UK Iraq War Inquiry: Blair Was Told Iraq War Was Illegal, Decided On War In 2002
UK Iraq War Inquiry: Blair Was Told Iraq War Was Illegal, Decided On War In 2002
Last Tuesday, the United Kingdom began “the most thorough investigation yet into the decisions that led up to the war and governed Britain’s involvement” through a series of Iraq war hearings in which numerous high-level British officials — including key war supporter and Bush ally ex-Prime Minister Tony Blair — are expected to testify about their role in bringing their country to war.
The hearings, chaired by privy council member John Chilcot, have brought to light a number of explosive facts which unveil the level of chicanery practiced by the Blair government in taking the country to war over the opposition of the vast majority of British citizens:
– Blair was told prior to the war by his intelligence services that Iraq did not have access to weapons of mass destruction. Sir William Ehrman, the director-general of defense and intelligence at the Foreign Office at the time, told the inquiry that British intelligence services had concluded ten days prior to the beginning of the war that Saddam Hussein did not have access to weapons of mass destruction and that he also likely lacked warheads capable of delivering such weapons. The Blair government ignored the advice of their intelligence services and supported the war anyway. [11/25/09]
– The Blair government had decided to support the US-led war up to a year before the invasion. Sir Christopher Meyer, the ambassador to Washington at the time, told the inquiry that the Blair government had decided that it was “a complete waste of time” to resist Bush’s efforts to go to war and had instead opted to offer advice about how to invade. Meyer also told the inquiry that former US national security adviser Condoleeza Rice had called the Meyer on the day of the 9/11 attacks and told him, “We are just looking to see whether there could possibly be a connection with Saddam Hussein.” Meyer also reiterated that both the American and British government were constantly looking for a “smoking gun” to justify the upcoming war. [11/26/09, 11/26/09]
– Blair was told the Iraq War would be illegal under international law by his attorney general. In a July 2002 letter, former British attorney general Lord Goldsmith warned Blair that the UN charter only permits military intervention “on the basis of self-defence” or for “humanitarian intervention” and that neither case applied to Iraq. Blair responded by banning Goldsmith from future cabinet meetings and ignoring his verdict on the legality of the war. [11/29/09]
The Iraq war Inquiry will continue through 2010 and is expected to release its conclusions in a formal report at the end of that year. Although few expect there to ever be prosecutions as a result of the deception or illegality of the invasion of Iraq — despite the fact, as one of the last surviving judges of the Nuremburg Tribunal has said, the leaders who launched the invasion should be held accountable — there are other important reasons to investigate the drive to war. As Chilcot said at the opening of the hearings Tuesday, the inquiry was set up not only to “identify the lessons that should be learned from the UK’s involvement in Iraq,” but also to “help future governments who may face future situations.”
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Go to jail Tony, go directly to jail and take the shrub with you.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:54 pmDowney Street Memo.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:05 pmBush is such an ahole, he even looks like a massive ahole in this picture. Can we HANG this muddafugging traitor already?
November 29th, 2009 at 7:08 pmIt would be nice if we could do this at home. It’s a complete shame that this is not on the agenda. And won’t be, under our current admin, as they have stated.
Just smoke, mirors, more smoke, etc.
Maybe…just maybe…the UK records will implicate Bush and we can do something about this BS here.
But, as long as we are sending more troops to Afghanistan, no one will be trying to prove invading Iraq was a fraud.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:09 pmWhenever I see a picture of the fcking murderer bush it makes me want to throw up. Bush/cheney are war criminals. I for one would pay everything I own to pull the switch that would execute these two fckking pieces of sht.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:13 pmBush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the Neocons to the world: “Sorry.”
November 29th, 2009 at 7:13 pmBlair was told prior to the war by his intelligence services that Iraq did not have access to weapons of mass destruction
– - Blair was just being Bush’s poodle. Heel Tony, heel.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:14 pmGame of Life says:
Downey Street Memo.
– - Umm, Downing Street.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:15 pmthe Blair government had decided that it was “a complete waste of time” to resist Bush’s efforts to go to war
So Tony Blair was a good judge of character, but a lousy judge of the responsibilities of his office under the law.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:15 pmIt didn’t matter to Blair that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 or Saddam Hussein; it only mattered that his BFF ‘W’ wanted Tony to be involved so things would appear as though, with Britain’s support, there could be NO QUESTION that war was absolutely justified. Bush knew how to push the right Blair buttons and it still mystifies me as to what it was that Bush had on Blair for Blair to fall in line so quickly. Did Bush think with Blair involved, that would automatically give the Iraq War legitimacy? I only hope the investigation will put Blair in a very precarious position to make him speak truthfully so that Obama cannot continue to ‘look forward’.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:18 pmToo bad this revelation will change very few minds, if any at all.
I am willing to bet the braindead Bush supporters will dust off their claims that Saddam Hussein needed to be “taken out” and that any investigation into the Iraq invasion “emboldens the terrorists”.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:19 pmHi VoteDownBaby.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:24 pmAll the unfathomable death and destruction waged by these two men goes unpunished while people are jailed for smoking pot.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:26 pmMaybe the Brits will go to The Hague and charge GW Botch and Dickhead with war crimes.
I can dream can’t I?
November 29th, 2009 at 7:29 pmWho is the troll voting everyone down? I guess this subject has hit a nerve hasn’t it? The fact Bush AND Blair are immoral liars responsible for the deaths of thousands.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:31 pm[...]the Blair government had decided that it was “a complete waste of time” to resist Bush’s efforts to go to war and had instead opted to offer advice about how to invade.
…and ended up sending troops into this sorry mess.
Both Bush and Blair have the blood of thousands of innocent Iraqis on their hands, and both their names will forever be associated with this absolute blunder.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:32 pmdixie@14, How many times I said to myself, “Yeah, NOW Bush and Cheney are going down!” Only to have my hopes dashed. The Plame leak? Nothing. Katrina? Nothing. No WMDs? Nothing. At least now I have a sliver of hope. If ‘The Poodle’ goes down, he might take Georgie with him.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:36 pmThe first nation (Great Britain or the USA) to bring charges against Botch and Dickhead will be heroes in the eyes of the rest of the world.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:45 pmEvery so often I get the urge to drive to the Bush Compound in Kennebunkport here in Maine to give the occupants the middle finger.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:47 pmdixie blood says,
Unfortunatly, I don’t think it will happen. At least in our lifetimes. No one in leadership either in the United Kingdom or the US has the Moral Compass strong or true enough to do it.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:48 pmAs Chilcot said at the opening of the hearings Tuesday, the inquiry was set up not only to “identify the lessons that should be learned from the UK’s involvement in Iraq,” but also to “help future governments who may face future situations.”
Look, mr. Chilcot, it is very simple and straightforward, if laws were broken, then the law should be applied and brought to bear on the guilty ones. Nothing else to learn from this. Politicians should be held responsible for their actions, just as any other clown that breaks the law.
The US government should take note.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:50 pm#20 – Jim Wolf359,
Sometimes the threat of imprisonment works better than a “moral compass.”
November 29th, 2009 at 7:56 pmAnd sooner or later, a rat enters out of his rat hole. The Poodle and [his co-conspirator], the former clown President’s crimes were going to eventually surface and eventually be their demise. The house of cards in the Sith Administration and the Poodle are about to come down. Oh, and let’s not forget the recent discovery of not capturing Bin Laden in December 2001 according to the new release Senate report:
WASHINGTON — Osama bin Laden was unquestionably within reach of U.S. troops in the mountains of Tora Bora when American military leaders made the crucial and costly decision not to pursue the terrorist leader with massive force, a Senate report says.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/topstories/2009-11-28-1014923723_x.htm
According to report, “The decision not to deploy American forces to go after Bin Laden or block his escape was made by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and his top commander, General Tommy Franks.”
November 29th, 2009 at 7:58 pm19
November 29th, 2009 at 8:00 pmThere is a little place to park right at “blowing cave”
Where’s that dimwit soldier_girl? How come she’s not here to defend her (past) Commander in Chief?
Other than that, all those who willingly told lies to sell this war – Need To Be In Jail.
At the very least.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:18 pmKayInMaine says:
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Every so often I get the urge to drive to the Bush Compound in Kennebunkport here in Maine to give the occupants the middle finger.
Pick me up on the way Kay..I’ll go with ya.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:20 pmRich H says,
November 29th, 2009 at 8:21 pmThat’s what I was wondering Rich! Its a perfect subject for her. Perhaps soldier_girl would care to enlighten us as to the wisdom and awesomeness of the mental midget named W.
Just another picture of the 63 year-old “n’er grew up” with his invisible six-shooter at his side. It will take more than eight years to repair what that imbecile wrought.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:23 pmLooks like Tracy’s here to take his place. Prepare for some profound wisdom.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:24 pmTracy__5 at 8:20 pm
What are you laughing at? Your heroes are clocking Dick Cheney numbers. (Mid to low teens)
November 29th, 2009 at 8:24 pmRacist_5 says,
I wouldn’t count on that just yet Racist.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:25 pmTracy’s just happy his hero brought death and destruction to hundreds of thousands of innocent brown people – and there seems to be nothing we’re doing about it.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:26 pmThe Brits are doing what the USA is incapable of doing:
November 29th, 2009 at 8:27 pmthey are investigating the run-up to the war in Iraq. First, they found that ten days BEORE 3/19/03, Blair knew there were no WMDs in Iraq.
Now we are learning that he was also warned that the invasion was illegal in international law.
What else will be learned as this continues over the coming months. Will prosecution of Blair be followed by the same for Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice?
If Blair is made to pay consequences for his aiding and abetting an international crime, isn’t it inevitable that the USA would have to follow — after all Bush was the ringleader.
Oh My God. Blair Blair conspired to commit an illegal act!
That’s Illegal.
Right?
so… OK bye!
November 29th, 2009 at 8:27 pmDidn’t we hear of a Brit several years ago who said the info for invading Iraq was being “sexed up.”
November 29th, 2009 at 8:29 pmOT
Oh poor stupid teatards.
Who says we have to wait until 2010 for the stupid repugs to fail?
I love it!
November 29th, 2009 at 8:29 pmPhoto Caption: The master takes his poodle for a walk.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:31 pmThere was one and only one Brit who didn’t cower to the Bushies and their convicted felons and goons. what the heck was his name… he deserves a medal if anyone does.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:33 pmThis thread will cause the vote-down monkey to go nuts — watch out for flying feces!
November 29th, 2009 at 8:34 pmstewarjt says:
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Photo Caption: The master takes his poodle for a walk.
How about. Tony, Stop playing pocket pool and puff up your chest like me.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:35 pmApe-Man — are you thinking of Galloway?
November 29th, 2009 at 8:35 pmThis is where the repug’s trickle down theory should work. UK will naturally bring out chimpy’s lies. It’s all his fault. Then BAM trials.
This is why the poodle wasn’t chosen as Europe’s President.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:36 pmBadmoodman says:
Game of Life says:
Downey Street Memo.
– – Umm, Downing Street.
HAHAHAHA Fabric softener.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:38 pmTar and feather him.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:39 pm*
This is from Glen Greenwald…..FRIEDMAN: I think it was unquestionably worth doing, Charlie. I think that, looking back, I now certainly feel I understand more what the war was about . . . . What we needed to do was go over to that part of the world, I’m afraid, and burst that bubble. We needed to go over there basically, and take out a very big stick, right in the heart of that world, and burst that bubble. . . .
And what they needed to see was American boys and girls going from house to house, from Basra to Baghdad, and basically saying: which part of this sentence do you understand? You don’t think we care about our open society? . . . . Well, Suck. On. This. That, Charlie, was what this war was about.
Nuff said maybe?
Kinda proves how wrong friedman and bush and cheney and dumsfeld really were and still are. The neocons have totally screwed up both wars they started and are now trying to blame their screw-ups on President Obama. Iraq was a war of revenge the idiot bush wanted to prove he wasn’t the coward he knows he was and is. We need to leave both countries and fix our own so we can be what we once were before this cluster- mess ruins our once fine country.
peace
November 29th, 2009 at 8:40 pmYa, Galloway! Thanks Marie.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:45 pmwldj says:
Sorry wldj..Was voting everyone up and pressed the wrong buttom..By bad.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:47 pmWanna play a game vote down baby?
November 29th, 2009 at 8:47 pmThe vote down attack is on.
And I still think GWB is an imbecile.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:49 pmIt doesn’t matter by what path we achieve justice, just so that we achieve it.
I don’t have much hope left that Bush and Cheney will face justice though. Maybe I will be surprised and the rule of law still applies in America, but until Bush and Cheney face justice, American law isn’t worth the paper it is written on.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:49 pmwiley says:
All the unfathomable death and destruction waged by these two men goes unpunished while people are jailed for smoking pot.
Speaking of pot…
November 29th, 2009 at 8:49 pmGalloway was one and another was murdered (died under questionable circumstances). I can’t recall his name either.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:51 pmLevi the Oracle
Just think for the rest of their miserable lives they will be looking over their shoulders. Every four years.
I want them to keep on bragging about breaking the law.
I feel President Obama will handle these crooks during his second term.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:55 pmThe people I feel sorry for are barbara and jen bush. They are educated, they know for a fact that their father is not only the biggest asshle on the planet but he is also responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths.Fortunatly most of us will be able to watch the murderer cheney`s funeral on TV, his heart cant last much longer. Thats why I had to laugh when that fat btch liz talked about her dad running in 2012. The piece of sht wont be around,hopefully.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:56 pmIt amazes me that the repugs dont want to see civilian trials for terrorists in NYC, but the two biggest criminals of all time havn`t even been charged yet.WTF!!!
Na, they are well indoctrinated and insulated.
They don’t want to hear it and won’t listen if you tell them.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:58 pmTHIS IS WHAT BREEDS TERRORISTS:
If the individuals who are responsible for the deaths of between 1 and 2 million innocent Iraqis are not held accountable by the rule of law, then their countries will be held accountable through reciprocal violence.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:00 pmsscncturn64 says:
I have to agree with you..These girls rebeled from asshat parents much as Ron Reagen rebeled from the Gipper..Who knows..maybe they will turn libral some day.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:06 pmBush’s response: “OK so what – a couple of fellas make a couple mistakes – it’s not easy – this is hard stuff – it’s not easy being GW or Blair – we have big responsibilities – we have to take care of the big things, the jobs that the meek can’t handle. you know, those are the jobs that the Law can’t handle either. The ones you’re better off not knowing about.”
Dear Former President Gubba U. Busched, please step away from the curtain with your hands… holding a bible so you can be sworn in at a confessions hearing. Let’s get it all out in the open – the curtain isn’t protecting us, it’s protecting you and endangering us.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:12 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Sorry wldj..Was voting everyone up and pressed the wrong buttom..By bad.
Hey no problem Indy I try to never sweat the small stuff….to be honest as little as I respond here a vote-down is an honor…the trolls don’t know me :)
November 29th, 2009 at 9:20 pmCaption contest:
The banty rooster takes his poodle for walkies.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:23 pmBush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rice, Blair, Richard Perle, Doug Feith…
the charge: tortured and murdered over one million Iraqi men, women, and children….
the verdict: guilty as charged….
the sentence: minimum 30 years in prison / death by hanging.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:23 pmI’m just interested in hearing the testimony that states that they knew their ‘pearl harbor event’ was going to arrive on 9-11 and that there are documents and eye witnesses to prove it.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:24 pmGeorge says – Hehehe, hey, you leave my poodle dog alone, our Master Satan told him to do my bidding, me, the decidering guy, and they need to stop this investigation of my war crimes and lies that led up to this war. Hell, Dick and I planned this thing before we were even in office, so they don’t need to go any further, if they do, they may find that Dick and I helped plan 911, it was a perfect plan, American’s would be too stupid to look at facts, hell, we know that they hate facts, they have been ignoring facts since Ronnie did the whole arms for hostages thing. They had better be careful, Dick will unlease his assassins with some of that Anthrax that we sent to our opponents last time, we still have more. We are free as birds, yeah, FREE, we lied, we killed, we tortured and American’s don’t have the guts to do jacksh!t about it…Obama is not going to do anything either, he doesn’t want our Minority Majority making anymore trouble for him, heck no. So here, NAHNAHNANAH, I wag my bottom at America….what do you think Dick?
Dick says – Just wait till the republicans are back in power, then we can go after Obama for harboring war criminals, and get me some fresh blood from cute kittens and puppies.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:30 pmSince it was Iraqis who died in Bush & Tony’s illegal war, Iraq should be given jurisdiction to give them a fair trial.
After all, they hung Saddam Hussein for the deaths of just 168 Iraqis and the video of the hanging was quickly spread around the world for all to see. It would indeed be fitting if Iraqi forces mustered a secret rendiditon of Bush & Co. and put them on trial for their lives.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:38 pmAs GeorgeandDick above says-
American’s hate facts…
…and many, many facts point to this being a planned event.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:45 pmDoesn’t Blair live and work in the U.S.? I thought he was a professor or something.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:53 pmI look at Bush in that picture, and all I can see is Randy, the kid brother in “A Christmas Story,” when he couldn’t put his arms down with his snowsuit on.
“Randy just lay there like a slug. It was his only defense.”
November 29th, 2009 at 9:54 pmBreaking…Man sought for cop killings was granted clemancy from then Govenor Mike Hukabee.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:57 pmAfter all, they hung Saddam Hussein for the deaths of just 168 Iraqis and the video of the hanging was quickly spread around the world for all to see. It would indeed be fitting if Iraqi forces mustered a secret rendiditon of Bush & Co. and put them on trial for their lives.
People (and when I say “people”, I mean the frackin’ idiots on the right who supported the illegal invasion of Iraq) need to keep in mind that Saddam was not executed for the deaths of “thousands of his own people.” He was executed for the killing of 168 of them. I guess once he was found guilty and sentenced to death, they just figured all the other trials (which might expose the involvement of the US) were unnecessary and superfluous.
The truth of our involvement with the many thousands we know he killed may never be known. But we were involved. We supported Saddam in his war against Iran, but that was because Iran had taken our hostages less than ten years before. We might have supported Iran in that war otherwise. It made no difference to our military industrial complex who needed the weapons, as long as they got the sales.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:59 pmWhy did Tony Blair want to have his picture taken with a life-size George W. Bush Action Figure?
November 29th, 2009 at 10:01 pmWayne@72, LOL! i remember when Bush showed up on the Aircraft Carrier in a BORROWED military uniform and Tweety, aka, Chris Matthews was going on and on how macho he looked! I felt like vomiting on the spot.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:06 pmI seem to remember bush getting the republican congress before 06 to pass a law giving immunity to the bush admin for torture…..It seems like I remember it from a PBS special….
November 29th, 2009 at 10:06 pm@73, Still shilling that particular site? Give it up man.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:08 pmThe kangaroo court trial and execution of Sadam Hussein will come back to haunt us all.
I believe Sadam was a tyrant but the spectacle of hunting this one tyrant down and killing him in such a grissly fashion was pretty disgusting.
It demeaned us all and did damage to the good name of justice.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:10 pmTracy__5 says:
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Not Likely to Vote.
Thank you Daily Kos!
Ahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Yeah, ‘cuz we all know how stable polls are. They never ever change. /rolls eyes
And it’s still funny that the poll you put up to get us to look at how Democrats currently say they won’t vote in the 2010 election (which I had to search for btw) is the same poll that pretty much shows they don’t HAVE to vote in the 2010 election. The Dems pretty much have slaughtered the public opinion of the Republicans, looking at those first results.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:11 pmGood catch, P.D.
If this guy turns out to be the killer, Huckabee can kiss his presidential aspirations goodbye.
So sorry, Daryll. Maybe Jesus was just having fun with you when he told you to start calling him “President-elect Huckabee”.
Of course, Huck can still milk his gig as a Faux News host.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:14 pmhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091130/ap_on_re_us/us_officers_shot
November 29th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
ralph@79, This is damaging for Huckabee on so many levels. You know how the Repugs try make the Dems look weak on crime. Already Huckabee says he won’t run in 2012. Let’s see if Faux let’s him keep his show.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:22 pmFred@80, Thanx. I suck trying to do that. My skills are very crappy to say the least.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:24 pmSomeday History will tell the actual facts behind this massacre but I am afraid by then the criminals may have escaped their punishment.
I don’t know what it takes or if its technically possible for other countries to do it successfully, but Spain in late March this year presented charges against SOME of the criminal vermin that went along with the Chimperor and his boss the Dick.
I also recall the Chimperor acolytes reneging on the USA’s pledge to the Geneva Convention… and there are plenty more reasons for the sick fks to face justice for their crimes, many of which other progressives will recall and mention.
Whatever the outcome and turns of fate, I would like for those criminals to have a long life so they can be reminded everyday of what they did and maybe someday grow a soul, a speck of conscience and remorse, in a last attempt to undo the damage they have inflicted upon mankind and USA’s reputation.
I am also confident my fellow progressives will keep fighting for the ideals of equality, justice, social responsibility, and mankind’s welfare.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:26 pmYou seem to have other skills that compensate for it…..
November 29th, 2009 at 10:27 pmJohnny,
If Bush lived long enough to reflect on his crimes and went insane from the knowledge of what he had done.
How could we tell?
November 29th, 2009 at 10:33 pmFred@84, LOL! I hope you mean my intelligence!
November 29th, 2009 at 10:35 pmAll I know of you is what you post……yes, your intelligence.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:41 pmReally, where did it get him?
November 29th, 2009 at 10:41 pmTracy@87, Are you serious? Huckabee let off a criminal who later killed 4 cops! Man, you are delusional.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:42 pmTracy__5 says:
Don’t count Huck Huckabee out just yet. He faced these kinds of liberal smears before you know.
Would you please answer a serious question for me? I really want to know the answer, because I think it’s important. What do you mean when you use the word “smears”?
November 29th, 2009 at 10:44 pmWell, well, well… A troll blaming ‘LIBERALS’ again! It’s the ‘LIBERALS’ who gave the gunman clemancy! WTF?
November 29th, 2009 at 10:46 pmSince your question will undoubtedly result in tracy dissappearing……..
Wayne, when democrats hold republicans to the same standards that republicans hold democrats to, it’s a smear.
just ask tracy.
Now saying a president is a Muslim when there is no evidence to support it, according to republicans, is not a smear.
You know how this works, republican hypocricy at it’s best.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:49 pmTracy,
Care to address the topic of this thread? What do you think about the ongoing investigations in the U.K that will ultimately show Bush and his cronies are all War Criminals?
Or if you’d rather, what do you think about Huckabee releasing a felon who later killed 4 police officers?
Eithers o.k.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:50 pmI think it would be fantastic if we could get a few hundred people to do go down there and give them the finger while walking by their house! :-) Most of the neighbors down there don’t care too much for the Bushes. I’m sure they would love to see OTHER PEOPLE doing the same thing.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:54 pm85 Rich H
I know you are joking, but let me clarify the difference.
The Chimperor is STUPID, but not insane. Well, maybe not quite insane yet.
In Greek mythology, madness is considered among one of the greatest curses often brought upon and deserved by one’s guilt.
So the madman is to confront everyday the reality of his atrocities yet unable to scape them.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:56 pmKay,
I think you could do it. Just be sure to bring a few signs with you. I’d join, but I’m way too far away.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:56 pmn nnnnnnn
November 29th, 2009 at 10:57 pmwhoops, I was just carrying my laptop to another location. I really wasn’t drooling.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:58 pmNow we know the truth and how Americans were played for fools with the help of the Media and Law Makers. I feel bad for the Military Families as they didn’t have to die. I look forward to the War Crimes Trial against Blair, Bush Administration.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:08 pmJohnny,
I thought a clear sign of the onset of Bush insanity would be his new found ability to contsruct and speak full english sentences.
Interesting how the trolls will come out and defend the idiocy that is Palin, but raise the issue of Bush and Cheney being war criminals, not so much.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:09 pmjohnny dol1ar @ 96,
I am serious when I speak of the “Bush Legacy”. This is a concept that will long outlive G W Bush, and I believe he knows it.
He is scorned and he can not walk a free man. GW has started his hell on earth.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:17 pmI don’t think there’s anyone left willing to defend the Iraq invasion. The troll talking point that there was a 9/11 Iraq connection died an early death, there were no WMDs and Iraq is clearly not about to become a shining bastion of Middle East democracy. Even the evil Cheney can do little but critisize our current president. We may not see the war criminals brought to justice, but the verdict of history is in. Unnecessary war, inept leadership manipulated by a few evil guys with an evil agenda.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:17 pmI protested quite a bit down there when Georgie was messing up the country. It would be so good to back to the good ole days of telling that family exactly how I feel along with others of like-mind. :-)
November 29th, 2009 at 11:22 pmI have to add, aided and abetted by mass media. Facism at it’s finest.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:24 pmBush and Cheney brought up on for their war crimes….Now that would make for some good reality TV.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:25 pmjb,
How many viewers do you think that would have worldwide? My bet is it would far outdo the moon landing, and set records never to be broken.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:28 pmAnother Huckabee pardon gone awry?
ANOTHER???
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1109/Another_Huckabee_pardon_gone_awry.html?showall
check out the comments there… my favorite:
I’m a conservative, and I hope the press including Fox, gets all over Hucckabee and he pays for his liberal ways.
Posted By: hooligan | November 29, 2009 at 11:00 PM
righties are just fookn delusional…
November 29th, 2009 at 11:30 pmRich H says:
How many viewers do you think that would have worldwide?
I don’t know, but lots of us watched the Watergate hearings, and it’s bound to be more dramatic than that, what with the testimony of tortured innocents, fatherless children, and lying weasel neocons.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:33 pmBush, Cheney, Blair, Rummy, Condi, et al deserve a trial such as they gave Saddam. Then Freedom would truly be on the march.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:33 pmEven Judge Judy would tell that smart a$$ W to wipe that insipid smirk off his dumb a$$ face.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:37 pm101 Rich H
You are also correct.
Surprising and baffling because there are periods of lucidity that appear to be signs of improvement, but those are only temporary.
We may be veering off topic here. As I mentioned before, I still trust my fellow progressives will pursue new roads to fight disease despite the opposition of ignorant right wingers.
As for the trolls defending the Dick and Chimperor, it would take some sht-flinging-Baboon-tall troll to come and defend them. After the Nov. 2006 midterm election, many of “real conservatives” (read extreme wingnutz) blamed the Chimperor by saying he was not a “real conservative” (whatever the fk that is) and that the Chimperor was acting like a Democrat.
I was really, really, really hurt with that one.
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You also raise a VERY interesting point. Let’s ask Moose Boogers about her strategery regarding both Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
;^)
November 29th, 2009 at 11:41 pmRemember, Britain is not the only ones who thought Iraq was not a threat…
Powell, 2001:
He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors.
And even though we have no doubt in our mind that the Iraqi regime is pursuing programs to develop weapons of mass destruction — chemical, biological and nuclear — I think the best intelligence estimates suggest that they have not been terribly successful. There’s no question that they have some stockpiles of some of these sorts of weapons still under their control, but they have not been able to break out, they have not been able to come out with the capacity to deliver these kinds of systems or to actually have these kinds of systems that is much beyond where they were 10 years ago.
Source: thememoryhole.org
November 29th, 2009 at 11:42 pmAnyone notice Tracy didn’t bother to answer Wayne’s question? Must’ve ran to hide in mommy’s closet. Wingnuts just can’t stand being confronted with anything based on reality.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:50 pmhttp://www.johnpilger.com/page.asp?partid=229
John Pilger is a very good author. Here, he tells of Powell and Rice saying Iraq was no threat at all. The war planning was definite on 9/17/01. And David Kelley was the UK weapons expert who died.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:57 pmHow Can They Get Away With This?
Holder, do your job.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:22 amOFF TOPIC from my AP ticker:
November 29, 2009 9:42 PM EST
NEW YORK – By a wide margin, Americans consider Rush Limbaugh the nation’s most influential conservative voice.
Those are the results of a poll conducted by “60 Minutes” and Vanity Fair magazine and issued Sunday. The radio host was picked by 26 percent of those who responded, followed by Fox News Channel’s Glenn Beck at 11 percent. Actual politicians – former Vice President Dick Cheney and former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin – were the choice of 10 percent each.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:32 amKeith says: #115
Great article. Thanks for the link.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:32 amIn my opinion I beleive that the plans for the Iraq invasion was planned in the 90’s by all the lunatics at the Project for the New American Century (PNAC). There are just too many unanswered questions, discrepancies and outright falsehoods regarding 9-11. And if Iraq had anything to do with it, then I’m God.
While we are at it, we should confiscate all profits from the war profiteers. How much better would our country be if we actually held these criminals accountable?
November 30th, 2009 at 12:34 amWhy not just airlift Cheney, W, Blair, their families, and their Neocon buddies and drop them in Fallujah to fend for themselves among the survivors and the pollution of Depleted Uranium and other chemical warfare agents. Let them bear the deformed babies if they manage to survive.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:42 amHell yeah, jb! Let’s start with KBR. Faulty electrical wiring in dozens of showers resulting in numerous injuries and, if I remember correctly, around 14 deaths by electrocution. Providing contaminated water for bathing which caused thousands of rashes and other skin maladies. For charging the taxpayers (US Government) $99 for each load of laundry they did for the troops. When the troops started doing their own laundry because KBR was washing the uniforms in contaminated water KBR had ranking officers order the troops not to do their own laundry but, it was mandatory that KBR do the laundry, remember, at $99 a load. Overcharging, rapes, assaults, etc. And this is just one of many corporations in their sadistic lust for money for nothing.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:47 am“And if Iraq had anything to do with it, then I’m God.”
Amazing as it is – or maybe stupefying is the better word – there are still loads of idiots out there who still believe Iraq had something to do with 9/11. I guess all of them should be praying at your altar, Mr. Evil. ;)
November 30th, 2009 at 12:50 amOh, look! It’s the phony dry drunk AWOL Chickenshit in chief and his toy poodle!
November 30th, 2009 at 12:56 amOur military should be performing most if not all of these “services”. Nationalize these treasury busting crooks such as KBR, Blackwater etc. Prosecute, fire or otherwise punish misdeeds and get our spending back under control. Get the profit motive out of our warfare and we’d have more money for other projects and a lot less war.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:57 am@ 11. Gregor Samsa says: Too bad this revelation will change very few minds, if any at all. I am willing to bet the braindead Bush supporters will dust off their claims that Saddam Hussein needed to be “taken out” and that any investigation into the Iraq invasion “emboldens the terrorists”. November 29th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Yes, probably won’t change many minds as most of it was already known, and comes complete with supporters and deniers, etc. This inquiry just puts it on formal stationary, as it were.
I don’t think the world is any the worse off without Saddam Hussein, but it’s certainly worse off because of the method used to remove him. I think we ought to have an investigation here. It’s doubtful it would embolden the terrorists, who already have more than their quota of bold, and it would be seen by a lot of other people as a good thing. If administrations cannot be held accountable for egregious, if not criminal, error, what is the point of being a democracy or a “nation of law”?
November 30th, 2009 at 1:11 amDoes anyone remember GW goofing off for the Press Club dinner-showing slides depicting him(GW) looking for WMD under the rug in the Oval Office?
The caption was,”No WMD here!”
Got a BIG laugh from Rove, David Gregory,et al.
I wondered how funny the soldiers who were wounded- or worse -thoughtthat that “bit” was…
November 30th, 2009 at 1:21 am@ 39. Ape-Man says: There was one and only one Brit who didn’t cower to the Bushies and their convicted felons and goons. what the heck was his name… he deserves a medal if anyone does. November 29th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
That was Robin Cook, who at one point was Blair’s Foreign Secretary, equivalent to our Secretary of State. He had moved on to be the Leader of the House of Commons and resigned in protest at Blair’s decision to follow Bush into Iraq. He died a few years ago (August 2005).
November 30th, 2009 at 1:24 am@ 41. New England Indy says: “stewarjt says: Photo Caption: The master takes his poodle for a walk.” How about. Tony, Stop playing pocket pool and puff up your chest like me. November 29th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
And drag yer knuckles like a proper Anglo-Texan cowbore …
November 30th, 2009 at 1:27 amJane E. Schneider says: #122
I don’t put anything past those numbskull knuckledraggers. I guess I’d better check out ebay for used altars.
November 30th, 2009 at 1:27 am@ 47. Ape-Man says: Ya, Galloway! Thanks Marie. November 29th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
George Galloway was a thorn in Blair’s side, but as a back-bencher, didn’t really have chops. Aside from that, he’s something of a publicity hound. Robin Cook, however, in resigning did what Colin Powell and a few other people over here should have done, and Cook was Labor Party establishment. Cook resigning did more damage to Blair in one day than Galloway did in Blair’s entire term as PM.
November 30th, 2009 at 1:33 am@ 53. Rich H says: Galloway was one and another was murdered (died under questionable circumstances). I can’t recall his name either. November 29th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
That would have been Dr. David Kelly, whose death was eventually ruled a suicide, as I recall, despite the very questionable circumstances. He was a bio-warfare expert who expressed some very public skepticism about the WMD claims in general and the bio-WMDs in particular.
November 30th, 2009 at 1:40 amIn the spirit of Gods and altars, here goes:
“I’ve been helping out with the workhouse nativity play”
“oh of course, how’d it go?”
“Not very well, at the last moment the baby playing Jesus died.”
“oh dear, this high infant mortality rate is the real devil when it comes to staging quality childrens theatre. What did you do?”
“Got ourselves another Jesus.”
“oh, thank goodness, and his name?”
“spot.”
Sorry, watching blackadders christmas carol. Funny stuff.
November 30th, 2009 at 1:41 am@ 74. P.D. says: Wayne@72, LOL! i remember when Bush showed up on the Aircraft Carrier in a BORROWED military uniform and Tweety, aka, Chris Matthews was going on and on how macho he looked! I felt like vomiting on the spot. November 29th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
Second ya on the puke reaction at Tweety’s suck-o-rama.
OTOH, while someone may have made a public relations decision to put the word out that Shrub was in a borrowed flight suit, which is what that was, not a uniform, per se, you can bet that the flight suit was brand new and tailored. The Navy doesn’t miss a trick when it comes to sucking up to the Commander in Chief. They even let him pilot the aircraft he was in for a few minutes (no, they did NOT allow him to fly the carrier landing – that takes more than a year of training, which would have been beyond Shrub’s capacity – he was doing well to get his aircraft on the ground when he was in the TX Air Guard.)
November 30th, 2009 at 1:52 amchimpy:
November 30th, 2009 at 2:00 am
Ape-Man says:
Bush’s response: “OK so what – a couple of fellas make a couple mistakes – it’s not easy – this is hard stuff – it’s not easy being GW or Blair – we have big responsibilities – we have to take care of the big things,….
This is as close to the truth as we can get. Bush and Blair are modern politicians who think of war as just a large video game. I cannot think of any president before Bush that did not have second thoughts about sending men into a war. Even LBJ anguished over sending troops into Vietnam. Bush and Blair have no conscience or shame for sending people to get killed for a lie. I would hope the people in the UK get more incensed than the apathetic public in the US. It is difficult for many people to accept the fact that Bush lied and we know it for a fact. Yet there is no outcry about this horrible mistake. We cannot impeach Bush, but he should be criminally charged and made an example so that a future president will not do this ever again. Let the Republicans scream that it is political.
November 30th, 2009 at 2:02 amEach time a piece of news as this concerning the past comes out I am reminded how cathartic it would be to have one, huge, transparent investigation.
For starters, let’s start with Bush’s election ‘00, then 9/11, Enron, Cheney’s secret energy, the horrific lie justifying our invasion and massacre of Iraq while the the media stirred the hype and put Shock and Awe for all to see on TV. Put PNAC in the mix and a running total of $$$$$$ made by whom and how.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:00 amOT.. but I think you all should read this one
This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the U.S. Department of Energy.
I then took a shower in the clean water provided by a municipal water utility.
After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC-regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like, using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.
I watched this while eating my breakfast of U.S. Department of Agriculture-inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.
At the appropriate time, as regulated by the U.S. Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the U.S. Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration-approved automobile and set out to work on the roads build by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level
determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank.
On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the U.S. Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.
After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and Fire Marshal’s inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.
And then I log on to the internet — which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and b itch on Twitter about how the Government can’t do anything right.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:31 amBlair went along with all this because he wanted to stay in the limelight, to strut on the world stage. And so millions of Iraqis are in exile, Iraqi communities are destroyed, and God knows how many of them are prematurely dead.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:40 amNone of these facts will mean a damn when Blair gets his chance to lie his ass of during his testimony. No matter how much traction this story receives until then, it will all come back to the same pathetic rationales Blair used to sell this con to his citizens; fear, terrorism, patriotism and the unspoken promise of oil for his corporate sponsers. Blair, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz and all the other neo-con artists should all be compelled to testify as to why this insanity was allowed to proceed unfettered by reality, and be forced to face the consequences of their monstrous incompetence.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:00 amre: photo
Is it time to play “brave army men” who decide to send other people’s children off to die in a war based on a lie?
November 30th, 2009 at 8:35 amSorry to go OT, but this was just too delicious:
FBI viewed intel provided by ultra-right radio host Hal Turner as ‘irreplaceable’: report
The keening sound you’ll soon hear, will be the religious fundy whackos, at being betrayed by one of their own – repeatedly.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:56 amGeorge Bush looks so pathetically stupid in a bomber jacket. To see him in military garb makes my stomach turn considering that he was derelict in his duties with the Air Force. It’s a disgrace that he wears any uniform and it is an insult to those of us who did don the uniform and do our duty. What a puke of a man.
November 30th, 2009 at 9:03 amBlair just had to do whatever his war criminal BBuddy told him to do. There was all this domination involved! Round them up and prosecute them. Charge them with war crimes against humanity. Both the idiot and his buttbuddy partner in crime Tony Blair.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:45 pmThe entire greed-assed devil worshiping Bush Family deserves to be nuked out of existence!
Besides the obvious authority of the Hague to prosecute crimes against humanity,
Is there, in international law, a provision to prosecute racketeering / collusion similar to RICO ?
November 30th, 2009 at 12:58 pmGeorge W. Bush looks more and more pathetic with each passing year. How did we allow these gangsters to take over our country? Americans must unite in fighting the Republican and Zionist Criminal Organizations.
One day they will suffer The Christ. And soon.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:11 pm