Fox News Host Promotes Newt’s Call For Profiling: ‘Profile Them! What’s Wrong With That?’
Fox News Host Promotes Newt’s Call For Profiling: ‘Profile Them! What’s Wrong With That?’
Yesterday, Newt Gingrich joined the right wing’s hysteric attacks on President Obama regarding Nigerian Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab’s failed attempted to blow up a U.S. airliner over Detroit, calling for more “profiling” and “discrimination” and saying that the Obama administration is more interested in “protecting the rights of terrorists” than “protecting the lives of Americans.”
This morning on Fox News, Gingrich tried to clarify his comments. “We have to be prepared to profile based on behavior, not ethnic profiling, not racial profiling but look at people’s behavior,” he said. Later, host Alisyn Camerota signed on to and promoted Gingrich’s plan:
CAMEROTA: I haven’t heard a single person talking about any kind of racial profiling. It doesn’t say “Muslim” on a passport. [...] But anybody who travels all the time recognizes how ludicrous it is to frisk your grandmother. She’s not the risk. But somebody who’s let say been in Yemen in the past year. I’d say profile them. Profile them! What’s wrong with that?
Co-host Dave Briggs asked, “Should we body scan everyone at the airports?” “I’d say yes,” he said answering his own question, adding, “If it keeps me and my family safe, go ahead an invade their privacy.” Watch it:
Yesterday on NPR, even former Bush Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said profiling is a bad idea, calling it foolish, particularly in Abdulmutallab’s case:
CHERTOFF: I’m going to argue that this case illustrates the danger and the foolishness of profiling because people’s conception of what a potential terrorist looks like often doesn’t match reality. In this case we had a Nigerian, for example, not a person from the Middle East or from South Asia. If you look at the airline plot of 2006, two of the plotters were a married couple that were going to get on a plane with a young baby. The terrorists understand that the more they vary the kind of operative they use, the more likely they’re going to be able to exploit prejudices if we allow those prejudices to guide the way we conduct our investigation.
“I think it’s not only problematic from civil rights’ standpoint, but frankly,” Chertoff said, “I think it winds up not being terribly effective.”
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Can we start with the Gator’s of the world?
December 31st, 2009 at 3:33 pmI agree. We do need to profile. We need to profile white conservative teabagging hicks. They are the biggest threat to our society and our freedom.
December 31st, 2009 at 3:34 pmWell that should be Gators….
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091225/ap_on_re_us/us_hostage_situation_post_office
— We need to understand how white trash becomes radicalized….
December 31st, 2009 at 3:34 pmOff-topic –
In the true spirit of the Irrelevance in Broadcasting Network, I submit this obituary for the Head Gasbag who is now hospitalized for yet another drug overdose. This obit may be premature at this point but, mark my words, Limpballs’ days are numbered. I can’t claim total credit for it. After all, it is much the same as Limpballs’ own commentary about Senator Edward Kennedy on the occasion of his death:
“The self-proclaimed lead dog of right-wing radio rant-jockeys died today as a result of a life of drug-addiction and excess. Rush Limpballs was a popular opinion- and hate-monger to his brain-dead dittoheads who listened to his daily rant-fest. A total hypocrite for his entire life, Limpballs used to say that all drug addicts should be locked up — until his own drug addiction became public knowledge. Then he shut up about it which is understandable because he never recovered from his own addictions. Instead, he bragged about drinking ‘adult beverages’ and continued his illicit use of oxycontin until his dying day. Most reasonable people knew that he never recovered because he continued to be a grandiose, resentful, hate-filled, deceitful a**hole on his daily program right up to the end. Much as Tiger Woods’ fans, the dittoheads are mourning today because they have finally learned that their hero, Limpballs, was not the person that they thought he was. The thrice-married and divorced gasbag did finally succomb to his sexual predelictions later in life when he began taking frequent sex tourism trips to the Dominican Republic to diddle little boys. This became known when customs caught him with Viagra pills not prescribed for him upon his re-entry into the U.S. Limpballs was once called the ‘leader of the republican party’ — a once-popular but now defunct political group of tea-baggers and incompetents. Many feel that he killed it and this may be the only constructive legacy of his otherwise pathetic and meaningless existence.”
December 31st, 2009 at 3:34 pmThere are several things wrong with it. From a civil rights issue it turns Muslims into second class citizens. We didnt begin to profile white American Christians after McViegh. Also it is plainly stupid and ineffective. How are you going to profile Muslims? Blacks because of Central African Muslims? Semites because of Arab Muslims? South Asians because of Indonesian Muslims? It pretty much leaves only Native Americans and White people out of the mix. WAIT what about Serbian Muslims? Albanian Muslims I guess whites need to go into the mix too. It is another of those stupid rightwing ideas. One that doesnt really MAKE anyone safer just makes them FEEL good that they are attacking someones rights who doesnt look like them so they, in their cowardice, will FEEL safer
December 31st, 2009 at 3:35 pmDudes lame enough to call themselves “Buzz” ought to be kept an eye on as well…
December 31st, 2009 at 3:37 pmOne look at history for the past few hundred years or more clearly indicates that white men have been war-mongering, invading other people’s countries and killing those around them in far too large numbers to ignore. They cling together in groups promoting the supremacy of people of their skin color, and kill others who don’t look like they do….
Yep, profiling, great idea.
December 31st, 2009 at 3:38 pmIndeed we need to profile. Let’s begin with terrorist Newt for starters.
December 31st, 2009 at 3:39 pmAlisyn Camerota & Dave Briggs: We don’t “look” Muslim, so we don’t care.
December 31st, 2009 at 3:39 pmAlisyn Camerota & Dave Briggs: Our piss-soaked drawers overload the landfill.
December 31st, 2009 at 3:41 pmfolks.. seems you all vacated the other thread..
wanted to share this find
an article about a group after 9/11 that mass mailed anthrax to abortion clinics -
The hundreds of threatening letters sent to abortion clinics, believed to represent the largest group of such mailings, have jarred nerves at organizations that are accustomed to dealing with threats. Whereas previous threatening letters from the Army of God mentioned a subgroup called the Virginia Dare Chapter, recent anthrax threats have referred to the Virginia Dare Cell, a term sometimes used to refer to terrorist groups.
hopefully this isn’t the reason our parody troll chose that name.
December 31st, 2009 at 3:42 pmThe next one will come from Indonesia and we’ll miss it again because the guy will look Asian.
December 31st, 2009 at 3:43 pmSuburban spoiled brat kids named Bethany and Justin driving mommy and daddies Volvo frighten me as well. Let’s profile their silly over indulged dumb asses…
December 31st, 2009 at 3:44 pmThe emphasis is mine, but I think it’s the most telling part of the statement. This guy doesn’t want HIS privacy invaded, but it’s okay if we violate someone else’s for HIS sake. These people need to understand that you have to have a balance between freedom and security, and that balance is a lot more delicate and difficult to maintain than they want to admit.
December 31st, 2009 at 3:45 pmMany of the most heinous crimes in the world are consistently committed by white middle-aged men. If we’re going to start openly profile people, then white middle-aged men need to be kept away from women and children.
December 31st, 2009 at 3:45 pmAh yes, that good old Crusader mentality…”Kill them all! God will know his own.”
December 31st, 2009 at 3:47 pmNewter has something here – if we had started profiling with the Oaklahoma City Bombing – there wouldn’t be any right-wing nutjobs running around loose anymore!
December 31st, 2009 at 3:48 pmUh Newt, using your grandmother logic, you wouldn’t think a 6 month old in a stroller is a threat. Therefore you don’t search the stroller ? Would that be right ?
In that case, you’d be wrong as folks know that infants look innocents and like to hide things in strollers.
Any time you profile, you just let the bad guys know to hide their stuff in the cache that is “safe”.
If you use full body scanning, all they have to do is stick the C4 in their backside to get past the body scanners. In mid flight, go to the restroom, retrieve the C4, etc. (In fact, I can’t figure out why the shoe bomber and the underware bomber didn’t just light the stuff in a restroom on the periphery of the jet.)
And thinking of Oklahoma city, perhaps we should profile the blond-haired, blue-eyed ?
December 31st, 2009 at 3:49 pmThe conservatives are the dumbest un-American thugs this world has to offer. To want to give up rights for the sake of protection is actually cowardice. Conservatives are cowards.
December 31st, 2009 at 3:51 pmHere it is more than 8 years after the 9/11 attacks and the various agencies responsible for security still aren’t talking to one another. This shows that the Homeland Security Department is a bust. It was revealed that last year the Dutch were ordered not to body scan people bound for America. That is more than enough time to work out the issues with privacy and the need to have two lines for these body scans. One handled by females for female passengers and another handled by males for male passengers.
December 31st, 2009 at 3:53 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Yeah, and while we’re at it, we can profile the Tim McVeighs and the Eric Rudolfs also. They’re just as much a danger and they were born here.
December 31st, 2009 at 3:56 pmThese clowns don’t mean “Profile.” They mean harass and make travel and life inconvenient because they do not look like us. These are mean spirited and angry whites who simply do not want to accept that the majority of the world doesn’t look like them.
December 31st, 2009 at 3:57 pmDon’t forget to profile those John Birchers, Ku Kluxers, and especially the religious taliban murderers of doctors and anyone who wears teabags to hate rallies.
December 31st, 2009 at 3:57 pmThis is what they’re saying:
“In response to global terrorism, we should base our predictive models of possible attacks on our racial and religious prejudices.”
Sometimes the fact that they’re stupid is far more alarming than the fact that they’re evil.
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Mr.Duke says:
How do the police find criminals? They do a profile of the possible suspects.
Actually, not so much. First of all, racial profiling isn’t profiling. Secondly, demographic profiling doesn’t proactively find criminals, it only makes a guess about what they’ll be like to compare against whoever gets indicted for the crime. Thirdly, even the “hit rate” on whether or not that guess was accurate is historically very poor.
December 31st, 2009 at 3:58 pmyeah totally what’s wrong with that and hey how about making them where little tags that identify them as Muslim or Arab or maybe a special camp they could live at i mean what could possibly go wrong with that
December 31st, 2009 at 4:00 pmsarcasm aside don’t ever be lulled into this kind of talk
racism against one of us is racism against all of us
today it could be your neighbor tomorrow it will be you
They do a profile of the possible suspects.
So, since the possible suspects range from white through black and into brown, religion is Western Abrahamic, age is indeterminate then we should include…everyone?
Oh wait, no toddlers as yet nor octogenarians. Whew, that narrows the field considerably.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:00 pmThe good news about the white terrorists is that they are an aging and soon to be dying off group. I do not see the generation in their twenties as prejudiced and as war mongering as the ones they will replace.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:01 pmDallasNE says:
Here it is more than 8 years after the 9/11 attacks and the various agencies responsible for security still aren’t talking to one another. This shows that the Homeland Security Department is a bust.
December 31st, 2009 at 3:53 pm
A lot of the national security measures put in place by the Bush administration were done on the cheap, smoke and mirrors, in plain site.
Seeing Abu the foreign looking guy or an 89 year old Grandma getting frisked by airline security is an image which is suppose to make us believe our government is doing eveything to keep us safe.
In reality you are correct. 8 years after 9/11 and there are still walls up between the FBI, CIA and the NSA. But have no fear the colossal, mega department of homeland security will make us all safe and our country secure.
Again I repeat, done on the cheap, all image, smoke and mirrors…
December 31st, 2009 at 4:01 pmMr.Duke says:
How do the police find criminals? They do a profile of the possible suspects.
Only on “CSI Hicksvlle” Real police get an actual description of the subject, use evidence, etc. to find the suspect. And suspect means the person is suspected, not already convicted because the police are looking for him or her. idiot.
Rounding up the usual suspects and throwing them all in jail is illegal. idiot. Frisking people because they look like criminals, or gangbangers is illegal. idiot. But if that’s what you want, then fine. The only people in this country that are committing acts of terrorism are conservative white males. Have fun when the cops waterboard you…
December 31st, 2009 at 4:04 pmIdiots talking with idiots about other idiots.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:05 pmTim Mcviegh, Eric Rudolf, Jim Adkinson, Scott Roeder, that idiot from Pittsburg who shot the three policemen because President Obama was going to take away his gun….who else am I missing from the rightwing terrorist watchlist?
December 31st, 2009 at 4:06 pmeyeswideopen1 says:
Idiots talking with idiots about other idiots.
Thanks for the enlightened commentary, idiot.
PS, while your eyes are open, be sure to check for polyps…
December 31st, 2009 at 4:08 pm.
R E M E M B E R:
The Germans “profiled” the Jews…
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December 31st, 2009 at 4:08 pmMr Duke you are among the stupidest most brainwashed cretins I have ever seen. The only profiling the police do or should be doing the only kind that even makes SENSE is profiling actions not racial or religious profiling. No one I KNOW is against that. Pull your useless head out of your ass and at least TRY to make sense moron
December 31st, 2009 at 4:09 pmTypical knee jerk bullshit from Fox.
Instead of profiling people based on their religion or heritage out of fear. We should let the watch list be the ones that the securities throughout the world put the names on. Profiling is not the answer…intelligence is. I don’t want to see our country repeat the same mistakes we made in WWII with the Japanese internment camps.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:09 pmWhy do right-wingers hate the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the rule of law so much?
December 31st, 2009 at 4:09 pmElBruce says:
Why do right-wingers hate the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the rule of law so much?
December 31st, 2009 at 4:09 pm
They require thought, which frightens the right-wingers so…
December 31st, 2009 at 4:11 pmMr.Duke says:
How do the police find criminals? They do a profile of the possible suspects.
First of all, police find criminals AFTER a crime is committed. Second of all, police look at the evidence left behind and then look for who the criminal may be. It’s not profiling. Why do the right wing nuts believe television so much?
December 31st, 2009 at 4:11 pmElBruce says:
Why do right-wingers hate the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the rule of law so much?
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To be fair, right wingers only hate the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the rule of law ONLY when these three things get in the way of their agenda.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:13 pm.
Dear Mr Dupe,
They “profile” suspects based on… get this… the crime committed.
What crime are millions of people “suspected” of committing?
… Being born Muslim?
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December 31st, 2009 at 4:14 pmMaybe we should just stop letting people into the country. Put up signs that say ‘We have turned into a country of whining frightened sissies so just stay away.’
Just send money.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:14 pmchertoff talking pragmatism?
how long before “the movement” strips him of his epaulets and decoder ring?
December 31st, 2009 at 4:15 pmIt’s up to the individual to do their own profiling. I know I will. Anyone that I’m the least bit suspicious of on any flight will be pointed out to the flight crew.
Does anyone else see the direct contradiction in this?
December 31st, 2009 at 4:16 pmwho’s crying for protection?
who’s telling everyone they should fear for want of protection?
all the hissy i hear pitched about this shit comes from the right.
they use it to make money.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:17 pmAs far as footwear goes Slippers always seems sort of sissy to me. I think we got us a blowhard…
December 31st, 2009 at 4:17 pm.
Dear Bunny Slippers,
Then I too, should be allowed to “profile” you walking down the street and beat you up in FEAR that you might get me first, YES?
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December 31st, 2009 at 4:17 pmpack up your bb gun fuzz, and head on over to yemen.
do forget to write.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:17 pmHow do the police find criminals? They do a profile of the possible suspects.
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December 31st, 2009 at 4:19 pmSo I trust Mr Duke that you agree that angry gun toting white trash antigovernment types need to be profiled. I am correct am I not?
With some many feeling profiling is ok I wonder what these same people would think if Americans were profiled in other countries. Just think the Middle East and Asia could have profiling for a person with an American name, white blue eyes and etc. We saw what happen when the US profiled African Americans. I remember in New Jersey a State Trooper shot and killed several young men because they drove an nice SUV. Later they learned the young men were college students as one was a basketball player, one studing Religion and the others A students, not the profile of gang members as labled.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:19 pmFuzzy Slippers™ A Solid B+ says:
Maybe the lesson to be learned is that the GOVERNMENT can’t protect us.
Of course it can. If you don’t believe it should, then move to Somalia. If you hate our government, then you also hate the flag (which represents it) and the Constitution (which establishes it), and have no business being here. Or at least, if you’re going to hide behind America’s skirts anyways, then the least you could do is shut up and quit badmouthing it.
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Fuzzy Slippers™ A Solid B+ says:
It’s up to the individual to do their own profiling. I know I will.
Dude, you don’t need an excuse to justify being a racist. Just go ahead and be a racist. But quit trying to rationalize it to me.
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Fuzzy Slippers™ A Solid B+ says:
I’ll make it my personal mission to make anyone who even appears to be a problem as uncomfortable and squeamish as possible.
Sounds like you’re the problem, actually.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:19 pmMaybe the lesson to be learned is that the GOVERNMENT can’t protect us.
And maybe your government can’t but mine was doing a decent job until the Republicans got in the way. Big tough guy saying as soon as he sees something he doesn’t like he’s going to tell someone else to do something about it.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:23 pmCreeping Death says:
ElBruce says:
Why do right-wingers hate the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the rule of law so much?
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To be fair, right wingers only hate the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the rule of law ONLY when these three things get in the way of their agenda.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:13 pm
And won’t history show, if allowed, these 3 things DID get in the way of the Bush ad agenda like never before.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:25 pmThat’s the kind of profiling I support.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:26 pm–
You are still trying too hard faker…
And just why would a person with the name of a British citizen care who boarded a plane to the US?
December 31st, 2009 at 4:26 pmVirginia Dare,
December 31st, 2009 at 4:26 pmAnd what does this achieve? Nothing. Nobody is safer, there’s still the massive security issue (both domestic and international), and what has Saddam have to do with this incident? He’s been dead since 2006!
Whole body scans! Cavity search everyone!
Who’s not white, middle aged and a little paunchy.
Right.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:29 pmVD, betcha Rumsfeld wouldn’t spit on a pix of Sadaam. They were butt buddies in the 80’s, remember?
December 31st, 2009 at 4:30 pmOur latest parody troll thinks that a terrorist, bent on blowing up an airplane they are on would quibble about spitting on a picture? Heck, it has no problem pissing on the Constitution so what’s the big deal?
December 31st, 2009 at 4:30 pmGood Beefswallower. Good luck with that hopefully you will end up in jail or thrown off planes for being the ignorant bigoted jerk you are
December 31st, 2009 at 4:32 pmInterestingly enough, these clowns keep spewing that government has to take care of us by protecting us from Terrorists!!! But, have affordable and not for profit health insurance, a woman’s right to decide issues affecting her body, reasonable social security and medicare protection for the elderly??? Hell no!
These are just mean rich people who like to disenfranchise anyone who doesn’t look or think like them.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:32 pmFuzzy Slippers™ A Solid B+ says:
You make my point, the GERMAN GOVERNMENT “profiled” the Jews, not the majority of the German population.
The majority of the German population did indeed “profile” the Jews, in believing and spreading a variety of bigoted lies about them. Ditto in many other countries as well, including America. Antisemitism was not something that the Hitler regime invented and then foisted on the populace. It was already widely prevalent throughout the world and in Eastern Europe in particular. Hitler merely exploited existing prejudices.
I agree with your initial premise that government should not enact social bigotry into law. But you seem to think that there is nevertheless an appropriate place for bigotry, that it should be privatized or something. I maintain that bigotry should be opposed wherever it is found.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:33 pmI still like the idea of requiring everyone to fly naked. Takes care of all the screening problems. And if you resist, you must be a secret terrorist, hiding a desire to destroy.
Either that or you look really bad nekkid.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:34 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Virginia Dare
December 31st, 2009 at 4:36 pmWhat is it that you know about anything and where did you come by this info? See the thing is that I think you are a fraud. Are you a fraud Virginia?
Virginia Dare says:
I say put an open a picture of Saddam Hussein next to the entrance to the boarding ramp. Anyone who refuses to spit on it won’t be allowed on the plane. That’s the kind of profiling I support.
Every member of Al Qaeda would happily spit on that picture. He was a secular ruler of an Arab nation. They hated that guy almost as much as they hate us.
Seriously, the fact that you wingnuts are all horribly prejudiced bigots is of less concern to me than how utterly incompetent you all are. Your evil is one thing, but you are completely clueless as to what complete imbeciles you all are. You actually believe that your “opinions” on public policy have any merit? If our safety was left in the hands of people who think like you do – oh wait, it was.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:37 pmWhy is it that piss poor clownish posers amuse me?
December 31st, 2009 at 4:38 pmIf Obama was what the radical right wingers say he is, there would be profiling of the radical right wingers. This would be a paranoia feedback loop, where the demands of the radical right end up making them more paranoid. Actually they seem to have gone through a few loops of paranoia already.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:38 pmAre you asking me out on a date?
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December 31st, 2009 at 4:40 pmNo I think it is pretty clear that I am asking you if you are anything more than a buffoon…
ElBruce, our dear VD is a parody troll. Total fraud, total distraction. Just laugh at it.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:40 pmVD blathers:
“Get Abbdulah started on the subject of women, jews, pork chops or flying carpets and watch the steam come out his ears. Bingo! You’ve just caught yourself a terrorist.”
I’d like to see you say that face to face with my DBA buddy Rehan, a devout Muslim. He’d love to debate you on the subject of bigotry. He’s Pakistani, well educated, has a lovely wife and four kids.
Your simplistic stereotyping displays your woeful ignorance for all to see and pity.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:42 pmVirginia Dare says:
Way to stereotype and demonize the almost 1.82 billion muslims that live all around the world and in pretty much every country. So let me ask you, if there are muslims of every ethnicity and culture…how do you think we’re supposed to pick them out of the crowd? We can’t. That is why intelligence (including info from overseas) is needed.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:43 pmVD you are disgustingly stupid. STFU you are embarassing our entire species
December 31st, 2009 at 4:44 pmdb, why is it that some of the whackier trolls seem to be attracted to you? Think it might be some sort of repressed daddy figure thing?
December 31st, 2009 at 4:44 pmSomeone has watched way too many Sinbad movies.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:51 pmFirst lame and stupid thing:
“But somebody who’s let say been in Yemen in the past year. I’d say profile them. Profile them! What’s wrong with that?”
The bad guys and girls just move around the world…Are you going to stop everyone that has been in EVERY country? Don’t be stupid.
Second lame and stupid thing:
“Co-host Dave Briggs asked, snip, “If it keeps me and my family safe, go ahead an invade their privacy.”
Funny how you said “…invade THEIR privacy…” How about we invade YOUR privacy? Then let’s see how loud you squeal.
Chertoff:
“The terrorists understand that the more they vary the kind of operative they use, the more likely they’re going to be able to exploit prejudices if we allow those prejudices to guide the way we conduct our investigation.”
DUH! Now Mr. Chertoff if you can convince the Rushpubs, TeaBaggingHaters and other misc. crackpots, we will be getting someplace. Until then you have the High Drama Whining Limpdongs, DeMents, Mannitys, Blechs, Dickless StentHeart, Fake News, etc. spewing their racist hate.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:51 pmVirginia Dare
December 31st, 2009 at 4:53 pmAll this silly posing is an embarassment isn’t it. That is exactly why you hide it from family friends and coworkers isn’t it? Yu do have family and a job don’t you? I mean a bunch of other nasal inhalant and ointment obsessed dorks hanging around giggling online might be friends to you but not to normal people…
ah, here’s something for the TP crowd
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/12/29/rove/index.html
Karl Rove gets divorced. Again.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:54 pmyou’re a couple days behind the news, Al.
catch up first, then try to comment.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:55 pmdid the foxbot catch on that chertoff made a complete fool of him by laying it out like a grownup who knows wtf he’s talking about??
’cause i’m pretty sure none of their regular viewers caught it.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:56 pmThe logic of the Right is impeccable. They understand ideological adherence and are incapable of stepping outside it. Thus, they project their own lack, their own inability to come up with an original thought onto the rest of the world.
All the Islamo-terrorists are so dedicated to their theocratic insanity (just as the Right is) they are not capable of coming up with new ideas. Therefore if they keep looking in the same places (where they never could find the darn car keys) the terrorists will oblige them by being as blind in their thinking.
Quite simple, really.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:59 pmNo Beefswallower a conservative, at least one like YOU is a MORON too stupid to think for himself who spews the stupidity he was TOLD to think. How many people were MURDERED last year? Some of those criminals were also arrested but none of those murder victims were brought back to life so according to your incredibly stupid way of thinking it is IMPOSSIBLE for any government to do a decent job. Dont you get tired of constantly showing everyone how bone chillingly stupid you are?
December 31st, 2009 at 4:59 pmYou know, the fact that it’s difficult for most people to come to the United States is a big reason that we lost the Chicago 2012 Olympic bid. In the future, we can expect to see a lot more international expositions and conferences skipping the U.S. because of our xenophobic paranoia, which is going to further harm our economy.
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Alejandro says:
This whole thing is being used as an excuse to attack Yemen for our pals, the Saudis.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-12/29/content_12720296.htm
Wait, if Saudi Arabia and the United States are helping Yemen with their own rebel problem, that isn’t exactly the same thing as “being at war with Yemen.” That’s more like an international agreement to help with police enforcement.
Calling anti-terrorist activity “war” only serves to legitimize terrorism. The terrorists want to think they’re just one side in an actual war, rather than mere criminals. Apparently the wingnuts do too.
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bizarrobrain says:
So let me ask you, if there are muslims of every ethnicity and culture…how do you think we’re supposed to pick them out of the crowd? We can’t.
Good point here, Islam is by far the most multi-racial and multi-cultural religious movement in the world. You’re far more likely to guess that a white person is Christian and be right than you can guess that any race is a Muslim. Same thing with language or nationality.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:00 pm.
Dear Bunny Slippers,
Good Germans did what the Government told them to do.
YOU advocate profiling based on FEAR…
… Be THAT Good German, FOOL!
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December 31st, 2009 at 5:00 pmVirginia, Lets profile you. You are definitly a con who supports the repugs. You are angry because after giving birth to two kids you cant seem to lose all of that extra weight.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:01 pmSo your husband cheats on you because he doesn`t find you attractive anymore. So you come to TP to express your anger because your hubby`s girlfriend is a progressive.
I bet your hubby reads the NYT and when he`s done he wants to recycle, They wrap fish up in newspaper. At least when he has a paper in his hands he thinks of you. Can you comprehend what im saying? See Virginia, what im saying is childish, but thats what libs like me have to listen to all the time from you wingnuts.
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Dear Bunny Slippers,
December 31st, 2009 at 5:02 pmThen you disagree with Newt?
64. SWBob,
Great point.
And may I ask how many folks have died or been disabled in the last 8 years in the USA because of terrorist bombings -versus- how many died or disabled because of lack of insurance ?
And compare that to the USA expenses for anti-terrorism (including airport security, time lost, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan_ versus the amount of USA funds spent on insurance.
Looks like healthcare is where we’d get the most for our dollar.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:02 pmA Conservative is a Liberal that has been mugged
and then went whining to hide under their bed because the world wasn’t perfect.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:05 pmAlejandro and El Bruce,
to connect a few dots, some of the conspiracy crowd put Kuwait/Iraq under Bush I and Iraq under Bush II as helping out our Saudi pals (who pay the Bush family Business a handsome sum each year).
December 31st, 2009 at 5:05 pmAnd if a “new” Timothy McVeigh or a couple of kids in school with the mentality of the ones like those that did their shooting at Columbine prepare for their attacks, I suppose Newt wouldn’t have them checked out because they don’t look like a “terrorists” – right Newt?
December 31st, 2009 at 5:06 pm.
LOL Virgin Dare,
Did you finish counting how many states there are?
Have you figured out if Alaska has a handle on their International Relations?
Did (R)ush submit his long form?
Care to play Spin the Bottle?
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December 31st, 2009 at 5:06 pmNo, VD just gets a tingle about the golden showers line.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:08 pm.
Dear Virgin Dare,
I’ve been mugged and I still find the G(no)P and Conservatism UGLY!
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December 31st, 2009 at 5:08 pmElBruce says:
I was reading an article the other day about the women of the Chinese Islamic community and their role in that society. And I’ve seen profiling first hand. My friend Serek was verbally assaulted by some moron when we were in high school. Serek is of Maori heritage but he started getting some crap about being a terrorist.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:08 pmFuzzy Slippers™ A Solid B+ says:
Hoodathunk says:
And maybe your government can’t but mine was doing a decent job
You’ve obviously lead a charmed existence thunk. But ask the people killed in the 1st Trade Center bombing or the people blown up in the OK. Federal building or the unarmed soldiers and civilians at Fort Hood how well your Government (under democrat party control) protected them.
First of all, ScuzzyFlippers, there is no “democrat party”.
I am very curious to know how you would have “protected yourself” from Timothy McVeigh.
You live in a very simplistic world; there is no way of anyone, whether it be individual or corporation or government, to protect all of the people all of the time.
A good government, however, does its best to protect its citizens from attacks, putrefied food, hurricanes, fake doctors… the whole bit. Good luck doing that on your own.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:09 pmHooda,
December 31st, 2009 at 5:09 pmMy doctor told me that if it tingles, get tested.
Virginia Dare says
December 31st, 2009 at 4:23 pm
I say put an open a picture of Saddam Hussein next to the entrance to the boarding ramp. Anyone who refuses to spit on it won’t be allowed on the plane. That’s the kind of profiling I support.
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Either you’re a parody troll who’s finally getting better at it, or you’re more of a narrow-minded simpleton than I thought possible.
A terrorist — a REAL terrorist who’s bent on causing an act of violence once the plane is in the air — is going to do everything he can to get on the plane. He will blend in with all the other passengers as much as possible, and will do nothing out of the ordinary to attract attention to himself. If he’s asked to spit on a picture of Saddam Hussein, he’ll do it (and since Saddam was generally despised by Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups, that’s not asking a lot). Your “profiling” would accomplish nothing except to demonstrate your general stupidity.
Which brings us to another aspect of profiling. Terrorist groups can adapt remarkably well to any kind of profiling put in place. Profiling on the basis of Arabic sounding names? The next terrorist will be somebody from Indonesia. Or Malaysia. Or somebody named Richard Reid. Profiling on the basis of wearing “Muslim” clothing? The next terrorist will be wearing clothing he bought at Aeropostale. Profiling on the basis of skin color? The next terrorist will be as white as possible. No terrorist group is going to send anybody on a suicide mission who would likely be caught by a profile net.
This is why, instead of profiling people who fit a stereotype, extra scrutiny is given randomly. Being able to sail through security is never a sure thing, no matter who you are.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:10 pm104. lapdogs,
One thing that drives me nuts with the heightened security and issuing ID cards.
Columbine was an inside job – they’d have a valid ID card.
Va Tech was an inside job – they’d have a valid ID card.
The event in the last few weeks was a guy who graduated last year – he’d have an ID card.
In short, the security is full of sound and fury to make us feel good that we’ve done something. But as effective as “duck and cover” from the nuclear era or plastic and duct tape from Bush.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:10 pmFixed it.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:14 pmThere is only one sure way, 100%, guaranteed way to make sure you will be perfectly safe tomorrow.
Die today.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:14 pmVirginia Dare says:
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You liberal creeps chased Fuzzy away but you won’t get me!
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Make my day you irrlevant POS.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:15 pmChertoff had better watch his back after those comments. He’ll be making all those Repub/GOP/tea-bagging racists really, really ticked off.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:16 pmNope. It’s the GOP’s health care plan, haven’t you heard?
December 31st, 2009 at 5:18 pmWe had all the information we needed to the stop the last weeks attempted airline bombing. How would “profiling” gotten the CIA to share the information?
December 31st, 2009 at 5:19 pmVD
STFU you syphlitic brain damaged crackwhore
December 31st, 2009 at 5:19 pmChocolate milk isn’t particularly good for you.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:20 pmVD spews: “I’ve never been mugged”
To bad, you need to be.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:22 pmLevi,
December 31st, 2009 at 5:25 pmI read somewhere that drinking lots of chocolate milk can cause calcium kidney stones. Is that what you’re referring to? Or is it the sugar content?
You liberal creeps chased Fuzzy away but you won’t get me!
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December 31st, 2009 at 5:27 pmToo late. That shit happened way before noon…
BB,
It’s the calcium. I unfortunately know ;-(
Kidney stones rank up there with Appendicitis (in pain level)
Glad I have become lactose intollerant ;-)
December 31st, 2009 at 5:28 pmVD spews: “That’s a horrible thing to say. Just horrible”
Not when said to sh!tstains such as yourself. ;-)
December 31st, 2009 at 5:30 pmI’m all for profiling – if they can catch guys like Scott Roeder. People like him are WORSE than any Muslim ever born.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:32 pmVirginia Dare says:
Your lucky I’m an American and not an Islamo-terrorist.
Why? Have you already retrofitted your special Mormon underwear with some explosives?
December 31st, 2009 at 5:34 pmThere are several aspects of chocolate milk that can do you harm. First and foremost, milk has a high concentration of fat, and chocolate milk is not normally made with skim milk. Second, chocolate has a high sugar content and a high fat content. Chocolate also has been associated with all kinds of maladies from zits to liver and kidney problems, but I wouldn’t go so far as to blame it all on chocolate milk.
My point is that fascists like Virginia Dare think they know what is best for everyone else, when in fact they are wrong.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:36 pmVD
You are UNLUCKY that you are a pathetic trailertrash crackwhore and not a decent human being
December 31st, 2009 at 5:36 pma conservative is like a toddler who refuses to learn to share.
(and fears the boogey-man)
(and suffers from toilet-shame)
December 31st, 2009 at 5:36 pmBREAKING… All charges against Black Water dropped.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:39 pmChrist! VD is still here?
December 31st, 2009 at 5:39 pmrighty bad guys get away with everything.
because our country is owned outright.
by wicked old righties.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:40 pmLevi the Oracle says,
Oh okay. The zits thing is common with most forms of chocolate but I didn’t know about the liver damage. I guess it’s a good thing I only drink normal milk and get a large portion of my calcium from foods like broccoli, okra, almonds, soy beans, turnip greens, salmon and chickpeas.
VD if you wanna keep trolling TP, you should eat healthier.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:49 pmVirginia Dare says:
Your lucky I’m an American and not an Islamo-terrorist.
Sounds like a threat there, Internet Tough Guy. Are you sure you’re not a Christo-terrorist? In any case, your patent disrespect for the rights upon which America was founded clearly demonstrates you’re no American.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:51 pmI think if one of the regulars told virginai dare they’d take her out, she may leave.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:53 pmAny takers? dbadass?ralph?fred?
tony and lido
I say we start profiling nasty old white men who are Republicans and see how fast they start squealing.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:53 pmAre you sure you’re not a Christo-terrorist?
Just imagine what they would have to say if we started profiling them.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:54 pmCo-host Dave Briggs asked, “Should we body scan everyone at the airports?” “I’d say yes,” he said answering his own question, adding, “If it keeps me and my family safe, go ahead an invade their privacy.”
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I suspect that if terrorist acts on airplanes become more frequent, then body scans will become the norm.
When I was a kid, it was unheard of to go through a metal detector to get on an airplane (and if you want a laugh, rent the movie “Airport” — it was made before the metal detector era). However, the number of airplanes hijacked to Havana in the 1970s at gunpoint made it necessary to screen for weapons.
So what will happen when everybody gets x-rayed on their way to the plane? Some good things — not only will bombs and explosives concealed on someone’s person be revealed, but drug mules won’t be able to conceal their cargo, either. But the airline business will suffer overall as people decide that getting somewhere by airplane isn’t worth the invasion of their privacy (and yes — I consider any machine that can tell if I’m wearing a tampon or not to be invasive).
Business travelers, fortunately, will find their need for travel going down as technology allows them to conduct meetings remotely (as a bonus, this saves their company a ton of money, too). Leisure travelers will stick to vacation destinations they can get to by car. Or they will spring for chartering a small private jet for that special family trip. Commercial airlines will go bankrupt. Manufacturers of commercial aircraft will either go bust or they will retool themselves for the small jet trade.
Commercial air travel will still survive, but it will eventually become like Greyhound or Amtrak — a single company serving dwindling traffic, as private travel (or cyber travel) becomes the norm.
And the terrorists? They’ll find some other way to terrorize.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:56 pmP.D. says:
BREAKING… All charges against Black Water dropped.
I’m not surprised. It looks like the Bush Whitehouse did for Eric Prince what they did for Ted Stevens. They screwed the case up so badly a judge had to dismiss it. They had no choice but to file against the guards because the public was mad as hell. But, they screwed up the case badly knowing that a judge would be forced to dismiss the case.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:57 pm.
Dear Virgin Dare,
… Of course it’s not a horrible thing to say when YOU chide those who’ve been mugged as crassly as YOU did, YES?
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December 31st, 2009 at 6:00 pmTHat statement would have had more credibility had he said, “If it keeps me and my family safe, go ahead an invade OUR privacy.”
Anyone can support benefits to themselves when the inconveniences –the costs — are borne by others. It’s even easier for wingnuts when the “others” are dark-skinned.
I’d like to see some of these teabaggers and chickenhawks actually offer to be body-scanned themselves, or to go to Afghanistan as part of a “surge”.
December 31st, 2009 at 6:02 pm#135 P.D.
Well, since 9 eleven…
… Up is down,
… War is Peace,
… Surrender of Rights is Safety,
… Lying to Congress is excusable,
… Politicising the DOJ is expected,
… TORTURE is humane,
… Murder is contracted.
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December 31st, 2009 at 6:02 pmVD says: I’ve never been mugged.
I’m having a hard time deciding…is this a brag or a complaint?
December 31st, 2009 at 6:09 pmI think if one of the regulars told virginai dare they’d take her out, she may leave.
That’s just gross. But I’d have to vote for ralph. She seems like the type who would be more comfortable with quadrupeds.
December 31st, 2009 at 6:13 pmHoodathunk,
Aw…we can’t do that to Ralph…we’re supposed to be against cruel and unusual punishment, remember?
December 31st, 2009 at 6:18 pmwell, bizarrobrain I was kind going with the whole Catherine the Great thing that VD reminds me of and llamas can spit and…and…
Yeah, you’re right. Sorry, Ralph.
December 31st, 2009 at 6:24 pmOkay, I’ll do it.
Oh, Virginiaaaaa…… where are you my little sweetie pookins? How about we go out dancing for New Year’s Eve?
December 31st, 2009 at 6:25 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Hoodathunk,
Oh okay. I totally forgot about the urban myth that Catherine the Great was killed whilst having sexual relations with a horse. Totally ewww.
Seriously I wouldn’t wish either fates on anyone.
December 31st, 2009 at 6:29 pmIt will not work
December 31st, 2009 at 6:34 pmof course it won’t, freword. VD is neither a woman nor capable of responding to humor. But we can have fun.
December 31st, 2009 at 6:42 pm“THEM”
who’s them? US.
What a stupid man.
December 31st, 2009 at 6:43 pmNo really, in fact who is “them” according to “him”.
December 31st, 2009 at 6:44 pmI’m so very relieved that it appears the average mind is not so short sighted as this TV host’s.
December 31st, 2009 at 6:46 pmBut anybody who travels all the time recognizes how ludicrous it is to frisk your grandmother.
It obviously never crosses this man’s tiny mind that a grandmother could also be a suicide bomber.
I mean, what does a suicide bomber look like? Is it a man, a woman, young, old, Caucasian, MiddleEasterner? What?
Please, Mr. Camerota, inquiring minds want to know…
If it keeps me and my family safe, go ahead an invade their privacy.
Reichwingers are all too fond of exempting themselves of the draconian rules they advocate for everybody else.
Call it hypocrisy or double-standard, they just cannot help themselves.
December 31st, 2009 at 6:50 pmOT
Fellow TP’ers,
Have a Safe and Joyous New Year’s eve. Best wishes for all in 2010.
Cheers!
December 31st, 2009 at 6:52 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Happy New Years RandomChaos.
Alright I’m out of here for the night and it’s time to head home and celebrate that this year of stupidity is over :)
Happy New Years everyone!
December 31st, 2009 at 6:59 pmThis profiling question is one more example of the tendency of the right -wing to prefer emotionally satisfying measures over actually effective ones.
Profiling does no good if the traits screened for are independent of the actual behavior. In fact, it can even make the problem worse. Profiling for middle eastern muslims would not have caught this Nigerian man — which is one reason that terrorist networks are recruiting Africans for these jobs rather than Saudis or other Arabs. Profiling for muslim names is even less effective, since names can be easily changed or faked.
Yet our new militant friend, 2livejew, promotes these ineffective measures, and his tone suggests that he gets some emotional fulfillment out of this support.
What i get from that is that our friend is less concerned with actually controlling terrorism, and more concerned with punishing the people from which he assumes these terrorists spring, whether the people themselves have anything to do with the terrorists or not.
If you dig deep enough with these folks, it’s usually some form of punishment that is at the bottom of what they’re seeking. Which explains their infatuation with the Old Testament God.
December 31st, 2009 at 7:13 pmVery true, Ralph. The Right has shown they have no desire to solve problems. They could care less about finding the root causes of terrorism, they want to vent their frustrations. They want to feel justified and vindicated in their own shortcomings. They want to believe there are evil people who want to get them.
We are a pathetically Calvinistic society. We need to believe we are the best and we should be punished because we are.
December 31st, 2009 at 7:20 pmIf history shows us that a large majority of people who perform terrorist acts are from one group and very few are from another group, it makes sense to me to put more resources into screening the former and using only random screening and routine procedures on the others.
Or am I expectin too much common sense for an operation run by the government?
December 31st, 2009 at 7:20 pmThe one overriding factor to anything else is that the nigerian had ties to radical islam that would have been the first red flag this type of Profiling works great for isreal.
December 31st, 2009 at 7:25 pmIt makes sense, if the impulse to perform terrorist acts is dependent on the traits of that one group.
Terrorism obviously knows no racial or ethnic boundaries. You can profile middle eastern men, but then the terrorists will shift their recruiting efforts to non-middle-eastern men — Africans, in this case, and all the efforts you’ve put into profiling that one group will have been a big waste of time and resources, and it will have done is make it easier for the terrorists to bypass your screening process.
Sure, you can then — after the fact — start profiling the next ethnic group from which the terrorists draw candidates, and they’ll move on to the next. Asians, perhaps. The cycle continues until they start recruiting white Americans, like John Walker Lindh and you have to broaden your field one more time.
And at that point you will be forced to reverse course and narrow your profiling to personal history and behavioral traits, because all of your racial profiling has done nothing but expanded your pool of applicants.
So why not just start at that point?
December 31st, 2009 at 7:31 pmExactly.
That is a behavioral trait, an element of personal history.
It’s not racial in its focus. Racial profiling is a waste of time and counter-productive.
December 31st, 2009 at 7:33 pmIf we want to look at how to deal with terrorism, we only need to look as far as the British Isles. For years England and Ireland waged fratricidal war against each other. The answer wasn’t bombs, guns and death. It was learning how to talk to each other.
December 31st, 2009 at 7:34 pmWhite people love to profile, I should know im latino. They think im illegal even though im not even mexican, and my parents were both born on US soil.
December 31st, 2009 at 7:35 pm2livejew,
Right on! When my family’s life is on the line, I sure want the TSA to do whatever works, and not listen to the cockamamy arguments from some of these left wingnuts.
December 31st, 2009 at 7:38 pmlibertymatters invest in Depends and raise your bed so its easier to hide under it.
December 31st, 2009 at 7:40 pmWhile you’re all waiting for the crystal ball to drop in Times Sq., amuse yourself by a collection of 30 of the most epic studio portrait fails in the last half of the 20th century, with original captions.
December 31st, 2009 at 7:40 pmThis from a Bush appointee? Still, if anyone would know profiling is non-effective, I guess Chertoff would be the guy, because the Bush administration clearly did quite a lot of it …
December 31st, 2009 at 7:44 pmRalph,
We should continue to screen everyone, but do some extra on those whose actions, appearance, and/or personal history currently make them suspicious. It’s really a no-brainer.
December 31st, 2009 at 7:44 pmYou mean, cockamamy arguments like:
The terrorists understand that the more they vary the kind of operative they use, the more likely they’re going to be able to exploit prejudices if we allow those prejudices to guide the way we conduct our investigation.
That’s from noted “left wingnut” Michael Chertoff, by the way.
December 31st, 2009 at 7:46 pmIf you’re going to “screen everyone” then you’ve not got a very rigorous or discerning screening process, have you?
That’s what I’ve been saying. What you guys seem to be arguing for, on the other hand, is profiling by race and appearance, which is a waste of time and resources, and opens gaps ripe to be exploited by terrorists who can stay one step ahead of our race-based system.
December 31st, 2009 at 7:49 pmHudathunk
Ha ha! You’re brilliant!
Here’s a test for you:
December 31st, 2009 at 7:50 pmIf nine times out of ten, green apples give you a disease, and you can only test four apples for this disease, would you test green and red apples equally?
Great link, jurrasicpork. The captions were hysterical…
December 31st, 2009 at 7:52 pmSomeone Clearly dropped the ball, in letting this guy on the Plane without a second look.
Someone also dropped the ball , in letting a suicide bomber on to a CIA base in Afghanistan.
I’m waiting to see how Obama handles these situations. Will he get to the bottom of it, even if heads role…or will he try to sweep it under the rug, like Bush/Cheney did to cover their mistakes???
December 31st, 2009 at 7:57 pmI think I see your problem with reaching rational decisions. You don’t make them in a rational way.
You see, in the narrowly-described example you gave, the disease you made up seems to be dependent on the type of apple, as is the skin color of the fruit. The two characteristics are inextricably bound together.
In this situation, it makes sense to screen by appearance. If you start screening out disease-ridden green fruit, the apples are not going to decide for themselves to infect red ones in order to defeat your screening process.
Terrorist networks can do exactly that. You start screening out middle-eastern men, and the terrorist recognize it immediately. So they start recruiting sympathizers with a different look. Those operatives sail right through your screening process, because you’re not looking for them.
See how your analogy doesn’t work? It was probably emotionally satisfying for a few minutes, but it ultimately is not very useful in evaluating the problem intelligently.
December 31st, 2009 at 8:02 pmIf nine times out of ten, green apples give you a disease, and you can only test four apples for this disease, would you test green and red apples equally?
A first and snide reply would be I would quit eating apples.
A more considered response would be, why are you afraid of apples? Might not pears or oranges also be a problem? what about shrimp? Peanuts?
What I am saying is, don’t assume because you got sick after eating a green apple that all apples are the thing to be afraid of.
December 31st, 2009 at 8:07 pmLets do the Limbaugh test. If there is one overweight guy addicted to drugs shouldnt we profile all overweight males and suppose, for our safety, accuse and jail all overweight males, invade their privacy, until we can confirm they are not drug addicts that should be deported?
December 31st, 2009 at 8:08 pmYeah, me too.
Virginia… that’s a sexy name. Do you like long walks on the beach, Virginia? I do.
December 31st, 2009 at 8:08 pmThe moral of the story is dont eat unwashed apples from a cow pasture.
December 31st, 2009 at 8:09 pmBut do eat mushrooms that grow from cow pastures. Clean them first, then cut them up and put them on a pizza or in a taco and youll have a good time.
December 31st, 2009 at 8:12 pmHey, Cheech! No one’s buying your act.
December 31st, 2009 at 8:13 pmAnd since Limbaugh is known to be a drug addict and a conservative we should put overweight conservative on all overweight males passports? Shouldnt we perform cavity searches on all overweight conservative males before every flight that originates the US?
Why, if we can only test four ‘apples’ the first apple:
A1: Overweight
December 31st, 2009 at 8:14 pmA2: Conservative
A3: Divorced more than once [looking at you Newt, Rove]
A4: Back Pain
it reassures me about the bright, shiny future conservatism has in this great country of ours.
Perhaps among Older White Males…whose future is, shall we say, limited.
What about the “Other Americans”?? the Young, the non White, the Females…. who swept Obama into office, along with a Democratic Controlled house and Senate./??
December 31st, 2009 at 8:16 pmVirginia, you have nice breasts. I’m sorry… did I embarrass you? I didn’t mean to. It’s just that… I like green breasts. Especially when they’re perky like yours are.
We have a lot in common, don’t you think?
Virginia?
Do you like me?
December 31st, 2009 at 8:17 pm_ Yes
_ No
‘……Profile them’.
But who are ‘them’ here? !!
Someone will say the Terrorists…but logic suggests that if we know that they are terrorists…then we will apprehend them.
How can the government profile people who smoke illegal drugs..
How can one tell by looking at them..?
The other issue here is the legality of all of this.
How can you write in practice a law like that without discriminating against thousands of people.
Since Fox continue to scare people…then selling profiling becomes easier..just like the guy said :”It keeps me and my family safe…”…willing to trade freedom with fear.
What’s left for travellers…to take their clothes off and travel naked to be protected ?.
The act of the Nigerian kid could have been prevented earlier before he even got on the plane .
December 31st, 2009 at 8:18 pmIt was simple if someone payed attention to what his father was saying.
Ralph…COME ON? Cheech and chong? Can you stereotype anymore? I hate those movies.
December 31st, 2009 at 8:18 pmVirginia, don’t pay any attention to those other guys giggling over by the bleachers.
No, they didn’t put me up to this. I really think you’re cute. They’re just jealous, that’s all.
So what do you say? Wanna go for a ride in my truck? We can go get ice cream. Do you like ice cream?
Virginia?
December 31st, 2009 at 8:19 pmCheech, go away. I’m trying to make it with Virginia.
December 31st, 2009 at 8:20 pmWell, I just applied the ‘purity test’ of real conservatives to your bio…and you failed. Sorry. Now get out of the tent.
December 31st, 2009 at 8:20 pmNewt? Your out of the tent as well.
December 31st, 2009 at 8:21 pmSay is that a pearl necklace Virginia has on in that pic RTWL..oooo, ewww, my bad, just bird droppings. Get out of the tent!
December 31st, 2009 at 8:23 pmYes,we do need profile i guess
December 31st, 2009 at 8:28 pmHoodathuk–Okay, so logic isn’t you strong suit. Remember, your not allowed to change the rules in order to win…
Xisithrus – To date, no conservative talk show hosts have attempted to blow up a plane. On the other hand, nervous Muslims with only a small carry-on bag or a one-way ticket paid for in cash do deserve a second look at the airport checkin. (That doesn’t me that our current screening methods should not be exercised on the entire flying public.)
December 31st, 2009 at 8:30 pmWait. This guy Griggs wants people to body scan his family and himself. Thats not profiling. Thats scanning everyone.
Whats next Disneyland type safety bars that drop over your shoulders and lock you into your roller coaster type seats?
December 31st, 2009 at 8:36 pmDoesnt matter if they body scan everyone does it? We are all terrorists, until body scanned.
December 31st, 2009 at 8:40 pmYour a terrorist until you are body scanned Nigerian, Muslim, American, Cro-magnon… whatever.
December 31st, 2009 at 8:45 pmlibertymatters, what the hell are you babbling about?
December 31st, 2009 at 8:46 pmYou know what, Libertymatters, your not really for liberty if your idea of liberty is basically a police state. What the politicians are doing, using fear to get re-elected, enact legislation to protect you, is heading down the path of creating this super security appparatus that we will spend billions on only to look up one day and find out we didnt build a safe house, we built ourselves into a prison.
December 31st, 2009 at 8:49 pmTo date, no conservative talk show hosts have attempted to blow up a plane.
No, they prefer to convince someone else to do their dirty work.
December 31st, 2009 at 8:49 pmIf our politicians care so much for your life and health why dont they ban tobacco that kills thousands every year, they dont care about your health when they take money from that industry now do they? And Im to think these same folks really care about protectin poor little me? I call BS.
December 31st, 2009 at 8:52 pmWere all terrorists now and the DC cronys friend who builds and sells bodyscanners is thrilled and not because they will save any lives.
December 31st, 2009 at 8:55 pmRalph, thank you for one of the most entertaining and hilarious experiences I have had on TP. Happy New Year, you crazy quadruped.
December 31st, 2009 at 8:56 pmHell, if they really wanted to stop the use of aircraft by terrorists they would outlaw airlines. They wont do that because you know, they are too big to fail. And when they put in all these bodyscanners they will find ways to put PETN in luggage and then no one can carry luggage at all and then they will strap us into the empty baggage bins.
And then to keep us safe we must all be sedated and loaded onto the plane like cadavers because some politician will have a friends that sells sedatives.
Or they will use anti-aircraft missiles shot from the end of a runway and some politicians who has a friend that builds chaffe pods will make legislation that all airlines install chaffe pods.
It never ends.
December 31st, 2009 at 9:03 pmAnd then we must all be cryogenically frozen and shipped via vaccum tubes deep underground cause some politicians friend has found a way to drill these tubes and freeze us like Ted Williams head.
December 31st, 2009 at 9:07 pmI want to fly while frozen in carbonite like Han Solo.
December 31st, 2009 at 9:12 pmWere not the land of the free and the brave we have become the land of paranoid stupid sheople that think some yayhoo in DC running around in diapers can don a superman outfit and save your useless eater ass.
December 31st, 2009 at 9:13 pmLiberty “Doesn’t” Matter is an asshat of the repug variety, he is part of the problem, not part of the solution.
December 31st, 2009 at 9:15 pm2livejew says:
Ever since the isrealis started profiling muslims there has been 0 hijackings curious there has been no hijackings done by christians even though they are not screened.But i guess those isrealis are white trash teabagger rednecks oh and homophobic too!
Yes El Al does profile their passengers, but there are other reasons for the zero hijackings and here are some.
Undercover agents (sometimes referred to as sky marshals) carrying concealed firearms sit among the passengers on every international El Al flight. All El Al pilots are former Israeli Air Force pilots.
The cockpits in all El Al aircraft have double doors to prevent entry by unauthorized persons. A code is required to access the doors, and the second door will only be opened after the first has closed and the person has been identified by the Captain or First Officer. Furthermore, there are reinforced steel floors separating the passenger cabin from the baggage hold. This is intended to strengthen the plane in case of an explosion.
December 31st, 2009 at 9:15 pmHeh.
I want to be frozen like Austin Powers and let the Dr Evil government drill into my genitals and steal my mojo
December 31st, 2009 at 9:15 pmYou know what, I dont live in Israel. But I did know/worked with a guy, his dad was a retired Delta airlines pilot. He was a mechanic, like me, and a white male, like me, and he went and sabotaged the flight controls [Horizontal stabilizer cables] on three 727-200 series aircraft full of fuel. Luckily none crashed. So dont give me this crap that profiling only certain people will stop sabotage because it comes in many forms and not from any one religion or race.
December 31st, 2009 at 9:23 pmAnd sadly, the FauxSnooze-loving crowd will lap this nonsense upand look at FauxSnooze as a god, like they usually do.
December 31st, 2009 at 9:52 pm2livejew says:
Ever since the isrealis started profiling muslims there has been 0 hijackings
Citation, please?
Also, are you saying that every Muslim flying El Al gets searched? Because since that’s a significant percentage of the country and an overwhelming percentage of the region, I would think that would pretty much shut down air travel into and out of Israel. Such an extraordinary claim begs for another citation as well.
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2livejew says:
curious there has been no hijackings done by christians even though they are not screened.
Lots of Christians have hijacked planes. Welcome to reality.
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bizarrobrain says:
Oh okay. I totally forgot about the urban myth that Catherine the Great was killed whilst having sexual relations with a horse.
Actually that rumor was started because she tended to promote her boytoys to the position of Cavalry Marshal. Her dectractors just couldn’t handle the fact that she used her power in pretty much the way a man would if their positions were reversed (see Clinton, Bill).
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2livejew says:
Yes if the grandmother is a muslim or from a muslim country than i would be worried.
That is because you are a bigoted person. Whether or not a prejudiced coward like yourself “would be worried” is no rational basis upon which to base public policy.
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Virginia Dare says:
You know one of the reasons I enjoy visiting TP and saying hi to all of my friends here is because it reassures me about the bright, shiny future conservatism has in this great country of ours.
Me too. So I guess we have that in common. But if you see these items as demonstrating a “bright, shiny” future for conservatism, then I wholeheartedly recommend that you support such positions in the GOP party platforms and primaries in your local area. Get involved! And good luck with all that!
December 31st, 2009 at 10:01 pmReichwingers believe that terrorists should be profiled. Therefore, using Reichwinger logic, we need to start profiling anyone who is white, Xtian, and ultra-conservative.. Let them squeal once they realize that the tables have been turned on them..
December 31st, 2009 at 10:03 pmlibertymatters says:
To date, no conservative talk show hosts have attempted to blow up a plane.
I note that the circle of people you’re defending as innocent keeps shrinking. I could respond by saying that to date no Imams have personally attempted to blow up a plane. Your move.
December 31st, 2009 at 10:04 pmthank you….
December 31st, 2009 at 10:14 pmhairstyles
scene hairstyles
emo hairstyles
long hairstyles
short hairstyles
Oh Ohhh give me the emo style….
December 31st, 2009 at 10:15 pm222. ElBruce replying to libertymatters,
It may be true to say “no conservative talk show hosts have attempted to blow up a plane” How many acts of violence have been incited by the likes of Beck, Rush, et al. ???
It is just as true to say that no radical Imam has blown up a plane. For that matter, has OBL himself actually crashed a plane in the USA ? Or did he delgate the task ?
December 31st, 2009 at 10:35 pmSome years ago, I read a book from the public library. It was about a young Western man’s exploration of the ancient city of Timbuktu. The most salient thing that he noted was the local building of mosques by Arabian Whabbis. His observation, and critique this if you know more, is that the “outsiders” are promulgating a more fundamental, intolerant Islam through the means of their deep-oil pockets. They are building new spiffy mosques where before the local people relied on mud-brick and timber architecture and the local version of Islamic interpretation. And this sways people. This is a world-wide phenomenon. Leaving behind old local traditions to submit to a new glossy fundamentalism.
December 31st, 2009 at 10:51 pmThis is the root of Islamic intolerance. Note that Whaab(?) was an 18th century Saudi Arabian acetic, before it was Saudi Arabia (that was 20th c.)
SO! All I’m saying is: Take these events into perspective. Look beyond talking points. I have a good quote from Bill Moyers:
“News is what the powerful want to keep hidden. Everything else is propaganda.”
Now, go think.
Now, go think.
December 31st, 2009 at 10:57 pm–
Sure and what are you gonna do? Please say not another of those energy drinks….
AndyGra says:
This is a world-wide phenomenon. Leaving behind old local traditions to submit to a new glossy fundamentalism.
This is the root of Islamic intolerance.
And Christian intolerance, Jewish intolerance, etc… It’s a worldwide phenomenon, all right. And it’s not isolated to Islam either.
December 31st, 2009 at 11:50 pm“it reassures me about the bright, shiny future conservatism has in this great country of ours.”
My toilet bowl is bright and shiny every weekend after I clean it.
January 1st, 2010 at 12:38 amThe Republican party has a similar sheen.
dbadass, is that emo style or emu style?
January 1st, 2010 at 12:39 amThe second pix down on the emo hairstyling page actually asked to have his hair done like an emu. The butcher just misunderstood him.
January 1st, 2010 at 12:46 amOh, heck yes. Let’s profile. The Republipimps are really good at profiling. They can spot a crook or a terrorist in the middle of a Times Square crowd from a klick or two away. They’re so good at it that they nominated a couple of them for President and Sith Lord in 2000 and 2004.
January 1st, 2010 at 2:00 amAnd a Happy New Year to ya all….
January 1st, 2010 at 2:01 amhappy New Year guys
January 1st, 2010 at 4:38 amamerica is filled with enough caucasian whackos that could easily join al queda. i’d like to see what will happen to america then. imsho i think the republicans and cheney actually are members already. no other way to explain to their hell bent stance on taking down this presidency and destroying the country in return.
January 1st, 2010 at 7:15 amAnd sadly, this talking point was parroted to me by my loving dad, who also used this as yet another excuse to rant and rave about how “evil” liberals are “ruining our country” ( don’t even get him started on the economy unless you want to listen to a crazy person ranting and raving about the “wonderful” free market and how the “evil” administration is going to get rid of the free market system and replace it with the dreaded “socialism”). He also echoed LIEberman’s argument that we need to invade Yemen now, because it was Yemen that “allowed” the underwear bomber to live there and we need to attack Mecca in order to “teach the terrorists a lesson”, even though the terrorists could use said attack as a major rallying point. Yea, you can imagine what fun it is to have him visit for Christmas sometimes…
January 1st, 2010 at 7:42 pmOh yeah BTW, he also blames this attempted attack on Obama, saying that it’s Obama’s fault that we allowed Abdulmullatab to fly into the U.S. and that Obama being “soft on terrorists” (i.e., Obama isn’t bombing the heck out of their home countries like Bushieboy did).
January 1st, 2010 at 10:17 pmSpeaking of profiling, Presidents Lincoln and JFK where killed by… (fill the dots)
January 3rd, 2010 at 8:57 amI say we start profiling all the white males, between 25 and 45 and have them committed for not having a clue what is going on.
January 4th, 2010 at 12:26 pmThe most salient thing that he noted was the local building of mosques by Arabian Whabbis. His observation, and critique this if you know more, is that the “outsiders” are promulgating a more fundamental, intolerant Islam through the means of their deep-oil pockets. They are building new spiffy mosques where before the local people relied on mud-brick and timber architecture and the local version of Islamic interpretation. And this sways people. This is a world-wide phenomenon. Leaving behind old local traditions to submit to a new glossy fundamentalism.
January 5th, 2010 at 7:40 am