Right Wing Renews Calls For Profiling: ‘There Should Be A Separate Line To Scrutinize Anybody With The Name Abdul’
Right Wing Renews Calls For Profiling: ‘There Should Be A Separate Line To Scrutinize Anybody With The Name Abdul’
The right wing’s predictable policy prescription in the aftermath of any terror incident is to impose greater ethnic profiling of Muslims. For instance, following the Ft. Hood shooting, Sarah Palin said, “profile away.” After six imams were removed from a plane in Minnesota in 2006, Ann Coulter justified profiling Muslims by arguing that it’s just like “profiling the Klan.” That same year, after British authorities revealed a terrorist plot to blow up planes headed to the U.S., right-wing radio host Mike Gallagher said, “It’s time to have a Muslims check-point line” at airports.
They’re at it again. In the wake of the failed terrorist attempt aboard a Northwest airlines flight on Christmas Day, the right wing is renewing its pleas for more profiling of Muslims:
Radio host Mike Gallagher: “There should be a separate line to scrutinize anybody with the name Abdul or Ahmed or Mohammed.” (Note: Those are some of the most common names in the world.)
Rep. Peter King (R-NY): “100 percent of the Islamic terrorists are Muslim, and that is our main enemy today. So why we should not be profiling people because of their religion?”
Terrorism pundit Steven Emerson: “Remember, there have been so many complaints about quote, profiling, by the quote, Islamic civil rights groups, that they stopped basically profiling. And that basically led to not putting this guy onto the terrorist watch list.“
Unsurprisingly, Fox News has served as the platform for right-wing voices calling for more profiling. Watch a compilation:
Broad-based ethnic profiling is counterproductive for a host of reasons. It creates a false sense of security and causes law enforcement resources to be wasted in chasing the wrong targets. Terrorists come in all shapes, sizes, and colors. John Walker Lindh was white, while Richard Reid was Jamaican and British. As the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights has reported:
Terrorism profiling is a crude substitute for behavior-based enforcement. It violates core American values, including the constitutional guarantee of equal protection. It also hinders anti-terrorism efforts because it alienates people and communities that are critical to the success of the anti-terrorism effort.
Non-specific profiling of certain religions or races amounts to a witch-hunt against a class of people, creating the perception among the larger society that those individuals containing certain suspect features (skin color, foreign-sounding names, foreign-language skills, etc) are to be feared.
Yesterday, two Middle Eastern men were pulled off a flight heading to Phoenix because passengers reported they were engaging in suspicious behavior. The men were speaking in a Middle Eastern language. And on a Detroit-bound flight yesterday, a Nigerian businessman was taken off an airplane because passengers became suspicious that he was lingering in the bathroom for too long. The FBI confirmed that the individual’s behavior was due to a legitimate illness.
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I already profile types that I think might be white-wingers or teabaggers or the like.
I don’t allow them in my home, and I run them off my property when they attempt to proselytize.
What’s not to stop a white guy with blue eyes named John Jones from shooting a group of people or bombing a plane?
Look at the sheer number of murderers of little girls, virtually all of whom are white guys in their 20’s, 30’s and 40’s. I just read about a little 5 year old who was rescued by the police from one of those 40ish white guys, but not before she had been sexually molested.
Keep treating the “Abduls” like scum, and they just might totally turn against this society.
How would that be any sort of benefit?
December 28th, 2009 at 8:17 amNevermind the fact that Muslims make up roughly 1/6th of the world’s population.
Nevermind that it’s grossly unconstitutional.
Nevermind that non-Muslims are capable of committing far greater acts of terrorism than trying to light oneself on fire on a plane.
Peter King should be thrown out of office. Both for suggesting profiling..and for the sheer idiocy of the statement that “100 percent of the Islamic terrorists are Muslim”
And that man is a United States Congressman…
December 28th, 2009 at 8:23 amPeter King? Dick Armey?
What is it about these white-wingers and their names sounding like male genitalia?
December 28th, 2009 at 8:27 amEvangenital? Genitalia? LOL…… I agree with your posts, these repugs are clueless, bedwetting cry babies.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:32 am100% of Islamist terrorists are “Muslim” (so called, because killing the innocent is condemned in Islam as it is in Christianity), and 100% of Christianist terrorists are “Christians”. So shall we profile all the people in public gathering places (churches, political gatherings, etc) whose first name is Dick or Peter?
December 28th, 2009 at 8:48 am“So why we should not be profiling people because of their religion?”
…
I wonder if Rep. King gave any thought as to what other group targeted people based on their Religion…
What will he propose next? “Internment” camps???
December 28th, 2009 at 8:51 amRep King, aren’t most murders in this country committed by white men? Would you like to be treated as a murder suspect everywhere you go in this country just because of the color of your skin?
December 28th, 2009 at 8:55 amlobbyist are more dangerous than “terrorists”.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:59 amI’ll agree to this, only if the right wingers will agree to us gathering a list of the political affiliation of every individual in this country and allowing anyone who is a member of the republican party, libertarian party or any other party right of center to immediately have their taxes audited. Because, you know, it is those on the right who typically being anti-government and thus anti-tax will attempt to dodge paying taxes.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:03 amI can no longer discern whether this is material from a chapter in Animal Farm or 1984.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:08 amNo more think fast thread? :(
December 28th, 2009 at 9:08 am100 percent of the Islamic terrorists are Muslim,
ZOMG! 100 PERCENT OF the CAUCASIAN TERRORISTS ARE WHITE!!!
Wait, what about that suburban white kid who joined Al Qaeda? You know, the one that the Republicans were whining about for years?
and that is our main enemy today.
Remember when that Muslim shot an abortion doctor because he thought Allah told him to? Wait, he was a white Christian? That can’t be right. Well, at least Abdul al-Hussein McVeigh was an Islamofacist, right?
December 28th, 2009 at 9:09 amIf that’s the case, anyone who votes for a republican should be sent to Gitmo.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:11 amIt comes down to this:
Our government failed us. Abdulmutallab was on a watch list…along with 550,000 other people. He wasn’t placed on the No Fly list because there was no concrete evidence linking him to any person or organization dedicated to attacking the United States. His name was on the watch list because his father was worried about his rhetoric and worldview.
Our government failed us. It wasn’t the first time. And it won’t be the last.
No government is perfect and no govenment (particularly of a country with such a large population) can protect its citizens 100% of the time. In hindsight, we probably should’ve sent him through for additional screening. Not because his name suggests he is a follower of Islam, but because his name was on a watch list.
There’s always room for effective, if not absolute, security while maintaining the civil liberties that once made this country so great.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:12 amI think we need to keep an eye on the fringe right wing in this country. If that requires profiling, fine. The average fascist Republican theocrat is far more dangerous than the average Muslim.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:12 amWayne is another tricky name.
This is funny, but it is not a joke. There are a phenomenal number of murderers possessing the middle name Wayne.
Normally, profiling is evil, but this is a pressing public-health problem. Any white male with the middle name Wayne should immediately have his guns taken away.
Video: Inside Obama’s Brain
December 28th, 2009 at 9:14 amThe hapless guy who succeeded only in lighting his crotch on fire on that Christmas flight to Detroit was on a watch list of 500,000 names. He slipped through the cracks because of the inherent difficulty of separating the significant few from the trivial many.
Now, brain-dead rant-radio jockeys are suggesting screening all Abduls, Ameds and Mohammeds. There’s a few more than 500,000 of them in the world. Brilliant! [snark off]
December 28th, 2009 at 9:14 amanybody with an R after thier name should be investigated.
on 9/10/01 Rumfeld announced that 2.3 trillion dollars was missing from pentagon accounts.
2.3 trillion dollars just vanished.
just ponder that for awhile.
what would happen if that happened in the mob?
people (plural) would be paying, i.e., dying.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:15 am100% of White supremacists are white conservatives.
100% of abortion bombers are white conservatives.
100% of angry, uneducated, racist teabaggers are white conservatives.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:15 amThanks, Perry. I’ll keep that in mind. ;)
Actually, there was a NYT article several years ago about how caustic the name “Wayne” is. Not only are there a lot of serial killers with the name Wayne, but many TV characters named Wayne are not nice people. It’s okay. I’m used to it. And, uh, no offense taken. :)
December 28th, 2009 at 9:18 amThis incident underlines how fortunate we are to have Obama in the White House, rather than McCain. Or Palin. Or any other 2008 GOP challenger (with the exception of Ron Paul).
Any republican would use this as a pre-text to beging bombing the shit out of Yemen or possibility diverting troops from Afghanistan (yet again) to fight in a desert wasteland. At least Iraq had infrastructure (before we vaporized it)…Yemen had nothing.
Not to mention, you risk rallying one electic mix of insurgents: al-Qaeda, ex-communists, and Iranian-backed Shias. Three groups who ordinarily claim a religious/moral imperative to destroy each other would ally to wipe us out.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:19 amMaybe the fringe right wackos are changing their names to some appropriate porn name.
/snark
December 28th, 2009 at 9:20 amWhat will he propose next? “Internment” camps???
Try “Re-education Centers.”
Or, “The Ministry of Love.”
December 28th, 2009 at 9:21 amProfile this:
December 28th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Profiling everyone who “looks suspicious” who has a “funny-sounding name” and who comes from another country will cause all security personnel to spend their time on foolish errands while the real terrorist takes advantage of their preoccupation.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:22 amThe worst perpetrators of crime have been white and christian. International terrorists are represented in every country, hence “international.” The remarks of repugs who want to make this a partisan issue are simply stupid.
… and another line for rich banker’s sons (h/t hal sparks)…
December 28th, 2009 at 9:33 amThere was a game we used to play as kids where you would take the name of your first pet as your first name, and I forget what would be your second name, and that would determine your “porn name”.
Does anyone else remember this from gradeschool?
December 28th, 2009 at 9:35 amIf we’re going to profile, let’s start with scary looking right wingers:
December 28th, 2009 at 9:36 am-mary matalin
-peter king
-newt the nitwit
-john micca
-the ingrahmn headcase
And throw in our emotionally unstable trolls.
tony and lido
Republicans are very reliable folks, you can count on them to politicize any situation trying to gain some kind of advantage even at the expense of the greater good.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:39 amRight Wingers truly believe that White Anglo-Saxon Protestants were born superior to all others.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:40 amSounds to me like our privacy spammer is not even trying.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:44 amGuess the right didn’t see Malcom X…or read any of his writings….
Seems when he went to the Haji he was stunned to see so many “White”….Light skinned muslims….He re-shaped his entire belief that all white people were evil…that indeed they were not ALL evil…
knee jerking, cowardly republicans, future John Birchers, KKK types immedaitely call for segregation……
I thought this would be terrorist was en-route from Europe…not a domestic american flight….shouldn’t foreign airports with flights to america have stricter rules for taping powder to one’s body if their headed for the U.S.
Why do our republican politicians want the appearence that existed in mid 20th Century Germany to feel safer ..(?) Jews in one line…Real Germans in another..
December 28th, 2009 at 9:47 amRight Wing Renews Calls For Profiling: ‘There Should Be A Separate Line To Scrutinize Anybody With The Name Abdul’
– - Uh huh, how about all those Baracks and Husseins too? The GOP speaks in none-so-subtle code.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:47 amNow as for profiling, I’m all for it, as soon as we can profile all Caucasian whack jobs with the name Bob Smith!
December 28th, 2009 at 9:47 amDRxJ,
Does he/she/it ever?
December 28th, 2009 at 9:47 amVery fitting that you should mention Malcolm X. His attorney, Percy Sutton, died Saturday at the age of 89…
And, DRxJ, regarding Bob Smith…
Seriously. The former Senator was a total whackjob, but profiling him just because he joined a rabidly conservative, theocratic, white-nationalist party might be a bit much….
December 28th, 2009 at 9:50 amlevi – i think the 2nd name was your street name…
December 28th, 2009 at 9:53 amHow does this go ?
December 28th, 2009 at 9:57 amFirst they came for the jews but I wasn’t jewish ?
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/one_day_well_all_be_terrorists_20091228/
The cons see the world as black or white and they truly believe that there are simple, absolute solutions for any problem.
It would never occur to them that someone would simply change their name (and provide falsified ID to back it up) or use a scapegoat as a diversion.
Simple minds, simple world.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:57 amlevi – i think the 2nd name was your street name…
– - Right, and that made me Kitty Kedvale. Stripper or hooker, you decide.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:57 amNot only should we profile, but we need to send our military out to seize control over every international airport!
/rush
December 28th, 2009 at 9:59 amGee. So I guess Paula Abdul would be screwed every time she flew?
December 28th, 2009 at 9:59 amTake away religion and all the hate surely goes away too…
The only fighting remaining would be in sports, road-rage, domestic quarrels, schoolyards, racial ignorance and numbnuts jumping the line.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:00 amIt would never occur to them that someone would simply change their name (and provide falsified ID to back it up) or use a scapegoat as a diversion.
You mean like a bunch of white guys dressin’ up like Injuns so they could break into a ship at harbor and dump its cargo of imported tea into the bay?
December 28th, 2009 at 10:01 amWiz says:
Republicans are very reliable folks, you can count on them to politicize any situation trying to gain some kind of advantage even at the expense of the greater good.
hal sparks made an observation – that after their christmas eve defeat (health care bill), they’re desperate for anything to take the place of that story…
i hadn’t thought of that… no wonder they’re hyperventilating…
December 28th, 2009 at 10:02 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
– – Right, and that made me Kitty Kedvale. Stripper or hooker, you decide.
I didn’t have a street name. I would have just been “Butch.”
December 28th, 2009 at 10:04 amI’m glad Republicans are for religious profiling. Now I don’t have to feel guilty about not hiring Christian evangelicals on basis of religion alone.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:05 amThe headline said “Scrutinize” not “Screwtinize”.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:07 amThere is no question that conservatives and the GOP are ecstatic over the Christmas terror scare. It gives them an opening to shamefully attack a sitting president, thus “emboldening our enemies,” and also allows them to further their profiling agenda.
http://www.political-buzz.com/
December 28th, 2009 at 10:10 amYes, John Walker Lindh IS white, but what he is NOT is a terrorist. He was portrayed that way in the media. However, he committed no acts of terrorism. The circumstances under which he was “detained” were so chaotic — it was in the earliest days of the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan — that it is uncertain whether he even had a weapon, or if he had a weapon that he did anything with it. He was badly injured, denied medical care and almost certainly tortured by his American captors. He was classified as an “enemy combatant.” Remember that one didn’t have to do a whole lot to be classified as an enemy combatant and locked up. That’s what happened under the PATRIOT Act and is still in place today. John Walker Lindh deserves justice. He deserves a new trial in something other than a kangaroo court. He does not deserve to be called a terrorist on a progressive news site. You want a white terrorist? You could cite Timothy McVey or Scott Roeder.
Here is a speech that was delivered in 2006 by Lindh’s father. Read it and decide for yourself if justice was served in his case. http://www.alternet.org/story/31211/
December 28th, 2009 at 10:10 amAfter the Oklahoma City bombing, were people named McVeigh and Nichols prevented from entering federal buildings? Or named Timothy and Terry? Or people with a Mc in their last names? If not, would that have helped? Of course not. Most people named Abdul or any other Arabic or Muslim names are law abiding. Though it can put safeguards in place, no government can completely stop insane people from doing violent, reprehensible acts. It is, unfortunately, the price we pay for a free society. As Ben Franklin so aptly said, “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
December 28th, 2009 at 10:10 amha! that could be a fun game for us:
“niki willow”
.
by the way –
i understand the guy should have put on the REAL watch list – our failing – but he was put on any list because his father wanted to find him, because of his increased radicalization…
he paid CASH for his ticket, had only a carry-on, and other warning signs – but i’d say the failure was especially in amsterdam…
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hey! amanda terkel on stephanie miller show with hal sparks!
go amanda!
December 28th, 2009 at 10:11 amThey are profiling you at home ,on the computer ,and during your phone conversations to the relatives ! The line between the government and private industry is so blurred as to have no distinction whatsoever in everything from domestic spying to the national defence .
December 28th, 2009 at 10:19 amDomestic spying is rampant !
http://current.com/items/91629340_sprint-fed-customer-gps-data-to-cops-over-8-million-times.htm
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/12/yahoo-spy-prices/#Replay
katy says:
hal sparks made an observation – that after their christmas eve defeat (health care bill), they’re desperate for anything to take the place of that story…
i hadn’t thought of that… no wonder they’re hyperventilating…
Indeed. And add to that the fact that Republicans have tended to poll better on this subject than Democrats and it’s no surprise they’re going to run with it.
Throw in some revisionist history (such as the 9/11 attacks didn’t actually occur under Bush, but he “inherited” them), and you have the perfect Republican/Fox News story. Short on facts, and aimed soley at damaging the president (which is a GOP goal).
I recall after 9/11 the country was united. That’s because Democrats put country before party. Now, even with a foiled incident, the Republicans are showing their true colors. Party above all else.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:20 am“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” -George Orwell
December 28th, 2009 at 10:28 amhttp://current.com/items/91234369_cia-wants-to-read-your-blog.htm
To the extent that the Detroit incident may reflect flaws in the over-bureaucratized Homeland Security Department, shouldn’t Joe Lieberman be devoting less time to vamping and grandstanding and more on oversight?
December 28th, 2009 at 10:28 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Americans can be held without charges !Syed Fahad Hashmi can tell you all about it .
December 28th, 2009 at 10:33 amWhat DRIZZLE fails to comprehend is that terrorism is terrorism, regardless of your goals, motivations, or religion. If you kill civilians to instill fear as a basis for furthering political goals or supposed religious imperatives, you are a terrorist. The stated goals of al-Qaeda and the lone-wolf types like McVeigh are identical in practice: to overthrow the United States government.
Either way, hunt them down and bring them to a just trial like the pathetic criminals they are.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:35 amImagine you’re sitting on a plane getting ready to take-off,
December 28th, 2009 at 10:38 amon one side of you is a guy,named, oh lets say MrAli, who’s just sitting there reading his paper.
On the other side of you is the psychotic looking Matalin , drolling at the mouth, with her permanent sneer.
Which one would concern you the most?
tony and lido
However, Wayne, perhaps you’re familiar with an old Far Side cartoon in which two medieval soldiers are in a parapet, one sitting on the wall, and the other says, “Mom said no sitting too close to the edge, Wayne”.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:39 amI have to disagree with you there. The hate is not endemic to religion itself. It’s a natural part of the human social impulse to hate the other. Religious hatred is just a different face on the same impulse that drives racism.
The arrogance of truth-holding that is part and parcel with the Abrahamic religions is a big factor, but there will always be hatred of other groups as long as man divides himself up into those groups.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:43 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
As far as religious profiling is concerned, these two separate stories of evangelical ministers committing murder should be of interest to all of you:
http://www.examiner.com/x-15540-New-Orleans-Top-News-Examiner%7Ey2009m12d26-Philadelphia-pastor-shoots-son-to-death-during-Christmas-dispute
http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/79994612.html
Both of these “men of God” killed another human being.
Should I be afraid if any holy roller preacher buys the house next to mine?
Can’t I insist on profiling, just to be safe from these marauding holy roller murderers?
December 28th, 2009 at 10:49 amYer missin’ the point entirely, Stormy, dear (which is not surprising):
Terrorists have no country.
And furthermore, Al Qaeda is NOT the only terrorist organization in the world.
Frankly, I’m far more worried about our local home-grown rightwing American Christian terrorists – the KKK, neo-Nazis, Stormfront, Aryan Nation, etc.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:52 amFoxNews…
Why am I not surprised?
December 28th, 2009 at 10:52 amPerhaps if the US stopped overthrowing other governments ,ceased using it’s military around the world on false premises and helped those in the 3rd world who live in extreme and abject poverty ( much of which was caused by US policy in the first place )we would reduce terrorism .
December 28th, 2009 at 10:52 amTHE US SPENDS AS MUCH AS THE ENTIRE PLANET ON IT’S “DEFENCE ANNUALLY !
ARE WE SAFE YET ?
Bedwetting sissies.
The existing security screening at airports should have caught this guy. Why didn’t they, that’s the real question to be answered, not ….Who should we be afraid of tomorrow?
December 28th, 2009 at 10:52 amWhile various politicians are using this event to showcase their bigotry and their Islamophobia, and while the rest of us argue about who should be profiled, I have but a single thought:
How did this guy get enough “explosive powder” onto an airplane to do some damage? If the guy planned to blow himself up with enough force to damage the airplane and the rest of the passengers, he would have had to have a LOT of explosive powder taped to his leg.
I thought we already screened for explosives at airport security. And this means everybody who flies, whether their name is Abdul or Andy Hardy. If not, then we should.
And another question — where did this guy get screened? Nigeria? Amsterdam? Perhaps security means our country should demand the right to insist that any plane landing in this country must have originated at an airport with screening that meets our standards.
This isn’t an issue of keeping people named Abdul off airplanes. It’s an issue of keeping explosives off airplanes. And in that endeavor, every passenger must be treated as if he/she could be carrying them.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:53 amFear, fear, fear, that’s the mantra from the right. Fear al-Qaeda, fear Muslims, there all out to get you. If this nut job who set himself on fire is the best al-Qaeda has, I’m really scared now.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:58 amDRIZZLE, you’re incoherent.
And you fail to look beyond the most shallow explanation (Abulmulltab and bin Laden are both Muslims. I.e., radical Islam is identical to terrorism.)
Timothy McVeigh detonated a truck bomb in Oklahoma City and killed 168. He was a terrorist. Eric Rudolph detonated a pipe bomb in Atlanta attempting to disrupt the Olympics while killing 2. He is a terrorist. Buford Furrow walked into a Jewish Community Center and opened fire, killing one. He is a terrorist. Just because all three men were Christian and believed in the supremacy of the white race does not make all White Christians terrorists. It doesn’t make all white supremacists terrorists.
Unless you plan on killing every last Muslim on the planet, you won’t stop the “threat” from “radical Islam”.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:58 amDr Hussein Matt from #13- I think you’re on to something there!
December 28th, 2009 at 10:59 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Who cares? The 168 people your right-wing Republican terrorist murdered are just as dead as if al Qaeda had killed them.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:59 amWhen I hear so many guys shamelessly call for racial profiling it just reminds me how pathetic we are as a society where this type of behavior isn’t outright ostracized.
This is pretty disgusting and these despicable right wingers are frothing at the mouth to come out and preach this racial profiling crap every time there is an incident with individuals who happen to be Muslim.
There’s even an idiot at my workplace that espouses the ‘virtues’ of racial profiling and how racial profiling ‘works’.
People like this are a tumor on the body of American consciousness.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:59 amOn the anniversary of Israel’s attack on Gaza would it be foolish to ask whether our unflinching support and funding of Israeli crimes against Palestine be creating image problems for US amongst Muslims ?
December 28th, 2009 at 11:01 amRight wing extremists post the greatest terrorist threat to the US today. Greater than al quieda.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:01 amYes, and so was bush. They topped the list even under bush.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:03 am75 – damned right I am, Storm.
You rightwing nutjobs are right here in America – armed to the teeth, and fanatically committed to killing blacks, Jews, illegal immigrants, liberals and Democrats.
And I meet 2 of those 5 conditions. Damned right I’m scared.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:03 amstormmy, tell us how much of a threat al-Qaeda has been since 9/11 here on the home front? We have had more killings by home grown terrorists here since 9/11 then al-Qaeda, who seem to be kind of tied up in the middle east.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:04 am75 – and that, sir, makes YOU a terrorist.
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angels81 @72 gets what this is about. This is the mcarthy/johnb birchers doing what they do. It’s about instilling fear.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:05 am84 – proof? You want proof?
Check it out:
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp
December 28th, 2009 at 11:06 amAre you familiar with the study commisioned by George W. Bush which showed that the biggest terrorist threats in the US are right-wing domestic extremists, like yourself?
December 28th, 2009 at 11:08 amSo strommy, you think that the Fort Hood killings were planned by al-Qaeda? Or maybe it was one lone wolf guy who acted on his own? If it was the latter, then your fear of al-Qaeda is a little overblown. If it was the first, where is your proof?
December 28th, 2009 at 11:09 amHow about instead of profiling we just make everyone fly naked. And take the doors off the bathrooms. No more smuggling stuff on board airplanes.
It would also diminish crowding on airplanes and give a boost to the therapist business.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:10 amWhat has Ms. Abdul’s sex life got to do with terrorism?
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STORM says:
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How does the McVeigh terrorist organization compare to Al Qaeda? How many countries was the McVeigh organization tied too?
Who cares? The 168 people your right-wing Republican terrorist murdered are just as dead as if al Qaeda had killed them.
McVeigh’s act of terror was treated as a criminal act. It was investigated, he was apprehended, prosecuted, convicted and executed. This is the same procedure that the wingnuts have sneered at when applied to Muslim terrorists, although it was clearly effective with McVeigh and has been effective in the UK.
If McVeigh had not been caught, how many more operations would he have carried out, how many more wingnut terrorists would have joined his “organization”, and how many more would have died? Our winger trolls, like their counterparts out in the world, wet their pants over foreign, dark-skinned terrorists while ignoring the growing danger here at home from their extremist buddies.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:12 amso stormy doesn’t even know he’s on the terrorist watch list?
Homeland security is keeping up with trolls like you fella.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21243.html
Think of all the threats of violence you have made here. You know like that you were going to throw a fit on an airplane just because there was a forigner on board.
You just walk around arrogant and ignorant with a target on your back.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:13 amNo he doesn’t want to see the proof of domestic right-wing terrorism. He is a sympathizer.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:14 amProfiling is one thing. To gather info and know who people are that are dangerous because of thier actions.
Profiling based on race is nothing less than racism. That’s why the right is ok with it.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:16 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Also racial profiling diverts attention away from right-wing Republican insurgents.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:19 amLeftside Annie says:
Terrorists have no country.
And furthermore, Al Qaeda is NOT the only terrorist organization in the world.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:20 am……..
Frankly I’m even more concerned by the fact that after the collapse of the Soviet union ,as the largest part of our economy ,the military industrial complex needed a new enemy that can NEVER be defeated .
Hell they can’t even be found .
Actually, you and your war on Muslims is what inspired it.
You are as responsible for that event as anyone on the planet.
You are a dangerous person.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:20 amThat’s exactly what the Nazis did to the Jews.
Are you suggesting that Hitler was right?
December 28th, 2009 at 11:21 amPeople who fear the ebil terrorist threat from the Middle East have their agenda. The TSA can’t stop them. The world’s largest intelligence gathering and law enforcement agency can’t stop them. The world’s mightiest military can’t stop them, either abroad or at home. The cause is hopeless, this group of rag tag criminals/insurgents are invincible and we are all doomed.
Run and hide under your bed! Or become a gelatinous puddle waiting for the end while you cry. Be afraid of everything! That is the American Way!
December 28th, 2009 at 11:21 amstormmy, Its true that this killer talked with this cleric, but I have seen no evidence that he had anything to do with Fort Hood. If you have any facts on that, please post them, otherwise your opinion is meaningless.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:22 amWhile we are at it why don’t we require the Muslims in this country to wear a yellow turban, round them up into concentrated areas of cities across the nation that are then bricked up and cut off from the rest of us red-blooded 8lbs 9oz baby lovin’ Jesus?
By the way would profiling Muslims mean that a guy like myself, brown skinned full bearded Muslim sir-name (though I am not Muslim), have to go through the extra checkpoint?
Oh an the award for most obvious statement of the decade goes to Rep. King, of course 100 percent of Islamic terrorist are Muslim. Islam is the name of religion and Muslim is the term used to describe its followers. But I would never expect him to know that considering what party he belongs to.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:22 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
So stormmy, by voting me down are you saying you have no proof? What a surprise.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:25 am100% of the Jews are Jewish.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:25 amAbdullah is a version of Abdul, do we include one of our allies King Abdullah of Jordan?
December 28th, 2009 at 11:27 amTo fight the terrorists specifically that attacked us. Not in a war on Muslims.
I don’t know why I should expect you to understand anything beyond they are brown lets kill them but you could at least try.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:28 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
We have countered your lies. That is all we need from you. The fact that we are leaving Iraq seems to be just one more thing that you have blinded yourself to.
You need to educate yourself before coming here and making yourself look so foolish.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:32 amstormmy, you don’t pay attention to whats going on. He hasn’t pulled them out of Iraq yet, because there is a time table for pulling out the troops. Please try to keep up.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:33 amangels81, I think this thread shows how little stormy knows about anything beyond how full his chee-toe sack is.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:34 amGood Morning youngsters, some interesting posts…Seems to me there should be a little more detail in security with international flights coming into the US…Profiling any group is not the answer but a more thorough inspection of all traveling would help…
Then I had my usual thoughts to add….War and Peace….How can we as a nation scream at the top of our lungs about the odd mad bomber trying to bring our country down when we allow the very leaders of death and distruction to run free that have brought death and distruction to no less than 4 countries and millions of men, women and children…On going wars and more escillation about to follow..I find this baffeling….Insane even..How many must die for oil, power or relegion before we as a people again say, ENOUGH…..Will we ever make those responsible accountable.? Are we not all one with the world.? Are our children more precious than children is Iraq, Afg. Paci.or Lebanon and Palestine?…The human race is like a rainbow made of many colors how can we distroy one color of that rainbow and expect any kind of art or quality to show through..Where is the Peace and saving all the colors…How can we continue to pay Israel billions and ship them arms to kill their neighbor’s?….Our Gov. and Israels are the most distructive and war like in the world, when will it end.?
I find all of this very odd indeed…We allow and continue to support the freedom of bush, cheney and all that started this distruction around the world and the continuance of more and spend long hours on how we will fix a lone bombers mental state…
On the one hand in the past 20 years all the mental hospitals have been shut down and the poor mental cases have been sleeping in the streets…Many so called nut cases of late have resorted to violence in our state alone…Radicals, druggies and the sick minds have taken their toll on no less than 8 police officers in our state in the past 3 month’s, and I can’t remember the total of sicko’s who have killed family members of late..
Poverty, no job’s, rampet spending on bloated bankers, war companies, lobbiests and elected officials all in bed together with every kind of insurance scammer coming down the pike and we are kept busy with the bullshit so we can not see our own young men and women killing and being killed because our war whores want more…..What have we become.? I don’t need to have someone tell me the reason they hate us is because of FREEDOM…How much freedom is there when our country is crumbling and our own dieing as well as theirs so that all our money, taxed and borrowed is going to kill,,,I see no freedom in that…Is the only Peace I will see the same as the fallen, total silence….Peace, Blessings & Justice.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:34 am100% of GOP terrorists are Republicans.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:37 amProfiling? — Then everyone with an (R) after their name should be profiled & scrutinized. They hate the government, want it to fail, encourage hatred & violence. And they will lie to get & do anything they want.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:42 amWhy did GWB send 140k troops to Iraq [Operation Iraqi Freedom] to free people named Abdul? Why did GWB care about Abduls freedom but not the guy named Osama he promised to capture?
December 28th, 2009 at 11:42 amWhy not a line for people with names like Scott (Roeder), Tim (McVeigh) or Terry (Nichols)? Extra scrutiny for anybody packing a bible, you’ve got to know something isn’t right.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:48 amI need these questions answered STORM!!!
December 28th, 2009 at 11:48 amDon’t you know? Right-wingers like Storm grew up dreaming of the day the Iraqi people would be freed. He and his fellow Republicans have always lived with the goal of freeing their beloved Iraqis. Finaly their savior came in George W. Bush. Now they are blissfully content, since the people they love most in all the world are free.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:52 amStorm is pissing his pants again. No surprise there…
December 28th, 2009 at 11:53 amI’m much more terrified of people named Madoff than people named Abdul.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:53 amWitch1 says:
How much freedom is there when our country is crumbling and our own dieing as well as theirs so that all our money, taxed and borrowed is going to kill,,,I see no freedom in that…
I could not agree with you more. Thank you for your post :)
December 28th, 2009 at 12:01 pmWhoever wrote this lied about it on purpose; here’s the full quote from King;
December 28th, 2009 at 12:02 pm“I think there are situations like this where we are afraid of being accused of profiling. The fact is while the overwhelming majority of Muslims are outstanding people, on the other hand 100% of the Islamic terrorists are Muslims, and that is our main enemy today. So while we should not be profiling people because of their religion, at the same time we should not be bending over backwards to somehow keep them off a list.”
He said essentially the opposite of what the misquote shows him to say. In the interest of honesty, you should change the quote so that it’s not modified or out of context (it is both currently).
Nice post @# 113 Witchy One!!
December 28th, 2009 at 12:09 pmAmen.
It’s also ineffective — possibly another reason it appeals to right-wingers.
Malcolm Gladwell writes about profiling:
December 28th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
@ 59. STORM says: This comment has been voted down. Click to read. … How does the McVeigh terrorist organization compare to Al Qaeda? How many countries was the McVeigh organization tied too? December 28th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Ah, we can always count on STURM to fall in, can’t we.
Gee, Sturm, were you part of the righty organizations that gave McVeigh and Nichols shelter and logistics support at various times in the year or so before OKC? Feel free to turn yourself in as a domestic terrorist, if you were.
McVeigh and the organizations he ran with and which shared his aims didn’t need to be anywhere else, Sturm. They wanted to attack the US and they were right here, inside the country.
But they’d agree with profiling. That, and shoot on sight, would be just the thing, in their opinion; “Kill ‘em all and let God sort ‘em out.”.
How about you take your racist nativist death trip somewhere else, Sturm, or just STFU.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:11 pmYeah, so where were these guys when Tim McVeigh committed the worst (till then) act of domestic terrorism in U.S. history? Shouldn’t they have been demanding we start profiling white fundamentalist Christian ex-soldiers?
The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com
December 28th, 2009 at 12:11 pmThere are 100 Yemeni detainees at Gitmo set to be returned to Yemen. Who is most afraid of Gitmo closing? Dick Cheney. And this guy was said to be trained by al Qaeda in Yemen. If we can’t send 100 back to Yemen we can’t close Gitmo.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:12 pmCheney had motive. Would it be the first time he negotiated with the enemy to meet his political/personal agenda? I don’t think so
the young male passenger from an Islamic country with no luggage, traveling on a one-way ticket purchased with cash, who just happens to be on a terrorist watch list shouldn’t be singled out for extra screening because it wouldn’t be fair.
Nice straw man. Do you need a hat and coat for him>?
How did this guy get on the plane? He was in the terrorist database, why wasn’t he on the no fly list? Of course he should have been prevented from getting on the plane if
a; paid cash for a one way ticket
b; had no luggage.
End of story. I’d want Thomas, Frederick, Boris and Natasha to have the same scrutiny if they followed pattern a + b.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:12 pmDon’t have to be black, brown or rosy red. Don’t need to ‘profile’ by race.
No, he already knocked it down. Then his fellow Republican insurgent set it up and knocked it down again.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:16 pmmissmolly
A couple of points -
1) the compound that was used is a highly volatile explosive powder just below nitroglycerin in explosive capability and a vast amount of damage could have been done with a small amount of powder.
2) He did not have a traditional detonator, but rather a chemical detonator that was to be injected into the powder, creating a chemical reaction resulting in explosion.
These points together mean that even good airport security in its most common form (metal detectors and random pat-downs) would not have discovered anything was amiss. Only explosive powder detectors and explosive-sniffing dogs would have found out this particular plan.
That is not to say that airports should not be equipped with explosive powder detectors.
On your other points – yeah, this guy went through security in another country, so I’m not sure how this is supposed to be an indictment of the TSA or airport security in this country, and I can’t figure out how screening everyone with dark skin and an Arabic-sounding name would have prevented people like Richard Reed (the shoe-bomber) from nearly blowing up a plane….I’d like someone to explain that to me.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:16 pmTroll-kind is today obsessing over old women taking probes up the arse. What will it be tomorrow?
December 28th, 2009 at 12:19 pmjwest
Well, if that’s what people here, or anywhere, for that matter, where saying, then you’d have a point.
Screening people for having an Arabic-sounding name is not the same thing as identifying suspicious behaviors and singling those people out. Interesting that you managed to make up an argument that didn’t exist AT ALL and then become outraged that someone would make that argument. You must have learned that technique from your heroes at Fox News.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:19 pmHe was in the terrorist database, why wasn’t he on the no fly list
He wasn’t on the no fly list because the only evidence they had that he may be a terrorist was the concerned phone call placed by his father. You certainly don’t want people barred from flying because someone makes a phone call and expresses concern about you with no evidence to back it up, do you? He was on a watch list. He should have been subject to further scrutiny, yes, but you can’t prevent people from flying when you have no evidence whatsoever that they are dangerous.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:21 pmsmidget says:
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I can’t figure out how screening everyone with dark skin and an Arabic-sounding name would have prevented people like Richard Reed (the shoe-bomber) from nearly blowing up a plane….I’d like someone to explain that to me.
They can’t. They are too busy making up sick fantasies about their grandmothers being violated by anal cavity searches in airport security lines.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:22 pm@ 124. jwest …
He had a round trip ticket. Dood.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:23 pmshoeless
They get out of time about people who “clearly” aren’t terrorists being singled out for further security checks, but it never occurs to them that toddlers and infants have been denied passage onto airplanes simply because their Arabic-sounding name matches one that is on the no-fly list.
Of course, someone like jwest would probably claim that it is all for the best that those 3 year olds be prevented passage. That’s what they get for having the name their parents gave them…right?
December 28th, 2009 at 12:28 pmI will not stand for having my 93 yo mil poked and prodded in the security line. She isn’t the problem!!
And what will you say when terrorists realize that all the ‘93 yo mil’ are being waved through security?
You don’t think they’d notice that?
I had an acquaintance once who smuggled marijuana over the mexican border in the 60’s (we weren’t close and he wasn’t smuggling when I knew him, before you get carried away with the pothead nonsense, Fuzzy)
I asked him if he ever got scared going through the border… he said, ‘Nah, I just cut my hair in a high and tight and drove a Mustang back over the border. While they were busy busting every VW van for dime bags I was hauling in pounds at a time ’cause they thought I was another Marine coming back from the Donkey Shows.’
Tell me again how well profiling works.
Then tell me why you consider ‘gay’ to be a ’slur.’
Thanks.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:29 pmNow that’s just stupid, even for you. No one has said that except you.
How do you get through the day being that stupid? Does someone tie your shoes for you?
December 28th, 2009 at 12:29 pmTSA = Thousands Standing Around
December 28th, 2009 at 12:35 pm@ 127. ralph the wonder llama says: Fred ♪♫♪ says: Profiling is one thing. To gather info and know who people are that are dangerous because of their actions. Profiling based on race is nothing less than racism. That’s why the right is ok with it. It’s also ineffective — possibly another reason it appeals to right-wingers. Malcolm Gladwell writes about profiling: Smugglers may once have tended to buy one-way tickets in cash and carry two bulky suitcases. But they don’t have to. They can easily switch to round-trip tickets bought with a credit card, or a single carry-on bag, without losing their capacity to smuggle. There’s a second kind of instability here as well. Maybe the reason some of them switched from one-way tickets and two bulky suitcases was that law enforcement got wise to those habits, so the smugglers did the equivalent of what the jihadis seemed to have done in London, when they switched to East Africans because the scrutiny of young Arab and Pakistani men grew too intense. It doesn’t work to generalize about a relationship between a category and a trait when that relationship isn’t stable—or when the act of generalizing may itself change the basis of the generalization. December 28th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Gladwell is spot on the mark. The guys working to penetrate the security screen are taking the time and trouble to see regularities in what produces a ’stop and search’ in the screen. The NWA Detroit wannabe-a-bomber had a round trip ticket and a small carryon bag, and he was African.
But the Republipimps and righty frighties have always been convinced that they could just walk up to someone and determine whether they was up to no good by lookin’ ‘em over and givin’ ‘em the bad eye.
I don’t know why they don’t just come right out and say that only white Americans can fly, everybody else walks. Can’t take no chances – if some Mohammetan has put a bomb in a bicycle, ya know the next one will have a bomb in skateboard….
December 28th, 2009 at 12:35 pmBTW… Cat Stevens was also on the ‘no fly list’ under Bush.
Is the dude who wrote ‘Peace Train’ really a threat to Planes because his name is now Yusef Islam?
Grow up, righties.
This isn’t a Western or a Comic Book.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:41 pmTranslation: “If the emotionally satisfying measures that my fear demands make the terrorism problem worse by angering “innocent” muslims, tough shiite”.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:44 pm145 flagged for racism.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:45 pmFuzzy Slippers™ A Solid B+ says:
You’re right, your ‘93 yo mil’ isn’t the problem.
You are.
Admit it… even if they developed safe, sane and swift security measures you’d STILL accuse Obama of some nonsense.
Time to retire the slippers, fuzzy. You should do us all a favor and just stay in bed.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:45 pmNo one shamed Obama. Now bush and the republicans, that’s another shameful story.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:47 pm“I think the 2nd name was your street name…”
Egad! That makes me Jacko Knobber.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:52 pmThat’s odd because there is a vidio tape of him saying this at the top of the page:
December 28th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Fuzzy Slippers™ A Solid B+ says:
Muslim Scholars never gave us anything, huh?
Do you like the number ‘0′ Fuzzy?
I hope so… since you seem to be one.
Hey, can you answer either of my questions at 140?
Or is that not permitted by your ‘faith’ in falsehoods?
December 28th, 2009 at 12:58 pmWhy should we look up the rantings of a right wing terrorist such as yourself?
Why do you think you matter?
December 28th, 2009 at 12:59 pm(yawn)
December 28th, 2009 at 1:00 pmI’m waiting for an intelligent response to how our PRESIDENT was “shamed” into making a statement regarding the alleged bombing attack.
I’ll probably be waiting quite a long time, eh?
Fuzzy Logic’s comment at 145 demonstrates how little the righties have that they can use to criticize the President. First, to whine about “waiting four days” to comment, and then, to refer to a failed plot inspired by a Wile E. Coyote scheme to blow up the Roadrunner as an all-caps “TERRORIST ATTACK!”
Pretty pathetic. Imagine what these guys could have done if George W. Bush were a liberal and they actually had something worthwhile to criticize?
(Of course, if George Bush were liberal, that would mean he was smart, so that’s out.)
December 28th, 2009 at 1:01 pmMuslim scholars spit on your azz?
December 28th, 2009 at 1:02 pmHey, I’m not to judge your sexual escapades, so whatever floats your boat, fuzzy dude
I wonder where fuzzy nuts thinks the center of knowledge has always been? I wonder who he thinks came up with the math that was used in the pyramids.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:05 pmI am oddly comforted that Fuzzy is finally revealing the hostility that lies at the heart of his conservatism. I never bought his joking manner, but hostility — that seems sincere.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:06 pmWow, Fuzzy Slippers, can you say “racist”?
Seriously. Express an opinion on the situation if you wish, and feel free to join in a discussion of the instance and what problems, if any, you have with it, but leave the slurs at home.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:09 pmFinally, we’ll be able to put a stop to Paula Abdul, and her wanton promotion of amateur entertainers.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:13 pmCareful Matt, your Parody Troll is showing…
December 28th, 2009 at 1:14 pmFor the matter of clarification, mathematics and science, which were invented by Arabic peoples (specifically Babylonians), were invented long before the Islamic religion began.
But the point remains the same. There is nothing unintelligent about Arabic people. They are human beings (just like we are) with a long history of remarkable intelligence and insight. Just because some people in power have chosen to oppress millions in the name of a religion doesn’t mean these people are stupid.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:14 pmfuzz – when are you going to stop by and pick up your xmas gift from me?
i got you some of those heavy duty roofer’s kneepads to help you in your “work”.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:15 pmMatt Cvetic, then you can travel by mule. That seems to be what you guys want, to take us back to the stone age.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:15 pm“Separate but equal” is neither. It’s also unconstitutional…and disgusting.
But thanks for the input.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:15 pmThey’ve been doing the exact same thing in Israel for years and it works.
You’re right! If ever there was a land free from terrorism it’s Israel!
Wait… not ‘free’ what’s the word? Oh yeah, ‘on fire’ from terrorism, that’s it.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:15 pmI’m all for profiling, as long as it’s fair. So, any member of a group that espouses terrorist-like views, for example: “if you don’t follow MY rules as found in the Bible, you deserve to die a miserable death, suffer in hell, and I’m going to pray to God that that happens”. Anyone espouses those terrorist views should be suspect.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:20 pmRacists like Fuzzy can’t tell the difference between Mexicans and Cubans or Puerto Ricans, do you think they can tell the difference between Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs?
December 28th, 2009 at 1:22 pmThey won’t be happy until they’re all tattooed with number to signify where they’re from and what their religious affiliation is. Of course once they’ve done that Muslims will be required to wear a patch on their lapels just to make it easier for the fascists to identify them.
First Fuzzy calls others knuckle draggers and then Matt calls us bigoted. Is it opposite day in trolldom?
December 28th, 2009 at 1:26 pmNo Shayne, they don’t really understand the slurs they sling. They just recognize them as slurs and think they are interchangable.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:30 pmdammit… MattC got me, ralph.
It’s getting hard to spot the parodies amongst all the genuine paranoids these days.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:32 pmI suppose the name should have been a clue… I looked at the poster for ‘I was a Communist for the FBI’ for years and years in my dad’s office… sigh. Slow witted morning for me. Aren’t they all…
December 28th, 2009 at 1:33 pmMatt Cvetic says:
Ohh, I know the answer! I saw it in a movie… is it ‘Shoot the hostage?’
My turn, you are suddenly two inches tall for some reason and the cat looks like it wants to eat you. It should be mentioned that you are on a desk and there are all the normal home office supplies available to you on the desk (stapler, pens, paper clips, etc.)
WHAT do YOU do?
I often use the crazy hypothetical in my brainstorming script sessions. It really brings out the crazily creative and right wingers seem to hate it for some reason…
December 28th, 2009 at 1:43 pmAnd now Senator Lieberman wants a pre empt strike against Yemen.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:47 pmLieberman has no hesitancy in supporting any war against an Arab or a Moslem country,after all he was one of the few sponsers (as a Democrat) of 1998 Iraq War Act to use force against Iraq.
He was also the sponser of a bill amendment on Sept. 2007 # 3017 with his buddy Republican Senator Kyle from Arizona to use force against Iran.
Lieberman loves any sanction against any Arab or Moslem country he can sponser too.
Yemen right now is going thru a civil war between the government which represents the Sunni majority and the minority Houthees who are Shiite,and bordering Saudi Arbia.
War drumming against Iran in the Middle East began by accusing Iran of supporting the Houthees..
Saudi Arabia bordering the area where Houthees live in North Yemen.
Saudis now aiding the Yemenese government in this war.
When Saudis got their feet in the muddy war in Yemen..they asked for US help.
Now Lieberman wants to bomb as he says, Al-Qaeda in Yemen, but the Houthees are not Sunnis and has nothing to do with the Bin Ladins,who are not in bed with Shiites.
Lieberman wants a war between Shiites Iran and Sunni Saudi Arabia & Persian Gulf states, with America’s blessing, to start soon…
It is good for Israel.
And don’t be surprised to see a Lieberman’s Yemen Liberation act soon, with blessings of AIPAC and war loving Neocons.
Matt Cvetic says
December 28th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
This “probing question” of yours can hardly be called fair and balanced. While it’s reasonable to assume that an airline based in a predominately Muslim country might not serve alcohol (or pork, either, for that matter), the part about not storing anything but a prayer rug in the overhead is farfetched — meaning the question is only fair and balanced if you attach an equally bizarre condition to the American airline.
The question has another flaw. I’m assuming the point you are trying to make is that Muslims = Terrorists, and we should be very, very afraid of them. If that’s true, then I would be better off taking the Iranian airline. I’m guessing that Al Qaeda would be more focused on blowing up the American one.
If this is the way you teach, I can see why your liberal students might be annoyed. It’s not that their “liberal prejudices” are attacked, it’s that they’re smart enough to see that they have an incompetent wingnut hack for a teacher.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:52 pmDamn, Belac, you are good at this. Matt served you a parodic scorcher and you sent it right back over the net.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:55 pmDecember 28th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Matt Cvetic says:
Interesting. Ever hear of a little town called Belfast?
Wanna know how they helped resolve most of their Terrorism issues, the ‘troubles?’
The answer wasn’t ’separate but equal’ but it was ‘equality’ interestingly…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfast_Agreement
These probing questions ARE fun!
December 28th, 2009 at 2:02 pmIs that what she said?
No, she didn’t.
And it’s MISS molly to you.
December 28th, 2009 at 2:03 pmFuzzy Slippers™ A Solid B+ says
December 28th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
And I hope he joins me in profiling anyone who even appears to be middle eastern. If the Obama Administration won’t, it will be up to the American citizens to take matters into their own hands.
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OK, that certainly sounds menacing. Can you be more specific? What are you proposing “American citizens” do, exactly?
By the way, did you know there are a lot of people of Middle Eastern ancestry who are American citizens? And a lot of Muslims who are American citizens? And a lot of Middle Easterners who are Jewish or Christian? And a lot of Muslims who have no Middle Eastern ancestry whatsoever?
Did you know that the guy on the Christmas flight was Nigerian — which is in Africa, NOT the Middle East?
You’re an idiot. And a racist one at that.
December 28th, 2009 at 2:04 pmI’d do what you just did.
Diversion.
Ahh, so there really are ONLY two airlines?
It wasn’t a crazy hypothetical diversion and digression on your part or that’s exactly what it was?
I’m confused by your answer…
December 28th, 2009 at 2:05 pmMatt, I’m not sure tripping over your shoelaces and plunging headfirst into the net can be truthfully called “playing the net”…
December 28th, 2009 at 2:05 pmAlso, it’s interesting to note that there was no terrorism in Iraq until March 19, 2003.
December 28th, 2009 at 2:07 pmmister ralph, you missed the question mark (?).
We see it… explain the ‘are you sure’ part.
Doesn’t that imply that MissMolly suggested it?
Just trying to get Socratic wit cha here, you know?
December 28th, 2009 at 2:07 pm#177..Where have you been.?.Obama was dropping bombs in Yemen on the 18th of Dec. and praising their leader for the help in doing so…Jeebos I hate wars..Blessings are not enough, Peace is the answer..
December 28th, 2009 at 2:09 pmNo I didn’t. I took the question mark to be questioning some premise included in missmolly’s very astute reply to your silly hypothetical. A premise, it should be added, that was not included in missmolly’s response.
Was this wrong? Can you explain how the question mark somehow implied something other than I inferred?
December 28th, 2009 at 2:12 pmHe’s being nice. I will say it. It was stupid.
December 28th, 2009 at 2:13 pmWe’re not surprised, however, by your failure to even attempt to clear up Belac’s confusion with some explanation of your initial comment…
December 28th, 2009 at 2:13 pmMatt Cvetic says
December 28th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Molly, there’s no terrorism inside countries that are controlled by strict Muslim governments? Are you sure? Have you heard of the Sunni and Shiite conflict?
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A) I never said there was no terrorism inside countries that are controlled by strict Muslim governments.
B) I am familiar with the conflict between Sunnis and Shiites.
C) Sunnis and Shiites are fighting a civil war on the ground. They aren’t blowing each other up in commercial airliners. And Al Qaeda (a Sunni organization) has launched more airline-related attacks against Americans than against Shiites.
Your rebuttal is weak. Try refuting points with facts instead of changing the playing field. Are you sure you’re a teacher?
December 28th, 2009 at 2:14 pmMatt Cvetic says:
I’m sure you are.
Well, you succeeded with the brevity part but now you need to add the clarity.
Let me try it your way, again.
So there has never been any terrorism in countries ruled by Christian Fundamentalists? Are you sure?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Bartholomew’s_Day_massacre
December 28th, 2009 at 2:14 pm“Terrorism” and “violence” are not synonyms, Matt.
“Terrorism” is generally perpetrated by groups out-of-power. When the power structure uses violence for political ends, that’s called “oppression”.
But if you have to rely on blurring linguistic distinctions in order to mount even a weak rebuttal, then you don’t even have the skills to parody right-wingers, let alone advance their arguments with any compelling force.
December 28th, 2009 at 2:18 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Bartholomew’s_Day_massacre
Try this link, darn these tubes…
December 28th, 2009 at 2:18 pmJust Google it, Matt… then get back to me.
December 28th, 2009 at 2:18 pmbelaccifer lacca,
December 28th, 2009 at 2:19 pmDon’t forget the conflicts in Northern Ireland, the anti-abortion violence in the US and the Lord’s Resistance Army of Uganda who use children soldiers and have a long list of human rights violations.
To follow this logic, profile EVERY rat-faced white boy named Tim whose last name begins with Mc.
December 28th, 2009 at 2:20 pm“Right Wing Renews Calls For Profiling: ‘There Should Be A Separate Line To Scrutinize Anybody With The Name Abdul’”
What a bummer for Paula Abdul for having her last name. lol Seriously, the most retarding comment I have ever heard from Faux Nutwork.
Faux Nutwork + The Party of No/Fruit Loops/God = Mental illness
December 28th, 2009 at 2:21 pmmister ralph look inside yourself and discover your own answers. Then let it define you and who you are as a person. belaccifer lacca you can try this too.
What happened to helping us understand through the ‘Socratic Method?’
Are you abandoning that now?
And I’m not forgetting those things, bizzarobrain… but I want to start slowly and work up to them so I lead Matt to a new and more nuanced (and correct) conclusion, it’s this new thing I’m trying called the ‘Socratic Method.’ Someone told me all about it on-line. (wink)
December 28th, 2009 at 2:23 pmI’m sure they’ll patiently listen to your argument before they ring your silly neck.
So we are abandoning the Socratic method?
What’s this? The SoCrappy method?
December 28th, 2009 at 2:26 pmI see Matt doesn’t want to clarify anything he has said here today.
Not a surprise, really, given the evident lack of meaningful content in any of his comments. It is disappointing, however, for someone whose character is presented as one capable of at least community-college level discourse.
Perhaps more work on an extended backstory is called for at this point.
December 28th, 2009 at 2:26 pmbel, I am but a guide.
Ahh, it IS the ‘Socrappy Method’ then… the one where you fling a bunch of crap and hope something sticks?
I’ve seen that before… it stinks.
December 28th, 2009 at 2:28 pmWell, since the Kurds weren’t the ones who made the claim, then it would be pretty silly to argue semantics with them, right?
I notice you decided not to deal with my point.
December 28th, 2009 at 2:28 pmHa.
It appears Matt Cspetic is still trying to convince us that he teaches at a community college, that remains open during Christmas break.
‘Scuse me, I don’t think so!
Besides, any teacher that offers such prejudice and bigotry towards a certain political affiliation without offering counter productive discussions, would not be teaching very long.
If at all!
And as such, with the presentation of the hypothetical airline scenario, Matt deserves my patented Mucking foron award!
Happy Holiday, Matt!
December 28th, 2009 at 2:30 pmYou guys are right. This guy Matt is a waste of time, whether a Parody troll or a genuine one.
As a parody troll he’s not clever enough to be funny and as a genuine troll he’s just inconsistent and lazy.
December 28th, 2009 at 2:31 pmMatt Cystic – how do you “ring” a neck?
December 28th, 2009 at 2:35 pmI did. You missed it.
It must be typed in invisible font.
December 28th, 2009 at 2:36 pmMatt Cvetic says:
Nice white flag you have there.
Matt Cvetic also says:
bel, I am but a guide.
Ditto.
(brevity achieved? Clarity? thanks.)
December 28th, 2009 at 2:37 pmAny so-called teacher who wastes time in a political forum diametrically opposed to their point of view is a teacher the anyone with a pair of functioning brain cells would be wise to avoid at all costs.
December 28th, 2009 at 2:38 pmNot a problem, DNFP. Matt isn’t really a teacher; he just plays one on the internet.
December 28th, 2009 at 2:40 pmHe is obviously talking about right-wing terrorism. These domestic right-wing terrorists are very open about their violent ambitions.
December 28th, 2009 at 2:41 pmOkay, I’m confused.
December 28th, 2009 at 2:41 pm1) I’ve never attended a community college
2) I’m not a “Doc”
3) Christmas has passed
A teacher, warrior, bravest patron saint of freedumb, an Avatar, whatever the whims of the anonymous blogger, if the shoe fits, buy a pair in ever color…
December 28th, 2009 at 2:42 pmTeacher, teacher – please tell me. How do you “ring” a neck?
December 28th, 2009 at 2:43 pmDNFP,
December 28th, 2009 at 2:43 pmI though jack boots only came in black.
The Kurds were gassed by the Iranians during the Iraq-Iran war. If you consider that to be terrrorism then George W. Bush is the worst terrorist in the world.
December 28th, 2009 at 2:46 pmmatty is a coward.
December 28th, 2009 at 2:48 pmDRxJ, don’t let Matt’s serene incoherence throw you.
He just claims to have “taught” people, rather than actually explain anything he’s said. That way, I suspect, he thinks he can sluff off onto others responsibility for the inevitable confusion among those who try to figure out WTF he’s trying to say.
The only way to deal with Matt is as kind of a low-grade zen koan, only in reverse. If you try to take what he says literally, you will be confused because it doesn’t make sense. It is only when you cease all thinking that its shape begins to coalesce. After all, the words themselves were not generated until Matt himself ceased all thinking. Problem is, Matt’s words don’t ultimately lead you to the Truth. That’s where the “reverse” part comes in.
That’s my theory, anyway. I haven’t been able to still my mind to the degree necessary to have it make the kind of “sense” hinted at.
December 28th, 2009 at 2:49 pmMatt Cvetic says:
The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
Hortensia didn’t back down when questioned by the triumvirs.
Will you follow her example and engage?
Take that first step… answer one question honestly and thoughtfully.
December 28th, 2009 at 2:49 pmMatty is a coward. Afraid to answer my question: How do you “ring” a neck?
December 28th, 2009 at 2:52 pmshoeless
Can we please not forget were the Iraqis got the gas?
December 28th, 2009 at 2:53 pmmatty is a coward.
Definitely a candidate for “social retardation mediation”.
December 28th, 2009 at 2:57 pmFolks, i think Matt is approaching nirvana.
Maybe he’ll get raptured.
December 28th, 2009 at 2:57 pmceldem58 says:
Matty is a coward. Afraid to answer my question: How do you “ring” a neck?
Hey, is that like when you play the “towel game” with your wife/girlfriend/significant other after a shower?
December 28th, 2009 at 2:59 pmCareful, Matt… the parody thing doesn’t work when you wink at the audience too often.
You become Pauly Shore instead of Andy Kaufman.
December 28th, 2009 at 2:59 pmMy third grade teacher expected us to know the difference between “ring” and “wring”. What grade do you teach, Matty?
December 28th, 2009 at 3:02 pmSo Pauly Shore-like it’s scary.
December 28th, 2009 at 3:04 pmI thought it was well established that he was a janitor.
December 28th, 2009 at 3:04 pmSorry ralph, I don’t watch “The Bachelor”.
Who needs to when you’re living it, right?
Hey.
I don’t care whether you’re ‘real’ or not but either way you gotta put a little more thought into these answers, okay?
As ralph pointed out, you’re coming dangerously close to just dropping ‘WEASEL!’ whenever you’re cornered and expecting a laugh… and it don’t work without the laugh track to let us know it’s supposed to be funny.
My solution? Ditch the brevity and add the comedy. Or the sincerity… either would be better.
December 28th, 2009 at 3:05 pmI thought it was well established that he was a janitor.
Oh please!!!
Every custodian I’ve ever known has more common sense, dignity and humility in their nail-clippings.
December 28th, 2009 at 3:06 pmI get it. He was the one the liberal girl DIDN’T pick.
I’d say throw out the life ring, this one’s gone into the deep end and she hasn’t learned to swim yet, but I think her fate is well established and we should just silently salute the sinking vessel…
December 28th, 2009 at 3:08 pmThat makes so much sense! Poor Matty is a janitor but he watches as the teachers take advantage of their glamorous jobs to get all the young coeds.
So he goes online and BAM! he’s a teacher!
Too bad teachers generally have a pretty good grasp of language, critical thought and discourse, and the lack of those qualities easily reveal someone to be a pretender.
December 28th, 2009 at 3:09 pmLife must be good for a troll with a random-comment generator and no sense of pride in what he posts.
December 28th, 2009 at 3:11 pmFred ♪♫♪ says:
celdem58 says:
My third grade teacher expected us to know the difference between “ring” and “wring”. What grade do you teach, Matty?
I thought it was well established that he was a janitor.
The only thing definitely established is that “Matt” is an attention-suck, just like every other troll. And, like most trolls, “Matt” is convinced that he’s just terribly terribly clever.
December 28th, 2009 at 3:11 pmThat is really a pretty big insult to janitors.
December 28th, 2009 at 3:13 pmOr maybe my question should be: What grade are you in, Matty?
December 28th, 2009 at 3:13 pmBecause you’ve completely derailed the thread, Matt.
That and because we’ve all come to the reasonable conclusion that nothing good will come from the racial profiling of an entire group of people based on their name and/or skin color and that the Republicans simply make themselves look stupid when they say such things. What else is there to say, really?
December 28th, 2009 at 3:15 pmWhite racism and white racists are the cancer of the earth and need to be eradicated.
December 28th, 2009 at 3:15 pmSeriously?
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No… seriously?
December 28th, 2009 at 3:16 pmIt must suck to be so ashamed of the dirtbag that you worshipped for so long.
December 28th, 2009 at 3:16 pmbecause it doesn’t take 261 posts to establish that the gop are racist?
December 28th, 2009 at 3:16 pmI don’t think he’s succeeded in derailing the conversation at all… in fact, before his posts I would have ‘profiled’ College Professor as someone capable of at least a marginally intelligent conversation.
Matt has SUCCEEDED in showing that even this preconceived notion is a terrible waste of time.
Thanks, Matt, for confirming that ‘profiling’ based on race, ethnicity, religion and EVEN profession is a waste of time.
As are you.
December 28th, 2009 at 3:19 pm“It’s time to have a Muslims check-point line” at airports.
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Muslims one line . .
Catholics one line . .
Jewish people another line . .
Religious profiling??
Gallagher IGNORANT line!!
December 28th, 2009 at 3:20 pmOh Matt, you mean your community college that was open on December 23rd?
December 28th, 2009 at 3:24 pmIf he is really a teacher…he is the Kent Hovind of teachers. Or maybe the Andy Schlafly of teachers.
December 28th, 2009 at 3:24 pmMatt Cvetic says:
You don’t believe that racism and racists are a ‘cancer?’
Why?
December 28th, 2009 at 3:26 pmSlaves?
Nah…I just enjoy the hunt.
The mental smackdown of a troll is (almost) always an enjoyable activity.
December 28th, 2009 at 3:30 pmSeriously, what the hell is the troll ranting about? Who the hell is LizCoro?
December 28th, 2009 at 3:32 pmHey, I wonder how many of the right-wingers including STORM here were so disappointed the terrorist attack did not succeed? How many were hoping for people to be killed so that they could run up the count on Obama? Legitimate question, because I hear people like Newt Gingrich saying that America needed another terrorist attack to come to its senses…
December 28th, 2009 at 3:32 pmThe rest of you? Slaves.
Ahh, does the truth about the ineffectiveness of profiling as a security measure go away if you can get posters to reply directly to you in an on-line forum?
It doesn’t? Strange.
So, the truth is you have nothing to say and no real talent for saying it?
Noted.
Thanks.
December 28th, 2009 at 3:32 pmSeriously Matt, why are you here?
December 28th, 2009 at 3:37 pmA real intelligent answer, not some contradiction or an attempt to start bickering would be a genuine show of intellect on your part.
Give it a try, you’d be surprised.
Names which start with Abdul are very common among Moslems.
Our friendly Moslem countries leaders have Abdul in their names, for example:-
King Abullah of Jordan.
King Abdulla of Saudi Arabia.
President Abdulla Gul of Turkey.
President Omar Abdullah Saleh of Yemen..
Foreign Minister of Afghanstan..Abdulla Abdulla
on and on..almost every third name has Abdul-something in Moslem world..if not the first,it is the middle, or the family name.
December 28th, 2009 at 3:39 pmAdbul..means: ’servant of…’.
Abdulla means: ‘Servant of Allah (God)’.
As an alternative, chicken-shit regressive GOPigs should just quit flying cuz there are middle eastern folks EVERYWHERE, haven’t you noticed- they’re, like-taking over the World??!!?!? (or is that the Mexicans, I forget which group you fear most).
As always, don’t forget the Depends.
December 28th, 2009 at 3:40 pmWhat do you call a kid with no arms or legs who lays on the front porch?
December 28th, 2009 at 3:41 pmWith people like Matt, who needs a mud-scraper for their shoes?
December 28th, 2009 at 3:43 pmAh, so Matty is here strictly to garner attention for himself as some means of proving his potency as an attention-getter?
Okay, his body of work now makes a little bit of sense, in a twisted sort way.
December 28th, 2009 at 3:56 pmTranslation: A few of my tea-bagger friends told me it would be a great idea to act like a hostile d!ck on TP.
December 28th, 2009 at 3:56 pmWho indeed.
Mister Matt… you forgot the question mark (?) or did I miss it again?
Any thoughts on how the Irish handled their troubles that you’d like to share with us?
Thanks.
December 28th, 2009 at 3:59 pmtarazan
Didn’t you know that Yemen isn’t a friend anymore since Abdulmutallab learned Arabic there.
Lieberman said so…he said we should pre-emptively attack Yemen now….and we all know how trustworthy Lieberman is…
/sarcasm
December 28th, 2009 at 3:59 pmthis sums up one of matts statements:
The latest survey shows that
December 28th, 2009 at 4:04 pmthree out of four people make
up 75% of the population
Matt Cvetic says:
That’s a no?
December 28th, 2009 at 4:04 pmP.S. adding a ‘p’ doesn’t make it funnier, Matt… it just makes you look desperate.
I’m desperate for you to be funny, can you try harder?
December 28th, 2009 at 4:06 pmLieberman set the plan when he said on TV:
December 28th, 2009 at 4:07 pm” Iraq is yesterday’s war, Afghanstan is the current war, and Yemen is the future war”..
Yemen was a country until 3 weeks ago never mentioned by US media,,but now it is all about Yemen..
Wake up America before Neocons send your kids to another bloody front they are about to open.
Think we need a list for dudes named Rusty, Buster, Ray, or any two name country music sounding name. Also grown men that go by initials like BJ or any stupid shit like that. Anyone that pisses and moans about taxes and guns all the time should definately be watched closely as should anyone with an excess of falgs wrapped all over the place…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091225/ap_on_re_us/us_hostage_situation_post_office
December 28th, 2009 at 4:08 pmMatt Cvetic is a faker! Ignore the ointment boy and his dork friends…
December 28th, 2009 at 4:09 pmThese idiots that think you can actually fight a war against terrorism have zero understanding of what terrorism is.
Hint – it’s a crime. Like murder, rape, theft, or fraud. A crime. It is committed by individuals or organizations, not countries. If it is perpetrated by a country, it is not terrorism, it is an act of war. You don’t go to war with an entire country because they happen to have a criminal within their borders. We have criminals within our borders too. Good thing India has more sense than we do, and hasn’t decided to attack us since we exported a terrorist to their country.
Yemen for fcuk’s sake. Apparently we won’t stop until we’re at war with every fcuking country on the planet.
December 28th, 2009 at 4:11 pmMatt:
December 28th, 2009 at 4:13 pmWhat about posing appeals to you?
I see Matt the liar, racist, ped0phile is back doing his usual attention seeking.
Go be a good little janitor and let the adults talk.
IOWSTFUYPPOS
December 28th, 2009 at 4:13 pmIOWSTFUYPPOS
This was a masterful acronym. Voted up for sheer brilliance.
December 28th, 2009 at 4:15 pmYou invented shit.
December 28th, 2009 at 4:26 pmEvidently, dbadass, among the things that appeals to Matt about posing, one should NOT number “answering direct questions”.
December 28th, 2009 at 4:27 pm… And I coined the phrase “Pardon my French”.
December 28th, 2009 at 4:27 pmsmidget, I don’t think “invented” is the same thing as “produced and spread on internet discussion forum”.
December 28th, 2009 at 4:29 pmYou invented shit.
Nah, he just discovered it and is hoping that some of it will stick to the wall… a vain hope, and a smelly one. But everyone knows that ‘College Professors’ are, as a rule, vain and smelly.(I speak as the child of one, so I know whereof I speak.)
He think’s its part of the profile.
December 28th, 2009 at 4:29 pmMatt is a child…
December 28th, 2009 at 4:29 pmJeezus guys, it’s a turn of phrase.
It’s a refutation of a claim.
December 28th, 2009 at 4:31 pmYou know…like:
“You know shit.”
or
“You heard shit.”
Emphasis on the “shit”….interchangeable with “dick.”
December 28th, 2009 at 4:32 pmsmidget says:
Jeezus guys, it’s a turn of phrase.
It’s a refutation of a claim.
I’m with you, smidget.
December 28th, 2009 at 4:32 pmI forgot ‘/snark’
Oh thank jeebus. I was getting worried about you all.
December 28th, 2009 at 4:34 pmI know, smidget. I was just extending your metaphor, like a relay runner taking a baton. I apologize if it sounded corrective rather than cooperative.
December 28th, 2009 at 4:35 pmSokay, ralph.
Admittedly, even though I thought you had misunderstood me (which I now realize was a pretty stupid thought on my part), I still laughed my ass off when I read your post.
December 28th, 2009 at 4:37 pm“If you’re explaining you’re losing.”
- Nicolo Machiavelli
Sure, but if you’re incomprehensible you ain’t winning… and you ain’t funny, either. Sorry.
“If no one gets the joke, you wrote it wrong.”
December 28th, 2009 at 4:40 pm-David Mamet
“Any man can make mistakes, but only an idiot persists in his error.”
December 28th, 2009 at 4:41 pm-Marcus Tullius Cicero
Matt for real.
December 28th, 2009 at 4:42 pmIs you life really that pathetic that this is what you have beeen reduced to? What possible motivation would one have to go online and make a specticle of themselves? Claearly this has nothing to do with political ideology. So what is it?
Ahh, so you can actually read some of my posts?
Great!
How does profiling protect us, exactly?
Won’t terrorists just look to start using ‘93 yo mil’s’ when they see them being waved through security?
Thanks!
December 28th, 2009 at 4:46 pmMatt:
December 28th, 2009 at 4:47 pmWhy are you so frightened to explain what your purpose is? Is it that you are insincere as well as a fraud? Why not be proud and share with mommy and daddy what you do online? Is it because you know it is embarassingly pitiful and worthy of nothing but ridicule?
You’re here with me playing tic-tac-toe. And I always get the first move and the center square.
You’re aware that this still end’s up a Cat’s Game when you face any reasonable competent opponent, right?
That’s why it’s so shocking when you lose… but the novelty is begining to wear off. That’s why I say be a better Con or a better parody, I don’t care which but I do want you to be better.
Please?
Now, about that profiling nonsense, any thoughts?
How about the Belfast question, any lessons to be learned there?
I think there are…
December 28th, 2009 at 4:54 pmtarazan says:
Adbul..means: ’servant of…’.
December 28th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
___________
“Servant of the,” if you want to get technical. The “ul” is the definite article, and is really part of the second word in the name. “Abdullah” is more accurately transliterated as 3abd al-Lah.
Allah can be replaced by any of the other 99 names for God – al-Malik (the sovereign), al-Jabbar (the most lofty), al-Wahid (the one), etc.
And then if the name uses a sun letter instead of a moon letter, you have to change the “al” to match. Hence, 3abd ur-Rahmaan (the beneficent) or 3abd ur-Rahiim (the merciful) or 3abd us-Salaam (the peace).
December 28th, 2009 at 5:02 pmThe only way to deal with Matt is as kind of a low-grade zen koan, only in reverse. If you try to take what he says literally, you will be confused because it doesn’t make sense. It is only when you cease all thinking that its shape begins to coalesce. After all, the words themselves were not generated until Matt himself ceased all thinking. Problem is, Matt’s words don’t ultimately lead you to the Truth. That’s where the “reverse” part comes in.
That’s my theory, anyway. I haven’t been able to still my mind to the degree necessary to have it make the kind of “sense” hinted at.
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December 28th, 2009 at 5:10 pmRalph, I have a much simpler theory. Matt is a delusional, arrogant, lonely right winger.
In other words, he’s a bigger turkey than the one I had at Thanksgiving.
tony and lido
And I always get the first move and the center square.
December 28th, 2009 at 5:13 pm—
Yet you still end up losing and being the one that has to select a new name. How do you explain that?
I’d like to see people like you on a plane with Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab. Civilization and Phony Correctiveness ends when you meet the face of the enemy. Your cowardly screams would be more deadly than any bomb. You’d demand that all measures be taken to ensure YOUR safety and sit back while someone else did the fighting. How many of you white guliters have actually met a minority? Gardeners, black lovers and maids do not count. White frauds -
December 28th, 2009 at 5:23 pmJinx says:
Care to explain how focusing on one religious or ethnic group will make us all ’safer’ in the air?
Wouldn’t the terrorists quickly figure out that white guys named Johnson were getting waved through while the darker guy named Abdul was getting stopped and strip-searched?
December 28th, 2009 at 5:26 pmHi Jinx?
December 28th, 2009 at 5:35 pmLet’s hope Foreign Countries don’t start Profiling Americans. Think about this for a minute. With the way Americans can be bribed for big bucks we might see the Taliban/Al Queada hire a white man, blond hair and blue eyes to be the next bomber. Remember their are white Muslims too. A perfect front to have a young rich white kid to be the next terrorist and you can bet that person will never be stopped or checked at the airport. As for the names on the Watch List, Bush even had Senators names on the list.
December 28th, 2009 at 5:42 pmKeep finding comfort in implicating Mr. Johnson. You’re all cowards who’d hide under the seat while others did the fighting. You do that daily anyway as parasitic citizens of the United States. No matter what you say, we know who the enemy is both foreign and domestic. Your obtuseness will catch up with you eventually.
December 28th, 2009 at 5:43 pmSo Jinx, how are you fighting the war on terror? Oh that’s right…you’re criticizing us for not cowering in fear and continuing to live our lives. You’re the coward.
December 28th, 2009 at 5:47 pmJinx says:
I’m not implicating anyone… I’m just surprised that you don’t realize that the terrorists will probably start using a whole bunch of Mr. Johnson’s once they realize that they’re getting waved through… you follow me?
December 28th, 2009 at 5:48 pmJinx says:
Keep finding comfort in implicating Mr. Johnson. You’re all cowards who’d hide under the seat while others did the fighting. You do that daily anyway as parasitic citizens of the United States. No matter what you say, we know who the enemy is both foreign and domestic. Your obtuseness will catch up with you eventually.
If you’re trying to be a parody troll, you’re not very good. And if you’re not trying to be a parody troll, you’re still not very good. But I do find it hard to believe that an intelligent person would actually think this way.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:01 pmEven if that’s so, we’d still do the fighting while your comrades hid under the seats. And there aren’t too many whites who’d blow themselves up for a cause – even McVeigh took off before the big show. Regardless, those whites who’d commit suicide come from your side of the aisle. Nazi, white supremacists, socialist = leftist with few exceptions. I’m sorry, you people have no idea the good thing you attack daily. You live in Eden but don’t know it.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:01 pm#328 Toasthead,
I did not intend to give an Arabic grammar lesson…
You did a good job, but you have to remember that this is not an arena for Arabic language teaching.
I chose simplicity instead to make my point because of readers here are not going to understand what you wrote.
Thanks for your work anyway.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:06 pmAnd there aren’t too many whites who’d blow themselves up for a cause
Really? Why do you think that? The truth is that I doubt there are many people who’d willing blow themselves up of any race but I find it interesting that you find BLOWING other people up for a cause to be heroic while blowing yourself up to be ‘Nazi, white supremacists, socialist = leftist’ (which is all kinds of crazy all on its own, BTW)
And you still didn’t answer my question… how does ‘profiling’ make us safer?
December 28th, 2009 at 6:08 pmMuslims blow up planes – white people do not. Most of you live in an all white neighborhoods. You know it’s true but are parasites.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:11 pmhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091225/ap_on_re_us/us_hostage_situation_post_office
December 28th, 2009 at 6:17 pm—
This silly pice of white trash needed profiling it seems….
Muslims blow up planes, white people do not. Most of you live in all-white neighborhoods and are leeches. History will record such clairvoyance as reality.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:19 pmJinx says:
Muslims blow up planes – white people do not. Most of you live in an all white neighborhoods. You know it’s true but are parasites.
You think this was Muslims?
December 28th, 2009 at 6:19 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Chesterton_Crash
I have doubts…
I know this Guy was white…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Metesky
This plane was blown up by Bulgarians, is that white enough?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Al_Flight_402
This one by Israelis, white?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Arab_Airlines_Flight_114
Epic, historical fail, Jinx-y.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:20 pmMatt Cvetic says:
Quack, quack, quack. If you’re not going to contribute something intelligent to the conversation get the heck out of here.
Ditto for you, Matt.
C’mon…
December 28th, 2009 at 6:21 pm. Most of you live in all-white neighborhoods and are leeches.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:22 pm— This is the part that made me giggle the most…
Stillit would have been even more ridiculous had they remembered to mention arugula and lattes….
December 28th, 2009 at 6:23 pmGiggle? MOST of you live in all white neighborhoods and are parasitic cowards. Giggle yourselves into irrelevance; history will not mind.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:26 pmJinx says:
Nothing to say about the planes I posted that ‘white’ people blew up, Jinx?
How about Belfast?
You ever heard of that place?
December 28th, 2009 at 6:27 pmMOST of you live in all white neighborhoods and are parasitic cowards.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:41 pm—
And what are these imaginery people you speak of parasiting in their all white neighborhoods?
Agreed, dbadass. It was giggle-inducing.
Say… does our friend Matt here remind anyone else of troll jay? I’m not saying Matt IS troll jay, but he’s definitely fit to carry on the legacy of direct questions dodged and unwarranted arrogance projected.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:41 pmDear bel, there are always exceptions to history. I hope that you’d understand the deep river of time but it seems you’ve drowned. And if I remember correctly (and I do) the Irish calmed themselves after 9-11. They aren’t animals like the monster zoo you haphazardly defend. You’d crumble if you were on a hijacked plane and scream for a man to defend you. Or a strong woman who knew better. And on a side-note, is it acceptable to collect a DNA sample from Abdulmutallab. Is it? I’m not sure what the parasite class has to say.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:42 pmYou’d crumble if you were on a hijacked plane and scream for a man to defend you.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:53 pm—
What do you base your zany comments on or do you just say silly shit for fun?
And if I remember correctly (and I do) the Irish calmed themselves after 9-11.
Huh. Nope. You don’t… the Belfast Agreement was in 1998… if my math is correct (and it is) that’s well before 9-11-2001. Over three years before.
Hooray for Facts!
December 28th, 2009 at 6:54 pmI assume 9/11/01 was what you were referring to, right?
Or did you mean that the Irish ‘calmed themselves’ after my Graduation on 9/11/97 to celebrate?
That’s awfully nice of you to say…
December 28th, 2009 at 6:56 pm“What do you base your zany comments on or do you just say silly shit for fun?”
None of you would jump on a burning man. None of you. And the best part, in hindsight, is that the hero is Dutch! God save his Queen. None of you would do the same. You’re cowards and leeches. And how about that DNA?
December 28th, 2009 at 6:58 pmJinx says:
Do you need the DNA for a conviction?
December 28th, 2009 at 7:00 pmSeems to me that the case is pretty strong already.
None of you would jump on a burning man. None of you.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:01 pm—
Saying shit doesn’t make it so especially when you use such expansive terms. What if any point are you trying to make because on the surface your words are just silly to the point of meaningless. Is that what your goal is or is there something more to it?
Don’t you love it when silly people project their own inadequacies — the fears about themselves they try unsuccessfully to suppress – onto others, people that they don’t even know?
I just love the transparency of it. Makes the underlying psychology so much easier to map.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:04 pmDear bel, no one said the Irish were English. But are you saying the Muslims are somehow equal? And remember, the Irish who continue to kill innocents are European serfs disguised as free men. They are monsters and parasites much like you. The Social Democrats are safe from Britannic slaughter yet still claim to be pseudo-English. It’s the poor-white man’s heaven protected by the Americans. And how about that DNA? Who are you people?
December 28th, 2009 at 7:14 pmWow. The reichwing lunatics are out in force today. Did the ghost of Ronnie Raygun come ’round and empty out the mental hospitals again??
December 28th, 2009 at 7:16 pmThey are monsters and parasites
December 28th, 2009 at 7:17 pm—- Oh No!!!!!But Johnnie’s out there……
no one said the Irish were English
What? No, they didn’t… what?!?
And remember, the Irish who continue to kill innocents are European serfs disguised as free men. They are monsters and parasites much like you.
What???
The Social Democrats are safe from Britannic slaughter yet still claim to be pseudo-English. It’s the poor-white man’s heaven protected by the Americans. And how about that DNA? Who are you people?
????
Who are you?!? You’re weird…
December 28th, 2009 at 7:18 pmAnd hey, Mattie, sweetheart? Just wanted to point out a teensy little factoid for you:
Like you say, WE may be here, not passing out petitions, not knocking on doors…
BUT SO ARE YOU – no teabagging for YOU, wingnut!!
December 28th, 2009 at 7:18 pm“Saying shit doesn’t make it so especially when you use such expansive terms. What if any point are you trying to make because on the surface your words are just silly to the point of meaningless. Is that what your goal is or is there something more to it?”
Yeah, like I’d want a traitor and leech like you sitting next to me or a kindly old lady.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:19 pmSo, Jinxie – who was the last burning man YOU jumped on, eh?
DO tell.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:19 pmIs misanthropy a requirement for being a wing-nut or does that just score you brownie points?
December 28th, 2009 at 7:21 pmYeah, like I’d want a traitor and leech like you sitting next to me or a kindly old lady.
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December 28th, 2009 at 7:22 pmWhat do you know of the hirudinea?
Bel, Euros are serfs – it’s the land of kings and queens. Only the American military (which you despise) keeps them from killing each other. Brush up on your history. I’d rather be weird than a fool who thinks Europeans achieved peace unilaterally.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:22 pmI’d rather be weird than a fool
December 28th, 2009 at 7:24 pm—
Well your words seem to indicate that you are probably both…
Annie, a man like me would defend a parasite like you.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:24 pmman like me would defend a parasite like you.
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December 28th, 2009 at 7:25 pmThis is embarassing.
The dumbass thinks this is embarrassing. What about that DNA you sick chumps?
December 28th, 2009 at 7:33 pmOnly the American military (which you despise) keeps them from killing each other.
I do?
And the Irish and English would never have reached an agreement without our military involvement? When were we involved in that conflict???
Is this more of your ‘historical knowledge’ like the ‘Irish settled down after 9/11?’
In other words, knowledge you made up outta nothing?
December 28th, 2009 at 7:36 pmJinx says:
Ask the prosecutor you sick chump… I didn’t order the DNA test stopped, they did.
Get it?
December 28th, 2009 at 7:37 pma man like me would defend a parasite like you.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:41 pm—
Am I to understand that someone that would post something this absurd wishes to be considered relevant?
Parasite, the American stamp on Britain is indelible and vice-versa yet in dramatically different ways. Britain was a sunk island until we formally arrived. Unlike most leeches, I listened to WWII vets and read NON-phony correct history. Are you one of those ticks who believes that peace just grew out of the dirt? And have you sent a thank you card to the US military in the deepest of gratitude? And what about the DNA? Chumps – you will be touched by you intellectual dishonesty. And it will hurt – - -
December 28th, 2009 at 7:46 pmJinx says:
Were we talking about WW2 or the Troubles in Ireland… intellectual dishonesty?
December 28th, 2009 at 7:48 pmIs your monitor too shiny?
I think you are seeing yourself there, jinx…
DNA?
December 28th, 2009 at 7:49 pmAsked and answered, chump.
see #379.
And it will hurt – – -
December 28th, 2009 at 7:50 pm—
No it won’t since it is complete crap…
Bel, imagine Ireland without the US stamp or protection. Come on, just try to imagine. Talk to a vet…especially a WWII vet before they are all dead as if you care. A leech such as yourself probably wants them all in hell. I know your kind despises the military that protects you, but try to talk to just one. You’re sick. As for the prosecutor, why would a US Attorney back off his motion? Because of people like you, perhaps? Just wait until you are on one of those planes. You fool.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:21 pmJinx says:
You are an idiot.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:29 pmTalk to me… do I want the vets in hell? No.
Do I despise the military? No. Wrong again.
Ireland without the US stamp or protection?
What the hell does that even mean?
And again…
Ask the prosecutor why the motion was withdrawn… I didn’t ask for that nor do I consider it an outrage either way… all that indignation is coming from YOU, not me.
You’re lying about everything but this: “I didn’t ask for that nor do I consider it an outrage either way”
You sick puppy. And I’m sorry the American stamp is lost on you. I guess you think broadband just grows out of the dirt.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:38 pmWait, you really don’t understand why the prosecutor would back off because of people like you?
December 28th, 2009 at 8:40 pmbecause of people like you?
December 28th, 2009 at 8:49 pm–
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You talk silly….
You’re lying about everything but this:
Well, tinkerty-tonk. And I mean it to sting…
December 28th, 2009 at 8:53 pmJinx,
December 28th, 2009 at 9:00 pm1) I have friends and family members in the military.
2) Why would I wish for someone who I do not know, who fought for my freedoms…to be tortured in a place I don’t believe in?
3) Stop mutilating history.
4) Stop using the troops and your pseudo-patriotic bullshit to smear your political opponents.
“Man made disasters” – only traitors could fabricate something so absurd to obfuscate brutal reality. And only a prosecutor answering to Holder would not pursue a DNA test. Ask yourselves, you frauds, what if Bush had done the same? Would you be so pliant? Or would it be “a total collapse of security” on the evening news.” You lying sacks of crap. And remember, they were afraid of us until now. Ask your dumb selves why? You feel safe under those chairs, don’t you? And it’s odd, none of you jumped to defend the WII vets. You’re leeches and that’s why the 9th circle of Hell is reserved for traitors. You’re so easily beat – the only card you have is the race card. It’s sick you’re mostly white which will be your undoing. Do you really think that won’t catch up with you?
December 28th, 2009 at 9:12 pmbizarrobrain, you don’t give a damn about anything that doesn’t advance the decline of Western Civilization. You may be too dumb to understand that but it’s true. You’re using the troops as props and would’ve spit on them as they tried to save Saigon. Oh wait, because of people like you it’s Ho Chi Minh City today. Those images of helicopters never got to you, did they? You nor your sick leadership.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:17 pmJinx:
December 28th, 2009 at 9:19 pmWhat is with the white thing? Is that like your gig or what is up with that weirdness? Are you Tracy_5’s black friend by any chance?
You nor your sick leadership.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:21 pm—
The leader bean is sick? We most find more leader beans….I have a potato chip that resembles the leader…
I’m sorry dumbass, have you ever met a minority that didn’t swear to you from inside the radio? Maids, black lovers, and rap stars don’t count. And you do know the demographic makeup of this country is shifting due to white patricians such as Teddy Kennedy? Do you really think Teddy ever intended to live among the commoners he helped to dilute? Silly man. Mexicans will soon be asking your lazy butt to wash the dishes. Please understand the nation won’t survive with white boys getting high and playing video games all day – fat white boys to be accurate. You fool.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:30 pmYou fool.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:35 pm–
How would I know how to make smothered greens, seviche, fish tacos, brisket, sauerbraten, and paella so well
Thanks anyway, a$$hole – I don’t need the likes of you to defend me.
But I still want to hear all about YOUR heroism. Who was the last burning man YOU jumped on? Or let’s make it easy – the last nice little old lady you saved from a robber?
Anything. C’mon, hero, tell us all about it.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:44 pmI think you’re confused. None of the foods you eat would appeal to anyone unless they are suffering from white guilt. If you are indeed a minority, how does it feel to have a a white guilt president collapse before your eyes? You do know he hates black people, right? Has he done anything for them? Anything other than kicking them out of private DC schools? Does Obama ever give the impression that he cares about blacks? And let me be clear (to use his redundant words) only a traitor would take joy in his failure. I want the president to succeed under any circumstance. But this, of course, does not apply to you sickos when it comes to Bush or Regan. But introspection has never been a strong point of leftists.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:54 pmAnnie, I’ve done more for humanity by spitting in your eye than your entire traitorous movement. You obviously don’t understand how women fare under despotic regimes. Read a history book, why don’t ya? Hundreds of millions of people have died because of people who worship Chaves and Castro, who excuse Mao and Stalin, all doing do so from within safe American borders. You’re a sick girl. People like you would see others burn in order to satisfy your perverse sense of reality. You will pay for excusing the misery of others. Fate is cruel and it loves useful idiots. Being a useful idiot, you do know who coined the phrase?
December 28th, 2009 at 10:06 pmThis Jinxy is a card, ain’t he?
I gotta admit; sometimes it’s more effective to expose right-wing lunacy for what it is by imitating it as our friend here is doing, as opposed to simply critiquing it as I tend to do.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:15 pmralph the wonder llama says:
This Jinxy is a card, ain’t he?
I leave for a few hours and you all conjure up the creepiest, barking mad lunatic we’ve seen here in ages.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:33 pmCome on “Ralph” critique me. Let’s start with Mao, Stalin, Chavez, Castro and minority treatment under these leftist regimes. How do the Indians, blacks, women, and Mongols fare under the boot of these leaders? Or you can start with your sicko professors considering them heroes in lieu of Washington and Jefferson. You can begin with the Nazis if you like. You do know they were the National Socialist Party? You do, don’t you? Come on, you understand they were socialists? You know, an oligarchy disguised as a plutocracy disguised as a killing machine? You do understand they started with national healthcare and then moved on to to the Jews, Gypsies and gays? But I have a feeling a man like you has no idea what that means.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:33 pmYou do understand they started with national healthcare and then moved on to to the Jews, Gypsies and gays?
Are you telling me that Otto von Bismark forsaw the rise of Hitler and the NAzi’s in 1883 and that’s the real reason he passed the Health Insurance Bill?
You’ve got a strange concept of history, jinxy…
December 28th, 2009 at 11:04 pmYep, the Nazis were every bit as “socialist” as North Korea is a “democratic republic”.
Good call, Jinxy.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:32 pmWow.
Jinx is retarded. And it appears that it has no earthly clue of this reality. That’s so pathetically sad. I almost feel sorry for it.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:36 pmYeah… about that thing with the Jews… it’s almost like they demonized an entire religion and then profiled them… where have I heard calls like that lately?
December 28th, 2009 at 11:36 pmAlmost.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:37 pmYou’ve got a strange concept of history
Does “zero” fall under the category of “strange”?
December 28th, 2009 at 11:38 pmHi, ralph! How are you this fine evening?
Even at this late hour, you’re still on-point on the ever-noble troll hunt, I see.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:41 pmBel, don’t dirty Bismark by speaking his name with your traitorous tongue; he is the only European George Washington but yielded to the whims of monarch. You lack the basic foundational knowledge of history – the chaotic nations of Europe were shamed by Bismark’s glory. What he attempted with healthcare does not compare to the Socialist dream, one of elite privilege and a slow decline to 1000 AD. Bismark was a patriot, a man with honor that truly cared for his citizens unlike Obama. His death ushered in your sub-conscious hero, Adolf Hitler.
I don’t think national healthcare applied to Gypsies, gays and Jews. You mental midgets can’t comprehend what’s come before you and the consequence of being ungrateful. Despotism is the natural order and our president is a natural despot. As it was once said, it’s easier to tell a big lie than a small one. The United States of America is a remarkable Eden and you’re sick for not seeing it.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:51 pmsmidget says:
Hi, ralph! How are you this fine evening?
Even at this late hour, you’re still on-point on the ever-noble troll hunt, I see.
It may be best just to let this particular troll simmer in his own feces. This one’s definitely a head case.
December 29th, 2009 at 12:12 amIs Jinx really the Savage Weiner? They sound strangely similar…
December 29th, 2009 at 12:36 amSavage has made a lot of money, silly child. Even a putz like you seems to listen, keeping talk radio rich and profitable. Do you really think I only pay attention to the ungrateful fringe on your side? That I’m just as narrow and dense as you are? I’m not in this to waste my time or feed my narcissism. There are plenty of ingrates willing to smile for the camera every day. I’m grateful to live in this country and that will carry anyone far. Fools.
December 29th, 2009 at 12:54 amJinx- I’m grateful to live in this country, too.
And you are no where near as narrow or dense as I am… you are much, much, much more dense and narrow…
December 29th, 2009 at 1:00 ambelaccifer lacca says:
Is Jinx really the Savage Weiner? They sound strangely similar…
I suppose it’s possible. Both head cases.
December 29th, 2009 at 1:08 amNo, you are not grateful. You think the world revolves around you and your sex life. Whether you are happy, whether you are unhappy, whether the world owes you a living somehow. The selfishness of the modern leftist is boundless. The best part is that you think you figure into the greater plan; it’s as if you haven’t studied your own movement. That’s what makes you a fool.
I can out think you. I can out write you and I can do it under any circumstance. You are a useful idiot and will not escape your fate. I’m tired now, I’ve kicked all of you around like GED dropouts and I’m going to bed.
December 29th, 2009 at 1:51 amYou have a very strange sense of what ‘kicking’ me around looks like.
So far you’ve mistaken the time of the Belfast Agreement, claimed that it wouldn’t have happened without US involvement, told me that the Powers of Europe needed America to get rid of their royalty, and spouted nonsense about Socialism being related to the Nazi party and then claimed that the German healthcare model (introduced by Bismark, whom you seem to revere) was a precursor to the death camps.
Bizarre.
Perhaps you should go and get that GED, huh?
December 29th, 2009 at 2:01 amSeriously, is this Michael Weiner I’m talking too?
If not, your impression is dead on.
December 29th, 2009 at 2:02 amP.S. who mentioned sex?
December 29th, 2009 at 2:03 amThat seems to be your own bizarre insertion… well, all you contributions were bizarre but still…
“So far you’ve mistaken the time of the Belfast Agreement, claimed that it wouldn’t have happened without US involvement”
You’re assuming Europe’s natural state is peace as opposed to war. You’ve never had an honest professor explain to you the impact America has had on world stability. You’re like Bill Ayres who thinks it’s all crap.
“told me that the Powers of Europe needed America to get rid of their royalty”
American power neutered European royalty (and Asian) and it’s ideals brought down the French crown. It’s not that hard to figure out. And I never said that anyway.
“and spouted nonsense about Socialism being related to the Nazi party”
You’re silly for not seeing that. You are a goosestepper, aren’t you?
“and then claimed that the German healthcare model (introduced by Bismark, whom you seem to revere) was a precursor to the death camps.”
If you’re ignoring that the elderly and weak are not being targeted in this debate, you are dangerous indeed. We could face a generation where the old begin to trickle off and their wisdom lost. NO GOVERNMENT WANTS TO PAY FOR THE OLD AND WEAK. You don’t cut 500 million out of Medicare and call it a boon. Only the American system, combined with morality and the profit motive sustain the old. Plus your kind believes in reeducation camps so don’t give me your crap. Kerry outed you. It makes sick that I’m staying up to argue this. Your mother should have taught you these things.
December 29th, 2009 at 2:18 amExcuse me, it’s 500 billion that you monsters demand from the old and weak. We will see what happens. You made enemies of the old and they can be embittering enemies.
December 29th, 2009 at 2:23 am1) So progress is decline? What Orwellian hellhole did you crawl out of? Seriously how would you fix things? Do you have any ideas that would make civilization better?
2) I wasn’t alive in during the Vietnam war. And we lost in Vietnam because we didn’t understand the enemy.
Seriously what is your purpose here? Its like you only exist to insult and demean people because they don’t agree with you. It’s like reading a book where the main character is composed of the worst parts of every paranoid right wing floating head.
December 29th, 2009 at 2:24 amActually I grew up with an honest professor, my father, and all his friends arguing in the living room until late into the night about America’s effect on the world, stabilizing and not so stabilizing both.
Your obsessive need to discuss your own supposed intellectual superiority coupled with your inability to grasp the point I was making about the Belfast Agreement and the effect of understanding and compromise on the stability of both Ireland and Europe in general only makes me feel sorry for you…
I hope you do ‘out write’ someone someday… then maybe you will be capable of engaging in a real conversation.
December 29th, 2009 at 2:34 amWell…that last post of mine was a bizarre mish-mash of run on sentences and poor punctuation, in truth.
Perhaps you will ‘out write’ someone tonight!
Give it a shot… really buckle down and focus and show us what the hell you’re rambling about!
December 29th, 2009 at 2:37 amListen little guy, the whole reason I posted here was because of the scurrilous comments I read. It’s as if you lack any perception of self. Progress means low taxes and minimal government intrusion. You are pitiful if you don’t understand that.
Vietnam had the potential to trail Korea into prosperity had it not been for the spoiled American left. They turned on their own president in a rabid pursuit of defeat. Just because you weren’t born then doesn’t mean you can feign ignorance. None of us lived during the WWI but your spoiled butt certainly enjoys the fruits of that war. Every time your kind goes after what is right and just, Western Civ slides back. When Orwell was warning us he was talking about your type.
December 29th, 2009 at 2:39 amListen “Bel”, Ireland will NEVER be at peace until it unites and England sinks into the sea. Any cease fire is a product of American influence, the details be damned. I can only imagine the crap that came out of your father’s mouth. I do believe that was a complete sentence.
December 29th, 2009 at 2:43 amLow Taxes and minimal government intrusion?
Like that bastion of freedom, Somalia? Yeah, great point…
I assume by your ’spoiled butt’ comment that you yourself have served in some capacity? Where was that, may I ask?
Your understanding of the internal politics of Vietnam is insane… who elected Diem President? That’s a trick question on two counts: He was appointed (1) premier (2) not president by Bao Dai and certainly did not speak for the people, sorry.
Need help with any more history?
December 29th, 2009 at 2:47 amThe Irish would disagree with you… and the English, sorry.
You have a very bizarre and inaccurate grasp of things like ‘reality’ and ‘facts.’
And complete sentence or not, I find it disturbing that you would like to imagine crap coming out of my father’s mouth.
Also- Ireland IS at peace.
December 29th, 2009 at 2:49 amDid you wanna kick me around some more?
Maybe you can make something up about the Romanov’s and Europe destabilization? Thrown in a little G.B. Shaw (a FABIAN! gasp!) and ‘My Fair Lady’ and we’ve got a hit ‘historical’ musical on our hands!!!
December 29th, 2009 at 2:52 amP.S. are you Michael Weiner?
December 29th, 2009 at 2:53 amPlus, Shaw wasn’t really Irish but claimed it all his life and got so good at it that now the Irish claim him, so there could be something to this musical!
We’ll need marionettes, I think… do you know anyone who really knows how to pull them strings, Jinx?
December 29th, 2009 at 2:59 amWithout taxes there would be no police force, no fire fighters, no ambulances, no military, no public schools, no clean water to drink, no monitoring food and drugs for safety, no safety regulations for cars and airplanes, no financial support for businesses and farmers and no entertainment venues or museums. Society would slowly fall apart. As long as they are reasonable on social issues and as long as taxes remain fair for the middle class, I am fine with it.
And less government intrusion. Is that why the right has spent the last decade gutting the Fourth Amendment protection against searches and seizures without a warrant? What about controlling who can marry who? What about anti-abortion laws?
December 29th, 2009 at 3:02 amI’ve never served. I’ve also never spit on a solider or supported politicians who actively worked against them. That’s being a traitor.
Low taxes and minimal government intrusion built this country. I’m sorry you don’t get that. You like to obsess over one detail and call yourself intelligent. I prefer to watch the Pentagon and White House to get my news. Whatever happens inside those walls is what matters.
You people have blood on your hands and they are dripping. Johnson agonized over the war and wanted victory for both himself the nation. Sicko hippies who wouldn’t bathe thought they knew better. The woman who cuts my hair is from Vietnam so I have a “street level” view of the situation. Talk to someone like her and they’ll say your kind abandoned them. Just like you’re trying to do in Iraq and Afghanistan. As in most examples, treachery defines the left.
December 29th, 2009 at 3:03 amWell, I knew a chemistry professor who escaped Vietnam after the fall of Saigon. I also know several Marines who served there (I’ve never spit on them, either!) including my Father’s friend who was on the roof of the embassy when Saigon fell and the helicopters were taking off… so I guess I could claim as much of a ’street level’ view of the conflict as you, huh?
I’ve never served in the military myself but I have worked and volunteered extensively in my community and continue to, but was curious as to how you thought you knew that I had a ’spoiled butt’
Also, you are the only one here who has proclaimed yourself intelligent… I’ve merely pointed out some of your inaccuracies, you’ve decided that makes me intelligent, I guess?
December 29th, 2009 at 3:11 amOh, thanks for the compliment, Jinx!
December 29th, 2009 at 3:12 amJinx,
1) My grandfather went insane because of Vietnam. When I was five, the anti-psychotics he was on had completely killed his kidneys. My family was unable to find him a donor. So don’t give me that crap about hating soldiers when I practically come from a military family.
2) The Sixteenth Amendment states otherwise. But sure if you want to lower taxes, tell me which services are you willing to provide for yourself (or alternatively and more directly, what the specific services the government should discontinue this to reduce your taxes by x amount.
December 29th, 2009 at 3:30 amRe: dbadass @ 397:
Not to mention lasagne, moussaka, and Guinness beef stew.
December 29th, 2009 at 3:42 amAre we going to start putting religious identification on passports, visas, drivers’ licenses? Isn’t that what the Nazi’s did so that it made it easier to isolate and eventually eliminate their ethnic targets? When are we going to say to these bozos you have lost all semblance of legality by the proposals you have made? The GOP is not a party of the American establishment and no longer part of American history but has become just another extremist cult which needs to be placed where it belongs, on the fringes, with only a minor voice in national affairs – like the LaRouchies.
December 29th, 2009 at 6:52 amGuess these clowns forget about Columbine, Virginia Tech, Oklahoma City, The DC Sniper; just to name a few.
December 29th, 2009 at 1:50 pmRep. Peter King (R-NY) says, “100 percent of the Islamic terrorists are Muslim…”
That is a LIE. The first terrorists in the Middle East were JEWISH TERRORISTS, the Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang. The father of Rahm Emanuel was in the Irgun, and they blew up the HQ of the British Mandate in Palestine, the King David Hotel in 1946, killing more than a hundred people.
Israelis TERRORIZED peaceful Palestinian Arabs, Christian and Muslim, into leaving their farms and homes, and bombed Gaza last year, killing over 1400 people: innocent men, women and children. Wasn’t THAT terrorism? Now, the Israelis have leafletted Gaza again, “warning” of another attack, in spite of the fact that people in Gaza have NOWHERE TO GO. Isn’t THAT terrorism?
There are also Basque and Irish terrorists, if you want to call them that, and people in other parts of the world that SOME people who are opposed to them call terrorists.
In fact, it is the Israelis who are the terrorists, and Mr. King’s assertion about Muslims is slanderous and a vicious lie that will create more hatred towards American in the Middle East.
December 29th, 2009 at 8:28 pm@ 441. bluesapphire48 …
You’re wrong, blue, the Israelis are not Islamic terrorists. Representative King, idiot that he is, speaks in tautologies, using profoundly circular reasoning. Rep King spoke of Islamic terrorists, not terrorists in general, or just generic terrorists. To be an Islamic terrorist, you do kind of need to be a Muslim, and for what it’s worth, there are Islamic terrorists. Whether they are better or worse than anyone else’s terrorists is another matter.
While the Israeli government and the IDF have been behaving badly, they’re not the topic of this thread. Even if they were, Irgun and Lehi (Stern Group) didn’t start the current mess; Jewish and Arab Palestinians were at each other’s throats on numerous occasions, years before the founding of Irgun, ca 1931, and Lehi (Stern Group), ca 1940.
December 30th, 2009 at 1:41 amTechnology people!! That’s what we need. Metal detectors are so 1950! My wife and I went through security in Houston or Dallas I think (we fly a lot)and they had this device that hit you with a quick blast of air and checked for any explosive residue. Freakin’ cool. No racism, no hate, no B.S. If there was a speck of explosive powder that device would have found it. We need to invest in science and technology. Not only will it greatly enhance the security of air travel, but it will bring our great nation back to it’s glory days of being on the cutting edge of the development and production of technology instead of just buying it from other countries.
December 30th, 2009 at 2:41 amJinx do you even REALIZE how stupid and brainwashed you are?
December 30th, 2009 at 7:25 am.
… And the Germans separated the Jews.
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December 31st, 2009 at 2:22 amhappy New Year guys
January 1st, 2010 at 4:55 am