New basketball league open to whites only, to get away from the ‘street-ball’ played by ‘people of color.’
New basketball league open to whites only, to get away from the ‘street-ball’ played by ‘people of color.’
A new professional basketball league called the All-American Basketball Alliance (AABA) sent out a press release on Sunday saying that it intends to start its inaugural season in June, with teams in 12 U.S. cities. However, the AABA is different from other sports leagues because only players who are “natural born United States citizens with both parents of Caucasian race are eligible to play in the league.” AABA commissioner Don “Moose” Lewis insists that he’s not racist, but he just wants to get away from the “street-ball” played by “people of color” and back to “fundamental basketball.” Lewis cited the recent incidents of bad behavior by NBA players, implying that such actions would never happen with white players:
“There’s nothing hatred about what we’re doing,” he said. “I don’t hate anyone of color. But people of white, American-born citizens are in the minority now. Here’s a league for white players to play fundamental basketball, which they like.” [...]
He pointed out recent incidents in the NBA, including Gilbert Arenas’ indefinite suspension after bringing guns into the Washington Wizards locker room, as examples of fans’ dissatisfaction with the way current professional sports are run.
“Would you want to go to the game and worry about a player flipping you off or attacking you in the stands or grabbing their crotch?” he said. “That’s the culture today, and in a free country we should have the right to move ourselves in a better direction.”
The AABA is targeting Southern cities, but one proposed city — Augusta, GA — is opposed to the league. Several other cities have reportedly told Lewis to “stay out of town.” Watch a report by August tv station WJBF:
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Wow. What can I say? I never thought that in this day and age this would happen. What a bunch of racist dirt-bags.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:29 amThis is not going to get very far . .
Obviously STOOOPID doesn’t know we have ‘discrimination’ laws in the United States!!
January 20th, 2010 at 11:29 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
This has to be a farce. Please check this out further (and take down this entry) until this can be verified. I think people are being duped.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:30 amWhite boys can’t jump.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:31 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
SPERM! supports segregation and racism.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:33 amstorm(strom) stop pretending you’re not a racist.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:33 am@6, I guess you would like it if no attention is paid to something like this? I find it fascinating how you interpert this into a race-baiting issue when it is obviously discrimination. Not only that, but possibly illegal.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:35 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Why do I have the feeling that Don “Moose” Miller will have support from FOX & FRIENDS.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:35 amThis is barely news.
And sounds like the Onion managed to slip a story into the mainstream media.
Nonetheless…yeah, whites only basketball league is pretty damn racist. Particularly with the insinuation that those integrated basketball leagues are all about showboating and bad attitude.
Also,
Fundamentals? Man. That is going to be one soporific display of basketball.
Shoot. Pass. Line up another shot. Wave your arms to block a shot. Enforce the backcourt violations. Dribble twice. Shoot again.
*YAWN*
January 20th, 2010 at 11:36 amThis would be funny if it weren’t so pathetic. Kind of reminds me of the republican party.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:36 amAfter this league fails, he’ll no doubt be given a job at Faux.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:36 amThat was my first impression too, but I can’t find anything on The Onion similar to this “story”.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:38 amI’m sorry, you only have to watch old basketball footage to see how this will look. Why, they’ll have to bring back the set-shot! The dunk will be outlawed!
I quit watching the NBA when Michael Jordan retired.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:39 amWhat’s wrong with this league?
We already have a whites-only political party, the repiggies.
Very soon, we will have a whites-only electorate in this nation, as Jesus intended when he told George Washington to establish the holy United States of America.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:39 amAnd, it’ll be interesting to see how far they take that whole “Caucasian Race” thing.
Will they let Arabs play? How about Jews (Nazis, Klansmen, and the crackers that rely so heavily on the definition of white tend not to view Jews as fitting that definition…)? Or Persians, Turks, or the ethnicities found in Northern India? All are Caucasian.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:40 amNa, he’s not racist either is he storm(strom)?
Anyone watched a baseball game lately?
January 20th, 2010 at 11:41 amWell, the racists and the KKKers feel they have support in high places – and they do. When elected officials validate racism and bigotry should we be surprised that the misanthropes boldly come out of the closet?
January 20th, 2010 at 11:41 amThey will take us back to yesteryear of pre-1950; look for white only drinking fountains in your park.
Ennu@18, Yeah. How will they choose who is ‘Caucasian’ My God, we are so multicultural as a nation.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:42 amAABA is different from other sports leagues because only players who are “natural born United States citizens with both parents of Caucasian race are eligible to play in the league.”
Hey, knock yourselves out. Pour as much money into this venture as you possibly can — never give up!
January 20th, 2010 at 11:42 amWell, the Augusta Chronicle and a TV station are reporting on it, so that’s a good enough citation for TP to go by.
If true, it’ll last about a half an hour before getting swamped with lawsuits. Even if that weren’t the case, if people wanted to watch players playing “fundamental basketball” with no dunks, the WNBA would have much higher ratings.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:42 am@24, You are such an idiot.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:44 amRick Chandler at NBC Sports’ Out of Bounds blog says he “made a couple of calls to make sure this isn’t some sort of prank, and sadly, it’s indeed legit.”
January 20th, 2010 at 11:44 amOr hockey. A sport where 95% of the players are white, and you occasionally have players charged with assault. For incidents during a game.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:44 amHow cute. Kind of a special olympics for talentless white trash. As afraid of the rest of the world as this maybe he should just find a country where only people with two caucasian parents live like . . . o.k. I give up.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:44 amI think they should be allowed to proceed, and that the public should be allowed to ignore them, until they fold. Much like the short lived extreme football league.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:44 amLet’s see if any of the trolls can name a team in the NBA without any white players…
January 20th, 2010 at 11:45 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
because no white player ever flipped anyone off or grabbed their crotch,
and because bobby knight was always such a gentleman,
we are launching the American Klanball League.
American Klanball League : Because white american jocks should never have to feel inadequate.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:46 amIf you think a white only one is ok, why would you think a black only one is not ok?
You can’t have it both ways. There is no black only one at present so it’s a stupid thing to say.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:46 amCaucasian Race ? Sorry, there is no such thing, only the Human Race, with ethnic variations.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:47 amI guess WHITE sports stars have no criminal records? Pleeze. Check out the NFL.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:47 amNext, Storm and BluesRblahblah will claim that women’s-only Battered Women Shelters are sexist because they don’t allow men…
January 20th, 2010 at 11:47 ami see the mouthbreathers approve – ticket sales should be earth-shattering.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:47 amAnd hockey players never assault one another…
January 20th, 2010 at 11:47 amThis is stupid and you don’t even know why.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:48 amIt looks like this AABA has been around since 1977. So what I want to know is, was this idea voted on by the existing owners, or is this something the commissioner just thought up? If the former, they can expect to lose everything they own to discrimination suits, so that seems incredibly unlikely. If the latter, I don’t think he gets to decide that.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:48 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
This is stupid and I believe you do know why.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:48 amBasketball is soooo 20th century.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:48 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Independents are still independents the red blue scripted match is the same old same old with the same tired canards
January 20th, 2010 at 11:49 amDoes this mean Rush can buy a franchise now?
January 20th, 2010 at 11:49 amWTF? Is this for real? Good luck with this. I’m sure that dulling down the game by leaps and bounds will increase ratings by orders of magnitude. /snark
Side note – look at these idiots who think that a group representing minority rights is even remotely similar. Newsflash to you morons – the entirety of the rest of Congress is the Congressional White-Guy Caucus, genius.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:49 amThe globe trotters isnt a league. Hello.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:49 amfinally, a rag-tag group of white boys from the mean streets of suburban dallas will be able to show the world that they are not second-class citizens.
it is a miracle indeed, to live to see the day that a white man can count himself as an equal in the USA.
(hfs! – truth out-stranges fiction again)
January 20th, 2010 at 11:49 amHey, wasn’t Bill Laimbeer Caucasian? He was arguably the baddest of the Bad Boys, circa 1987-1990.
If all the “whites” played like Bill, it’d certainly differentiate itself from Street Ball.
More likely Street Brawl!
That said, if you look at all the old footage of pre-black basketball, it was boring as hell. Pass-pass-pass-layup.
And the grandmother underhand holding style of free throws was so exciting!
(By the way, I’m a huge Pistons fan, and love the Bad Boys! I affectionately labeled Laimbeer as Air Buffalo, because white men can’t jump, and he proved it!)
January 20th, 2010 at 11:50 amSo, in your feeble mind, the free market santions racism, that about it?
January 20th, 2010 at 11:51 amCongressional black caucus is NOT equivalent to a whites-only league. It is equivalent to a players’ association which looks out for and represents a particular segment of the whole. Conflating is a sign of ignorance or intentional fraud. You decide.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:51 amsanctions
January 20th, 2010 at 11:51 amhooray – it’ll be just like will ferrell in “Semi-Pro”!
comedy is awesome.
this league is destined to be bigger than the XFL!!!
January 20th, 2010 at 11:52 amDRIZZLE fails to realize the difference between a club created by a white guy that just happens to be predominantly black despite no rules against admitting white guys…
and a league created by white guys for the sole purpose of excluding non-white guys.
He fails to realize a lot, it seems.
*shakes head in pity*
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STORM says:
Luis Chapulin M says:
Next, Storm and BluesRblahblah will claim that women’s-only Battered Women Shelters are sexist because they don’t allow men…
Why are The Harlem Globetrotters not racist?
Ahem.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:53 am
well strom, you’re the one who claimed it was so the burden of proof is on you. I know you don’t understand how it works but you have to grow up and wear big boy pants someday.
So you’re saying there are no globe trotters that are not black? Really. See how stupid you look when you open your mouth?
January 20th, 2010 at 11:53 amWhy are The Harlem Globetrotters not racist?
Just because most of their members have been black doesn’t mean it’s a requirement, as evidenced by the non-black members that they have had over the years such as Bob Karstens in the 40s, Orlando Antigua in the late 90s.
This is easily determined through a simple Google search. I must, therefore, conclude that you didn’t bother because you KNEW the question was stupid, or you didn’t bother because YOU’RE stupid. Let’s take a vote on it, shall we?
January 20th, 2010 at 11:55 amSTORM says:
Why are The Harlem Globetrotters not racist?
Because they don’t forbid non-blacks to be Globetrotters.
Ass. Platter. Served!
January 20th, 2010 at 11:55 amUmmm hello?
Seth Franco!
’nuff said!
January 20th, 2010 at 11:55 amThis ‘Woe the poor White Man’ is getting tired. Reading some of the trolls posts, I conclude they are bitter, older white guys who have failed in life.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:55 ami’d take the Czech national team and 10 points over any of the teams this league plans to put together, every time.
those eastern european white guys don’t seem to have too much trouble handling the competition in the NBA – w/up w/that??
January 20th, 2010 at 11:56 amThis big thinker would take Canadians out of the NHL to keep it more “pure”. You can see all white basketball games at high schools and colleges. Very exciting. YAWN.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:56 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
We have a real contest going as to who is the bigger moron, DRIZZLE or Blues:
The PBBA is a non-profit organization that devotes a significant amount of time and effort to charity while not explicitly banning whites.
The AABA is a for-profit organization that devotes a significant amount of time and effort to slander “people of colour” while explicitly banning NON-whites.
I wonder if Blues can figure out why one is racist and one is not…
January 20th, 2010 at 11:58 amtombaker
I would think that the overwhelming prevalence of overweight white Americans probably has something to do with the increasing lack of white athletes in this country. I readily admit that this is pure speculation on my part…but it seems pretty reasonable, really.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:58 amrandy says:
randy, most of us are not saying this proposed league has no right to exist (I certainly think it does, based on the freedom of assembly). However, that does not make it the right thing to do. Are you supporting a “homoleague” (as in “homogenous”). Are you supportive of freedom of assembly and relationship for gays, i.e. gay marriage?
January 20th, 2010 at 11:58 amTORM – the ‘trotters really don’t have much to do with this story at all.
sorry lil buddy. you’re kinda missing the toilet again, and your mom’s getting really tired of cleaning up after you.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:59 amAhem.
Section 703(a) of the Civil Rights Act clearly and explicitly prohibits any employment relationship (including hiring and firing) on the basis of race. If they tried to go ahead with this, we presume the US Attorney’s office Civil Rights Division would be all over them in a new york minute. It’s a non-starter, so I wouldn’t waste too much time worrying about it.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:59 amDammit, everybody and their dog beat me to Bob Karstens & co.
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BluesRGoingRed says:
Looks like another desperate attempt to fan the flames of racism by amanda. Fail. It’s not “new.”
No?
the All-American Basketball Alliance (AABA) sent out a press release on Sunday
I’d call this piece of information “new.”
So what you’re saying is that various leagues and industries should feel free to announce that they will be going back to Jim Crow, but if anybody else reports what they did, then the people reporting on it are “fanning the flames of racism?”
To suggest that people should be allowed to get away with racism and avoid all criticism, much less legal consequences for it, is to support racism. Which is to say, you are a racist.
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STORM says:
Here is the 2010 Harlem Globetrotters Roster. Check it out for yourself.
What do you want, quotas? LOL.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:00 pmSTORM-
You’re a fcuking idiot. I’ll say it again, because you’re obviously too stupid to understand simple English the first time it’s presented to you:
Just because most of their players have been black doesn’t mean it’s a requirement. There have been several non-black Globetrotters over the years. Google Bob Karstens.
For that matter, Google Abe Saperstein and Bunny Leavitt, because they were white guys who played for the Globetrotters before Karstens did. In the 30s and 40s.
You pathetic idiot.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:00 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
New basketball league open to whites only, to get away from the ‘street-ball’ played by ‘people of color.’
– - Oh, isn’t that the Princeton University basketball team?
January 20th, 2010 at 12:00 pmOkay, how about we totally desegregate sports?
That means African-Americans included in golfing establishments reserved for only whites.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:01 pmCool, but how are they going to fit a full court into a trailer?
Dumb rednecks didn’t think this through.
Typical.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:01 pmWhat do you want, quotas?
That’s racist, though, remember? When we require a certain percentage of a group to be representative of minorities, it’s racist Affirmative Action. I suppose the reverse is true if the quota is for white guys, though.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:02 pmthe election of Bagger(no)Pants is about the same as staying at a holiday inn express – it doesn’t really make anyone an expert in all areas of human endeavor.
anybody got a straight pin? the giant balloon heads are making it hard to read anything…
January 20th, 2010 at 12:02 pmIs it cauasian only admission? I really don’t see any minority’s paying to see this.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:02 pmAnd Senator Elect Brown keeps bragging about how when President Obama called to congratulate him he challenged him to a game against he and his daughter. He believes he’s quite the basketball player, quite the celebrity and quite the comedian. What an a$$.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:03 pmSTORM says:
Here is the 2010 Harlem Globetrotters Roster. Check it out for yourself.
Let’s see… here’s someone who’s not black. And here’s another one.
Jeez. I used to think you could be an idiot, but you’ve gone and proven it beyond a doubt. Thank you for giving us the tools with which to prove it.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:03 pmThe white backlash is becoming palpable and it is appalling; but I was afraid it might happen. We have so South-Africanized our thinking (fear of majority rule by people of color) and our institutions (defunding and destroying public education when the majority become people of color) that it seemed predictable.
At the same time, we have glorified the fascist, kick-everyone-in-the behind behavior that one wonders if a mild mannered and intelligent person of any color can ever lead this nation again? The news goes to the know-nothings, and the want-to-know-nothings, of those in power who deem it immoral to aid those with less (Coe Christianity/C Street)–The Old South has survived in metastatic form.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:03 pmI thought you guys wanted to let competition rule. What do you want, white affirmitive action?
You are such a racist pig.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:04 pmAww…I think I huwt Stowms feewings.
ROFL!! What a pussy.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:05 pmsmidget. We have an obesity problem in America, but it isn’t limited to whites:
http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/trends.html
January 20th, 2010 at 12:05 pmI wonder how they’re going to properly test for this. Maybe a DNA test requiring 100% European genes? I bet less than 10% of the people in America would be eligible if that were the case. That’s before factoring in whether they can actually play basketball.
Maybe Lewis’ plan is to announce this, retract it, and then hope for higher ticket sales from Southern racists who “got the message?” That’s the only way I can imagine how this could work as a business decision.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:05 pm78. Backup,
Can’t otherwise compete..?
Steve Nash. Dirk Nowitzki. Pau Gasol. Manu Ginobli.
To say nothing of Larry Byrd.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:05 pmOk, lets do away with special interest groups, you up for that dumbass?
January 20th, 2010 at 12:06 pmSTROM and BlueBallsTurningRed,
January 20th, 2010 at 12:07 pmI agree with both of you. This should go forward and see what can become of it. Anyone should be able to do whatever they want. Let the free market decide. I have no need to argue the ethics or moralaty of this situation, let the market decide. I hope they go down in flames and it costs them a shitload of money, but I think they should go ahead.
AABA has been around since 1977
There was an AABA in 1977… they played something like 50 games and folded in 1978.
There is a new league ALSO called the AABA.
I’d call your understanding ‘flawed’
January 20th, 2010 at 12:09 pmHmmm… I thought tighty-righties were against affirmative action?
January 20th, 2010 at 12:10 pmOf course it’s not, backup.
It seems far more related to poverty, actually, which is a fairly easy explanation to the higher prevalence in black adults than it white adults. I suppose it just seems like it’s white people because whites make up such a huge majority in this country that you are far more likely to see a fat white ass than you are a fat non-white ass.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:10 pmKind of funny that Drizzle thinks an exhibition team formed when every major professional sports league in the country was officially or defacto segregated is racist because most of its players have been black. Does this mean the old Negro Leagues formed during baseball’s segregated era were racist? They were after all filled with black players.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:10 pmSTORM?
Olby Sucks?
randy?
Backup?
Would you pay money to watch an AABA game and admit to it?
January 20th, 2010 at 12:11 pmMaybe our regressive friend was referring to the acronym “AABA”?
That’s certainly been around since 1977.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:11 pmThis is too funny. Crackers can’t compete so they want to take their ball and go home; start a cracker league. What’s next? A football league that doesn’t allow Samoans?
January 20th, 2010 at 12:13 pmEnnuiDivine. I don’t know anything about basketball. But, over 80% of NBA players are black. When you consider that blacks make up only 15% of the population, I don’t see how anyone could make the argument that whites (or any other race for that matter) could be considered competitive.
The reality is that blacks dominate basketball.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:13 pmNow if this was an all albino basketball league, that would be one thing.
But to exclude non caucasions is flat out racist.
I’ve seen more jungle ball in all white rec centers than the street ball in inner cities, which I’ve also seen plenty of.
I think it’s the (excuse the term, used for emphasis only) ‘jungle bunnies’ as opposed to the jungle ball that the exclusion applies to.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:14 pmPurple State: “Would you pay money to watch an AABA game and admit to it?”
I’ll tell you what I would pay good money to see. A cracker-league team playing any WBA team. Great fun watching those WBA women bang the boards and dunk on frustrated male crackers.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:14 pmAnd yet you’ll comment anyway.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:14 pmI hear George Bush is looking into buying a team for Dallas Tx. He’s trying to copywrite the team name as the Dallas Flaming Crosses.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:15 pmbelaccifer lacca
I’d call your understanding ‘flawed’
I’d call your assessment of his understand “generous.” The only way he could have pulled the 1977 date out was to Google it, meaning he had to intentionally ignore the rest of the blurb in wikipedia (the first Google hit that covers the previous AABA), which reads as follows:
“The All-American Basketball Alliance was formed in 1977, with the intention of competing with the established Continental Basketball Association as the premier basketball minor league in the United States. Eight teams competed in the only season of the AABA, which consisted of forty games and ran from 6 January 1978 until 2 February 1978.”
You call his understanding “flawed.” I call it “lying.”
But to each his own, I suppose.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:15 pmMy only other question…
Will all the white guys wear super short shorts ala 1960 – 1970 NBA?
January 20th, 2010 at 12:15 pmpaleolib says:
How cute. Kind of a special olympics for talentless white trash.
DRxJ says:
I affectionately labeled Laimbeer as Air Buffalo, because white men can’t jump, and he proved it!
Shayne says:
This big thinker would take Canadians out of the NHL to keep it more “pure”.
You guys are killing me today. Keep it up :)
January 20th, 2010 at 12:16 pmPurple State. I think the idea to have a ‘white only’ anything is ridiculous.
I appreciate those with the best abilities without regard to race.
Conversely, I don’t support the idea of any type of racial segregation. To include black only.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:17 pmAnd the announcement of their new marketing kickoff gimmick:
A box of saltines with every paid admission.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:17 pmAnd a button with a red slash through a Davy Crockett hat.
The same guy who is promoting this all white league is also pushing for an all white non retarded team to compete in the special olympics. Why should a team of handicapped people get special treatment when his all white team might have a chance at a bronze medal.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:18 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
backup: “The reality is that blacks dominate basketball.”
Right. Because on average, they tend to be better athletes. People, this is sports. This is the ultimate show me forum. In the NBA, you can be a fricking albino and start if you can play up to the standard. It doesn’t matter where you’re from or what you look like.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:20 pmIf they don’t offer $3 tickets, dollar beers and naked dancers at halftime the white trash won’t even show up.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:21 pmLet’s just look at that cappy. Why is that exactly?
Does it have anything to do with racism?
Were blacks bred like animals for 250 years until they became nothing resembling the black slaves first imported to America?
January 20th, 2010 at 12:24 pmI don’t know anything about basketball.
That’s really obvious.
I don’t see how anyone could make the argument that whites (or any other race for that matter) could be considered competitive.
They make up 20% of the league.
Look – sports are not populated by people of a specific race, they are populated by people with a specific set of skills and talents. When it comes to basketball players, it seems that blacks have a natural tendency to be better equipped for the game – they tend to be faster runners and higher jumpers. Not always, of course, and there are plenty of white players who have done very well for themselves. But whether you like it or not, that’s just the way it is.
It’s not just basketball. Almost any sport that requires quickness and agility is dominated by black players.
In your original post regarding black-only organizations and the justification for their existence, your reasoning was good. But you lost it entirely when you got to basketball being black-dominated because you forgot the crux of the original purpose of black-only organizations – our society has routinely shut the door to non-whites for centuries. No one is shutting white people out of the system. Comparing the two is a false equivalence.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:24 pmHere’s an interesting thought experiment:
what do you guys think it would take for a news story like this to draw the condemnation of our trolls?
Consider that they’ve defended:
torture
massive bonuses to Wall Street
rape
and now, a basketball league restricted on the basis of race.
What exactly is beyond the pale for this crew? And b-cup doesn’t count, because he’ll always condemn something as long as he can throw in a “but” at the end of it.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:24 pmI dig black music. It’s the mainstay of my itunes library.
But, click on my link to the Black Entertainment Awards and try to imagine how enlightened or acceptable you would consider them if the name was changed to the White Entertainment Awards and the black faces were replaced with white:
http://www.bet.com/specials/betawards09
Segregation is wrong. As ridiculous as this guy is for suggesting a ‘white only’ basketball league; we will look back at ‘black only’ events and organizations with the same kind of puzzlement.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:24 pmjwest: “Leave it to Amanda to dredge up a decade old oddity in the hope that some race baiting would take your minds off of the devastating election loss.”
Yeah, thanks, it helps ease the pain to laugh a little. The idea of a cracker league reminds me of an old SNL skit. Hilarious.
But on that loss – it’s a two-year term, blacks didn’t get out to vote and the next time Senator Brown runs for re-election, President Obama will be on the ticket. Plus, Dems still have 57 seats for a 16-vote margin. Repubs got a lot done with just 53. So, I wouldn’t do too wild a touchdown dance if I were you. But, really, a stunning win – it must feel real good to be a conservative today.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:25 pmIt seems that “Moose” wanted to launch this league sooner, but he had to delay it due to the 9/11 attack.
So what? I don’t give a damn what he wanted to but didn’t. Neither does anyone else.
Leave it to Amanda to dredge up a decade old oddity
That was reported on in yesterdays Augusta Chronicle.
http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/2010/01/19/nba_563760.shtml
You don’t even try to not be an idiot, do you, jwest?
January 20th, 2010 at 12:27 pmTaguba says:
I hear George Bush is looking into buying a team for Dallas Tx. He’s trying to copywrite the team name as the Dallas Flaming Crosses.
I doubt there will be teams in Dallas, Atlanta or New Orleans. The franchises will likely be in Tupelo, Chattanooga, Anniston and Odessa.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:28 pmjwest, backedup, strom, blueblahblah,
pants on the ground!
pants on the ground!
pants on the ground!
pants on the ground!
January 20th, 2010 at 12:28 pmi can’t wait to see the USA White Guy Track and Field World Championships.
i’ll be sitting in the stands with the jamaican and kenyan teams, laughing my ass off.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:29 pmSo you want affirmative action for white basketball players? The owners would love to have white players on the court to sell more tickets to the cracker crowd. Unfortunately nobody wants to watch players with less talent.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:29 pmswellheads and pointy hats,
…just like a jack in the box ad.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:30 pmOdd, being a racist doesn’t bother you but calling somone out for their racism sends up a red flag.
Racists don’t know you are racists. We have to tell you.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:31 pmBut, click on my link to the Black Entertainment Awards and try to imagine how enlightened or acceptable you would consider them if the name was changed to the White Entertainment Awards and the black faces were replaced with white:
Every other channel on television is White Entertainment Television, and every other award show is White Entertainment Awards.
I know you’re trying here, but you really seem to not understand the point. This is like people getting up in arms about Black History month, like every other month isn’t WHITE History Month. The majority get everything BECAUSE they’re the majority. They don’t need their own special interest groups, because they are in control. Do you really not get it?
January 20th, 2010 at 12:31 pmbackups new name = ‘but’
butt?
buttup?
January 20th, 2010 at 12:33 pmGee, b-cup, you’re so… open-minded. And multicultural. Good for you.
We will certainly look back on those institutions with puzzlement if we let “well-meaning” (cough cough) folks like you convince us that they was never a good reason for them.
As someone mentioned above, do you look back on the Negro Baseball Leagues with “puzzlement”?
January 20th, 2010 at 12:35 pmI wonder which franchise will snag the name Teabaggers.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:35 pmwhatup, buttup?
January 20th, 2010 at 12:37 pmb-cup has a real cognitive block when it comes to discrimination and efforts to overcome its effects.
He has never been able to understand the difference between an oppressed minority celebrating its culture, and a powerful majority doing the same thing.
That whole power-structure thing is totally lost on him.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:38 pmNinerfan. I agree. If the NBA were 100% black, because all the best basketball players happen to be black; that’s the way it should be.
There should be no consideration of artificially imposing other races on the NBA out of a desire for diversity. The best should play.
The problem I feel is that sentiment that we agree on in regards to basketball, doesn’t seem to be applied universally.
If we understand that’s how it should be for basketball, why don’t we see it when it comes to quotas championed in other areas? Business, education, etc.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:39 pmWhat the hell is black music?
I had the pure pleasure of meeting & playing with some of the greatest blues musicians that ever lived. All of them happened to be black, but they PLAYED the blues.
whatup, buttup?
January 20th, 2010 at 12:40 pmto get away from the “street-ball” played by “people of color”
Is this the same reason used by country clubs to keep minorities off the golf course?
Yeah, the GOP is right. Race relations are doing just fine in the US.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:41 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
So it’s “street ball”, is it? I’ll lay ten to one the “street ballers” would kick these clowns asses.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:41 pm(I hope my sarcasm was obvious in my above comment.)
January 20th, 2010 at 12:42 pmHere’s a league for white players to play fundamental basketball, which they like.
Does this line remind anyone else of the pro-WNBA arguments? “They have good fundamentals.”
Yeah..but as a woman, allow me to say – Fundamentals or not..women’s basketball sucks a big one.
White-only basketball seems very likely to suck an equally big one.
But that’s just my opinion on it.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:43 pmralph. I concede that I don’t get it.
Maybe it’s too subtle or nuanced for me. But, you what you are telling me is that some forms of racial segregation are appropriate and some are not.
I don’t believe that. I believe that despite the difference of our skin colors, we are all the same.
If it’s wrong for this guy to try to segregate his basketball league, it’s wrong for people of other races to segregate their activities.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:44 pmThis guy says that white men are minority in this game..
Well,may be this is because they can’t jump…!!
Remember the 1992 movie- ‘White Men Can’t Jump’.
This guy also falsely claims that ‘Players flipping you or attacking you in the stand’…
A big lie.
I watch NBA games a lot..and that’s a big lie.
Players don’t attack people in the stand.
May be this guy’s new league will be selling KKK season’s tickets with white cone-shaped hoods to white buyers only.
And behind the arena there will be a shop where this league will be selling guns ‘on special’ to white season ticket holders.
This guy says he is not against colored people…
Give me a break !!!
January 20th, 2010 at 12:46 pmwhy don’t we see it when it comes to quotas championed in other areas?
You’re still not getting it. You’re also stuck to this “quota” thing, when really what people want is not a required number of minorities on the payroll, but rather a level playing field in which color doesn’t matter. Unfortunately, it does still matter to a lot of people.
You seem to be under the impression that this isn’t the world we live in….I’d like to know what planet you’re on, because it sure as shit isn’t this one.
Your idea is a good one…but it doesn’t hold up to reality. Forgive the unintentional pun, but reality just simply isn’t as black and white as you try to make it.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:47 pmI honestly thought Americans had progressed beyond this type of shit. I guess I was wrong.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:48 pmAnd what about Slick Willy? “a few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee…” talking about PresBO.
Don’t even get me started on how much of a bigot Jimmy Carter is. Sheesh!
January 20th, 2010 at 12:48 pmZimzone. I didn’t just make it up. Here’s a wikipedia for starters:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_music
January 20th, 2010 at 12:48 pmIf it’s wrong for this guy to try to segregate his basketball league, it’s wrong for people of other races to segregate their activities.
Still stuck on the “right or wrong” “black or white” thing.
It’s wrong for this guy to try to segregate his basketball league because he is attempting to open it only to the all-powerful majority while shutting out anyone else purely because of non-white status. In addition, the players have to have two white parents. They can’t be of mixed race. Find me a black-only organization that wouldn’t accept someone who’s half-white, and maybe you’ll have a point.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:50 pmb-cup, you seem to have a moderate reserve of intelligence. I just don’t understand why you have such a block with certain concepts.
Basketball — sports in general — is a field in which performance is easily measured. If your field goal percentage sucks, or if the guy you’re guarding regularly exceeds his scoring average, you’re gone.
Business and education aren’t like that. They should be, but they’re not. Mediocrity has a much easier time disguising itself in a boardroom or a classroom, where few of ones superiors may be paying attention. There is no place to hide on basketball court.
Further, there is the considerable factor of opportunity. Basketball is a sport that attracts underprivileged kids because it is simple to play and requires minimal equipment. Every schoolyard in America has an outdoor court.
Conversely, there are very very few blacks in the top ranks of sports like tennis, golf and swimming, where young talent develops behind the walls of expensive clubs.
Likewise with business and education. Poor facilities and narrower opportunities are steep barriers to the kind of success that suburban kids take for granted. And let’s not even get into legacy admissions at universities and the kind of contacts in business those opportunities provide.
it would be wonderful if we had a society that was a true meritocracy. But it’s not. If it were, George W. Bush would have wound up selling used cars instead spending eight years as the President of the United States.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:51 pmI honestly thought Americans had progressed beyond this type of shit.
Most of us have. Unfortunately, there are idiots in every bunch.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:51 pmI think this league will do very well….
South of the Manson-Nixon line, anyway.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:54 pmAnd what about Slick Willy? “a few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee…” talking about PresBO.
Why does everyone assume this is a racist comment? Am I really the only one in the freaking country who heard that statement and immediately though “He’s right….gosh we’ve come a long way”?
WTF?
And Jimmy Carter? You can’t be serious.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:56 pm(sigh) one more time… President Clinton was remarking about the distance our society has come, that a man who a couple of generations ago woudl have been restricted to menial service jobs has risen to become the President.
Had he said that Barack Obama should have been getting them coffee, that would have been racist. And coincidentally, I think i saw a sign at a teabagger rally that said something very close to that.
And JImmy Carter is a bigot? That’s just stupid.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:57 pmAnd in case you haven’t noticed those houses carter builds are for WHITES only.
So I know you’re a faker but I couldn’t let this one go by…
http://www.habitat.org/how/carter.aspx
Yeah, totally ‘whites only’… even faking it isn’t funny, iggy.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:58 pmStuban #148 re:
Say what you want about B. Clinton, in my opinion he was the best Republican President since Ike. But calling Jimmy Carter a biggot is fighting words for me.
Give me one example of Carter being a biggot.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:58 pmIggy,
You’re being insensitive.
A few years ago, these black players would be getting us coffee. And most of them don’t speak with a Negro dialect.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:58 pmWe’re gonna need some backup or that statement. It sounds completely pulled out of your ass to me.
January 20th, 2010 at 12:58 pmHere’s some of the teams you will see:
Phoenix Peckerwoods
LA Losers
Tucson Teabagges
Washington DC Grand Wizards
Knoxville Klansmen
Nashville Nooses
Houston Hoods
Raleigh Racists
Washington White Shadows
Memphis Marauders
Texas Toothless
Grand Rapids Ghosts
Chicago Chumps
January 20th, 2010 at 12:59 pmGood catch, belac. I hadn’t seen iggy’s first comment so I didn’t realize how utterly cartoonish this one is.
Not worth the time.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:01 pmsmidget. First of all. I dig your ‘black and white’ pun.
Secondly. I concede to you (and ralph) there is an issue with leveling the playing field.
If minorities are excluded from participating unfairly by bigots that want to maintain a status quo, I see the benefit of the quotas to rectify that situation.
But, I think there is a subjectivity in that determination. If a white person succeeds over a black person, how do we know whether that success is due to white bigotry of the system or better aptitude or ability of the white candidate?
Nobody assumes that Oprah Winfrey, President Obama, Tiger Woods, Michael Jackson, or Will Smith achieved because they were black.
But, there is a cloud over similar white people. Are they successful because they are white? That determination may often times be subjective.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:05 pmThe high school team from harlem beats the AABA champions 108 to 43.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:05 pmOh yea! A new basketball league composed on “only whites” that are not capable of competing at the NBA level of competence. Now why would anyone spend time / money to watch mediocre BB?
The financial backers need to be highlighted so the “good ol boys” can see who they are paying for the privilege of watching college+ basketball at Pro-ball prices.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:09 pmbackup: “If we understand that’s how it should be for basketball, why don’t we see it when it comes to quotas championed in other areas? Business, education, etc.”
Good question. Sports is not complex; very straight-forward. If you can play, you play.
Business and education are much more complicated. The process of deciding who’s the best marketing analyst or the best purchasing agent is much more subjective. And, when you add history to it, subjectivity is a real problem. If people of color have historically been denied equal opportunity in business and/or education, some of us feel it is entirely proper to give them an extra hand-up to counter in some small way the institutional racism that hindered their opportunities in the first place. It’s just common fairness.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:10 pmiggy wants a golden shower from rush.
then he’s going teabagging with scott brown.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:10 pmpatrick5 says:
Since you’re going to post off-topic drivel anyway, patrick.
Any word on that fabulous WW2 command economy, patrick?
The ‘Black Market’ and its economic advantages?
Thanks!
January 20th, 2010 at 1:12 pmJwest and “iggy”: It’s hard to know if you two are pretending to be stupid or just plain stupid. I’ll just assume you two are stupid because I can’t read minds.
The remark attributed to Clinton in “Game Change” is completely un-sourced and un-credited. There is no documentation that the statement was ever actually made at all. But, assuming it WAS made, in the context of the book, he was talking about Senate seniority rules and customs. Freshmen Senators get coffee for senior Senators. Get it? He was complaining that Obama was a “newbie.”
January 20th, 2010 at 1:16 pmFor the racist earlier who said the Harlem Globetrotters were all black.
That was in 1943.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:18 pmBut, there is a cloud over similar white people.
I’m not sure I agree with that statement. Not often do you hear of a successful white person being criticized as having only been successful because they are white. Also, I have heard MANY people say that the only reason Obama is President is because he is black. Obviously, that suggestion is silly and unfounded, but there are those who claim as much. Let’s not deny that.
It actually seems far more likely that a person who is black succeeding in what was previously considered a white man’s world are often credited with gaining that success through their skin-tone as opposed to their skill.
So yeah…I have to disagree with that sentiment for the most part.
There are, however, examples of institutional exclusivity that is based on factors other than aptitude present in our society, even if it’s not based on race. A good example is that of legacies at colleges. I’m not just talking about Ivy League colleges, either. A college near my home town offers full scholarships to students who get a 4.0 in high school AND who have at least one parent alumnus of that college. Yeah, the 4.0 is a good standard, as it indicates you will do well…but it’s not based on merit because they didn’t give it to people with a 4.0 who had parents who went to a different college.
Merit-based systems are CLEARLY the most fair, and are what I think most of us ultimately want (with exception, of course, of those who have succeeded only because a merit-based system didn’t exist….I’m looking at you, W….), but in our current system, that just isn’t what exists. Because of that, there has to be an additional factor…basically FORCING the use of a merit-system in some sectors on those who are resistant to taking on people who meet the qualifications but for some reason or another are passed over for the white guy who doesn’t…and yes, this still happens.
I sincerely hope that one day, that’s not a problem anymore. However, I also hope that we never forget that it once was. But that day is not today.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:19 pmpatrick5 says:
The league slogan is “Everythings Going to Be All White”.
No woman, patrick?
No cry…
hey, wanna answer my question about the WW2 economy?
January 20th, 2010 at 1:23 pmYou don’t read very closely, do you, b-cup? I said nothing about minorities being excluded unfairly by bigots.
I said that there was an issue of lack of access due to opportunity and resources. Much different problem, much more difficult to address.
Well, two of those people you mentioned are athletes, and we’ve already addressed the easy measurability of performance in that area. Two others are entertainers, which is a little less of an open playing field but still, easily measured impact.
The fifth name is the president, and you obviously haven’y been paying attention, because there are always teabaggers claiming that he’s “only president because he’s black”. Just because that is a stupid claim doesn’t mean nobody’s saying it.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:25 pmGuess he doesn’t watch hockey, eh, where white players beat the crap out of each other all the time.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:26 pmNinerFan, I think iggy is just pretending to be stupid.
jwest has shown that he really is.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:27 pmsmidget. I agree with you here. And maybe today is not the day.
If it hasn’t already, it will happen. And at some point the legitimacy of that double standard will slip into a comfortable bigotry of it’s own.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:27 pmcarter’s proven racism.
It shouldn’t be at all difficult for you to offer up some of that proof, then, should it?
I can offer up quite a bit of proof that you’re a lying sack of shit….but I’d prefer to watch you attempt to ignore the question that you KNOW you can’t answer and deflect from the topic. It’s funnier.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:27 pm@ 151: # ralph the wonder llama says:
I don’t think you could possibly be more clear about the distinction between sports and the rest of the universe if you tried, ralph. And yet the same ignorant questions are raised over and over on the thread. Deeeepressing.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:28 pmhehehe… good one, aaronk… support an unproven allegation by claiming its truth without any further support.
You guys make the most out of the bit of spittle and dirt that nature blessed you with, eh?
January 20th, 2010 at 1:29 pmpatrick5 says:
I think we have worn out this obscure topic. What “great” issue can Think Progress come up with next to distract the moonbats from yesterday’s disaster.
How about WW2 and how the command economy saved us from the Great Depression?
Go…
January 20th, 2010 at 1:30 pmFVNY says:
Iggy, it looks like you broke ralph and belaccifer lacca’s ankles on carter’s proven racism. They’re really back on their heels. Oh well after last night they should be use to it!
The stupid never quits with this one. You seriously think that Habitat for Humanity only builds homes for white people? Wow. How often do you wander out into traffic?
January 20th, 2010 at 1:30 pmI think we have worn out this obscure topic. What “great” issue can Think Progress come up with next to distract the moonbats from yesterday’s disaster.
The headline on the Think Fast page, and 3 out of 5 articles today regarding Brown and/or the election, and this dipshit thinks they’re trying to distract us.
You morons don’t ever listen to yourself when you speak, do you?
January 20th, 2010 at 1:31 pmSo b-cup likes to be in the same company as trolls like iggy and stonewall?
January 20th, 2010 at 1:32 pmJust admit it b-cup, you’re in a bad crowd on this one.
tony and lido
Can’t you see those guys running up and down the court tripping over those long flowing robes and trying to see out of those two little eye holes. Wonder if they will call the teams klans. Like Klan Atlanta and Klan Memphis and Klan Mobile.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:33 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Hold on, guys. I think we’re giving backup to hard a time on this one.
His points have merit in a perfect world. I think that we can all agree that success should be measured by aptitude and merit, not the color of your skin or where you come from.
I think, unfortunately, he thinks we are further down the road to post-racial American than we actually are. That’s not a bad thing! That means that in his part of the world, things types of things aren’t that big of an issue. That’s wonderful, and I hope that kind of attitude and experience spread. I would, however, invite him to visit some of the more rural and Southern portions of the country so he can get a taste of the other end of the spectrum.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:35 pmYou voted in MA, FVNY?
I’m pretty sure that’s illegal.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:36 pmFVNY deflects instead of proving Carter is a racist.
No surprise there. It’s nothing but a big pussy.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:36 pmWow. A Republican won a big election and still feel so inadequate that they have to pretend that they had something to do with it.
What was it that made the difference, aaronk? Was it your comment about how Dana Loesch was so cute that she will make a new generation of conservative leaders?
Such big muscles you boys have.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:45 pmMolesting each other is not an election. But, you almost spelled it correctly. Off by just an “l” for an “r”.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:45 pmsmidget, you’re sweet, but b-cup is getting exactly the treatment he deserves.
And I’m pretty sure it’s the treatment he expects.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:46 pmFVNY says:
Aww, are you copying my style?
January 20th, 2010 at 1:48 pmThat’s sweet… you keep claiming victory for Mr. Brown.
And keep supporting things like ‘whites only basketball leagues’ okay?
Please tell your friends about your support for the proposed AABA, thanks!
FVNY, you didn’t win the election last night.
Scott Brown won the election.
Unless you’re Scott Brown in disguise?
January 20th, 2010 at 1:50 pmBelac, they have to claim for their own victories that they had nothing to do with. The way they keep showing up here and getting their heads rhetorically shoved in the toilet, they’ve got to embrace a fictional character as their friend.
It’s like when the pathetic kid in your neighborhood was heavy into Ultraman.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:53 pmWhen are you going to offer proof that Jimmy Carter is a racist, FVNY? You keep ignoring the question, but we all know it’s because you’re a stupid, lying sack of shit.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:53 pmBoy, this reminds me A LOT of this story:
http://whyy.org/blogs/itsourcity/2009/07/10/open-thread-on-the-valley-club-swimming-pool-controversy/
I wonder if this story is true myself.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:54 pmSee, the thing about teabaggers and elections is… they’re like a dog chasing a car. Even if he were to catch it, he wouldn’t know how to drive it.
(h/t Two and Half Men)
January 20th, 2010 at 1:55 pmFVNY says:
You keep believing that ralphie baby. We’ve got more elections to win!
You do have that right. A LOT of elections, not just one. You keep trying, though. Be sure that lots of teabaggers run for office as Republicans.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:56 pmBasketball players are chosen because of their talent and skill,and their ability to fit it with teams that hired them.
January 20th, 2010 at 2:00 pmThat’s what the game demands,so a franchise can be successful.
Franchise owners don’t give a damn what color you are ..they always scout for talent from Latin America,to Europe,to China.
There were even players who played in the NBA from Lebanon,Turkey,Egypt,Israel etc.
This is a profession that you have to prove that you can do what you are hired for,judged not only by your coaches,staff, the owners ,but also by the fans.
I wish politicians are subjected to the same rules of judgement.
backup says:
This idea seems ridiculous to me.
But, here’s the analogy.
This is a list of Black only organizations:
The problem is that “white” is not an ethnicity.
And those organizations serve to promote racial equality, focusing on African-American lack of opportunity. They aren’t private companies whose core business is not relevant to race issues. Therefore, it’s not a relevant comparison.
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backup says:
But, Whites wanting to segregate because they can’t otherwise compete doesn’t seem much different to me than attempts to self segregate by other races.
The implication being that other races somehow “can’t otherwise compete?” Interesting notion you’ve got there…
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lokidog says:
Cool, but how are they going to fit a full court into a trailer?
Dammit, I was trying to take a drink of coffee there. Took me five minutes to snort that back out of my sinuses.
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backup says:
But, over 80% of NBA players are black. When you consider that blacks make up only 15% of the population, I don’t see how anyone could make the argument that whites (or any other race for that matter) could be considered competitive.
That’s like saying that black people can’t play hockey.
It has mostly to do with what sports are popular among kids in what areas, not with any innate genetic characteristics, as you seem to be suggesting. Relative popularity of a given sport in areas that are show a high incidence of a particular race determines the talent pool from which professional levels can draw.
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jwest says:
Leave it to Amanda to dredge up a decade old oddity in the hope that some race baiting would take your minds off of the devastating election loss.
I checked your link. He didn’t announce it was going to be “all-White” in 2001. The racist angle is brand new.
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patrick5 says:
I think we have worn out this obscure topic. What “great” issue can Think Progress come up with next to distract the moonbats from yesterday’s disaster.
Translation: “I lost. SQUIRREL!
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patrick5 says:
This one’s for Mary Jo!
What?!? It’s a little early to be hitting the bottle that hard, dontcha think?
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smidget says:
I think we’re giving backup to hard a time on this one.
His points have merit in a perfect world.
All conservative positions have merit in a perfect world, with the glaring exception of their stance on war.
If there were no poor people, there’d be no need to help them. If nobody got sick, they wouldn’t need health care coverage. If nobody lapsed into poverty when they got old, we wouldn’t need Social Security. If all areas could provide the same local support for schools, we wouldn’t need a Department of Education. If we didn’t need all of these things, we could pay a tiny portion in taxes and support just enough government to send officals to Washington to sit around and do nothing, because nothing needed to be done.
We don’t live in that world. It only “exists” in the minds of wingnuts.
January 20th, 2010 at 2:02 pmWe don’t live in that world. It only “exists” in the minds of wingnuts.
And I certainly wasn’t claiming there wasn’t a serious flaw with the argument…namely that there is no perfect world.
That doesn’t mean that the concept wasn’t noble in its intentions, nor does it mean that one can’t be made to understand that the world they think they’re looking at isn’t really there. Simply stepping outside of your own little box and looking around can help dramatically.
I was, ultimately, saying that backup wasn’t being disrespectful or bigoted. He was simply stating his way of thinking and I was engaging him in what appeared to be a reasonable and fruitful conversation. I don’t think he should have been voted down simply for having a difference opinion when he was obviously on topic and being respectful of others.
January 20th, 2010 at 2:06 pmIt’s spelled “Sun Tzu”, Lt. Moron.
January 20th, 2010 at 2:09 pmJohn Wooden once said that if you want to watch basketball the way it is supposed to be played, watch the collegiate women play the game.
January 20th, 2010 at 2:11 pmSung Sue
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January 20th, 2010 at 2:11 pmWhat has Mary sung?
Rascalcat says:
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Stuban #148 re:
Say what you want about B. Clinton, in my opinion he was the best Republican President since Ike. But calling Jimmy Carter a biggot is fighting words for me.
Give me one example of Carter being a biggot.
Okay, easy enough… Carter can’t jump into bed with radical Palestinians fast enough – especially if they want to kill Jews. Carter is so fast and loose with his hatred of Jews, his handlers made him apologize:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/23/jimmy-carter-apologizes-t_n_402368.html
Even the nutty libs at the Huffington Post couldn’t deny it.
January 20th, 2010 at 2:17 pmStubain, but Israel isn’t racist, right?
Idiot
January 20th, 2010 at 2:21 pmLook at all the “cracker” comments from you bigots in this thread. Sheesh. You nutty libs are the haters and race baiters, not conservatives.
January 20th, 2010 at 2:22 pmFred – no, Israel is not racist. They protect themselves from terrorists. Plain and simple, really.
January 20th, 2010 at 2:23 pmStubain, self – delusion fits your personality.
January 20th, 2010 at 2:24 pmThanks for playing Fred. Now run along – grown folks are talking…
January 20th, 2010 at 2:25 pmThat’s an interesting example you’ve got there, Stubby.
I know that folks on the Right immediately think that any criticism of Israel is de facto evidence of anti-semitism, but it’s not really so. Don’t you find it surprising that Mr. Carter, in issuing his apology, gave it the form of an Al Het, which is a prayer spoken on Yom Kippur, the Jewish Day of Atonement?
Seems like someone who was truly bigoted, as you and your friends seem to suggest, would have wanted nothing to do with Jewish cultural or religious traditions.
It’s amazing that a truly Christian liberal annoys the wingnuts so greatly that they still make him a target thirty years after he left office.
January 20th, 2010 at 2:27 pmNow you’re pretending to be a “grown up”? How cute.
January 20th, 2010 at 2:27 pmsmidget. I appreciate what you’re saying back around 211. I concede we don’t live in a perfect world and that’s why I concede that attempts to level the playing field can be appropriate. Bigotry has effected our past and, to less of an extent, still effects us today.
I also agree with your characterization that where we differ is in our assessment of where we are along our journey in really being equal.
I concede to you that you are probably more accurate than I. We still have a ways to go.
January 20th, 2010 at 2:29 pmI am a stricking young lad, if I do say so. I do agree that “grown up” might be a bit of a stretch when discribing myself. I am, after all, in a room full of nutty libs.
January 20th, 2010 at 2:34 pmSo…wanting peace between Israel and Palestine is evidence of bigory?
Stubain, are you retarded?
January 20th, 2010 at 2:36 pmStubain says:
Look at all the “cracker” comments from you bigots in this thread. Sheesh. You nutty libs are the haters and race baiters, not conservatives.
Honky, get back in your meth-lab trailer with your pink-spandex-wearing fat-ass wife and go eat a mayonnaise on Wonder Bread sandwich if you want to keep what few teeth you got left. NASCAR ain’t ’til Sunday.
January 20th, 2010 at 2:38 pmStubain says:
I am a stricking young lad
You’re made from hemp?
January 20th, 2010 at 2:41 pmhttp://www.thefreedictionary.com/strick
I call shenanigans.
January 20th, 2010 at 2:45 pmWow. Just …wow.
January 20th, 2010 at 2:45 pmHere’s an issue that seems very bigoted (which is not my intention), but I’ll bring it up because it confuses me.
I believe in evolution. I believe that man is an animal.
I don’t know how prevalent it was, but I have the notion that there was a practice of slave owners breeding slaves. To either be stronger or better workers.
That idea is repugnant to me. It shows utter disregard for human dignity. It was wrong.
If it happened, however, wouldn’t it be a possible explanation for some of the superior athletic abilities of black athletes?
Hard work is obviously a factor in athletic ability. But isn’t genetic aptitude also a factor?
It’s not my intention to insult anybody or to forward racial stereotypes.
But, how do I reconcile my advocacy for the idea of evolution, my acknowledgement that man is an animal governed by evolution, the idea that slave owners ruthlessly bred slaves for generations; but somehow, evolution hasn’t influenced an apparent disparity in athletic ability among today’s athletes?
January 20th, 2010 at 2:48 pmIf it happened, however, wouldn’t it be a possible explanation for some of the superior athletic abilities of black athletes?
It did happen, and it has been offered up as an explanation as to why blacks tend to be better at sports which require greater athletic prowess than whites.
I personally feel that there are a lot of factors that go into it, but this is not outside the realm of possible. Actually, it’s pretty likely that this does contribute.
But, how do I reconcile my advocacy for the idea of evolution, my acknowledgement that man is an animal governed by evolution, the idea that slave owners ruthlessly bred slaves for generations; but somehow, evolution hasn’t influenced an apparent disparity in athletic ability among today’s athletes?
I don’t see why these ideas must contradict. One does not create traits through selective breeding, one enhances traits. Evolution has played a role by making people of African descent more adapted to living in an environment that requires speed, agility, and overall athletic ability as opposed to Europeans, who benefit more from being shorter and heavier to protect against the cold. Slave owners simply noticed these traits and enhanced them further than nature had already done.
January 20th, 2010 at 2:55 pmsmidget. I agree with you on the evolution. That’s two for two. What’s the world coming to?
January 20th, 2010 at 2:57 pmThis is great!!! Finally I get a shot to follow my dreams.
Why do you all want to step on my dreams?
January 20th, 2010 at 2:59 pmJust because I don’t agree with you on a lot of your political stances doesn’t mean I don’t consider you a reasonable and intelligent person.
January 20th, 2010 at 3:00 pmb-cup, I give you shit when you deserve it, and when your comments deserve thoughtful responses, I can provide that, too.
Yes, the breeding of slaves is a repugnant part of our history, and it’s also a likely factor in the athletic legacy of the American black community. I understand why it’s difficult for people to talk about, but I think it’s an issue that can be reasonably discussed. Slaves were, after all, seen and treated as livestock by plantation owners.
On a related thought, wingnuts seem to think that whenever a liberal notes a racial characteristic, it’s evidence of racism (that standard doesn’t seem to extend to conservatives, however). My guess is it’s because they have a limited imagination.
Racism, as I see it, is a belief that a person’s race determines his character.
January 20th, 2010 at 3:03 pmwell said, smidget. It is b-cup’s evident capabilities that make his failings so infuriating.
January 20th, 2010 at 3:04 pmActually, b-kup. long before slave owners started practicing eugenics, those Africans who evolved on the plains had longer limbs than most other branches of humanity. This gives people from that heritage an advantage in many sports.
One could also make an argument that a disproportionate number of Caucasian athletes take the chicken’s path of playing wimpy ol’ baseball. It seems like those lazy whites are afraid of competing against all those big strong black athletes.
However, if one looks at football, the largest group of Caucasians are offensive linemen. In case one isn’t familiar with football, the offensive line is the position most dependent on sheer size and brute strength.
Then we return to basketball. Take a look at the recent influx of white Europeans. It’s no longer rare to see white NBA players although there are quite few who were born and raised in the good ol’ U.S.A.
So? One can make a case that white Americans shun basketball and those who are tall enough bulk up with steroids until they can be offensive linemen. The little fellers play baseball.
January 20th, 2010 at 3:05 pmbackup says:
Hard work is obviously a factor in athletic ability. But isn’t genetic aptitude also a factor?
I suppose, but there are two problems with this notion.
1. There’s no way to test for it. There are a great many people in the world in each “category,” and only a few of each are capable of high levels of athletic competition. So there’s no way to get a representative sample for each group. In fact, the entire point behind high level sports is that the athletes are not representative of the general population. If on the other hand you were to gather a representative sample from different groups, it would be nearly impossible to factor out cultural differences in how much different groups might exercise, or what sports they might have practiced to what levels. That is, not and have the sample remain representative.
2. There’s no way of knowing that slave owners were using an effective “breeding” program, and a number of factors at work that might have undercut it. Some sympathetic/more-humane slaveowners might have been more likely to let their slaves choose their own partners. Many slaveowners were inserting their own DNA into the pool – hardly any African-Americans descended from slaves have 0% European DNA. There’s no clear/specific trait that we can say they were breeding for. Runing speed? Lifting capability? Disease resistance? There are too many divergent possibilities. Simply put, slaveowners had way too many competing priorities. Finally, there isn’t really a way to guarantee parentage with humans the same way there is for livestock, since we don’t work on an annual “estrus” system.
So there’s your perfectly cold-hearted and rational answer to the question.
January 20th, 2010 at 3:05 pmElBruce, your sound objections noted, I think it’s still reasonable to assume that slave owners who saw their slaves as livestock would seek to breed stronger and physically more capable “property”, just as they did with their cattle. Teaching them to read, of course, was verboten except in certain select circumstances.
January 20th, 2010 at 3:12 pmABBA’s been around since the 70s and they’re all white….oh wait, different group.
backup, I stopped reading at about post 110, so forgive me if someone else has already addressed this, but do you seriously not see any difference between a group dominating because others lack the skills to compete with them, and a group dominating because no-one else is allowed to compete with them?
January 20th, 2010 at 3:23 pmstubain
No we arent but YOU cons are the morons and hateful bigots. You can repeat the lies you were brainwashed with all day. Repitition doesnt make it true. It only shows how STUPID you are
January 20th, 2010 at 3:26 pmralph the wonder llama says:
ElBruce, your sound objections noted, I think it’s still reasonable to assume that slave owners who saw their slaves as livestock would seek to breed stronger and physically more capable “property”, just as they did with their cattle. Teaching them to read, of course, was verboten except in certain select circumstances.
It’s also simple genetics. Some parts of the planet have produced specific physical characteristics that tend to give those people an advantage in certain activities. Very long limbs, for example, are useful in certain sports (basketball, swimming) and required no breeding programs to get the result.
In regard to sports, particularly in this country, it’s also impossible to eliminate culture as a factor. Certain sports are popular in certain cultures and produce exceptional athletes as an obvious result. Ever wonder why so many MLB players are from Latin America? It’s got nothing to do with breeding programs.
–OMF
January 20th, 2010 at 3:26 pmAh, I went back up the line (no pun intended), and others have addressed my question, and very well, too.
January 20th, 2010 at 3:29 pmralph the wonder llama says:
I think it’s still reasonable to assume
I don’t know from “assume.” It’s certainly a reasonable hypothesis, but before one raises the notion to a level worth asserting, there needs to be some sort of critical test. As I pointed out in 242, I don’t see a way to test for it, and past or current states of various sports certainly doesn’t count as valid data.
Meanwhile, one should also ask themselves what they would possibly use this information for. Are there any reasonable arguments regarding the state of society or public policy that could be drawn based on this? I certainly can’t think of any.
January 20th, 2010 at 3:30 pmWell, there was the Negro League in baseball, so why not the Caucasian League in basketball? But let’s make sure members of the white’s only basketball league have to sit in the back of the bus, cannot sleep or eat in mainstream establishments and have to go potty in the local outhouse on the outskirts of town. Oh, by the way, why not lynch one or two if they get ornery.
January 20th, 2010 at 3:31 pmpete. I agree that any genetic differences in aptitude probably predated selective breeding by slave owners.
January 20th, 2010 at 3:32 pmElBruce. I read what you said. That, in addition to what pete said, leads me to believe that although the breeding practice of slavery in the U.S. could have lasted dozens of generations, those consequences would be insignificant compared to the environmental affects and longer time frames of blacks pre-slavery in Africa.
The evolution that happened in Africa would have the bigger influence.
January 20th, 2010 at 3:41 pmExcellent point. But wouldn’t journals and records of plantation owners count as valid data? In other words, first-hand or historical accounts of such breeding should serve every bit as well as genetic testing, no?
January 20th, 2010 at 3:47 pmReply to BluegoingRed: It’s obvious to me that you want to join this league based on the racist comments you’ve made on this site. Apparently you also object to “St Patrick’s Day”, the “Polish American League”, and a number of other organizations that are based on ethnicity. You clearly have a problem with people who don’t look like you.
Look moron, the terrorist don’t stop to check skin color when they attack us. They are out to get all of us. When you look at your fellow Americnas of color you see race, I all I see are Americans. So good luck with your new league and may God have mercy on your soul.
January 20th, 2010 at 3:52 pmThere may well be a lot of “caucasian” (I’m using the word loosely) people in America who would be excellent NBA players, but who chose other careers from a vast array of options. Minority players are more likely to come out of less advantaged backgrounds, and basketball is one ticket out available to talented athletes. Just food for thought.
January 20th, 2010 at 3:54 pmThe problem with entertaining the notion that blacks are superior athletes due to evolution, is the converse.
When people use that same logic to assert that disparities in other areas aren’t due to bigotry of the system, but natural evolutionary differences.
It starts to sound too much like Hitler logic.
So, although it seems intuitive to me that blacks enjoy some superior athletic ability due to natural selection and evolution, expanding that idea to consider that success or failure in other facets of life are also governed by evolution; becomes much less comfortable.
It suggests an idea that the basis of our inequalities are natural and somehow acceptable.
I don’t believe that. I believe that all men are created equal. Whatever is going on under my skin is the same thing that is happening under the skin of a black man.
But, because I believe in evolution, it is difficult for me to discount it’s influence in disparities we acknowledge today.
January 20th, 2010 at 3:59 pmWhen is the all Mexican league starting?
January 20th, 2010 at 4:02 pmHey BACKUP..if humans are just like other animals, then what is wrong with selective breading to produce better specimens? You contradict yourself. As far as that practice goes, I would be shocked to find out that it didn’t. I would assume that it did. Why wouldn’t the owner of “livestock” try to maximize productivity and value of his “property”? It would be illogical not to.
expanding that idea to consider that success or failure in other facets of life are also governed by evolution; becomes much less comfortable.
I think that the problem with this kind of thinking is that people put too much stock in the ability of our genetic pattern to determine our individual destinies. I do not accept this as reality.
It suggests an idea that the basis of our inequalities are natural and somehow acceptable.
I think we’re making too much of an effort to push equality where it doesn’t exist. All people are equal in their worth as human beings. All people are equal under the eyes of the law. But people aren’t all the same. Some are better than others at certain things. That doesn’t necessarily make them a better person or more worthy of this, that, or the other. But we are different. And there’s nothing wrong with that.
Whatever is going on under my skin is the same thing that is happening under the skin of a black man.
Well, pretty much. There are more differences than just skin color between the races. The physical structures of our bodies are different. Again, that does not make one superior to the others. It just makes us different. Ignoring the differences in the races is actually kind of dangerous. For example, prevalence rates for diseases are different for different races, and that’s not just due to social standing. Refusing to acknowledge this out of the fear of being considered racist is not productive in properly treating the disease in question.
I think the basic crux of the discussion at this point is that there are differences between the races. These differences come from both the natural world and the external influences of humanity and culture. The problem is when people think that those differences immediately equal inferiority in one or more of those races as opposed to simply being a diversity of the human race.
I am all for celebrating our differences. It’s one of the beautiful things about humans. I’m all for recognizing and understanding how deep those differences run. But I also recognize the danger in assigning a naturalism to it. I would hope that the enlightened people, at least, would understand that just because we are genetically different from one another does not mean we aren’t still, basically, the same.
And with that, I believe I have spent my reserves on this topic. I thank everyone for the discussion. Have a good evening!
January 20th, 2010 at 4:11 pmHumans are animals. We could employ or be affected by selective breeding; just as any other animal. But there seems to be consensus that selective breeding (solely on the basis of physical attributes; void of emotion) is antithetical to our values.
January 20th, 2010 at 4:13 pmsmidget. I appreciate what you’ve had to say. Thanks. Good nite.
January 20th, 2010 at 4:16 pmAnd the point I’m trying to make, b-kup, is that basketball is largely dependent on the length of one’s limbs. I’ll use myself as an example.
I was 5′11″ by the time I was 15 (though I topped out at 6′1″). I also have very little athletic ability or much desire to achieve it. However, due to my long limbs, I was able to dominate much better athletes in our informal basketball games. I was also able to win races against kids who were much faster than me, on level ground, when hurdles were added to the course. My long limbs gave me an advantage.
As for “athletic ability”; that’s something that’s learned. Athletic ability, or training to be more precise, is how relatively short people can overcome those with long limbs. The NBA always has a small number of, relatively, short guys who’s desire and training allows them compete against “storks”. Historically, those “short” players are more evenly split, between black and white, than those who have long limbs.
We really can’t have this discussion without dispensing with the idea of “natural ability” and “God-given talent”. Is it possible to have a genetic makeup that gives one an advantage? Yes. But, if one studies athletes to any extent, one will see that those who wholly devote themselves are the ones who excel.
January 20th, 2010 at 4:26 pmGood ol’ b-kup. Always ready to leave when the conversation moves beyond his comfort level. Oh well. Just in case he stops back.
I don’t think there’s any conclusive evidence that people of African heritage are “superior athletes”. Many do, indeed, have relatively long limbs; giving them a natural advantage in some sports. However, in order for the “superior athlete” meme to be true; Shaq, and other seven footers, would have to be able to shoot free-throws as well as the little fellers.
Such is not the case. Their height is a disadvantage because they don’t get a three dimensional look at the basket which interferes with their depth perception. I haven’t shot a free-throw in twen.. thirty years and I’m confident that I could beat Shaq in a contest.
January 20th, 2010 at 4:34 pmbackup says:
The evolution that happened in Africa would have the bigger influence.
Correct. And that only comes down to things like skin cancer, sickle-cell anemia and vitamin D production.
In order to make any physical assertions about Africans, you’d have to break it down by tribe, which is a lot like breaking Europeans down by specific ethnicity as well. At this point we aren’t talking so much about “race” in the way that we use the term today, but rather about very specific genetic lines. For example, the Maasai do tend to be very tall. It’s possible that many NBA players have some Maasai genes. But you’d have to do some fairly specific genetic testing for that. And even if you did prove such an assertion was true, the question remains: so what?
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ralph the wonder llama says:
But wouldn’t journals and records of plantation owners count as valid data? In other words, first-hand or historical accounts of such breeding should serve every bit as well as genetic testing, no?
Since so many slaveowners were taking the prettiest young females out to the back of the shed, the data is in considerable doubt. Genetic testing can prove that nearly all the “samples” have been corrupted at some point.
Humans have a very long childhood relative to other animals, as measured between birth and fertility. That slows down any breeding program considerably. Furthermore, it’s humans running the program as well, so a workable program would have to remain consistent across many generations of slaveowners. A great many slaves changed hands between slaveowners as well, which also works against consistency.
Just because some historical racist monsters thought something would work, doesn’t mean they succeeded in pulling it off. Otherwise there’d be giant Nazi robots all over the place.
January 20th, 2010 at 4:35 pmpete says:
Their height is a disadvantage because they don’t get a three dimensional look at the basket which interferes with their depth perception. I haven’t shot a free-throw in twen.. thirty years and I’m confident that I could beat Shaq in a contest.
Shaq can’t make free throws because Shaq thinks he’s too good to practice free throws, and that’s the end of that story. Hmph!
January 20th, 2010 at 4:37 pmpete. I agree with you that aptitude or genetics play a role and that devotion and drive can be even more determinant.
I am a freak about the idea of evolution. I have come to believe not only our physical attributes are evolved and genetically preprogrammed, but even the propensity for devotion and drive are also genetically preprogrammed.
I don’t really think about this in the context of racial differences, but more on a personal level; since I’ve been a parent. I’ve got two kids and although I parent them the same, they are significantly different.
I know that nature and nurture both have influence in outcomes. As time goes on, the more I think nature is determinant.
January 20th, 2010 at 4:41 pmWhat about Steve Nash, Spud Webb, John Stockton, etc. Athletics is not all physical, bottom line. The fact that there are more blacks in the NBA is more sultural than racial or physical. You can’t tell me that whites have some advantage genetically that makes them better snowboarders but yet how many professional boarders are back. This league is just a publicity stunt or a way for whities to play ball with less competition.
January 20th, 2010 at 4:58 pmI think this is a great idea, you can have B.E.T., yes, an all black channel, professed all black colleges, black history month, All black beauty pagents, ect. but let the white people say all white in anything and now its racist. come on people keep the race card out of this. Let us white people enjoy one thing in this country that can be ours.
January 20th, 2010 at 5:07 pmbroozer. I don’t see the virtue in ‘all white’ or ‘all black’ anything.
January 20th, 2010 at 5:16 pmRUCerious says:
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My only other question…
Will all the white guys wear super short shorts ala 1960 – 1970 NBA?
Ooh Oooh * raises hand* You mean just like Will Ferrell did? ‘Cause that would be hilarious to watch.
January 20th, 2010 at 5:36 pmSomething about straight guys in short shorts..mmm… yummy!
Throw your HOOD up —Throw your HOOD up AH HAH AH HAHAHHAHAHAH HA HAHAHH!!!!!
January 20th, 2010 at 5:37 pmHere’s their official team logo:
January 20th, 2010 at 5:42 pmA burning cross and a noose..
Yeah, this guy has always been a class act:
January 20th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
ElBruce,
I think that Shaq gave up on free-throws but, earlier in his career, he and his coaches devoted lots of effort. I even seem to recall that he tried hypnosis. Either way, in Shaq’s case, it’s as much mental as physical.
On the other hand, if one looks at the statistics (I have much more passion for statistics than any particular sport), one will see an obvious relation between height and free-throws. Once a player is over 6′8″, or so, the free-throw percentage drops dramatically. By the time they hit 7 feet, there are very few who can push their percentage much above 60%.
One exception is Randy Breuer. Since he came from the small town I lived in at the time, I followed his career fairly closely. Even at 7′3″, he was a pretty good free-throw shooter but, he utilized a bizarre stance to get a better look at the basket.
January 20th, 2010 at 6:00 pmThere are white men who can jump – Chase Budinger has a nearly 4-foot vertical leap.
January 20th, 2010 at 7:24 pmElBruce says:
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Stubain says:
Look at all the “cracker” comments from you bigots in this thread. Sheesh. You nutty libs are the haters and race baiters, not conservatives.
Honky, get back in your meth-lab trailer with your pink-spandex-wearing fat-ass wife and go eat a mayonnaise on Wonder Bread sandwich if you want to keep what few teeth you got left. NASCAR ain’t ’til Sunday.
Now that’s funny! Nutty libs CAN be good for something.
January 20th, 2010 at 7:27 pmbelaccifer lacca says:
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Stubain says:
I am a stricking young lad
You’re made from hemp?
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/strick
Good catch! I know I have the better argument when all the other side can do is look for typos. Again, great work!
January 20th, 2010 at 7:34 pmPost number 4 said it all… it’s amazing how much traction this press release has generated, with no secondary evidence of even this organization’s existence. The way this story has gone “viral” without any real information is troubling in so many ways.
January 20th, 2010 at 7:54 pmWow a teatard basketball league.
Please be true…
January 20th, 2010 at 8:34 pmMost likely a bullshit story but I would love it if it were true. Because everybody likes to watch a train wreck.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:36 pmI think this is a good idea, because I think that whites are being mistreated in this country. I mean there is no speacial treatments for whites like there is for minorities in this country. I mean you have rap which is a big trend in this country and you have rap channels on tv, I mean minorities have it good these days so they shouldn’t be upset over this its not like its the 1950’s and early 1960’s. Overall I am for it and that mayor should not have to think real hard just allow it in all fairness.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:43 pmOh please, please, please be true!
January 20th, 2010 at 10:11 pmThis enterprise must be allowed to succeed!
The very future of the Two-Handed Set Shot depends on it!
Dontcha see?
January 20th, 2010 at 10:28 pmWhite power, yes.
January 20th, 2010 at 10:39 pmThere are some pretty good white players in the NBA and the world now. In fact, if you had a white vs. black all-star game, it would be VERY competitive. In fact, the 2005-2007 NBA MVPs were white — Larry Bird was also the best player in the league for a few years.
It is certainly racist to say that blacks in general are better athletes than whites — Anyone who claims this should be just as comfortable saying that whites are generally more intelligent than blacks.
Regarding the all-white league, its fine with me. So is BET. Groups get together to celebrate their distinctive heritage and culture all the time. There is certainly a very real double standard when whites create groups for whites only, as if having such a group automatically implies they feel they are superior to other races.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:27 pmIf they do not allow men to play in the WNBA — how would an all-white league be any different?
January 20th, 2010 at 11:30 pmToo fracking funny.
Might Whitey stands up in public and announces, “White folks can’t jump.”
Don “Moose” Lewis can’t handle gut ball. Not cool. He’s a fracking traitor to all of us that have carried the nickname “Moose”. You are hereby stripped of all rights and privileges and may not call yourself “Moose”, Donnie boy. Let the word go forth to all who might hear, there.
January 21st, 2010 at 1:29 am@ 279. JohnEden says: I think this is a good idea, because I think that whites are being mistreated in this country. I mean there is no speacial treatments for whites like there is for minorities in this country. … January 20th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
You’re kind of young, aren’t you, Johnny? You ought to visit a library and read in on the wonderful “speacial”* treatments that have been visited on minorities in this country. We, that is, us “white” folk are NOT a minority, and we’ve done most of the inflicting, and given the fact that a lot of us still, privately, play by rules that put people of color in second or third place, behind any “white” person, we don’t need any special treatment, or deserve it. And I don’t want to hear your sorry-ass whining, either.
*the word is SPECIAL, not SPEACIAL.
January 21st, 2010 at 1:38 amMarilyn says: Back in the 70’s in the south we did have all white teams. What is wrong with that again. It will definately not take anything away from the blacks. They own basketball.Growing up my son always played with blacks during park ball and at the YMCA. He played at a private school in the 80’s with no blacks enrolled. This gave him an extra opportunity to play. He could jump, shoot 3 pointers all day, was all state and played in the final 4. During those tournaments they did play other teams with blacks and did quiet well.He played football, baseball, and golf as well and was able to obtain a schlorship that he otherwise would not have gotten at a racially mixed school. He played college baseball and all the teams had blacks and whites and they played well together. His highschool team he coaches now is mostly black and everything is just fine. MY daughter competes in the Alabama USA and has finished 3rd alt last year.Maybe now they can have an all white Miss America because they have a Miss Black America. What is the difference? There is not discrimination hardly anywhere, but reverse discrimination is everywhere. My husband played pro-baseball in the 70’s and many latinos played for less money and some just to get to live here. He may have been an equal playerand mostly better, but he was not as cheap for the team as the latinos were. During the 70’s he was passed over for many jobs such as firefighter and even had the highest score on the test. Many blacks and other races have perks,but the whites are being looked over everywhere. We are all the same and all deserve the same rights. Can we please get past this?
January 21st, 2010 at 2:28 ammarilyn: gameoflife277 We are proud of the teatard people. Things worked out well for those uneducated folks last night.You will be using that cocky word a lot I’m sure And, oh yes, did your parents teach you not to call people retarded? That is not using good manners. I’m sorry for all the problems the teatards,teabangers,or teareds might cause those poor people who voted themselves a raise and left the poor old social security receivers without a single penny. They even raised their gap and drug coverage insurance and did it in February of 09. This was planned before the Meshia was sworn in good.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:50 amMbuzz
My GOD you are stupid. AND racist. If you had all white teams that PRECLUDED blacks then your team was discrimitory. If your kid was good enough he would have played whether blacks were on the team or not. If not so be it. The best kid should play not the best WHITE kid. What part of this is too complicated for your tiny brain. Of COURSE you are proud of the teatards because that is just how stupid you are
January 21st, 2010 at 3:46 amAll of the wingnut arguments in here are basically asking the same question: “what’s wrong with a segregated society?” We explained it at length decades ago, but they’re so stupid they keep coming back to ask the same vile questions again and again.
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broozer1968 says:
I think this is a great idea, you can have B.E.T., yes, an all black channel, professed all black colleges, black history month
White people can watch and be on B.E.T. White people can go to “Historically Black” colleges. White people get the other 11 months of the year. White people have no reason to cry and whine like you do. These are all false equivalences.
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jimspice says:
“Down For the Count!” , an erotic horror flick with live professional wrestling scenes included
Oh come on, admit it, you’d totally watch that.
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cullens says:
Post number 4 said it all… it’s amazing how much traction this press release has generated, with no secondary evidence of even this organization’s existence.
The Augusta newspaper and local TV station reported on it, so that’s 2 credible journalistic sources, in addition to the press release from the guy himself.
Just because you find the existence of vitriolic racism embarrassing doesn’t mean you get to complain when people report on its existence.
But I suppose now you’re going to complain that we’re responding to the openly bigoted racist right-wingers posting in this thread, and go on about how we should all pretend they don’t really exist either?
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JohnEden says:
I think this is a good idea, because I think that whites are being mistreated in this country.
Is this sarcasm? Because it looks like sarcasm. I mean, everything you just said is the opposite of all American history and sociological fact.
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PaulMorphy says:
It is certainly racist to say that blacks in general are better athletes than whites — Anyone who claims this should be just as comfortable saying that whites are generally more intelligent than blacks.
I don’t agree with either proposition. However, they are not equivalent. Intelligence says more about someone as a person than athletic ability.
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mbuzz says:
My husband played pro-baseball in the 70’s and many latinos played for less money and some just to get to live here. He may have been an equal playerand mostly better, but he was not as cheap for the team as the latinos were.
First of all, everything you said was lies, but I’m going to pick out this whopper for special consideration. Pro baseball hires latinos because they’re cheaper? That’s utterly hilarious.
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mbuzz says:
those poor people who voted themselves a raise and left the poor old social security receivers without a single penny. They even raised their gap and drug coverage insurance and did it in February of 09. This was planned before the Meshia was sworn in good.
Translation and citation needed.
January 21st, 2010 at 3:54 amDo the warm up suits that players in this league will be wearing consist of white robes and hoods???
January 21st, 2010 at 2:52 pmNot sure why anyone would make a big deal about this. It is certainly indicitave of the double standard most Americans hold regarding racism.
It doesn’t seem to me that this white group is professing their league is superior to a integrated basketball league, or that whites are somehow superior to other races — any more than WNBA participants claim women are superior to men or men’s basketball. To me it serves the same purpose as the WNBA — whites would like a place where they can go and enjoy basketball played by whites.
It is a testament to the deeply seeded anti-white indoctrination within the American education system, laws, and the popular culture — to see the predominant reaction by most people is to automatically assume that those who participate in this league have some personal hatred for other races, or consider themselves superior — Indeed, this is a better definition of racism: The automatic and unfounded belief in a stereotype about persons of a certain racial group. IE: Any all-white group automatically considers themselves superior to non-whites, or favors racial segregation in society.
The position of the liberal is consistenly different when such groups are formed by blacks, hispanics, women, etc.
January 21st, 2010 at 9:08 pmI support the freedom of assembly as much as I support freedom of speech.
If they want to have a group like this it’s their God given right.
That being said I doubt I’d want to join this group.
The only sheets at a Basketball game should be used to whipe off sweat.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:21 pmheres the thing i am glad that they are doing this.
the colored people are always saying the whites get this the whites get that blablabla yes back what happend to them 1000 years ago sucks but half of the colored people dont even know half of thier history, also im tired of them thinking that we owe them somthing cause we dont.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:38 pmetfr
January 22nd, 2010 at 1:10 amNow this is some silly shit….
January 22nd, 2010 at 1:11 amIntelligence says more about someone as a person than athletic ability.
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January 22nd, 2010 at 1:13 amIs this why Caesar and Aldo didn’t get along so well?
@ 294. heyray86 says: heres the thing i am glad that they are doing this. the colored people are always saying the whites get this the whites get that blablabla yes back what happend to them 1000 years ago sucks but half of the colored people dont even know half of thier history, also im tired of them thinking that we owe them somthing cause we dont. January 21st, 2010 at 10:38 pm
Gee, hay ray 86, you got some sort of keyboard dyslexia problem? Don’t worry, it’s not uncommon among us white folk who are trying to live up to the trailer trash standard. Uneducated and ignorant, that’s the way to go, by gollies.
If, however, the number of years you mention is what you really meant, that is, you meant 1000 – one thousand, then you need a remedial history lesson.
One thousand years ago, the only folks on the continents of the Americas were the Native Americans. Some Norse may have stopped by, very briefly, camped out, in what is now called Maritime Canada (Newfoundland and Labrador), somewhere between 1000 years ago and about 700 years ago.
The Spanish and Portugese arrived about 500 years ago. The Portugese had fishing camps, commercial fishing camps, on the Canadian coast and they colonized South America, along the Brazilian coast. The Spanish colonized the Caribbean, then Mexico, then Florida and Louisiana. And the French, Dutch and English arrived shortly thereafter. All the Europeans started bringing African slaves to the Americas when they found that Native Americans they enslaved died too quickly. Most of the other countries of the Americas outlawed slavery before the US did; it never really got going in a couple of places.
Almost 150 years ago, not 1000 years ago, we, the US of A, finally outlawed slavery, thus “freeing” our black brethern, who we proceeded to crap on for another 150 years. Well, sure, we crapped on some other folks too. Crapped on red folks, brown folks, yellow folks. And, the white folks at the top of the heap crapped on all those, plus the white folks at the lower end of the heap.
Perhaps you don’t owe black Americans anything; they certainly don’t owe you shit. However, as Americans, of whatever color, we at least owe each other some respect. I would find it easier to show some respect for you if you had the chops to show that you’re capable of discussing this issue in something other than a whine and with a little more attention to spelling and grammar.
Your remarks are stereotyping BS.
January 22nd, 2010 at 1:35 am@ 292. PaulMorphy …
Gee, Pauly, I’m as Anglo as the next Anglo-Saxon mother’s son, but I’ve never noticed anything wonderful and special about a bunch of white guys playing basketball. You guys stand around and talk about how wonderful it is to be playing white basketball? I assume you stand, because we all know we can’t jump.
I won’t get any further into that because of my own dippy white guy secret, Pauly. I always got called for traveling when we did basketball in PE. It’s shameful, I know, but I’m just a lousy basketball player; I don’t play and outside of checking on how my alma mater’s team is doing, I don’t pay any attention to the sport.
So, basically, on this mighty whitey basketball league, I’m kind of torn between three POVs; firstly, who fracking gives a shit about what those idiots do. Secondly, how fracking stupid can they get; why not just stand out on the corner and announce that they can’t hack it (they can’t handle playground ball – Holy Mother of Hamburger)? And thirdly, why do the rest of us have to listen to these idiots whining?
Sheeyit, dude, I come from a small town on the backside of the boondocks and you’re telling me some bunch of city boys are so wimped out they can’t handle a little in-yo-face trash talk on the court? They don’t got game? WTF? What a pack of whining slackers.
January 22nd, 2010 at 1:59 am@ 296. dbadass says: Now this is some silly shit…. January 22nd, 2010 at 1:11 am
Isn’t it, though. Damn close on un-fracking-believable.
January 22nd, 2010 at 2:07 amThere is BET (BLACK Entertainment Television), There is Black Bike Week and it appears that THIS is OK and it NOT labelled as “racist”. However, if there was WET (White Entertainment Television) or White Bike Week, there would certainly calls for “racism” and bla bla bla. All of which is grossly pathetic to say the least.
Furthermore, the ignorance is appalling as well. Racist is historically a term when a race believes their race is superior. In fact, the leader of the Nationalist Social German Worker Party clearly made the point of a “master race” and so did the Japanese (both interestingly enough, allies). Such notions are indeed Racist and unacceptable regardless of who practices it.
However, discrimination is not racism -even though the term is used to discredit any opposition or achieve an illegitimate gain. The fact that I wont date/kiss FAT girls does not make me a racist; Nor it would if i were to reject fat women as friends. I am in my right to do so – it is my gain or loss.
If we were to be consequent with what many have written here, then BET and Black Bike Week would be banned, and labelled as racist. Furthermore so would be sex-segregated sports for the same reason – after all, we are all equal are we not?
Fact is critical thinking and reasoning has not been seen since the illustration – otherwise, who in the right mind would follow in droves people like Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin or subhuman morons like Chavez. In conclusion, the vast majority of people on this planet no smarter than their dog. After all only 2% of the world population are scientists and chances are, you are not one of them.
January 22nd, 2010 at 7:16 amThat or you guys just don’t want to get your ass kicked which is supposed to happen “The Bird Turds” there’s a team name for your shit.
January 22nd, 2010 at 9:22 amMaybe an all white league is taking things a little far, but I believe they need to have affirmative actions to get more whites in the NBA.
If someone who is less qualified can get into a major university or get hired because they are black, then someone who is not as good of a player should be able to get into the NBA just because they are white. Fair is fair
January 22nd, 2010 at 12:26 pmThis idea is ridiculous and offensive, of course. But why does it not surprise me that you mention something like this and the first thing liberals do is chalk it up to conservatives. Steel trap minds, that’s for sure.
January 22nd, 2010 at 3:10 pmWhat these racists need is a dose of their own medicine. blacks and hispanics should start their own magazines, tv channels, clubs, colleges and universities that exclude whites and see how they like it! and affirmative action to give preference over whites for schools and jobs. and all comedians of color should make fun of whites too. they could make jokes about them being nerdy and dancing poorly.
seriously, this is ridiculous.
where i work there are engineering clubs for women, blacks, latinos but no white clubs. i find it offensive that i get email invitations to join and to go to certain events and my white coworkers don’t.
i get ethnic magazine subscription offers, cable tv package offers, and all sorts of nonsense because of my ethnicity.
why isn’t that racist? why are my white friends excluded?people get a life. get along. stop making a big deal out of nothing. look at how many minority only things there are. it’s self segregation…segregation and alienation by choice.
okay go ahead and attack me for “being a sell out”. i’m a big boy i can take it. i’ve put up with this stupidity all my life.
January 23rd, 2010 at 6:14 pmI’m not going to say if I’m black or white…I am Mr. Grey.
The All-American Basketball Alliance (AABA) is a stupid idea and is not going to float as for a the general public goes (maybe with the KKK).
That bring said; now to my next thing United Negro College Fund (UNCF) there was a time for it but America has grown (I feel and hope). What would people say if someone started United White College Fund I’ll tell you “racists”! How about a all White TV channel “Racists” but BET is doing just fine.
There is a double slandered in America where if your White, just for thinking O.J. was guilty makes you “racist”. Believe me there is “racism” on both sides white or black.
It’s time to start shedding the labels; if some blacks can play better baseball so be it…if some whites are better working on computers so be it and vice versa if your good at doing something do it.
I know just for pointing out the obvious even what I wrote is going to labeled as racist by a few because it’s just that easy to do.
Bottom line we all bleed red and we all die one day let’s just work together.
January 24th, 2010 at 12:44 pmWhatever…Why is this exiting anymore?
January 24th, 2010 at 2:49 pmsounds no more racist than the black entertainment awards,or black miss america or how about the united negro college fund,or even the national association for the advancement of colored people.Talk about racism.A white only basketball league,maybe I’ll try out if they lower the basket to where a white man can reach it..
January 26th, 2010 at 3:10 pm