Washington Times Runs Anti-Obama Birther Ad Featuring Racial Undertones
Washington Times Runs Anti-Obama Birther Ad Featuring Racial Undertones
This latest national edition of the Washington Times features a full-page ad that claims that President Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States. The ad was purchased by the anti-Obama website ProtectOurLiberty.org. While the group has placed several birther ads in the Washington Times in recent months, the version that ran this morning contains far more inflammatory imagery — three monkeys, apparently intended to represent the U.S. Congress, courts, and the media:
The hardly intelligible ad copy claims that under a 60-year-old British law, President Obama is a citizen of Britain and “is currently also a British protected person and/or a British citizen to this day.” The Center for American Progress’ Ian Millhiser points out that if this rule were actually applied to the presidency, every foreign nation would have the power to remove the President of the United States simply by granting the president citizenship.
The website promoted by the ad is run by Charles F. Kerchner, Jr., a plaintiff in a birther lawsuit filed against President Obama in New Jersey.
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Jezuss H. Keerist, those people are flarking IDIOTS!!
November 30th, 2009 at 3:09 pmthat’s putting it mildly Annie
November 30th, 2009 at 3:14 pmAgreed – no knowledge of history, politics, government, or the basics of rational discourse.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:15 pmThe racist righties are just outraged that they lost and will do anything to get back in power at the cost of the entire country.
Reichwinger slogan – Party First…
…we’re 20% of the voting public and we want 100% power, NOW!!!
My slogan – Fcuk the Republic Fascist Party
November 30th, 2009 at 3:16 pmYikes. This is disgraceful, even for the Times.
Birtherism just won’t die. These people are unbalanced as those who think Bush ordered a thermite plasma missle to take out the Pentagon. And that Clinton secretly ran a cocaine trafficking-and-murder ring from the White House.
Here’s hoping the teabaggers keep clinging to this shit. It still has the power to fracture the GOP.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:17 pmthey aren’t even making sense with their analogy..
the 3 monkeys are ’see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil’ – and they are portraying them as congress/courts and media..
so the criticism in effect is.. that their birther movement is evil.. and the various agencies are doing the correct thing and refusing to acknowledge it.
by the analogy they actually discredit themselves.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:18 pmWOW!!!
WTF!?!
November 30th, 2009 at 3:19 pmJust because Obama may be a British citizen does not change his US citizenship. Dual citizenship is allowed by many countries. The only way to lose one of those citizenships is to renounce it. I could have dual citizenship with two other European countries, France and Italy. There are specific requirements to claim dual citizenship with each country despite the fact that I was not born in either country. This is just more of a nonissue.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:23 pmBlind stupidity, it’s the latest fad.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:24 pmThere are no bounds to the idiocy that prevails among the anti-Obama crowd. What is a problem is the media that continues to give them credence. All for selling a buck!
November 30th, 2009 at 3:24 pmHuh. $2870 has been donated to their “cause” so far.
Thus goes the old adage, “A fool and his money are soon parted”
November 30th, 2009 at 3:25 pmSad.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:25 pmWho are we kidding?
The entire birther movement has racial undertones.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:26 pmpags2 says:
Just because Obama may be a British citizen does not change his US citizenship.
That is true, pags. But it’s irrelevant because the President’s alleged “British citizenship” is based on the false claim that he was not born in Hawaii.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:27 pm60-year-old British law
Why do Republicans hate the American rule of law so much? Why do they think America should bow down to the laws of other nations? Were they born hating America, or were they just raised to hate America?
November 30th, 2009 at 3:27 pm@11 – they always seem to be happy to part with that money for inane and classless things like this. But ask for money to send sick kids to the doctor or to have the roads paved or to add more police to their city and by God! We have to have a tea(bagger) party!
November 30th, 2009 at 3:28 pmi officially declare myself to be part of an “-er” group.
i am a “facepalmer”!
November 30th, 2009 at 3:28 pmWhoever let this slip by should be fired. This kind of crap would never happen with Bush, Hell, if you showed up in an anti-Bush t-shirt anywhere he was scheduled to speak, they would toss you out on your ass. This President has been maligned, called an alien, Socialist, Marxist, commie for God’s sake. This has got to stop.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:28 pmThese idiots are suing everyone.
Dick Cheney is defendant #17
link
November 30th, 2009 at 3:30 pmThe insanity will continue and worsen as the 20% crowd becomes more marginalized by their craziness. As our country moves towards rationality, they will become more incensed, more rabid. When health care passes and as the stimulus effect becomes more noticeable, they will ramp up their cries of fear.
This is far from over.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:30 pmnice to see the debacle known as the 43rd president has finally found work…posing for pictures for some crappy ad run in the “moonie times”
November 30th, 2009 at 3:31 pmThis is just one of those frivilous lawsuits the right is always whining about.
Funny that when the truth comes out, it’s always the right abusing the system.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:32 pmAs truly absurd as it may be–what is the birther movement argument about Obama’s mother? Why does she not qualify him as a natural born citizen? Again, I recognize how it is going to a scary place asking….
November 30th, 2009 at 3:35 pmDamned librul media.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:37 pm@19, please tell me the judge is going to throw this right out the damn door.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:37 pmWhen it is, it is. The problem with racists like yourself is that you lack the ability to recognize it.
Do you ever have a cognitive thought?
November 30th, 2009 at 3:37 pmolby sucks,
not unless we’re talking about a “race” against your minus-one trick pony.
ah, make that minus-two.
you’re falling behind!
quick, vote it down!
:/
November 30th, 2009 at 3:38 pmOTSL,
Why not ask the bigoted jackasses that made the ad?
November 30th, 2009 at 3:38 pmdargumedo, what’s scary about the fact that Obama has proven his birthright to everyone that every previous president has proven his to and it passed muster?
November 30th, 2009 at 3:39 pmMust be a slow day for Washington Times to revisit the birther garbage of Obama’s citizenship and to add insult to injury, Washington Times runs the ad with racial undertones. Washington Times is certainly showing which side that they are on and their lack of fairness and checks and balances in journalism. Disgraceful. Pass the popcorn please…
November 30th, 2009 at 3:40 pmOSTL says:
“Is everything about race?”
for teabagging terrorists such as yourself, yes.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:40 pmAllYouNeedIs says:
@11 – they always seem to be happy to part with that money for inane and classless things like this. But ask for money to send sick kids to the doctor or to have the roads paved or to add more police to their city and by God!
The other day I saw an episode of The Family Guy in which Lois ran for Mayor and won, but needed money to implement her agenda, which was to clean up a lake that had been dumped full of toxic waste.
Before the words, “Small increase in taxes needed” were out of her mouth a total hullabaloo broke out, “Anything but more taxes!” they all yelled, so she stops and says, “The terrorists!” and they start throwing money at her wanting to know if she needed more.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:41 pmOTSL, if the pointy hat fits…
November 30th, 2009 at 3:41 pmHopefully this guy will end up with a $20K fine like Orly Taitz did.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:42 pmThe comedy just writes itself.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:42 pmEnnuiDivine -
As far as the thermite… we have several chunks of it from the trade center dust. I’ve watched them take bits of it and set it on fire.. and watched it’s chemical reaction. This chemical is detected in the dust of the all the towers.
No one stated there was a ‘thermite missile’ that hit the Pentagon… when the truth is hidden from you, wild rumors will occur. They will not show us any footage from the plane hitting the Pentagon… when they won’t show you something such as this.. especially as rumors go wild, and especially when they’ve had two government commissions studying the events of a national criminal event of this magnitude, especially when people have filed FOIA requests for the footage – and they return 4 frames of the video from one camera – yes, something is up. Why they don’t want us to see it – couldn’t tell you.. but it’s clear they are hiding something.
When a plane goes down – and leaves a chunk of the engine miles away… and the witnesses claim it was shot down – yet the government insists otherwise.. then Rumsfeld comes out and by slip of the tongue admits it.
Or Larry Silverstein.. the guy who just 2 monthes previous took over a 99 year lease of the towers which until then were owned explicitly by the state of New York.. when he says that they decided to pull the building..
when things like this – plus 100’s of others – point to the official story being a lie.. then, you simply have to consider the fact that maybe we have been lied to.
And when you consider the fact that our government has done these types of things throughout our history.. when you learn about the Kennedy assassination.. and Robert Kennedy as well.. etc. etc. well, that only makes it that much easier to understand.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:43 pmIronic you talk about free speech because you try to silence any attempts to call out race-baiting by falling back to the right’s colorblind ideology, which co-opts MLK into silencing any discussion on institutional racism that allows racism to be dismissed with a cavalier claim that we are past racism.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:43 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
if they really wanted to scare people, they should have included a picture of ugly-assed oily taint in their ad.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:43 pmIs everything about race?
No. Sometimes its about people being proud of stupid.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:44 pmOSTL says:
“Is calling steele or j. williams “token negros” or “uncle tom” or much worse “racist?”
why are you bringing what lardass limpballs says into the conversation?
November 30th, 2009 at 3:45 pmSure. Now STFU.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:46 pmOSTL says:
So you’re claiming that the first amendment gives you the right to spit on the graves of our founding fathers by demanding that America bow down to the British?
I suppose you think our troops should be sent to England to be the Queen’s dog-walkers, don’t you?
November 30th, 2009 at 3:46 pmolby sucks,
yes!
free speech rocks!
by the way, congratulations on your marriage to keith olbermann!
November 30th, 2009 at 3:47 pmIsn’t free speech a wondeful thing? ;)
Certainly because if it wasn’t free, no sane person would pay to listen to you.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:48 pmFree speech is indeed a “wondeful” (sic) thing, troll. It allows those of us who think to express responsible opinions, and it allows those of you who don’t to identify yourselves as such.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:48 pmOh they know they’re racists Fred. They’re just so amused by it that they giggle when called out on it and act enraged just to protect themselves from getting their butts kicked.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:49 pmIncorrect. It is owned by Sun Yung Moon.
Murdock’s print organs include the NY Post and the once-venerable Wall St Journal.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:50 pmyou automatically lose 25 IQ points for engaging in this dumb as hell “argument”.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:50 pmmaxamillion says:
Washington Times is owned by Rupert Murdock correct??
It’s “owned and influenced by Rev. Sun Myung Moon’s Unification Church.” Are you familiar with the Moonies?
Opposition to constitutional democracy is a theological premise of The Divine Principle, the basic text of Unificationism. Moon’s speeches are riddled with contempt for “American-style democracy,” which he denigrates as “a good nursery for the growth of Communism.” “We must have an automatic theocracy to rule the world,” Moon has declared.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:51 pmDoes the ad explain what their ultimate goal is?
Do they think this is a credible way of removing him from office?
And even if it did, that doesn’t hand the Presidency to John McCain. Constitutionally, Biden would become President.
Is THAT their goal? ANY white guy is better than a black President? Try to argue otherwise without sounding racist.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:51 pmFree Speech is a wonderful thing. Especially when the whackadoos pay to exercise it in their ads.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:51 pmBill Maher got it right. This is a stupid country.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:51 pmthis whole “birther” movement proves
November 30th, 2009 at 3:52 pma)cancervatives have lost their fcuking minds over losing both parts of the house and the presidency
and
b)there’s nothing left of their crappy, marginalized, regionalized party except freaks.
Yes it is for you anti-American teabagging conservative filth.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:52 pmMary, I’m sorry I missed the episode. Family Guy isn’t exactly high class (hey, it’s a cartoon, right?), but it certainly has its moments.
And how self-unaware are these folks if they think images of chimps don’t have racial overtones to them….
November 30th, 2009 at 3:53 pmShould Republicans be forced to return to school? And stay awake?
Should they be forced to take highly controlled tests to make sure they understand the material?
Should mental competency tests be required of Republicans? If you call yourself a Republican, aren’t you kind of admitting you’re not very bright? Maybe you suffer from emotional trauma caused by being around dim-witted parents? Do you suffer from the “Tough-Guy” Syndrome, where you never have to say you’re sorry or admit you made a mistake or had a stupid opinion? Do you think that people who never served in Iraq shouldn’t have an opnion? Maybe not a vote?
Don’t you think it’s better to admit you’re stupid than to have people think you’re a lunatic? Do you remember anything your Sunday School teacher told you? Do strangers offer you free downers? Are you afraid of smart people? Do you think The Grand Ol Opre is the real deal? Do you have three cousins named Festus? Do you miss working on the still?
There’s no point in living your life in ignorance.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:55 pmLux,
I don’t spend time debating truthers. I still firmly believe that our government was too lazy/incompetant to pull off the attacks. And that they just benefited an inordinate amount from it.
That, and the wealth of foreign intelligence implicating al-Qaeda, and the confessions of al-Qaeda members, disprove the whole “false-flag” thing.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:55 pmHey, Osty, pointing out that Michael Steele is being used as a token black by his racist Republican masters is not racist.
The Republicans parading Michael Steele around as the sole black voice in their party – while they give him no real power or clout, on the other hand, is.
See the diff?
November 30th, 2009 at 3:56 pmThe intent with the ad is to de-legitimize Obama as President, thereby allowing some “super-patriot” the necessary rationale to justify his assassination.
Statistically speaking, there must be more than a few that would love to go down in history as the one who killed Obama. And, with the snafu at the White House event last week, is the Secret Service up to the task?
November 30th, 2009 at 3:57 pmOSTL,
If you may be serious for a second:
Is our president a citizen of the United States of America?
(This is a yes or no question)
I thank you in advance.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:57 pm“We must have an automatic theocracy to rule the world,”
Not sure of the accuracy of this. I think autocratic is more appropriate. Methinks all these fundy type religions are wetting their dydies because they are losing their game.
It is a terrible thing when burn in hell loses its pizazz.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:58 pmWashington Times is owned by North Korean monster Rev. Sun Myung Moon–the man who thinks he’s the second coming of Jesus.
The Wash. Times is often referred to as “Moonie Times”.
Many government officials have taken money from Moon’s organization–mostly republicans.
The Wash. Times is preferably used for training puppies, lining budgie cages, and wrapping fish.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:59 pmConsidering recent flaps, could anyone possibly run a monkey ad and plausibly deny a racist intent ?
And as the ad straight out says Obama is not an Article II Natural Born Citizen, could any sort of legal remedy be applied for intentional lying ?
November 30th, 2009 at 3:59 pmNeat, a bunch of quotes without attribution on a website where right wing Fox-loving trolls have been repeatedly caught trying to post inflammatory remarks as false flags.
Got anything else, dumb dumb?
November 30th, 2009 at 4:01 pmSo in another desperate attempt to derail the thread, our sad little friend OlbySucks is reduced to culling comment threads from an entirely different website to use as “evidence” that TPers are racist.
Here’s a hint, OlbySucks: simply recognizing that different races exist and are somehow subjected to different treatment based on their skin color or physical features is not racist.
Assuming that one’s race determines one’s character IS racist.
Now let’s FnF this idiot troll.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:01 pmOSTL says:
“From newshounds.”
hey stupid, not to point out the obvious but you’re on ThinkProgress. care to link where “the locals” here said such things?
November 30th, 2009 at 4:02 pmfrom your anus you mean.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:03 pmIf this is true what a blow it will be for Michaele and Tareq Salahi, right?
On the other hand, maybe all those folks who contributed all that dough to the Obama campaign thinking he really meant what he said about changing things in Washington can get their money back.
And if Obama is forced to step down, who gets the nod, Clinton or McCain.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:04 pmReally. Go ask the regulars there.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:04 pmToday’s Republican viewpoint:
1. Put healthcare aside so we can focus on Afghanistan.
2. Use spare time to “prove” President Obama is not a citizen of the United States, even though every legal indicator says he is.
Gotta love the pubbies.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:04 pmThis ‘Birther’ crap is getting old. Already, Orly(Whack-job)Taitz has been discredited by pretty much everyone. Even Billo called her out for the loon she is. Orly and her ilk should crawl back under the rock from whence they came.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:05 pmHoodathunk says:
“We must have an automatic theocracy to rule the world,”
Not sure of the accuracy of this. I think autocratic is more appropriate.
I was wondering about that too – I bet you are correct. Same link from Fair.org:
Former top UC official Steve Hassan believes that the Washington Times is a “Trojan horse” within the conservative movement. Hassan told EXTRA!, “Conservative politics is glad to have a voice through the Times, but ultimately it has nothing to do with conservatism. It has to do with fascism.”
November 30th, 2009 at 4:07 pmEnnuidivine.. you realize
1) the CIA/FBI creates their own ‘wealth of evidence’ – they are in that line of work.
2) al Qaeda claims credit for every terrorist act that happens ANYWHERE.. and yes, even the ones they had nothing at all to do with. – this seems to be in their interest since it makes them look more powerful than they are… we also have known faked videos of Al Qaeda.. and videos which have been examined and revealed to have incorrect translations of what’s being said.
You do realize that the suspects confess to anything that we charge them with, whether they’ve done it or not. They don’t even expect a fair trial first off — so they just plead guilty immediately without even asking for any representation.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:07 pmOSTL@78, ‘Smear’ Birthers? Are you kidding? A group that uses images of monkeys and white hot rhetoric? Man, you truly are a Neanderthal.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:08 pmOSTL says:
“Which is precisely what the author of this post did to smear supposed “birthers.””
no one needs to “smear” the birthers. all you need to do is listen to any interview of oily taint (other than when she’s on pox news”) to know it’s headed by a psychotic nit-wit
November 30th, 2009 at 4:09 pmthis country will reek of the bush presidency for decades.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:09 pm“Conservative politics is glad to have a voice through the Times, but ultimately it has nothing to do with conservatism. It has to do with fascism.”
These days, there’s almost no difference.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:10 pmExcept they are right and you as usual are wrong.
Takes a racist to defend one.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:10 pmmaximillion – go to Google, type in “Washington Times owned by” and check out what happens – the comment that you made at #40 pops up 8th in a search of the web! That sure didn’t take long! Kind of scary.
(It wasn’t there at all on my first search and was 9th on my second search.)
November 30th, 2009 at 4:11 pmralph the wonder llama says:
pags2 says:
Just because Obama may be a British citizen does not change his US citizenship.
That is true, pags. But it’s irrelevant because the President’s alleged “British citizenship” is based on the false claim that he was not born in Hawaii.
Citizenship is based on jus sanguinis and/or jus solis. Even if Obama was born in Kenya he would still be a citizen because his mother was a US citizen. Jus sanguinis is citizenship by the blood line (ancestry). The jus solis confers citizenship by reason of being born in the territory of a country. The US as well as many other countries follow both citizenship laws.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:11 pmOT
I hope that TP posts the latest on the Huckster and the accused shooter of the Wash. police officers Maurice Clemmons saga. The Huckster certainly wears his religion on his sleeves when it comes to judgement in the criminal justice system. Clemmons wrote to Huckster in his clemency application and said the he was a changed man:
“I succumbed to the peer pressure and the need I had to be accepted by other youth in my new environment and fell in with the wrong crowd and thus began a seven (7) month crime spree which led me to prison,” Clemmons wrote in his application to Huckabee.
Clemmons said he came from “a very good Christian family” and “was raised much better than my actions speak (I’m still ashamed to this day for the shame my stupid involvement in these crimes brought to my family name.),” he wrote.
“Where once stood a young (16) year old misguided fool, who’s (sic) own life he was unable to rule. Now stands a 27 year old man, who has learned through ‘the school of hard knocks’ to appreciate and respect the rights of others. And who has in the midst of the harsh reality of prison life developed the necessary skills to stand along (sic) and not follow a multitude of do evil, as I did as a 16 year old child.”
Clemmons added that his mother had recently died without seeing him turn his life around and that he prayed Huckabee would show compassion by releasing him.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010389064_webclemency01m.html
Huckster can’t use the “my dog ate me homework” excuse for this one. The Huckster’s chances for President in 2012 is completely on life support. The Rev. is hosed and another nail in the GOP coffin. Huckster would have never thought in his wildest dream that his decision to give Clemmons clemeby would come back to haunt him. You reap what you sow.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:11 pmI’m sorry OSBL, but maybe I’m blind.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:12 pmDid you answer my simple question at #65?
thank you for reading TP and newshounds, olby sucks!
always knew you were a liberal!
:A
November 30th, 2009 at 4:15 pmmy favorite interview of oily taint was the one where david schuster and tamron hall went up one side of her and down the other. all that crazy beyotch could do is still there like a psychotic bleached blonde deer in the headlights:
November 30th, 2009 at 4:15 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdqo9HPP-kU
That’s good information, pags, and I appreciate it but still, doesn’t the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii eliminate the claim of British citizenship?
Or is it somehow based on the citizenship of his father?
November 30th, 2009 at 4:15 pmSmearing birthers? Just how does one go about smearing a smear?
November 30th, 2009 at 4:15 pmPurple State, I know you were only needling Mr. Sucks, but please don’t demean the liberal movement by associating it with that odious troll. The joke is not worth it.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:17 pmStill don’t have any names of “liberals” who made those quotes, huh? Nothing to show us that they’re regular ol’ lefties and not right wing fox fans?
Say, you used to post at Newshounds, didn’t you, Jeffy?
You’ve been known to lie, smear and sockpuppet. And we know you’re a racist. You’ve proven it repeatedly.
Since you hate black people and you hate everyone to the left of Michael Weiner Savage, odds are you posted those comments.
Now go cry into your KKKlan hood.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:17 pmCome on, OSTL, that was lame. Even for you.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:19 pmYou can’t even remember who your talking to. I said you pulled it out of your ass. LOL
Get some sleep. Get off the crank. Come back and see us sometime.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:21 pmNo, what’s really pathetic is a troll spouting gibberish on a progressive blog. Shirley you can come up with some shiny squirrelish bit of distraction to earn your nickle today.
And yes, I called you Shirley.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:22 pmhow quaint, little ostl is offended OFFENDED i say about the comment of one moron at newshounds but is suspiciously silent on the daily hatefest over at freeperville and red state and angry trannie annie coulter.com…
November 30th, 2009 at 4:22 pmok, if ostl doesn’t want to talk about the racism at the wash times, I suggest we implement operation ignore.
It’s getting old letting trash like this run the show.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:23 pmNovember 30th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
How weak an argument must you have to be forced to resort to pretending that an anonymous poster on a random blog carries the same moral authority for the left as the Washington Times does for the right?
Frankly, I’m surprised that our sad little troll is even capable of recognizing how weak an argument he is being paid to defend.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:25 pmHood, LOL! OSTL is hopeless AND lame.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:25 pmUmmmm OSTL,
November 30th, 2009 at 4:26 pmCan you not answer the question?
ooh! ooh!
my turn to change the subject, olby sucks!
let’s talk about hamburgers!
they opened up a sonic nearby. ain’t that cool?
:D
November 30th, 2009 at 4:27 pm@105, LOL! It’s ALL about you, huh? No wonder you love Sarah Palin. You two have a lot in common. No intelligence and an ego problem.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:27 pmsmells like piss in here.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:28 pmyou’re not keeping up, olby!
must be that minus-two trick pony you’re riding on.
faster, seabiscuit!
:/
November 30th, 2009 at 4:30 pmadama50 = OSTL
November 30th, 2009 at 4:30 pmralph the wonder llama says:
That’s good information, pags, and I appreciate it but still, doesn’t the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii eliminate the claim of British citizenship?
Or is it somehow based on the citizenship of his father?
Yes, the fact that he was born in Hawaii makes him a US citizen via the US Constitution. But his father had British citizenship so Obama can claim dual citizenship. If Obama was born in Kenya the result would still be the same under US law.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:31 pmHis mother was a US citizen so he could be born anywhere in the world or on the moon and still be a US citizen.
@116, Now you are getting boring.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:34 pmPssst, OSTL.
Is our President a United States citizen, or is he NOT!
Rather simple question (is it not?), which IS related to the topic thread.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:34 pmOSTL talks about whatever rodent catches his fancy at the moment and we all get to either chuckle or feel sorry for him.
It must be sad to not be able to understand a chimp ad. Maybe if one of them was wearing a flight suit and cod piece?
November 30th, 2009 at 4:35 pmGotcha.
But wouldn’t Obama have had to claim dual citizenship at some point upon attaining the age of majority? Or maybe before?
I don’t think he is considered a citizen by the government of the United Kingdom without such a declaration, is he?
November 30th, 2009 at 4:36 pmDual citizenship must be applied for and it is not exactly a simple process. And in every situation I am aware of, US citizenship trumps all others.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:38 pmOh, and while you’re formulating your answer to my rather simple question, why do you insist on using a question mark after “Next”?
If you’re so sure of your facts and are pleased, wouldn’t you use an exclamation point?
As in, ‘I’ve just totally pwn’d you, and am now taking on the next victim. Next!’
Adding a question after “Next” actually makes you appear unsure and almost cowardly.
Just trying to help you out, little buddy.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:39 pmNo need to thank me.
Next?
November 30th, 2009 at 4:40 pm—-
So what’s up poser?
ralph the wonder llama says:
But wouldn’t Obama have had to claim dual citizenship at some point upon attaining the age of majority? Or maybe before?
I don’t think he is considered a citizen by the government of the United Kingdom without such a declaration, is he?
No, you do not have to actually declare dual citizenship. Israel has automatic dual citizenship. I don’t know what the UK law is on the issue. But France and Italy allows me to claim dual citizenship at any time. My grandfather was an Italian citizen who was born in France and fought in WWI with the French. I can claim French and Italian citizenship at any time because there is no time limitation.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:41 pm— three monkeys, apparently intended to represent the U.S. Congress, courts, and the media
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Sorry, but I can’t let this pass without comment. The primates depicted in the ad are chimpanzees – our fellow members of the Hominidae family. They’re certainly not monkeys, which belong to either the superfamily Cercopithecoidea or the parvorder Platyrrhini, depending on whether they’re Old World or New World monkeys.
What family/suborder birthers belong to is a different question entirely, and has yet to be answered by evolutionary science.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:42 pmShirley, are you offended that all of the chimps in the ad are nekkid?
November 30th, 2009 at 4:43 pmpags2, by your own post, you have to claim your dual citizenship. It isn’t automatic. Except maybe in Israel, which is sort of the 51st state anyway.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:45 pmIs it just me or is it weird just how much the birthers hate the idea of Obama having been born with possible duel citizenship thanks to his father?
After all both George Washington’s parents went from cradle to grave as loyal Britains.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:48 pmOSBL wants us to address the racism of one commenter at some other site while he defends the racism of the ad discussed in this thread. FLAG HIM FOR OT SPAMMING AND RACISM.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:48 pmHoodathunk says:
pags2, by your own post, you have to claim your dual citizenship. It isn’t automatic. Except maybe in Israel, which is sort of the 51st state anyway.
Claiming is pro forma which means all I have to do is fill out forms with the appropriate birth certificate for my grandfather. The citizenship papers would issue upon confirmation of the veracity of the documents.
Israel has automatic dual citizenship for any Jews. There have been instances of American Jews who entered the country and were drafted after they stepped off the plane. It did not go well with American Jews.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:49 pmIt just hit me. The Constitution talks about US citizenship as a requirement for the Presidency. Looking it over, there is nothing said about the possibility of dual citizenship. So, even if this silliness could be shown to be possible…so what?
President Obama is entitled to US citizenship by the fact his mother was a US citizen and he was born in the US. If he is eligible for dual citizenship, big whoop.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:53 pmOSTL says
I’m waiting for you to answer my rather simple question. That’s what’s “next.”
In case you have some serious short term memory lose, I will pose it ONCE AGAIN.
Is PRESIDENT Obama a citizen of the good ol’ USA???
November 30th, 2009 at 4:53 pmI agree, pags2 but you have to fill out the forms and ask. This ridiculous ad says differently. The birthers are getting desperate.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:55 pmcd says:
After all both George Washington’s parents went from cradle to grave as loyal Britains.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
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Good point. In fact, eight of our first ten Presidents were not born in the United States. The first legitimate President, by birther logic, was Martin Van Buren, born in 1782. If you want to extend the definition of citizenship to having been born in the United States as governed by the Constitution, the first real President was John Tyler, born 1790.
If you want to extend the definition to post
November 30th, 2009 at 4:56 pmHoodathunk says:
I agree, pags2 but you have to fill out the forms and ask. This ridiculous ad says differently. The birthers are getting desperate.
The birthers are grasping for straws that don’t exist.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:57 pmOSTL says:
“adama50″ is me.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
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Your words, chuckles. Your words.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:58 pmOMG! Run for the hills! The US was founded by a bunch of foreigners!
November 30th, 2009 at 4:59 pmLeftside Annie, flarking is my favorite new word.
re the article, the Times is disgraceful.
November 30th, 2009 at 5:00 pmi’m sorry, but could we just let OSTL rant. i’ve been coming here for a while so i’m familiar with the garbage he posts here. non of it ever has any relevance at all and we’re all wasting our time responding to him. i realize he’s such an easy target, but he’s only seeking to legitimize himself through negative reinforcement. maybe if we can get him to turn his energy elsewhere, he’ll end up creating something positive. just a thought.
much respect,
mr. rove
p.s. OSTL shut the hell up. your ignorance is hurting my brain.
November 30th, 2009 at 5:01 pmCan we see Trig’s birth certificate?
November 30th, 2009 at 5:03 pmI’m waiting for you to prove that “adama50″ is me. That’s what’s “next.”
November 30th, 2009 at 5:05 pm—
Why do you want me to that? I am more amused by toying with your lame poser negative attention seeking no true principles ass
Orly Taitz the moron Dentist Lawyer who has represented at least 5 people in suits about Obama’s birth was recently fined 20k by a judge for her big mouth and the spread of lies…SCOTUS last year even refused to hear a case that made its way to their court saying that it is total nonsense.
One of the things that amazes me about the rag Washington Times is that they are allowed into the daily press briefings at the Whitehouse.
The Washington Times is a sick a joke on America as is Newsmax, neither of which are concerned with facts or truths and both spread hate against the President of the United States…
November 30th, 2009 at 5:06 pmHoodathunk says:
Smearing birthers? Just how does one go about smearing a smear?
Well, have you ever stepped in dog shit? At first, you try and get it off by scrapping it along the grass. Then, you look and see how you did. Then you scrape again, and again. Eventually you have dog shit in all the little crevices in the sole of your shoe and you have smeared the smear all over the grass.
November 30th, 2009 at 5:08 pmThanks tosterhead.
BTW I would be concerned that Britians might confuse the teabaggers for normal Americans but they know who Americans elected President.
November 30th, 2009 at 5:17 pmlivelongandprosper, thank you for the graphic description. I’m sure that Shirley could understand it. Especially since she wears those lugged sole boots.
November 30th, 2009 at 5:24 pmAm I right in surmizing that according to OSTL, that Timothy McVeigh, as he killed folks, is / was black and born in Zimbabwe ?
November 30th, 2009 at 5:58 pmOSTL doesn’t believe anything OSTL posts. It is just a weird attention thing. Pitiful yes but sincere? No way…
November 30th, 2009 at 6:11 pmBoycott their advertisers….GM ( Cadillac), WalMart and AllState are a few.
It works!
November 30th, 2009 at 6:13 pmThey are not Christians… read…………..”Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
John 8:32
November 30th, 2009 at 6:25 pmHoodathunk says:
livelongandprosper, thank you for the graphic description. I’m sure that Shirley could understand it. Especially since she wears those lugged sole boots
I’m speaking from experience. I have two dogs and have stepped in it two many times to count.
November 30th, 2009 at 6:28 pmThat should be ‘too many’. Step in shit, type like shit.
November 30th, 2009 at 6:37 pmI know where you’re coming from. It does make good preparation for dealing with trolls, doesn’t it?
November 30th, 2009 at 6:37 pmOSTL says:
From newshounds.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
This ain’t Newshounds, butt munch.
November 30th, 2009 at 6:54 pmteatards:
low class and totally useless
November 30th, 2009 at 7:06 pmYou have to look at the motivations of the majority of the birthers to understand why they simply cannot “let go”. Fundamentally, it comes down to the following mindset: “I cannot accept THAT man in the White House because…. (fill in the blank).”
Just about ANY reason will do — any excuse that will legitimize their race-based outrage. If it wasn’t about a birth certificate, it would be about his middle name. (He’s a closet Muslim, you know.)
In addition, there are a handful of unscrupulous politicians and pundits who, although not necessarily racist themselves, have no problem capitalizing on the bigotry of others by fueling their fear and hatred of Obama in order to score political points or further a personal agenda.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:59 pmNo this ad is openly RACIST! These people are a bunch of racist who can’t stand a black man being President and that’s all there is to it.
November 30th, 2009 at 9:18 pmTake poop (A) generated by Birthers and the like; place waste (A) into the Washington Times (B), roll up B and put in the garbage.
November 30th, 2009 at 9:24 pmOSTL and Lux have bulbs that are dimming ever so rapidly.
November 30th, 2009 at 9:40 pmThis is a letter that I wrote to the Washington Times. People write to them, and write often. I am excited to write this one. yourletters@washingtontimes.com
To Whom it May Concern,
I am a proud United States Citizen, proud voter, former military brat… I live in Southern California and read VARIOUS news sources. I came across an advertisement in your latest edition of a President Obama ad being not eligible to being our president. Now I KNOW that your organization has the right to free speech, as do your sponsors, I was very VERY upset to find that within this advertisement, there were chimpanzees/monkeys on the advertisement. As far back as I know from when I was a child, monkeys were used to portray African American or persons from African descent in a negative almost stereotypical light. I find this to be extremely offensive to me but my African American friends and colleagues. I showed some of my Caucasian friends and they were even appalled. I cannot begin to express my discontent toward your organization. HOW ARE WE TO ADVANCE and PROGRESS AMERICA and show ONE NATION UNDER GOD if advertisements such as this only REGRESSES the ADVANCEMENT of AMERICA and its CITIZENS??? Obviously your organization does not adhere to simple CORE American Values. This is undermining America. I will officially ban your organization as a reputable news source. I think that your organization are cowards and has absolutely NO COMMON DECENCY for an individual, whether it be the President or NOT.
I’m disgusted and outraged!!!,
Erica
November 30th, 2009 at 9:50 pm27, Southern California
A Birther comes home early one day from work, hangs up his coat, takes off his hat and walks into his bedroom. “Honey, I’m home!” he says as he sees a black man in bed with his wife. Infuriated, he rushes to the dresser, pulls out his gun from the top drawer and puts it to his head. His wife laughs. “Don’t laugh!” he screams. “You’re next!”
November 30th, 2009 at 10:14 pmQ: How do you start a Birther parade?
A: Roll a few cans of Skoal down the street.
Q: What did the Birther girl say while having sex?
November 30th, 2009 at 10:14 pmA: Get off me Dad, you’re crushing my smokes
Q: What’s the difference between UFOs and a Birther with a college degree?
A: UFOs have been spotted.
Q: How do you hide something from a Birther?
November 30th, 2009 at 10:15 pmA: Put it in a textbook.
Q. Why wouldn’t the Birther Dad let his twelve year old daughter smoke at the table?
A. It would set a bad example for their kids.
Q. How can you tell you’re at a Birther Junior Prom?
November 30th, 2009 at 10:17 pmA. It has day care.
Okay, for the birthers, perhaps you could tell me difference in why one man is eligible to be president and the other is not. Would this be an issue if Sen. McCain had won the election?
We have Sen. John McCain. Who was born in Panama, NOT the United States. Which according to your own arguments would have disqualified him from becoming President.
No, serving in any branch of the military does not prove citizenship, non citizens have and currently do serve in our armed forces. Citizenship is not a requirement.
We have President Barack Obama. Who was born in Hawaii, which IS one of the 50 states of the United States.
The mother of both men were and always has been a citizen of the United States, which would make their offspring regardless of where on the planet they are born, NATURAL BORN CITIZENS of the United States.
If place of birth is your argument, you picked the wrong guy to attack. The only things that I can think of that would move so many ignorant folk so deeply would be one or all of the following:
1. The President’s father is not Christian but instead is Muslim.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:23 pm2. The President’s father is a black man.
3. The President is a member of the Democrat party.
Hawaii does not have a “long form” birth certificate. Would it make everyone happy if they spent millions and developed one just for this one instance? I’m willing to bet that even if they did so, this issue would not go away as there will still be this same group crying out that Hawaii lied, as they are claiming now.
Already the state finances are so bad they are cutting the length and amount of days public school days.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:12 pmSpeaking of the Washington Times, I feel nostalgic for the 2004 Sun Myung Moon Congressional Coronation. Those were the days. And those free enterprisers at the Washington Times run a competitive enterprise with no sweetheart funding. It’s all based on the market, and making such a fine product. Capitalism at its finest.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:43 amRe: maxamillion @ 40:
The Washington Times is the house organ of the Unification Church, aka the Moonies.
December 1st, 2009 at 1:18 amI’d be a bit more careful in decrying the monkey imagery as having “racial undertones”. Notice the allegation is in the headline, but the article itself (correctly) doesn’t have the courage to articulate the charge. The monkey-equals-black-person-equals-racism formulation is not completely implausible, of course; but context and usage of the image is important. Here, the monkeys represent Congress, the courts, and the media — the allegation of racism seems a stretch, and one the article does not and cannot make.
As one who enjoyed the cartoon images of a simian or simian-like George W. Bush, I caution a bit of judiciousness and fair-play when it comes to assessing even something as obviously dumb-ass as some thing from the birthers.
December 1st, 2009 at 1:48 am#167 Dear Tracy Five Cheetos Fingers,
Take that up with Hawaii. Your business seems to be with the State. Are you suggesting ANYONE born in Hawaii that can not produce a “long form” be declared no longer an American?
But that would require you to hang your hat on facts…
… Which you do not do.
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December 1st, 2009 at 2:54 ammbjesq,
They could have used donkeys… NO?
… Oh, THAT would have appeared too “PARTISAN”, YES?
O.K. then, please do tell…
… Name one white man that was equated to monkeys/gorillas because of his race. Sorry. FAIL!
But then again…
… An ad does depend on stirring the pot a bit.
But which kettle are they reaching for?
.
December 1st, 2009 at 3:01 am.
Birthers…
… Do they even celebrate the birth of Hawaii?
Hawaii just finished their 50th Anniversary of Statehood.
http://hawaii.gov/statehood/history
December 1st, 2009 at 4:08 am
So sad to see the lowbrow hate….
December 1st, 2009 at 4:08 amOnly a person with a racist worldview would view this ad as racist. How is it racist? Because of the monkeys? I am sorry but it is racist to think monkeys are a negative description of blacks. After all, isn’t that what evolution is all about? All races, all man, have evolved from monkeys. Isn’t congress mostly all non-black? The courts? Yes, the prez is black however the monkeys are not to describe him singularly but all three branches as not using their evolved intelligence and are still “unevolved”
Only a person with a worldview that all whites must hate non-whites is racist. And every opinion different from the loudest black consensus must be from a racist.
The ad does not add up to anything near being racist.
December 1st, 2009 at 8:44 amDecember 1st, 2009 at 9:18 am
Eight US presidents were not born in the United States. I wonder what the birthers think of that?
December 1st, 2009 at 9:24 amI don’t want to nit pick, but these animals are apes, not monkeys. Apes are large, generally human-sized animals with no tails (think Orangutans, Gorillas, and Chimpanzees –which these are).
Monkeys are small little things with tails (think Ross’s pet in the first year or so of “Friends”).
People always confuse the two, and if we’re going to assume that there is a racial overtone to this ad, we should be accurate and point out that the racial stereotype is the comparison of African Americans as apes, not monkeys.
December 1st, 2009 at 9:29 amThis is not a racist ad, it simply shows the three monkeys potrayed in the very popular: see no evil, hear no evil, and speak no evil…you guys are race-a-phobs…get it?
December 1st, 2009 at 10:13 amWell if they want to waste their money why stand in the way of their stupidity.
December 1st, 2009 at 10:17 amYour title claims “racial undertones.” Your article does not mention that claim. Sounds like you’re attempting a smear, by mentioning something heinous that you’re not even willing to mention again, let alone support or argue.
Could that possibly be because the claim that there exist racial undertones is based on the specious observation that there are monkeys in the picture — even though the monkeys are clearly labelled “Congress,” “Courts,” and “Media?”
Is it not more accurate to say that YOU are racist, in that YOU seem to associate monkeys with blacks, even when it’s clear that they don’t refer to anything racial?
December 1st, 2009 at 12:34 pmSorry….Rev Moon owns the Washington Times. Murdock owns thw Washington Post. Either way they both hate Black People!!!
December 1st, 2009 at 3:48 pmWow!!!
First of all… I do not take this as ‘racist’ because like other have noted… the monkey are “Hear, See and Speak.
But it is obvious.. that high school government or whatever they call it today… does not TEACH THE CONSTITUTION.
Obama as a DUAL CITIZEN DOES not meet the requirements to be a NATRUAL BORN CITIZEN.. (HIGHEST level of citizenship… born on US soil.. with BOTH parents being US Citizens.)
This is not a birther issue… It appears that our current Demoncratic Congress and Senate can add an admendment to a Bill and make sure that is Born in Hi and a natural Born Citizen.. Attached to a Bill in July.
So those that are critical of the statement…Natural Born Citizen… need to do more research..
And on yeah… he got away with it because there is NO CLEAR DEFINED Case Law that PREVENTS him from declaring that he is eligible.
In other words, YOUR POTUS has used the LAW to step on the Constitution..
December 1st, 2009 at 4:32 pmSee No evil, Hear No evil, Speak No evil is racists now? I don’t get it, this has been use for a very long time.
December 1st, 2009 at 5:01 pmHi there,
The bunch of idiots who have refused to accept realities must find another world to relocate. We have grown up and have no time to continue to associate ourselves with racial slurs and other forms of divisive Innuendos. When America spoke in November 2008, it was a manifestation of the will of Americans who saw the need to unite for a common goal, which is to forge our country forward. If bunch of morons and mentally unbalanced elements in this society cannot live with seeing black man in the Oval Office, they can forget it, because we are moving on.
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:59 pmFrank
Tracy
I think it is important that people as stupid and brainwashed as YOU just STFU. Dont we deserve reasoned discourse instead of your constant stream of ignorant BS? Really you are far too stupid to contribute to intelligent conversation.
December 4th, 2009 at 5:42 amMiller
I am sorry that you are so stupid and brainwashed. The 14th amendment is quite clear on this issue. Obama was BORN ON US SOIL. That makes him a natural born citizen. It doesnt matter how stupid and gullible you are. Your stupidity effects reality in NO WAY. Since you are too much of a moron to contribute just STFU
December 4th, 2009 at 5:45 amAll you racist morons pretending there is nothing racist about associating a black man with a monkey can kiss my ass. You are just flat too stupid to be responded to in any other way
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