and catastrophic at worst.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:22 pmdbadass says:
Tracy__5
You were a lot more plausible when you were doing the architect gig. Lately you have been trying to hard to be loony. Just saying…
Always remember that others may hate you but those who hate you don’t win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself.
- Richard M. Nixon
Just saying.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:22 pmwe don’t hate t5, we just hate his policies.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:25 pmTracy_5,
November 29th, 2009 at 3:27 pmSo, it’s just a coincidence that the oil and gas industry have given him over $1.2 million? Twice as much as any other industry?
Fred ♪♫♪ says:
we don’t hate t5, we just hate his policies.
If you keep picking at a scab like T5 (or Nixon) it will never go away.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:29 pmTracy__5@ 114,
“Environmental fascists”, now that’s an interesting concept. A cartel that’s sole purpose is to exploit the environmental issue, and the illustrious Infoe and his band of true American patriots will save the country from this evil treat.
Put away your comic books my man, you are dealing with reality.
Are you capable of any rational thinking, or do you tune into FOX News to check on talking point updates.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:31 pmTo be fair, i suppose it’s possible that Jimmeh isn’t as stupid as he sounds. However, if that’s the case, his shtick is designed to con those who really are that stupid. Of course, that would make him a common liar of the most vile kind so I guess I despise him less an an utter moron.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:34 pmGeneric Republicant: “I support our troops…until they say something I disagree with, then they are Frenchie-loving commies”
November 29th, 2009 at 3:37 pmIf you forget and ignore the damage these loons have done, they will do it again.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:39 pmTracy__5 says:
Keith, Paul Revere gladly accepted the donation of oats to feed his horse.
That’s an excellent @nalogy since the oats was turned into HORSESH!T.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:39 pmWho’s your leader? Who’s are your contenders?
You just lost a seat that you had held since the civil war to democrats.
You just saying shit don’t make it fact. It just plays in to what dbadass said about you. You are a loon.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:41 pmTracy_5,
November 29th, 2009 at 3:42 pmWell in the 2009 elections, you lost a seat (NY23) that you had held for about 160 years.
The new excuse for being a total failure.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:43 pmInhofe is no patriot. He is just one of many politicians that wrap themselves in the flag and thump their Bibles. This is just a facade for voters. In reality, these politicians are for rent to the highest bidders.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:44 pmFred ♪♫♪ says
You just lost a seat that you had held since the civil war to democrats.
Dang, owe you a coke.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:44 pmSure you do t5. Why wouldn’t we believe that?
November 29th, 2009 at 3:45 pmI think the most amusing thing about the collapse of “movement conservatism” is their ability to gloat about their shrinking numbers. I just can’t help but chuckle when faced by those who live their lives at a tangent to reality.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:45 pmKeith, isn’t it odd how they keep losing but predicting that they will succeed against all odds at some random point in the future?
November 29th, 2009 at 3:46 pmFred ♪♫♪,
November 29th, 2009 at 3:48 pmYeah, Tracy doesn’t seem to realize that losing a lot of followers to the other side is a bad thing—not a good thing!
Keith and Fred,
We must always remember that, with freaks like the Tracist, it’s all about party purity. Like classic xenophobes throughout history, they really think that expelling the “undesirables” actually makes them stronger.
At this rate it shouldn’t be too long before “movement conservatism” will be represented by a number of cults barricaded in their compounds.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:55 pmpete says:
I think the most amusing thing about the collapse of “movement conservatism” is their ability to gloat about their shrinking numbers.
What is more amusing is the fact that they lost the elections on many levels, yet persist in thinking they represent the majority of Americans. I believe that is called delusional. If Obama gets elected to a second term which is highly probable, it is going to be a hard reality for the conservatives to swallow.
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pags2 says:
…it is going to be a hard reality for the conservatives to swallow.
That won’t be an issue. The delusional dregs are ill-equipped to recognize or accept reality at the best of times. People who can spit out every bit of modern knowledge going back more than 2,000 years won’t let a little thing like an election challenge their faith.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:02 pmTracy__5 says:
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flight, take a moment out of your busy life to find out where you are before you tell me where I am. Movement conservatism will not be ignore or marginalized. Come 2010 we will have our say.
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Tracy_5′
Movement conservatism, you do need a reality check. The “Conservative legacy of G W Bush” has marginalized conservatism.
I specifically ask “how do you equate environmentalism with fascism”. You have back yourself into this ridiculous “movement conservatism” will not be marginalized or ignored corner.
I have news for you buddy, the voter has chosen. You sound like the Fascist when you make this statement. We live in a democracy, remember!
Again, how do equate environmentalism with fascism?
November 29th, 2009 at 4:11 pmShut up, Jeffy Bovine!
Run under the bed and log in to Marky’s crapper and tell him about the latest tragedy.
About Moose Boogers quitting the Turkey Walk to avoid disappointing her adoring geezers with v-propped hard ons.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:12 pmRelevant to our ongoing study:
We note that the subject displays signs of rolling out of bed around 4:00 PM (Eastern), smoking a couple rocks, and unleashing a fitful night’s worth of angst in random, unprovoked, and unrelated attacks.
The lack of structure is manifest of lack of focus and concentration. I’m forced to conclude that the damage is severe and, most likely, irreversible.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:13 pmOf course, if you hadn’t had your head up your ass at the time she made the statement, you would have noticed that the number was 500,000 PEOPLE A MONTH ARE LOSING THEIR JOBS, which means she misspoke and it’s the reason why it didn’t get national attention…………..ONLY THE UNEDUCATED WINGNUTS WHO WALK AROUND WITH THEIR FINGERS IN THEIR EARS ARE THE ONES WHO TRIED TO MAKE IT A NATIONAL DISCUSSION!
November 29th, 2009 at 4:16 pmRepugs are a tiny mouse voice that will get beaten repeatedly in many elections to come. Too many times they got caught in the bathroom stalls, too many times they got caught in their diapers, too many times they got caught screwing someone other than their wives, too many times they got caught taking care of the rich,……..repugs are going down.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:17 pmNot only did they kill innocent civilians in cold blood, but some American contractors GANG RAPED AMERICAN COWORKERS!
Remember that? Oh wait! The truth isn’t allowed anywhere near a neocon nutcase because they have no idea how to handle such things!
November 29th, 2009 at 4:18 pmOSTL says:
libs stold the election
November 29th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
There’s way too much drinking going on. Get help.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:20 pmRepugs stole the soul of America but we’re getting it back.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:22 pmBovine, why are you afraid of sourcing your plagiarizing?
Could it be because you don’t have the capability of a 2 year old to form independent thoughts?
November 29th, 2009 at 4:25 pmToronto:
Experts around the world believed the ice was recovering because satellite images showed it expanding, but he thick, multi-year frozen sheets crucial to the northern ecosystem have been replaced by thin “rotten” ice that can’t support weight. “It caught us all by surprise because we were expecting there to be multi-year sea ice. The whole world thought it was multi-year sea ice,” said Barber, who just returned from an expedition to the Beaufort Sea.
Permanent ice, which is normally up to 10 metres thick, was easily pierced by the research ship, said Barber, who holds the Canada research chair in Arctic science at the University of Manitoba. The team finally reached what it thought was stable ice, only to watch a crack appear just as researchers were preparing to descend onto the floe.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:26 pmPat Pomery’s fill in is doing a crappy job.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:27 pmMarie — we must not post using the same names — it can get confusing. I agree with your posts, but we can’t let identities get mixed up.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:27 pmCan OSTL tell us why killing a 3 year old Iraqi child in cold blood made us safer?
November 29th, 2009 at 4:29 pm167. Jeffy Bovine
You gotta be f’ing kidding, Bovine.
You and Marky damn well know that the Fox Republican Propaganda network is ALL ABOUT gNOpig POLITICS.
So, what does Marky do all week, month, year long? Talk about cooking recipes or cooking NON-NEWS to slam Democrats?
November 29th, 2009 at 4:30 pmFunny to watch the right, you know, the party that’s first thought is force when presented with a problem wants to pretend that others are violent.
Yes, that’s you ostl
November 29th, 2009 at 4:31 pmSo, Inhofe claims these guys are ‘craving the spotlight’. Is that his way of calling these Generals ‘Drama Queens’? I remember how the Righties FREAKED when Move on came up with General Betrayus. Why aren’t they howling now? Friggin hypocrits!
November 29th, 2009 at 4:34 pmMarie says:
Marie — we must not post using the same names — it can get confusing. I agree with your posts, but we can’t let identities get mixed up.
Right. You were first so I’ll change. From now on I’m Marie Memphis. Sound good?
November 29th, 2009 at 4:35 pmOSTL,
That video is edited down to one sentence and repeated over and over. I’m guessing Murtha was talking about Haditha and I got a newsflash for you:
CIVILIANS WERE MURDERED IN COLD BLOOD!
And Cheney and Bush planned the illegal invasion of Iraq in COLD BLOOD and up to 1,300,000 Iraqi CIVILIANS have been MURDERED!
November 29th, 2009 at 4:35 pmHey, that was a breeze!
November 29th, 2009 at 4:37 pmOSTL, why is palin not wearing her wedding band? Is she cheating on stupid todd, or is she just trying to keep your hopes up to sell a few more books?
November 29th, 2009 at 4:37 pmOSTL says:
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Not only did they kill innocent civilians in cold blood
Maybe you should tell that to the jury that acquitted them….
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O.J. didn’t kill anyone either.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:38 pmThere was no jury dumbass.
You are so ignorant that you don’t even know how it went down..
November 29th, 2009 at 4:41 pmINHOFE: “That’s the most ludicrous thing. They looked around and they found, five generals to testify before the committee. Well, that’s 5 generals out of 4,000 retired generals that say that.”
No… this is the GNOP’s tactic and way of doing things. Ex: how they destroyed ACORN.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:42 pmIs that what Marky calls it when you are takin’ it in the rear from him?
November 29th, 2009 at 4:42 pmOSTL,
From wikipedia:
the mass murder conducted by a unit of the U.S. Army on March 16, 1968 of 347 to 504 unarmed citizens in South Vietnam, all of whom were civilians and a majority of whom were women, children, and elderly people.
Many of the victims were sexually abused, beaten, tortured, and some of the bodies were found mutilated.[2] The massacre took place in the hamlets of Mỹ Lai and My Khe of Sơn Mỹ village during the Vietnam War.[3][4] While 26 US soldiers were initially charged with criminal offenses for their actions at My Lai, only William Calley was convicted. He served only three years of an original life sentence, while on house arrest.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:44 pmTracy__5 says:
Sen. James Inhofe is the Paul Revere of our time. He’s warning us that the environmental fascists are coming by land and by sea. We ignore him at our peril.
Paul Revere was captured by the British and never completed his mission.
Still want to model your hero after him on this one?
November 29th, 2009 at 4:52 pmInhofe is doing what republicans do, reject any data that goes against their agenda.
Just as bush did with intelligence in the run up to the Iraq war.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:58 pmOSTL, from wikipedia:
killed: Abdul Hamid Hassan Ali, 76—grandfather, father and husband. Died with nine rounds in the chest and abdomen.
killed: Khamisa Tuma Ali, 66—wife of Abdul Hamid Hassan Ali
killed: Abdullah Walid, 4
Injured: Iman, 8, and Abdul Rahman, 5
killed: Aida Yasin Ahmed, 41—wife of Younis Salim Khafif, killed trying to shield her youngest daughter Aisha.
killed: Muhammad Younis Salim, 8—son.
killed: Noor Younis Salim, 14—daughter.
killed: Sabaa Younis Salim, 10—daughter.
killed: Zainab Younis Salim, 5—daughter.
killed: Aisha Younis Salim, 3—daughter.
killed: A 1-year-old girl staying with the family
Taxi—5 killed: Passengers were students at the Technical Institute in Saqlawiyah
November 29th, 2009 at 4:59 pm20. Ahmed Khidher, taxi driver.
21. Akram Hamid Flayeh.
22. Khalid Ayada al-Zawi.
23. Wajdi Ayada al-Zawi.
24. Mohammed Battal Mahmoud.
Source: United for Peace and Justice
Marie, I didn’t even realize that we had a second Marie until you pointed it out. I can see why you’d agree with her comments, although I’m not exactly sure which are which. ;)
Welcome, Marie Memphis!
November 29th, 2009 at 5:02 pmMarie Memphis?? Wait a minute—-is your first name “Lisa”?
November 29th, 2009 at 5:07 pmgood afternoon OSTL. you seem to have been busy today, but nothing of what you said had any relevance to the discussion about climate change and why inhofe can’t pull his head out of his ass. please try again.
thank you,
mr. rove
November 29th, 2009 at 5:07 pmMarie @ 170,
It is noteworthy that the science has moved for “is there climate change” to “surprise at the rate the climate has changed”. The Conservatives don’t want to discuss the property insurance issues plaguing the gulf coast states, or the actual sea level increases during storm surges on the east coast.
I am afraid we have moved into the economic metering of the climate change. The patriot Infoe can question the existence of the science of climate change, but this is what you can call a major disconnect from reality.
November 29th, 2009 at 5:09 pm——————————————————————————–
OSTL,
That video is edited down to one sentence and repeated over and over. I’m guessing Murtha was talking about Haditha and I got a newsflash for you:
CIVILIANS WERE MURDERED IN COLD BLOOD!
And Cheney and Bush planned the illegal invasion of Iraq in COLD BLOOD and up to 1,300,000 Iraqi CIVILIANS have been MURDERED
Brought to you by the Republican Party, where you’re not welcome unless you support the Right to Life.
November 29th, 2009 at 5:19 pmKeith says:
Marie Memphis?? Wait a minute—-is your first name “Lisa”?
No, it’s the Chuck Berry Marie, not the Elvis Marie.
November 29th, 2009 at 5:20 pmNew York Times:
August 9, 2009
Climate Change Seen as Threat to U.S. Security
By JOHN M. BRODER
WASHINGTON — The changing global climate will pose profound strategic challenges to the United States in coming decades, raising the prospect of military intervention to deal with the effects of violent storms, drought, mass migration and pandemics, military and intelligence analysts say.
Such climate-induced crises could topple governments, feed terrorist movements or destabilize entire regions, say the analysts, experts at the Pentagon and intelligence agencies who for the first time are taking a serious look at the national security implications of climate change.
Recent war games and intelligence studies conclude that over the next 20 to 30 years, vulnerable regions, particularly sub-Saharan Africa, the Middle East and South and Southeast Asia, will face the prospect of food shortages, water crises and catastrophic flooding driven by climate change that could demand an American humanitarian relief or military response.
An exercise last December at the National Defense University, an educational institute that is overseen by the military, explored the potential impact of a destructive flood in Bangladesh that sent hundreds of thousands of refugees streaming into neighboring India, touching off religious conflict, the spread of contagious diseases and vast damage to infrastructure. “It gets real complicated real quickly,” said Amanda J. Dory, the deputy assistant secretary of defense for strategy, who is working with a Pentagon group assigned to incorporate climate change into national security strategy planning.
November 29th, 2009 at 5:21 pmInhofe should form a special arbitration panel and demote all of these generals to lieutenants. Anyone not good enough to be named Inhofe’s Honorary Oklahoman should lose everything they ever worked for.
November 29th, 2009 at 5:21 pmMemphis Marie, the Chuck Berry version or the Johnny Rivers version?
November 29th, 2009 at 5:32 pmI said help me information get in touch with my Marie
November 29th, 2009 at 5:34 pmShe’s the only one who’d phone me here from Memphis Tennessee
Her home is on the south side, high up on a ridge
About a half a mile from the Mississipi bridge
Tracy & OSTL -
I recommend we pivot. Let’s claim Obama threatened our mothers. Then we can file a lawsuit and have Orly put on a spectacle. The libs here would go CRAZY!
November 29th, 2009 at 5:36 pmBear with me, I’m eating leftover stuffing.
November 29th, 2009 at 5:37 pmI’m looking at YOU, retired Marine Corps Brigadier General Stephen Cheney, former Commanding General, Marine Corps Recruit Depot Parris Island, SC!
You should be made to answer to the RUSH!
November 29th, 2009 at 5:40 pmShit, I’m posting too much and saying too little. Normally, I don’t do that.
November 29th, 2009 at 5:42 pm“We will pay for this one way or another,” Gen. Anthony C. Zinni, a retired Marine and the former head of the Central Command, wrote recently in a report he prepared as a member of a military advisory board on energy and climate at CNA, a private group that does research for the Navy. “We will pay to reduce greenhouse gas emissions today, and we’ll have to take an economic hit of some kind.
November 29th, 2009 at 5:46 pm“Or we will pay the price later in military terms,” he warned. “And that will involve human lives.”
Zinni also commanded my favorite type of military unit, a Marine Expeditionary Force.
November 29th, 2009 at 5:48 pmWhat the GOP REALLY means …, I’m addicted to eating Thanksgiving leftovers outta the fridge. It’s hard to stop ‘cold turkey’ :).
November 29th, 2009 at 5:51 pmThat’s a good one, Keith! I was about to counter with ‘cold rump’ but that would have offended my master, El Rushbo!
November 29th, 2009 at 5:53 pmhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver/print
· Secret report warns of rioting and nuclear war
· Britain will be ‘Siberian’ in less than 20 years
· Threat to the world is greater than terrorism
Mark Townsend and Paul Harris in New York
The Observer, Sunday 22 February 2004
Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters..
A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a ‘Siberian’ climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world.
The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents.
‘Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life,’ concludes the Pentagon analysis. ‘Once again, warfare would define human life.’
The findings will prove humiliating to the Bush administration, which has repeatedly denied that climate change even exists. Experts said that they will also make unsettling reading for a President who has insisted national defence is a priority.
The report was commissioned by influential Pentagon defence adviser Andrew Marshall, who has held considerable sway on US military thinking over the past three decades. He was the man behind a sweeping recent review aimed at transforming the American military under Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
Climate change ’should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to a US national security concern’, say the authors, Peter Schwartz, CIA consultant and former head of planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group, and Doug Randall of the California-based Global Business Network.
November 29th, 2009 at 5:58 pm‘cold rump’ but that would have offended my master, El Rushbo!
or Sarah Palin?
November 29th, 2009 at 6:02 pmI’m not buying it.
Instead of seeing the Inevitable Transition from Fossil Fuels to Renewable Energy as a threat to the Economy…a price to pay..
I see this transition as an Economic Opportunity….an Investment for the Future.
If the Issue is framed (like the Republicans want ) as a COST, then the Voters in this Sputtering Economy will reject it.
The Dems need to sell this as an Economic Rescue Plan…for good jobs and a strong economy.
ET (Energy Technology) is the key to future economic success, just like IT (Information Technology) was to the Clinton Years.
Note that a previously reluctant China is sending its president to Copenhagen.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:02 pmSarah Palin has a hot caboose, not a cold rump!
I’ll shutup now.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:04 pmBadger, I believe it’s the Chinese and Germans who are making big strides in solar energy.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:05 pmJimmeh and his kind seem to like the idea of tax-credits for energy companies as a source of R&D funding. It’s not a bad idea. However, would it not make more sense to subsidize solar panels on every new roof, when it’s more cost effective than add-ons, built in this country? A modern solar array pays for itself in 6-8 years with a 20 year+ projected lifespan.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:06 pmOSTL,
Are we there to liberate the Iraqis like the conservatives said—–or to kill every single last one of them?
There are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world, so there is gonna have to be a lot of killing!
November 29th, 2009 at 6:08 pmBadger,
It is indeed maddening. Every revolution in energy has created immense fortunes and these freaks are too chicken to take a short-term loss.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:10 pmI’m not buying it.
If the Issue is framed (like the Republicans want ) as a COST, then the Voters in this Sputtering Economy will reject it.
I don’t think trying to frame the issue in different terms is going to work. The fossil fuel industries are closely linked to the auto industry and electric companies. The 1970’s gas crisis did not spur the auto industry to look for alternative energy because that would hurt the oil companies. Likewise for coal and natural gas, the industries are in bed with each other so there is no financial incentive to develop alternative energy. These companies fear solar energy because they cannot charge money for it. Much like the health insurance companies, they have us by the throats and won’t let go.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:13 pmOSTL says:
One less suicide bomber…
One less, out of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, taking innocents down with them 30:1. What is the Grand Ole Party’s plan to prevent such attacks in the future? I hope it’s not further payouts to insurgent groups.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:17 pmAs most of us sit and wait and expect from our leaders to take action it is possible to witness the degradation of our planet sooner than anybody could expected. Let’s do something now!
November 29th, 2009 at 6:18 pmThe 1970’s gas crisis did not spur the auto industry to look for alternative energy
True….but it DID Allow the Japanese (Toyota, Datsun, Honda) to introduce fuel efficient well built passenger cars..and proceed to beat the pants off of American Auto Corps.
And shortly thereafter, largely due to these smaller cars ,the price of oil plunged to less than $10 a bbl, and stayed there for decades….just about destroying OPEC.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:21 pml77 – Marie
November 29th, 2009 at 6:24 pmMarie Memphis sounds great!
It’s good to know there is a smart, informed woman in Tennessee who comes here to post her witty remarks.
OSTL says:
One less suicide bomber…
November 29th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
While Olby Sucks quivers in fright and pisses his pants over the thought of a 3 year old Muslim child, I have reported his racist ass for abuse.
Please join me. Thanks.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:25 pmA trip down rock ‘n’ roll memory lane with Chuck Berry tryin’ to get in touch with his Marie.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:27 pmFun!
No. Olby Sucks, you’re not a racist because you’re allegedly against terrorism, you’re a racist because that’s who you are.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:31 pmHow can my party be against terrorism when we create terrorism? Look at how we fare here at home, the country is going through a severe bout of classic GOP economic terrorism.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:32 pmO/T, There is a song called crazy I need to know the woman who sang it I think its from the fifty`s. Thankyou.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:33 pmMuch as I agree with Badger that we must frame the environmental/climate issue in economic terms if it is to be successful, but pags2 is right — the industries are too wedded to fossil fuels for any significant change to occur…not unlike the insurance industry for health care.
When they finally figure out how to make humongous profits from renewable sources, we might see something positive happen, but they don’t seem to have the motivation to change the status quo for now. Lobbyists and their paid-off friends in the congress are calling all shots.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:35 pmCrazy – Patsy Cline written by Willie Nelson
November 29th, 2009 at 6:35 pmAs a billion people run out of water over the next 20 years or so, “terrorists” will be created in places that are historically non-violent. Sane people, like our military leaders, realize that nuking them is not an option. Stupid trolls? not so much.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:35 pmWhy is my party still advertising the gilded age they promised us long ago but never delivered? Sorry, sport, the gig is up.
At least Hoffman kept that seat in republican hands.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:36 pmThankyou Rab.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:37 pmPatsy Cline!
November 29th, 2009 at 6:38 pmPatsy Cline sayg “crazy”
November 29th, 2009 at 6:38 pmOSTL says:
Can OSTL tell us why killing a 3 year old Iraqi child in cold blood made us safer?
One less suicide bomber…
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. You disgust me.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:39 pmI guess I should refresh first… :-D
November 29th, 2009 at 6:39 pmOlby Sucks is afraid of Muslim children and sends other peoples Christian children to kill each other. How very GOP of him.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:40 pmMy favorite Patsy Cline song is “Walking After Midnight”…sweeet with swiiing!
November 29th, 2009 at 6:40 pmThis is why you won’t ever be taken seriously. You’re an idiot and a dangerous one at that.
Reported for abuse.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:41 pmHey, Osty – how about we start shooting wingnuts’ children? That way there’ll be fewer teabagging a$$wipes like yourself running around…
I think that’s a fine idea. Just as fine as the idea of shooting Muslim children…you sick bastard.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:41 pmI’ve also reported ostl’s post to the fbi.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:41 pmOlbystalker FLAGGED. Right to lifers my a$$.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:42 pmI’m not enjoying this thievery of Marie’s identity. First she’s the one forced to change her name. Will she have to move away and wear a mustache, too?
:(
November 29th, 2009 at 6:42 pmI agree, Fred, that was one of the lowest comments from the low-life OSTL.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:42 pmBut like all repugniscum, he has no shame, cannot be embarrassed.
Inhofe is just a whore for the oil company`s and the big corporations. I would pay money to watch him choke on the pollution that we pump into our atmosphere. Fck Inhofe,repugs, and the talking heads who defend the destruction of our planet.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:42 pmsscncturn64, Miss Patsy Cline from Winchester Virginia
_________________
OlbySucks, When the I.R.A. bombed sites in Britain, the British did not target 3-year-old girls in Belfast to prevent future terrorists, you sadistic, sick, racist!
November 29th, 2009 at 6:43 pmKeith says:
Memphis Marie, the Chuck Berry version or the Johnny Rivers version?
Like ‘em both.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:44 pmIt’s just going to retreat, suck on his thumb, and be a vote down baby for the remainder of the night.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:46 pmMarie says:
l77 – Marie
Marie Memphis sounds great!
It’s good to know there is a smart, informed woman in Tennessee who comes here to post her witty remarks.
Merci, Marie!
November 29th, 2009 at 6:47 pmRemember your own words, Olby Sucks, if or when you have a child of your own. If that is beyond your capability just wither, dry up and blow away.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:47 pmI’m confused…
Is “Marie” the original Marie, or is “Memphis Marie” the original?
November 29th, 2009 at 6:50 pmWhich Marie is the original, Marie or Memphis?
November 29th, 2009 at 6:51 pmMy party still thinks it’s 2006 when we were in power and scoffing at the ISG’s findings. Hence, the vile remarks from my staff trolls.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:52 pmOlby Sucks pisses into the wind.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:52 pmIt’s your piss we’re trying to avoid Olbystalker. Change your diaper.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:52 pmNo, you keep licking it up from the toilet before I can even think about a “huddle”
November 29th, 2009 at 6:56 pmSo many of these so called Conservatives are infatuated with the trickle down. Sick phuks.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:57 pmvote down baby
November 29th, 2009 at 6:58 pmOlby needs to be shunned.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:59 pmInhofe seems dumb enough to enjoy pissing into the wind as well. Piss soaked idiot crowing away as if he had an idea.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:59 pmSo, my impression is that the Inhofe, C-Street, neo-con response to the notion that stopping the general and worldwide pollution of the only world we have to live on is to keep on doing the same pollution. If we stop, Inhofe, the C-Street crowd, and the polluters will not be able to continue to line their pockets at everyone else’s expense, conveniently rationalizing that to stop would cost too much. As if having everyone on the fracking planet strangling in airborne and waterborne filth isn’t something of a cost.
Ah, but Jeezuz will save them from their own folly. Post-mortem, of course. Just remember, trolls, ya gotta crap out, ya gotta croak, before Jeezuz hands you your eternal life hymnbook and hosannah noisemaker, and it looks like you’re gonna croak by breathing Inhofe’s earl buddy’s exhaust fumes.
(The widely held view that the Rapture precedes death is a delusion. The Rapture is the noise experienced by a conscious but dying troll as what’s left of it’s degenerate brain cells fire randomly and shut down. Then, and only then do Jeezuz hand you… well, we won’t get into what he hands trolls who have been bad.)
November 29th, 2009 at 7:01 pmSomething tells me OSTL wants the FBI at his house.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:01 pmOSTL,
Are you the clown from Twisted Metal?
November 29th, 2009 at 7:02 pmRegent University.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:04 pmWhat the GOP REALLY means … says:
Something tells me OSTL wants the FBI at his house.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
He wants to out-do the guy who ambushed and killed the deputies in Pierce County, WA.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:10 pmWhat kind of person would actually vote for such an obvious sold out fool as Inhofe? Even the most braindead Xtrians know they are supposed to take care of God’s creation.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:13 pmBriseadh na Faire says:
Ya know, a hellofa lot of evangelical christians are gonna be disappointed when they wake up on 12/13/2012 and find themselves still on this planet.
Actually, It will US who gets to be lifted to a higher plane, for trying to be good stewards of the planet and doing the work of Gawd, even though many of us do not specifically believe in gawd, we know that the rational usage of resources is in line with all religious disciplines. The GOPers will be the ones left behind as the rapture states; the evil are left behind to live in the cataclysm that is to follow, from their poor management of the resources under thier control.
I say such KILL EVERY CORPORATION NOW!!!
November 29th, 2009 at 7:14 pmThe conservatives approach to energy problems in the US is much like the CEO’s of many US companies. There is no planning for the long term for many companies. Conservatives only look to the short term today because they don’t care enough about the long term. Our energy policy should have been transformed after the 1970’s, but we ended up settling for better gas mileage. We did not solve the problem; we just put it off for a later date. And here we are at the later date.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:17 pmOSTL (Outside Sucking The Lads),
Being home schooled in a cave hasn’t worked out well for you.
Maybe you should run away from your cave and start charging for your BJ’s. At least it’s a living.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:18 pmdixie blood says:
OSTL (Outside Sucking The Lads),
Being home schooled in a cave hasn’t worked out well for you.
Maybe you should run away from your cave and start charging for your BJ’s. At least it’s a living.
Yeah, enjoy the benefits of the Free Market.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:20 pmWhat rock did Inhofe crawl out from under? He’s been exposed to as much education as he has sunlight. Can’t he borrow a bottle of spray tan from his buddy Boner?
November 29th, 2009 at 7:29 pmProbably better for everyone if he would just crawl back under the rock.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:30 pmDoes Inhofe celebrate the deaths of 3 year old children? Why not actually make it a GOP plank?
November 29th, 2009 at 7:34 pmZooey says:
I’m confused…
Is “Marie” the original Marie, or is “Memphis Marie” the original?
My new bff Marie is the original and the best!
:)
November 29th, 2009 at 7:37 pmFAREED ZAKARIA, HOST of CNN’s: GPS, the GLOBAL PUBLIC SQUARE, said today:
Innovation has actually been on my mind. I’ve always assumed that this was an area that America remained head and shoulders ahead of the world. That’s where our future lies. That’s how we will move up the value chain and create new jobs for the future.
But over the last few months, I’ve been having some second thoughts. I’ve been reading these two new studies that use not polls of experts, but hard data. And they suggest that America’s lead is slipping.
In fact, one of them looks at the degree to which countries are adjusting and improving their research technology and regulatory policies to stay competitive. And it finds that the United States has made the least progress of the 36 nations in four regions studied. You can go to our Web site for the actual studies. [link does not work]
Consider the three most important technologies in alternative energy that are likely to yield big payoffs — solar, wind and battery power. America doesn’t measure up to Asia in any of the three. Take solar energy. Japan and China each have three of the top 10 companies in that field. America has only two.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:44 pmKeith says:
Badger, I believe it’s the Chinese and Germans who are making big strides in solar energy.
using our original technology, from the 70s even…
first germany… which, according to thom hartman, is covered with solar panels thanks to the apathy of the US, due to oilco propaganda…
i remember those days…
we’ve lost a lot of ground since then… doubtful we’ll ever catch up…
especially when you hear of texas wind farms using turbines from china…
crazy. and stupid.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:15 pmThe single name “Marie” is me – I’ve been here since TP began.
Marie Memphis is the newer, more witty, woman from the south.
I have appreciated all of her comments here – sorry they weren’t mine!
November 29th, 2009 at 8:18 pmand, ‘original’ marie is in chicago, just as you are, shayne…
how could you forget?
… um, have i got that right?
November 29th, 2009 at 8:29 pmwell… no wonder… after the whole long day – a new thread…
November 29th, 2009 at 8:31 pmI’m lucky I can remember what I had for breakfast. Two Maries are better than one!
November 29th, 2009 at 8:43 pm286, You’re a jerk :)
November 29th, 2009 at 9:06 pmMarie Memphis says:
286, You’re a jerk :)
You may be new, but you caught on to Tracy_5 immediately! :D Tracy_5 is a long-time troller, we’ve already suffered through his 5 entities for too long.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:55 pmAnd yes, Tracist is and always has been a jerk.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:05 pm@ 277. jb says: Probably better for everyone if he would just crawl back under the rock. November 29th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
The Right Honorable Senator from Oklahoma, James Inhofe did not crawl out from under the rock.
The rock threw the slimeball out, told him to never come back. There’s only so much so much crap you can expect a decent, honest rock to take…
November 30th, 2009 at 12:51 amHow can this person continue to try and impugn military generals who speak out on this subject and then propose that the thousands of silent generals agree with him. Sounds like Nixon claiming support from the silent majority, another Republican falsehood. Please, someone in the Senate needs to call this guy out on all his lies and distortions. What disturbs me the most is when I saw him playing nice with Sen. Boxer on one of their committee hearings, all smiling at each other. Silence is not acceptable in the face of bold lies that undermine our national security!
November 30th, 2009 at 3:00 pmIsn’t this like the pot calling the kettle black. Talk about limelight seekers Inhoff is the leader of the pack. The media of all stripes should stop covering this moron and all those like him because writing about him and his views only encourages him.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:35 pmIt is pointless to expect any honesty or integrity from Inhofe. He is bought and paid for by the oil industry. He will do and say whatever serves what the oil industry instructs him to say and do. I also agree that he is not very bright; however, that is not his greatest limitation.
December 5th, 2009 at 10:26 amCorrected to read:
It is pointless to expect any honesty or integrity from Inhofe. He is bought and paid for by the oil industry. He will do and say whatever the oil industry instructs him to do and say. I also agree that he is not very bright; however, that is not his greatest limitation.
December 5th, 2009 at 10:28 am