Sen. Coburn: ‘People Ought To Pray’ That A Senator ‘Can’t Make The Vote Tonight’
Sen. Coburn: ‘People Ought To Pray’ That A Senator ‘Can’t Make The Vote Tonight’
The Senate is expected to vote very late tonight/early Monday morning “on the first of three motions to close off debate” on the health care bill and proceed to an expected Christmas Eve vote on final passage. Speaking against the health care bill on the Senate floor just moments ago, Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) expressed his hope that a Senator of the majority caucus would not be able to make the vote:
What the American people ought to pray is that somebody can’t make the vote tonight. That’s what they ought to pray.
Just a few minutes later, Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) interrupted while Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) was speaking to issue a challenge to Coburn:
I have been trying to reach Sen. Coburn. … This statement troubles me, and I’m trying to reach him come back to the floor and explain exactly what he meant about a senator being unable to make the vote tonight. … I’m reaching out to Sen. Coburn. I’ll be on the floor for the next 45 minutes, and I hope that he will join me there.
Watch it:
Standing on the floor earlier this month, Coburn told seniors, “I’ve got a message for you: you’re going to die soon.”
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So it’s come to rethug senators making threats to other senators.
December 20th, 2009 at 5:15 pmCorburn needs to be censured and interviewed by the FBI for terrorist threats.
This shite is so pathetic it almost makes stallman seem sane.
tony and lido
Sen. Durbin is right. What exactly is Coburn implying? Is he hoping for anact of violence against a Democratic Memeber of the Senate or a sudden “unexpected” death of one?
December 20th, 2009 at 5:17 pmDesperate, Deseperate, Desperate.
What does one expect from a Senator when he belongs with the gang republicans for rape? And let us not forget Colburn also votes against Veterans.
December 20th, 2009 at 5:18 pmDr. Coburn is the One Man Death Panel hoping Senator Byrd is incapacitated.
December 20th, 2009 at 5:20 pmSenator Coburn has proven who his God is and it’s really Satan. As Coburn covers up Ensign’s affairs and crimes while even sterilization of a woman without her permission one can clearly see the Quack Doctor/ Evil Senator is really working against God’s children. We do have to pray but the prayer will be for Satan’s worshippers but this time God wins. Just think the people of Oklahoma sent one of the most evil people to DC to respresent them. One would think this being Christmas that the so called Christians would think of what God taught but it seems Satan ran the US for 8 years and he’s hard to get rid of.
December 20th, 2009 at 5:22 pmWTF? Coburn is implying that someone become incapacitated? Is it a threat?
Detestable repugniscum are “praying” that Jesus will stop health care for Americans — because we all know that Jesus would not want sick people to get care. They defile religion, Jesus and prayer with their blasphemous disrespect.
For the record, I do not believe in organized religion, but I respect those who are sincere in their beliefs – Coburn et al., are insincere pharisees, demagogues, and charlatans.
Jesus would chase people like Coburn out of the temple.
December 20th, 2009 at 5:23 pmCoburn’s only hope is to pray that senators can’t vote for whatever reason.
Tommy boy, think about what that says about you.
The republicans see this thing getting away from them and they are becoming desperate.
Tommy should be careful that he doesn’t cross the line between rhetoric and criminal acts.
December 20th, 2009 at 5:24 pmNo one is trying to take prayer away, Tracy. I encourage it, and recommend that Republicans pray instead of voting.
December 20th, 2009 at 5:24 pmI sense a parody tracist is afoot.
December 20th, 2009 at 5:24 pmTracist_Racist says:
December 20th, 2009 at 5:25 pmAll over for your side clown boy.
Here’s the real head-scratcher: Coburn is the brighter of Oklahoma’s two senators.
December 20th, 2009 at 5:25 pmPerhaps we should pray that God strikes all the Republicans with plague and pestilence and huge, itching, running boils.
It could happen.
December 20th, 2009 at 5:26 pmIf you weren’t such hypocrits then your god would not abandon you.
December 20th, 2009 at 5:26 pmRepublicans and DINOs exclaim as they ride out of sight…EAT SHIT AND DIE AMERICANS! Murry Christmas to us and insurance and Pharma!!
December 20th, 2009 at 5:27 pmWhat sort of God would grant Sen. Tom Coburn’s prayer? Is that the kind of God a person wants to pray to?
These fascist Republicans think God is on their side. They are extremely dangerous, willing to go to any lengths to impose their theocracy. Americans must never again allow fundamentalist Christians to control our government.
December 20th, 2009 at 5:28 pmTracy__5 says:
Praying is all that we have left though you libs are trying to take that away from us too.
Name one method we are using to take away your prayers.
Maybe we are praying all will have access to health care soon.
December 20th, 2009 at 5:28 pmThat is some fine gNOpig political strategery.
Pray so that some Democratic Senator can’t make the vote…
So gNOpiggies, say, the current bill, as imperfect as it is, makes it in spite of all your most heartfelt prayers…?
Does this mean baby Jeebuz doesn’t listen to you?
Maybe this is a message from heavens?
Are you ready for the Rapture?
muckin forons of the gNOpig Taliban
December 20th, 2009 at 5:29 pmTracy_5
December 20th, 2009 at 5:29 pmPray all you want. it seems like a dumb ass thing to do but have at it. Can you explain to me in a rational way how it helps and how you are being prevented to do it.
Thanks
Can we please get a rational voice of opposition? I am so bored with the pretend ones…
December 20th, 2009 at 5:30 pmI’m lon pins and needles awaiting tracist’s reply to all the challenges.
This should go a long way to revealing whether this is a parody tracist or the genuine article.
December 20th, 2009 at 5:31 pmTracy__5 says:
Praying is all that we have left though you libs are trying to take that away from us too.
[citation needed]
Wait, your god submits to prayers wishing harm on other people? What religion is that, anyways?
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dbadass says:
Can we please get a rational voice of opposition? I am so bored with the pretend ones…
I’m praying analog kid shows up. I’ll even take backup at this point.
December 20th, 2009 at 5:34 pmWe are exposed to brilliant repartee from praying and receiving no results Tracy
December 20th, 2009 at 5:38 pmI’m voting a parody. The REAL Tracist would have responded to some of the challenges to the praying thing. Instead this one went after a typo.
have fun with ‘im, guys.
December 20th, 2009 at 5:41 pmTracy is sort of a girl’s name….
December 20th, 2009 at 5:43 pm.
Here’s my prayer…
Dear Jesus,
Save us from your followers.
.
December 20th, 2009 at 5:43 pmThe reason prayer is all you have left is because you are out of power for a long time to come.
They say God answers all prayers, and sometimes the answer is “NO!”
December 20th, 2009 at 5:45 pmSo dude with a girls name… How are you being prevented from praying and when was the last time something you prayed become reality? Let’s try it. Pray to shut me up….
December 20th, 2009 at 5:46 pmWhen it doesn’t happen I will declare your god or gods or whatever you pray to weak….
December 20th, 2009 at 5:46 pmI hate to tell you this Senator Durbin but Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) wants you or one of your Democratic colleagues to die or be killed before the vote today.
I have a question for you Senator Durbin, “What are you going to do about it?”
December 20th, 2009 at 5:47 pmTracy__5 says:
This comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Praying is all that we have left though you libs are trying to take that away from us too.
Right! TEH HOMO AGENDA IS behind this. Preach it, Brother Tracy! and save my soul while you’re at it…
December 20th, 2009 at 5:51 pmThere are those that believe that when someone asks God for something that God finds offensive, the prayer is answered, but not in the way the prayer intended.
Senator Coburn, when you ask Americans to pray for God to intervene on your behalf, you best take care you do not anger that God, lest he intervene on the behalf of your opponents just to punish you for your hubris.
December 20th, 2009 at 5:52 pmSo Coburn wants the imaginary sky fairy to smite senators that would dare try to help the american people, gee stay classy Coburn.
December 20th, 2009 at 5:56 pmYou could have written that.
If you live in America, have the decency to at least learn to communicate using proper English. I mean, if you can’t speak basic English, you are no better than the immigrants you hate.
December 20th, 2009 at 5:56 pmTracy the queen of cut and paste
December 20th, 2009 at 6:00 pm“I have a hand grenade in one hand and a Bible in the other. You tell me, which should I keep and which should I throw?”
The way the Tracy_5’s of the world distort and pervert the bible, it would not matter which is kept and which is thrown. Hypocrites like Tracy_5 will damage innocents to get their way. Very sad such a harmful dichotomy is the only thing the right wing can come up with.
December 20th, 2009 at 6:00 pm.
#36 Tracy 5 Cheetos Fingers,
… “Wrapped in a flag, carrying a Cross.”
- Sinclair Lewis
see, I can quote, too.
:)
December 20th, 2009 at 6:02 pm“I have a hand grenade in one hand and a Bible in the other. You tell me, which should I keep and which should I throw?”
- Rev. Ted Pike
—
December 20th, 2009 at 6:02 pmThe bible. It has far more power to kill for no reason but small mindedness…
I liked tracy more when Trcy pretended to be an architect…
December 20th, 2009 at 6:03 pmSo what would the prayer be like?
Dear Lord. Please do something that will prevent all the Senators from being able to vote tonight. It is so important that we not let Satan’s will prevail, and try to extend health care to those who need it, and to keep insurance companies able to drop people with pre-existing conditions. Corporations are more important than your flock, and we pray that you don’t let Satan do good deeds upon this earth and that those who get sick should not be a burden upon the rest of us.
December 20th, 2009 at 6:05 pmTracy__5 says:
“I have a hand grenade in one hand and a Bible in the other. You tell me, which should I keep and which should I throw?”
- Rev. Ted Pike
First of all, what the hell does that mean?
But I’ve never heard of this guy. Off to teh Googlez! Oh looky, here’s him posting on David Duke’s web site:
Some more of his thoughts on teh Jews:
He also thinks there’s a Jewish conspiracy behind the DaVinci Code book and movie.
Yeah, I’m not going to take this guy’s advice. But I do find it very interesting that you do.
December 20th, 2009 at 6:06 pmOh ElBruce there you go again with exposing the posers as well you know bullshit idiot posers…
December 20th, 2009 at 6:10 pmWhy don’t you go to aisle three of your local Piggly Wiggly and do the antler dance in front of the condiments and powdered milk?
—
December 20th, 2009 at 6:11 pmWill that prevent you from praying?
What have you done?
– Well other than make a complete jackass out of you?
December 20th, 2009 at 6:12 pmDifferent tracist.
December 20th, 2009 at 6:12 pmI know ralph….
December 20th, 2009 at 6:13 pmLevi the Oracle says:
There are those that believe that when someone asks God for something that God finds offensive, the prayer is answered, but not in the way the prayer intended.
So Tom Coburn killed Brittany Murphy? Hmmmm…
December 20th, 2009 at 6:14 pmDon’t thank me. You do fine all by yourself…
December 20th, 2009 at 6:16 pmOdd and sad at the same time though that this one actually has more intelligence than the old t5 unit.
December 20th, 2009 at 6:17 pmI built a geodesic dome out of Lego’s once.
December 20th, 2009 at 6:18 pmSo Oral Roberts caused nixon to die a long and horrible death? I sure wished it on him…..
December 20th, 2009 at 6:19 pmI built a geodesic dome out of Lego’s once.
Frank Lloyd Wright is proud of you…
December 20th, 2009 at 6:21 pmGod does not take lightly when those that claim to be Christians pray to him for things that harm his children.
The Republicans tempt fate.
December 20th, 2009 at 6:23 pmBucky Balls make valence electrons feel all giggly inside…
December 20th, 2009 at 6:23 pmSo long as we continue to elect people who Believe in prayers, spells, and incantations? We’re limited by their understanding of life, the universe, and everything.
Speaking of which: here’s a very disturbing clip of Shelly Bachmann (InsaneR-Mn.) leading a very confusing and creepy prayer. Apparently, it’s just fine for her to apologize to God but, President Obama isn’t allowed to acknowledge any faults the good ol’ U.S.A. may have demonstrated to the rest of the world. Plus, if the U.S. deserves “God’s wrath”, why the Hell is she still here?
http://dumpbachmann.blogspot.com/2009/12/michele-bachmann-at-frc-prey-er-cast.html
December 20th, 2009 at 6:27 pmI bet you don’t have a link to back that up…
December 20th, 2009 at 6:28 pmTracy__ must have run out of psych meds. That’s apparent from her erratic rants.
December 20th, 2009 at 6:34 pmUmmm. It’s impossible to construct a geodesic dome out of Legos or any other block with square sides. Geodesic construction is dependent on angles that balance gravity, compression, and friction.
December 20th, 2009 at 6:35 pmjbrantow says:
Tracy__ must have run out of psych meds. That’s apparent from her erratic rants.
I must quibble. The stupid trolls have either; never been diagnosed or, rejected their diagnoses. One can not run out of meds one never received.
December 20th, 2009 at 6:37 pmexactly what moving parts would a septic system have? I think the septic system was around in Roman times by the way.
December 20th, 2009 at 6:42 pmPete,
It is not impossible to construct Legos at angles other than right angles. In fact it is quite simple. Take three long skinny (thickness 1) lego pieces of equal length, and connect them at the ends. Voila, a triangle.
In fact, using this method, you can make any angle.
December 20th, 2009 at 6:42 pmI believe that was a test to see if tracy the architect knew that.
December 20th, 2009 at 6:44 pmSo Coburn is threatening other Senators. Sounds just like the trolls that come here.
Nice to know they’re all cut from the same scumbag cloth.
December 20th, 2009 at 6:47 pmThreats and intimidation are the province of the desperate and the weak. When the Rethugs have no more cards to play, they resort to this. Very sad.
December 20th, 2009 at 6:56 pmHuh. Coburn is a death panel!
December 20th, 2009 at 6:57 pmI see vote down baby is back.
December 20th, 2009 at 6:57 pmK O B U R N C O R P O R A T E C U N T
December 20th, 2009 at 6:58 pmI hope Coburn gets some instant karma tonight! (How’s that? Was that okay to say after a sitting Senator threatens the life of another sitting Senator?)
December 20th, 2009 at 7:00 pm“I’ve got a message for the Republican Party: you’re going to die soon.”
December 20th, 2009 at 7:00 pmTracist is an architect now? Must have read the Wiki entry…
December 20th, 2009 at 7:02 pmPray? What should us agnostics do?
I’m going to go chant at my snowman.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:02 pm“Doctor” Coburn is praying that something terrible befalls on of his fellow Senators. What a “good” christian.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:03 pmsomeboby ought to pray that it’s senator coburn who can’t make the vote tonight. now that would be poetic justice.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:07 pmBetween Coburn’s beseeching the Almighty to strike a Dem. Senator dead and the Rethugs trying to fillibuster the Defense Appropriations act, its been a bad weekend to be a memeber of the minority.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:09 pmDoes God answer prayers of the obscene criminals? Is God on the side of the monopoly or his people? Coburn is worthless dogsh*t.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:15 pm.
Dear Sen. Coburn,
Is that how Jesus prayed in the garden?
.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:15 pmIf there was a God, He’d smack that evil bastard straight into Hell – if there was a Hell.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:19 pmRepubs..
all they know is violence and death… I’d be scared to let these guys watch my dog for a weekend – I’d never willingly allow them to watch after my country.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:19 pmLevi,
While it is possible to make odd angles from square blocks, A geodesic dome, like a “Roman arch”, is dependent on angled blocks.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:21 pmapparently,coburn skipped the part in the gospel of luke that says “peace on earth good will towards men”.
i am so sick of these shitstains who are stuck in the old testament in general, specifically leviticus and claim to be “good christians”
December 20th, 2009 at 7:21 pmMark 10:23-25. Jesus looked at his *disciples. He said, ‘It is very hard for rich people to belong to the *kingdom of God!’ The disciples were surprised at his words. But Jesus said again, ‘*Children, it is very hard to belong to the *kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the small hole in a needle than for a rich man to join the *kingdom of God.’
Just in case Coburn never read the word.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:21 pmfor Coburn -
“What shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul.”
“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”
“For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”
“The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.”
- Jesus.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:26 pmIt’s possible that he may be referring to a senator not making the vote because of the weather. I hope that’s what he meant.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:26 pmpete@ 65,
Plus, if the U.S. deserves “God’s wrath”, why the Hell is she still here?
What confuses me most is the god Shelly and the Conservatives invoke. Coburn is praying for the demise of a fellow Senator or preachers praying for the death of Obama. The Right Wing appears to be preoccupied with death and fear. The wrath of god is upon the nation because Obama is in the Whitehouse, while their god was quite pleased with the warrior President Bush. This doesn’t sound like modern Christianity and a loving God, but a throw back to some ancient mythologies with war gods who would accept prayers of violence and anger.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:27 pmThis is perversion.
Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) is a hateful, useless, UnAmerican, traitorous, corporate-dick-sucking, worthless, murderous, tiny piece of cat shit!
December 20th, 2009 at 7:28 pmtell us how you really feel dixie
December 20th, 2009 at 7:29 pmSo, another example of how the GOP “loves” their country: they hope fellow Americans are incapacitated (too ill? they die??)and even ask others to PRAY that such a thing happens. What a sick, hateful, sacreligious bunch the Repubs are. Has any of them actually shown any true caring, loving, concerned actions? Seems it’s all lies, hate, racism, & threats of violence.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:31 pmOK. And I think he’s a Christianista.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:33 pmdixie blood,
I must quibble again. “Cat shit” is carefully deposited and fairly small. Coburn is more along the lines of cow, horse, or elephant shit. Big steaming piles deposited randomly.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:37 pmO/T
TYT Cent Yugar rips Chris Matthews for his comments on the ‘netroots’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXyEtWTwX9k
December 20th, 2009 at 7:40 pmHis heart is not large enough to support cow, horse or elephant sh|t. Or even dog sh|t. Maybe I should say bird sh|t!
December 20th, 2009 at 7:42 pmI saw that and I was furious with “Tweety Bird.”
He is a shallow, ignorant, rude, full of sh|t, loud mouth, blow hard that sucks the teats of those in power and never has his brain in gear.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:46 pmdixie blood,
“Bird shit” works for me. It may lack the volume of large mammals but the widespread distribution gets the nod.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:56 pmWhile this is not exactly the way I built mine, I thought I would back up my claim with someone elses work.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:59 pmThat’s right Coburn, call upon your wrathful god from the Old Testament to strike down an opposition Senator. Real class act you are. Here’s hoping Karma will do its work on you!
December 20th, 2009 at 8:02 pmIt is my deepest prayer that Sen Coburn not make it to this vote. In fact, I pray to the almighty that no Republican ever make it to another vote. Dearest Heavenly Father, please let all those who vote along the conservative line, be they Dem or Republican not make this, or any other, vote ever again.
Amen
December 20th, 2009 at 8:03 pmLevi,
I’m sorry. I was completely mistaken on the definition of a geodesic dome and retract my criticism. Being familiar with Barnes Wallace’s geodesic aircraft structures, I don’t know why I got confused. In an attempt to cure my ignorance, what is the definition of a solid dome constructed of angled blocks, like an igloo or minaret?
December 20th, 2009 at 8:07 pmAsk Tracist, he is the engineer.
I don’t know what it is called, but it is an ancient construction of an arch, or more accurately, multiple arches overlayed, forming a dome. It’s probably called a dome…
December 20th, 2009 at 8:12 pmOops, not engineer, architect. Hard to keep the wingnut lies straight.
December 20th, 2009 at 8:13 pmCoburn’s statement is over the line and he should be condemned. There is no amount of explanation that can make the statement any less odious.
December 20th, 2009 at 8:15 pmHeyyyyy…. this is what they are down to now…..
December 20th, 2009 at 8:18 pmLevi,
Architecture is just a type of applied engineering. But, I will be searching for that definition!
December 20th, 2009 at 8:20 pmTommy should be sent home for just being a dick-head…since he clearly has nothing to add here, just get him out of the room.. Maybe he can go to Uganda where he’s trying to get murder legalized or just back to Oklahoma where it already is, but either way – MAKE HIM LEAVE!
December 20th, 2009 at 8:22 pmAh yes. If one asks Wiki the right question? The answer is forthcoming. It looks like I was thinking of a “pendentive dome”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendentive
December 20th, 2009 at 8:25 pmEvery architect I’ve worked with has a large, inflated ego, no patience and chatty mouth. They are their own worse enemies.
December 20th, 2009 at 8:29 pmSo much for McCain’s cry for comity, as though the Republican had any concern for fair play, or honorable behavior. (Al Franken’s objecting to Republican stall tactics)
December 20th, 2009 at 8:41 pmThey spend most of their efforts to distort, or invent discourse for it’s own sake, and like a spoiled teen changing the subject from their own poor behavior.
Something bugs me from the OP link
The Senate should be able to interrupt the reading on occasion and request a quick roll call. If there isn’t a sufficient amount of Senators in the chamber (say, 40) listening to the reading, then call it off. If you’re going to demand they read it aloud then you should be obliged to stay the whole time to listen.
December 20th, 2009 at 8:43 pmIIRC Coburn is part of ‘The Family’ and what they have is done is revised the bible. They say it was wrong that helping the poor would bring Jesus back to Earth but that helping the rich would bring Jesus back to Earth.
Its why they are against using the peoples money to help the people and instead funnel it to the already wealthy. I think it just an odd way to rationalize their greed while still saying they follow the teachings of the bible.
December 20th, 2009 at 8:49 pmDoctor Death Coburn is a vile P.O.S. He should really hope there isn’t a god, cuz if there is he’s fcuked.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:05 pmThe GOP is made up of John Birchers, Ku Klux Klan, Teabagging degenerates,homeschooled wingnuts, and NASCAR fans. There was a day that the GOP fought to keep these terrorists out of the party and now the good senators and congress people are playing into their hateful acts. I am going to pray for the demise of the GOP tonight.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:09 pmIt’s the belief that the rich are rich because they have been blessed by Gawd.
Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker along with Pat Robertson were among the first I know of to promote this bastard view of The BuyBull.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:09 pmThere is nothing Christian about the ‘Family’. Ironic isn’t it? These guys complain that people warp the Koran to suit their purpose, and yet, they want to rewrite the Bible to suit THEIR needs. I need a drink.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:10 pmMy party hopes all those free health clinic goers don’t make it. This rhetoric is the representative nature of my pure party.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:11 pmI find it odd the good doctor did his pre-med in Accounting before Med school. Just Ironic.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:18 pmYa, The ‘C-Street’ Cell is part of the larger ‘Family’ organization or cult. They meet most of the criteria for radicals, religious extremists, and political extremists, including a need for power. They even embark on mysterious liaisons around the globe to gain power and influence.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:26 pmAn evil cult infiltrating the highest levels of U.S. government sounds like a weird cross between Tom Clancy and Dan Brown novels. But after the actions of the Bush Administration, nothing surprises me any more.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:32 pmAnyone who doesn’t have insurance should stop by the The Family on C-street and get a taste of their medicine on the basement floor. Dr. Coburn will be waiting …
December 20th, 2009 at 9:32 pmDefeat of any health care bill was paramount to a long term strategy of neutralizing the Democrats. Coburn may have been invoking something of a quarterback’s Hail Mary at halftime.
The public perception is the Republicans can’t deliver and Obama and the Democrats are having success. They have alienated the Democrats and they may just have alienated the majority of the country.
The poker hand Coburn and his buddies are holding looks bad!.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:33 pmTheir thinking has made it obvious they are the fear party. We should not even use the word party.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:45 pmThey are fear freaks!
Can you imagine what life must be like for that “group” of freaks?
They think in terms of fear.
They should know fear does not come from GOD.
In the Bible it says faith replaces fear, where there is faith fear cannot exist.
What will theye do when they don’t get their way? How much weirder can they get?
I still believe there should be some mental requirements to be in elected office. At least a personality inventory exam.
Accounting before med-school? Holy hell. No wonder there’s such a thing as a “republican doctor.”
December 20th, 2009 at 9:45 pmWhat the GOP REALLY means … says:
Accounting before med-school? Holy hell. No wonder there’s such a thing as a “republican doctor.”
They specialize in operating on your wallet.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:54 pmWell libs, another day, another bunch of thinly veiled threats from my party that only seem to get thicker by the day. You all know what to expect from my party; you’ve all known for a long time.
I will think about you all before I go to sleep. I will then do something else. Then I will go to sleep. Good night.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:06 pmK, Coburn, I’m praying. I’m praying that those of you that claim to be christian will remember what you were taught in Sunday School…whatever you do for the poorest, the homeless, the sick, those in prison, that is what you do for Christ. I won’t pray that someone cannot vote, but that those of you that do will do so in accordance with the command to love thy neighbor as thyself.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:42 pmYOU too can ask Dr. “Death” what he meant by those comments:
http://coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactSenatorCoburn.Home
Washington D.C.:
172 Russell Senate Office Bldg.
Washington, DC 20510
Main: 202-224-5754
Fax: 202-224-6008
Tulsa:
1800 South Baltimore
Suite 800
Tulsa, OK 74119
Main: 918-581-7651
Fax: 918-581-7195
Oklahoma City:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:14 pm100 North Broadway
Suite 1820
Oklahoma City, OK 73102
Main: 405-231-4941
Fax: 405-231-5051
Hello, VDT. Do you have a rational argument that our elected officials should resort to casting spells in hopes of hindering their opponents or, are you just another stupid troll who has nothing to add to the conversation?
December 20th, 2009 at 11:27 pmIt would be one thing if Coburn prayed that a Democratic Senator would change his or her mind on the vote. But to pray that a US Senator would be unable to vote is very troubling. Even if he didn’t mean, as mobsters said in B movies, that he wanted them to meet with a little accident, the taxpayers of the US pay US Senators to vote on bills and the people of each state deserve 2 US Senators voting on bills. To pray that a US Senator would be unable to vote is at a minimum a prayer that a US state and all of their citizens be robbed of their full representation in the US Senate. That’s unconstitutional. Coburn is praying that a US state not be represented in Congress as the US Constitution requires. He prayed that the US Constitution be violated right there on the Senator floor. Keep in mind that in his oath of office Coburn swore to uphold and defend the Constitution which he now wants to be violated, thereby violating his own oath of office. Based on that alone he needs to go onto the Senate floor and explain himself as Durbin has asked.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:34 pmMost in America are republican. I went on a search for a doctor who was a democrat last summer and I had a very hard time finding one.
The look on thier faces was priceless when they asked me what difference it makes and I told them exactly what I thought.
I did find a democratic doctor and I have not regretted it one bit.
There is a difference. Don’t let anyone tell you there isn’t.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:35 pmirishjoe,
At the risk of contradicting my lifelong atheism, all I can say is:
Amen!
December 20th, 2009 at 11:37 pmI’ve never asked the political affiliations of my doctors. But to a man, and woman, they have all agreed that the current insurance system is a nightmare. They resent having an insurance bureaucrat dictate care when they are the ones examining the patient and applying their skills to determine the best course of treatment.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:49 pmFred ♪♫♪,
I have tried to engage several doctors in political discussions; privately and professionally. I’ve yet to find one that was willing to make a unequivocal commitment. Perhaps I’ve just been lucky?
On the other hand: the nurses I engaged during my recent hospital visits were eager to see health care reform. I suppose that goes to show that more nurses are concerned with patient care than many doctors. But? I have found that most doctors and nurses are practicing a vocation rather than pursuing a mere avenue to income.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:50 pmI got tired of being run through like it was a car wash and all they wanted to do was bill me.
The worst part was not getting any help at all and still having to pay for it, time after time.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:53 pmI offended quite a few of them. This I know, it was clear. I do not care one bit.
I was persistant and creative. As you say, they are all hesitant to discuss it.
I wound up contacting the local Democratic party and met several doctors through them.
It wasn’t easy or fun but it was worth it.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:56 pmI should probably add that I’ve had 17 hospital “visits” in the last four years. I’ve had waaaaaay too much opportunity to chat with health care professionals!
December 20th, 2009 at 11:57 pmNurses I agree. Don’t kid yourself about many doctors. They are in it strictly for the money.
What kind of doctor persues a vocation by manuevering into the specialties that only the desperate contact and then charge them through the roof.
Those types are premidonas(sp) in my opinion. American doctors make way too much money to be dedicated.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:01 amPete, you are probably old enough to remember when going to the doctor didn’t break families, even if they didn’t have insurance. In fact in those days, the 50’s & 60’s, most Americans didn’t have health insurance.
Why did it not bankrupt families then when one got sick and it does now?
December 21st, 2009 at 12:03 amHey pete, didn’t you post a while back that you called 911 from your hospital room? A sad comment on many of our hospitals, but darned creative.During my mother’s recent hospitalization I was afraid I might wind up calling the homicide detectives.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:06 am@ 95. dixie blood says: Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) is a hateful, useless, UnAmerican, traitorous, corporate-dick-sucking, worthless, murderous, tiny piece of cat shit! December 20th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
dang it, dixie, I keep having to tell ya that cat shit is a noble material compared to Tom Coburn and a few other pols, Republipimps, cons and neocons. Tom Coburn is lower than the pus from a zit on the Devil’s Anus.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:11 amFred ♪♫♪,
I’ve been fortunate. I’ve seen doctors who were exhausted and overwhelmed but, I can’t say that any of them were more concerned with their paycheck than treating me. And that includes a few who couldn’t figure out what was wrong with me. I’m talking about interns and residents I’ve seen in the hospital. Considering the fact that my condition is VERY rare and little understood, I can’t fault them.
That’s not to say that I wasn’t, sometimes, angry at their failure to diagnose me. And I continue to be frustrated by the lack of a definitive treatment. I have come to the conclusion that medicine is part Voodoo and part shooting “craps”.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:12 amOutstandingInMyField,
Yes. I did call 911 from my hospital room. It was VERY traumatic. However, it was more a case of the staff being overwhelmed than real incompetence or lack of concern.
I had an allergic reaction to a medication that doesn’t typically cause allergic reactions. Since I’ve had allergic reactions to insect stings, I knew the symptoms before the staff realized my condition was urgent. And, to be fair, once the doctor came in he realized the problem the moment he saw me.
That incident convinced me that one must be assertive when facing a health problem. I have tremendous respect for most health care professionals but, they are human and prone to human mistakes.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:23 amIt may be news to the pentecostal repiggies, but they are also going to die.
No one escapes death.
Rapture is crapture, morons.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:25 am@ 108. 108.pete says: Levi, I’m sorry. I was completely mistaken on the definition of a geodesic dome and retract my criticism. Being familiar with Barnes Wallace’s geodesic aircraft structures, I don’t know why I got confused. In an attempt to cure my ignorance, what is the definition of a solid dome constructed of angled blocks, like an igloo or minaret? December 20th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
109.Levi the Oracle says: Ask Tracist, he is the engineer. I don’t know what it is called, but it is an ancient construction of an arch, or more accurately, multiple arches overlayed, forming a dome. It’s probably called a dome… December 20th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
From Wolfram’s Mathworld: Geodesic Dome – A geodesic dome is a triangulation of a Platonic solid or other polyhedron to produce a close approximation to a sphere (or hemisphere).
According to Wolfram (and various geometers, I would think), Buckminster Fuller started with an icosahedron in constructing his geodesic dome. A dome is just a partial sphere. An arch is a cross-section through a dome, that is, it’s a part of a circle’s circumference; any slice through a sphere yields a circle.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:29 amFred ♪♫♪
The sad fact is that, in America, people have always gone broke trying to fight illness. My mother was diagnosed with emphysema in 1969 and by the time she died, in 1978, Dad was broke.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:31 amVirtual Pebble,
Yes. An arch is a two-dimensional section of a dome. However, a geodesic structure is one that uses many straight sections to create a curved structure. Once again, Wiki explains it better than I could.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodesic
December 21st, 2009 at 12:39 amI’m glad it worked out for ya pete. I don’t have issues with most health care workers either, but I did spend a lot of time trying to convince folks that while my mom was confused, she was never as confused as she was after she came to their hospital. No one would hear me, she’s 82 and pretty much got shunted off to the crazy old lady hospital service. It ended up being a reaction to an antibiotic they were giving her. she’s doing loads better now. I do suspect that the government got billed for way loads of medical mistakes, and hope that a change that requires hospitals to bill according to the outcome of an episode will provide incentive to diagnose the real problem and not rely on what someone’s daughter is able to glean from the internet.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:40 am@ 155. pete …
that’s basically correct. a geodesic solid can be thought of as the expansion into 3 dimensions of laying out a hexagon on a circle in 2-d. The geodesic lines intersect the spherical surface; each point of intersection is a vertex for several such geodesics. There’s more than one such solid that can be constructed that way; the icosahedron that Fuller used is just one such solid. All of them use an isoceles or equilateral triangle as the base planar form.
I could continue for several more paragraphs, but wiki and wolfram are much more succinct, and they have illustrations; I’m sure there’s one or two in the link you put up.
Your reference to pendentive domes was useful; there did have to be a name for that type of structure – it’s been around long enough and architects do tend to have labels for things like that.
The architect tracy was probably just a Howard Roard kinda guy, yanno (dreaming wet daydreams of John Galt in his mother’s basement).
December 21st, 2009 at 12:57 amOutstandingInMyField,
I’m glad your mom is doing better. I think that the point I’ve been trying to make is; many of the problems with American health care are faults in the system rather than faults with the caregivers. Humans make mistakes and those mistakes are compounded by the structure of American health care.
In my case, at the risk of getting too graphic and excepting the allergic reaction, the doctors were given three conditions.
1. Puking blood.
2. Puking without blood.
3. No longer puking.
Once I stopped puking, and getting my blood chemistry back in normal limits after all that puking and bleeding, they sent me home. I finally got it figured out but, given an unusual condition, the system prevented a G.I. doctor spending the time to accurately diagnose me.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:57 amNice. I’m sure that god likes being a part of a plan that prevents people from health care.
GF42
December 21st, 2009 at 1:00 amI have a friend that is a loss control manager at a hospital here.She has told me herself that you cannot depend on the hospital staff to supervise your loved ones care, especially throughout the night. My son almost died in the hour that I left him in the hospital, thinking that he was in good hands.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:08 amModern medicine can do miraculous things, but the wrong treatment can cause death or permanent injury, in the blink of an eye.
Virtual Pebble
As a lifelong airplane nut, there is no excuse for my misunderstanding of a geodesic structure. I attribute it to equal parts: age, football games, and forgetfulness.
Sir Barnes Wallace was an English engineer who designed a rigid airship and several airplanes with geodesic structures. He created complex curved structures from straight bits of aluminum. He designed some of the strongest structures to ever take wing despite their “skin” being fabric.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:09 amSame with us pete, the system made it very difficult to have a neurologist finally consult and confirm the error, where I live no doctor can intervene unless the hospital’s doctors give permission. (WTF is a hospitalist?) I understand why some are afraid of being judged with an evidence based outcome system.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:11 amCockburn needs to leave God out of this matter.
Should God get involved I doubt s/he will be amused by Cockburn’s activities.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:12 amokie dokie,
There are horror stories everywhere and the lesson is that one can’t trust health care workers and doctors any more than any other stranger. And having “bean counters” in the decision loop is catastrophic. Having witnessed doctors spending 5 minutes at a crack with patients in crisis, I’ve given great thought to the systemic problem with health care for profit.
All patients are not equal, all doctors are not equal, and all nurses are not equal. And none of them should be subject to a clock or efficiency rating.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:22 amI guess Gawd wasn’t listening to Cockburn because he doesn’t exist or he hates Rethugs.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:23 amPeople like Coburn, and his cult, use religion as a bully club to guilt people to submit to their wishes or opinions.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:27 amIt’s some narcistic guilt crap that people buy into to feel self rightous.
I’m so tired of his phony “higher standard of morality” b.s..
BTY, I could pray every day that he and Inhofe don’t make it to the Senate to vote, but that would be egocentric, wouldn’t it?
I’d rather just leave it to karma.
OutstandingInMyField ,
In my case, I basically had to demand being admitted in order to see a specialist and get the tests I needed. Then I, finally, discovered that I was seeing the wrong specialists. I was seeing G.I. specialists, who were stumped, for a neurological condition for a couple years. And even my neurologist has only seen three cases in his career and the symptoms aren’t uniform. It would have been less traumatic if I hadn’t extended my unique personality to my illness.
My late father probably said it best when he said; “Pete, you have a rare ability to trip on your own foreskin”. I told him it was “phucked up genes”.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:35 amSen Coburn’s “god” said NO this evening.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34498942/ns/politics-health_care_reform/
Lieberman voted with the Dems — this time.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:37 amIn dealing with my family member’s care in the hospital, my big objection has been seeing how the incredible amount of paperwork distracts them from their duties and empathy. For the most part, the people I see in the industry, hospitals and hospice workers, are truly healers. Their focus is so distracted by a system of numbers and required formalities.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:41 amAlmost all of the Republicans and Dems today were born after the Depression and its effects. I believe that for Republicans and some conservaDems the Depression and its hardships are meaningless. They may have heard their parents talk about how hard things were, but these conservatives have no affinity with those stories. Their parents are now deceased and there is no one old enough to retell all that happened. These conservatives are trying to revise the history of the Depression by claiming Roosevelt made it worse because that is their justification for not having empathy for anyone else. Just my two cents.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:43 amokie dokie,
That’s the point I’ve been trying to make. When healing becomes a business, rather than a vocation, it fails. Politics, insurance, and rhetoric be damned. The best thing we can do, as a society, is to eliminate the profit motive from health care. My uncle was a dentist during the Great Depression in a farm town that didn’t have another resident doctor. He pulled teeth, stitched wounds, and delivered babies. And, as often as not, he was paid in chickens and produce. Those old enough to remember him would have laid down their lives for him, as he would theirs.
And, on that note, I must say:
G’night, good people.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:50 amYou too, invisible VDT.
pags2,
I think that two Depression references in 7 minutes counts as a “jinx”. As the kids would say; “I owe you a Coke”. Although those kids are kids no longer.
G’night, again.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:54 amI think you have a very good point, pags2.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:54 amI was raised by parents whose childhood during the depression altered their way of life tremendously, and they felt like FDR literally saved the country from hopeless poverty. They also deeply felt like they were a part of the reconstruction of THEIR country, and that any program that contributed the economic security of all Americans was rightous.
December 21st, 2009 at 2:01 am
OutstandingInMyField says:
Same with us pete, the system made it very difficult to have a neurologist finally consult and confirm the error, where I live no doctor can intervene unless the hospital’s doctors give permission. (WTF is a hospitalist?) I understand why some are afraid of being judged with an evidence based outcome system.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:11 am
December 21st, 2009 at 2:03 am~~~~~~
A physician that has no other practice but being in the hospital. They generally know next to nothing about the patient other than what is in the chart. (it’s a sort of ‘cover your a$$ for the hospital; kind of a ‘case manager’ – they’ll ‘discuss’ and are suppose to co-ordinate with your primary care physician.
My grandparents would always talk about how Roosevelt saved them from starving. My parents were raised during the Depression but they were too young to remember most of it. In any event, no one in my family ever voted for a Republican until my younger brother who is a staunch Reagan Republican. Of course, I live in Chicago so Republicans are pretty rare here. My grandparents and parents never complained about government spending on the poor. To this day we donate to charity with food and money. My younger brother would not give a dime to anyone even at Christmas time.
December 21st, 2009 at 2:03 amXisithrus says:
Citadel Broadcasting Corp., the nation’s third-largest radio broadcasting company, filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy…
Citadel owns and operates 224 radio stations, including KABC-AM in Los Angeles, WLS-AM in Chicago, WABC-AM and WPLJ-FM …..
WLS Radio used to be the premiere radio station in the Midwest. The signal was so strong you could pick it up in the surrounding states. I don’t know anyone who listens to it. They went from rock and roll to a talk format while the FM is still rock. BTW-the call letters WLS stand for World’s Largest Store which is Sears who owned the station for eons.
December 21st, 2009 at 2:07 amIn a sense, we have had “socialized” medicine throughout the history of our country. My grandparent’s doctor was paid with chickens and produce, as well. It was the doctor’s responsibility to keep the residents of the community as healthy as he could; that was his role in society. I have seen that role encouraged in other country’s healthcare programs, where they reward doctors monetarily for the good health of their patients.
December 21st, 2009 at 2:08 amThe early colonies were socialist but that seems to be lost on the conservatives.
December 21st, 2009 at 2:10 amAM covers wide areas which make it all the easier to fudge demographics. Its why Limbaughs masters picked it I think. A they could inflate the numbers for ad revenue B they could claim [politically] a much larger opposition to current legislation giving politicians something to point at C Its cheap to buy and operate AM stations and regurgitate talking points.
December 21st, 2009 at 2:15 amIronically, pags2 and Xisithrus, my older brother became the family black sheep when he became a devotee to Imus and a hardass conservative. I don’t get Imus at all. He just reminds me of the person that’s always sitting at the end of the bar that you have to ignore while you’re trying to order a drink.
December 21st, 2009 at 2:25 amI have family members and neighbors who identify as conservative and they all think Limbaugh [Imus] is an idiot.
December 21st, 2009 at 2:28 amI’ve never heard him mention Rush, but he’s been listening to Imus for over ten years. All into his weird diet, some kind of illogical mumbler cult.
Nite all.
December 21st, 2009 at 2:36 amI have no doubt every Republican in the world prays for death and mayhem for his fellow Americans every day. Luckily, their God is weak.
The Hall of Republican Memes, where stupid ideas go to die.
December 21st, 2009 at 5:32 amTesting…is this thing on?
December 21st, 2009 at 10:18 amTP fall down, go “boom”.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:18 amI always thought that the self-proclaimed “c”hirstians who prayed Psalms 109 for Pres. Obama were the worst. It seems they’ve just topped their hideousness with the radically-wrong right-whining Sen. Coburn.
Maybe those of us who pray should return the favor and pray Psalms 109 for the GOP?
“Let his days be few; and let another take his office.”
December 21st, 2009 at 10:18 am#86 – DNFP says:
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“TP fall down, go “boom”.”
December 21st, 2009 at 10:18 am
Must’ve been all the snow in DC. ;-)
December 21st, 2009 at 10:25 amIsn’t one of these guys who likes to talk about God’s will. Since the prayer wasn’t answered shouldn’t he realize what God’s will is? I think that God, indeed, is in favor of health reform!
December 21st, 2009 at 10:57 amPerfect case study in how things get out of hand quickly in the progressive blogosphere. TP posts this, and HuffPo follows up with a story that suggests Coburn was referring to Sen. Byrd dying. Absolutely ridiculous. Coburn’s comment is basically a non-story. There are better examples of the radical right-wing agenda than this. Just grasping for straws.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:17 amThis is why we have to hold our noses and show up to vote for Democrats in 2010. We don’t want the christo fascist movement in charge of the congress. Just imagine the kinds of things that would come to the floor.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:17 am@ 161. pete says: Virtual Pebble, As a lifelong airplane nut, there is no excuse for my misunderstanding of a geodesic structure. I attribute it to equal parts: age, football games, and forgetfulness. Sir Barnes Wallace was an English engineer who designed a rigid airship and several airplanes with geodesic structures. He created complex curved structures from straight bits of aluminum. He designed some of the strongest structures to ever take wing despite their “skin” being fabric. December 21st, 2009 at 1:09 am
OT
pete, yeah, it’s a side effect of football; the ball follows a curved trajectory, rather than a series of geodisics (snark). OTOH, Wallis’s geodesic frame for aerostuctures is closely related to the space frame used in some automotive structures; the AC Cobra, a couple of Ferraris and various others, including NASCAR rigs, use space frames.
Regarding Wallis himself and his most famed project, I read “The Dambusters” in the late ’50s when I was in high school.
But back on topic, it seems Senator Coburn’s prayers were not answered last night. That is mildly encouraging.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:20 am@ 190. thirdparty says: Perfect case study in how things get out of hand quickly in the progressive blogosphere. TP posts this, and HuffPo follows up with a story that suggests Coburn was referring to Sen. Byrd dying. Absolutely ridiculous. Coburn’s comment is basically a non-story. There are better examples of the radical right-wing agenda than this. Just grasping for straws. December 21st, 2009 at 11:17 am
I dunno, thirdparty. I think you’re correct about there being better examples of the radical right agenda, but this story is a pretty good example of this Congressional session’s general loss of decorum, particularly on the Republipimp side.
If Coburn issued an explicit threat against a specific Senator, of either party, he’d probably be taken to the woodshed by his leader and then censured, or at least reprimanded. Issuing a less explicit hope for ill to befall one of his colleagues is probably worth a public reminder from the presiding officer to mind his fracking manners.
As for HuffPo, I’ve no way of knowing if they know something TP didn’t, or if it is just supposition. After all, Coburn would probably settle for any or all of the Democratic liberals or progressives to be unable to make a vote.
I think it may be a tad out of it to read a call for action, like one of those Mob “accidents”, into Coburn’s request of the Almighty, but I wouldn’t put it past him to hope that someone out there would be moved by his words. The man is of the lowest order of walking talking turds.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:37 amWell, the problem is that it doesn’t even necessarily imply a “hope for ill to befall one of his colleagues.” By itself, Coburn’s statement can equally be interpreted as totally innocuous. Anyway, it is all a matter of interpretation…though that is why it is frustrating to see this picked up.
As for Coburn, I tend to agree with you, but if you go to his Washington Journal interview, he generally comes across as sensible (except when he says he is as global warming skeptic).
http://cspan.org/Watch/Media/2009/12/18/HP/A/27450/Sen+Tom+Coburn+ROK.aspx
December 21st, 2009 at 11:40 am@ 194. thirdparty …
The incident surely says more about Coburn’s attitude than anything else, but I wouldn’t sign off on it as innocuous. There are too many loons out there, some of whom may be getting jacked up on loose talk.
Sure, any number of people, including myself, may have hoped privately for a no-show under some circumstance or other. Coburn, however, didn’t exactly stay private though, did he?
While I’m fairly sure the whole nation wasn’t listening to him, he did issue his call for prayers for an absence to one and all, etc. He could be a little more circumspect about that kind of thing. It may be common in Oklahoma to stand on their capitol dome and thunder righteousness, but he ain’t in Tulsa no mo’, yanno?
December 21st, 2009 at 11:53 amAside from all that, I’m more than a little peeved at Coburn. When he decided to try to use stoppage of various veterans and VA related bills as part of his own contribution to obstructionism, he just flat pissed me off.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:57 amYeah, Coburn has been negative, a whole bunch of them are being negative. Politico had a piece just the other day on people getting cranky. I have no problem criticizing a lack of decorum, and I think we’ve seen it from both parties over the last month. Anyway, my only issue is that an off-the-cuff comment, likely meaning no harm, gets elevated to the point where people are jumping to conclusions. Durbin jumped to the conclusion that it had to do with a death, TP jumped to the same conclusion, and then HuffPo jumps to the conclusion that he is referring to Byrd. So my critique is mainly about how this has snowballed, and that it is a sign of the silly season.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:59 amWell, fair enough. He’s pretty ardent in his general criticism on of the VA, which basically goes like this: Some VA hospitals are good, some are bad, all are very inefficient and we should instead just allow Veterans to go to any hospital they want in the US – VA or otherwise. He makes this point in the CSPAN video I linked in post 194.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:01 pmMust’ve been all the snow in DC. ;-)
That’s why the most popular/successful host/server locale is the West coast.
Until there’s an earthquake.
:^o
December 21st, 2009 at 12:27 pmThis is totally consistent with much of the self-righteous, inflammatory nonsense being spewed by the right wing ever since Obama was elected. We have Bachmann calling on her constituents to take up arms against the federal government, preachers praying for Michele Obama to become a widow, radio talk show hosts encouraging listeners to cause physical harm to federal judges, etc.
Apparently, democracy only matters when their candidates are elected.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:29 pmSen. Coburn, I pray that YOU quit mocking God!
December 21st, 2009 at 1:02 pmRe: “By itself, Coburn’s statement can equally be interpreted as totally innocuous.”
NOTHING Coburn says can or should be interpreted as “totally innocuous.” The man is a nut as far as I’m concerned. I don’t understand why my fellow Oklahomans keep sending idiots like him and Jim Inhofe to represent us; it gets a little tiresome to visit friends and family in other states and constantly get a barrage of questions along the lines of “Where do you find these people?”
December 21st, 2009 at 1:28 pmSo basically Coburn is praying that one state only has half the say of the rest. Isn’t that the epitome of un-Americanism? It’s bad enough that a minority of America has more of a say than the majority because minuscule states have just as much state as populous states like California and New York. Coburn ought to pray that others aren’t praying he can’t make some or all of his votes. I for one would vote to abolish the Senate — or at least make it more representative of the American population.
December 21st, 2009 at 5:32 pm@ 198. thirdparty says: … Well, fair enough. He’s pretty ardent in his general criticism on of the VA, which basically goes like this: Some VA hospitals are good, some are bad, all are very inefficient and we should instead just allow Veterans to go to any hospital they want in the US – VA or otherwise. He makes this point in the CSPAN video I linked in post 194. December 21st, 2009 at 12:01 pm
His criticism may be to the point, or not; he does have some professional interest in increasing the private practitioner’s portion of any public money’s spent – it’s not like he’s disinterested. I might add that over the years I’ve heard a few of my fellow vets pitch a b*tch about the VA, but not recently. A lot of complaints started dropping off in the mid to late ’90s; there may have been a “customer” service improvement effort department-wide. I know that a number of sites in the department have instituted quality improvement programs.
But all that is beside the point. He didn’t just make a pointed criticism of variability in quality of care. That would be useful and perhaps actionable. What he did was stop consideration of finance and budget bills affecting vets and the VA.
I don’t mind him critiqueing policy and process, but if he doesn’t have hard data to put on the table to support the critique, it isn’t worth much.
I very much mind his stopping funding legislation for partisan purposes.
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