Despite Proposing $1.3 Trillion In Medicare Cuts Last Year, McCain Condemns Much Smaller Cuts In Senate Bill
Despite Proposing $1.3 Trillion In Medicare Cuts Last Year, McCain Condemns Much Smaller Cuts In Senate Bill
This afternoon, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) introduced the first Republican amendment to the Senate’s health care reform bill. The so-called ‘motion to commit’ would send the legislation back to the Senate Finance Committee and instruct that committee to remove the $491 billion in proposed reductions from Medicare and Medicaid programs:
Madame President, simply put, this motion to commit would be a requirement that we eliminate the half a trillion dollars in Medicare cuts that is envisioned by this bill. A half a trillion dollars in cuts that are unspecified as to how, and a half a trillion dollars in cuts that would directly impact the health care of citizens in this country. … All of these are cuts in the obligations that we have assumed and are the rightful benefits that people have earned. … I will eagerly look forward to hearing from the authors of this legislation as to how they can possibly achieve a half a trillion dollars in cuts without impacting existing Medicare programs negatively and eventually lead to rationing of health care in this country. That is what this motion is all about. This motion is to eliminate those unwarranted cuts.
Watch it:
McCain was for far more drastic Medicare cuts before he was against them. In October 2008, the McCain campaign announced that the Senator would pay for his health plan “with major reductions to Medicare and Medicaid…in a move that independent analysts estimate could result in cuts of $1.3 trillion over 10 years to the government programs.” Those cuts would have reduced Medicare and Medicaid spending by as much as 20% over 10 years and cut into benefits.
In 1997, McCain (along with many Democrats) voted for a series of Medicare cuts as part of the Balanced Budget Act of 1997. That act decreased Medicare spending by 12.7% over 10 years and instituted the kind of payment updates that the Senate bill is now recommending. In 1995, moreover, Republicans sought to cut 14% from projected Medicare spending over seven years and force millions of elderly recipients into managed health care programs or HMOs. As Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich admitted, “We don’t want to get rid of it in round one because we don’t think it’s politically smart,” he said. “But we believe that it’s going to wither on the vine because we think [seniors] are going to leave it voluntarily.”
While Republicans wanted to strip funding from Medicare to ultimately kill the program, Democrats are finding cost savings to extend the solvency of the Medicare trust fund and expand the number of seniors eligible for assistance with premiums and co-pays.
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He can from this point on in history be known as Teabagger McCain.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:09 pmI will eagerly look forward to hearing from the authors of this legislation as to how they can possibly achieve a half a trillion dollars in cuts without impacting existing Medicare programs negatively and eventually lead to rationing of health care in this country.
Two points:
one — “impact” is not a verb.
two — WE ALREADY HAVE RATIONING OF HEALTH CARE IN THIS COUNTRY, SENATOR.
WTF is wrong with these people? Do they really think that people can get whatever health care they want or need no matter the cost?
Why won’t Grampy and the rest of the Republicans acknowledge that the only difference between rationing under the proposed health care reforms and under our current system is that currently we have gatekeepers who are beholden first and foremost to the interests of their shareholders, and those interests are enhanced when coverage is denied?
November 30th, 2009 at 7:10 pmThis way Magoo…follow the light.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:11 pmGrampy McSame is having difficulty tracking. Time to up the meds, but Cindy’s into them again…
November 30th, 2009 at 7:13 pmMcdick is senial, he has no idea what the h@ll he is doing.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:17 pmJust ignore him,he is just a washed up useless repug.
Thank God and everybody who voted for Obama that this old fool left fumbling about somewhere on the sidelines.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:19 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
What?… like he remembers 2008.
but seriously..speaking of McCain being old…you know what else is old..this whole ‘I was for it before I was against it’ routine – it’s insulting that he doesn’t even expect us to remember one of his main campaign pledges from last year… how many people in America buy this routine?…
let me guess – about 20% of em….
November 30th, 2009 at 7:21 pmIt may be time to ration McCain’s care. It has reached the point of diminishing returns. I doubt he has another plane crash left in him.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:21 pmThe great senator McCain has a different sense of what $1.3 trillion is because of his experience staring at his wife’s bank statements. In other words, he thinks it’s chump change.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:22 pmHis days of real influence are over anyway.
Seriously – is anyone caring what the McMaverick’s pushing these days?
Time to suanter off into the sunset, Hot Shot (if your’e not afraid of horses) and maybe look into that $19.95 flea market / tent meeting thing that Dubya’s workin’ at.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:24 pm#1 majii … you know – I have to admit I like the sound of that: ‘Teabagger McCain’..
you have to say it with sort of that old west goldrush accent.. I think it would also make a good ghost story to tell children around the campfire…
‘The Legend of Teabagger McCain..’
November 30th, 2009 at 7:25 pmralph the wonder llama says:
it’s both a noun and a verb. but that’s not the point. the point is that republican lawmakers continue to act like the majority of americans are stupid. they say one thing then change, then do something else, then reverse their opinion. and it’s not even because they have new facts. it’s simply political and i’m flarking (thank you leftside annie) sick of it. enough is enough.
as for mccain, we should probably get him some end of life counseling (death panel?)
November 30th, 2009 at 7:29 pmThis is a great example of how politicians scuttle improvements in government. John McCain panders to the fears of his constituents rather than securing savings which he originally campaigned for. I give thanks every day this guy isn’t President.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:32 pmGrampy McAlzheimer’s needs to put his money where his mouth is…if he’s worried about cuts to medicare he should send medicare a nice letter saying “thanks but no thanks” for my coverage. afterall, the old fart can afford to purchase health insurance using his sugar mama’s dough.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:40 pmYes, this is what it’s about: Repeating Republican “talking points” about rationing and ‘death panels’ ad nauseam. You have to remember that you are not the audience for this hypocrisy. It’s the ignorant boobs that might be scared into voting Republican.
Cheers,
November 30th, 2009 at 7:41 pmRight now I am eating homemade turkey soup that my mother gave me. Right now wingnuts are eating bullsht that the repug party is feeding them. The repugs are done,and they burried themselves. Keep eating the bullsht wingnuts, and then for desert go fck yourselves.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:42 pmGrampy McSame says – My friends back in the day I was for cutting things but now I for not cutting things, like green beans, we used to cut those with sharp rocks, just smack em, smack, smack, smack em, then we wouldn’t cut them, we would use watermellons, real big ones, which was the style in the day, why I remember going on a ride, it was a fun ride, we would go places, and do things…what? I’m not making any sense, nonsense, you’re not pay attention…where was I, oh yeah, I could stand at attention for hours, just stand there, all attentioned, and we would do it in groups, groups are fun, Medicare is a group, so are the sex parties Cindy goes to, those are groups, she sure likes groups…that trollop…when you have groups that save money you can buy more green beans, Sarah liked green beans, but then she didn’t and now she blames me for not liking them…uh, oh, I think I have a brown bean in my diapers.
For it or against it and back again, we know that some of those medical electric chair companies got to you gramps and they want to keep stealing from us, just go away, far, far away.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:42 pmrepukies like grampy mcalzheimers are worried about the proposed cuts to medicare part “d” which is, in reality, private insurance funded by you and i the taxpayer. poor old coot’s pissing his pants thinking about what his corporate masters in the insurance industry will do to him next time he’s up for re-election.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:43 pmThis senile old fart, Sen. McWar (R – Hanoi), cannot remember what political positions he took three days ago, let alone last year or years before that, so in his own little mind, he doesn’t see any personal hypocrisy on his part…
November 30th, 2009 at 7:46 pmHe just wants to be reelected! He thinks this amendment will do that for him!
November 30th, 2009 at 7:46 pmMcCain; big cut and then small cuts in Medicare. Playing cards you don’t call this teabagging, you call this sandbagging.
McCain, you truely are a tea gagger!
November 30th, 2009 at 7:47 pmsscncturn64 says:
Right now I am eating homemade turkey soup that my mother gave me.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
That’s the down side of vacationing over Thanksgiving — no leftovers. :(
November 30th, 2009 at 7:47 pmWell Zooey, I think that depends on where you were vacationing. If you were in a warm climate I would gladly trade with you.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:54 pmAs Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich admitted, “We don’t want to get rid of it in round one because we don’t think it’s politically smart,” he said. “But we believe that it’s going to wither on the vine because we think [seniors] are going to leave it voluntarily.”
When Newt utters some grand statement like that (about seniors leaving Medicare voluntarily), you can bet everything you and your kids own that he’s either lying outright or just making crap up. But you’ll also notice the truth mixed in with the comment about not wanting “to get rid of it in round one because we don’t think it’s politically smart.” The question seniors should be asking Newt, and everybody he supports in a political race, is, “In which round did you plan to get rid of Medicare?”
November 30th, 2009 at 8:09 pm1% of Conservatives admit to being human.
..the others couldn’t climb out from under their rock to answer the poll.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:12 pmOSTL says:
BTW Sheriff Joe is polling over 60% statewide for Governor and he hasn’t said if he would run.
This is huuuuuuge! ;)
Why would that be “huuuuuuge!”? Just curious. I mean a state with about 1.5% of the population must carry a lot of sway in this country. You think?
November 30th, 2009 at 8:14 pmOSTL,what is huge besides your wifes ass is the percentage of people that support the dems compared to the repugs.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:15 pmOSTL says:
It’s awesome to see obama between a rock and a hard place in regards to iran. ;)
Really? “Awesome”? Because I happen to think it’s the negligence of the previous administration that got him there in the first place.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:16 pmWayne A. Schneider says:
The question seniors should be asking Newt, and everybody he supports in a political race, is, “In which round did you plan to get rid of Medicare?”
They will not ever get to that question because they are like a lot of people who vote Republican. When they hear the magic words “tax cut” they get a glazed over look and cannot hear anything else. The seniors should be asking the Republicans what programs they are going to cut to balance the budget. The Republicans play a shell game and use the tax cut ploy to keep the game going. While the voters are watching the right hand, they fail to notice what the left hand is doing. Tax cuts are a trojan horse for the Republicans to provide cover for giving the very wealthy even more.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:18 pmMaybe McCain knows what he is doing, doing meaning lying, conning and scamming. This is what the GNOP does best hoping the MSM will continue keeping the public dumbed down… while robbing the public to feed the corporate powers.
Thank God the voting machines did not act up too much and McCain is not our president.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:21 pmI always thought that the purpose of amending a bill was to get good legislation passed. There’s no way in Hell that any GooPer will vote for the final bill so, unless they commit to passage if their amendments are included? Tell them to go piss up a rope.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:25 pmsscncturn64 says:
Well Zooey, I think that depends on where you were vacationing. If you were in a warm climate I would gladly trade with you.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
The Oregon coast isn’t exactly warm this time of year, but I love it. :)
November 30th, 2009 at 8:26 pmOSTL says:
LOL! Suuuuure you do! It’s Bush’s fault for eeeeeverything, right?
No, I don’t. And you can’t prove that I ever did blame them for everything. But I do blame the Bush Administration for giving Iran the strength they have now thanks to the illegal invasion of Iraq and subsequent removal of Saddam. Not that I ever liked Saddam, but it was because of him that Iran wasn’t already more powerful. So, yes, in a very real sense, the reason Obama is between a rock and hard place on Iran is because of Bush.
Wayne A. Schneider says
You think Bush should have nuked Iran? Nice!
Well this is an outright lie, as I have never advocated the use of nuclear weapons. In fact, I believe the world will be a safer place when there are no nuclear weapons anywhere.
Either you are deliberately trying to portray a heartless, cruel, twisted person, or you really are a heartless, cruel twisted person. Either way, you sicken me. Good day, sir.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:27 pmralph the wonder llama says:
“impact” is not a verb.
may have been pointed out already, but,
of course it is…
you ok, ralph?
November 30th, 2009 at 8:30 pm“Impact” is a verb for lazy speakers.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:33 pmpete says:
I always thought that the purpose of amending a bill was to get good legislation passed. There’s no way in Hell that any GooPer will vote for the final bill so, unless they commit to passage if their amendments are included? Tell them to go piss up a rope.
pete,
You are forgetting, my friend, that this isn’t an attempt to amend the bill as much as it is an attempt to get it off the floor and back to committee. If that happens, it will have to get voted out of committee again, and another cloture vote (where it might yet again die), and then further amending before another cloture vote and final vote.
As far as the Republicans are concerned, any bill is a bad bill. They like things just the way they are, and will do everything they can (however dispicable) to protect the status quo.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:33 pmI said “Good day!”
November 30th, 2009 at 8:33 pmOSTL says:
This is huuuuuuge! ;)
Rush, he’s not worthy. Zip up your pants.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:37 pmMcCain is a joke
November 30th, 2009 at 8:41 pmralph the wonder llama says:
“Impact” is a verb for lazy speakers.
wtf does THAT mean???
you COULD just say, “oops, i goofed” you know…
November 30th, 2009 at 8:42 pmhttp://dictionary.reference.com/browse/impact
–verb (used with object)
6. to drive or press closely or firmly into something; pack in.
7. to fill up; congest; throng: A vast crowd impacted St. Peter’s Square.
8. to collide with; strike forcefully: a rocket designed to impact the planet Mars.
9. to have an impact or effect on; influence; alter: The decision may impact your whole career. The auto industry will be impacted by the new labor agreements.
–verb (used without object)
November 30th, 2009 at 8:44 pm10. to have impact or make contact forcefully: The ball impacted against the bat with a loud noise.
11. to have an impact or effect: Increased demand will impact on sales.
That’s right, Bush was a candyass! But I wonder what that makes both of us, OSTL, calling for military action from our RNC hideouts and leaving the dirty work to others.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:44 pmSadly true, Wayne. Although I did catch a story that Blanche Lincoln asked for a procedural resolution that the text of any amendments be made available on line and some GOoPer shot it down. Or something like that.
Oddly enough, all the petty obstruction could work to the advantage of the champions of truth. The Reichwhiners are making any claims that the changes are too hasty or too “radical” patently false.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:45 pmJohn McSame is a senile, old, forgetful, should-be-retired-by-force scumbag. He should go away – today.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:46 pmkaty says:
ralph the wonder llama says:
“Impact” is a verb for lazy speakers.
wtf does THAT mean???
The word is cliched. It has been overused and should be avoided.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:55 pmOSTL says:
“Bush was too much of a candy ass to take out a-jad and so is obama. Iran will have nukes, soon.”
when are you enlisting to lead the charge, pissant?
November 30th, 2009 at 8:55 pmOSTL thinks that taking out ‘a-jad’ would ’solve’ the Iranian nuclear issue… hmm, maybe ‘thinks’ is too strong a word…
November 30th, 2009 at 8:55 pmMcCain and the “conservatives” out there in troll-land agree that extending those Bush tax cuts for Hannity and Limbaugh will really put a boost in our economy and help us get back our “freedoms.”
November 30th, 2009 at 8:59 pmpags2 says:
katy says:
ralph the wonder llama says:
“Impact” is a verb for lazy speakers.
wtf does THAT mean???
The word is cliched. It has been overused and should be avoided.
Yayyyy!!!
The only thing “impacted” is a wisdom tooth.
November 30th, 2009 at 9:03 pmbelaccifer lacca says:
OSTL thinks that taking out ‘a-jad’ would ’solve’ the Iranian nuclear issue… hmm, maybe ‘thinks’ is too strong a word…
“Thinks”? Ha ha. Good one.
What does Iran have to do with McCain and Medicare? Nothing? Oh, yeah, I forgot. This is just another opportunity for the troll to get attention by completely changing the subject.
November 30th, 2009 at 9:04 pmOSTL doesn’t realize that the best way to insure a nuclear Iran is to attack it…
OSTL doesn’t has nothing to say about McCain or Medicaid…
OSTL thinks that calling me a ‘her’ is an insult…
OSTL doesn’t realize that OSTL has nothing to say and that OSTL’s ‘insults’ only reinforce the fact that OSTL doesn’t think at all…
November 30th, 2009 at 9:06 pm‘doesn’t has?’
Blush… it appears that McCain’s Alzheimer’s has ‘impacted’ me already.
November 30th, 2009 at 9:08 pmgummitch says:
The only thing “impacted” is a wisdom tooth.
November 30th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Don’t I know it…
On the other hand, what about that huge meteor scheduled to destroy the earth? Impact? ;)
November 30th, 2009 at 9:08 pmZooey says:
On the other hand, what about that huge meteor scheduled to destroy the earth? Impact? ;)
You can call it a collision with a large stationary object.
November 30th, 2009 at 9:12 pmYou know you’re dealing with a really bad troll (who should be fired by whomever’s paying him to be here) when all they can do is throw straw man arguments and false choices at us. If we don’t believe in doing exactly what he thinks should be done, its equivalent to not doing anything at all. It’s amazing to think such a limited mind could even figure out how to find a liberal blog, let alone post on one.
November 30th, 2009 at 9:13 pmpags2 says:
You can call it a collision with a large stationary object.
November 30th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
I think I’d call it “Who gives a shit? Bend over and kiss your ass goodbye.”
November 30th, 2009 at 9:14 pmZooey says:
On the other hand, what about that huge meteor scheduled to destroy the earth? Impact? ;)
pags2 says:
You can call it a collision with a large stationary object.
“Fatal Attraction”.
November 30th, 2009 at 9:14 pmOSTL says: @30
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It’s awesome to see obama between a rock and a hard place in regards to iran. ;)
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OSTL,
What’s it like to lay your head on a pillow at night and realize there is no excuse for yourself.
What’s it like in the morning to look into the mirror and realize you are a traitor to your country and the people around you.
I bet you say it’s awesome.
You are the one between the rock and a hard spot.
November 30th, 2009 at 9:14 pmPathetic is a word that comes to mind.
USAGE NOTE: impact
Impact has traditionally been only a noun. In recent years, however, it has undergone a semantic shift that has allowed it to act as a verb.
November 30th, 2009 at 9:19 pmImpact has traditionally been only a noun. In recent years, however, it has undergone a semantic shift that has allowed it to act as a verb.
This is shorthand for “people have been abusing the word so long that we’ve given up trying to define it for them.”
November 30th, 2009 at 9:26 pmI would hope the word bloviate joins the list of cliched words and phrases. In fact, “Fox News” and “compassionate conservative” should be added to the list.
November 30th, 2009 at 9:26 pmSo, the first shot that Republicans take against health care reform is to — increase its cost!!!
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tsisageya troll, well, you won’t have long to wait.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:11 pmtsisageya says:
How come Think Progress doesn’t ever speak about President Obama’s escalation of Bushco’s anti-democratic actions. Shall I enumerate them, or no?
November 30th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
Did you enumerate Bush’s anti-democratic actions while Bush was still president? If so, knock yourself out.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:13 pmWho the hell cares what McGrampy thinks? This is the man who foisted Sarah(Baracuda)Palin on the American people. He will go down in history as the baffoon who could have allowed this train wreck in the position as President. Jesus! The thought sends chills down my spine!
November 30th, 2009 at 10:19 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Quotes are noticed… I might need help understanding what “clue” those quotes offer though.
Any help, tsisageya?
November 30th, 2009 at 10:23 pmOh, crap. I just walked in and there is a troll on the loose. Just give me the gist, and let the battle begin.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:24 pmChrist. Two trolls?
November 30th, 2009 at 10:25 pmOSTL, Hey dude, put the meth down and clear your head. Try staying on topic instead of hoping all over the place.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:28 pmtsisageya says:
I’m not a troll. Yes, Zooey, I did enumerate them. Obama is escalating his “policies”. Notice the quotes and get a clue.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Yeah, thanks for those quotation marks — in your response to me, dunderhead. I suggest you get your own clue.
Please provide a link to where you enumerated Bush’s “policies.” Thanks.
BTW, you don’t get to decide if you’re a troll.
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tsisageya says:
I’m not a troll. Yes, Zooey, I did enumerate them. Obama is escalating his “policies”. Notice the quotes and get a clue.
One of the quickest ways to identify a troll is the habit of making completely off-topic comments–along with making comments clearly intended only to pick a fight.
This particular thread is about McCain and Medicare. It’s not about President Obama, and it’s not about Iran, and it’s certainly not about Tiger Woods.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:32 pmAngel@86, OSTL will NEVER stay on topic. When he can’t debate his topics he switches, bring up a unrelated topic and he thinks we will fall for it. Problem is, we never do. We will ask repeatedly about the issue, and he will move on with his bullsh*t.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:32 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Stop worrying about the world changing and change your diapers troll breath. You’ve been stinking up the place all day.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:33 pmtsisageya says:
Not on this site do you decide what posters think you are. I think your just another troll, and I don’t think I’m alone in that thought.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:34 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
tsisageya, you didn’t vote for President Obama. You a liar.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:34 pmHey OSTL,
I have a good one for ya. That Huckbee guy, he was a liberal all the time. Yah, they planted him there years ago and at the right he would come out of the closet and make the conservatives look real bad. It didn’t work, you conservatives are on to him now.
You conservatives are a smart bunch of fellas, aren’t ya.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:36 pmtsisageya says:
And, Oh yes, I DO decide.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Troll.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:36 pmShayne@95, Yeah. I have been in and out all day and OSTL has been in constantly. Tell me OSTL, are you unemployed? Receiving benefits? On Social Security? I’m just curious.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:36 pmOSTL=Racist.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:39 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Shayne @ 98,
November 30th, 2009 at 10:39 pmtsisageya just pretending. Let the poor muttonhead have some fun.
@102, That’s it. Get out! I’m tired of the racist attitude. Obama is much SMARTER than you. Is that why you hate him? That would explain everything.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:40 pmOSTL, you simpletons on the right never answer this. What happens if we nuke Iran into the Stone Age?
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P.D. says:
Angel@86, OSTL will NEVER stay on topic. When he can’t debate his topics
OSTL doesn’t know what a debate is.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:47 pmOSTL,
There once was a man sent to drain the swamp, and a big swamp it was. Low and behold, the swamp was full of alligators. What was the poor man to do?
I know this may seem simple, OSTL, but I am shure your nimble brain can catch the drift. Give it a try?
I have faith in you.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:48 pmOSTL says:
Blah,blah,blah,blah.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:49 pm108, feel free to voice your reservations about Obama. I have mine as well, but to do so on the McCain hypocrisy about Medicare thread makes you sound like you’re employing the “So, Obama did it too!” defense the trolls always seem to play…
November 30th, 2009 at 10:49 pm@112. Yeah, he is so predictable, he gets boring. Yawn.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:50 pmOSTL,
There was once a Vice President whose former company made billions from a war that wasn’t necessary, and killed a lot of people.
Is this called war profiteering? Just thought I would tap your nimble brain.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:57 pmCome on OSTL, I have faith in you!
113, I’m sure you’re right. Years ago, when I was a fool, I actually had some respect for McCain but when I saw the photo of him and Bush hugging and then all that came after, I had to vomit and be regretful. What a whore.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:58 pmtsisageya, so, what’s your problem with Obama?
November 30th, 2009 at 11:00 pmDo you think he should be able to fix in 10 months what it took bush and the gop 8 years to damage?
November 30th, 2009 at 11:02 pmFred@117, I guess it’s because he’s a ‘Socialist’, Marxist’, ‘Commie’, secret ‘Muslim’. But it is not because he is ‘Black’. That would be racist wouldn’t it?
November 30th, 2009 at 11:04 pmBovine!
November 30th, 2009 at 11:06 pmOSTL, you really need some help fella.
I’m embarrassed for your handlers for letting you continue with so few brain cells funtioning.
I guess you exhibit the new low that represents the right.
You carry on though little fella, you do more for our cause than anything we can do.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:06 pmGood evening P.D.
I think you pretty well wrapped it up.
It’s pretty hard for them to profess that Obama is just bush II when you see how upset Israel is with him.
I’m just wondering why tsisageya, if not a troll, isn’t willing to discuss it.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:09 pmI don’t have to come up with anything for you and it’s getting hard to work up a little smypathy for your mental condition.
I find it ironic that you of all people mention piss poor half assed anything as it pretty well defines you.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:12 pmHold on for a long cycle. Last time it was nearly 60 years in the darkness for the gop.
I see no signs of a revival anytime soon.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:14 pmI’m outta here! Tracy walked in. Good night my TP brethern, I will see you on the morn…
November 30th, 2009 at 11:15 pmt5, you are grasping at straws while peddling them.
Irony? I think so.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:15 pmtsisageya claims not to be a troll, but I don’t see the off-topic “Obama is doing Bush shit” list he/she claimed it could post.
That smacks of definite trollie behavior.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:15 pmFred @ 118,
November 30th, 2009 at 11:16 pmI believe this expectation has been framed by the Republicans, and at the same time distancing themselves from the “Bush Legacy”. As the scope of this legacy unfolds, it may be impossible for sitting Republicans to explain the lack of oversight. Hence the purity test, Bush was really a liberal thing.
We would all like a quick fix. Obama has to be able to sell reality. The public is tiring of the delusion.
What’s a “falg?”
November 30th, 2009 at 11:16 pmodd mistype. freudian?
How’s that minority status suiting ya?
November 30th, 2009 at 11:17 pmZooey @ 132,
November 30th, 2009 at 11:17 pmI don’t think he’s a troll, but he is a muttomhead.
OK, Jeffy Bovine. How is the horsie business doing?
How about that carpal tunnel condition? Getting any better?
You shouldn’t work them horsies so hard.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:19 pmLarry Summers. He’s Jewish so of course a racist like you would hate him.
Tiger Woods is of mixed race and you’ve already posted how you don’t think the races should mix so naturally you hate him too.
Hate, hate, hate, Bovine. It’s eating away at you like a cancer.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:20 pmThey are trying to peddle a lot of things that don’t jive. My usual bunch of conservatives(I live in Okla.) dread seeing me come around and will no longer discuss politics with me.
I hang the bush admin around their necks and make them wear it.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:21 pmComon little fella, I’m trying to be nice to ya but even you don’t think that gets any traction do ya. Really? Cause if you do then you should be looking over your shoulder all the time. the guys in white coats are coming for ya.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:23 pmEarlier today, on the Gonzo thread, liberalinaredstate posted a link from current.com about how current.com being under attack from GOP-paid trolls and when I read the comments from the link within the link I found this:
One way to spot them: They’ll often preface their comments with, “I’ve been a Democrat all my life, but..”, or, “I’m not a Republican, however….”, and proceed to bash President Obama, health care reform, etc.
I’ll add this, they often begin with, “I voted for Obama but…” and proceed to try to take the thread right off the rails.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:25 pmOSTL is mentally deranged and his time is limited.
He called for the death of 3 year olds because they might grow up to be terrorists.
Reminds me of that other guy that felt the same way and acted out on it. What was his name?….卐…….
It’s on the tip of my tongue…….
He was bat shit crazy too.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:26 pmmary lacewing, they think we don’t know……shhhh
They think they are smart……shhh.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:28 pmOSTL,
How is that Huckbee thing working out for you Conservatives.
This McCain guy can’t keep track of what he does year to year.
Palin is just a quitter.
And the “Conservative Legacy of G W Bush”.
Things are looking up for the new conservative movement.
And a year of the party of no, man you are going to cook the polls.
I’d say you have plenty of heavy baggage, wouldn’t you.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:29 pmflight says:
I don’t think he’s a troll, but he is a muttomhead.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
That’s a happy compromise. ;)
November 30th, 2009 at 11:29 pmFrom McCain’s myopic point of view:
Proposing to cut Medicare funding when you’re a Republican running for Prez = ‘fiscally responsible’.
Proposing to cut Medicare funding when you’re a Democrat = denying Grandma health care.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:31 pm118, no I don’t. But when you outright break the promises that got you elected in the first place and then do the exact opposite instead, that does not make me very happy that I voted for the “bipartisan”, let’s-look-forward-rather-than-backward guy. I like what this guy says—always.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:31 pmYou can’t make me desperate. I survived nixon, raygun and both bush’s.
I don’t envy you the position you are in though and once again I find irony in your statement.
teabagger = desperation
November 30th, 2009 at 11:34 pmhttp://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/
Since you insist on driving off a cliff, tsisageya… 55 promises kept.
7 broken.
162 in the works.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:36 pmtsisageya says:
113, I’m sure you’re right. Years ago, when I was a fool, I actually had some respect for McCain but when I saw the photo of him and Bush hugging and then all that came after, I had to vomit and be regretful. What a whore.
I was a conservative too until I got to college…Then my roommate helped me to do a complete 180, he was a Global studies major and let me read his reading materials. We would spend whole nights talking about Afghanistan and the upcoming war in Iraq. We went protesting on State St. in Santa Barbara and it was an experience that I am most thankful for.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:36 pmI’ve NEVER been a conservative. Ever. Please, you guys, stop reading your own interpretations of my words. What are you, REPUBLICANS?
November 30th, 2009 at 11:41 pmtsisageya, I like pitt but even he acknowledges the magnitude of the task:
He also admits that some things are better.
His biggest beef seems to be with Afganistan policy.
To that I would say that bush got the chance to do it his way and now Obama gets the chance to tackle it.
No one is unaware of the obstruction that the gop represents and it’s obvious to the aware that the reason is simple. If Obama succeeds, at anything, they lose everything.
This is not a black and white issue my friend. There is much grey and there are many people with a lot of money trying to keep Obama and some good democrats from undoing what they so meticulously put in place.
They want a two tier caste system and they damn near accomplished it.
We are thier nightmare and I intend for them to lose a lot of sleep.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:42 pmWill you stop reading you own interpretation of Obama’s promises and read them, tsisageya?
Read McCain’s words while you’re at it…
November 30th, 2009 at 11:43 pmPitts. William Rivers Pitts.
Go re-read and stop being putzes you guys.
Oh and, a’la dkos, GBCW.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:44 pmWhat are you, REPUBLICANS?
November 30th, 2009 at 11:45 pm—
Well I wanna say I am a small business owner that is an independent but I have a long history of being honest
You seem to feel free to throw allegations around after showing just enough of your slip for us to question your motives.
If you are genuine, you should chill and let it play out.
We will figure you out and you are not helping your case with statements like that.
Choose your words wisely. We are used to dealing with the likes of OSTL who has no problem with duplicity and deception.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:45 pmOh and, a’la dkos, GBCW.
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November 30th, 2009 at 11:45 pmLMNO Goldfish….
Answer:
November 30th, 2009 at 11:47 pmI punk ass loser in need of attention…
I did read it and responded to you in a civil manner.
I am starting to think you are just a troll.
Prove me wrong.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:48 pmOstl is getting jealous that others are getting the attention that he craves. Mentally ill I tell ya.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:50 pmWho is the real OSTL?
Jeff M. Bovine.
Closet bareback professional horsie fluffer.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:52 pmThe anagram generator says:
tsisageya = ass gaiety
November 30th, 2009 at 11:52 pmI really wish I didn’t have a record of starting sentences with I when I mean A.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:52 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
The anagram generator
November 30th, 2009 at 11:54 pm—–
So that’s how you people do that. Damn I should have figured it was something like that…
OSTL and Tracy__5, two great examples of meth enhanced thinking.
Do you guys mow the lawn? Or do you just go out, get on your hands and knees and chew the grass?
November 30th, 2009 at 11:55 pmThis is what progressive looks like:
http://www.theygaveusarepublic.com/diary/4302/only-liberals-can-save-obama-and-the-democrats-now
NOW, GBCW. Forever, muttonheads. BTW, learn to spell.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:55 pmSeems someone is peeking… Please children try to keep your eyes on your own papers or we will have to give you both zeros and call home…
November 30th, 2009 at 11:56 pmTracist,
Repeating an idiotic comment does not give it more weight.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:57 pmI’m a teabagger
I’m a teabagger
here comes one now
November 30th, 2009 at 11:58 pmSo vote down baby what do you think about my idea? Can we talk about it? It would be so so cool if you pulled it off…
November 30th, 2009 at 11:59 pmI complimented 173 because I expect him to fulfill his promise.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:59 pmOk OSTL give me back my meth you bastard….
December 1st, 2009 at 12:02 am179
Jeffy will give you back your meth AND his money if you let him blow you.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:04 amtsisageya’s an amature, obviously.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:04 amI like Michael Moore and I like Obama too.
In the progressive wing of America, we often disagree.
We are not goosesteppers like OSTL 卐
December 1st, 2009 at 12:07 amNow is the LOL part somehow intended to enhance the statement?
December 1st, 2009 at 12:07 amIt’s caused by the thorazine…
December 1st, 2009 at 12:10 amYou really have no idea do you?
December 1st, 2009 at 12:11 amI’m so confused…now it looks like Republicans are criticizing Obama for continuing Bush’s “policies.” (in “quotes”).
Hey, Maybe that’s why the Republicans in Congress oppose everything Obama does! They don’t want a continuation of Bush’s “policies.” But….why not? Why can’t Obama turn the Department of Justice into the political arm of the White House? It was good enough for Bush!
And why can’t Obama spy on Americans the way Bush did? Don’t the Republicans want to keep us safe from terrorists? And what’s wrong with continuing Bush’s off-budget financing of two wars and record-breaking deficits? Don’t Republicans want to continue those Bush policies forever? Isn’t that what’s best for America?
I’m so confused….
December 1st, 2009 at 12:11 amThe Olby Sucks troll is in need of freezing out. Such stupidity shouldn’t be reinforced.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:14 amI’m so confused….
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December 1st, 2009 at 12:15 amMaybe old SamJoe the still finding himself regular 40 something American white guy can explain it to you…
Everyone fools you, Jeffy.
You’re a fool.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:15 am189
December 1st, 2009 at 12:17 amYou’ll have to spank at least my hands…
tsisageya@ 151,
Your reservations not withstanding, let me list some of the important aspects of the Obama Presidency;
Obama is confident, and he resides with his family, his first and only wife and two beautiful children.
Obama is a world leader;
A rescue was arranged out of North Korea with a high level dignitary. From a rescue, dialog may follow. This is noteworthy!
The Iranian government was shown to be what it truly is, not only to the world but to its own people. Very powerful influence.
The Chinese appear to trust and respect his judgment.
Our European partners have developed a strong respect for this country again.
Obama as a National Leader;
The Democratic Party has a leader and a voice, and in a true democratic tradition. The Republicans have chosen the spoiler path hence the lack of bipartisanship.
The stimulus package was not as large as many economists had recommended, but Obama set the priorities for the size.
It appears one terrorist attack had been averted in New York.
Health Care reform has progressed further then the opponents had anticipated; the outcome yet to be seen.
The “Bush Legacy” has been far more extensive than anyone imagined including Obama. I give Obama credit for displaying the confidence and fortitude to proceed in a dignified manner.
So, Obama didn’t keep his campaign promises?
December 1st, 2009 at 12:17 amI am content for what we have received so far.
OSTL:
December 1st, 2009 at 12:19 amFor real what is your deal? What motivates you?
Irony? You be the judge.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:19 amThose were just “morons.” Not terrorists.
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December 1st, 2009 at 12:21 amReagan rolls in his grave when you speak of the Contras that way…
ostl, you were in new york?
December 1st, 2009 at 12:22 amostl mcveigh
December 1st, 2009 at 12:23 am173, from your link:
“Explain to me exactly how this is different from where we would be in a McCain/Palin administration.”
Yeah. Somehow I think we’re a bit better off with a Constitutional Law Professor at the helm of this Ship of State than Mr. “Barely Passing” and Miss Congeniality.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:23 amI own vote down babies. See that is one of the benefits of have a vote up only policy. It automatically shows that you can get the job done with only your words…
December 1st, 2009 at 12:24 amlooks like we should have killed ostl when he was 3. That’s what he suggested doing with Arab children because he was afraid they would grow up to be terrorists.
baby killer.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:24 amRight on cue.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:25 am—
So are you ready to talk now my little attention junkie?
ostl, did your mom commit suicide after she realized what she had given birth to?
December 1st, 2009 at 12:27 amOSTL
December 1st, 2009 at 12:28 amYou know what I think… I think you can’t handle it. Can you?
I also think I can taunt you at will…
December 1st, 2009 at 12:29 amna dbadass, he’s shown what a pussy he is.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:30 amIn addition I think you are incapable of having a focused discussion about a topic because you lack the intellect.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:31 amJeffy,
The horse fluffing business must not be doing so well these days, ain’t it, Jeffy.
I tell you what, Bovine. I’ll help you get back on your feet, or down on your knees, or all fours, whatever.
I am going to go to the Roadhouse and post your bareback cowboy pic along with your addy and MY CELL PH # on the men’s bathroom walls.
I will relay any profitable contacts through this board.
Of course, all of this will require my standard 70% management fee.
Do we have a deal?
December 1st, 2009 at 12:35 amSO here’s the deal OSTL pull your shit together and put on the big boy pants or change your name again or just go away when you see me coming because I have no patience for weak ass losers. Clear?
December 1st, 2009 at 12:35 amMaybe those who insist on responding to the imbecile troll can do us a favor and, starting tomorrow, hold it on one thread for the day? Thanks.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:35 amSeems reasonable.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:37 amFred @ 141,
I call it a bit of smug satisfaction that the Conservative element skips over the Bush Legacy. Fred, did you know Bush was a liberal pretending to be a Conservative. This is what makes you scratch your head, drives me nuts.
@ 204 I think abortion of OSTL would have been justified. Look what OSTL grew up to be.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:38 amWouldn’t you try any way possible to distance yourself from what the gop and bush did?
That’s the party of personal responsibility for ya….
December 1st, 2009 at 12:40 am213 Zooey
Sure, no problem. But I would like to make an observation.
I was gone for weeks and the pest didn’t quit. Instead, Jeffy Bovine continued pestering other TP regulars. I disagree with dbadass policy of NOT voting down or flagging comments. I say, flag him and report him.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:46 amYou know, I ask OSTL some very simply questions and he couldn’t stay focused lond enough to answer any of them. The harder questions do put him at a disavantage. In the future we might want to consider his attention disorder before ganging up on him. The little man may devolope a complex and quit showing up, and that would be a real shame. OSTL is growing on me, in a caustic way.
good night all
December 1st, 2009 at 12:48 amI say, flag him and report him.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:48 am—
I don’t disagree with you and I encourage others to consider that option. It just isn’t right for me.
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OK. That’s cool.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:56 amSorry, O.T. with a follow-up to yesterday’s post:
UK Iraq War Inquiry: Blair Was Told Iraq War Was Illegal, Decided On War In 2002
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Rep. Hinchey: Bush ‘intentionally let Bin Laden get away’
By Stephen C. Webster
Monday, November 30th, 2009 — 8:30 pm
http://rawstory.com/2009/11/rep-hinchey-bush-intentionally-bin-laden-away/
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December 1st, 2009 at 1:15 amOr this…
Bin Laden was within US’ reach: Senate report
(China Daily)Updated: 2009-11-30
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2009-11/30/content_9074067.htm
http://thehill.com/images/stories/news/2009/november/thanksgiving/tora_bora_report.pdf
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(dear trolls, Google IT!)
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December 1st, 2009 at 1:16 amWars are not meant to be won. Wars are meant to be fought. Orwell.
December 1st, 2009 at 1:36 am#170
December 1st, 2009 at 1:40 amDear Tracy Five Cheetos Fingers,
I’m glad to see that you’ve stopped beating your boyfriend.
Max
Yeah, I read your articles and unfortunately this is something I knew was happening back then. The complete lack of competence of junior being led by the nose by the evil monster Cheney. These two f**kheads had a hardon to kill Saddam and an obvious need to play global chess in the mideast oil corridor.
The whole thing was too obvious to an old prof.
December 1st, 2009 at 1:53 amgully,
Many of us did scream. But unfortunately, either we didn’t scream loud enough (I doubt it was this alone, but on some levels it’s provable), but instead the “people” in the “Establishment” didn’t want to make waves. The beltway crowd just let it out a notch and didn’t care to examine what the world knew then and still continues to know; talk about; discuss; investigate; hold hearings on; etc. etc. etc.
I learned early in life, “Fido ate my paper” only works if you have a dog and it’s name IS Fido. And even then, it only works once! Or in my case, “Don’t forge mom’s signature on your fifth grade ‘Note to Parent’” And I learned that being honest was the easiest way to face the difficulties and lessen the burden of being called out for poor decisions.
Now, maybe America can start having an honest discussion about what being a “Responsible” Nation looks like. Be it the Rule of Law, the environment, human Rights, Freedom? Maybe?
December 1st, 2009 at 2:22 amtsisageya says:
I’ve NEVER been a conservative. Ever. Please, you guys, stop reading your own interpretations of my words. What are you, REPUBLICANS?
Oops, the too just slipped out…
December 1st, 2009 at 2:27 amalright folks.. I’m making my semi-obnoxious rounds again for the public option..
Sign Al Franken’s Petition
December 1st, 2009 at 8:02 am.
Sign Howard Dean’s Petition
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Sign Anthony Weiner’s Petition
And check out Raw Story’s latest arctic ice story. The wingnut climate change deniers will have a hard time explaining away “Rotten Ice.”
December 1st, 2009 at 8:04 amon another unrelated note..
Their selling NBC to Comcast. Can you believe this crap?
It sure as hell shouldn’t be legal to sell a broadcast company to a cable company… but looks like that’s what’s happening.
wtf. Can’t believe our monopoly laws.. they’re pathetic.
December 1st, 2009 at 8:12 am15 Questions for Conservatives
good stuff.
December 1st, 2009 at 8:17 amWhen does this decrepit POS come up for re-election?
December 1st, 2009 at 8:18 amIn about 4 years I think.
December 1st, 2009 at 8:53 amBut I want to bring up Chainey. Old DICK !
The thought of him making comments about Obama “dithering” and “showing signs of weakness”. Is really startin to piss me off.
My wife like to watch Mourning Slow, so when I wake up, it’s usually on. But at least it’s on super early on the west coast. So I miss most of it.
But getting back to Chainey.
He has the audacity to say bs like that, when him and his puppet are the ones responsible for this whole damned thing.
People may disagree on whether Afghanistan was a just cause.
But the one thing everyone agrees on is, Chainey ,Boosh and their cohorts in crime are the ones who really Fooked this whole thing up.
Geeezzzusssss, Just die already DICK. Do the country and the world a favor and stick your finger in the dryers wall socket.
I understand that memory loss is a sign of dementia. I have seen someone with Alzheimers and the speech patterns that are present in McCain are very similar to what I observed. He needs to be medically evaluated.
December 1st, 2009 at 8:59 amIt’s time to put the old bull out to pasture.
December 1st, 2009 at 9:10 amHey, Grampy was a war hero, if you’re willing to set the bar that low, but of course, Benedict Arnold was a war hero too.
December 1st, 2009 at 1:18 pmWow and to think I actually voted for this idiot last year (a choice that I really regret now)! Grampy McCan’t, take advantage of your GREAT healthcare (thanks to us taxpayers) and use it towards some mental health therapy, cause you’re starting to go senile ( not that you’ve ever been “sane” in the 1st place).
December 1st, 2009 at 4:52 pm