FLASHBACK: Obama Repeatedly Touted Public Option Before Refusing To Push For It In The Final Hours
FLASHBACK: Obama Repeatedly Touted Public Option Before Refusing To Push For It In The Final Hours
In recent days, there has been an uproar in the progressive community over the Senate’s decision to drop the public option from its health care bill in order to reach the crucial 60 votes needed to break a filibuster. Given that many liberals backed a single-payer, Medicare-for-all system, the public option was seen as a political compromise.
“I didn’t campaign on the public option,” President Obama told the Washington Post. But he touted the public option on his campaign website and spoke frequently in support of it during the first year of his presidency, citing its essential value in holding the private insurance industry accountable and providing competition:
– In the 2008 Obama-Biden health care plan on the campaign’s website, candidate Obama promised that “any American will have the opportunity to enroll in [a] new public plan.” [2008]
– During a speech at the American Medical Association, President Obama told thousands of doctors that one of the plans included in the new health insurance exchanges “needs to be a public option that will give people a broader range of choices and inject competition into the health care market.” [6/15/09]
– While speaking to the nation during his weekly address, the President said that “any plan” he signs “must include…a public option.” [7/17/09]
– During a conference call with progressive bloggers, the President said he continues “to believe that a robust public option would be the best way to go.” [7/20/09]
– Obama told NBC’s David Gregory that a public option “should be a part of this [health care bill],” while rebuking claims that the plan was “dead.” [9/20/09]
Despite all this overt advocacy for the public option, it appears that Obama was reticent to apply the political pressure necessary to get the plan in the final hours of congressional negotiation. Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) — who threatened to filibuster the creation of any new public plan or expansion of Medicare — told the Huffington Post that he “didn’t really have direct input from the White House” on the public option and was never specifically asked to support it.
Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI), one of the most ardent backers of public insurance, blamed the demise of the public option on a “lack of support from the administration.” Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY) — perhaps the most visible defender of the public option in the entire health care debate — went even further, saying that Obama’s lack of support for congressional progressives amounted to him being “half-pregnant” with the health insurance and drug industries.
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December 22nd, 2009 at 4:01 pmBetrayal:
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:08 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOW-9plqNpc
“I didn’t campaign on the public option.”
You f ucked up, Mr President.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:08 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
i’m sorry,
is his first term already over and done?
is this the last legislative session ever?
never too soon to declare defeat and throw in the towels, right fellow lefties????
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:10 pmtombaker,
Telling the President that he f ucked up does not mean I’ve thrown in any towel, it’s a statement of fact on this issue.
I certainly hope no one here is giving up on health care reform or this administration.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:13 pmStop it, haven’t you listened to the trolls?
We only walk lock-step in singular ideology, remember???
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:16 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I can’t believe you folks are this dense. On what planet does Obama pushing on Joe Lieberman to vote for a PO result in Joe changing his mind?!?!?!?
The gig was up. He might as well have pushed on a rope. Would that have made you feel better? Please, stop the stupid.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:17 pmHere’s my take on giving up:
Never give up…
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:17 pmhey billy kristol jr., when in the heck have you ever been right about anything?
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:18 pmAnd how is Joe effing LIEberman now a source for truth? Seriously guys? I mean, this is the dude who’s been lying through his teeth for the past several months. But he’s trustworthy on this? What have you been smoking?
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:21 pmI can’t believe you people or anyone believes anything that comes out of Lieberman’s mouth.
But really, isn’t it possible that Obama understood that industry money and red-state politics were going to prevent a public option through this avenue anyway, so why grandstand and embarrass congressional Democrats? It could be that he knows what he’s doing. We’ll see.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:22 pmGood catch, ComradeJake. You beat me to it.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:23 pmIt appears that the President’s own words speak more harshly against him than anything Joe Lieberman had to say.
And, it’s clear that Joe Lieberman was not the only source for this post, so WTF y’all?
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:26 pmYes it is true, Obama did explicitly campaign on the public option. The decision not to campaign for it during these Congressional debates, was a horrible one and amounts to a broken campaign promise besides.
But we’re not done here. This is getting passed, and as such it lays the groundwork for turning around and tackling the problem again and again until we get it fixed. As long as a Congressional bill doesn’t actually get shut down, you can always go right back to the same issue.
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STORM says:
HAHAHAHAAHHA And he’s done.
Dude if that’s all it took to sink an administration, Dubya would have had to resign on 9/12.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:26 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
He’s trying to sell a health care bill that will cover 30 million Americans. That’s good.
He cannot possibly go around saying this is a bad deal. It is a compromise, but then that’s how government works.
http://www.political-buzz.com/
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:30 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Maybe Obama will shock the Republicans with a signing statement that adds single payer.
OK, I know its an absurd fantasy, but one can dream.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:30 pmI am sorry to say that I am disappointed in President Obama.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:30 pmI campaigned for him and voted for him.
I am all for the health bill but in order to get the necessary votes
The President cave in to some Blue-Dogs Democrats and gave them
MILIONS in PORK so they will vote for a striped down Health-Bill.
I would rather see the bill fail in the senate than give the senators our
money as PORK.
Sorry Mr. President I shout that you will stand on your principals.
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Does TP really think this game is over? Really?
I don’t think so. I’m hoping for a change in Senate rules at the beginning of the next session, which I believe can be done with a simple majority. I’d like the vote for cloture rule to be reduced to 55. It’s a reasonable response to the fact that Republicans have not acted in good faith and have trashed the traditional filibuster guidelines to use it as a tool of general obstruction on everything.
Or, we could see Medicare expanded under budget reconciliation.
What this is is the first round of serious insurance regulations/reforms – I expect more will come.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:31 pmI like Obama, I do, but he’s a politician like EVERY OTHER POLITICIAN, prone to selective memory.
But, yeah, it kind of sucks when “your guy” gets caught suffering from it.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:32 pmLevi the Oracle says:
OK, I know its an absurd fantasy, but one can dream.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Troll-kind would wet their pants with joy if GWB did it.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:32 pm“And, it’s clear that Joe Lieberman was not the only source for this post, so WTF y’all?”-Zooey
Well, he’s the main source for the notion that Obama didn’t push for the PO in the “final hours”.
Not that it matters. I still don’t understand why anyone is disappointed with Obama for refusing to bash his head against the Joe Lieberman wall over the past month.
News flash people: JOE LIEBERMAN WAS NEVER GOING TO VOTE FOR THE PO. NEVER. NO JOE, NO 60, NO BILL.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:34 pmPresident Obama has been walking a fine line on the public option and I think he has done the right thing. The reforms included in this Senate bill go further in cost reductions than did the House bill. In addition, there is growing momentum to roll out benefits sooner than the initial schedule dictated. I am growing more comfortable with the intent and extent of this round of reform.
The important thing is to get this done and get it implemented. If additional changes need to be made, it will be easier with this foundation already laid. The worst possible outcome would have been to have the whole initiative held hostage to a “public option” and that would likely have happened.
After the first of the year, this administration and Congress needs to pivot quickly to focus on the economy and reducing its operating deficit.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:38 pmZooey: “And, it’s clear that Joe Lieberman was not the only source for this post, so WTF y’all?”
If you all remember, a few months ago, Obama started saying what he wanted was choice and to lower costs and that he felt the public option achieved that, but if Congress had another way to do that, he would sign it. Why would he do this? Maybe because by that time, he knew Dems were not going to get enough votes to break a filibuster on that.
So, you are all angry at Obama for not embarassing the Democratic party over about four of its members. Nobody seems to remember that all 40 Repubs didn’t support anything and that more than five of them come from blue states.
Blue dog Dems represent red states. I’d like people to start thinking about Republicans who represent blue states.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:39 pmLet me think. Who was it that initiated the legislation for a health care reform bill?
Who would have done it if he hadn’t?
Just because this think has gone downhill does not reflect badly on Obama in my opinion.
We would have exactly nothing without him.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:39 pmwhereas you were lame from day one, turnip truck.
stfu and pay your taxes, crybaby.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:40 pmAnd I say that this snake has already turned around and bitten him.
The simplistic news polls quote high levels of folk who disapprove of the plan. What they don’t say is how many are against the plan because it isn’t conservative and how many are against the plan (and the President) because it didn’t go far enough.
These numbers are gonna continue to decrease the “political capital” which the president may use.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:40 pmFred @30: Excellent point. Someone had to get the ball rolling on this, and we all know the republicans don’t have the testicular fortitude….
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:41 pmDefine “public Option”. Why does the choice option need to be called the public option? The mechanism of the non profit organizations created by this bill will take on the effect that the public option was designed to achieve. The beauty of the non profit stature is that they are not directly operated by the government. Henceforth, this is not, not that it ever was, about “government take-over of health care”.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:42 pmThe non profits are designed to work with insurers, regulated by the government through this bill, to get people back into the market and maintain competition. Also, this bill eliminates the insurance company 100 year old anti-trust exemption.
As David Axelrod poignantly pointed out. This bill is not perfect, but we can work with it over time to make it more perfect. As opposed to holding out for perfection. Has anyone on this site ever seen a perfect piece of legislation? I have not. All legislation is living and breathing much like our constitution; amendable at later dates in the continuum of time.
You can’t always get what you want,
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:43 pmBut if you try sometime,
You might find,
You get what you need.
I voted AGAINST Palin/McCain and I’ll vote against any dynamic duo republicans nominate in the future!!
I honestly believe President Obama wants healthcare for everyone. Look at the ignorant, venomous, partisan opposition this POTUS has had to endure in addition to wimpy democrats allegedly in his corner . .
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:44 pmOk what’s going on here with the comments. Now I listen to President Obama for over two years. Even during my 5 month vacation about his health care plan. He was wise enough to know many of his request would be denied, but like most of our smart leaders there’s a backup plan. Now the Republican Senators didn’t want any health care and the rest of the GOP Branches did their best to twist/spin/lie with the help of the Media/Press. Here’s the bottom line, Congress has to pass the final vote with each Branch. Obama has time to amend the Bill so don’t be to quick to say he didn’t get what he wants. The trick is knowing how to work the system without breaking the rules of the US Constitution. Now it’s been 8 years of the GOP doing what they wanted and not reporting to the American people. Most Americans have no idea what Bills were passed during 2000 -2008 and we are seeing the results. As recent of yesterday Americans are attacking Obama for letting Goldman Sachs move in to a new building funded by taxpayers. Yet no one questioned Goldman Sach Investment Company quickly secretly becoming a Bank just in time for the Bailout money and positioning themselves to benefit from Bush’s Bill of giving funds to any company that has an office on the World Trade Center site. It’s so easy to fool people when no one is given the information or they don’t better to ask what’s going on. This is the first time Americans have been given transparentcy and we have to look back to see what we missed. Obama will get his Bill and all the protection he spoke of just have a little faith and remember the wing nuts are working you.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:44 pmFVNY says:
Its such fun watching you progressives turn on each other!
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Your tiny authoritarian submissive pea-brain can’t comprehend the concept of people on the same side of an issue disagreeing on certain points. It’s called critical thinking by grown-ups.
I know you only feel good when you march in lock step with troll-kind, never having to think, having someone in authority telling what to do and when to do it.
Most people call that pitiful and pathetic — you call it life.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:47 pmdidn’t that one big righty blogger just split from the other big righties?
aarroonnkk can’t comprehend the situation very clearly at all.
he’s 12.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:50 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Astonishingly stupid troll says:
The democrats have given all of their contributors exemptions from paying for the health care plan.
Prove it, arsehole.
You can’t.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:53 pm41. Beethoven Rules says:
Unlike the past eight years that has caused us all to have “no change?” I’ll take this change anyday. Why? Cause it makes sense (cents) of course!!!;-()=
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:55 pmBR – a little fyi for ya –
we haven’t all been turnip-truckin’ the last couple of decades.
if you hadn’t been, you’d know that the only contemporary president to do squat about the debt and the deficit WAS A G*DDAMNED DEMOCRAT.
more thinky, less typey, friend.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:55 pmBeethoven Rules, at least they will be getting something for their money, unlike your spending spree’s.
When have you ever paid for your feckless ideas?
Why do you think what you think we should do matters?
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:56 pmFVNY says:
America will be better off without people like me!
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:54 pm
I fixed your typo.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:57 pmthat’s your ritalin wearing off.
go get some more from your mom.
then take a nap.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:57 pmWhy would you think that? We aren’t the new permanent minority.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:57 pmGood points in your last post, Zooey. It occurs to me that the bill that passed the Senate is, indeed, a bipartisan bill in the sense that it was hammered out by the sixty senators who were committed to reform health insurance. In past decades, many of these sixty senators would not have been considered democrats; however, they are probably more fiscally conservative than many of the republicans who served as lapdogs for GDumbya, the drunken sailor who occupied the Oval office for eight years prior to this past January.
Those in the Senate who have an R after their name (and one with an I), played out their knee-jerk reactionary obstructionist game and they lost. But the Blue-Dogs and the moderate democrats and the truly liberal democrats really did produce a “bipartisan” bill.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:58 pmMy question is: if it was scored the same without the PO, and the PO wouldn’t kick in for 4 or 5 years and wouldn’t be cheaper (based on the CBO analysis) what’s the problem?
The impetus for changing the system was outrage at costs – if costs don’t at least stabilize (if not come down) over the next 3-4 years the pressure will not go away. If the current bill doesn’t do the job Democrats DAMN WELL better amend it so it does.
Since medicare has some serious flaws (for instance fraud – does the current legislation fix medicare’s massive fraud problem?) I recommend fixing medicare first and THEN try to convince the rest of the country that they should sign up. I’m 100% for reform but it doesn’t take a brain surgeon to realize it’s hard to garner support for a plan everyone readily admits is very imperfect itself.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:58 pmperhaps you could point to a fraud-free example, which medicare administrators could emulate to solve that??
obviously, you’re aware of some area of commerce that is fraud-free.
do tell.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:00 pma republican will starve a hundred families to keep from paying one fraud.
a democrat will pay a hundred frauds to make sure every needy family is fed.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:01 pmFVNY says:
Its such fun watching you progressives turn on each other!
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:41 pm
well its not turning on each other its discussing points see the big diff rents >>>>as we all still support our side. Unlike the Cult (GOP) party that has to stay locked jawed to each other
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:02 pmwhich are the perfect systems?
is what you’re getting at that “as long as there is imperfection, nothing should be done about anything”?
if not, what is you point?
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:03 pmdoes the current legislation fix medicare’s massive fraud problem?
President Obama tripled the funding for the Medicare Anti-Fraud and Abuse function within HHS already earlier this year.
This was an important and appropriate action that should begin to pay off immediately.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:03 pmNEWSFLASH
Obama and the Democrats score a HUGE health care victory as Republicans back down and allow an 8AM Christmas Eve vote instead of the previously scheduled 7PM Christmas Eve vote.
It feels so damn empowering knowing that we have people in government really fighting hard for us!
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:05 pmfvny – if you keep posting here, it’s going to make it easier for the IRS to track you down.
i’d lay low, if i was in the kind of trouble you are.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:05 pmNovember 2010 will be here in 11 short months and you will begin to cede power. And in 2012 you will relinquish the White House.
I love conservative prognostication! It’s cartoonish, in it’s absurdity. Here’s a hint: liberals are holding a progressive president responsible for his past positions, something conservatives never attempted when Bush was in charge. That’s why you’re now out of power: your slavish devotion to your party, at the expense of your country.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:06 pmI expected this, with WH being what it is, a capital which is owned by those with a lot of money.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:07 pmThe solution is certainly not to elect a republican president or congress. The solution is working hard and hard to change general opinions and try to reform WH into something more democratic.
The greatest trick Obama ever played was making people forget he was a politician.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:07 pmShamus says:
Obama and the Democrats score a HUGE health care victory as Republicans back down and allow an 8AM Christmas Eve vote instead of the previously scheduled 7PM Christmas Eve vote.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Republicans don’t like to work, and they especially don’t like to work near holidays.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:08 pmFeels good being a socialist here. I vote FVNY up so that someone else can vote his comment into invisibility again.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:08 pmCP says:
The greatest trick Obama ever played was making people forget he was a politician.
On your side of the aisle, he’s an illegit president, but we never forgot who elected him. Too bad you guys punted, when you had the chance to hold Bush accountable. Now you’re in the political wilderness, with no one to blame but your syncophantic selves.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:11 pmAs long as the GOP endorses more conservative/libertarian candidates, they should do quite well ridding the country from the scourge of progressivism!
Hold tight to that fantasy, Bunky. It’ll have to last a long time.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:12 pmRepugs are in the toilet, being the party of no ensures their defeat in future elections. Teabagging each other into oblivion.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:13 pmLevi the Oracle says:
Maybe Obama will shock the Republicans with a signing statement that adds single payer.
That wouldn’t even remotely work. But there’s hope for the budget reconciliation process, IMO.
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FVNY says:
Obama is a lame duck less than a year into his presidency! LOL!
You don’t know what the term “lame duck” actually means in politics, do you?
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tom says:
After the first of the year, this administration and Congress needs to pivot quickly to focus on the economy and reducing its operating deficit.
Health care reform is a focus on the economy. It’s a huge financial drain on every other economic sector.
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Beethoven Rules says:
The democrats have given all of their contributors exemptions from paying for the health care plan.
[citation needed]
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lalaland says:
Since medicare has some serious flaws (for instance fraud – does the current legislation fix medicare’s massive fraud problem?) I recommend fixing medicare first
Calling all inefficiencies in Medicare “fraud” is typically a sneaky attempt to blame consumers rather than fix the system itself. The current bill actually finds $535 billion in savings in Medicare over the next 10 years, according to the CBO.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:13 pmJohn McCain isn’t POTUS because the conservative base and the independents refused to vote for him.
Because independents knew it would be simply a continuation of Bush’s policies. But keep the dream alive!
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:13 pmMcCain/Caribou could run for election a million times and the result would be the same….big fail. Teabagging trolls have a short memory.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:15 pmI nominate this snippet for “hoot of the day”.
thanks aarroonnkk, for brightening the holiday season with your unwitting gift for comedy.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:17 pmElBruce says:
You don’t know what the term “lame duck” actually means in politics, do you?
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:13 pm
FVNY doesn’t know the meaning of most of the words he uses. Nothing new here…
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:17 pmFVNY says:
John McCain isn’t POTUS because the conservative base and the independents refused to vote for him. As long as the GOP endorses more conservative/libertarian candidates, they should do quite well ridding the country from the scourge of progressivism!
Sure, as long as you forget that the independent middle always wins elections. Bringing out a stronger base only makes a difference if the middle is evenly divided.
However, I keep bringing this question up to right-wingers, and they always skulk away: how about Ron Paul or Bob Barr? From what I can see, “true conservatism” as the teabaggers use it isn’t a clearly defined term. And all attempts to define it coherently end up sounding like straight-up libertarianism. So why not just go pure libertarian? They even score well among younger voters, a significant weak spot for the GOP.
Now, I disagree with libertarians, but only because I think their philosophy won’t work in practice. Republican-style right-wingerism is not only unworkable, but also incoherent and hypocritical on a number of fronts. So at least you’d be making a step in the right direction.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:17 pmyou and Huck all the way, fvny!!!
teabaggin’ up a storm in the heart of the heartland!!
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:17 pmFor all those nice quotes, it’s equally easy to find one’s that totally contradict those sentiments.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:18 pmOh yeah, I’m sure it didn’t have anything to do with wars that cost us trillions while you destroyed our economy at home, right?
sheesh.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:18 pmtroll: “John McCain isn’t POTUS because the conservative base and the independents refused to vote for him.”
In your opinion. In your opinion. My opinion is that McCain isn’t POTUS because he got smoked. Obama beat him by 6 or 7 percentage points in the popular vote and almost 200 electoral votes. That’s a big, big win.
You seem to think Repubs are on the come here. Where exactly do you think that happens? Where is their new power base? They’re losing the southwest, they have no chanced in the Northeast, no chance in California and no chance in New York. They’re losing further ground in the Great lakes area and the demographics are going the wrong way for them in Florida. They’d have to gain 40 votes to retake the House and more than 8 Seats to take the Senate. Younger voters coming into the electoral system are overwhelmingly more liberal than what has been considered normal. Boomers becoming seniors are more liberal than seniors have traditionally been.
You and your conservative friends don’t seem to know what’s going on around here.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:19 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:20 pm
let me guess – you went Nader 2000 and helped give us the dummy president too, didn’t ya??
thanks – sorry there isn’t more instant gratification out there for you.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:22 pmI doubt that you ever voted for him.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:24 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
82 – sure – their tiny #’s and misspelled signs will surely fix everything…
what’s your mailing address? – i’ve got an extra tootsie-pop wrapper hat that i’d like you to have.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:25 pmAll for one and one for all when I agree with the majority. And I’m all by myself when I don’t.
Well, I’ve linked them before (and don’t wish to again), but the Prsident consistently and repeatedly signaled in “words” that a public option wasn’t necessary for the process to move forward.
I’m just pointing that out, simple but true.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:26 pmWait a minute, do you think bush was a good pres or did you get duped. The reason I ask is, how would you know one way or the other?
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:27 pmDid Obama push hard publically for the public option? No. The real questions are SHOULD he have done so, what would the political implications be if he had done so, and did he push for the public option in private? We can all (and I include progressive Congressmen in this) be arm chair quarterbacks about this. But Obama is the one in the best position to hear both public and private sentiments and he is the one that has to make the calculations on what is doable. Ultimately, even with Obama as the best damn cheerleader in the land does anyone really believe that the outcome would have been different? I don’t. The Republicans would have been at least as oppositional. The Blue Dog Democrats would have had increased pressure from back home to be even more oppositional. And Lieberman would have, well, been Lieberman. By being too much out in front, Obama would have been spending a considerable amount of political capital and set himself up even more to be the “uppity ni**er” in the White House. The bottom line is that Obama is the primary force for this debate getting started and getting this far. As much as I like Feingold and Weiner, I disagree with their blaming Obama for this. It’s their branch of government that didn’t pass a more progressive bill. And let’s not forget what “progressive” means. Getting the debate this far is progress and success breeds success (unless we eat our own and take away their political capital).
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:27 pmExpert, how did you manage to get away from your boyfriend and have the time to post?
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:27 pmheel-dragging and mouthbreathing are not “jobs”.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:29 pmOne thing that never seems to change with conservatives these days – they start their touchdown dances way to early.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:29 pmin the constitution, it says that the congress shall draft and ratify legislation.
got a problem with legislation? talk to congress, or about congress.
not the president.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:30 pmI can’t wait till the country is faced with palen/buchanan as a choice. I hope you’re right and they carry on.
It’s sad that you think a favorability rating translates to enough votes to matter though…..carry on with your delusion.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:30 pmFVNY says
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:54 pm
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It’s been a slow afternoon, so I can take a few moments to dissect your drivel:
“You “progressives” are attempting to make light of the events of 2009…”
– Make light? You mean we don’t take the events of this past year seriously? Well, you’re partly right. The teabaggers, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, and trolls such as yourself have given us plenty to laugh at. But we take seriously such issues as health care, the environment, and Afghanistan.
“…but I can sense your depression radiating through the computer.”
– If your computer is emitting radiation in sufficient quantities for you to sense it, you might want to get it replaced. It could be dangerous. In fact, it might be affecting your brain already.
“Because deep down you know your time in the sun is already coming to an end.”
– We’ve heard this before. In fact, you trolls have been throwing this at us ever since the midterms of 2006. It’s just your delusional thinking. Will the Democrats remain in power forever? Probably not — no party ever has. But there won’t be any serious competition until the Republicans figure out what’s wrong with their party and fix it, or until another viable party forms. And at the rate the GOP is going, it will be awhile.
“November 2010 will be here in 11 short months and you will begin to cede power.”
– It’s normal for the party not occupying the White House to gain seats in both houses of Congress during the mid-terms. But at the rate the GOP has been kicking people out of the tent, any gains are sure to be smaller than average, and there’s a good chance the GOP will lose even more than they already have.
“And in 2012 you will relinquish the White House.”
– When your number one candidate is Sarah Palin (according to the latest Washington Post poll)? Don’t make me laugh.
“The right wing and independents are already against you.”
– The right wing has always been against progressives. That’s hardly new, nor is it a threat. A few independents have aligned themselves with the teabaggers (the ultra-conservative ones), but most of them are fleeing the GOP tent and their “purity” tests.
“And now many of you are backing away from “your” president because he isn’t radical enough.”
– I think you’re confusing legitimate criticism with “backing away”. See — unlike you kool-aid drinkers, we speak up when we disagree with our leadership. Do you know what that means? It means we disagree with him on a particular issue, or maybe even just one aspect of a particular issue. Do not interpret this as our abandoning him, or that we suddenly wish we had McCain and Palin running the country.
“Very interesting to watch the progressive base cannibalize its own.”
– Who’s getting cannibalized? What you’re seeing is disagreement. Nobody’s getting cannibalized, nobody is getting thrown under a bus, nobody is being left to twist in the wind. That’s what your party does.
“But its good to see the ideology fail so quickly.”
– Our ideology hasn’t failed at all. We may have had to compromise on some legislation to get some of what we want (and guess what — that’s usually how the system works), but the basic ideology is intact and will continue to drive policy, making gains for the better in our country.
“America will be better off without you!”
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:32 pm– This remark is so stupefyingly idiotic, it can stand on its own without rebuttal.
That’s a pretty long post with a lot of material I made just to get a drive-by vote down without commentary.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:32 pmIt’s
it’s
Here come
aaronk, surely you’d be better off mastering 8th grade grammar before devoting yourself to weightier subjects like politics or history.
Just a helpful suggestion.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:33 pmOn the subject of giving up…
I’m starting my own personal crusade to completely overhaul the campaign finance system.
Starting with Maria Cantwell, Patty Murray and Jay Inslee.
Starts with a law that established public funding.
Continues with restrictions on lobbyist access and influence on the legislative process.
Continues with a law that gets around the Supreme Court ruling that $$$ in campaign donations = Free Speech/1st Amendment.
We can go after Health care in 2010, put in a public plan by majority vote after we remove a few more centrists, so donations to opposition democrats in primaries is also on my radar.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:33 pmNot giving up. Except to continue to donate funds to this administration for their half-measures of legislative achievement.
fvny thinks the tea party will save him but what it’s doing is fracturing the republican party.
Carry on.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:34 pmNope, sorry.
Why, is it really important to you that we all feel terrible?
What’s up with that?
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:35 pmtroll doing touchdown dance: “Ignore the fact that the president and congress approval ratings are ridicuously low after just 12 months.”
The latest approval rating CNN approval rating is 54%
The latest AP poll is at 56%
Congressional Democrats: 36%
Congressional Republicans: 29%
Latest Gallop asks would you like Obama’s legislative goals to be achieved: 77% say yes.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:35 pmThe progressive agenda is not the problem. its the republicans who lie and brainwash the very gullible American people.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:35 pmNinerFan says:
One thing that never seems to change with conservatives these days – they start their touchdown dances way to early.
Mission Accomplished!!!????
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:36 pmIgnore the fact that the president and congress approval ratings are ridicuously low after just 12 months…
Like Bush’s 22%?
I think not.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:36 pmor reading crystal balls.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:37 pmCONGRESS – Job Rating
Gallup
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:38 pm12/11-13/09 25% Approve 69% Disapprove
hey, knock it off – he’s only in 6th.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:38 pmSTORM says
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:35 pm
The progressive agenda is not the problem. its the republicans who lie and brainwash the very gullible American people.
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This comment came from STORM? Did he just get namejacked?
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:39 pmHow quickly the little morons forget their cheerleader in chief, who after winning reelection with the lowest margin of any wartime pres. in history, said with characteristic smirk, “I’ve got political capital and I intend to spend it!” Heh, heh, heh, heh.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:39 pmTORM
i disapprove of what’s happening in Congress, too,
but you’d be a major fool to think it puts me on your side.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:39 pmlivelong@54: perfect example! It never changes.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:40 pmI almost feel bad for the progressives. They were so happy nearly a year ago, now their dreams have been torn apart by reality.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:40 pmExpert,
Why don’t you give us advice on something your an Expert on, which is what exactly?
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:42 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
boy, the trolls sure want to spread doom and gloom. I think they did enough of that in the last 8 years.
I guess they want to share thier misery with us. Too bad.
Hey expert, you gonna vote for palin?
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:45 pmSTORM says:
The progressive agenda is not the problem. its the republicans who lie and brainwash the very gullible American people.
I agree with STORM for once!
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:45 pmMiss Molly kicks ass. I wish I could vote up your #95 many more times!
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:45 pmFor the troll who thinks Obama’s ratings are “historically low.”
Truman at this point in ‘52 was at 36%; Kennedy around 55, just like Obama; GHW Bush around low 50’s and GW Bush’s numbers were lingering in the high 40’s until the 9-11 attack. Without that attack, he’s still under 50.
From AP: “Reagan, like Obama, got approval ratings in the high 50s and low 60s during most of his first summer in office,” Holland said. “But as unemployment remained high, Reagan’s approval rating dropped below 50 percent for the first time in November of 1981, and it stayed under 50 percent for the next two years.”
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:45 pmInteresting.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:46 pmDid storm just say something stupid and then call missmolly a dumbass?
Do you crawl on your belly storm? Do you hiss instead of speak?
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:46 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
NinerFan, the troll isn’t interested in facts….it’s arronk, remember?
Good job of pantsing him by the way.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:48 pmstill v/happy, dummy.
hearing you righties piss and moan daily, and throw your tea-princess hissies is an ongoing delight.
Huck appreciates your support.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:50 pmWhich one of these is Aaron?
You mean the troll you totally punked? Or the one that has his own business and doesn’t mind paying 100k a year for his employees healthcare, was it 25 employees? Oh, they’re one and the same – I forgot.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:52 pmGuy who thinks he’s smart: “I almost feel bad for the progressives. They were so happy nearly a year ago, now their dreams have been torn apart by reality.”
This is an extra-specially ironic bit of projection here seeing as how the modern conservative movement just crashed and burned during the last few years and proved, once again, that their political and economic philosophies simply do not work. All modern conservative accomplished was bankrupting the nation, ratcheting up the poverty and incompetently blowing both dealing with natural catastrophes and military conflict.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:52 pmRich H
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:53 pmfvny = aaronk
NinerFan says:
Thanks for posting those numbers. I am sure aaronk will be the first to apologize for getting it all wrong and will cheerfully munch on his crow.
Or, well, not, because actual facts shed off aaronk like water of a duck’s back.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:53 pmThanks guys, but I know the score. Trolls always absentmindedly fail to notice the facts when presented and continue blissfully and fact-free with their arguments. That’s just one of their problems.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:55 pmHuh, looks like trollspotter is on the job and storm might be aaronk too..
Not sure but sure is interesting isn’t it trollspotter?
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:57 pmFred,
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:58 pmHow many troll accounts does this guy have?
My approval rating of obama’s presidency: 12% ( would be 6% but he sent more troops to afganistan )
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:59 pmExpert,
Don’t you think gays should be able to serve in the military? Then the President could have sent them to Afghanistan.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:00 pmEA – who asked ya?
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:00 pmDreamsofProgress says:
So, all this goes to show is that President Obama is willing to outright lie and distort reality to accomplish his real agenda.
Well no, it shows that he hasn’t been pushing his stated agenda enough, or at least not enough for our liking. Or are you another one of those psychic wingnuts who secretly knows of some other agenda that Obama’s secretly planning but which he’s never mentioned?
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Expert Advice says:
THE LIBS HAVE BEEN DUPED!
Aren’t you the ones always complaining that Bush wasn’t a “true conservative?” We’re just voicing a similar complaint the other way around. It seems that the further left and the further right are all in the same boat on this one, as we both keep ending up feeling let down by centrist politicians.
I’m willing to grant you a measure of schadenfreude on this count, but that comes with the caveat that your horse is not high.
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FVNY says:
The clock is ticking. The time is drawing near. The progressives are doomed.
Bill? Billy Kristol? Is that you?
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:00 pmHe’s admitted to two…aaonk and fvny.
We had one who bragged that he had registered hundreds in anticipation of being banned.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:00 pmYes indeedy. I don’t want to jump to conclusions, but it’s certainly noteworthy.
It’s also interesting that STORMfront seems to have similar grammar trouble with its and it’s…
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:01 pm
tombaker says:
EA – who asked ya?
“Here guys, look at the great turd I just made! What? Why don’t you want to talk about it?”
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:01 pmThat’s better than I gave bush by 11.99%
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:02 pmI’ve only read one poster saying he was banned from TP – and I don’t know why. As I recall he was usually, if not always a progressive. But he swore he was banned.
Don’t see it though when the continue to let Tracist and the super homophobe Expert post.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:03 pmFred says:
Wow. Couldn’t TP just block his IP address instead of just a temporary ban?
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:03 pmExpert Advice says:
My approval rating of obama’s presidency: 12%
*forehead slap*
That’s not how approval ratings work, you mouth-breathing knuckle-dragging – oh fcuk, I’m completely out of insults that could even remotely have a chance of approximating how brain-dead you are. I got nothing.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:04 pmI was trying to think of a negative number to access the Bush presidency, but then my brain just hurt.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:05 pmIt’s certainly possible that TP is plagued by a relatively small number of trolls who use multiple handles.
For instance, I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that conservative guy and Peace Through Superior Firepower are the same troll. Similar MOs in short, lazy smears. Probably one of our more verbose trolls when he’s feeling lazy.
Personally, though, I’m not too concerned about it. It’s entertaining to watch them flail about and fail miserably no matter what handle they’re using.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:06 pmIts so precious the trolls are doing their touchdown dance when a health care bill is about to be passed in spite of all their Repub and Bagger buddies did.
And that the economy is slowly recovering, thanks to the efforts of the Dems that their Repub and Bagger buddies all fought.
Just what is it they are celebrating? Being Turds in a flushing toilet? And they are pulling the lever?
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:06 pmOh, I have seen several banned. Then the post count will drop from as high as 3 or 4 hundred down to 1 or 2 hundred as their posts are all wiped out at the same time.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:08 pmFred,
Isn’t that temporary though – only having to do with a single thread?
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:09 pmI am registering as an independent again for the first time since Regan drove me squarely into the Democratic party.The Obama administration has proven to be more impotent in Washington than the Carter administration. Carter didn’t appreciate how things really work in Washington. Obama doesn’t even try. I smell a drubbing in at least the next two election cycles. He’ll loose most moderates and some Democrats. He’ll have done in one term to the Dems what took George W. Bush two terms to do to the GOP’s! One step forward, ten back! Thanks Barach!
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:09 pmThanks for your concern.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:11 pmDepends. Captain Mantastic was totally banned, so was Bartlebee. It depends on TP’s notion of how unacceptable their posts are I guess.
We have tried to get them involved but they seem to like the free for all and high post counts.
Many have been banned permanently but they usually come back with new monikers. Why they don’t ban by IP I don’t know. It’s been discussed…
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:12 pmSo you want us to believe that you voted for Obama, really?
Get some practice and come back.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:13 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Pelotonpro,
I’m no fan of the bealthcare bill as it is written. If it’s as positive as some say, great. If it’s not as bad as I fear, almost great.
The apocolypse isn’t upon us thanks to the failure of McCain and Palin.
I’m pretty well assured the democratic agenda will not die tomorrow – and we’ll be able to keep fighting for it for some time.
Prediction: Obama wins a second term.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:14 pm154 – who, God? y, i know – what’s up with that mythical mofo anyway??
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:16 pmTrollspotter says:
It’s certainly possible that TP is plagued by a relatively small number of trolls who use multiple handles.
I’d say it’s a known fact. We do have occasional drop-by trolls but they have no staying power. Otherwise, we have just a few real trolls, desperate for attention and devoid of content.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:16 pmThe data on trolling suggests it’s a combination of low self-esteem, a desperate need for attention, and a lack of control over one’s situation.
For example, according to this study, a good percentage of malicious trolls have problems with bedwetting and erectile dysfunction. It’s entirely possible that TP’s trolls can’t control their bladders or their erections, but take solace in ranting and raving against the “libs” they blame for all their problems.
It’s a fine irony that they come here in such hope of “pissing off those durn libs” but all they do is make us laugh at them or pity them for exposing the depth of their deepseated emotional problems.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:17 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
That makes good sense to me, gummitch. Every now and again Free Republic or Redstate (or maybe even Stormfront) must link to a TP article and that sends in the drop-bys, but aside from that it’s just a few sad sacks trolling here day in and day out to show us just how broken they are.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:20 pmExpert Advice says:
My approval rating of obama’s presidency: 12% ( would be 6% but he sent more troops to afganistan )
My approval of your posts is 0%. Would be in the negatives except that is impossible…
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:22 pmworship and adore God says:
tombaker says:
154 – who, God? y, i know – what’s up with that mythical mofo anyway??
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No, your President. Boy, he is being ripped by everyone, whether it be on the left or the right. The question is will he finish his term. I already know, based on his lack spineless actions,that he is a one termer.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! You are supposed to preach about TEH EVILS of TEH HOMO-SEX-YOU-ALL AGENDA…You are getting off topic. Millions are counting on you to be SAVED AND HEALED. QUICK get off your lazy ass and GET TO WORK!
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:23 pmCome on guy’s. I’m not a righty troll! I legitimately feel betrayed. I couldn’t train MY DOG to roll over that easy!
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:24 pmSTORM says:
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December 22nd, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Best troll comment — EVER!!!
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:24 pmYou said huck was going to win too. You have never been right about anything.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:24 pmI’m wondering, which God is it that you worship and adore?
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:25 pmworship and adore God says:
The great contradictor.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:14 pm
I see you’ve gained a little self-awareness, if not grammar skills.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:25 pmRich H says:
Bob Ross. There are no others.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:27 pmPelotonpro 048, You didn’t fool anyone the first time. Keep trying though, us losing seems to be all you have to cling to.
It’s good for entertainment at least.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:27 pmFred ♪♫♪ says:
worship and adore God says:
I already know, that he is a one termer.
You said huck was going to win too. You have never been right about anything.
i’M telling ya, it’s the fault of TEH HOMO OVERLORDS…THEY probably rigged the primaries with the help of some of TEH mind-numbing HOMO VIRUS…
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:27 pmThe great contradictor.
Darn and we were hoping for something like the great communicator or the great deciderer.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:29 pmbizarrobrain says:
Bob Ross. There are no others.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Happy trees! Happy clouds!
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:29 pmI don’t see betrayal but realism. I’m not a bit worried in the long run how this will turn out.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:30 pmI couldn’t train MY DOG to roll over that easy!
Does that mean your dog is smarter than you?
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:30 pmZooey,
The audio on this is pretty terrible (at least for the speaking parts) but hey it’s a tribute to Bob Ross
jjm,
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:36 pmI’m skeptical…but I don’t feel betrayed. I just wish this administration would do more, instead of constantly being dragged down by the opposition’s petty whining.
Present!
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:43 pmConservaTROLL
You are ignorant, you are a liar and you are a punk. Do the world a favor and just go kill yourself. You contribute nothing to the world except nausea and a bad smell
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:00 pmSlappyBeggerino
It doesnt matter how much you beg there is no more pity here for you
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:00 pmFVNY you are STUPID. You are a PROVEN LIAR and an ignorant punkass troll. The disease of conservatism has run its course. We all understand you are too stupid to understand See Spot Run books but the thing is no matter how often you repeat stupidity it remains stupid. Just like YOU
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:02 pmExpertinSTUPIDTY
CONS ARE MORONS
CONS ARE MORONS
CONS ARE MORONS
MY GOD you are stupid
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:04 pmHoodathunk says:
The great contradictor.
Darn and we were hoping for something like the great communicator or the great deciderer.
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I was thinking about what we can give your President for Christmas. I think I take a portion of my courage, gift-wrap it, then present it to him. Then (and only then)he will be able to chastise lobbyists.
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:05 pmWorship
Your COURAGE???? HA dont make me laugh so much. I do love to laugh at delusional morons like you. As long as Obama doesnt contract any of your abject stupidity he will be just fine
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:08 pmDaryll,
You can’t give what you don’t have.
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:08 pmTrollspotter says:
For instance, I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that conservative guy and Peace Through Superior Firepower are the same troll. Similar MOs in short, lazy smears. Probably one of our more verbose trolls when he’s feeling lazy.
Or they could both have a similar difficulty with language that prevents them from submitting anything with more eloquence than you’d expect from someone with a third-grade facility in English composition. This would be consistent with the simplicity and stupidity of their opinions generally.
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Pelotonpro 048 says:
I am registering as an independent again for the first time since Regan drove me squarely into the Democratic party.The Obama administration has proven to be more impotent in Washington than the Carter administration.
Hey there, Operation Chaos Agent. Did Rush send you over here to pretend to be a disaffected liberal?
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Pelotonpro 048 says:
Come on guy’s. I’m not a righty troll! I legitimately feel betrayed. I couldn’t train MY DOG to roll over that easy!
The public grew impatient after giving Carter only four years to try to fix the Nixon/Ford mess that the country was in, and that was a damn shame. You’re giving Obama less than one year to fix the Bush mess? It sounds unlikely that you are actually concerned with getting a progressive agenda passed, or in sticking through the hard work that it’s going to take to do so.
And predicting mass victories for multiple cycles by the teabaggers? That sounds suspiciously like Rovian “create your own reality” tactics favored by all wingnut trolls.
Also, you misspelled Barack as “Barach.” I find it a consistent theme in wingnut trollery that they have a hard time bringing themselves to spell Obama’s name correctly.
If you actually were a committed progressive, having gone through the Barack/Hillary primary battle, as well as the Nader situations of 2000 and 2004, you’d at least have a passing familiarity with the risks involved in just chucking in the towel, giving up and wandering off to look for a third option. That’s how the right wing gains power. These days, it’s the only way they can.
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:10 pmpoor ol’ darryl,
still thinks angels make his dishwasher work…
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:11 pmZooey says:
Daryll,
You can’t give what you don’t have.
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Hey, regardless of the benefits, I stand up for what is right. How about your President? How does his campaign pockets feel?
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:12 pmworship and adore God says:
I was thinking about what we can give your President for Christmas. I think I take a portion of my courage, gift-wrap it, then present it to him. Then (and only then)he will be able to chastise lobbyists.
Hey, that beats the hell out of the options on that WND poll. I like it.
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:12 pmNow now folks, if waaG wants to wish that Obama was better at passing a strong progressive agenda, I’m not going to turn down my nose at that. Merry Christmas to you too, waaG.
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:17 pmDebbi……is you superior immune system still operating at full capacity? You seem a little less than your normal self with those jaundice posts and constipated punkshoeashun.
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:17 pmWorship
YOU are a liar. You stand up for what Rush tells you to stand up for. Your stupidity is an offense against our entire species
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:18 pmworship and adore God says:
Hey, regardless of the benefits, I stand up for what is right.
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:12 pm
You stand up for what suits your agenda at the moment — usually at the expense of those not as well off as you.
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:19 pmWhile I too intend to keep fighting, I’m very upset that the President just out and out lied. What the hell is going on? I don’t envy Robert Gibbs when he has to answer questions about this statement tomorrow. The President will have to walk that one back because it’s an out and out lie! I expect that Rachel Maddow will hammer him on this tonight. I can’t wait.
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:21 pmSlappyBeggerino
Its no good. There is no more pity for you here. No matter how much you beg, no pity, your post will go straight to the sewer where it will belongs with all the other piles of shit. It amazes me how even someone as patently stupid as you can think you are clever when it is so obvious how stupid and pathetic you are. No pity. Beg away it doesnt matter, no pity. I hope Santa brings you at least an understanding of the concept of dignity and self respect.
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:23 pmworship and adore God says:
I was thinking about what we can give your President for Christmas. I think I take a portion of my courage, gift-wrap it, then present it to him. Then (and only then)he will be able to chastise lobbyists.
HURRY UP and GIFT-WRAP a cure FOR TEH HOMO VIRUS…NOW!!!!!!!! Fool, while you dither around, millions are going to get infected!
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:26 pmLook, I’ve never really been an “Obama guy” because of the same things that you guys are complaining about right now. This isn’t the 1st campaign promise that he has blatantly and deliberately ignored. Specifically his committment to eliminate special interests and lobbyists was a total joke…..I think they are going to install a special entry door to the whitehouse just for those folks during this administration.
I hope that he will stick to his promise of withdrawing middle east troops but to be honest, I’m not holding my breath on that one either!
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:40 pmThe dates ARE ALL AFTER the election, when Obama had stopped campaigning. Hello….
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:44 pmIs this thing on?
In a key question, the survey also asked if an increased government role in the health care system would “lead to more corruption? Less corruption? Or will it make no difference?”
A vast majority of 62% said it would be the cause of “more corruption”, only 14% said “less corruption”, with 21% believing it would “make no difference.”
Those numbers echo a host of other recent surveys that have revealed up to two thirds of Americans are set against the government healthcare overhaul, set to be written into law at the eleventh hour on Christmas Eve.
That hasn’t prevented notable Democrats denouncing the bill’s opponents as extremists and fringe lunatics, as Senator Sheldon Whitehouse put it in a floor speech yesterday
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:46 pmSTORM says
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:44 pm
I was mimicking the progressive though process. dumba$$!!
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If you’re going to call somebody a “dumba$$”, try not to do it while saying things like “though process”. It just makes you look like an even bigger dumba$$. Just saying…
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:51 pmrealdeal says:
Specifically his committment to eliminate special interests and lobbyists was a total joke…..I think they are going to install a special entry door to the whitehouse just for those folks during this administration.
You think that, huh? I’m sensing another Operation Chaos troll. The standing order regarding lobbyists serving in administration positions still stands. The President does not have the ability to banish lobbyist influence from Congress.
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TrueLiberty says:
Those numbers echo a host of other recent surveys that have revealed up to two thirds of Americans are set against the government healthcare overhaul, set to be written into law at the eleventh hour on Christmas Eve.
I’ll just give you the full Google search in response, since there are too many links countering your cherry-picked and leading poll question to choose from there.
The fact that certain wingnut memes (like “government = corruption”) are still prevalent in much of the public mindset doesn’t make them true. And the public is beginning to wake up from their wingnut stupor and become actually educated on the facts.
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:01 pmTrueLiberty says:
In a key question, the survey also asked if an increased government role in the health care system would “lead to more corruption? Less corruption? Or will it make no difference?”
A vast majority of 62% said it would be the cause of “more corruption”, only 14% said “less corruption”, with 21% believing it would “make no difference.”
Way to stand against corruption! I take it you’re against the health insurance industry’s corrupt practices as well? P.S. Where’s your link?
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:04 pmThat’s a perfectly viable alternate theory.
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:17 pmSTORM says:
The progressive agenda is not the problem. its the republicans who lie and brainwash the very gullible American people.
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I was mimicking the progressive though process. dumba$$!!
I love this. The one time he says something that actually makes sense, it turns out it was “mimicking the progressive thought process.” STORM, I recommend you try “mimicking” actual cognitive understanding more often. You might eventually pull off passing for a sentient human being.
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:27 pmSam Stein has a well-researched take on the OP issue.
December 22nd, 2009 at 11:32 pmPresident Obama has said on more than one occasion that the public option wasn’t critical to health care reform. That position is counter intuitive to me, at least in terms of lowering health insurance premiums. He has a lot of credibility. He would do well to explain to us political dummies what realities are driving the process, and exactly why a public option isn’t critical.
December 23rd, 2009 at 3:29 amObama has betrayed middle class America. He has surrounded himself with the Wall Street honchos who were to blame for the financial disaster to hit this country. As President he could have stood firm for a public option, he could have stood firm on a Medicare buy-in but he remained MUM on the subject. He is taking us into an extended war in Afghanistan and so far all his policies are for the benefit of the banks, insurance industry, Wall Street and war profiteers.
Golden Boy Emmanuel is the guiding force behind Obama’s political decisions and the reason Howard Dean-one of the best people to speak on our behalf on health care- has been snubbed by this admin.
You have lost all credibility with me Mr. President. Instead of coming out with charismatic speeches to woo us why don’t you show some backbone and lead this country in the right direction.
I have unsubscribed from your emails as what you say no longer represents what you campaigned on. What a disappointment you have been to the many people who really fought to get you elected and to the many Americans who really wanted to believe that you would fight for us
December 23rd, 2009 at 12:17 pmIt’s so pleasant that I’m not a troll anymore. Or AM I?
Have we seen the light then?
December 23rd, 2009 at 5:12 pmThank you for your sharing.!
December 27th, 2009 at 1:04 am