Hatch: If GOP Controlled Government, We Would ‘Get This Country Under Control’
Hatch: If GOP Controlled Government, We Would ‘Get This Country Under Control’
Last night, Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) delivered an hour-long speech on the Senate floor condemning the Democratic health care reform bill and accusing Democrats of displaying “the arrogance of power” in trying to pass health reform before the holiday recess. Hatch predicted that if Republicans had 60 votes and control of all three branches of government, they would “get this country under control”:
This will become one more example of the arrogance of power being exerted since the Democrats secured a 60-vote majority in the United States Senate and took over the House and the White House. I dream some day of having the Republicans have 60 votes. I’ll tell you one thing, I think we would finally have the total responsibility to get this country under control and I believe we would. But we never come close to that. There are essentially no checks and balances found in Washington today just an arrogance of power with one party ramming through unpopular and devastating proposals on after the other.
Watch it:
Republicans controlled for years — but their agenda of tax cuts for the super rich did little to “get this country under control,” so to speak. Throughout the Bush administration, “the median household income declined, poverty increased, childhood poverty increased even more, and the number of Americans without health insurance spiked.”
Republicans ignored the health care crisis. Throughout the years of Republican dominance, the rate of uninsurance grew and employer-sponsored insurance continued to erode. “When Clinton left office, the number of uninsured Americans stood at 38.4 million. By the time Bush left office that number had grown to just over 46.3 million, an increase of nearly 8 million or 20.6 per cent.” Between 2001 and 2005 — when Republicans had majorities in both chambers of Congress — the number of uninsured employees grew by 3.4 million and employer-sponsored health insurance premiums grew by no less than nine percent each year, while wages only grew between 2.2% and 4.0% each year. (In fact, the share of Americans who received health insurance through their employer declined every year of his presidency.)
In fact, during a recent exchange on CNBC, Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) asked Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) why Republicans didn’t address the health care crisis during their years in power. “I will have a moment of bipartisan agreement,” Ryan said. “We should have fixed this under our watch and I’m frustrated we didn’t.”
Cross-posted on The Wonk Room.
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Wow. What a frightening statement. I’m shuddering already.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:08 pmyou had your turn old man,
and it went way beyond screwing the pooch.
it’s not a nation of amnesiacs, orrin – try to get that through your ossified skull, or stfu and stay in UT.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:09 pmThere are essentially no checks and balances found in Washington today just an arrogance of power with one party ramming through unpopular and devastating proposals on after the other.
Yeah, if only they had, like, 8 years at the wheel in order to establish those checks and balances they wanted…
December 4th, 2009 at 8:14 pmWow. It’s like they don’t even remember that they controlled Congress and the White House for the bulk of this decade.
Someone ought to have Congressional Republicans checked for faulty memories. Maybe there’s some peeling paint near their table in the cafeteria.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:14 pmI realize the ol’ Orrin is implying that Republicans couldn’t get what they wanted because they didn’t have 60 votes, but… exactly what legislation did they really really want to pass that Democrats were able to block?
December 4th, 2009 at 8:16 pmI’m afraid that this is waaaaaay off topic, sort of, but Kay Bailey-Hutchison gives a tremendous demonstration of the GOoPers ability to deflect any appearance of blame. I would dislike them a lot less if one of them would simply say…
“We screwed up. We’re sorry. We’ll try to do better.”
But? It’s just not part of the character of those who are sticking with the GOP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74aVa8D-i4M
December 4th, 2009 at 8:16 pmBack on topic:
Exactly why would anyone have any confidence in the people who oversaw the biggest financial collapse in 80 effing years?
December 4th, 2009 at 8:18 pmLet’s take a look at what Orrin is saying here:
I dream some day of having the Republicans have 60 votes. I’ll tell you one thing, I think we would finally have the total responsibility to get this country under control and I believe we would. But we never come close to that. There are essentially no checks and balances found in Washington today
So basically, Orrin is saying that it would be cool that there were no checks and balances as long as Republicans were the ones not being checked and balanced.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:20 pmWhat’s the deal with these Turnip Truck Republicans? They all seem to think that history began on Jan 20 2009. It’s amazing they can even recognize their own families.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:22 pmI see no evidence of humanity, of ethics, of morality, of intelligence. Just a shameless display of the worst of a strong defense being a strong offense, except their offense makes no sense. Perhaps they are remnants of pre-Neanderthals or CroMagnon man.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:28 pmmaybe the gop should pack up their show and take it overseas somewhere that they can be the only party, then they can demonstrate to us how awesome it would be if they ran everything.
whaddya say, Cambodia? need a bunch of old white guys in suits to make all your wildest dreams come true?
December 4th, 2009 at 8:28 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
cg – brilliant as always.
you really wow me.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:29 pm“Hatch: If GOP Controlled Government, We Would ‘Get This Country Under Control’”
Yup, and this country would be the United Snakes of Moronica: Land of the theives, home of the slaves. We would live in a country full of diaper Dave Vitters, sinner Ensigns, and wingnuts. Very frightening and God help us if the GOP controlled the government.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:31 pmSen. Oral Snatch is a Morman phucktard, useless, retarded a$$licking, shit stainded, puck-breath POS.
I could go on with this…
December 4th, 2009 at 8:32 pm.
Dear Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT),
GO TALK TO TIGER ABOUT THAT.
.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:32 pmWell, Orin, it’s not like the Dems are rushing us into an illegal, immoral war on false grounds…..or passing a big give away to phamacutical companies in the middle of the night, or stealing our freedom with an Orwellian named Patriot Act, but I’m sure it hurts not being able to run rough shod over the American people any longer. A$$wipe should crawl back under the rock he should be cowering under.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:33 pmtombaker, I concur. conservative guy is really elevating his game lately.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:37 pmHatch has it backwards. The GOP controlling government is what screws up our nation.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:39 pmAnd from what part of 2001-2008 would he deduce this hypothesis?
December 4th, 2009 at 8:41 pmCG and Orin are so frightened, it makes me want to sneak up behind them and shout BOOO!
December 4th, 2009 at 8:41 pmIf you do, you’re cleaning up the mess when they crap on the floor.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:45 pmThe Dems should be doing what Orin claims…how about single payer health care for all Americans and eliminating those absurd tax cuts for the wealthiest few people in the country, lets see some real job creating (New Deal WPA style), how about some infrastructure building, not just pouring money down some wars in far off deserts.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:47 pmWAY PAST TIME for Orrin to GO. He recently used the phrase “Holy War” to describe efforts to be waged by the GOP against health care reform, and now this.
Go back to the promised land of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, Mr. Hatch, and spend your remaining days lounging around in your holy skivvies.
Seriously.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:47 pmThere is nothing conservative about “conservatives”. They spend money like its going out of style. They promote assassinations and extremism. They wipe their bum with the constitution. They refuse to study history. They refuse to think for themselves. They promote robot candidates. And they are utterly OWNED by giant corporations and refuse to admit that the threw america under the bus years ago.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:48 pmRalph, I’ve had dirtier jobs and the laugh would be worth the clean up.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:49 pmThe scariest thing to me is that I’d bet money (and I NEVER bet money) that Hatch was sincere — at least as much as someone so incomprehensibly delusional as that can be, at least.
As the (UK) English like to say, “Further commentary would be superfluous…”
December 4th, 2009 at 8:49 pm#22. ralph the wonder llama says:
They already crapped on the Constitution; who the hell’s going to clean THAT up?
December 4th, 2009 at 8:50 pmThere are essentially no checks and balances found in Washington today just an arrogance of power with one party ramming through unpopular and devastating proposals on after the other.
That pretty much sums up the way the Repubs behaved when in power during the Bush years. Going so far to threaten the Nuclear Option eliminating the fillibuster.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:54 pmLet’s really scare Orin with some serious trust busting and regulation of the financial industry, the media conglomerates and the insurance monopolies.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:54 pmralph the wonder llama says:
Wow. It’s like they don’t even remember that they controlled Congress and the White House for the bulk of this decade.
I don’t think they want to remember, because it reminds them of what a shi**y job they did. I recall that they claimed to have “learned their lesson” after getting their asses whipped in the ‘06 election. Yeah…sure.
It’s the same with the Bush presidency…mention Bush in virtually any discussion and the Republicans want to change the subject. Yeah…let’s pretend it didn’t happen. “George Bush? Who dat?” Given the utter failure he was, I don’t blame them for wanting to forget.
In a twist of irony, the Republican party itself proves that they accomplished virtually nothing from 2000 to 2008. Just check their web site, gop.com, and go to the “Republican Accomplishments” section. Not one item that benefits the majority of Americans and makes our daily lives any better. Instead, their “accomplishments” are two wars, tax cuts, and school vouchers for DC area school children.
Looking back further, during the Republican’s control of Congress from 1994 until Bush was appointed, they “accomplished” the Contract with America and welfare reform.
And finally, Reagan had a grand total of two (2) accomplishments: tax cuts and speaking the words “Tear down this wall.”
December 4th, 2009 at 8:57 pmconservative guy says:
What is frighting is having democrats in control.
1. 9/11
2. Hurricane Katrina
3. Iraq Invasion
4. Economic collapse
And that’s just the highlight reel of the last time the electorate made the mistake of letting Republicans try to “govern.”
What’s so much worse than that? Health care reform? Regulating Wall Street?
December 4th, 2009 at 8:59 pm#31, I believe Bush called their election losses in 2006 “A thumpin’”
December 4th, 2009 at 8:59 pmYeah, if you REALLY had a conservative government, you could have privatized Social Security just before the stock market collapse and turned Medicare over to the health corporations! Deregulate Wall Street some more. Keep minimum wage at $5.15. And ease up on those pollution laws. Then, wouldn’t we all be better off?!
And maybe the invasion of Iran, North Korea, Somalia, Mexico, and Venezuela.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:03 pmYeah Orin, too bad you don’t have 60 Mormons running the country. Think what could be accomplished.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:06 pmNever in a BILLION years would I want a Mormon at the helm of this country.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:06 pmOh, and looking even closer at the Republican accomplishments at GOP.com, read closely the description of Operation Iraqi Freedom.
Damn…talk about your re-writing of history.
Not one word about the “gathering threat” of Saddam or his ties to al Qaeda terrorists and their desire to attack America in the future or their massive stockpiles of WMDs just waiting to be used against America and Saddam’s neighbors.
Instead, it says we invaded Iraq to hold Saddam accountable for “…Iraq’s failure to comply with disarmament and cease-fire terms from the first Gulf War…”
Gee…I thought we already proved that there were no WMDs and that Saddam had indeed disarmed; Bush himself said as much.
Cherry-picking is certainly alive and well at the GOP.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:09 pmIgnoramus, it should be capitalized and be an adjective:
December 4th, 2009 at 9:11 pm“Democratic”
Bad Eye, there WAS a middle-school chemistry class in Baghdad that might have done something with a little more equipment!
December 4th, 2009 at 9:13 pmHarry Mason Reid (born December 2, 1939) is the senior United States Senator from Nevada and a member of the Democratic Party. He is the first member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to serve as Majority Leader.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:18 pmHow about 60 Catholics, or 60 atheists, or 60 Baptists…almost as bad as when the Republicans had control and shoved their delusions upon us all. Let’s stick with the Constitution and defend the rights of all citizens. Let’s also put corporations back down where they belong with no personhood, just a business identity.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:19 pmI didn’t know that Mormon senators were allowed to smoke dope at work. Or take PCP or whatever it is that Hatch is loaded on.
Republicans are such crybabies!
December 4th, 2009 at 9:20 pmAnd while I am on my soapbox…
Again, per GOP.com, one accomplishment of invading Afghanistan was “…liberating 27 million people from Taliban oppression, including giving girls the opportunity to attend school and giving women the right to vote.”
Iraq? We “liberated more then 23 million people.”
And we did this by spending almost a trillion dollars (and this does not count the money spent that the public does NOT know about).
And why did we do this? Why, obviously, because the Iraqi and Afghanistan people have a RIGHT to live better lives.
Yet the Republicans refuse to spend one g-damned dime on a national healthcare plan in America, because unlike those citizens in the two foreign countries we occupy who will repay us with nothing but gratitude, Americans don’t have the RIGHT to live better, healthier lives, because access to affordable healthcare is, instead, a PRIVILEGE.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:21 pmOh, My. God.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
This is just too, too rich!!! Perhaps the good citizens of Utah might want to think twice before they consider re-electing Hatch — because this latest quote suggests that perhaps his age is starting to catch up with him (they do say that the mind is the first thing to go)…
Has Hatch already forgotten the fact that the Republican Party had a near-stranglehold on the U.S. government (White House plus majority control in both houses of Congress) for four of the eight years that Bush was in office??? Did they succeed in getting the country “under control”? (It would not appear so…especially considering the fact that the American people threw a good many GOP Congresscritters out of office in the 2006 elections and returned majority control in at least one house of Congress to the Democrats!) True, they didn’t have a filibuster-proof 60-vote majority, but it could be argued that they didn’t really need one since a good portion of the American people were still staunchly supporting Bush during at least half of this period — the Republicans knew it and were doing everything in their power to bully and browbeat the Democrats at every possible opportunity. In fact, if memory serves — and it usually does — they even discussed abolishing the filibuster which would have made it even more difficult for Democrats to prevent Republicans from ramming through whatever legislation they chose.
Clearly, Hatch has become yet another victim of the pandemic of Freudian projection which seems so prevalent among his fellow conservatives — and if his memory isn’t going (since it seems a little hard to believe that the man’s memory is growing so very poor that he’s lost a whole four years), then it would appear that he’s simply trying for reasons of his own to rewrite history in the hopes that everyone else’s memories of those years will disappear down the good ol’ Orwellian memory hole.
These people have absolutely no shame whatsoever…
December 4th, 2009 at 9:25 pmWell, Keith, then it was all worth it! :)
December 4th, 2009 at 9:27 pmAmerica should never allow ever again…AN EVANGELICAL TO RUN THE COUNTRY!
December 4th, 2009 at 9:27 pmI believe Afghan women COULD go to school and vote in 1979 before we began building up the Taliban.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:27 pmAnd isn’t it great that the guy we put in as prezzy has a brother who is on our CIA payroll who is helping with the drug trade in Afghanistan? The Afghans must be so thrilled with us right now! I’m sure they would never want to go back to 1979 at all!
December 4th, 2009 at 9:29 pm#42 only makes sense as a response to #38.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:32 pmGOOFY OLD CRANK HATCH: I dream some day of having the Republicans have 60 votes. I’ll tell you one thing, I think we would finally have the total responsibility to get this country under control and I believe we would. But we never come close to that.
Dementia marches on…
December 4th, 2009 at 9:33 pmHatch is reliving in his fantasies the glory days of the Republican party when they controlled all 3 branches under GWB. Either he forgot or he thinks that voters forgot about those years. This is what happens when voters elect the senile.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:34 pmHeh. Must be good shit.
(RIP George Carlin)
December 4th, 2009 at 9:36 pmThroughout the Bush administration, “the median household income declined, poverty increased, childhood poverty increased even more, and the number of Americans without health insurance spiked.”
yea, so what’s the point? That is exactly what hatch and all republicans/conservatives mean: rip-off the poor to enrich the filthy rich.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:37 pm“Last night, Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) delivered an hour-long speech on the Senate floor…”
Does anyone know if there were any Democratic Senators present who responded to this…drivel?
December 4th, 2009 at 9:44 pmIndeed, they do have no shame. More proof:
A bit off topic, but did you guys hear about the mayor of a small western Tennessee town posting on his Facebook page that he accuses Obama of purposely timing his announcement of the Afghanistan surge so that it interrupted ABC’s broadcast of “A Charlie Brown Christmas”?
He accuses Obama, a “Muslim,” of wanting to block the Christian message expressed in the cartoon. He also says that the Obama supporters need to move to a Muslim country.
You can find more here.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:45 pmMeth problem in Utah?
December 4th, 2009 at 9:46 pmKayInMaine,
No, I don’t think they could have supplied 100% of the world’s heroin needs back in 1979. From the Wiki:
When the PDPA rose to power in Afghanistan they moved to prohibit traditional practices which were deemed feudal by the party. They banned bride price and forced marriage among others and the minimum age for marriage was raised. The government stressed education for both women and men, they also set up literacy programmes in the country.[16] These new reforms were not well-received by the majority of the Afghan population (particularly in rural areas). As many saw it was un-Islamic and was seen as a forced approach to western culture in Afghan society as many tribal societies in Afghanistan tend to be conservative.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:46 pmJane E. Schneider says:
“Last night, Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) delivered an hour-long speech on the Senate floor…”
Does anyone know if there were any Democratic Senators present who responded to this…drivel?
Isn’t it more likely that there were no Senators at all, only a tv camera?
December 4th, 2009 at 9:48 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
One single voter against the ill named, ill conceived Patriot act…Russ Feingold, Democrat. At least the Dems had one.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:53 pmAs I understand the Senate, they usually allocate a block of time for what they call “Morning Business”. This is when they are free to speak on any subject, introduce amendments (which are sometimes entire substitutions of existing bills), and anything that doesn’t have to do with a specific vote or debate. If a Senator wishes to give an “off-topic speech”, you may hear a request “to speak as if in Morning Business.” (I believe in the House, they refer to these kinds of off-topic speeches as “Sepcial Orders”, and they are usually done at the end of the legislative day, and only their friends hang around to pretend to debate them.)
December 4th, 2009 at 9:55 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
jb, I believe Bernie Sanders would have voted against the patriot act if he had been a senator at that time. It took courage to go against the tide, but Feingold did what was right.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:59 pmI’d vote for Russ if he ran for national office regardless of party.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:00 pmBernie seems to be one of the most principled and independent people in the Senate. I wish I could vote for him as well, but feel he is representing my interests. Go Bernie.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:02 pmRight now the only party with a pulse of any kind is the Democratic Party.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:05 pmHow long has it been since Senator Hatch last had a physical, I wonder? Is it possible — seriously — that he’s no longer entirely compos mentis? As preposterous as it seems, my guess is that Senator Hatch is completely serious in his belief that one-party rule is somehow bad for the country when Democrats do it but good when the Republicans do it. Not to mention the fact that if the American people had really wanted the Republicans in charge, how can you explain the fact that the GOP got its posterior kicked so hard in the 2006 and 2008 elections??
December 4th, 2009 at 10:06 pmgummitch, I thought of that, too. It’s hysterical to watch these guys perform impassioned speeches, then the camera pans back and there’s like one or two people there.
Hi, Tundra! Hope you and yours had a nice Thanksgiving.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:08 pmgreen says:
jb, I believe Bernie Sanders would have voted against the patriot act if he had been a senator at that time. It took courage to go against the tide, but Feingold did what was right.
If I’m understanding these silly roll call webpages, I believe that Bernie Sanders did vote against it when he was in the house.
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2001/roll398.xml
December 4th, 2009 at 10:08 pmFuzzy Slippers,
Hi. How are you? I’m curious. Where do you get your information about the prejudices of Mormons?
December 4th, 2009 at 10:10 pmIt’s always capitalism for the poor and socialism for the rich
December 4th, 2009 at 10:11 pmI think they think that they are still in charge. They obstruct everything. They offer nothing. They act like it’s 2003. But the problem with this bunch is that they haven’t updated their resume.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:12 pmYou’re done. Go away. Say what you want about W but at least he’s gone away.
By these comments alone (the 8 year stint of Bush was uncontrolled?? We know that– but thanks for agreeing!!) , Hatch shows himself to be an idiot, no understanding, no research, no brain. The GOP had 8 years to exert control & failed miserably. Obama has done more to provide a positive outlook on the U.S. in a few months than Bush did in 8 years.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:14 pmNow, correct me if I’m wrong, but the view from over the pond is that the US right have got themselves in a very difficult position. The argument seems to be that Government is always bad – the market will decide.
Therefore, when the right is in government they logically can’t achieve anything because the underpinning concept of their ideology is government is bad.
Am I wrong here?
December 4th, 2009 at 10:19 pmReally? The parties are the same? So that means you support a woman’s right to an abortion and are thrilled with President Obama? Wow! Excellent.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:19 pmWomen who vote Republican want Orin Hatch to tell them what to do with their bodies.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:23 pmLeft-wing MOONBAT blogs?
You’re asking me? I’m asking you.
Can you cite specific examples for what informs your opinion about the prejudices of Mormons?
December 4th, 2009 at 10:25 pmMen who vote Republican are willing to let Orin Hatch decide what their daughter, wives and Mothers do with their bodies.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:30 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
#84 – HSUK
OK, I’m wrong but why? And this isn’t an attempt to get into a pointless row, I’d like to hear your thoughts.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:34 pmAnd the image of this country under GOP control would be the image of a boot smashing a face into the pavement – forever.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:38 pmIf I’m not mistake in 2000 our country was doing very well until a Republican stole the Office of the President. For 8 years we’ve seen how well that went. We were put in a Recession, thousands of our soldiers died based on lies and we are disliked/distrusted by the World. Now Hatch wants to put the Crime Team back in Office. Let’s see how well that goes?
December 4th, 2009 at 10:40 pmEven the Mormon Church must sleep in the bed its made for itself.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:41 pmFuzzy Slippers,
Hi. How are you? I’m curious. Where do you get your information about the prejudices of Mormons?
I dunno about Fuzzy, but the Mormon Church was the biggest supporter of the Anti-Gay Marriage proposition in California.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:42 pmhmmm – guess I’m gonna get voted down too for my post at 93…
later, y’all.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:44 pm89. HSUK
Yeah I’ve had a beer or two….
Saying that, from what I’ve seen of the right the core argument appears to be based on the idea that government does not deliver efficiently – my shorthand of ‘bad’ was poor and I apologise.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:45 pmThe Mormon Church is not alone in their discrimination against gays. They just spent a helluva lot of money to make it a law.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:46 pmAren’t all Mormons racist homophobes?
Fair enough. You answered the part about the homophobia. And, to a certain extent, I agree that the Mormon Church has a problem with the fact that some people are gay. Personally, I think they need to retreat into their closets and do some private praying for guidance on how to be more tolerant, like Jesus.
Now the part I’m really interested in. What about the “racist” part? What justification do you have to support that contention?
December 4th, 2009 at 10:52 pmanswer the question, or are you unable afraid to acknowledge truth?
UKBristolDave01 was absolutely correct in his statement.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:52 pmThe GOP had EIGHT YEARS to quote, “get this country under control,” Sen. Hatch. And how well did that work out? We are now in the hugest deficit in history. We have more uninsured and unemployed workers than we have since the Great Depression. We are involved in two wars, the rationale for neither being clear at this point. The only “control” was the one Bush-Cheney attempted with their rollback of Constitutional rights, like the right not to have your telephone tapped. But maybe the senator means the GOP would resort to a police state?
December 4th, 2009 at 10:55 pmFuzzy Slippers says:
Oh, and Wayne. Don’t you EVER dare question me again or I’ll shove it up tour azz so hard you’ll be picking it out of your teeth.
Try to understand something right now. When you post comments like the one you did about all Mormons being “racist homophobes”, you better believe I will question you, and I will do it as often as I like until I’m satisfied that you know what you’re talking about. Got it? Good.
I have referred to certain Republican in Congress as racist homophobes because there was justification for doing so. I am interested in your justifications for calling someone that.
BTW, your threats do not frighten me in the least. They do suggest that I have the upper hand in this discussion. Was that your intent? If so, Mission Accomplished.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:56 pmfuzzy nuts is an internet tough guy? Who’d a thunk?
what a pussy.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:57 pmTrolls are ACTUALLY threatening us? WTF? Flag him now!
December 4th, 2009 at 10:59 pmTrolls are ACTUALLY threatening us?
He threatened Wayne, not “us”.
But still flaggable offense.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:01 pmfuzzy nuts is just upset because dbadass and Eugene have made him retrieve their slippers so many times in the past.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:02 pmFlag him now!
Done and done.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:03 pmFlag fuzzy nuts immediatly and do not click on his link.
It is a hackers page. Norton bells are ringing when I clicked on it.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:04 pmHas anyone noticed how desparate the trolls have become? They were an annoyance, now they are down right unhinged. They must be afraid of something. Oh, yeah. CHANGE.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:04 pmHe threatened Wayne, not “us”.
But still flaggable offense.
Gee, thanks, Tundra. ;)
December 4th, 2009 at 11:05 pmHSUK says:
Government can deliver efficient services. A few weeks back I felt quite ill and got an appointment with my local Dr within 3 hours. Going back a few years, I was burgled. The police turned up in 5 hours and a few days later nicked the people who had turned me over. Hell, when I go to a Football match the police control the crowd so it’s safe to take a child with you.
I agree there is room for improvement but to discard the concept of good government makes no sense.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:06 pm101. Fred ♪♫♪ says:
Thanks Fred – your comments and support are appreciated
December 4th, 2009 at 11:07 pmUKBristolDave01, the troll will never discuss this with us. He made his pronouncement and that’s really all he’s got.
Good to have you with us.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:07 pmHSUK, maybe he’s waiting for you to actually answer the question instead of presenting yet another platitude with no meat.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:10 pmFuzzy Slippers says:
Oh, and Wayne. Don’t you EVER dare question me again or I’ll…
ah hahahahaha!!!
you MUST meet ‘dbadass’…
oooooooooohhh…
sorry, but these threats on blind anonymous blogs just crack me up…
and then i flag ‘em…
December 4th, 2009 at 11:10 pmOr maybe I just went for a ciggy HSUK….
December 4th, 2009 at 11:10 pmRepeat Alert for anyone just joining us:
Do not click on fuzzy slippers link in his name.
It is linked to a hacker page.
It set my Norton off immediatly and closed the browser!
December 4th, 2009 at 11:13 pmI agree HSUK but I’m not having a drink at the moment. I can’t sleep. Despite being a dirty lefty I work in the private sector and have quite a bit swirling round in my head at the moment.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:15 pmHSUK, tell us why the gop failed so badly. Do you have any thoughts?
December 4th, 2009 at 11:15 pmeat shit fuzzy nuts. I trust Norton.
I have no reason to trust you.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:17 pm124: HSUK
The reason why that was such a big news story is because it raely happens these days. Football has moved on. Yes the hooligan element does still exist but it’s contained.
Saying that, anyone who thought that West Ham vs. Millwall wouldn’t kick off doesn’t know their history.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:18 pmhatch is such a conservanazi dildo.
How soon the republiKKKlans forget their years of rule. bu$h is probably a fond memory for them.
the KKKonservanazi republiKKKlans had their strangle hold on our country and people got tired of their bu$hit.
Just remember who is voting for progress or yes and who is always voting NO!
buck Fush
December 4th, 2009 at 11:19 pmand you’re known for what? lying? oh, yeah
December 4th, 2009 at 11:20 pmHSUK
No, I don’t work nights. I’m a office boy so I should be 9-5 but it’s not like that at the moment. You know when you work like a man possessed and at the end of it can’t switch off? Well that’s me tonight.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:21 pmEfforts to Strip Health Care Provisions Fall Short
New York Times – Robert Pear, David M. Herszenhorn – 1 hour ago
WASHINGTON – Senate Democrats on Friday beat back Republican efforts to strip out two major provisions of their health care bill that would make deep cuts in payments to private Medicare Advantage plans and [long term care] …
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all 1,624 news articles »
Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, Democrat of Rhode Island, said he had yet to see any instance in which the Republican argument “does not happen to coincide with the interest of the insurance industry.” -NYT
great guy, that sheldon whitehouse…
December 4th, 2009 at 11:21 pmSo, you’re incapable of defending anything you say. Is that because you know you’re wrong or because you just don’t know?
platitudes are childsplay:
HSUK is a child molester. See?
December 4th, 2009 at 11:24 pmBriseadh na Faire says:
hmmm – guess I’m gonna get voted down too for my post at 93…
later, y’all.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
December 4th, 2009 at 11:26 pm~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Don’t take it personally – the trolls come down with VDT (vote down troll) or VDB (vote down baby) as dbadass has diagnosed.
They just arbitrarily ‘vote down’ because they can – it’s the pre-kindergarten game they love to play.
Obviously, quite a bit. You appear weak and your defense is inadequate.
I think we’ve seen about all there is to you, which isn’t much.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:26 pmSeriously? “Cycles” is why the GOP failed so badly?
Pretty fatalistic if you ask me.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:29 pmIf it was possible, I would reach through the video screen of my computer and smack Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) in the back of his head so hard, his teeth would fly out. People like Hatch are the reason why billions of people all over the world are suffering from hunger, homeless, poverty, and injustice.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:32 pmwhich troll was it that used to bold specific letters in their post. This one is a re-tread.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:32 pmLooks like Corporate money buys a vote in Utah with ease, but not much reason, logic or accountability.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:33 pmThey’re as true as your statements which I did ask you to defend and you just came back with more bs.
What’s the difference?
December 4th, 2009 at 11:34 pmUKDave !
i’m desperately seeking a copy of “Muppet Family Christmas”,
supposedly can only find the uncut full version in the UK…
do you know anything about that?
and, is it possible to find a vhs or dvd that is compatible
December 4th, 2009 at 11:36 pmwith machines in the US?
Every day now the gop says something that makes me shake my head and think that there is no bottom to what they will say to win.
And then another day and yet another one goes further into the muck.
I’m thinking America has tired of it. I really hope they bury themselves with it.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:39 pmHere’s the report from Norton on fuzzy slippers link in his name. Do not click on it.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
well, i guess i missed him…
g’nite…
December 4th, 2009 at 11:44 pmWhat is so telling is how the trolls and conservatives always seem to rally the call for less government and “government is bad.” We the People are the government — we elect our representatives who act on our behalf (or supposedly).
Hatch wants control. I think that is key. Efficiency and working for the people are not a part of the neo-con agenda.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:47 pmHow do you decide which words to bold versus which to misspell and which to misspell and bold?
December 5th, 2009 at 12:12 amHA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-
HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-
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That’s the funniest thing I’ve ever heard!
Coming soon to the Comedy Factory, straight from Utah that funny guy, Orrin Hatch.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:13 amTundra,
Thank you for your support. I appreciate it.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:14 amWow…A tough, macho troll threatened Wayne from the safety of his computer which most likely is in his mom’s basement.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:21 amFred ♪♫♪ says:
Flag fuzzy nuts immediatly and do not click on his link.
It is a hackers page. Norton bells are ringing when I clicked on it.
That’s just because he linked it directly to the URL of an embedded java widget at slide.com (a photo/slideshow site), as opposed to properly linking to the page.
No idea what y’all are arguing about though.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:24 amWhy don’t republicans care about the cost of two failed wars yet they are so concerned over the cost of affordable health care for all Americans? Huh? Oh yeah, their guy got us stuck in those two failed wars.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:25 amreally?
how many handles ya been through since ‘02?
December 5th, 2009 at 12:38 amI’ve been here longer than most of you
December 5th, 2009 at 12:43 am—
And why do I care one way or the other?
tombaker, I’m wondering the same thing, too. We’ve been here nearly as long as Zooey. The only troll that I remember who seemed to have it in for Wayne was “Mighty Aphrodite.” :/ Disguising her style, maybe? Oh, well, whoever, they’re still just a troll.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:45 amwho knows jane,
as always, it’s lies piled upon lies, dipped in lies, and wrapped in a whole-grain flatbread of lies with a lie mayo for these tacky, tacky people.
fuzzy saying that is right on par with Hatch implying his poor widdo team never got a fair turn to play conductor.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:48 amIf the Republicans want us to think they are sane they are failing – in a word, Republicans are not acting in good faith.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:51 amThis may seem OT, but I’m just jumping in and haven’t looked at any of the previous comments, yet.
Looks to me like Orrin Hatch has once again taken residence in an alternate reality. Ramming stuff through? Surely he doesn’t mean the Senate, where Harry Reid is doing his damnedest to not leave a trace or a footprint that would indicate that a Democrat has ever been there. The Senate is going to stooge around with health care insurance reform, doing nothing else, to the point where all other potential legislation, which is due to be blocked by the Republipimps anyway, will be overtaken by events and have to be completely redone.
And that remark about bringing the country under control sounds suspiciously authoritarian or totalitarian. This isn’t supposed to be Lockstepistan, Senator.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:55 amMy ears is burnin’…
December 5th, 2009 at 12:55 amand, unfortunately Z, it’s ’cause (just like the rest of the old guard here) you’re getting steadily older.
but, like, in the fine wine sense, of course.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:57 amIs Fizzy Sluppers going to fess up to its old moniker?
December 5th, 2009 at 12:58 amdoubtful – might spoil the lie.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:59 amThanks for reminding me, tombaker.
**weeping**
December 5th, 2009 at 1:00 amwrapped in a whole-grain flatbread
December 5th, 2009 at 1:00 am—-
Wrapped in a vest…
The repiggies had total control of the Congress from 1994, as well as the Presidency from 2001-2009, and look at the calamitous mess they left for Obama and the Dems.
I know that the repiggies don’t “do” history, but there are still quite a few intelligent Americans that “do” history, and will not be snookered by the repiggie fraudmeisters.
December 5th, 2009 at 1:13 am“…you’re getting steadily older.”
I’m with Zooey, thanks for the reminder. And I’m older than Zooey, with yet another b’day coming up too soon!
December 5th, 2009 at 1:14 amJane E. Schneider:
December 5th, 2009 at 1:17 amI don’t suppose you have a favorite skate recipe by any chance?
Before Fuzzy Balls begins to rail against “semi-intelligence,” the little repiggie troll should learn how to spell the words “juvenile” and “knuckleheaded.”
Little repiggie Fuzzy Balls might himself appear a tad more intelligent if the little dear could actually spell those words correctly.
December 5th, 2009 at 1:19 amdb, I’m lucky I know what a skate is, but that’s the limit for me.
December 5th, 2009 at 1:23 amThe first step would have been to introduce legislation into Committee. That never happened so how can he say he is frustrated over something he was perfectly happy with sitting on his hands over.
December 5th, 2009 at 1:24 amSkate should be lightly saute’d and finished with lemon and butter, not fried like Hatch’s brain!
December 5th, 2009 at 1:27 amRepublicants are tyrants. Big tyrants, little tyrants and some medium-sized tyrants for a little variety and flavor. Republicants are sexual tyrants: they want to force pregnant women to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Republicants are imperial tyrants: they want to continue forever the U.S. meddling in third world countries which has been going on since 1898…
December 5th, 2009 at 1:37 amsorry Z – wouldn’t have said anything if i hadn’t become so damned old myself over the last few years.
dbad – how’d the venison turn out?
i’m with K. Vet re: the skate, and i seem to remember a ceviche made with them too…
December 5th, 2009 at 1:44 amThis is utterly amazing.
I’ve tried and tried, and I am completely unable to believe that Hatch honestly thinks this.
I fear I am conditioned to attempt to understand the opposition’s point of view and strive for a meeting of minds. Yet, faced with this, I cannot see how this would be possible.
If he were to honestly believe this, I cannot conceive of a scenario where he could be persuaded to join reality.
If he is willing to adopt this extreme and non-sensical a position knowing it to be false, then it is impossible to ever trust what he says.
I dispair of rational dialog. I find myself unable to think of the Republican party as anything other than entirely peopled by trolls.
I struggle in vain to think of any Republican leader with a shred of rationality left.
December 5th, 2009 at 1:45 amfor a nightcap, here’s an off-color bit of trivia i ran across:
turns out “going rogue” happens to be British slang for unprotected anal intercourse.
December 5th, 2009 at 1:51 amYes, tombaker, that would fit in with the teabagger-in-chief wannabe.
December 5th, 2009 at 1:55 amExley?
That would certainly account for the unwarranted air of condescension.
Quite a bereavement period to have observed – must’ve seen the writing on the wall after the ‘06 vote, huh?
If that’s the case, an ambivalent welcome back to you. There’s quite a bit of slack to pick up around here though – it’s been nothing but the second and third string players from the opposing bench long, long time.
Let’s see if that Buckley-anism can still cut the mustard.
December 5th, 2009 at 1:58 amIt’s as if words themselves don’t really have actual meanings.
When has ‘rogue’ EVER been a particularly good thing to have in charge of anything?
December 5th, 2009 at 1:58 amguess it’s never too late at night for the v.d.t(b).
you know, what with the meth and all…
it’s ok little wolverine – you surrounded us – it’s back to taking microwaves apart to pile in the backyard for you, lil feller.
December 5th, 2009 at 2:02 amI’m coming to the conclusion that Republicans would gladly give up ‘words’ all together and speak only with raw, viceral emotions if they could.
December 5th, 2009 at 2:03 am“flash card politics”? – i’m sure they’d go for it Peter.
in fact, don’t repeat it much, or it might percolate down to them in time to campaign with.
December 5th, 2009 at 2:05 amYet, tombaker, can you think of a campaign where it was otherwise? All they have is flash card politics. What have they said that hasn’t been?
December 5th, 2009 at 2:09 amfor sure – they were one trick ponies long before Paul Simon wrote the song.
December 5th, 2009 at 2:11 amI used to think that perhaps ‘trickle-down economics’ was an actual ‘theory’ that they attempted to cling to using rationality. But, that too was magical thinking, intended to create a ‘feeling’ that ‘taxes are bad’ and without them you got ‘growth’. That is all that Reagan had (along with ‘Soviets are evil’). So, that takes us all the way back to the early 80s. Was there substance before then?
December 5th, 2009 at 2:18 amwell, Nixon was a prick, but he did sign the clean air and water acts, and take up a few other rational policy-related things.
Eisenhower was an R, but fairly pragmatic, and certainly not the rabid poltroon many of his successors have been.
of course, both those guys were kept largely in check by D-dominated congresses…
December 5th, 2009 at 2:29 amI have the feeling that both Nixon and Eisenhower were well to the left of, say, Arlen Specter.
December 5th, 2009 at 2:33 amand most every single R since.
and, every time they fail, they fall for the rubric that the failure was due to failing to pull harder to the right, but that’s a good thing – it’s driving them into fragmented irrelevance.
December 5th, 2009 at 2:35 amPerhaps Eisenhower and Nixon felt at home in the Republican party because they were essentially ‘authoritarians’. Nixon had little use for small-d democracy, and Eisenhower was straight out of a military culture. Eisenhower, at least, seemed inclined to be ‘benevolent’.
December 5th, 2009 at 2:36 amWe still have to find a way to take the power out of their flash cards. But, that too big a task for tonight.
Good night!
December 5th, 2009 at 2:39 amThis story broke late Friday:
Sen.Baucus Nominated Girlfriend for U.S. Attorney
http://www.rollcall.com/news/41188-1.html
December 5th, 2009 at 2:40 amI seem to remember that the Republicans DID take control of the country,
December 5th, 2009 at 3:15 amthrough the Supreme Court with a stolen election,
and kept control with terrorism and Homeland Security,
and then proceeded to steal the country blind.
The GOP’s greed gets out of control when they are in control.
Sen.Baucus Nominated Girlfriend for U.S. Attorney
Let me be among the first to say that if laws were broken, he should go to jail. If Senate rules were broken, he should be disciplined accordingly by, say, having his Senate Finance Committee Chair taken away from him.
December 5th, 2009 at 3:17 amIf the Bush regime’s anti-American agenda is any indication of what this guy is referring to, it appears he is referring to a police state.
December 5th, 2009 at 6:31 amRepublicans ignored the health care crisis.
Even when they had a physician, Frist, as Majority Leader, they did not give a rat’s ass about healthcare except when they could use it as an excuse to provide corporate welfare to drug companies and Medicare Advantage providers.
December 5th, 2009 at 6:40 amIf the GOP controlled the government,
–we would not even be talking about healthcare reform
–we would not even be talking about global climate change
–we would be bombing Iran
–the bills would still be written on K Street and handed in to Congress
–Congress would still be meeting from noon Tuesday to noon Thursday
–the Justice Department would still be prosecuting Democrats over Republicans at a ratio of 6:1
–our wounded vets would still be lying around in their own urine–and no one would know
–you would not be reading this, because the internet would be gone.
The Merchant Who Thought He Was God, an allegory.
December 5th, 2009 at 7:10 am“Hatch predicted that if Republicans had 60 votes and control of all three branches of government, they would “get this country under control”:”
Jahwol, mein Fuhrer!
Actually, he’s probably right. Did you ever notice how easy it is to control a car in the moments after it is rammed into a bridge abutment? Or how easy it is to control a grizzly bear after it’s dead?
It’s instructive to note that he didn’t mention anything about putting the country on its proper footing or actually doing anything to improve it. He just promised to get it under control.
Control is why two guards are provided to escort the condemned to his execution. Control is the raison d’ etre for coercive power. Hatch’s party aspires to nothing else.
We should thank him for his moment of revealing lucidity.
December 5th, 2009 at 8:33 amNever was there a greater “Arrogance of Power” than under the Cheney/Bush administration. They tried, as Tom Delay admitted, to establish a bureaucratic dictatorship that would eventually make our rights as Americans null and void.
These republican dildos continue to play the game of opposites, in which they attribute to democrats those qualities that republicans espouse.
December 5th, 2009 at 8:50 amOK teatards, you had plenty of time to prevent all the problems before the below disasters became unmanageable. Failure will always because of idiots running a real government.
December 5th, 2009 at 9:09 amThe WTC disasters:plenty of written warnings about rogue bombers.
The failed wars.
The failed Katrina.
Fail WTC hole.
The newspaper failed.
The billions of “throw around” money, truckloads to be had by all of chimpy’s uneducated crooks.
The failed big tax breaks he’d doled out to his wealthy. unexperienced cronies.
The failed policies of Shock and Awe. The horror of his cowboy doctrine based on revenge and ignorance.
The failed policies of not counting the lost of civilians. From the beginning it was told to us, by a general no less, that the other side casualties didn’t matter. This by itself is dastardly and evil.
The failed policies of consistence lies and deceit. Too many to list
The failed policies of tortured, thuggery based on episodes of “24.” .
Diplomacy is a doesn’t work because the USA is the “Biggest” power on earth. That sentence makes sense to the teatards.
The failed policies NCLB. Socialism? Maybe government is too big? No.
No, it’s, you, the repugs who are holding up anything good and decent for the People. You teatards march against your self interests and for your narcissist “leaders.” Your leaders are counting on the mindless to make grunting sounds. You scream and shout nonsense believing its discourse and it’s about freedom of speech.
No need in going over the fact with you teatards, I’m glad you are in the minority.
repugs don’t have a plan to make the world better or to move us forward. Their answers to viable questions are sad and and predicable. Their isn’t a viable repug candidate who’s comparable to the dems.
It’s not the dems who are holding up good policies it’s the teatard followers and their leaders’ idiocy. It’s hard to believe that ALL the teatards are willing to jump off with the idiots. Their isn’t one teatard who’s willing to help their district’s sick and needy? Everything is for sale with repugs’ failed policies that hasn’t work YET.
The few dems who want to playing “who wants to be a dummy” will get enough wanted attention during their next run.
Oh God, fuzzy slippers? How unintentionally gay is that name? Fuzzy, your closet is showing.
December 5th, 2009 at 9:19 amHatch is a great commedian. Look at that deadpan.
December 5th, 2009 at 9:23 amIt is complete insanity for the wingnuts that put this country on this path to destruction to claim that they have the answers to fix it with more of the same. Go straight to hell, Hatch. Do not collect $200!
December 5th, 2009 at 10:05 amHatch needs to be excommunicated from the MORMONS and have is second “M” rescinded.
MORON.
And TRAITOR, who supported the TREASON of Bush and Cheney.
December 5th, 2009 at 10:27 amThink Progress needs to get its quotes straight.
What Orrin Hatchpot actually said was: “If We Controlled the Government, We Would Get This Country Under the Control of Crackpots.”
A minor correction but very important in understanding its meaning.
December 5th, 2009 at 10:36 amdead thread, so why not…
this letter-to-editor appeared in my local paper…
i must share parts of it, edited for length only…
Obama care not true reform
In response to the lengthy letter advocating a complete overhaul of the present health care system by Obama care, I have this to say:
First of all my name is not Mr. P. It is Charles Pirozzoli or in this case Mr. Pirozzoli.
Secondly, I do sell health insurance, but that does not guarantee that I get health insurance. In fact, my wife and I have several pre-existing conditions that disqualify us from heath insurance and we are also members of the Effingham community. Also, I have a daughter who is divorced, with three children, and she doesn’t have health insurance. My daughter’s ex-husband has the children covered, but that doesn’t help her. So, my daughter, my wife and myself are in the same boat as you and 47 MILLION OTHER PEOPLE.
That being said, I still stand by my letter of Nov. 5. Health care doesn’t need an overhaul. It just needs to be tweaked.
[so sorry that i missed both of those letters... my mom saves the opinion page for me and misses some...
also, he makes it sound like being a member of the effingham community is an insurance dis-qualifier...]
The reason being Obama care is not true health care reform. Obama care is a tax and spend bill, as well as a way to control your everyday life, under the guise of health care reform. How else do you explain all the meetings behind closed doors or the urgency to get this bill passed before the lawmakers have time to even read the bill? Why else would it be almost 2000 pages long? They want money, and they want control.
[i'm having trouble finding what to edit out... this letter is so rich with mis-information... wonder which fox-bot is HIS favorite...]
more below:
December 5th, 2009 at 10:39 amI will address the issue of controlling your daily living first. Once the government gets you on the health care rolls, you are at their mercy about what you can eat as well as other aspects of your life. We don’t need the Federal Government to tell us that items you buy in a vending machine can be detrimental to your health.
Let me ask you, would you buy a car that you wouldn’t know anything about? You wouldn’t know the color [etc]. Would you buy a house sight unseen? I doubt you would do either. So, how can you go along with a bill that is going to cost over a trillion dollars sight unseen or better yet unread by some of our esteemed members of Congress and state senators.
If the government figures are true about 47 million are not having insurance. There are cheaper ways to get them insurance than overhaul the whole system. Help get them insurance, but leave everybody else alone. It surely can be done without taking over 1/6 of the American economy.
Yes, the VA is a blessing to some. [...] My father is an 85-year-old veteran from World War II. He recently had some health issues and went to the local VA. Guess what, he had to go his private doctor to get the issues resolved. I don’t know about you, but I will take my chances with my local doctor.
December 5th, 2009 at 10:39 amYou talk about people losing their jobs, thus losing their health care. Why do you think they have lost or are losing their jobs? Have you ever heard of the housing crisis due to bad loans forced on the banks by the federal government, the same federal government you want to take over health care. You name me something, other than maybe the military, the federal government runs that is effective or efficient. The federal government is an endless black hole money pit.
There is also the fear of more taxes brought on by the stimulus package and the cost to fund this health care package. The government has admitted that there are going to be more taxes. But, they don’t tell you how much and how many taxes there are going to be. Mark my word there will more taxes that you can shake a stick at. How else do you explain items in the bill that are not health care related? All this is tax-and-spend health care. This does not include the perks that were given to some Democrats for their home districts to get them to vote for the health care bill, and besides, I don’t want my grandchildren (I have seven) to have to pay on this boondoggle.
Have you heard unemployment is 10.2 percent not counting those who have stopped looking for work and just plain given up? More taxes mean more unemployment and more people losing the insurance they have.
In closing, I would like to say if this health care bill is as good for the American people as Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid nd members of congress say it is, then let [them] step up to the plate and subject themselves to the same standard of health care they expect the American people to live with. I doubt they will do this because they know it isn’t going to be that great.
Charles Pirozzoli
December 5th, 2009 at 10:41 amEffingham [IL]
… talk about “lengthy”… sorry for that… but you gotta eat the whole thing to truly appreciate the flavors…
in case you haven’t guessed, fox and rush are pervasive here…
the local paper, while getting a bit better, from the bits i do read, is not much of a help to educating the citizens…
they allow a prolific letter writer who espouses the nazi-socialist-birther-deather-etc crap, a veteran, no less…
i have also noticed more letters from people who are informed and wise to the righty-frighty lies… a good sign…
myself, i had to take a break from it, so i’m really glad to see others carry on that torch…
a google search on this tool listed him as 62, selling LIFE insurance…
December 5th, 2009 at 10:47 ambut i’m not sure how much good his public show of ignorance will help with his business… he could devote himself to teabaggers i guess… plenty of those around here…
Katy, thanks for that post. It’s kinda the same here in our very Republican state of TN; our paper isn’t much help either, repeating many Republican talking points in their editorial columns. Several years ago one of the editors trashed Gore and global warming in his weekly Tech column in Sunday’s paper (where he normally writes about computers and other electronics). His e-mail is listed at the end of his columns so I wrote him a letter asking him for his sources saying that global warming is a hoax. He replied with one sentence: “Do your own research.” I do know that Drudge is one of the sites he frequents, because he mentioned it in his column once. That says it all.
I wrote him back and said, “Oh, that’s great. You are stating that global warming is a hoax and I am supposed to do the research proving YOU are right?” He never replied.
December 5th, 2009 at 11:17 amPure Chutzpah! After what they did to us????
December 5th, 2009 at 11:26 amBad eye – that’s the kind of thing that should be made public,
providing the editor would publish it…
my own paper’s editor once told me, when i complained about the liars she lets in, that they were entitled to their opinions…
yes! but she shouldn’t PRINT them!
and that’s why, i told her, that i refuse to PAY for those lies…
December 5th, 2009 at 11:28 amThat’s odd my favorite part of my local is the kooky opinion letters and we have some really zany goofballs who write on a regular basis. I rejoice in weirdos. I think their ideas should be published for all to see and chuckle at…
December 5th, 2009 at 11:45 amkaty says:
dead thread, so why not…
this letter-to-editor appeared in my local paper…
i must share parts of it, edited for length only…
This is the typical response from conservatives who try to draw a line between jobs and health care, cap and trade, and every other Dem initiative. The Republicans would like to think that all of these issues are intimately related when they are not. Each issue has different considerations. This type of logic is not new. Consider how many times Republicans say taxes and regulations should be cut as a remedy for almost every issue.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:02 pmGeesh. It really is too damn bad that stupidity isn’t fatal. At the very least – it ought to be very painful. Seriously. *shaking head*
December 5th, 2009 at 12:21 pmI always wonder where all you commie liberals hide during the day now i know LOL . what a bunch of koolaid fed morons you guy’s are.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:30 pmany of you libs have jobs . i seriously doubt it how you liking your new change LOL
December 5th, 2009 at 12:31 pmAny poster calling this healthcare negotiation “Obamacare” is a misinformed wingnut repeating lies.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:32 pmany of you libs have jobs
December 5th, 2009 at 12:33 pm—
Would the answer no even make any sense?
BYE BYE reid BYE BYE pelosi 2010 elections will clean house on the COMIIE libs in congress and the senate
December 5th, 2009 at 12:33 pmI always wonder where all you commie liberals hide during the day now i know LOL . what a bunch of koolaid fed morons you guy’s are.
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The verbage immediately gives you away as a faker. Try to be more subtle and less attention seeking if you want to be believable
December 5th, 2009 at 12:34 pmHow’s the green jobs working out for you bunch of losers LMFAO
December 5th, 2009 at 12:37 pmbetter than ignorance and woman-hating are working for you, homie.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:38 pmhow sad for you you can’t remember anything prior to 1/20/09
it’s that turnip truck syndrome…worse than H1N1.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:39 pmwhich is better than being retarded and dope smoking like you heh tom
December 5th, 2009 at 12:41 pmwhy don’t you guy’s try working and paying taxes instead of looking for free handouts then you could at least do your dope smoking with honor knowing you earned it .
December 5th, 2009 at 12:43 pmOh, good! My favorite troll pratfall is when they call others “morons” in posts otherwise rife with spelling and grammatical errors.
It never gets old.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:43 pmmy goodness. what a sad, hateful dummy.
you should really come around more often.
we can help you with the voices.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:44 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
in the meantime, you concentrate on your tea party activities, and making up some campaign posters for Huck, k?
that’s a 2-fer – ’cause you can huff markers while you help Huck!!!!
special lil feller. this land was made for you and me.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:45 pmi think that you don’t know what any of those words mean dilli.
not saying it’s your fault, just that you don’t know.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:47 pmhave a “special” day, special friend.
i’ve got business and family to attend to.
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i don’t know about you Ralph,
but i love a piping hot cup of teatard for breakfast.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:49 pmtombaker, our new special friend is serving it up with biscuits, ain’t he?
December 5th, 2009 at 12:51 pmsorry dilli,
i limit my exposure to abject stupidity to about 10 minutes a day, and we’re at 9 minutes 50 seconds right now.
like i said – make yourself a regular here, and i’ll never miss a chance to say hi.
dbad and ralph will be more than happy to shine the light in your eyes for now.
tell them about your squirrels.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:52 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Hey, dilli.
I work a forty-hour-a-week job. I earned 100K last year.
You?
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Man this one is so weak as to actually make me feel I should just leave it alone….
December 5th, 2009 at 12:58 pmdilligaffudems says:
ok trolls i’ll bite . i run a small business gross 1.8 million and will not let you trolls take it away without a fight.
If that were true you would be at your business today instead of posting here.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:58 pmdilligaffudems
December 5th, 2009 at 12:59 pmHow do you feel about Bob Barr? I mean for real this is the best you all could do? I mean aren’t there millions of you and all?
dbadass are you talking about your manhood? wrong board for that topic
December 5th, 2009 at 1:00 pmHow much do you take home, dilli? Earnings.
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This new guest seems, like so many others of his ilk, preoccupied with homosexuality and the “manhood” of others.
What could that possibly say about his personal psychology?
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dbadass, I think you’re right. This one is so weak that it might just be better to let nature take its course.
December 5th, 2009 at 1:04 pmWe know, and you have multiple degrees from multiple institutions.
That explains why you’re here and use terminology like the following:
LMFAO
December 5th, 2009 at 1:04 pmYou know, it’s funny you made fun of us for not having jobs, dilli. And yet you were wrong.
You want to know us a little bit before you stereotype us?
December 5th, 2009 at 1:04 pmdid you all catch rachel last night, explaining the history
of the term “teabagger”???
it was great!
i bet dilli missed it… it really is a MUST SEE!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#34283623
ah hahahahaha!!!
December 5th, 2009 at 1:05 pmFred and how much is your un-employment check their fred?
December 5th, 2009 at 1:06 pmYou already did and you continue to kiss the dirt. You’re not going to do anything more than whine, just like you are here this morning.
December 5th, 2009 at 1:06 pmdilligaffudems says:
“ok trolls i’ll bite . i run a small business gross 1.8 million and will not let you trolls take it away without a fight.”
Sure you do. All the conservative trolls who come here, display poor grammar and literacy and yammer on about socialism without seeming to understand its definition are always extremely successful businessmen! Sure. We get it.
December 5th, 2009 at 1:07 pmdilligaffudems
December 5th, 2009 at 1:09 pmSo what product or service does your small business produce/offer? Are aaronk or kwsventure major competitors and if so how do you intend to outdo them in the marketplace?
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Okay, nothing more to say to dilli. He’s not going to sway anyone, and we’re not going to sway him.
Flussssssssh.
December 5th, 2009 at 1:10 pmActually, you embrace the stereotype. We just give it a name.
December 5th, 2009 at 1:13 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Goodbye, dilli. Come back when you get a clue.
December 5th, 2009 at 1:16 pmconservative troll: “most on here are looking for handouts and what the government can give them.”
Farm subsidies, R&D subsidies, testing subsidies, drilling subsidies, off-shore employment subsidies, TARP funds? What kinds of “handouts” are you talking about?
December 5th, 2009 at 1:17 pmIt’s funny. It seems like the more illiterate and misinformed a conservative troll is, the more likely it will be that he claims to be a successful businessman. He can make payroll! He can cut a fine profit! But, he doesn’t seem to know the definition of something as basic as socialism and seems to have a delusional and distorted view of reality.
As we know, guys like that are almost always very successful at business.
December 5th, 2009 at 1:21 pmIf you really have a job you have healthcare and realize that this whole healthare scam is a money and vote grab by the unions and socialist policy makers
December 5th, 2009 at 1:26 pm—
Then it would be really easy for such a smart fellow like yourself to articulate a clear and convincing argument in support of this thesis correct? Why don’t you give that a try and we can all talk about your ideas in more depth.
dilligaffudems says:
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How’s the green jobs working out for you bunch of losers LMFAO
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From a dipsh*t in the minority party that had it’s ass handed to them in the last two elections because of incompetence. Now they act as if they hold the answers to all the crap they created. Go crawl back under your rushpo radio, fool.
December 5th, 2009 at 1:29 pmI’m betting that would interfere with our friend’s agenda.
December 5th, 2009 at 1:31 pmFuzzy Slippers says:
December 5th, 2009 at 1:23 am
Why would I bother remembering a spat with a troll? Obviously it meant something to you. FYI, “Mr Zooey” did not do the leaving.
List some of your former monikers — why do you have so many anyway? Any particular reason, other than being chickenshit?
December 5th, 2009 at 1:37 pmSorry, troll, but no successful businessman types this sentence:
“Fred and how much is your un-employment check their fred?”
In my 40 years of working in business, I’ve never seen a successful businessman who would have typed the above sentence. This is a poser. This is a phony. But, I think most of us know that already.
December 5th, 2009 at 1:40 pmSuch a thread to catch up on.
First, I see HSUCKS is here – I just love his tag.
As for the racism in the mormon church, who knows how much remains today? In the past, they refused to allow blacks “physically” in the church and no black members were allowed at all. Their rediculous teaching includes how the color of your skin dictates how close to God you are. In other words, blacks are as far from god as possible, and brown skinned people are closer than africans but not as close as whites, and if you are white you are closer to God than anyone else.
Now, I’m not a mormon, but I got this from a friend who was an ex-mormon and who’s uncle was a church elder. I’ve also heard this from a few other mormons so either their all into slamming their religion – or it’s true.
December 5th, 2009 at 1:57 pmSay, I have an interesting question:
we know that projection is a common trait among conservatives, right? Y’know, KKKarl Rove accusing Obama of hiding things, Dick Cheney claiming that the president’s policies makes us less safe…
so, when our new little friend here insists on calling the site regulars — those who are capable of partaking in reasonable discussion and do so frequently — “trolls”, do you guys think it’s projection, or is it something much less sophisticated? And by that i mean, he hears the word “troll”, knows it’s an insult even though he dopesn’t know what it means, and so he name-calls because he’s got nothing else to say?
December 5th, 2009 at 1:58 pmToo bad I missed it, this dilli troll reminds me of Ralphie Wiggims. Could have had fun with that one.
December 5th, 2009 at 2:42 pmIf you really have a job you have healthcare and realize that this whole healthare scam is a money and vote grab by the unions and socialist policy makers
I was going to ignore everything dillweed said, but this has got to be one of the most uninformed things he’s said. I do agree that healthcare reform may be a huge scam, but it is most certainly NOT a “money and vote grab by the unions and socialist policy makers.” It’s a money and political influence grab by the health insurance companies who are doing nothing more than trying to protect their huge executive salaries and greed. I really wonder how people like dillweed concluded the unions were behind this.
December 5th, 2009 at 3:00 pmRich H says:
[...] In other words, blacks are as far from god as possible, and brown skinned people are closer than africans but not as close as whites, and if you are white you are closer to God than anyone else.
wow… that’s interesting… and completely opposite of
actual facts, isn’t it?
oh, but i’m conflating jesus with god, aren’t i…
December 5th, 2009 at 3:09 pmHi Katy,
Do You mean my friends were pulling my leg? Or that it’s opposite from facts because what a bunch of bastards us white guys are?
December 5th, 2009 at 3:42 pmI see you retards don’t have jobs. did you guy’s even graduate yet? pull your pants up find a belt to fit in the loops and grow up an try to act like men instead of panty waisted koolaid drinkers
December 5th, 2009 at 6:50 pmdilligaffudems says:
Get a life you trailer trash moron. Your stupidity confirms the death of the GOP.
December 5th, 2009 at 7:00 pmRich H –
neither, actually, i think… heh… your friends are cool…
and not all white guys are bastards…
what i meant was, according to science (!), humans originated in africa… and jesus’ was a brown man from the middle east…
so, THOSE people should be closer to God than anyone else…
because, didn’t god create man in his image…?
something like that…
science… pffft.
December 5th, 2009 at 7:00 pmHatch is absolutely right. So the Democrats won a majority in both Houses as well as the White House, campaigning on a platform of societal and foreign policy change. Big deal. How dare they actually try to implement their campaign pledges?
What do the Dems think this is, a Democratic Republic or something? Don’t they realize that it is unethical and unAmerican to pass legislation that conflicts with Republican ideology?
December 5th, 2009 at 9:26 pmHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Hatch’s party had total control of the government for 8 years and what did they hand Democrats, A mucked economy, a stupid war effort in Iraq when Afghanistan was the central home front of the guys who bombed heck out of New York and the Pentagon. So my own party blew it when they were in charge. While much is to be done by the Democrats, I must say, they seem to be doing better than the Bush folks and the Republican controlled House and Senate. Of course, that is why so many of our party crossed party lines and voted in Democrats in such a wholesale manner. But alas, Republicans still seem intent on ruining our country and moderate Republicans like me will leave the party in droves due to this silly behavior.
December 5th, 2009 at 10:49 pmThe fascist party of America is hellbent on reclaiming power and is willing to use violence to attain it. I can’t wait until these senile pigs croak up and die already.
December 6th, 2009 at 10:47 amYou’ll get it UNDER control???
You’re the as*holes that put it OUT of control.
Shut up and go crawl back under your rock.
December 6th, 2009 at 11:33 am#
dixie blood says:
Sen. Oral Snatch
LOFL!!!!
December 6th, 2009 at 3:01 pmHe’s starting to lose it. Time to retire Orrin, time to retire.
December 6th, 2009 at 9:39 pmYep…y’all had your turn, now; sit down and STFU because the adults need to get back to work.
GF42
December 7th, 2009 at 3:59 amDildoduffems
Good you are monumentally stupid so perhaps you can answer my question. Did you do special drills to get so stupid or take pills or something? I just find it hard to believe any human being could be so stupid and brainwashed without working really hard at it
December 7th, 2009 at 6:59 amSorry Orin scuzzzy, Didn’t we try that under Bush the small minded. The GOParty of NO HAD control of the presidency, the Senate, the House AND the courts (that is how Bush the small minded managed to get SELECTED in the first place)Didn’t work then. Were YOU on drugs or are you jusgt getting senile as NOT to REMEMBER THAT!
December 7th, 2009 at 11:06 am