Pastor Rick Warren Refuses To Condemn Ugandan Law Making Homosexual Acts Punishable By Death
Pastor Rick Warren Refuses To Condemn Ugandan Law Making Homosexual Acts Punishable By Death
The Ugandan parliament is currently considering an “Anti-Homosexuality Bill,” under which any person “convicted of gay sex is liable to life imprisonment.” If that person is HIV positive or has sex with a minor or a person with a disability, he or she would be guilty of “aggravated homosexuality” and face the death penalty. The bill also proposes up to three years of imprisonment for anyone who “fails to report within 24 hours the identities of everyone they know who is lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender, or who supports human rights for people who are.” The bill would even “apply to Ugandans who commit homosexual offences, but who live overseas.” There are approximately 500,000 gay men and women living in Uganda.
The author of the bill is Ugandan Parliamentarian David Bahati, who organizes the Ugandan National Prayer Breakfast and has been embraced by the far right in the United States. Journalist Jeff Sharlet, who has chronicled the secretive international fundamentalist Christian organization known as “The Family,” says that Bahati is “a core member” of the group, which has links to prominent U.S. politicians. In his book, Sharlet reveals the effects of some of The Family’s other work in Uganda (p. 328):
Uganda, which following the collapse of Siad Barre’s Somalia became the focus of the Family’s interests in the African Horn, has been the most tragic victim of their projection of American sexual anxieties. Following implementation of one of the continent’s only successful anti-AIDS program, President Yoweri Museveni, the Family’s key man in Africa, came under pressure from the United States to emphasize abstinence instead of condoms. … Meanwhile, Ugandan souls may be more “pure,” but their bodes are suffering; following the American intervention, the Ugandan AIDS rate, once dropping, nearly doubled.
Museveni has allowed Bahati’s bill parliamentary time and given homophobic speeches, warning Ugandan youths that “‘European homosexuals are recruiting in Africa,’ and saying gay relationships were against God’s will.”
Pastor Rick Warren — whom President Obama controversially chose to deliver the invocation at his inauguration — is now refusing to condemn Bahati’s bill, which has been endorsed by Ugandan pastor Martin Ssempa. Ssempa has been welcomed by Warren’s family and made appearances at his church. Newsweek reports that although Warren has distanced himself from Ssempa’s views, he won’t come out against the Anti-Homosexuality Bill:
The fundamental dignity of every person, our right to be free, and the freedom to make moral choices are gifts endowed by God, our creator. However, it is not my personal calling as a pastor in America to comment or interfere in the political process of other nations.
On Meet the Press yesterday, Warren reiterated, “As a pastor, my job is to encourage, to support. I never take sides.” He has, however, said that abortion is a “holocaust” and pushed for the passage of California’s Prop. 8.
Topic Cloud
ArchivesBlog Roll
American Taliban
November 30th, 2009 at 2:25 pmOSTL says:
Wrong blog. I think you are looking for the “Think Prowess” website where you can buy a replacement for your codpiece. This time why don’t you buy one not made in China so it stands up to your “post/hit” activity?
November 30th, 2009 at 2:25 pm“Jesus loves you*”
“God created us all in his image*”
“We are all God’s children*”
*unless you’re gay
*unless you’re gay
*unless you’re gay
It’s not just the fundamentalist Christians in Uganda that put Fred Phelps to shame; the president of the Gambia once threatened to personally behead all homosexuals in his country. Same-sex relations are still punishable by death in many countries. It’s common for Mugabe to accuse political opponents of sodomy.
And, yet, South Africa was one of the first countries in the world to legalize same-sex marriage…
November 30th, 2009 at 2:28 pmWe cannot be perfect
November 30th, 2009 at 2:31 pmUnless we’re all the same
So, if you are somehow different
We’ll kill you in Jesus’ name.
Amen.
This is the agenda of homophobes everywhere — just kill all homosexuals.
When are they going to realize that killing all homosexuals (even if they could) won’t eradicate homosexuality?
November 30th, 2009 at 2:32 pmI believe that devoutly religious people are the most dangerous people on earth, but this guy is truly a hypocrit and a PIG – put some lipstick on him.
November 30th, 2009 at 2:32 pmEnnui is right… I don’t think that Jesus wanted Man to put asterisks on his gospels….
November 30th, 2009 at 2:33 pmOn Meet the Press yesterday, Warren reiterated, “As a pastor, my job is to encourage, to support. I never take sides.”
Pray tell, how does one “support” without “taking sides”?
Sounds like a lot of crap to me.
November 30th, 2009 at 2:33 pmOkay, what about the rampant spread of AIDS within the HETEROSEXUAL population of Uganda?
Are they subjected to the same equivalent of punishment?
Will Warren remain silent when they start executing Christian couples for similar crimes?
And what about this “Thou shall not kill”?
November 30th, 2009 at 2:34 pmDid God not mean that?
I didn’t even turn over to Meet The Press yesterday, because this (P)rick was on there. It gave me more time to enjoy Bernie Sanders on This Week.
November 30th, 2009 at 2:34 pmthis “Family” is sounding more and more like the enemy…
it certainly need more exposure…
…
hey, p.rick – what is that thing on your face? is that on purpose?
do you think it makes you look slim? cool? handsome?
so far, none of the above…
November 30th, 2009 at 2:36 pm“First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out.
November 30th, 2009 at 2:37 pmThen they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out.
And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.”
-Martin Niemoller-
OSTL says:
This comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Oh goody, a new post/hit piece!
Yet Pastor Warren considers himself pro-life? What’s pro-life about being SILENT when atrocities like this are being committed?
November 30th, 2009 at 2:38 pmUsing your standards of guilt by association, I’ll assume that you, OSTL support the killing of gay people for the “crime” of being born gay…
November 30th, 2009 at 2:39 pmif i start repeating dumbass comments will i become tax exempt?
November 30th, 2009 at 2:39 pmIf that person is HIV positive or has sex with a minor or a person with a disability, he or she would be guilty of “aggravated homosexuality” and face the death penalty.
____________________________________________________________
I’m assuming that by labeling these offenses “aggravated homosexuality” that they apply only if both parties are the same sex.
Does this mean it’s OK to have sex with somebody of the opposite sex if you’re HIV positive, without informing them of your condition? Or that it’s OK to have sex with a minor or a person with a disability, just as long as it’s somebody of the opposite sex?
I don’t have any exact statistics in front of me, but it seems to me that there are more heterosexual sex offenders and HIV-positive people than homosexuals who fall into those categories.
November 30th, 2009 at 2:40 pmThe bill also proposes up to three years of imprisonment for anyone who “fails to report within 24 hours the identities of everyone they know who is lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender, or who supports human rights for people who are.”
This will bring a deluge of false, politically and financially motivated claims. It doesn’t make merely being gay a crime, but supporting gays a crime as well. If Warren can’t face the fact that he’s aligned with a authoritarian bigot, he should at least make a statement saying that merely being a supporter of gays shouldn’t be a crime. If he want to be viewed as a Christian, that is.
November 30th, 2009 at 2:40 pmAccording to the Invisible Magical Faerie in the Sky’s good book..
God made all creatures, great and small.
Christians – Yeah, but we are gonna kill them anyway.
Protect the unborn, murder the born.
And my parents wonder why I became an atheist at 12 years old…guess my reasoning power was greater than theirs.
November 30th, 2009 at 2:41 pmspearNmagicHelmet says
November 30th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
if i start repeating dumbass comments will i become tax exempt?
_____________________________________________________________
Only if you thump a bible while doing so.
November 30th, 2009 at 2:41 pmAnother pro-death fundie jackass. Methinks Pastor Rick needs to go do some personal research on Ugandan homophobia.
November 30th, 2009 at 2:42 pmChildren of the future age,
November 30th, 2009 at 2:43 pmReading this indignant page,
Know that in a former time
Love, sweet love, was thought a crime.
“As a pastor, my job is to encourage, to support. I never take sides.”
You already have, by not condemning this bigot, and his legislation. Perhaps the Justice Dept. needs to take a very close look at this specious “family,” and their international connections.
November 30th, 2009 at 2:43 pmThe bill also proposes up to three years of imprisonment for anyone who “fails to report within 24 hours the identities of everyone they know who is lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender, or who supports human rights for people who are.”
November 30th, 2009 at 2:45 pmI’d like to take this opportunity to report Pastor Rick Warren as a gay, bisexual, transgender hypocrite. So please arrest him, lock him up and keep him in Uganda for the rest of his natural life.
What we have here is a person who claims superior morality that refuses to condemn ruthless Governmental acts because they punish behavior with which he disgrees. He should ask himself would he make the same decision as Uganda in that regard, would he make a decision to execute gays? If he can not make that decision how can he not condemn it? The stench of hypocrisy is evident, or maybe not and he would pull the tigger himself.
November 30th, 2009 at 2:46 pmEach of tooth of Ricky’s phony smile should have a gold inlaid letter to show the world how in touch he is with plight of fellow americans; and for easy recognition, when he smiles it should read: “H Y P O C R I T E”.
November 30th, 2009 at 2:46 pmI’m tired of ‘Christians’ cherry picking what is right and wrong. The Catholics denying aid if legislation passes for Gay and Lesbian rights. And yet, stay remarkably silent on the wars. The ‘Christain’ Right which abhors abortion but supports the Death Penalty and Bush’s war. How can one be ‘Pro-life’ and yet, have no problem killing hundreds of thousands in war?
November 30th, 2009 at 2:48 pmWarren reiterated, “As a pastor, my job is to encourage, to support. I never take sides.”
As a pastor, why wouldn’t his job be to encourage people not to be bigoted towards their fellow men and women? As a pastor, why wouldn’t he tell people that it is wrong to discriminate against anyone? As a pastor, why is it so hard to encourage people to treat everyone with dignity and respect?
If he can’t do it as a pastor, then he has no business leading a church – even one that he started himself.
Maybe he could speak against it as a human being, instead?
November 30th, 2009 at 2:51 pm@27. Remember the thousands being killed are probably muslim. We’re watching the crusades all over again, and if the church says it’s ok, then it must be God’s Will. Yet one more reason I abhor organized religion.
November 30th, 2009 at 2:51 pmMeanwhile, Ugandan souls may be more “pure,” but their bodes are suffering; following the American intervention, the Ugandan AIDS rate, once dropping, nearly doubled.
So, Rick, you’re former president’s policy has only increased the suffering of these people, wouldn’t you think that Xianity has done quite enough to these folks?
November 30th, 2009 at 2:54 pmNow, along with being able to suggest that hardcore libertarians move to the libertarian utopia of Somalia, we can suggest to homophobes like bitblt that perhaps they would feel more secure in their heterosexuality were they to set up housekeeping in Uganda.
November 30th, 2009 at 2:54 pmWhat Warren is doing, whether he knows it or not, is refusing to condemn a piece of legislation that turns American ideals of law on their head, simply so he can have further access to Ugandans for religious prosytletization. Someone should ask: would you be in favor of such legislation in the US? And if not, why.
November 30th, 2009 at 2:54 pmUNS@29, I know. Depressing ain’t it? These leaders turn a blind eye to their own un-Christian behavior. The Catholics with the pediphile priests, to the hypocriitical religious right who will cast their eyes down on you for your sinful ways, yet let men like Sanford, Ensign and Vitter back into their flock.
November 30th, 2009 at 2:57 pmThe media will NEVER ask him tough questions like that, barfly because the conservatives will be hounding the media for being “anti-religion…”
November 30th, 2009 at 2:57 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
@33. Ex-communication should be standard for people like that. Especially if they won’t stand up against murder. Thou Shalt not Kill, and all that.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:03 pmThat’s why its ludicrous to call Warren ‘Obama’s controversial inauguration choice…’
He ain’t timid when it comes to gay marriage. He is controversial, for talking the talk, but not walking the Christian walk.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:03 pmPastor Warren believes that Christian charity should be extended only to Christian people who agree with him–in other words sanctimonious hypocrites. We know those kind of people-Larry Craig, Mark Sanford, David Vitter, and so on. They believe that God parses sexual sins.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:04 pmAnd speaking of Obama, why doesn’t Obama condemn Iran for publicly and frequently executing homosexuals?
At least Obama has some clout in that arena. Warren is a nobody.
What clout?
Is Iran getting American humanitarian aid?
I didn’t think so.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:04 pmUSN@36, These Bible thumpers rely on the OLD testament more so than the New Testament. It is more fitting for their fire and brimstone policies to keep their flock in line. Who wants to talk forgivness when they can scare the bee-jeebies out of you?
November 30th, 2009 at 3:06 pmto hell with religion!
November 30th, 2009 at 3:09 pmFat Bastard needs to drink himself a very large bucket of STFU. I loathe that sanctimonious hypocrite!!!
November 30th, 2009 at 3:12 pm@41. Amend it to organized religion. You’ll find a number of folks, myself among them who can worship god just fine without all the dogmatic intolerance that seems to come with being part of a church.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:15 pmI have respect Rick Warren. It’s very troubling he would think what he thinks, totally forgetting John 8:1-11.
Cast the first stone? I don’t think Bahati needs to bother picking up a rock. Or Warren for that matter.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:15 pm#44 – JW13 says:
——————————————————–
“Cast the first stone? I don’t think Bahati needs to bother picking up a rock. Or Warren for that matter.”
November 30th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Why should we expect these sad, pathetic excuses for humans to practice what they preach? They aren’t the kind of people they preach to, so when they tell others to follow the Bible, why should expect them to follow the Bible?
November 30th, 2009 at 3:19 pmWould rick warren have chosen not to take sides in 1948 nazi germany ?
November 30th, 2009 at 3:27 pm#46 – jbrantow says:
———————————————————-
“Would rick warren have chosen not to take sides in 1948 nazi germany ?”
November 30th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Most probably, based on his proven anti-American stances.
He’d probably explain it in this fashion: I, Rick Warren, support the Nazi’s freedom to make moral choices as they kill the jews and other people they label as undesireable.”
November 30th, 2009 at 3:47 pmPastor Rick Warren – one of Obama’s first mistakes.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:49 pm*
What a hypocrite. As previously stated: Remove the Church’s Tax Exempt status. I’m embarassed to say I live in Orange County CA a few miles away from this “church.” It is because of people such as this “Reverend” that I stopped going to church.
I have NO problem with FREE speech except that it shouldn’t be FREE for the Churches and thier “leaders.” Just think, if we taxed the churches, I would imagine that would pay for quite a few essential community services.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:53 pmThe Good Book also says to stone adulterers. Will he be applying that in his church (intentional little c) next Sunday ?
November 30th, 2009 at 4:02 pm“The bill also proposes up to three years of imprisonment for anyone who “fails to report within 24 hours the identities of everyone they know who is lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender, or who supports human rights for people who are…”
The Inquisition is revving It’s motor.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:11 pmLooks like we’re heading for a New Dark Age.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:16 pm“Homosexuals are recruiting in Africa”
What does one say to total ignorance . .
November 30th, 2009 at 4:36 pmRepugs and wingnuts would love to have this law on the books in the U.S.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:36 pmLiz, I found that line to be just beyond stoopid.
C’mon! Join the Homo Army as we march buttward!!
Geez. What a bunch of homoparanoid schmucks.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:41 pmWarren is a charlatan. He talks a good game to his followers, but in reality he is a powerful demagogue. Obama knew what he was doing in asking him to deliver the invocation at the Inauguration – it enhanced Obama’s image to the followers of Warren without giving Warren any more than one hour of prominence on that day.
Religion is a powerful force in the lives of so many — too bad its narrow and selective view on the supposed “word of God” (which is my god, not your god) does not always take people in the right direction.
Everyone here knows that my belief is that if religion were suddenly to be eliminated from the world, we’d have peace and harmony.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:45 pmHe’s probably waiting for all the Democrats in Congress to condemn it first.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:46 pmWarren uses a lame excuse as he does “not take sides” — as a pastor, isn’t one supposed to take sides? Against bigotry? And advocate for all-encompassing brotherly love?
November 30th, 2009 at 4:48 pmWarren reiterated, “As a pastor, my job is to encourage, to support. I never take sides.”
How does one accomplish “supporting,” while not taking sides?
Anyone?
November 30th, 2009 at 4:56 pmUganda is where “family” member Inhofe has been spending the time and money of Oklahomans,
November 30th, 2009 at 5:08 pmwhile the children of his own state rank next to last in achievement.
Tulsa Public Schools are facing an eight to ten million dollar cut for the remaining school year.
There are now 223 different gangs in our county, recruiting children as young as eight years old.
There’s plenty of souls to save in your own backyard, Jimmy.
Anyone?
—
November 30th, 2009 at 5:12 pmSo this charleton has no issues with your next late term abortion….
Hey vote down baby. What up my sissy friend?
November 30th, 2009 at 5:13 pmCAPTION: “I tell ya, Lord, that fish was that long…”
(and other lies)
November 30th, 2009 at 5:15 pmIt’s not about the Lord’s work but more about donations to the church. Look all these Religious Leaders are in the job for the big bucks and will tell you anything and everything. Now if they were asked to preach for free they would fine a new job. Check out the homes, cares and rich life style the donations give them. It’s all about the money and using God’s name pays alot. But for those who have read the Bible Jesus did say this would happen and it has. Now even Rev. Huck has seen what God does when you use His Name in vain. Can anyone say another Willie Horton, now Rev. Hucks nightmare come true.
November 30th, 2009 at 5:25 pmWhile I can understand the Reverend’s claim about not wanting to dick around in another country (something real unusual in the US) he is sending a real pastoral message to his flock. ‘Don’t worry about what happens anywhere else, just cover your own ass’.
Straight from the Jeebus Chronicles.
November 30th, 2009 at 5:38 pmShouldn’t they be more properly called “Leviticans?” I don’t remember “the Savior” saying anything about gays.
November 30th, 2009 at 5:40 pm“Oh teabag in sky,
November 30th, 2009 at 5:46 pmAllow my hands to guide thee
To accept my kiss…”
Televangelists….Another example of capitalism at its worst.
November 30th, 2009 at 5:50 pmWarren truly is an abomination.
November 30th, 2009 at 5:58 pmWarren is palling around with terrorists.
November 30th, 2009 at 6:01 pmThat fat phuck could improve himself by doing some real work…dig a ditch, mop a floor, carry something besides fear and greed.
November 30th, 2009 at 6:14 pmOops, I guess ralph et al got there before I did. :|
November 30th, 2009 at 6:15 pmdbadass says:
So this charleton has no issues with your next late term abortion….
November 30th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Not if it’s a gay fetus.
November 30th, 2009 at 6:16 pmRick Warren is what Jerry Faklwell would have been had Falwell had any concern for how mainstream America viewed him.
Warren has dialed down the sanctimony from eleven to about eight, and he’s toned down the smarmy smile by about the same amount.
His appetite at the dinner table seems about the same.
November 30th, 2009 at 6:36 pmI really am getting worried about bits’s well being.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:25 pmdbadass @ 75′
November 30th, 2009 at 7:37 pmbit may have just vertured into Uganda. Just saying
I’ve had enough of this smiling snake who says nice things but acts like a rightwing extremists in his actions. Even Hitler smiled when he was talking to people he was trying to convince he was just a kindly middle aged German leader. I’m not saying Rich Warren is Hitler, but he’s no saint either. The media has made him into something he’s not.
November 30th, 2009 at 9:21 pmbarfly says:
——————————————————————————–
What Warren is doing, whether he knows it or not, is refusing to condemn a piece of legislation that turns American ideals of law on their head, simply so he can have further access to Ugandans for religious prosytletization. Someone should ask: would you be in favor of such legislation in the US? And if not, why.
November 30th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
…is refusing to condemn a piece of legislation that turns American ideals of law on their head,…
What? Homosexuality is an American ideal?
You do know that TJefferson drafted legislation in VA that proscribed mutilation as punishment for the crime of sodomy don’t you? Amazingly most TPers consider TJ to be rather bright.
Further, homosexuality was a crime in most states of the U.S. until 2003. It was a crime that was usually unenforced because most citizens considered the behavior to be punishment in and of itself; that is, homosexuality is usually believed to be characteristic of very unhappy individuals. This last sentence is, of course, bit’s opinion.
Seems to bit that an appropriate question would be, “Do the Ugandans know something we – the U.S. – doesn’t know?”
November 30th, 2009 at 9:21 pmdbadass says:
——————————————————————————–
I really am getting worried about bits’s well being.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
bit’s fine. Thanks for the conern.
November 30th, 2009 at 9:24 pmConern|concern? Whatever!
November 30th, 2009 at 9:26 pmbitblt says:
Seems to bit that an appropriate question would be, “Do the Ugandans know something we – the U.S. – doesn’t know?”
November 30th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Did you attend the same schools as GWB?
On any other issue, you’d be dismissing anything the Ugandans thought or did, but when it comes to teh gay, you’re all
out of the closetover it.Paging Dr Freud…
November 30th, 2009 at 9:46 pmFrom the link above
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8308912.stm
1.61% of the population in Uganda is gay? Did they count them or is this an estimate?
November 30th, 2009 at 9:46 pmbitblt says:
1.61% of the population in Uganda is gay? Did they count them or is this an estimate?
November 30th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Jeebus. From the article you quote: “There are estimated…”
Don’t you read the shit you quote?
November 30th, 2009 at 9:49 pmZooey says:
——————————————————————————–
bitblt says:
1.61% of the population in Uganda is gay? Did they count them or is this an estimate?
November 30th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Jeebus. From the article you quote: “There are estimated…”
Don’t you read the shit you quote?
November 30th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
If the estimate had been made using percentages from the U.S., it would have been at least 2.8%, 868,000 people out of the 31,000,000 population. Why is the estimate so many fewer in Uganda?
November 30th, 2009 at 10:12 pmbitblt says:
Why is the estimate so many fewer in Uganda?
November 30th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
Ummmmm, let’s see…….people in Uganda will be killed or spend their lives in prison, if they admit to being gay.
Ok, I gave you one. Let’s see if you can come up with another reason why the percentages might be different in Uganda.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:36 pmF uck you, Tracist.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:38 pmbit my man! It is god damned good to see ya!
November 30th, 2009 at 11:38 pmI see no reason for #79 to have been voted down other than just meanness.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:40 pmWhy is the estimate so many fewer in Uganda?
November 30th, 2009 at 11:43 pm—-
I think it is the soy…
bitblt says:
If the estimate had been made using percentages from the U.S., it would have been at least 2.8%, [...]
I have no idea where you got that number -out of your rear-end, most likely, as there are no reliable figures for the any population anywhere, the US included.
Estimates vary by country and region/city within each country: San Francisco has one of the highest concentrations of gay/lesbians/bisexuals in the US, for example.
Here, for your edification:
CNN exit polling showed self-identified gay, lesbian, and bisexual voters at 4% of the voting population in the United States presidential election, 2008.
Estimates of the occurrence of exclusive homosexuality range from one to twenty percent of the population, usually finding there are slightly more gay men than lesbians.
You’re welcome.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:01 amThe thing I find most baffling is that this proposed law would supersede the laws of other nations that have no laws banning homosexuals or homosexual acts…and yet Rick has no problem with that.
“Not taking sides?” I’m sorry; I have to call malarkey on this one. By not coming out (pun not intended) and denouncing this, in my opinion quite the evil law being proposed, you are agreeing with its authors.
It is because of sanctimonious hypocrites like Rick is the reason why I am an Atheist. Sometimes I yearn for the days that Christians were fed to the lions…and hope for their return.
Tax The Church!
GF42
December 1st, 2009 at 2:03 ambitblt says:
barfly says:
——————————————————————————–
What Warren is doing, whether he knows it or not, is refusing to condemn a piece of legislation that turns American ideals of law on their head, simply so he can have further access to Ugandans for religious prosytletization. Someone should ask: would you be in favor of such legislation in the US? And if not, why.
November 30th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
…is refusing to condemn a piece of legislation that turns American ideals of law on their head,…
What? Homosexuality is an American ideal?
You do know that TJefferson drafted legislation in VA that proscribed mutilation as punishment for the crime of sodomy don’t you? Amazingly most TPers consider TJ to be rather bright.
Further, homosexuality was a crime in most states of the U.S. until 2003. It was a crime that was usually unenforced because most citizens considered the behavior to be punishment in and of itself; that is, homosexuality is usually believed to be characteristic of very unhappy individuals. This last sentence is, of course, bit’s opinion.
Seems to bit that an appropriate question would be, “Do the Ugandans know something we – the U.S. – doesn’t know?”
Do you know WHY gay people might be depressed? Let me give you a personal perspective. They’ve been told that they are abominations, that they deserve whatever they get, gay children hear everyday on the playground, “That’s gay,” children are bullied by people who suspect that they are gay, gay folk have a choice if they do not feel safe: they can come out and risk physical and emotional harm or they can hide it inside, denying themselves the right to formulate and nurture their own identities, not staying true to themselves.
It’s not homosexuality that causes depression, it’s HOMOPHOBIA and the guilt trip and marginalization that causes it. Have you thought of it that way?
You consider yourself pro-life, but your callousness towards people whom you consider to be tainted reveals the true nature of your soul, pious and sanctimonious you may claim to be…
December 1st, 2009 at 2:38 am.
… Because being a good Christian is never about being your brother’s keeper, YES?
.
December 1st, 2009 at 3:52 amLORD!…help them….
oh, that’s right….no lord, no help. Just self serving b.s.
Unreal there are SO many small minded (?’s) among us.
Be great to see a bunch of people marching around his church with signs saying, “Thanks for the hate! We love you!”
Kinda like those satirists, “Wealthcare for Billionaires” group.
December 1st, 2009 at 4:14 amokie dokie says:
“Uganda is where “family” member Inhofe has been spending the time and money of Oklahomans…”
“The Family” is a powerful political lobby group with tentacles that reach around the globe. Along with the aid of prominent American government officials and associates like Mr. Warren, The Family appears to be playing their own kind of god by influencing foreign government policies through their “missionaries” and through visits like the frequent-flying Inhofe. This group strives through secrecy.
Some members of The Family whose names you might recognize:
Brownback, Inhofe, DeMint,Grassley,Lugar,Ensign,Coburn,Mark Pryor, Bill Nelson, John Thune, Mike Enzi, Bart Stupak.All of these men are current lawmakers.
Gov. Mark Sanford is a member as were former Executive Branch critters John Ashcroft, Dan Quayle, James Baker, Bud McFarlane, Ed Meese and Melvin Laird (the man who is credited with persuading Ford to pardon Nixon)
Rick Warren is (no surprise) also a prominent influence in Rwanda through missionaries and contact with their Govt officials.
This group has been around for decades gaining power and influence within our Government. Mostly hardcore righties and fundies but there are several Blue Dogs who are involved with this group as well. They are not a church but more a political group with a strong regressive agenda and enjoy many influential ears to whisper into in DC to change policy to suit their desires (Stupak Ammendment anyone?).
A harsh light needs to be shone on this dangerous international organization.
December 1st, 2009 at 9:06 am#91 – Gregor Samsa says:
——————————————————-
“You’re welcome.”
December 1st, 2009 at 12:01 am
Don’t waste your breath. Bitbit has already shoved his head in the sand and refuses to see the truth. Bitbit has swallowed the lies about gay people, and won’t change his mind for the truth for any reason at all.
I do applaud your attempt at straightening out Bitbit’s thinking and his false assertions though, pun intended.
December 1st, 2009 at 9:28 amGregor Samsa says:
bitblt says:
If the estimate had been made using percentages from the U.S., it would have been at least 2.8%, [...]
I have no idea where you got that number -out of your rear-end, most likely, as there are no reliable figures for the any population anywhere, the US included.
Estimates vary by country and region/city within each country: San Francisco has one of the highest concentrations of gay/lesbians/bisexuals in the US, for example.
Here, for your edification:
CNN exit polling showed self-identified gay, lesbian, and bisexual voters at 4% of the voting population in the United States presidential election, 2008.
Estimates of the occurrence of exclusive homosexuality range from one to twenty percent of the population, usually finding there are slightly more gay men than lesbians.
You’re welcome.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:01 am
Don’t believe bit will be thanking you for your sketchy references on the stats related to the number of homosexuals in the population.
I have no idea where you got that number -out of your rear-end, most likely, as there are no reliable figures for the any population anywhere, the US included.
bit doesn’t usually create his own numbers though he doesn’t always remember the source of his numbers he cites. In the case of 2.8% of the population being homosexual, bit does remember.
An article had the following information:
On page 16 of a “friend of the court” brief filled with SCOTUS on March 26, 2003, in the Lawrence vs. Texas case – the Texas sodomy case, footnote 42 notes that 31 homosexal and pro-homosexual groups admitted the following.
(Did you get that? This information comes from a court brief by those promoting homosexuality. bit doesn’t know why the unnamed writer of the article choose to not mention the name of the brief.)
Laumann, Edward O., John H. Gagnon, Robert T. Michael, and Stuart Michaels (1994), The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United States (Chicago, IL: University of Chicago Press).
December 1st, 2009 at 11:46 am#98 – bitblt says:
—————————————————
“The most widely accepted study of sexual practices in the United States is the National Health and Social Life Survey (NHSLS). The NHSLS found that 2.8% of the male, and 1.4% of the female population identify themselves as gay, lesbian, or bisexual (Laumann, et al., 1994). ”
December 1st, 2009 at 11:46 am
Interesting that this doesn’t mention the other 17.2% of men and 18.6# of women that don’t “identify themsleves” as gay, lesbian or bisexual.
I guess when people don’t admit it, then it is ignored. That means that 100% Republicans are faithful to their wives/husbands. Until they get caught at it.
Sen. Vitter was 100% faithful. Until he “identified himself” as a cheater.
Until the stigma of being gay is eliminated, statistics of sexuality among the population cannot be confirmed with any degree of accuracy.
December 1st, 2009 at 11:59 amThe most widely accepted study of sexual practices in the United States is the National Health and Social Life Survey (NHSLS). The NHSLS found that 2.8% of the male, and 1.4% of the female population identify themselves as gay, lesbian, or bisexual (Laumann, et al., 1994).
Laumann, Edward O., John H. Gagnon, Robert T. Michael, and Stuart Michaels (1994), The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United States (Chicago, IL: University of Chicago Press).
So we leave behind if your numbers are correct (they do not take into account those who choose NOT to identify themselves as GLBT because of homophobia) 2.8% of the population?
December 1st, 2009 at 5:44 pmBit it is time for you to face facts. You are stupid and you are a hateful bigot. Those are the ONLY things that you show in your ignorant posts. You regurgitate biased ignorant propaganda and it makes all decent human beings sick to their stomachs. You are an embarassment to all decent Christians everywhere.
December 4th, 2009 at 5:50 am