Flashback: McCain Refused To Grant 30 Seconds Of Time During Iraq War Debate
Flashback: McCain Refused To Grant 30 Seconds Of Time During Iraq War Debate
Yesterday, Sen. Al Franken (D-MN), acting on the orders of the Senate leadership, refused to grant Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) “an additional moment” to continue speaking on the Senate floor after his 10 minutes expired. Franken’s objection caused Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) to groan about how Franken’s move was unprofessional, unprecedented, and disrespectful:
McCAIN: I’ve been around here 20-some years. First time I’ve ever seen a member denied an extra minute or two to finish his remarks. … I just haven’t seen it before myself. And I don’t like it. And I think it harms the comity of the Senate not to allow one of our members at least a minute. I’m sure that time is urgent here, but I doubt that it would be that urgent.
Unfortunately, McCain’s memory is suffering. In fact, McCain has engaged in the very same behavior that he was criticizing Franken for yesterday.
On October 10, 2002 — just ahead of the looming mid-term elections — the Senate rushed a debate on a war authorization giving President Bush the power to use force against Iraq. The resolution ultimately passed the Senate after midnight on an early Friday morning by a vote of 77-23.
During the course of the frenzied floor debate, then-Sen. Mark Dayton (D-MN) spoke in favor of an amendment offered by Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV) that would have restricted Bush’s constitutional powers to wage war against Iraq. After a minute and a half, Dayton ran out of time, prompting this exchange:
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator’s time has expired.
Mr. DAYTON. I ask for unanimous consent that I have 30 seconds more to finish my remarks.
Mr. McCAIN. I object.
Byrd stepped in to grant Dayton time to finish his remarks. But just moments later, Byrd asked for more time to speak for himself. Again, McCain objected, prompting Byrd to chide him for doing so. “This shows the patience of a Senator,” Byrd said. “This clearly demonstrates that the train is coming down on us like a Mack truck, and we are not even going to consider a few extra minutes for this Senator.”
After being publicly shamed, McCain acquiesced to Byrd’s request. But moments later, McCain added this disclaimer: “I wish to say very briefly that I understand people have a desire to speak. We have a number of Senators who have not spoken on this issue. It is already looking as if we may be here well into this evening. From now on, I will be adhering strictly to the rules.” In other words, he acted just like Franken did yesterday.
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Unfortunately, McCain’s memory is suffering.
McAltzheimers?
December 18th, 2009 at 1:48 pmMcCain is so old, he thinks he still lives in a time before videotape.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:49 pmoh, Sa-NAP!
December 18th, 2009 at 1:51 pmboth McCain and Lieberman forget what they said before the $$ hit their desk…
December 18th, 2009 at 1:53 pmSince McCain did it too, I trust the clowns at Fox and Friends will be fired for their on-air mistake of chiding Franken.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:56 pmThat vicious, stupid, senile old hypocrite. He probably can’t remember what he had for lunch yesterday.
I *loathe* McGrumpy.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:01 pmYou forget that at Fox News, NOTHING happened prior to January 2009. And if it did, it was Obama’s fault anyway…
December 18th, 2009 at 2:01 pmPLEASE, someone with the time and resources produce a Republican Hypocrisy documentary or at least series of TV ads. It is incredible to hear, side by side, what McCain, Palin, Lieberman, et al say one time and a contradictory comment they make another time. It is also a powerful way to challenge their credibility. Let’s make it viral.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:03 pmMccain can’t remember how many houses he has…..how can gramps remember what he said in 2002. What a pathetic greedy hypocrite. It’s time he retires and gives up his government supplied health insurance as well.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:04 pmraynman says:
You forget that at Fox News, NOTHING happened prior to January 2009. And if it did, it was Obama’s fault anyway…
And on Fox News, if it wasn’t Obama’s fault, then it was Clinton’s fault.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:05 pmMcCain was always an ornery jackass, but he was at least a little likeable and maverick-y prior to 2007. The GOP has succeed in corrupting him. Now he’s as vile, ignorant, and forgetful as the rest of his party.
And, really…Fox And Friends called Franken a clown? The show with Steve Doocey, Brian Kilmeade, and Gretchen “I went to Stanford and don’t know what an ignoramus is” Carlson?
December 18th, 2009 at 2:06 pmTypically McCain demands an apology for perceived slights to his ideology!
I guess he felt generous…
December 18th, 2009 at 2:06 pmLately everytime McCain says anything it makes me think there are signs of senility. Confusion, memory loss, and quickness to anger are all symptoms. We should be relieved he is not President.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:08 pmBoy, the internet is still eating them alive and they haven’t caught on yet!
This is just too cool. I had a couple of cons cornering me on this yesterday, not that they were able but this will definatly be the nail in the coffin of thier arguments.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:09 pmAt 68, I have some memory lapses, too, but I didn’t run for President.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:11 pmGrampy McHypocrite speaks.
…if you would like to remind McHypocrite about his past yapping, GO HERE and tell him:
Email:
http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.ContactForm
Phone and FAX numbers:
December 18th, 2009 at 2:11 pmhttp://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.OfficeLocations
“Hey, pull my finger
December 18th, 2009 at 2:12 pmMy memory’s not so good
How does that joke go?”
Mr. McCAIN. I object.
Why, I never!!
December 18th, 2009 at 2:13 pmVDT in action. I guess it’s a good thing that the troll has SOMETHING to do, right?
December 18th, 2009 at 2:18 pmAhhh yes, selective memory syndrome. I’m shocked….SHOCKED I tell ya! The GOP NEVER exhibit symptoms of that strange disease!
December 18th, 2009 at 2:18 pmJohn McCain saying one thing and doing another is not news, its the act of an old, tired, senile, idiot. I for one am getting tired of seeing this old coot on TV as if he is relevant, he is nothing but a dishonorable man who at one time was a part of an honorable profession (military), now he is a fool, and should forever be reminded of the disease that he has unleashed upon the world, Sarah Palin.
RIP
December 18th, 2009 at 2:18 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Yeah, McCain is a senile old coot. But he’s still a liar.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:19 pmhypocrite, thy name is Republican
December 18th, 2009 at 2:19 pmIf those pinheads at FAUX didn’t like it then Franken did good.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:20 pmNow, in McSame’s defense, when dementia sets in, and memory cells are lost, 8 years may actually seem like 20.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:20 pmSo in essence, he may not even know he is telling a fib. Of course, being that he is McSame, he’s allowed a flip flop on the issue within the week!
Oh, come on now. Don’t be so hard on McNumbNuts. He’s not a liar. He’s not senile.
He’s just bein’ mavericky.
[snark off]
December 18th, 2009 at 2:22 pmI would just like to say that today, for the first time, I was the anti-VDT, and voted all the current 24 posts up!
December 18th, 2009 at 2:23 pmAnd, as an added bonus, I just ANNOUNCED THAT I DID IT, thus alleviating any doubt of cowardice!!!
Anything to keep us from talking about the issues . . . anything at all . . .
December 18th, 2009 at 2:24 pmor
Mr. McCAIN. I object.
with distain
December 18th, 2009 at 2:25 pm“Really…”?
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Cicero, thanks for you concern.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:28 pmI think Sen McCain should apologize to Sen Franken on Fox News. That would be sufficient to settle this matter.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:29 pmCicero says:
Ok, so, past bad behavior by Republican Sen. John McCain excuses current bad behavior by Democratic Sen. Al Franken? Good to know.
I object. I object. I object. I object.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:32 pmI object. I object. I object. I object.
I object. I object. I object. I object.
I object. I object. I object. I object.
I object. I object. I object. I object.
I know, you don’t understand hypocricy. Look it up.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:32 pmThis just more of Republican double standards. I wish Dems would be more aggressive with Republicans. When the Republicans have to eat enough of the shite they dish out, they may have to reconsider how they conduct their politics.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:34 pmCicero says:
Nah, but John McCain saying ‘he’d never seen anything like that in 17 years in the Senate’ when he himself did the same thing in 2002 is kinda noteworthy, don’t you think?
P.S. there is nothing proper about your comment, Cicero, but you do kill me ‘proper’… thanks.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:34 pmFranken is currently working on several bills with Lugar, Isaackson, and several other Republicans…as he should be doing.
On the other hand, he told John Thune ‘he had a right to his own opinions but not his own facts’ when Thune claimed none of the health care reform benefits trigger in until 2014. Thune was lying, & Franken called him out for it.
Senator Franken will not roll over & play deaf & dumb, even if he is a freshman Senator.
The fact Palin blacked McCain’s name out on her cap while vacationing in Hawaii has to piss McGrampa off. Of course, Palin quit Hawaii before, while she was in one of her five colleges.
What’s the difference between Palin & McCain?
Palin quits anything she starts, but McCain won’t quit the Senate no matter how many people want him to.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:36 pmFVNY says:
Wow.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:37 pmEpic fail, FVNY!
The legend continues…
Unfortunately, McCain’s memory is suffering.
yes. Time to retire McIIIrd.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:38 pmMcCain and a bunch of other Repubs voted against defense authorization bill trying to hold up health care debate, this is strong evidence of lack of principles. They claim to have princples but in the end politics is always more important to Republicans. They are absolutely rabid in their zeal to doing anything to stop Obama.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:38 pmMcCain is being completely consistent. He hadn’t seen it because he was doing it, not “seeing” it — nobody held a mirror in front of his face, did they?
Besides, what gives anybody the idea that McCain actually listens to what he says? Hey, he’s a Senator, & one of the more adept professional motormouths.
The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com
December 18th, 2009 at 2:39 pmUmmmm, Grampy?
When someone pulls your finger, you’re supposed to fart — not fill your pants.
Remember next time?
December 18th, 2009 at 2:40 pmFVNY @ 37:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! You lose, idiot. We sent Normie packing!
December 18th, 2009 at 2:43 pmNow, now, FVNY. You MUST have something better to do than hang around here and vote everyone down.
Don’t you have a company to run? How about a wife to buy Christmas presents for?
Anything?
December 18th, 2009 at 2:43 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Who’s saying it’s “bad behavior”?
Senator Franken was enforcing the time limits.
Senator McCain, on the other hand, is a hypocrite for decrying the action of Senator Franken and claiming it as a breach of decorum, when in fact he had engaged in the exact same behavior a few years ago during another critical debate.
get it now?
December 18th, 2009 at 2:44 pmLET’S FACE THE FACTS, MCCAIN, LEIBERMAN AND OTHERS LIKE THEM, LIE SO MUCH THEY DON;T EVEN KNOW WHEN THEY ARE LYING.
MCCAIN IS NOT AN AMERICAN HERO HE IS AN ALL AMERICAN LIAR.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:44 pmFVNY, and maybe monkeys will fly out of your butt.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:45 pmDaryll, do you also think that Mark Dayton should have thrown his shoe at Senator McCain in 2002?
December 18th, 2009 at 2:45 pmaaronk has some issues with the standards adopted by the Minnesota State Board of Elections, it would appear…
December 18th, 2009 at 2:46 pmThe issue at hand FVNY is the hypocracy of Sen. McCain.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:47 pmHehehehe…. sure you do, aaronk. Sure you do.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:47 pmWell considering that a Hollywood actor, someone trained to say what’s written for them, as President, at least Franken is smart AND funny. And apparently not afraid of stepping on a few tender toes either!
December 18th, 2009 at 2:48 pmOh Parodyll, you’re so funny, YOU ARE THE JOKE!
As you always have been, since posting here.
Happy Holidays!
December 18th, 2009 at 2:49 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
mary lacewing, and more often than not, Al Franken was the one writing the words for other actors to say.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:50 pmMaybe it’s because mccain is an illigitimate senator!
December 18th, 2009 at 2:50 pmworship and adore God, Jesus was/is a progressive.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:51 pmSo you’re saying that a double standard is just fine with you?
As well as obviously hypocritical behavior, of course. That goes without saying.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:51 pmSince he is a progressive, I can almost guarantee that his additional point was not legitimate.
Where’s that Christian certitude, D-bag? Having a crisis of faith?
December 18th, 2009 at 2:51 pmThat’s great aardonk(a donk), but then let’s debate.
Should Faux News be calling SENATOR Franken “uncivil,” a “newbie,” and “an angry clown”, when in essence McCain did the exact same thing in Oct 2002?
Except McCain said he’s never seen such a thing.
Let the debate begin.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:52 pmCicero says:
Ok, so, past bad behavior by Republican Sen. John McCain excuses current bad behavior by Democratic Sen. Al Franken? Good to know.
The definition of bad behavior has been radically altered by the Republicans, e.g. Joe Wilson. The Republicans are getting the same that they dish out. If the Republicans can stand the heat, then they should get out of the kitchen (H.S. Truman).
December 18th, 2009 at 2:52 pmCorrection: Can’t stand the heat.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:53 pmworship and adore God says:
Hey Daryll, long time no hear from, thought you’d been raptured.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:53 pmFVNY says:
I don’t vote people down.
Okay, I’ll give you benefit of the doubt then and apologize for the accusation. Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays/Joys of the Season to you.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:53 pmMaybe its because Franken is an illegitimate Senator!
You’re saying he’s a bast*rd? I’ll bet that’s news to his parents.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:53 pmhellinabucket a #60, may I add:
Jesus was/is/and always will be a progressive.
Can I get an AAAAAAA-MEN!
December 18th, 2009 at 2:54 pmI have a problem with voter fraud!
Unless it suits his agenda…
December 18th, 2009 at 2:54 pma problem with voter fraud? How outraged were you in 2000? or 2004?
December 18th, 2009 at 2:55 pmI don’t want to say for certain until Daryll weighs in on the question again, but it seems pretty clear that Daryll is very comfortable judging conservatives by one standard of behavior and judging progressives by another.
That seems curiously unobjective. It’s almost as if two people commit the same action, and Daryll is willing to excuse one of them because he views him as a conservative.
I’m not sure that’s how Jesus would have handled it, but we’ve each got to find our own path, right, Daryll?
December 18th, 2009 at 2:55 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
AAAAAMENN to that!!! DRxJ!!!!!
December 18th, 2009 at 2:56 pmFVNY says:
I have a problem with voter fraud!
Who doesn’t?!
What voter fraud are you referring to exactly?
December 18th, 2009 at 2:56 pmGee, Aaronk, does that mean you question GW’s first coronation?
Or do you just want to pull Johny’s finger so you can both giggle together?
December 18th, 2009 at 2:56 pmSince he is a progressive, I can almost guarantee that his additional point was not legitimate.
Ahh, the comity of Daryl is essentially comedy.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:57 pmGot it.
FVNY says:
a problem with voter fraud? How outraged were you in 2000? or 2004?
_______________________________________________
Very outraged. It was a disgrace how Gore and Kerry tried to steal those elections!
Haha – very funny. Were you inspired by Al Franken to say something so funny?
December 18th, 2009 at 2:57 pmSo you’re saying that the Minnesota State Board of Elections certified a result that you are certain was fraudulent?
How did you come to this conclusion? You must have some inside information, right?
Have you notified anyone in authority? Or is your emotional succor from this personal conviction enough to see you through the nights?
December 18th, 2009 at 2:57 pmMy Bible states that he is a vengeful God.
Gee, Daryll, didn’t you get the New Testament memo?
December 18th, 2009 at 2:58 pmvengeful? The turn the other cheek, let he who is without sin cast the first stone, feed the hungry, heal the sick, forgive them for they know not what they do god?
December 18th, 2009 at 2:58 pmWelp, since Parodyll lives in the Old Testament, shall we discuss Leviticus?
December 18th, 2009 at 2:58 pmShell fish, anyone?
Anyone?
Anyone?
Buehler?
Jesus wasn’t/isn’t/even ain’t god, Daryll…
December 18th, 2009 at 2:59 pmSo McCain lied when he said ‘..first time I have ever seen…”.
And recall the criminal fraud of Bush/Cheney/McCain, rushing negligently to a cruel war, which to the Democrats didn’t delay in a dishonest way they way the Republic party is doing on health insurance ( to help the corrupt insurance industry rescission its way to massive profits at the cost of hundreds of thousands of deaths and bankruptcies)
Hmmm… at least they are consistent at mass murder and plain thievery.
All this from John “I will never support a war the American people do not support” McCain, in other words Mr. Broken Sacred Promise.
And he real reason for the Iraq war was so that criminally negligent and corrupt man could play a president at war on TV and get re-elected, while also robbing the American people of $1 trillion in military crap for the people that bribed him to do so.
Happily, the republic party is splintering into the various ugly parts it is composed of: Professional Demagogues, Supporters of our Bribeocracy, Deluded right-wing ‘true believers’, Blaspheming, doom-saying religious fanatics, and of course, grungy little racists.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:59 pmHey Darryll how’s Pastor Gino doing these days? Has ‘President’ Huckabee dropped by the to meet the congregation?
December 18th, 2009 at 2:59 pmWhy do so many Christianists have such difficulty separating Yahweh in the OT from Jesus in the NT?
Is it because they are emotionally yearning for vengeance against their perceived enemies and the “turn the other cheek” message of Jesus doesn’t do it for them?
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Daryll, what does ignoring your savior’s wrods about the New supplanting the Old come under? Is it sin or blasphemy?
December 18th, 2009 at 3:01 pmFVNY, you’ve said all I need to know about you. Facts are optional in your world. You keep those blinders on and be content with being led around.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:01 pmDaryll,
I’d ask you to tell us where in the New Testament it says that Jesus was vengeful but that would be going WAY off the topic of this thread.
So, instead I’ll ask you what you think of McCain’s faux outrage? Do you think he got all upset because he forgot that he’d done the same thing? Or do you think he go upset because only Republicans are allowed to insist on following the ‘rules’?
December 18th, 2009 at 3:01 pmWhile we got you here Daryll, are you still a government contractor in the IT business?
December 18th, 2009 at 3:02 pmKnow anything about the insurgents in Afghanistan being able to hack the video feeds of the Predator drones?
He’s your President, too, Daryll.
Were you as dogged in your determination to get access to the records of Vice-President Cheney’s meetings with energy companies?
Oh, that’s right — you hold Democrats to different standards than you hold Republicans. My bad.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:03 pmLIAR!!!
December 18th, 2009 at 3:04 pmIn conservative minds, it is outrageous that Lieberman does not get more than ten minutes to prohibit healthcare and it is outrageous that Dayton expected more than a minute and a half to question unnecessary killing.
Most congressmen also hate having to work late on a Thursday night. They want to get away Thursday afternoon for their weekend.
Didn’t McCain also not know what car he drove?
December 18th, 2009 at 3:04 pmaardonk(a donk),
December 18th, 2009 at 3:07 pmremember debating the issues?
Fred, Aaronk does have a problem with voter fraud. He thinks it is a Republican toy and gets jealous.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:07 pmDaryll gets off on a “vengeful god.”
December 18th, 2009 at 3:08 pmnoseeum says:
While we got you here Daryll, are you still a government contractor in the IT business?
Daryll once specifically said “the Defense Department”.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:08 pmUmmmm, what story is Parodyll fabricating now in post #90?
December 18th, 2009 at 3:08 pmI just need to pay my respects to the now deceased Democratic Party..may she R I P.
Not bringing flowers but am crying just the same.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:10 pmAfternoon Zooster. I forget—did Jesus advocate vengeance?
December 18th, 2009 at 3:10 pmnoseeum says:
While we got you here Daryll, are you still a government contractor in the IT business?
Know anything about the insurgents in Afghanistan being able to hack the video feeds of the Predator drones?
I saw that! You’d think the video streams from the drones would be encrypted!
December 18th, 2009 at 3:11 pmTotally. When He was hanging on the cross, I understand He motioned for Peter to come over and he whispered, “Peter, I want you to memorize the names and faces of these centurions and, when this is all done… I want to you to fu(k them up. Real bad. Got it homey?” *
*- this is a fanciful parody intended to use an outrageous example in order to make a serious point.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:13 pmmary lacewing says:
“I saw that! You’d think the video streams from the drones would be encrypted!”
Defense Department brass knew of the problem since 2004!
December 18th, 2009 at 3:14 pmThey say it was “too expensive” to encrypt…
mary lacewing,
December 18th, 2009 at 3:15 pmDaryll didn’t think al Qaeda could come up with the 26 bucks needed for SkyGrabber software! Yeah—way to ‘keep us safe’, Daryll!
Keith says:
Afternoon Zooster. I forget—did Jesus advocate vengeance?
December 18th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Hello, Keith. I hope things are going well for you.
Last time I talked to Jesus, he was totally mellow — having just smoked the ganja and made sweet love to a beautiful woman.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:15 pmRalph, everyone knows he called Peter to the cross to tell him he could see Peter’s house from up there. Just ask Sarah.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:16 pmJesus waited on me at the hardware store last week.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:18 pmWait Zooey, you had just smoked the ganja and made sweet love to a beautiful woman?
Dayum, that’s HOT!!!
December 18th, 2009 at 3:18 pmZooey, going pretty well thanks. You musta been talking to the Jamaican Jesus! :-)
December 18th, 2009 at 3:18 pmagain, around 300 dem lawmakers voted for every option for health care reform.
3 or 4 dems, one indy and all republicans are steadfastly against it.
The republican party is dying before our eyes.
What, pray tell are you talking about?
December 18th, 2009 at 3:20 pmBye Daryll, I’m giving you a virtual noogie, you lovable little dweeb.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:22 pmworship and adore gold!
@30: “bad behavior” by Franken? I don’t think so. He was asked by Senate officials to restrict comments and he did it. You, sir, are behaving badly by refusing to admit that Franken is DOING AS ASKED. Not to mention McCain has done the same thing.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:26 pmGOD HATES SHRIMP – He is a vengeful God. Anyone that has eaten shrimp is an abomination before His eyes. Leviticus 11:9-12
December 18th, 2009 at 3:26 pmSo its okay to cut off a Senator’s speaking time if he’s saying something McCain doesn’t want to hear, but its wrong for someone else to cut someone he wants to hear from?
But of course! I forgot! IOKIYAR!
December 18th, 2009 at 3:28 pmHey, me too! We must go to the same Home Depot.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:33 pmSay… where did FVNY go? I was hoping to debate the issues with him.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:34 pmDRxJ says:
Wait Zooey, you had just smoked the ganja and made sweet love to a beautiful woman?
Dayum, that’s HOT!!!
December 18th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Yes, it appears I have switched teams — or my grammar sucks big time. :P
December 18th, 2009 at 3:34 pm“Hey, me too! We must go to the same Home Depot.”
It was hard to keep a straight face, I was buying large nails…
December 18th, 2009 at 3:35 pmJust the latest of many, many McCain flip-flops.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:35 pmPlease send flip flops to McCain & Liebermann to wear in the New Year.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:38 pmnoseeum says:
“Hey, me too! We must go to the same Home Depot.”
It was hard to keep a straight face, I was buying large nails…
Ya know, I should not find this humorous at all, but damn I can’t help but let out a little chuckle.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:41 pmralphie and noseeum, was it the family business? I heard his dad was a carpenter. Know why he didn’t go to college? He got ‘nailed on the boards’.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:43 pmWe’re bad, Keith, really bad…
December 18th, 2009 at 3:47 pm;)
Think Progress needs to put some investigators on this story about the head of the Fiesta Bowl (John Junker) telling employees to make political donations to pro-Fiesta Bowl politicians. The Fiesta Bowl, there employer, then reimbursed them for their political donations, which is of course illegal.
Now, take a wild guess what political party Junker belongs to? That’s right, he’s a Republican. Now, guess who the top contributor of money from Junker’s personal donations have gone to? You guess it, JOHN McCAIN.
I’d like to find officially find out which Arizona lawmaker was benefiting from these illegal contributions from the Fiesta Bowl employees. My hunch is Junker was telling them to contribute to the same Arizona lawmaker he was donating to personally (McCain).
December 18th, 2009 at 3:48 pmMcCain has dementia. What would you expect? He is an old hypocrite and a republican; this is normal.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:49 pmYou mean “Bad” like the Michael Jackson album—or “bad” like the Michael Jackson slumber parties?
December 18th, 2009 at 3:50 pmWe’ll have to ask dbadass for a determination.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:51 pmThe Fox & Friends crew attacked Franken this morning, calling him “uncivil,” a “newbie,” and “an angry clown.”
I would say 2 of 3 are correct.
December 18th, 2009 at 4:17 pmWonderful reporting. How much ya wanna bet this part of the story doesn’t show up on Fox News?
December 18th, 2009 at 4:20 pmDungeon Master McCain has a long history of making up fanciful tales and having a very selective memory.
December 18th, 2009 at 4:25 pmIOKIYAR
December 18th, 2009 at 4:27 pmMr. Dupe, any comment on Senator mcCain’s condemnation for behavior he says he had not seen in 20 years but indulged in himself seven years ago?
Or are you another one of those who holds Republicans to different standards than you hold Democrats?
December 18th, 2009 at 4:35 pmnonobjective – regarding Leviticus
There’s risks to eating shellfish – mercury poisoning/deadly allergies/ also PSP.. Paralytic Shellfish Poisoning
‘People who eat shellfish that have been feeding on toxic dinoflagellates can suffer from numbness, paralysis, disorientation, and death’
also.. as far as pork which wasn’t mentioned, but another Leviticus law – see Trichinosis.
parasitic disease caused by eating raw or undercooked pork
Jews had insights towards these things
December 18th, 2009 at 4:37 pmmight I also add.. nonobjective – it’s definitely ‘non-objective’ to state that Leviticus 11:9-12 says that God sees anyone who eats shellfish as an abomination to his eyes.
The actual words state that as far as eating fish.. those without fins/scales ‘They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh’
I would just prefer we stick to the actual words – and not ‘make stuff up’.
December 18th, 2009 at 4:43 pmBut even what you quoted wern’t the actual words were they?
Or did King James get it right…….
December 18th, 2009 at 5:07 pmlux is mostly correct in re: dietary laws. Swine are notorious for having bacteria and parasites in their flesh, and are often not cooked well enough for consumption. Swine in pens are even worse–they wallow in their own dung (much like republicans).
Shellfish are also prohibited because of the chance of poisoning–even in months without an ‘r’.
Sorry dbadass, I know you’re the fisher of men, but I figure you’d get the better catch if possible.
December 18th, 2009 at 5:17 pmlux says:
“Jews had insights towards these things..”
It’s pretty much recognized that the procedure of circumcision was for hygienic reasons, though passed of as being a means for the Hebrew god to recognize one of “his people”.
If the only way a god could recognize me was by looking at my pecker, I think maybe I’d go for Aphrodite.
December 18th, 2009 at 5:28 pmYeah, because NO democrat EVER in the political history of the United States have EVER done/said ANYTHING hypocratical AT ALL!
December 18th, 2009 at 5:55 pmFjord83 says:
Save some glug for the holidays, Feeyord…
December 18th, 2009 at 7:03 pmI think its time for this dust mop to call it quits.
December 18th, 2009 at 7:08 pmMcaine has more than enough money to retire.
His problem is that he knows he really fcked up when he chose palin as his running mate.(john, dont feel bad. Todd chose this nitwit as his life long soulmate.)
Mcaine doesnt want his legacy to be the freakin idiot who chose palin as a running mate.
I dont blame him. I would rather be remembered as an old man who pissed his pants on the senate floor than to be remembered for picking nitwit palin as a running mate.
Hypocratical…?
Well, Fjord, I know several Democrats who are doctors; is that what you mean…?
Or are you just the typical illiterate teabagging moron…?
Enquiring minds want to know.
December 18th, 2009 at 7:14 pmSome video from the Senate floor of what Lieberman’s demanding now.
December 18th, 2009 at 7:18 pmcaption: ‘Pull grandpa’s finger’
December 18th, 2009 at 7:19 pmJohn McCain = Old Scool Hypocrisy
December 18th, 2009 at 9:06 pmIt always amazes me that Republican politicians never, ever consider that such things as video tape and official transcripts exist. Seems to me that if I were going to grandstand and bloviate about an issue on the Senate floor the next day, I’d at least do five minutes of Googling to see if I had said something contradictory in the past. It’s not tough. XoD
December 18th, 2009 at 9:27 pmWell two things:
1) McCain cut off the Senator after a cloture motion was voted th rough. ThinkProgress dishonestly cut off the McCain quote, “I will be adhering strictly to the rules” before the remaining “according to postcloture.” The whole idea of cloture is to cut off debate after a strictly limited time. There has been no cloture vote on the health care bill.
2) The Senator got to finish his piece. Byrd yielded some of his time, and then McCain allowed Byrd not to count some of his speaking time toward the cloture limit
The Alzheimer’s reference was classy, though. I have now wasted 40 minutes of my life proving something that everyone already knows–that every claim on ThiinkProgress is a lie unless demonstrated otherwise. Isn’t vacation wonderful?
December 18th, 2009 at 9:42 pmbig surprise. the republicans dont remember anything that happens from the past, and make up their own rules contradicting themselves.
December 18th, 2009 at 10:25 pmOh please…one is a debate where there is little time..the other is open ended. The writer is really stretching this out of nothing.
December 18th, 2009 at 10:32 pmApe-Man says:
John McCain = Old Scool Hypocrisy
John McCain = Irrelevant liar who’s time has passed
December 18th, 2009 at 10:38 pmHe should have been kicked out of the Senate with the rest of the Keating Five back in the ’80’s.
I think you’re all missing the point. McCain was bothered that Franken objected from the chair. This left no recourse or appeal available, as in this very example with Byrd.
December 18th, 2009 at 10:57 pmFranken said, “As a Senator from Minnesota, I object.” His being in the chair does not void his status as a Minnesota Senator.
McCain’s objection was in 2002 when W was Prez. The GOP was free from all constraints then.
December 18th, 2009 at 11:29 pm“His being in the chair does not void his status as a Minnesota Senator.”
I didn’t say it did. Obviously he retains that status in the chair. But these two situations are not comparable because Lieberman couldn’t go to the chair with an appeal as Mr. Dayton did with Byrd. Also, the transcript clearly state a cloture in 45 minutes, meaning there was a hard stop coming. This is completely a different scenario.
December 18th, 2009 at 11:40 pmSeems like the Alzheimer’s is coming on strong, what a great thing that this WON’T leave us with President Sarah. The GOP says they are the party of Reagan…now more than ever, John McCain proves this is true.
December 19th, 2009 at 12:01 amSo I found where the baby killers hang out.
December 19th, 2009 at 7:06 amI wonder if there is any salvation at all for a mind infected with the disease called liberal.
December 19th, 2009 at 7:09 amMedicadave is starting with the non sequiturs early today…
December 19th, 2009 at 9:18 amRead more carefully. You got just about every fact wrong! Byrd wasn’t the chair in the 2002 incident, and there was no such appeal. Byrd controlled the floor on behalf of his amendment and, when McCain objected, simply yielded Dayton extra time, which came out of Byrd’s own time.
The “45 minutes” is completely irrelevant, as that was for the original debate on the cloture motion itself, which by this point had already been voted on! (It passed 75-25.) The time they were arguing over was the time under cloture.
As for Franken’s status as the presiding officer in Thursday’s incident, it doesn’t complicate the potential for appeal, as you can’t appeal a rejected unanimous consent request anyway. What’s to appeal? There’s no ruling. It’s a unanimous consent request, and consent wasn’t unanimous.
December 19th, 2009 at 10:59 amThe problem with Joe Lieberman is that, if He were to switch places with Franken, He would have objected to Franken asking for an extra minute and a week later He would object to McCain for asking for an extra minute, because from week to week, Joe doesn’t know which side He is on!
December 19th, 2009 at 11:04 amI wonder if there is any salvation at all for a mind infected with the disease called liberal.
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Well for this to make any sense we would have to buy the premise of disease which is so idiotic on the surface as to make me wonder why you even took the time to type that
December 19th, 2009 at 11:09 amLOL< Once Again, McCain is a complete and utter tooL!
Kess
December 19th, 2009 at 11:26 amhttp://www.anonymous-web.cz.tc
moronDAVE
Just kill yourself PUNK. There is certainly no salvation for ignorant brainwashed pieces of shit as stupid as YOU are
December 19th, 2009 at 3:55 pmIs McCain hypocritical – yes.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:42 pmIs that a reason to stone him – no.
If one is going to be hypocritical (who among us can cast the first stone), better to do it with a sense of mild irony than the verve of righteous outrage – even though the Daily Show clips will lose their bite.
Franken is a good progressive voice with certain Biden like qualities. He may well become an effective senator, especially if he wins reelection.