Woman Who Was Denied Insurance Due To Pre-Existing Condition Looking To Get Married For Health Care
Woman Who Was Denied Insurance Due To Pre-Existing Condition Looking To Get Married For Health Care
One of the worst abuses of the private insurance industry is its practice of excluding people with certain pre-existing conditions from coverage, effectively denying them the right to get adequate health care coverage because covering them is not profitable enough.
45-year-old mother and divorcee Terri Carlson knows what life is like with a pre-existing condition. She has a rare genetic disease called C4 Complement Deficiency, that involves the immune system having “inadequate levels of complement proteins,” which leaves the body more prone to infections. “[It] makes me unable to process bacteria and viruses efficiently and my body attacks itself. It’s very similar to lupus,” Carlson explained to the press.
Because she recently divorced, she has “one year left under COBRA health coverage, but after that she will have nothing to pay for numerous doctors appointments and dozens of medications.” Due to the fact that Complement Deficiency is considered a pre-existing condition by many health insurance companies, Carlson has been unable to find anyone willing to cover her following the expiration of her COBRA coverage. “I’ve looked, I’ve searched, there is absolutely no stone that I’ve left unturned. And there are no other options for me,” she told a reporter.
After fruitlessly searching for months for a way to get health coverage, Carlson decided that she had only one way to get affordable coverage: She would get married. She has set up a website called WillMarryForHealthInsurance.com and is offering to marry someone whose health insurance will cover her as well. “You know, I am not happy I was delt this deck of cards in my life. However, if I don’t fight for myself nobody will. While the goverment fights over healthcare reform people like me suffer … as drastic as it sounds, I will marry for health insurance,” she writes on the site.
CBS News interviewed Carlson today. She told the news network that she can’t afford to care what her future husband looks like — “The lower the co-pay, the sexier you are to me!” Watch it:
Carlson told CBS that some people have accused her of being part of a left-wing conspiracy by using her case to illustrate the need for health reform, but that she doesn’t mind the charge: “I’m just like every other middle American that’s suffering with a pre-existing condition and caught in the middle. And if that makes me the poster child for President Obama, I’m happy to do it.”
It is worth noting that the United States is the only developed country without a universal, cradle-to-the-grave health care system. In no other developed country would a woman feel like she was forced to marry someone, even if she didn’t love them, just to be able to get decent health care coverage.
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I am so embarrassed for my country that a woman is reduced to this.
February 1st, 2010 at 5:46 pmA co-worker of mine married a woman a few years ago because she had terminal cancer and no health coverage. Because we have a group plan here she wasn’t turned down for a pre-existing condition and was able to live her last year or so with some dignity.
There is no excuse for a culture that does this to its citizens.
February 1st, 2010 at 5:47 pmhow long will it be before people are offering up their children under similar terms and conditions?
what kind of “families-first” country allows this to happen?
February 1st, 2010 at 5:49 pmShame on American Health Care Insurers
February 1st, 2010 at 5:49 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Conservative addict, is that what you guys call “compassionate conservatism”?
February 1st, 2010 at 5:53 pm@5. You are vile. Go to Red State. I am finished with you. I will never respond to anything you comment again. Gingrich cheated on his ill wife and served her with papers when she was hospitalized. Go back under the rock from wence you came.
February 1st, 2010 at 5:54 pmConservatism is my Anti-drug says:
How ’bout we just call you Newt for short?
Flagged.
February 1st, 2010 at 5:54 pmConservatives like the one at comment #5 are anti-human.
For shame America…for shame.
February 1st, 2010 at 5:56 pmBefore this thread becomes a vile anti-woman fountain of hate…
February 1st, 2010 at 5:56 pmI hope she finds a way to help herself through this ordeal, as demeaning as it is..
divorced or not.
Conservatism is my Anti-drug says:
Next time don’t cheat on your husband you useless whore
FLAG.
Flag this idiotic comment for all it is worth.
Then ignore this waste of space.
February 1st, 2010 at 5:57 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I’m going to say something that may sound controversial here but bear with me:
denying coverage for pre-existing conditions is not entirely unfair for an insurance company to seek to do. We lose sight of the fact that an insurance company needs to be able to protect itself against policy-shopping once an illness or condition has been diagnosed. Without such protection, a consumer could be free to forego any coverage until it was needed, and then pay premiums that would never balance out the costs to the insurer of covering the policyholder.
Of course, the reason we lose sight of this is because insurance companies have so much power that they are able to turn such reasonable protections into unconscionable profit centers by cherry-picking only the healthiest among us.
That is one more reason why the free market does not work to efficiently provide health care to the people of this nation.
Health care is not a standard consumer commodity. It is a prudent policy for a civilized society, like law enforcement or education,. both of which are “socialized”.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:01 pmConservatism is my Anti-drug says:
“Next time don’t cheat on your husband you useless whore”
speaking of which, your wife will be home late again tonight, CAD. We’re working late.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:01 pmTORM – i was just thinking the same thing,
but about you.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:01 pmSPERM, is THAT what you guys call “compassionate conservatism”?
February 1st, 2010 at 6:01 pmI wonder what the opinion would be if this was a man trying to marry a woman for her health-care coverage, STORM and Olby Sucks…
February 1st, 2010 at 6:01 pmSo, gay people can’t get married because it would be an affront on traditional marriage and family values….but having to resort to (forgive me, but this is a pretty accurate description, unfortunately) what is essentially the moral, if not legal, equivalent of prostitution for the sake of having health insurance isn’t an affront to traditional marriage and family values?
I’m not insulting the woman….she’s doing what she has to do, and it’s pathetic that it has come to this for her.
Oh, yeah – dumbfcuk at #5 – stay classy, you useless sack of monkey shit.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:02 pmI’ve done a little reading on this since Fred brought up Terri Carlson earlier. One of the reports I read (not sure how accurate the information is because it was done in 2004).
February 1st, 2010 at 6:03 pmThere’s a joke in here some where.
Problem is it isn’t tasteful.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:03 pmEvery once in a while, along comes a thread that just is too much temptation for the trolls to bear, and they rip off their paper-bag masks and reveal the true classlessness and vileness of their character.
Then they slink back into their holes and pretend it never happened.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:05 pmOh, yeah – dumbfcuk at #5 – stay classy, you useless sack of monkey shit.
That goes for you too, STORM.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:05 pmMeanwhile, the CEO’s of the health insurance companies are being paid millions of dollars a year to screw over people like this woman while cheating on their own spouses in tropical destinies. Spit.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:06 pmWe have so much to offer for health reform. Consider our top idea, getting all sanctimonious on sick people.
But the libs iz shutting us out! Wah Wah Wah!
February 1st, 2010 at 6:06 pmAnd mosswrong falls right in line.
And for gods sake, mosswrong, tuck in those pajamas!
February 1st, 2010 at 6:06 pm21 – lil jimmy okeefe’s not involved in this story.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:07 pmWow…can’t you just feel the love and compassion in here?
February 1st, 2010 at 6:07 pm*giving you a V8 juice bonk to the forehead with a loaf of French bread*
February 1st, 2010 at 6:08 pmYes, the FACT that without proper medical care this woman’s body will attack itself and she is unable to get health care as a result is obviously a political ploy.
What a stupid excuse for a piece of crap you are. My dog leaves more intelligence and compassion on the lawn in tightly coiled piles than some of these trolls can manage to muster. Sick, disgusting bastards.
You people better hope that hell doesn’t exist.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:08 pmHow come the conservatives were eager to help Teri Shivo..was it because she was brain dead?
February 1st, 2010 at 6:10 pmralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:
Every once in a while, along comes a thread that just is too much temptation for the trolls to bear, and they rip off their paper-bag masks and reveal the true classlessness and vileness of their character.
Then they slink back into their holes and pretend it never happened.
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February 1st, 2010 at 6:10 pmSadly we had like three or four of those where they were just plain vile and it’s continuing this week. I’ve never seen anyone who had this disease but I’ve seen kids with lupis because as I kid while my mom was at work my friend Shawn’s mom would babysit us at the hospital. The serious cases of lupus had either open sores on their skin or scars as a result of the sores.
A perfect example of how our stupid pet trolls think. To them, all women are “whores” and “b!tches”. I’m guessing that much of it stems from the fact that no adult human female will ever show them the slightest bit of affection. Of course, they get that wrong too. They think it’s something wrong with women rather than their own glaring faults and vile nature.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:10 pmAmerica DOES have a universal health system. It’s called MEDICAID and it’s more expensive than Canada and Europe. I have a preexisting medical condition and thus no health insurance. I am expecting you taxpayers to pay my bill someday when I need medical treatment. I will simply file for bankruptcy and enter the Medicaid rolls. It will cost you more than actually reforming the system. It’s amazing tea baggers have no problem with that. LMAO!
February 1st, 2010 at 6:13 pmJudge not lest ye be judged. Satan is gonna have him some fun with this wingnut.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:14 pmFolks like STORM and Crackservative no longer bother to at least deny they wish for bad things to happen to these folks. They more your criticize them, the more they out themselves.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:14 pmThe sad part is she is one of the few who have managed to find at least a small loophole.
And the saddest part is that Americans need to look for a loophole to achieve health care.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:14 pmThat’s a constituency from which their most loyal recruits come. Witness our trolls.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:15 pmSomething is very wrong here.
I checked out her website and she wrote
“I would qualify for medi-cal , ssi or ssdi but I can’t get it . Why, because stay-at -home Mom’s raising children don’t pay into the fund to collect ssdi from the State of California. While I do qualify for SSI, the gouverment says I have too many ASSETS. I have a settlement from my divorce and I work from home for a disabled organization that provides jobs for people with disabilities.”
So which is she? a stay at home mom who isn’t employed or someone who works for a disablity organization who is employed?
Am I missing something?
February 1st, 2010 at 6:17 pmKayInMaine says:
*giving you a V8 juice bonk to the forehead with a loaf of French bread*
As a far-right republican, you know I enjoy your abuse, and that, too, goes for every troll who visits your site. I’m just open about it!
February 1st, 2010 at 6:18 pmHey, trolls, why don’t you brag about how the US can fight wars overseas to protect us while our citizens play whatever games they have to to get even a bit of health care?
Money for bombs and terrorists=cool.
Money for citizens paying taxes=bad.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:19 pmWow how low can the trolls go. I myself on the other hand when reading this thought to myself, ‘if I was in the position to help out Ms. Terri Carlson I would.’
February 1st, 2010 at 6:21 pmThe hatred that trolls have for women is digusting. In fact, their hatred for for gays, minorities, Hell, they seem to hate anyone who isn’t male and white.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:21 pmConservatism is my Anti-drug says:
This comment has been voted down. Click to read.
45-year-old mother and divorcee
Next time don’t cheat on your husband you useless whore
The statement of CAD is considered libel per se. I suggest that we all get together to sponsor a libel suit. We can start by demanding any evidence supporting CAD’s assertion be brought forth now. I also suggest that the site go back to trace the ISP and location of this person and provide it to MS. Carlson. Obviously, CAD will not be able to provide any reasonable basis for his allegation showing that the statement was made with malicious intent. There is no need for proof of actual damages with libel per se. Punitive damages would apply.
Now CAD put up or shut up. We can really make an example out of you.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:22 pmThe GOP plan allows the states to hump each other in order to offer more affordably spawned health coverage.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:22 pmAm I missing something?
Either a heart or a brain. Many people who are trying to do something fall into the cracks of SSI just because they are trying.
And SSI has nothing to do with health care.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:23 pmP.D. says:
The hatred that trolls have for women is digusting. In fact, their hatred for for gays, minorities, Hell, they seem to hate anyone who isn’t male and white.
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February 1st, 2010 at 6:24 pm…and only specific kinds of Christian Republicans/Conservatives. As if their group couldn’t get any smaller.
What the GOP REALLY means … says:
“The GOP plan allows the states to hump each other in order to offer more affordably spawned health coverage.”
Keep Alaska away from Little Rhody.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:27 pmYou trolls could have just left it at, “This is the free marketz at work!”. But noooooo.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:27 pmTerri Carlson, I’ll marry you anytime you want.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:28 pm#31- good point. Why aren’t Bush, Cheney, religious zealots, GOP “life-lovers”, etc. all jumping in to help this woman? Aren’t they all “pro-life”?? Apparently not. Given this story (& many others involving possible death or death due to lack of health care), their constant crying out as pro-war, their love of the death penalty, etc., I think it’s time to start calling this Repub/GOP/tea-bagger crowd “pro-death”. It sums up most of their beliefs quite well.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:30 pmcd says:
So which is she? a stay at home mom who isn’t employed or someone who works for a disablity organization who is employed?
Where did she say she was unemployed?
February 1st, 2010 at 6:32 pm31. realpatriot says:
Natural to gravitate to their own kind …
February 1st, 2010 at 6:33 pmJonathan Bell says:
There’s a name for this kind of arrangement: Prostitution.
Sorry butt breath but in my world it is called compassion.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:34 pmJonathan Bell says stupid shit.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:34 pmJonathan Bell says:
There’s a name for this kind of arrangement: Prostitution.
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February 1st, 2010 at 6:34 pmThere’s a name for you: Equus africanus asinus. Google it.
That’s no way to talk to your daughter you dumb phucktard!
February 1st, 2010 at 6:37 pmVDT.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:37 pmIt’s sad that people are reduced to such actions to get access to the health care they need.
I would be concerned that she would get married for the health insurance, only to have her new hubby (in name only) lose his health care coverage. That would be a pickle.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:38 pmIf I had health insurance I would adopt her.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:39 pmJonathon Bell is a Radical Feminist:
Marriage = Prostitution
February 1st, 2010 at 6:39 pmMy last 9-5 job, a woman took a low paying hourly position with a 2 hr commute each way because her out of work husband had diabetes and they simply couldn’t afford to live without some form of insurance. Keep in mind this was over ten years ago when a slight few INS companies would cover pre-existing conditions IF you met strict rules, like not going without insurance EVER, like having been diagosed while covered, etc.
An absolute shame.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:41 pmGary Herstein says:
Jonathon Bell is a Radical Feminist:
Marriage = Prostitution
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February 1st, 2010 at 6:41 pmHaha. :D
February 1st, 2010 at 6:43 pm
Lefty Liberal say,
February 1st, 2010 at 6:43 pmHaha. They went berserk earlier in the thread…I noticed a lot of people were being voted down (and not just on this thread).
Conservativism is my drugs
and idiocy is your nature, dumb-f..k!
February 1st, 2010 at 6:44 pmI don’t think “lame duck” means what mosswrong thinks it means…
of course, I bet there are a lot of terms that mean things other than what mosswrong thinks they mean.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:44 pmOh you trolls! LOL
February 1st, 2010 at 6:46 pmJonathan Bell says:
Study finds focus on abstinence in sex-ed classes can delay sexual activity
The focus of that study is so narrow that it absolutely is not generalizable.
Idiot. You didn’t even read that article.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:46 pmJonathan Bell says:
“Study finds focus on abstinence in sex-ed classes can delay sexual activity…”
Until it’s too late.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:46 pmJudge not lest ye be judged. Boy, they put it in the Bible, and the preacher talks about it every Sunday, but Jonathan still doesn’t understand. May God take pity on Jonathan’s worthless soul.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:47 pmmosswrong is not just content to plagiarize Rasmussen and Olbermann-obsessed sites; it also must steal material from progressive posters.
I guess that’s what happens when the free market of intellect sorts you out as one of life’s losers, impoverished of ideas and begging for attention.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:47 pmThe stupid trolls continue to build the body of evidence that Reichwhiners Believe the only legitimate reason for marriage is procreation. Plus the secondary goal of providing men with a live-in sex slave.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:47 pmWell, one thing is for sure….what Terry is doing is not uncommon, because as of right now, one in two marriages ends in divorce, so that means one in two marriages are the product of people marrying each other for the hell of it all to benefit somehow!
February 1st, 2010 at 6:48 pmJonathan Bell says:
Study finds focus on abstinence in sex-ed classes can delay sexual activity
Is that the same study that found abstinence only sex-ed increased sodomy by a factor of 6 and increased teen pregnancies? Oops!
February 1st, 2010 at 6:48 pmmosswright says:
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Hey, turnabout is fair play. You could try to find enough friends to vote us down.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:49 pmmosswright says:
The trolls are so childish…sheesh
Add thin skinned, whiny, and retarded to the list when you’re here patsy…
February 1st, 2010 at 6:50 pmBy the way, the wheels on the Scott Brown bus are starting to come off. People were calling right winger Howie Carr’s radio show (Boston, Mass) today to say they don’t like some of the answers ole Scotty Messiah is giving to….*gasp*…Barbara Walters! In fact, they don’t like that he even did an interview with her. Even Howie Carr seem to have reservations about Scotty but then perked himself up when he paused to think of Scotty naked!
February 1st, 2010 at 6:50 pmLefty Liberal says:
I just got back home after being gone most of the afternoon, so I haven’t seen what the trolls are up to. I noticed on this thread you and a few others had negative votes so I spent a few minutes to vote everyone back up.
The trolls are so childish…sheesh…
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Thank you. They pull this VDT shit every time they say something horrible and we bust them on it…it’s sad but expected.
As I was saying above…one would hope that if the trolls were victims or saw victims of lupus they would have more sympathy for this poor woman. I doubt they could feel compassion for anyone but themselves…individual rights mean nothing more than “ME…ME…ME…and only ME!” to them.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:50 pmWhat a bunch of liteal losers those repulicans and their asswipe trolls are. No wonder they have nothing better to do with their sorry-assed lives!
February 1st, 2010 at 6:50 pmHey mosswright!
How was Beck? Feel like answering any questions from before?
What other names have you posted under?
Thanks!
February 1st, 2010 at 6:50 pmLame duck=mossy’s idea of a hot date.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:51 pmIt’s not a secret: REPUBLICANS HATE WOMEN. The End.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:51 pmmosswright says:
63, Thank God for lame duck presidents and spineless democrats. ;)
LOL! Why are we talking about Bush and his great depression? You do realize that “lame duck” has a specific meaning even though you are misusing the term? Right patsy?
LOL! Never mind, for a second I thought I was talking to a “human being” and not a f*kkkwad horse fluffer… ZZzzz…
February 1st, 2010 at 6:51 pmmosswright says:
Hey, turnabout is fair play.
Code for progressive hypocrisy…;)
Code for republican projection…;)
February 1st, 2010 at 6:52 pmIn no other developed country would a woman feel like she was forced to marry someone, even if she didn’t love them, just to be able to get decent health care coverage.
or NOT get divorced to keep from losing health insurance…
even though living apart… and i was lucky he went along with that…
the situation has surely been brought up here…
good luck, terri…
February 1st, 2010 at 6:52 pmTranslation: it’s no fair for you to use the same tactics on us that we use on you! No fair, I tell ya!
February 1st, 2010 at 6:53 pmThe new study involved 662 African-American students
LOL! The study only involved a small sample of students from one cultural subset of Americans and pretends it’s conclusive! What a bunch of dishonest f*KKKwads.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:54 pmLefty Liberal says:
I’m not sure they even feel compassion for themselves. If they did, they wouldn’t constantly vote against their own best interest.
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February 1st, 2010 at 6:55 pmMaybe its a combination of blind rage and stupidity on a level that one couldn’t meet without the use of a 18-pack of beer, a sixty bag of pot and your friends taking turns pounding on your skull with a hammer.
Jonathan, I think we’ve already asked you once to desist from blurting out your sexual fantasies here. This is a political blog, man. Get it together.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:55 pmYeah, I know how she feels. My 46 year old daughter, with 2 teenage sons, was divorced 1 1/2 years ago and has had a series of health problems. Her ex refuses to insure the boys, and after a series of health problems (chronic pain from multiple carpel tunnel surgeries, a nerve problem with her shoulder, a cancerous kidney removal, a heart difibulator installation, debillitated tendons in a big toe and surgery to install a metal device to hold the toe on), the insurance she had just for herself that she was paying $550 a month for with a $7500 deductible has notified her they are cancelling her in April due to the fact she has reached the lifetime cap on expenditures. So, she is divorced with 2 teenage boys, a big house to take care of, unable to get a job because of her physical conditions, existing on $2600 a month spousal & child support, and no possibility of getting any more insurance (pre-existing conditions, naturally). Guess she’s just out of luck.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:56 pmNakedness get you uptight, bell boy?
February 1st, 2010 at 6:56 pmSeveral critics of abstinence-only approach argued that the curriculum tested was not representative of most abstinence programs. It did not take on a moralistic tone as many abstinence programs do. Most notably, the sessions encouraged children to delay sex until they are ready, not necessarily until they were married, did not portray sex outside of marriage as never appropriate or disparage condoms.
LOL! That’s right folks, the KKKristian f*KKKwads “altered” the study all of the way through to “fix the facts”. This wasn’t an objective study, it was nothing more than an unscientific religious propaganda gaming of the system. Exactly what you’d expect from lying conservatives.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:56 pmJonathan Bell says:
February 1st, 2010 at 6:54 pm
You are now being FLAGGED on sight.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:56 pmJonathan Bell says:
What’s your plan for getting this woman health insurance?
Thanks.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:56 pmShe needs every advantage she can get. She should be taking doses of 5000IU Vitamin D3 daily. If she weighs less then 120 pounds – 4000 IU daily.
Vitamin D3 is not a vitamin – it’s a very special hormone – a steroid hormone and it regulates the immune system – it turns it on and off.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:57 pmVitamin D3 is NOT toxic.
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noseeum… brought to you by Warmer Weather says:
Nakedness get you uptight, bell boy?
Fixed. :)
February 1st, 2010 at 6:57 pmYou’ll have to excuse our guest… I found this youtube video of him, and it appears he’s dealing with a lot of issues.
Sorry, Jonathan. Anything we can do to help?
February 1st, 2010 at 6:59 pmJonathan Bell says:
Explain how not teaching kids about being safe is YOUR problem and illness is not?
Is that the Christian thing to do?
February 1st, 2010 at 6:59 pmMultiple “scientific” studies have shown that areas with abstinence only sex education have a higher rate of STDs and pregnancies. The claim that this is the “first study” on the effects of abstinence only education is the clearest sign of GOP propaganda from the start.
February 1st, 2010 at 6:59 pmEvery Sunday I pray to the Lord that conservatives get cancer. Amen.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:00 pmJonathan Bell says:
belaccifer lacca, not my problem.
You’re the problem, you terrorist f**kkkwad lunatic.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:00 pmThese trolls are anything but ‘Christian’.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:00 pmRalph-kinda related to your post @114. Peanut butter proves God exists.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:00 pmJB is a typical teabagging hick “Christian”.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:01 pmWow, now the vote downs begin.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:02 pm@ gummitch — this space for rent says:
“I would qualify for medi-cal , ssi or ssdi but I can’t get it . Why, because stay-at -home Mom’s raising children don’t pay into the fund to collect ssdi from the State of California.”
My understanding is that if your legally imployed in california they tax your income and that goes into ssdi I think there are a few exceptions but I doubt she’s one of them.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:02 pmP.D. says:
These trolls are anything but ‘Christian’.
I wish that were true, but “Christianity” is just as full of evil in its teachings as it is good. That’s what happens when “men” create works of morality. It’s just as flawed as the men that wrote it.
The ‘Christian’ teachings promote war, misogyny, homophobia, rape and even incest. They also promote kindness, forgiveness, peace and love – but these “dark Christians” never care about those aspects of the teachings.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:02 pmLefty Liberal says:
Damm, if that is what it takes to understand them, then I’ll pass! Except for the beer and pot that is… :)
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February 1st, 2010 at 7:02 pmHaha. They can keep the hammers. In fact I’ll be nice enough to give them a claw hammer but only if they use the hammer claw…only.
“”The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’”
Matthew 25:40
February 1st, 2010 at 7:03 pmCarlson told CBS that some people have accused her of being part of a left-wing conspiracy by using her case to illustrate the need for health reform…
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Yes, the righties would much prefer that people who are caught on the wrong end of our joke of a health care delivery system remain invisible. It’s much easier when they don’t have to look at actual people who are getting screwed.
It seems to me that it would be far more constructive for the defenders of the current status quo to suggest some way that this woman can get health insurance she can afford. But instead, she gets derided for being part of a left-wing conspiracy, our trolls here call her a whore and a prostitute, and she has been reduced to making a mockery of marriage just because she has this crazy idea that she has a right to live.
OK, trolls — what SHOULD she do to get health care? Or do you really believe she should just go off and die quietly?
February 1st, 2010 at 7:03 pmJonathan Bell says:
Why don’t you people try to get serious about this subject instead of acting like a bunch of pot smoking hedonists at some hippie love-in? What is wrong with you?
Why don’t you people try to become human instead of acting like a bunch of meth addled religious terrorists? What is wrong with you, you ignorant f*kkkwad?
February 1st, 2010 at 7:03 pmMaking love not war is what separates the repugs from the rest of humanity. J. Bell fails again
February 1st, 2010 at 7:04 pmJonathan Bell says:
Why don’t you people try to get serious about this subject instead of acting like a bunch of pot smoking hedonists at some hippie love-in? What is wrong with you?
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What’s serious to you God boy? If you’re willing to mock the victim and then play the victim…you’re a little b!tch not a man.
And isn’t judging someone a serious offense according to your bible?
February 1st, 2010 at 7:04 pmJB, aka, Mark Koldys, why don’t you go play in the freeway? You won’t be missed.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:04 pmbizarro, that peanut butter clip was powerful. I totally believe now that evolution is a crock.
Thanks, brother.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:04 pmhttp://www.devilsweb.com/snakeoil/scream.htm
I hope that’s not him, ralph…
February 1st, 2010 at 7:04 pmbizarrobrain (Sponsored by Tysons chicken in a tube!) says:
And isn’t judging someone a serious offense according to your bible?
LOL! Like right wing taliban terrorists actually know what’s in their little book of bible quack? LOL! ;)
February 1st, 2010 at 7:05 pmOkay then, JB, let’s work on this together instead of calling us names.
What would you be doing if this WAS your problem?
February 1st, 2010 at 7:05 pmJonathan Bell says:
What is wrong with you?
Not my problem…
February 1st, 2010 at 7:06 pmbelac, I wouldn’t be surprised.
but the disturbing thing is: even if it’s not the Screaming Boy, it’s probably someone who admires the Screaming Boy.
Try getting a good night’s sleep with that rolling around in your head.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:06 pmJonathan Bell says:
this is just awful and a terrible example to boot.
Condemnation from a terrorist sympathizer? Ouch that really hurt!!! LOL!
You cowards are all alike, nothing but thin skinned hypocrites and d**chebags.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:06 pmJonathan Bell says:
this is just awful and a terrible example to boot.
Not my problem.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:07 pmralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:
bizarro, that peanut butter clip was powerful. I totally believe now that evolution is a crock.
Thanks, brother.
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February 1st, 2010 at 7:07 pmGood to see we have another believer. Join us at our ‘Al Gore’s Full of It (because it’s cold outside)’ pot-luck next week./snark
ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:
“You’ll have to excuse our guest…”
OMG.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:07 pmI had no idea.
125. Jonathan Bell says:
Childish pukes like you intrude on the conversation and attempt to hijack it with your infantile ideological drivel.
Was that a clear enough answer for your question, or did I use too many big words for you to follow?
February 1st, 2010 at 7:07 pmPoor little f*KKKwad doesn’t think “she’s” the causes of the responses she gets! LOL! Yep, that’s the party of “personal responsibility” I’ve become so fond of! LOL! ;)
February 1st, 2010 at 7:07 pmLefty Liberal says:
bizarrobrain (Sponsored by Tysons chicken in a tube!) says:
ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:
bizarro, that peanut butter clip was powerful. I totally believe now that evolution is a crock.
Thanks, brother.
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Good to see we have another believer. Join us at our ‘Al Gore’s Full of It (because it’s cold outside)’ pot-luck next week./snark
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I’ll bring the ice ;)
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February 1st, 2010 at 7:09 pmI’ll bring the kitte–er…beef stew.
why do righties want the rest of the world to be so much better than us at stuff like delivering healthcare to those who need it? and education. and infrastructure. and transportation. and energy policy. and…and…and…
February 1st, 2010 at 7:10 pm139. Lefty Liberal says:
The grade would depend on whether you actually thought it was cogent or not. Horrible examples are always useful to dissect in class.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:10 pmJonathan Bell says:
I don’t know anyone name Mark Koldys.
Not my problem.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:10 pmJonathan Bell says:
I don’t know anyone name Mark Koldys.
You don’t know yourself? Shocking!
February 1st, 2010 at 7:11 pmJonathan Bell says:
Do you know anything?
Have anything to say on the deplorable state of our country’s health care system?
Thanks!
February 1st, 2010 at 7:11 pmJonathan Bell says:
“I don’t know anyone name Mark Koldys.”
Do you know anyone named Pat Robertson?
February 1st, 2010 at 7:12 pmLefty Liberal says:
ROFLMAO!
ps: I was drinking a coke while reading that…you owe me a new keyboard…
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February 1st, 2010 at 7:13 pm:D haha. As I’ve said before all church events are BYOK (Brink Your Own Kitten) events.
*Bring*
February 1st, 2010 at 7:13 pmbelaccifer lacca says:
Do you know anything?
Apparently he “knows” this woman is a prostitute. What does that tell us about this idiot?
February 1st, 2010 at 7:13 pmcd says:
@ gummitch — this space for rent says:
“I would qualify for medi-cal , ssi or ssdi but I can’t get it . Why, because stay-at -home Mom’s raising children don’t pay into the fund to collect ssdi from the State of California.”
My understanding is that if your legally imployed in california they tax your income and that goes into ssdi I think there are a few exceptions but I doubt she’s one of them.
There are all sorts of “employed” situations in which the “employer” doesn’t withhold any taxes (state, federal, FICA) from your check. It’s also quite possible that the “stay at home mom” described her while she was still married, in which case she wasn’t then working and definitely wasn’t contributing anything to Social Security.
Qualifying for SDI is incredibly difficult. Everyone I’ve ever spoken with who was getting a check was turned down when they initially supplied, even with conditions like MS. After a year of attempts, they hire a lawyer who specializes in SDI, get approved and turn over a big chunk of the money to the attorney. But, again, if you haven’t had a regular job, you haven’t been contributing to SS and you get nothing back.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:13 pmat this stage in the game,
not only have all our allies bested us,
3/3 of the Axis powers have, too.
(and it wasn’t through the hysterical application of conservatism, before any of you righty dolts try that move)
February 1st, 2010 at 7:14 pm124. cd says
As a stay at home working via the internet, there’s a very good chance that she is actually on the books as an “outside contractor,” rather than an actual employee. This is only a guess, of course. But from my own experiences with such work, no taxes are taken out.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:14 pmI’m there. I can bring some hamburger from beef raised on a cleared-out rain forest in Brazil if that’s cool.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:15 pmWow. You can post drivel while you’re defiling teen-age girls?
Impressive.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:16 pmJonathan Bell says:
While you people were laughing about peanut butter another teen age girl has become pregnant.
Certainly not by you, so — not your problem.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:16 pmjust the bleepn facts says:
bizarrobrain (Sponsored by Tysons chicken in a tube!) says:
And isn’t judging someone a serious offense according to your bible?
LOL! Like right wing taliban terrorists actually know what’s in their little book of bible quack? LOL! ;)
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February 1st, 2010 at 7:16 pmOf course not. And they’re not going to take any advice that might help them “spiritually.” Fundamentalist Christianity is just a vicious cycle of the blind and stupid leading the blind and stupid.
You don’t know how right you are, the old fart is rather obese and it would be difficult to miss him even if you drove up on the shoulder of the highway.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:17 pmJonathan Bell says:
Dude, while you were being an idiot another person died due to lack of health insurance… 6 an hour! Thanks, Jonathon!
February 1st, 2010 at 7:18 pmralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:
I’m there. I can bring some hamburger from beef raised on a cleared-out rain forest in Brazil if that’s cool.
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February 1st, 2010 at 7:20 pmEven better…we’ve been funded by Exxon. We’re the first mega-church to be on an oil rig! Eventually we’ll expand to Brazil and then maybe China once we take care of that pesky panda problem. Yes it’s been the Fundamentalists killing the pandas (thus breaking their spirits–hence no reproduction).
165. Jonathan Bell says:
That’s what happens when you don’t use enough peanut butter.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:20 pmLefty Liberal says:
ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:
bizarrobrain (Sponsored by Tysons chicken in a tube!) says:
But only if you cook it over a fire made from a giant redwood tree.
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February 1st, 2010 at 7:21 pmGood idea…panda steaks with a nice redwood smokey flavor.
Reggie, sponsored by Brawndo ™ says:
You don’t know how right you are, the old fart is rather obese and it would be difficult to miss him even if you drove up on the shoulder of the highway.
You just described the entire GOP! Those sad old f*kkkers are just pathetic and desperate to get laid before they die off. The fear of death and potential punishment for their “inner evil” drives them to try to “control others” as penance for their own sins. It’s so psychotic and disgusting..
February 1st, 2010 at 7:22 pmGary Herstein says:
165. Jonathan Bell says:
While you people were laughing about peanut butter another teen age girl has become pregnant.
That’s what happens when you don’t use enough peanut butter.
If jane koldys and the rest of her brigade of retards allowed those girls to get proper s*x education they would try to use peanut butter as a birth control measure! ;)
February 1st, 2010 at 7:23 pmOh, I prefer polar bear steaks. Even better if they’re shot from a helicopter.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:25 pmralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:
Jonathan Bell says:
While you people were laughing about peanut butter another teen age girl has become pregnant.
Wow. You can post drivel while you’re defiling teen-age girls?
Shoot, ralph, I was going to give you the credit for knocking teenagers up. Clearly, those of us commenting at TP are responsible and I figured a llama was the modern take on Leda and the swan. “Oooh, you’re so cute and soft and WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO MY LEG?!”
February 1st, 2010 at 7:25 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Gary wins.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:25 pm“But only if you cook it over a fire made from a giant redwood tree.”
Check the upper branches for spotted owls, and save me the thighs.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:26 pmLefty Liberal says:
February 1st, 2010 at 7:26 pmWhat about desert?
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Can you make ice-cream out of endangered animals? A rare Macaw would be an interesting treat.
Jonathan Bell says:
Meanwhile female members of PETA are sleeping with teenage boys who sign pledge cards promising to become vegetarians.
Do you have a link? Or a sign up sheet?
February 1st, 2010 at 7:27 pmMr. Dupe loses.
Again.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:27 pmralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:
Oh, I prefer polar bear steaks. Even better if they’re shot from a helicopter.
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February 1st, 2010 at 7:27 pmOr mix it up every once in a while and cut down a tree on a panda. You know for panda-cakes for breakfast.
Mark Koldys rapes small animals.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:28 pmThat Jonathan Bell is one crazy mofo, ain’t he?
February 1st, 2010 at 7:29 pmJonathan Bell says:
I hate to admit it, the fundy troll is right.
Abstinence sex-ed classes do delay sexual activity, unfortunately the delay only lasts until the class is over.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:29 pmMark Koldys wears diapers for fun.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:29 pmWow, peanut butter is a contraceptive?
February 1st, 2010 at 7:29 pmMr.Duke says:
I find the “pre-existing” condition interesting. …
Then maybe you should learn what it means…
February 1st, 2010 at 7:30 pmLefty Liberal says:
Good idea…panda steaks with a nice redwood smokey flavor.
YUMMMMM….
What about desert?
I don’t believe they have pandas in the desert, no.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:30 pmI guess we can number the Pukester in the camp of; “if you can’t afford insurance, don’t get sick or just die quickly”.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:30 pmHoodathunk(sponsored by Scroomall Health Corp) says:
Wow, peanut butter is a contraceptive?
Placed creatively, it discourages intercourse entirely.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:31 pmFebruary 1st, 2010 at 7:31 pm
Jonathan Bell says:
Meanwhile female members of PETA are sleeping with teenage boys who sign pledge cards promising to become vegetarians. Does the word “scruples” ring a bell with any of you people?
Teenage? You mean under 18? Because that would be a crime, but we both know it’s just right wing slander and smear from you domestic terrorists.
What shows no scruples is someone breaking a “10 commandment” by “bearing false witness”. That would be a “go to h*ll” sin there princess. Burn baby burn is all I can say!
By the way, the XTian bible tells people to go vegetarian, why do you hate Xtianity bible quack terrorist?
February 1st, 2010 at 7:31 pmMark Koldys wears his mother’s soiled panties.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:32 pmHoodathunk(sponsored by Scroomall Health Corp) says:
Wow, peanut butter is a contraceptive?
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February 1st, 2010 at 7:32 pmWhat does that make jelly? An aphrodisiac?
And if I were to hazard a guess, I’d say he’d be rooting for the latter.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:32 pmLefty Liberal says:
I calculated wrong, I believe it is actually 10 an hour… Jonathon? Thoughts?
February 1st, 2010 at 7:32 pmGod bless this lady I wish her good luck and good health.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:33 pmgummitch — this space for rent says:
Lefty Liberal says:
Good idea…panda steaks with a nice redwood smokey flavor.
YUMMMMM….
What about desert?
I don’t believe they have pandas in the desert, no.
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Thanks for the spelling correcting gummitch. You’re right…they couldn’t survive.
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Lefty Liberal says:
I just get the coke (mostly) cleaned up, and you have to go and post that! Dude, get that new keyboard in the mail – NOW!
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February 1st, 2010 at 7:35 pmHaha my bad :)
Proverbs 20: 23 Be not among the winebibbers nor the riotous eaters of animal flesh.
Genesis 1: 29 Behold I have given you herb yielding seed. To you it shall be for food.
Genesis 9: 4-5 Flesh shall ye not eat
Tell me johnnie retard, why did yahweh hate meat eaters again?
February 1st, 2010 at 7:35 pmMr.Duke says:
I find the “pre-existing” condition interesting.
Too bad you don’t understand anything about it.
You do realize, no well obviously not, but… in any other developed country the question of a pre-existing condition is moot, because everyone is covered cradle to grave.
People get sick. It happens. Really selfish people like you just want to push the sick people out on an ice floe.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:35 pmJohnnyBell
You are a stupid, brainwashed pile of dogshit. STFU bigot
February 1st, 2010 at 7:35 pmMan, Jonathon… I could really use that PETA link ’cause I’ve googled everything I could think of and I can’t even find right wing crazies who’ve posted anything that batshit insane yet.
Where’d you hear it?
February 1st, 2010 at 7:36 pmLefty Liberal says:
More likely Koldys is jealous because he isn’t getting the teenage boys.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:36 pmWhat does that make jelly? An aphrodisiac?
Depends on what kind. Seeds can be irritating.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:36 pmEzekiel 3 and 4: My body has never been contaminated by animal flesh.
Wow, meat is a “contaminant”? Tell us johnnie blueballs, what else have you contaminated your body with? Meth? Manwh*res? ;)
February 1st, 2010 at 7:37 pmbelaccifer lacca says:
Where’d you hear it?
She overheard the butcher at the piggly wiggly trashing all of those subversive evil liberal vegetarians… ;)
February 1st, 2010 at 7:38 pmMr.Duke says:
I find the “pre-existing” condition interesting.
Not bad from a prehistoric sense. Does stupid qualify?
February 1st, 2010 at 7:38 pmbelaccifer lacca says:
February 1st, 2010 at 7:39 pmThis is the closest thing to whatever the hell the troll is b!tching about…no sex involved. It’s a band from the UK.
Jonathan Bell says:
Meanwhile female members of PETA are sleeping with teenage boys who sign pledge cards promising to become vegetarians.
You’re just jealous because you slept with a Teamster…for free.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:39 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Hoodathunk(sponsored by Scroomall Health Corp) says:
Wow, peanut butter is a contraceptive?
Dual purpose: It’s a contraceptive AND an incentive program!
;)
February 1st, 2010 at 7:41 pmYou’ve got the brains, bizzaro… I’ve got the lacca… let’s make lots of money.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:41 pmHoodathunk(sponsored by Scroomall Health Corp) says:
What does that make jelly? An aphrodisiac?
Depends on what kind. Seeds can be irritating.
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February 1st, 2010 at 7:41 pmSmuckers I guess would be the stuff for the normal people while the rich people use alcoholic jelly called wine jelly.
belaccifer lacca,
February 1st, 2010 at 7:42 pmYou’ve got the brains, bizzaro… I’ve got the lacca… let’s make lots of money.
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Sweet :)
Dooky doesn’t understand that just because he needs external validation to accomplish anything — even getting to the toilet in a timely fashion — that not everyone operates that way.
**eyes rolling**
February 1st, 2010 at 7:42 pmThe drain on money and resources will not allow it.
The U.S. spends the MOST per capita and in actual dollars of ANY nation.
Medical innovation, a USA strong point that benefits all the other countries too, will not flourish in a cradle-to-the-grave environment, either.
Tell that to all the researchers in Japan, Germany, France, Switzerland… etc. etc.
The innovations that our system is good at producing mostly have to do with boners, or lack there of.
Almost everything else comes from PUBLIC UNIVERSITY research for the basic patents.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:44 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
A local specialty hereabouts is green chili jelly.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:45 pmIt’s hot!
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When you grow up and get some real life experience you will understand that liberal economics are an utter failure. Always good intentions. Always horrible results.
Right, explain how we spend THE MOST on health care and receive far from complete coverage then?
Thanks.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:45 pmMr.Duke says:
Always horrible results.
*yawn*
February 1st, 2010 at 7:45 pm*opens file cabinet dry bar*
February 1st, 2010 at 7:47 pm*drink*
Mr.Duke says:
I don’t work for free. It doesn’t pay the bills.
You’re also not doing any innovating, AND you’re not the only person on the planet.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:47 pmMr.Duke says:
February 1st, 2010 at 7:47 pm“When you grow up and get some real life experience you will understand that liberal economics are an utter failure. Always good intentions. Always horrible results.”
Mr. Dupe never got an allowance.
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Mr Duke
My GOD you are stupid. You just spew out the stupidest most cliched ignorance I have ever seen. When you grow a BRAIN if that ever happens you will realize just how stupid you are and die of embarassment
February 1st, 2010 at 7:49 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Mr. Duke?
Does she deserve care or not?
Thanks.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:49 pmI don’t know… maybe taking by force a resource-rich continent that is blessed with fortunate geography allowing it to escape the kind of destruction that wide-scale warfare visited several times upon the industrial facilities of our chief competitors?
Sure, an entrepreneurial spirit doesn’t hurt, but you gotta start with the resources, right?
Oh, and given the nation’s current financial condition, I’d refrain from crowing about how we’re “the most powerful economic force of all time”. At least until President Obama fixes all the damage that BushCo wrought
February 1st, 2010 at 7:50 pmMr.Duke says:
All of the liberals on this website are free to give part or all of their paychecks to the lady in question, so she can get her medical condition paid for. You can help her. You are free to do it. … But you will not.
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February 1st, 2010 at 7:50 pm1) Where do I send the money?
2) In the long run it would be cheaper and more moral to work towards health-care reform so people don’t have to look for loopholes like this woman.
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Mr.Duke says a bunch of stupid shit…
You are free to keep all of your money stuffed inside a mattress, and never help anyone EVER. You are also free to stop pissing and moaning about EVERYTHING, and help get this country in order. You can help. You are free to do it. … But you will not.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:50 pmMr Duke and all the cons are free to continue to spew the ignorant talking points they were brainwashed with you Limborg MORON, and expose how stupid, soulless, and heartless they are. Meanwhile you are also free to TRY to convince liberals to chip in so THEY can dodge their societal obligation. Good luck with that.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:51 pmNice. A subtle Pet Shop Boys reference…
February 1st, 2010 at 7:51 pmMr.Duke says:
Does she deserve care?
February 1st, 2010 at 7:51 pmYes or no?
The favored wingnut “solution”:
simplistic, temporary and inefficient.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:51 pmMr Duke
I know it seems foriegn to soulless pigs like you but I have given people like her money for medical reasons before. I know it appeals to a selfish soulles minion of Satan like you to get liberals to give so YOU can dodge your societal obligations. Why dont you pack up and take all your libertarian buddies to an island somewhere and let us televise you re-enacting the Lord of the Flies
February 1st, 2010 at 7:53 pmMr.Duke says:
Give the lady your money, Zooey. You silly, mindless liberal. … That is if you have any money. LOL.
Sorry, I wish I could help her out. I used to have more money than you ever dreamed of having, but decided to buy myself a university education.
Something that would be entirely lost on you.
It’s only money. I’ll make more.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:55 pmJonathan Bell says:
Not getting any part of my paycheck.
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February 1st, 2010 at 7:55 pmNo shit. She can’t even get sympathy from you. Piss off b!tch boy.
Jonathan Bell says:
Not getting any part of my paycheck.
Hey, can I get that link to the PETA story?
Or even a place to find it?
I’m interested!
Hey, is it fake? Like you?
February 1st, 2010 at 7:55 pmJohnnyBell
Those nickles you get blowing crackheads on skidrow wont help her that much.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:55 pmI have to thank mr. Dupe for bolding all of his responses to comments.
it makes it that much easier to skip his drivel.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:55 pmMatthew 25:40
February 1st, 2010 at 7:56 pmJonathan Bell says:
Not getting any part of my paycheck.
Not my problem.
February 1st, 2010 at 7:56 pmLefty
Well by paycheck he means nickles and being inbred and toothless helps in his chosen profession
February 1st, 2010 at 7:57 pmlefty
Yeah but skidrow crackheads are desperate
February 1st, 2010 at 8:01 pmWho said anything about a “handout” or giving this lady anything? The issue is that she can’t get single coverage at any price.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:03 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Mr. Dupe sez:
“…not entitled to health care per our laws.”
We’re working on that.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:09 pm;)
Jonathan Bell says:
Not getting any part of my paycheck.
Spoken just like HeyZeus! LOL! You’re just another “compassionate” greedy selfish little terrorist I can see…
February 1st, 2010 at 8:09 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
First of all, those words aren’t in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. You’re thinking of the Declaration of Independence.
However, this is in the Bill of Rights… #9:
Ninth Amendment – Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Wow. So I ask again, does she deserve care?
February 1st, 2010 at 8:10 pmJonathan Bell,
February 1st, 2010 at 8:11 pmWhat case?
Jonathan Bell says:
Oh, don’t rest without providing that evidence, please! The link to the PETA stuff?
Have that?
February 1st, 2010 at 8:12 pmMr.Duke says:
LOL! Very “conservative” of you little tard. More parsing of the “letter of the law” instead of actually caring for what’s “right” to do. This is classic conservative retard thinking where the “rules” apply to everyone else, but never apply to you. How pathetic and how predictable. You are a shameful little d**chebag.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:12 pmMr Duke
You are INCREDIBLY stupid and brainwashed. The constitution says it is the federal govs responsibility to promote the general wellfare. WHAT that means is a DEMOCRATIC decision NOT YOURS. I know I am wasting my time since you are too stupid to understand pretty much anything and just regurgitate what Rush tells you to think but we ABSOLUTLY do not need a constitutional amendment for the government to provide healthcare. If we did Medicare would be unconstitutional. It is just astonishing how stupid and brainwashed you are
February 1st, 2010 at 8:13 pmThere is something very obscene in the fact a corrupt business such as the HC insurers have the capability to deny all health care paths… that the only way to health care for too many is the route of HC insurers. Something is very wrong that a private industry has it all sewn up for them.
Pre Reagan days, wasn’t there the county hospital where one could go to if one did not have HC insurance?
February 1st, 2010 at 8:13 pmralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:
I have to thank mr. Dupe for bolding all of his responses to comments.
it makes it that much easier to skip his drivel.
Not just bold, but also italic. Not only does it make them easier to spot, but much more difficult to read if anyone chose to.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:13 pmMr.Duke says:
“How is that going for you?”
Making progress.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:14 pmJohnnyBell
You dont HAVE a case. You also dont have a brain, critical thinkings skills, a heart or a soul
February 1st, 2010 at 8:14 pminnit cute,
February 1st, 2010 at 8:15 pmnow johnny bell has a little friend. johnny, meet mr puke. mr puke meet johnny. now you two run along and hold hands while watching boo-hoo glenda becky or something…
As currently written the USA constitution says she DOES NOT deserve care.
Where?
Let’s revisit the ninth amendment, shall we?
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
How about the preamble itself?
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Thoughts, Duke?
February 1st, 2010 at 8:15 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness
So why would you deny her LIFE then?
February 1st, 2010 at 8:16 pmten bucks says neither johnny nor mr puke are insured and their primary care physician is the emergency room
February 1st, 2010 at 8:16 pmJonathan Bell says:
I rest my case.
The case that says you confuse your “profane and hateful actions” with “profane language” that condemns your sh*t for brains retarded posts? Then if that’s your only evidence, case is over, and I rule you having “lost your case”. Care to try again loser?
February 1st, 2010 at 8:16 pmIsn’t it funny how Jonathan Bell acts as if I never cited Matthew 25:40 in commenting on his posts here, yet he seems so fascinated by rude language that he is willing to repost it when directed at him?
February 1st, 2010 at 8:16 pmMr.Duke says:
No. Where does it say “she deserves (entitled) to health care in our laws. Where? Not some general flimflam answer. HEALTH CARE IS A LEGAL RIGHT. … I don’t see it. Therefore, unfortunately, for her, NO. The 9th amendment doesn’t say “she is entitled to health care.”
Speech used to not be a right either, you conservative extremists never change…
February 1st, 2010 at 8:17 pmMr Duke
You are too stupid to be taken seriously. Where does it say we have an FBI? An Air Force? CDC? Just STFU. You are just spewing the stupid you were brainwashed with and havent the foggiest idea what you are talking about
February 1st, 2010 at 8:17 pmMr.Duke says:
No. Where does it say “she deserves (entitled) to health care in our laws. Where?
No. Where does it say she doesn’t and isn’t entitled to? Where?
February 1st, 2010 at 8:18 pmThe 9th amendment doesn’t say “she is entitled to health care.”
Nope. It doesn’t… but you said you couldn’t find HEALTHCARE as a ‘right’ in the Constitution, so it can’t be one.
What does the 9th say?
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Oops! Constitutional FAIL, Duke.
Care to tackle the Preamble?
General welfare?
February 1st, 2010 at 8:18 pmJonathan Bell says:
I rest my case.
Not my problem.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:18 pmDo you have health insurance, Mr. Dupe?
February 1st, 2010 at 8:18 pmWhat is your monthly premium?
belaccifer lacca says:
LOL! Nice smackdown! Poor retard thinks that something not spelled out doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist despite the preamble contradicting that! ;)
February 1st, 2010 at 8:19 pmJB, you sure got a pretty mouth, come over here and let me feed you what you truly crave…
February 1st, 2010 at 8:19 pmso, mr puke,
can you elucidate for us why it is legal to deny someone access to a service they paid for?
essentially, that’s what this “pre-existing conditions” scam is.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:20 pmDNFP (brought to you by Carls Jr)
Mmmmmmm, Carls Jr…
February 1st, 2010 at 8:20 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Mr Duke is claiming that without a profit motive there will be no innovation in medicine. Mr Duke clearly doesn’t post any data to support this, but expects us to take it on faith because of his GiantBrain. Too bad the data establishes something very different.
I know, I know, Mr Duke, there are way too many words in this article and your mind is already made up anyway, but still, maybe someone can explain it to you. I’ll include the summary because I think you might just be able to read it, not because I think you’ll be curious enough to follow through.
And since Mr Duke likes to pretend to understand economics far better than lowly libs:
February 1st, 2010 at 8:23 pm
“, none of that stuff is entitled to you per the constitution.”
neither is the right to gouge people and deny them services they paid for tard but, you seem to have no problem with that
February 1st, 2010 at 8:23 pmBozo The Neoclown says:
ten bucks says neither johnny nor mr puke are insured and their primary care physician is the emergency room
Of course. As much as they go on about their “right” not to have coverage, I can only assume that I’ll be overcharged on my coverage should they need care. I’d rather spend less money to give them preventive care under a program that can control the costs they incur. But they oppose letting me control the costs of caring for them.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:24 pmMr Duke
Why arent you embarassed to be so stupid? YOU can say whatever you want, which is apparant by the ignorance you constantly spew, it is a DEMOCRATIC decision you insufferable MORON. YOU said it would take a constitutional amendment. No it wouldnt. It would only take a DEMOCRATIC decision that it WAS a right.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:24 pmJonathan Bell says:
Look at this language.
Then I suppose we can get you to agree that “Conservatism is my Anti-Drug” and STORM crossed the line as well with their language?
Perhaps crassness isn’t a thing separated by party lines?
Or is that not your problem?
February 1st, 2010 at 8:24 pmYou need to get health care added to the bill of rights. Until then, it is not a right, entitlement or something you deserve.
Bull, read the NINTH slowly and tell me what you learn.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:24 pmMr.Duke says:
“You need to get health care added to the bill of rights.”
We’re working on it.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:24 pm;)
Mr.Duke says:
The old general welfare argument…. what exactly is general welfare?
LOL! It’s vague on purpose to shut down you “literalistic d**chebags”.
Mr.Duke says:
I could say in order to live a decent life you need some items: a residence, a car, food, a TV, health care, a job, enough money to live, vacation time, sick pay, none of that stuff is entitled to you per the constitution. … general welfare is way too vague. …
Except that it is, as general welfare which is how and why the regulation of those items exist and are controlled by the government! ;) It’s vague to keep sh*t for brain morons like you from doing exactly what you just did!
Mr.Duke says:
You need to get health care added to the bill of rights.
Why, when it’s already part of the “general welfare”?
Mr.Duke says:
Until then, it is not a right, entitlement or something you deserve.
Except the constitution disagrees with you in that the government has the right to decide that it is… Oops!
Now be a good little f*kkkwad and crawl back into your hole with the other rats.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:24 pmI see Mr. Dupe has fallen for our trap and stopped bolding his comments.
trolls are so easily manipulated.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:24 pm@ 162 gummitch — this space for rent.
Does that group that can’t get ssdi include people who do what she says she does for a living?
February 1st, 2010 at 8:25 pmgummitch — this space for rent says:
Mr Duke is claiming that without a profit motive there will be no innovation in medicine.
Insurance isn’t medicine and the poor retard can’t tell the difference! LOL!
February 1st, 2010 at 8:25 pmany bets on when mr puke pulls the “tort reform” card?
February 1st, 2010 at 8:27 pmi say within his next five posts.
This comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Mr.Duke says:
…a residence, a car, food, a TV, health care, a job, enough money to live, vacation time, sick pay…
Dooky’s Xmas list.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:27 pmOnce again, I must point out that Ms. Carlson isn’t looking for free health insurance. It sounds like she is willing and able to pay premiums. The problem is that U.S. law allows companies to deny her coverage at any price.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:28 pmMr Duke
And YOU are free to continue to try to get others to cover YOUR societal obligations like the ignorant, soulless cretin you are.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:28 pmWhen her COBRA policy expires, it seems no insurance company will take her as a policyholder.
Bingo. And you support that?
(hey ralph, did you notice dukey bolded the very next comment?
February 1st, 2010 at 8:28 pmHeh, good one)
ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:
I see Mr. Dupe has fallen for our trap and stopped bolding his comments.
trolls are so easily manipulated.
**snort**
February 1st, 2010 at 8:29 pmso let me get this straight mr.puke
February 1st, 2010 at 8:29 pmin your fcuked up world, it’s alright for insurance companies to deny services in their field of business just because they get sick?
“. That is her problem”
spoken like a true compassionate conservative, mr puke. you piece of shit
February 1st, 2010 at 8:30 pmfood, a TV, health care,
There ya go Dookie, you can get that in the loonie ward.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:31 pmIn your own word, Mr. Duke… explain what the Ninth Amendment says.
Thank you.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:32 pm“That is her problem.”
Ohhhhhhhh, Jonathan is really going to like Mr Dooky.
They have so much in common!
February 1st, 2010 at 8:32 pmcd says:
@ 162 gummitch — this space for rent.
Does that group that can’t get ssdi include people who do what she says she does for a living?
I’m not entirely sure I understand your question, but if you’re referring to my anecdotal information about people being refused SDI, no. I’m talking about people who have been paying into Social Security through their working lives.
If you have a paystub handy, look in the withheld taxes and you’ll see something called FICA. That’s the money you are contributing to your Social Security account.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:33 pmMr.Duke says:
The old general welfare argument…. what exactly is general welfare? I could say in order to live a decent life you need some items: a residence, a car, food, a TV, health care, a job, enough money to live, vacation time, sick pay, none of that stuff is entitled to you per the constitution. … general welfare is way too vague. … You need to get health care added to the bill of rights. Until then, it is not a right, entitlement or something you deserve.
The old right to bear arms argument for some shit for brains to own an automatic weapon. The right to bear arms was made for specific reasons. Why do you think health is not general welfare but allowing nearly anyone to buy guns is the right to bear arms?
This seems eerily similar to cherry picking ancient writings to suit your agenda.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:33 pmdickhead cheney has had multiple pacemakers put in due to the fact he used to chain smoke. i think the next time he needs his device replaced the procedure should be denied due to a “pre-existing condition” and then his socialised medicine paid by my tax dollars should be cancelled.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:33 pmBelaccifer
I am afraid you will have to wait until Rush tells him what he thinks about that for an answer
February 1st, 2010 at 8:34 pmjust the bleepn facts says:
gummitch — this space for rent says:
Mr Duke is claiming that without a profit motive there will be no innovation in medicine.
Insurance isn’t medicine and the poor retard can’t tell the difference! LOL!
I don’t think I said insurance and medical innovation were the same. I did say both are based on the profit motive. But, like most lefty folks on this website, you read and believe what you want. Blue Cross isn’t a non-profit. Medtronic isn’t a non-profit, either. .. ..Insurance isn’t medicine. Wow. You are a genius. Go figure. Never knew that … LOL. …
February 1st, 2010 at 8:34 pm“You can criticize us all you want but you CANNOT accuse us of doing anything untoward or immoral with each other.”
unlike cancervatards, shitstain, i’m not worried about what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:35 pmJonathan Bell says:
I think I will do just that until you cough up that PETA link… you and Mr. Duke are doing untoward and immoral things together!
Like ignoring the plight of the sick and dying around you.
SHAME!
February 1st, 2010 at 8:35 pm(Like I said; easily manipulated. heh heh heh.)
February 1st, 2010 at 8:36 pmMr Duke: I don’t think I said insurance and medical innovation were the same. I did say both are based on the profit motive.
So you didn’t read the article, right? Not even the summary points or the single quoted paragraph?
I didn’t think so.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:36 pmJonathan Bell says:
You can criticize us all you want but you CANNOT accuse us of doing anything untoward or immoral with each other.
“Not my problem.”
That is immoral.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:37 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Mr.Duke says:
Can you tell me what the Ninth Amendment says?
Thanks!
February 1st, 2010 at 8:37 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:
Isn’t it funny how Jonathan Bell acts as if I never cited Matthew 25:40 in commenting on his posts here, yet he seems so fascinated by rude language that he is willing to repost it when directed at him?
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And the King shall answer and say unto them, `Verily I say unto you, inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these My brethren, ye have done it unto Me.’-Matthew 25:40
And rude language doesn’t hold a candle to blaming the victim.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:39 pmYou can criticize us all you want but you CANNOT accuse us of doing anything untoward or immoral with each other.
Oh yes we can. You are conspiring to deny basic health care for citizens of your own country. If that’s not immoral…
February 1st, 2010 at 8:39 pmInteresting… you can accuse Jonathan Bell of ignoring Christ’s teaching of “whatsoever you do to the least of your brothers, that you do unto me” and he doesn’t seem to notice.
But use rude language or accuse him of homosexual acts and he gets all vocal in his denials.
What does this tell us?
February 1st, 2010 at 8:40 pmThose are not Dooky’s own words, of course.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:41 pm“Here’s what MSLSD’s own loony Lawrence O’Donnell just said about it.”
innit cute,
February 1st, 2010 at 8:42 pmthe skidmark with the olberman fetish is watching……surprise! countdown
Whenever a troll posts a comment more than a few sentences long, or displaying proper language skills, or using academic standard citation, it’s a sure bet that it’s plagiarized.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:42 pmthe funny thing is ralph, they honestly believe we read their copy and pasted shit
February 1st, 2010 at 8:43 pmThe Ninth Amendment is used to protect the citizenry from any expansion of governmental power because of the limited nature of the Bill of Rights. Because every right of the people of the United States could not possibly be mentioned in the Constitution, the Ninth Amendment was added to supplement the rights already mentioned. The amendment protects many rights implied in a universal civil code, and those which are linked to other rights already declared. It protects these personal liberties from state and federal infringement.
Your best hope is to get a health care entitlement amendment in the bill of rights. .. I will hold my breathe. .. good night and good luck.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:45 pmBozo, I read just enough to copy it and paste it into Teh Google so i can confirm its source. Any more than that, I know is a waste of time.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:45 pmMr Duke
Like most rightys you are just plain stupid and uninformed
http://www.nonprofithealthcare.org/resources/BasicFactsAndFigures-NonprofitHealthPlans9.9.08.pdf
Of the 138 health plans in the United States with at least 100,000 medical enrollees, 84 or 61% are nonprofit.
It is estimated that nonprofit Blue Cross Blue Shield have about 34% ASO medical market and that other non profit health plans have about 20% of the commercial risk medical market and 10% of the ASO medical market
February 1st, 2010 at 8:45 pmYup Duke plagiarized a legal dictionary.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:45 pmBozo The Neoclown says:
the funny thing is ralph, they honestly believe we read their copy and pasted shit
Bozo should read once. He might learn something. .. LOL.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:45 pmall of a sudden mr puke is concerned with the constitution. hey skidmark, where were you when 43 was declaring “war” on iraq, a power clearly not granted to him in the constitution. guess they skipped that article in your correspondence law course
February 1st, 2010 at 8:47 pmMr. Duke didn’t even bother to read it… if he had he would know that while the SCOTUS in Butler struck down the act in question the ruling DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS HIS LOGIC.
I quote from it:
Wow. Plagiarism and SelfPwn.
Sad.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:47 pm“Bozo should read once. He might learn something. .. LOL”
that’s the first intelligent thing you said all night pukey. me learning something from you is pretty funny.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:48 pmMr.Duke says:
Dude, I said in YOUR OWN WORDS… not Google’s… sad.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:48 pmJonathan Bell says:
We are free to accuse you of whatever we want and if you don’t like it, go somewhere else to post your nonsense.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:48 pmREPUBLICAN’S PLAN FOR HEALTH INSURANCE REFORM:
Duct tape, plastic, and bootstraps
Oh wow! So helpful! Not.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:48 pmralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:
But use rude language or accuse him of homosexual acts and he gets all vocal in his denials.
What does this tell us?
Oh! Oh! Me! I know the answer!
He’s a deeply-closeted gay man, who at one time in his life totally immersed himself in the gay scene, but always felt really dirty after. Then he paid some church a lot of money, because they promised him they could take away the gay.
Now he’s absolutely convinced that he’s pure as the driven snow — even though he still checks out the asses on everything that isn’t female (still feeling guilty), goes to church three times a week, lies to other “desperately wishing they weren’t gay” gays, has totally lost focus on what is truly immoral, and every now and then has a “lost weekend” in San Francisco or New York.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:49 pmMr.Duke says:
Bozo The Neoclown says:
the funny thing is ralph, they honestly believe we read their copy and pasted shit
Bozo should read once. He might learn something. .. LOL.
Like you read the article I linked to? LOL, indeed.
twit
February 1st, 2010 at 8:49 pmI love it when the stupid trolls babble about morality. Heck! I can’t think of a single post from them that has any moral value whatsoever.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:50 pmMr Duke
You are a MORON. Show where the constitution specifically says we can have an Air Force. Was that reserved for the States? Where does it say we can have rural electrification? A clean Air Act? Wellfare? Medicare? MediCAL? You are grasping at STRAWS the Federal government ALREADY provides healthcare to the poor and to the elderly to claim they cannot expand that is blatant stupidity. Stupid at a level that only a MORON like you could reach
February 1st, 2010 at 8:51 pmSo, you’re applauding Americans dying because they don’t have the money to go to the doctor for the tests they need and will eventually die because of it?
February 1st, 2010 at 8:51 pmMr.Duke says:
Bozo should read once. He might learn something. .. LOL.
YOU didn’t even read it! :-D
February 1st, 2010 at 8:51 pmMr Duke
YOU should stop letting rightwing screechmonkeys brainwash you. You STILL wont learn anything since you are just flat out too stupid but at least you wont embarass yourself quite so much
February 1st, 2010 at 8:52 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Another comment count in the hundreds. I’ll just note my passing reference to a post calling for the libs to donate to this person. This woman is going to rack in donations, no question about it. But I donate to Feed the Children, does that end childhood poverty as we know it? Some children are fed, but that doesn’t mean childhood malnutrition isn’t on the rise. We’d all like to call it a drop in the Salvation Army bucket but collective minds know this is a national policy crisis.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:54 pmwildweasel says:
who would think that in a community known as “think Progress,” the “strawman” argument reigns supreme.
Right, it’s a troll specialty.
Now, go look up “strawman.” You’ll be glad you did.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:55 pmshitweasel
I dont know who would think that or anything as ridiculous as that what I DO know is YOU dont think at ALL. You dont have the requisite equipment
February 1st, 2010 at 8:55 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
What “strawman” is that, stupid troll? Surely you aren’t talking about the fact that people are needlessly dying and suffering because the insurance industry won’t sell them a policy at any price.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:57 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
ConservaTROLL
So she should just DIE like the other 45 thousand Americans per year from lack of access to healthcare
February 1st, 2010 at 8:58 pmCovering a pre-existing condition would be like someone calling an insurance company to get home owners insurance after their house is on fire.
Talking to a troll is worse than talking to a tree. At least you know beforehand the tree won’t answer.
February 1st, 2010 at 8:59 pmconservative guy says:
Covering a pre-existing condition would be like someone calling an insurance company to get home owners insurance after their house is on fire.
LOL! Nothing about that says strawman from a retard – right? LOL!
February 1st, 2010 at 9:00 pmralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:
Zooey (sponsored by The Blue Sun Corporation) says:
Gosh, that sounds a lot like a certain disgraced former assistant prosecutor from Wayne County Michigan who happens to be insanely obsessed with Keith Olbermann.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:00 pmJonathan Bell says:
The canker sore of sin aches upon your minds. And you lick it with your tounges.
We always have to knock you out of the way…
February 1st, 2010 at 9:01 pmJonathan Bell says:
The list is endless…
The list of retard things that right wing terrorists like you say and do? I agree…
February 1st, 2010 at 9:01 pmJohnnyBell
You are a seeping herpes sore on the ass of mankind and you suck on the diseased members of crackheads for nickles.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:01 pmWell then, stupid troll, you should be glad that no one is proposing anything even close to “socialized medicine”. That’s been off the table for a very long time.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:01 pmJonathan Bell says:
The canker sore of sin aches upon your minds. And you lick it with your tounges.
Psycho much d**chebag? Get help, you are totally wacko!
February 1st, 2010 at 9:01 pmJonathan Bell says:
The canker sore of sin aches upon your minds. And you lick it with your tounges.
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I don’t know about you but I can’t even lick my own eye.
And what if I were to tell you I don’t believe in your ancient text or the concept of sin? Your version of Christianity does nothing more than make people feel guilty for things that don’t really matter in the real world and absolve them of real “sins” like murder.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:01 pmJonathan Bell says:
The list is endless…
Not my problem.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:01 pmPage 18 of the GOP health plan calls for folks unable to pay their medicals bills to pool into a sweepstakes and the winner has his/her bills paid by a bailed out banker.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:02 pmshitweasel
You are a liar and a moron. Any such list would be DWARFED by the tradgedies AVOIDED by socialized medicine. It is a blot on the moral character of our country that 45 thousand Americans per year DIE from being poor and lacking healthcare. You just dont care because you lack the basic decency that defines humanity. You have no soul
February 1st, 2010 at 9:02 pmThey use words but they have no language. But, just on the off chance that there’s a scrap of intellect to which one may appeal, “socialized medicine” is a classic strawman.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:03 pmJonathan Bell says:
That’s just stupid.
Not my problem. Totally your problem.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:03 pmJonathan Bell says:
No wonder wildweasle hates you. I don’t care much for you myself.
Do you know wildweasel? Lost weekend…?
Not my problem.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:05 pmpete says:
They use words but they have no language. But, just on the off chance that there’s a scrap of intellect to which one may appeal, “socialized medicine” is a classic strawman.
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February 1st, 2010 at 9:05 pmWell just a few generations ago they were railing on modern medicine. I guess we’ve made progress since then.
JohnnyBell
You are LIAR and a punk
LIAR. PUNK.
Normally I would defer to you on matters of stupid due to your VAST experience from living your life as, well, YOU. However in this instance I am afraid the infirmity we are discussing precludes you from being an accurate judge. To dumb it down, in defference to your OBVIOUS mental shortcomings. You are just too stupid to be taken seriously on this or pretty much any other issue
February 1st, 2010 at 9:06 pmJohnnyBell
No one cares who you like or dont. Try to remember. YOU are a MORON
February 1st, 2010 at 9:08 pmconservative guy says:
Covering a pre-existing condition would be like someone calling an insurance company to get home owners insurance after their house is on fire.
If teh free marketz had a pricing structure that enabled people to pay out of pocket for health costs like they would a trip to the grocery store they wouldn’t have to search for a third party willing to pay up.
So, conservative guy, in eight years of Bush leadership, where iz all the free murket solutions? Cuz I’m only seein’ doubled insurance premiums.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:09 pmJonathan Bell says:
Privatizing social security. Wonderful news. This time I know we’ll win!
What do you mean “we,” gay man?
Not my problem.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:11 pmJonathan Bell says:
Eugene, you’re the liar punk, not me.
Neener neener.
Not my problem.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:12 pmJonathan Bell = corporate tool and Christian fascist extraordinaire.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:13 pmJohnnyBell
You are not ONLY a punk you are one of the stupidest punks know to man. This is evident to anyone who can READ. We all just love the “I know you are but what am I comeback” it was SO clever in like SECOND GRADE. My GOD you are pathetic
February 1st, 2010 at 9:13 pmJonathan Bell says:
Privatizing social security. Wonderful news. This time I know we’ll win!
This time your’re a superminority, not the light majority too afraid to piss off a key base to get it done.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:13 pmJonathan Bell says:
We = America
Sorry. YOU do not represent or speak for “America.”
You have your own problems to deal with, so you probably ought to get started.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:15 pmJohnnyBell
Dream on you delusional moron. SS will NEVER be privitized. That would benifit ONLY Wall St and the losers would be the American people. I URGE you rightwingnuts to run on THAT. The sooner the teabagger GOP goes the way of the WHIG party the better
February 1st, 2010 at 9:15 pmJohnnyBell
Some of that’s true.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yes, the corporate tool and fascist part
February 1st, 2010 at 9:17 pmYeah, we do attract a lot of trolls who favor that strategy.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:17 pm“Some of that’s true.”
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February 1st, 2010 at 9:18 pmNamely the Christian fascist part. If you’re going to call yourself a Christian drop the “holier than thou” act and actually follow your savior’s teachings.
Jonathon! focus!
PETA sleeping with boys for veggie pledges! I need that link, thanks.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:18 pmI sense that the weasel is itching to launch a defense of “policy by anecdote”.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:20 pmJohnnyBell
Is a LIAR and he cannot provide links to his delusional fantasies
February 1st, 2010 at 9:21 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
If the GOP has a monopoly on American interests, how could they ever lose a single election?
February 1st, 2010 at 9:23 pmZooey, I have really enjoyed your total pwning of Jonathan Bell. Concise, surgical, devastating.
Kudos to you.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:24 pmJonathan Bell says:
He’s a predator too!
Personal experience.
17 different occasions. Ralph had to get a restraining order…
February 1st, 2010 at 9:24 pmJohnnyBell
YOU remind me of the retarded organ grinders monkey that plays in the park. Except you are much stupider
February 1st, 2010 at 9:24 pmOf course, this will be voted down because the typical leftist seeks to hide any opposition and fears opposing opinion.
you know, when a troll makes this sort of comment, ya just hate to disappoint the little slug.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:25 pmYou are such a fraud. You just love seeing Americans suffer and go financially bankrupt. Just admit it. You’re what Satan would call a good buddy!
February 1st, 2010 at 9:25 pmwildweasel says:
Just read through the brilliant, yet surpisingly foul-mouthed and personally insulting commentary of those folks in favor of the healthcare bill in this thread.
F uck off, you assholierthanthou twat.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:25 pmI haven’t seen that one. Or if I did, it didn’t stick in my memory.
it seems to made quite a profound impression on you, though, Jonathan.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:26 pmPoor shitweasel
He leads his post with WWWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH obsessing on our foul mouths when his first post was a plain lie. Then again rightwingers LOVE to lie. They get sheer joy out of telling lies.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:27 pmBah hahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! *slapping hand over mouth* Oh wait. You’re a troll. Nevermind. ;-)
February 1st, 2010 at 9:28 pmI’ve been following along for a bit and I just have to let you know, it’s been a lovely read. It’s clever, smart-a$$ed, and thought-provoking. And did I mention entertaining? I mean, these trolls can’t ever cover-up their own excrement. They seem to be stepping in it at every turn. Who’s got the shovel? I think Jonathan needs it. The hole he’s dug for himself needs to go a little deeper.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:31 pmAnd if you had any idea how long the list of tragedies that socilaized medicie has inflicted on humanity, you might put your pom poms down real quick.
Precisely why the World Health Organization ranks the U.S. #1!
February 1st, 2010 at 9:31 pmhey, wild weasel… can you help Mr. Duke with his 9th Amendment issues?
Thank you!
February 1st, 2010 at 9:31 pmralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:
it seems to made quite a profound impression on you, though, Jonathan.
He wore out three VHS tapes…
February 1st, 2010 at 9:31 pmMy thanks to gummitch and Gary Herstein I may not understand just what is going on but I’m no longer suspicious.
On a related topic I have a weird feeling Larry Flynt may offer to marry her.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:33 pmJonathan, I know some of my pot-head friends enjoy smoking some herb while watching the classic “cautionary tale” Reefer Madness.
They get a real kick out of the campy alarmism.
is that how you and your friends view “Boys Beware”? That must be hoot for folks of your type.
Although I don’t think any of my pot-head friends know who directed “Reefer Madness”… that’s a little obsessive, I’d say.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:33 pmWhen the troll resorts to BS-ing about vote downs and then becomes a VDT…you’ve won.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:34 pmFelicity Inkwell says:
February 1st, 2010 at 9:31 pm
Heh. We aim to please. :-)
Stick around!
February 1st, 2010 at 9:35 pm*sniff, sniff*
Kay was laughing with me until she started laughing at me!!
reminds me of sociliazed medicie!
February 1st, 2010 at 9:36 pmSecond that.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:37 pmStill waiting for those free market solutions …
February 1st, 2010 at 9:39 pmWhat the GOP REALLY means … says:
Still waiting for those free market solutions …
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February 1st, 2010 at 9:43 pmAre you sure you can afford them?
429. cd says:
You are welcome. Again, I was mostly offering only educated guesses. On the other hand, the Larry Flynt thing is an image I really wish you hadn’t put into my head …
(Cheers!)
February 1st, 2010 at 9:45 pmSo this lady has a rare genetic disease and that’s supposedly an issue of personal reponsibilitai. But I don’t read “Do you frequent McDonald’s?” or “Do you stuff your face at Krispy Kreme?” on any insurance application.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:45 pmPoll: Republicans Think Obama Is A Socialist, And Palin More Qualified To Be President
Only 42% believe Obama was born in the United States.
• 53% think Sarah Palin is more qualified than Obama to be president.
• 23% want to secede from the United States.
• 73% think gay people should not be allowed to teach in public schools.
• 31% want contraception to be outlawed.
21% think ACORN stole the 2008 election — that is, that Obama didn’t actually win it, and isn’t legitimately the president, with 55% saying they are “not sure.”
February 1st, 2010 at 9:45 pmOh, look, drhunt has been namejacked again!
February 1st, 2010 at 9:47 pmdrhunt says:
A gut wrenching story…but one wonders why her health insurance wasn’t part of the divorce settlement. She was born with the C-4 def., so why didn’t her attorney ask the court for more then just 2-3 years of coverage. Damned attorneys!
The insurance company wasn’t a party to the divorce, idiot. The attorneys can’t force them to do anything — nor can the judge.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:48 pmYou mean Medicare Advantage benefits. Subsidy wasteland. Core government-administered benefit remains intact.
Had to correct you there, sparky.
February 1st, 2010 at 9:48 pmmosswright?
What names have you posted under?
February 1st, 2010 at 9:55 pmmosswright:
February 1st, 2010 at 9:57 pmDid you fill up on high fructose corn syruppy snacks?
Mosswrong
You are one of the stupidest creatures known to man so why dont YOU FOAD punk?
February 1st, 2010 at 9:58 pmI am in sort of a pissy mood. I think I will crush some posers for my own amusement….
February 1st, 2010 at 9:59 pmMosswrong
Kill yourself punk
February 1st, 2010 at 10:00 pmWhy?
February 1st, 2010 at 10:00 pmWhat names?
k?
Welcome aboard dbadass
February 1st, 2010 at 10:00 pmWow, conservatives are complete scum bags…can you believe the crap they posted on this story.
You Cons are the lowest life form on the planet.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:01 pmThis woman is full of crap, why doesnt she listen to limpass,hannity,beck,and orielly.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:01 pmIf she wants to have her medical needs met than all she has to do is go to her local emergency room.
I think the good people that visit TP and the owners of TP should start a fund for her. Im not rich but I could make a small donation. I think if enough people chipped in then we could help save her life without her having to resort to such drastic measures. We then could ask her if she would be interested in showing the people who are against HCR why we need it.
belac, be reasonable. If you were responsible for some of the lame crap that mosswrong has posted under this moniker, would you be eager to expose all your earlier work as well?
February 1st, 2010 at 10:01 pmMosswrong
If you were HALF as smart as Zooey people would think a miracle happened. If my DOG were only twice as smart as you I would put him down as an act of pure mercy
February 1st, 2010 at 10:02 pmBush didn’t steal the election – his network of daddy-appointed supreme court justices and governor-brother’s faulty vote tabulators did it for him. Perfect storm of corruption in our electoral history. Too bad his time in office din’t make the scheme worthwhile.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:03 pmdrhunt says:
Zooey-wrong…the judge has ULTIMATE authority over the divorce settlement.
Right — OVER THE PARTIES IN THE DIVORCE ACTION.
The only thing the Judge could do was order the ex-husband to pay the COBRA payments for the 3 years, which he may or may not have done.
After that, there is nothing to pay, because the insurance company will not sell her coverage at any price. Since they are not a party to the divorce, the Judge has no way of ordering them to continue coverage.
But what do I know? I only worked in family law and as a court clerk for more years than I care to remember.
Stop confirming your ignorance. Thanks.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:03 pmnow, is post #447 the real drhunt or the namejacker drhunt?
It’s so hard to tell.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:03 pmmossright says:
No, I am just one of the 100% at Think Progress who know you are a steaming smelly maggot infested pile of excrement.
And that is one of you better attributes.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:06 pmEugeneDebs says:
Mosswrong
If you were HALF as smart as Zooey people would think a miracle happened. If my DOG were only twice as smart as you I would put him down as an act of pure mercy
**snort**
Thanks, Eugene. ;)
February 1st, 2010 at 10:06 pm368. Jonathan Bell says:
Little Johnny got a hard on thinking of that one.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:07 pmI am in no mood for losers and dipshits…
February 1st, 2010 at 10:07 pmJONATHAN- PETA LINK!
February 1st, 2010 at 10:08 pmThanks!
See now I have to put up with pretenders like Jonathan. I should kick his stupid ass on principle alone.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:08 pm379. EugeneDebs says:
Keeping talking like that, ED, and he’s going to want to move in with you …
February 1st, 2010 at 10:09 pm459. What the GOP REALLY means … says:
And don’t forget who those of us in Florida put a big part of the blame on, Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris. Bear in mind that she had been the co-chair of George W. Bush’s Florida election campaign.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:10 pmdrhunt says:
Zooey-wrong…the judge has ULTIMATE authority over the divorce settlement. True, it has nothing to do with the insurance company, but the judge could CERTAINLY order coverage for her medical condition, to be paid by the ex-husband for a MUCH longer time then 2-3 years.
The insurance companies have ULTIMATE responsbility to provide coverage in the first place.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:11 pmWhen did I ask you to kill yourself?
I have sympathy for your plight. I think you’d be happier if you could tell yourself and the world the truth, but you’ve built walls around yourself that won’t allow it. I think that’s sad.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:11 pm404. Jonathan Bell says:
(The “tool” and “fascist” parts.)
February 1st, 2010 at 10:13 pmYou’re right, drhunt, it should be obvious — the posts that get picked apart for stupidity are the work of a namejacker.
Wait… that means ALL of them!
D’oh!
February 1st, 2010 at 10:14 pmJohnnyBell
Keep fighting whatever you want, like left handedness, what you REALLY need to combat is your abject stupidity. I know it is a lost cause, you will always be a moron but then so is fighting against a natural predisposition that has been with mankind since the dawn of humanity. Dont you ever just want to break down and cry when it occurs to you how stupid you are?
February 1st, 2010 at 10:14 pmFVNY:
February 1st, 2010 at 10:15 pmWHo cares?
413. Jonathan Bell says:
If you’re not careful, Ralph, Johnny’s gonna be asking for your phone number and what night’s you’re free.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:15 pmWhy do I have to put up with idiots? You pretend asshats can’t even begin to approach wisdom….
February 1st, 2010 at 10:16 pmYou know what i can never figure out?
Why righties come here, spend all kinds of time making comments, and then proclaim that it’s a “low IQ” blog with all sorts of social indignities.
It that were the case… wouldn’t you think they’d leave? And go spend their valuable time more productively?
Sadly, they never seem to make that choice.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:17 pmFVNY
What do I care? I dont think I ever told you to kill yourself. You are extremely stupid and brainwashed but you usually at least TRY for discourse. I usually only tell the trolls that are pure provocation to kill themselves. I am always amused by you. I just love to laugh at morons as stupid as you
February 1st, 2010 at 10:17 pmJonathan Bell says:
Koldys, why fight teh gay, it’s a losing battle?
Why don’t you just accept yourself for what you are, find a nice partner and live happily ever after?
It’s time to leave the closet and all that insane christian guilt behind. Enjoy what time you have left in life.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:17 pmdrhunt says:
#456 sscn-I beg to differ on that…it appears that she owns a house
Stunning revalation! It appears than anyone who makes payments to a bank instead of a landlord can pay their medical bills in any amount! Republicanism is amazing!!
February 1st, 2010 at 10:17 pmFVNY says:
I’m pro life.
Does that mean you support Terri Carlson in her effort to marry someone who will provide her with health Care?
February 1st, 2010 at 10:18 pmdrhunt
February 1st, 2010 at 10:18 pmThem why don’t you hightail it out of here you lame ass piece of shit before I destroy your poser ass as I always do? Do you really want to be humilated somemore you whiny ass pos?
dhunt
WOW you are certainly delusional. Even the average IQ on the shortbus you took to school plummeted whenever you came aboard. You are stupider than a cheesecloth condom. I am always amused by morons like you with delusions of adequacy
February 1st, 2010 at 10:19 pmYou’re the asshat.
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February 1st, 2010 at 10:19 pmTell us again about your little climate conspiracy. I can run circles around you till the sun comes up not because I am a genius but because you are a proven fraud
FVNY
You are pro stupid and pro lemming. I pick things off my sweater that show more higher brain function than you ever will
February 1st, 2010 at 10:21 pmStart running, asshat.
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February 1st, 2010 at 10:22 pmSit in your seat fatass and see who is left standing. I can piss on you and you will protest not.
FVNY
Kiss my ass PUNK
February 1st, 2010 at 10:23 pm440. drhunt says:
Because that would require her legal issues to be compelling on the insurance company. Since these animals will declare anything a PEC, any temporal breach will suffice as an excuse to cut-off benefits. As has already been demonstrated again and again (not in this thread, but in the world) cutting off benefits is what these corporations do; they scarcely need a divorce action to justify their behavior, but being predatory and immoral they will certainly light upon such an excuse if it is convenient.
It is unclear how this is less than obvious. Have you current statistics that would suggest otherwise?
February 1st, 2010 at 10:23 pmF ucked up retards too ignorant to do anything but dick around online. Thank god you f ucking idiots have no children or adult responsibilities. You are pitiful. Hide it from your mamas you meatheads.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:24 pmdhunt
YOU are a problem are you always this STUPID?
February 1st, 2010 at 10:25 pmWhy would a grown man spend so much time trying to be a dou che? It makes no sense unless the alledged man is no man at all but a weak piece of shit.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:25 pmdr. hunt- hey, wanna talk to me about whether this woman deserves treatment?
February 1st, 2010 at 10:25 pmdbadass says:
db, you know our troll needs massive doses humiliation, otherwise he is incapable of having an erection.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:26 pmWithout the little chubbie, how is he going to get off masturbating to photos of Olbermann?
db-got a problem tonight…or are you normally this cordial?
— Yes. I have a problem with frauds and fakers. Don’t you? See the thing is that you folks are insincere and it is obvious. I hate insincerity as much as I hate posers and tax whiners…
February 1st, 2010 at 10:27 pm447. drhunt says:
Stuff and nonsense. That would be like saying the judge has the authority to order HIS employer to give HER a job.
I’m willing to be corrected, even eat my words on this one, but not upon your mere assertion. If you cannot back up your announcement with legally valid facts, than at least show so little basic interest in elementary standards of critical reasoning to appropriately qualify your assertion as something that is no more than your personal belief.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:27 pmJohnnyBell
You are a LIAR. Try to remember how stupid you are. You dont know what flirting is. Only RUBBER women come anywhere NEAR you. You cant get laid even with cash and credit. We are sorry you are such a stupid pathetic pile of dogshit but snivelling about it online wont help. You are miserable and ignorant that isnt our fault
February 1st, 2010 at 10:28 pmdhunt
Because it doesnt address the larger issue. That 45 thousand Americans per year DIE from lack of access to healthcare and half of all bankrupcies are healthcare related while more than HALF of those people HAD health insurance.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:30 pmdrhunt says:
#487 What the-I read through the entire blog,
LOL! You never stop lying do you kkkhunt? An illiterate meth addled rube like you couldn’t read your way out of a mcdonald’s menu!!! ROTFL! Just STFU already you retarded inbred f*kkkwad.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:31 pmFVNY says:
Which one of you libs is looking for an intellectual blow job?
Poor kkkhunt isn’t a “lib” but she’s your best bet for a blow job.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:31 pmEugeneDebs says:
dhunt
Because it doesnt address the larger issue. That 45 thousand Americans per year DIE from lack of access to healthcare and half of all bankrupcies are healthcare related while more than HALF of those people HAD health insurance.
Dr kkkhunt the pro-torture terrorist would drive a plane into their building and kill them all to avoid paying taxes. The point isn’t missed on the little kkkhunt, she’s just a selfish b**ch that doesn’t give a sh*t.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:33 pmWhich one of you libs is looking for an intellectual blow job?
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February 1st, 2010 at 10:33 pmIf this involves me cramming my balls down your throat, I think that base has already been covered…
drhunt says:
db-got a problem tonight…or are you normally this cordial?
Right after you made your little list of why people here don’t have your GiantBrain, FVNY showed up calling people asshats. Why don’t you chide him for his harsh language?
If you were anywhere near as smart as you seem to think, it would be obvious and you wouldn’t need to spend so much effort claiming to be smarter than the rest of the room. As it is, you’ve only demonstrated the capacity to be a huge blowhard.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:33 pm488. FVNY says:
Ah, the scintilating intelligence! The rapier-like wit!
February 1st, 2010 at 10:33 pmdrhunt says:
Gary-did you know that a Family Court judges ruling takes precedence over other related State and federal laws? Even the SCOTUS affirmed that in several landmark rulings.
LOL! The “medical doctor” is also an attorney? LOL! You are such a fake *ssed liar you retarded teenage *ssh*le.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:33 pmdrhunt says:
#509 Eugene-health care reform is needed…public option is not.
You and the rest of your teabagger terrorists is what America doesn’t need.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:34 pmI think FVNY was namejacked
Go peddle your blowjobs on the dock where you usually peddle them
February 1st, 2010 at 10:35 pmJonathan Bell says:
ralph I grouped you with Eugene because you two are always flirting with each other.
LOL! The ex-gay is projecting her closet on everyone else! ROTLF! You’re almost funny there retard… almost..
February 1st, 2010 at 10:35 pmEugeneDebs says:
I think FVNY was namejacked
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer F*kkkwad from the Very fine New York…
February 1st, 2010 at 10:36 pmHi drhunt:
February 1st, 2010 at 10:37 pmBygones being bygones and all, do you wanna have an actual discussion or would you rather just continue to dick around like a spaz?
gummitch — this space for rent says:
drhunt says:
db-got a problem tonight…or are you normally this cordial?
Right after you made your little list of why people here don’t have your GiantBrain, FVNY showed up calling people asshats. Why don’t you chide him for his harsh language?
Moral relativism.
The wingnut will excuse mass murder for anyone that claims they’re for “conservatism”, right kkkhunt? She claimed to be anti-profanity while profanely condoning torture. CON = CONvictMePlease
February 1st, 2010 at 10:38 pmmosswright says:
WHo cares?
I do.
But you’re nobody. Next?
February 1st, 2010 at 10:38 pmYOU certainly didn’t pick up on that, however.
That’s because we don’t have your GiantBrain!
February 1st, 2010 at 10:38 pmdhunt
That is your opinion. I disagree. The profit motive is one of the big problems in the cost and quality of healthcare. They dont WANT to do preventative care because there is so much more profit margin in catastrophic care. So why diagnose someone with prostate cancer when it can be dealt with by some medicine or a thirty thousand dollar surgery when there is so much more money in taking care of them the last five months of your life in a critical care unit and make half a million instead. Private for profit insurance has FAILED to give us the high quality fair cost we deserve. They use tricks to deny care when you need it. They are unscrupulous and there needs to be an alternative. A public option is a weak but reasonable response. Single payer would be the best answer
February 1st, 2010 at 10:39 pmFVNY
FOAD
February 1st, 2010 at 10:40 pmHow old are you guys? It sort of frightens me that you coordinate your days so you can look forward to getting you online d ouche on…..
February 1st, 2010 at 10:41 pmFVNY says:
It’s c*ntwell.
You’re nobody, no one gives a f*kkk about you, go away…
February 1st, 2010 at 10:41 pmKeep it up GOPers, you’re going to guarantee Obama’s second term.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:42 pmIt’s c*ntwell.
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February 1st, 2010 at 10:43 pmdrink…
FVNY says:
Hey, you used to claim I was joe cantwell, what gives?
February 1st, 2010 at 10:44 pmEverybody is joe cantwell. I little joe is within us all…
February 1st, 2010 at 10:45 pmNow as to archie…
February 1st, 2010 at 10:45 pm513. drhunt says:
drhunt, are you aware that your response is completely irrelevant as to the questions that I asked? You’ve provided no substance to your assertions; merely making more assertions does not elevate the one’s that came before.
At this point, besides the basic Red Herring fallacy, there is also an apparent argument from false or misleading authority going on here.
If you haven’t got the evidence, that’s OK; just be honest enough to say as much, and confine yourself to stating what you believe in terms of such belief, rather than making extravagant claims about “truths” you cannot justify.
For example, can you give even a single citation to a RECENT (very important) divorce action where the judge compelled insurance coverage against the insurance company’s will &/or stated intent to deny for pre-existing conditions EVEN AFTER THE COBRA RUNS OUT?
What I am insisting on, in order for your argument to carry any claim of relevance, is a contemporary example that is genuinely analogous. Vague announcements about things that you are “just certain about” frankly do not carry no relevant evidence for the issue at hand.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:48 pmjust the bleepn facts says:
How old are you guys?
F*ukk you f*kkwadd.
Hijack from kkkhunt, very mature for someone your age princess…
February 1st, 2010 at 10:48 pmF*ukk you f*kkwadd.
– F uckin A man!
February 1st, 2010 at 10:49 pmdrhunt says:
#519 jtbf-can’t handle my breadth of knowledge? Pity…
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=000&invol=02-1624
Landmark decision…Elk Grove vs. Newdow II…
LOL! Except that case wasn’t about your premise showing the “shallowness” of your intellect and the retardedness that you believed whoever told you what that case “meant”! LOL! Wow, it takes a real idiot to make a fool of yourself repeatedly “jay”, you’re quite “special” in the olympics sort of way! ;)
February 1st, 2010 at 10:50 pmYou very disturbed PUNKASS namejacking troll. SEEK HELP IMMEIDIATLY. Even a six year old isnt as pathetic and immature as you
February 1st, 2010 at 10:52 pmjust the bleepn facts says:
Now the pansies are crying “namejack.” Losers.
LOL! Poor retard p*ssies are so desperate they namejack me? Poor kkkhunt are you that insecure? LOL! wait, that answers itself sock! Reported for namejacking!
February 1st, 2010 at 10:54 pmSo what the hell does the pledge have to do with health-care?
And I could fill libraries full of all the shit you don’t know pseudo-drhunt.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:54 pmFVNY says:
All right then, so which of you is next in line for an intellectual blow job?
As opposed to the real ones you usually give at the bus station mensroom? LOL! What a retard! You wouldn’t know what an “intellect” is, let alone how to stimulate one! ;)
February 1st, 2010 at 10:56 pmAll right then, so which of you is next in line for an intellectual blow job?
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February 1st, 2010 at 10:56 pmI really don’t wanna cram my balls down your throat again…
drhunt,
February 1st, 2010 at 10:56 pmWhy are you so lonely and in need of attention in your life that you come to a liberal blog with alot of intelligent people commenting? You do realize that you not only make an ass out of yourself, but you also represent other conservatives like you.
What is it with you conservatives and not caring about the less fortunate? I look at the teabaggers wich im sure you are a part of, I want to laugh at them because they just listen to the racist talkingheads, beck,limpass,orielly,hannity,savage, who are multi millionaires. Their audience work their assess off 40 hours a week to make ends meet. Yet you freakin idiots repeat what you here from these rich SOB`s and try to defeat everything that Obama is trying to do wich will make life easier for you and your family. Either you cons are extremely stupid or your willing to let our country and your family go to shit just because there is a black man running the most powerful nation in the world.
Yeah, I’d admire to know what the relevance is of a case regarding the pledge of allegiance and a child who objected to the “under God” clause has to do with anything going on here.
Was that seriously supposed to demonstrate your competence at anything?
February 1st, 2010 at 10:56 pmFVNY
STFU you namejacking pile of dogshit. You are a sad and pathetic shitweasel. Just put a bullet through your sick twisted brain. Until then peddle your blowjobs on skidrow like you usually do.
February 1st, 2010 at 10:58 pmKoldys, stick to blowing your co-conspirator Odorum…
February 1st, 2010 at 10:58 pm551. FVNY says:
FVNY promises to swallow …
February 1st, 2010 at 10:59 pm542. Me “do not carry no”
Major edit fail … yikes …
February 1st, 2010 at 11:01 pmFOAD you sick perverted namejacking troll.
February 1st, 2010 at 11:03 pmFVNY,
February 1st, 2010 at 11:07 pmIs there any chance that you can change your screen name? I was born and raised NY, and seeing NY in relation to a wingnut is embarrissing for all New Yorkers.
Why do you pussies always claim to be namejacked?
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February 1st, 2010 at 11:08 pmF uck 2…
FVNY says:
All right then, so which of you is next in line for an intellectual blow job?
Dude, you give intellectuals blow jobs?
I don’t think MENSA stands for Men’s Association.
February 1st, 2010 at 11:12 pmdrhunt says:
Gary-it’s much simpler than that…the judge merely rules that the ex-husband continue making COBRA payments for her for a longer period of time then 2-3 years. She had not worked in at least 20 years, was therefore, probably not self-sufficient financially and due to her pre-existing condition was not qualified to seek out private coverage after the COBRA plan ran out. Her attorney should have argued these facts for her…the judge would have ruled upon that request.
Ooops. GiantBrain done busted. COBRA benefits are extended under certain circumstances to a MAXIMUM of 3 years.
Not so easy, huh? Even with a GiantBrain.
February 1st, 2010 at 11:18 pmdrhunt says:
#550 bizarro-It has to do with determining whether, or not, a Family Court judge in Superior Court has the authority to mandate extended COBRA insurance payments of the ex-husband for the ex-wife. He does.
Not if it wasn’t in the divorce settlement or there isn’t grounds for this. You think people remain married after divorce? LOL! Wow you’re a retard there kkkhunt, maybe that’s why you didn’t understand the ruling you cited or how it had nothing to do with your supposed argument? LOL! What a f*kkkwad loser…
February 1st, 2010 at 11:22 pmdrhunt says:
Gary-it’s much simpler than that…the judge merely rules that the ex-husband continue making COBRA payments for her for a longer period of time then 2-3 years. She had not worked in at least 20 years, was therefore, probably not self-sufficient financially and due to her pre-existing condition was not qualified to seek out private coverage after the COBRA plan ran out. Her attorney should have argued these facts for her…the judge would have ruled upon that request.
Divorce is a matter of state law and alimony only applies if there are no prenuptial or other legal issues that prevent it.
I could explain this to you, but you’re a retard moron that can’t decide if you’re a “doctor” or a “lawyer” and frankly you’re unimportant and boring…
drhunt says:
BTW-the Elk Grove vs. Newdow case was landmark for several reasons…but among them was the SCOTUS ruling that a Family Court judge’s decision to rule primary legal custody IS binding and supercedes all other statutes.
LOL! Still doesn’t say what you said it did – moron!
February 1st, 2010 at 11:24 pmdrhunt says:
A gut wrenching story…but one wonders why her health insurance wasn’t part of the divorce settlement.
Maybe because she didn’t realize how much it was going to cost, or that the insurance industry is a criminal enterprise that shakes down people for “protection money”? Your pick?
February 1st, 2010 at 11:27 pmdrhunt says:
gummitch-I just looked it up, and I stand corrected…you’re right…36 months maximum. Thanks for the info…
LOL! Wow, you’re actually admitting you were wrong about something retard? You coming of the meth? Shocking! Truly!
February 1st, 2010 at 11:28 pmCOBRA insurance will not cover anyone forever. A family court judge can compel the ex to pay her premiums, heck, if the man is rich the judge can make him pay for her care, but when your COBRA period is over, it’s over. No judge can compel an insurance company to sell this woman a new policy. The insurance company, in spite of the fact it may have been f’ing both man and wife for years, is not a party in their divorce case.
February 1st, 2010 at 11:29 pmdrhunt says:
OK…how about scenario #2…in order to avoid the woman getting married….how about finding a doctor to give her total disability?
So you’re proposing “fraud”? Yep, that’s the same drKKKhunt that praised tortured! Wow, you are truly a scumbag of sh*thead loser!
February 1st, 2010 at 11:29 pm564. drhunt says:
This, again, has no relevance to the issue of maintaining Ms. Carlson’s insurance.
The preceding (that is, first) paragraph strikes me as credible, but still lacking in actual evidence. The reasoning behind the claim of the first paragraph is not helped by the irrelevance of the second paragraph.
In addition, you’ve not presented any evidence about what arguments her attorney actually presented. (It may well be the case that such information is not readily available.) What we have is HOW the judge ruled, not whether that ruling was ultimately sound. Thus even if the judge’s ruling is not sound by previous rulings (and, again, the one you cited bears no relevance):
(1) Given the more recent SCOTUS ruling that abandoned a century of precedent regarding the status of corporations in campaign contributions, we’ve dubious a priori grounds for taking any of their previous rulings for granted.
(2) But of even greater importance, even if #1 was not true, appealing a case up the foodchain is an expensive hobby that an uninsured stay-at-home mother is not obviously well situated to pursue. The Judge could be just as queer on this case as a three dollar bill, and it will never get turned around unless someone has the resources to challenge it of YEARS to come.
February 1st, 2010 at 11:30 pmpretend doctor hunt:
Well, there you go again…..
It is not relevant what her lawyers did or did not do. This discussion is about this woman’s inability to acquire heath insurance.
You do this every time you come here, argue some irrelevant point to death and never ever discuss the real issue. The current system is a not working and this unfortunate woman cannot buy coverage at any cost.
Pull your head out of your ass before you suffocate.
February 1st, 2010 at 11:30 pmdrhunt says:
#569 jtbf-”if” I was unimportant and boring, why waste so much time responding?
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions.-Thomas Jefferson
I wouldn’t expect you to understand, being that you’re a moron..
February 1st, 2010 at 11:30 pmReport: SarahPAC spent thousands buying copies of Palin’s ‘Going Rogue’
Pwned
February 1st, 2010 at 11:31 pmReggie, sponsored by Brawndo ™ says:
pretend doctor hunt:
Well, there you go again…..
It is not relevant what her lawyers did or did not do. This discussion is about this woman’s inability to acquire heath insurance.
But kkkhunt only cares that no one taxes her… Zzzzz…
These teabaggers are the sh*tscum of the earth.
February 1st, 2010 at 11:32 pmdrhunt says:
jtbf-admitting that I’m wrong in a discussion is a valuable trait…you ought to try it sometime. Heaven knows you’ve plenty of opportunities.
But you’re always wrong, doesn’t that make you tired?
Really? I’ve been wrong? LOL! About what? The “torturing” tard thinks “I” have been wrong but as is typical of the “opinion” of wingnuts it comes without “facts” or “citations”… What “heaven” knows is beyond your expertise sh*t for brains…
February 1st, 2010 at 11:33 pmmosswright says:
I really don’t wanna cram my balls down your throat again…
Classy….
Must remind you of your mother when you were banging her…
February 1st, 2010 at 11:33 pmMosswrong
Stupid, always with the stupid
February 1st, 2010 at 11:36 pmClassy….– Hi there plaything… Wanna have a focused discussion or will you just be pretending?
February 1st, 2010 at 11:36 pm570. drhunt says:
(1) That would arguably involve finding a doctor who was prepared to commit fraud. Her medical condition has to degrade beyond its current state (all the while, racking up significant medical costs) before that declaration could be safely made.
(2) I rather doubt she could quick claim the house to anyone who was not of an age to otherwise &/or variously assume a PoA. This latter is just a guess on my part, but in the absence of concrete evidence to the contrary I would be very hard-pressed to believe that an underage child could legally assume ownership of a house in a manner that would protect the property from the legal guardian’s medical bills.
February 1st, 2010 at 11:36 pmdrhunt says:
Gary-did you know that a Family Court judges ruling takes precedence over other related State and federal laws? Even the SCOTUS affirmed that in several landmark rulings.
LOL! Is that why “Family Court” can’t rule on Social Security benefits or military disability payments other “federal” areas of jurisdiction? Because family courts take precedence? Stick to being a fake doc who’s for torture, fake lawyer moron is just pathetic! LOL!
February 1st, 2010 at 11:37 pmClassy….
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February 1st, 2010 at 11:38 pmSo how do you feel about intellectual blowjobs?
drhunt says:
Gary-did you know that a Family Court judges ruling takes precedence over other related State and federal laws? Even the SCOTUS affirmed that in several landmark rulings.
So then family court in Mass. that rules a gay spouse has access to federal benefits “trumps” State and federal laws?
I’m sure gays in Mass. are happy to have your high court ruling there Justice Roberts! LOL!
I could go on and on little retard…
Next retarded argument?
February 1st, 2010 at 11:39 pm573. drhunt says:
Everybody has already read that; repeating an irrelevancy does not make it relevant. There is not issue at hand regarding the parent-child relationship;; Ms Carlson was not her ex-husband’s child. And since it is HER insurance — or rather, the lack thereof — that is at issue, citing case law that is relevant to the parent-child relationship is not only irrelevant, it argues for a very dubious grasp of the basic facts and logic of the issue.
February 1st, 2010 at 11:42 pmmosswright says:
Must remind you of your mother when you were banging her
Just when I thought patty cakes couldn’t sink any lower…….he does! Thanks patsy!
Not as low as when you go down your redneck daddy/uncle I’m sure koldys…
February 1st, 2010 at 11:46 pmdrhunt says:
Gary-permanent disability for medical conditions IS the reason doctors sign off on them.
You’re promoting fraud. Typical culture of corruption d**chebag “profane” republican sh*tbag.
February 1st, 2010 at 11:47 pmFace it fool. You can’t. You just don’t have what it takes and it shows…
February 1st, 2010 at 11:52 pm593. drhunt says:
As I stated above, the condition has to be advanced to a sufficient degree before such a complete disability can be signed off. Are you saying that, in point of fact, nothing more is required for a diagnosis of 100% disability than the earliest, initial diagnosis?
I find that less than entirely credible on the face of it. Again, I’m willing to be corrected on this issue, but I’d like something more than a vague announcement.
The question I asked is not whether the conditions you name CAN EVENTUALLY be cited as 100% disability; I am not aware of anyone here who has challenged such a notion, and I know for a fact that I did not. The question I posed (and have now rephrased above) was whether the disease had to progress to a more advanced stage before such a declaration could medically be made.
(Also, of relevance here, is whether this is a matter that varies from state to state.)
February 1st, 2010 at 11:53 pmdrhunt says:
jtbf-so you’re suggesting that ALL permanent disability judgements are fraudulent?
You’re suggesting she commit fraud, you are a criminal.
February 1st, 2010 at 11:53 pmpretend doctor hunt:
Nobody believes you’re anything more than a sock-puppet.
February 1st, 2010 at 11:55 pmYou gave it away the first time you posted here when you were pwned on a climate change thread and immediately informed me that I was now on your ignore list.
BTW, it is now been ten days and we still waiting for you to prove with documented facts your claim that “President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated against the United States of America”
mosswright says:
Wow, Koldy’s must have really handed you your ass a time or twenty, ay patty cakes? Nightmares much?
LOL! You’ve never handled my *ss in any way Koldys. You’ve been a loser since the first time you came to this site, you still are… Project much (oh fear of patsy)? Who is this “patsy” that has you quaking into your books that you think she follows you around the internet? She must really “scare” you patsy? LOL! Poor pathetic, so typical Koldys! ;)
February 1st, 2010 at 11:55 pmMosswrong
Just STFU you ignorant punkass troll. You KNOW you are too stupid to actually contribute to any conversation so stop wasting precious oxygen
February 1st, 2010 at 11:55 pmNotice the pussies know who to avoid. Sad little f uckers they are….
February 1st, 2010 at 11:55 pmdrhunt says:
#592 Gary-the point I was trying to make, was that a Superior Court judge’s ruling is binding and is considered the law…as affirmed by the SCOTUS. A moot point however, since COBRA insurance coverage has a maximum of 36 months in divorce settlements.
No you specifically said family court takes precedent over all state and federal laws – I corrected you as that being a lie.
February 1st, 2010 at 11:56 pmmosswright says:
Msdnc…down 47% in the “all important demo!” LOL!
Only 1% of Americans watch faux news! DOH! ;)
February 1st, 2010 at 11:56 pm596. drhunt says:
A completely irrelevant and disanalogous comparison. You have, in fact, just declared that SCOTUS granted SC judge’s carte blanche authority to rule any way they please on any matter what-so-ever that happens to appear before them. Such a claim is obviously absurd.
SCOTUS did not declare that ANY and ALL decisions made by SC judge’s were absolutely binding, regardless of subject or context. SCOTUS made a specific ruling in a specific case about a specific set of relationships.
None of those specifics or relationships are of any relevance or analogy to the case at hand here.
February 2nd, 2010 at 12:00 amYou’re welcome kkkhunt that I took the time to show you that you were wrong about “legal precedence” and I don’t mind if you’re too insecure to admit to me you were wrong. I have that effect on you p*ssy d**chebag closet cases…
February 2nd, 2010 at 12:01 amThe night is old and so am I. I bid you all good evening, and apologize for lacking the energy (if not manners) to stick around for further replies to the questions I myself asked.
February 2nd, 2010 at 12:11 amG’night Mr. Herstein. I think the good doctor must have been called away on an emergency.
February 2nd, 2010 at 12:16 amFVNY FOAD punk
February 2nd, 2010 at 12:24 amFVNY
Go F UCK yourself
February 2nd, 2010 at 12:39 amdrhunt says:
jtbf-please…get YOUR facts straight…you wrote:
“No you specifically said family court takes precedent over all state and federal laws – I corrected you as that being a lie”.
I wrote RELATED State and federal laws.
LOL! Like “benefits” are “unrelated” to family court? LOL!
You’re as retarded as always.
Seventh Circuit correctly recognized that the standing
That contradicts your statement that “doesn’t have jurisdiction over” – which is wrong you ignorant illiterate f*kkkwad.
Game over…
February 2nd, 2010 at 12:42 amdhunt
I hate to even encourage more of your irrelevant drivel but do you SERIOUSLY think that means that the SC would NEVER overturn ANY decision by a SC family law decision no matter WHAT is was? You are just ridiculous. They didnt intervene in a custody battle so that means they can rule in ANY way and that is it. They were given unlimited power there. Stop being ludicrous and irrelvant. You THINK you are clever. Really you are an idiot
February 2nd, 2010 at 12:43 amMosswrong
STFU
February 2nd, 2010 at 12:47 amdrhunt says:
“It is axiomatic that
What the hell are you talking about and why?
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patrick5 says:
HEALTHCARE NEWS:
Nations ranked by quality of health care:
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:12 am
patrick! What up with the WW2 economy?
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:16 amThanks!
mosswright, what names have you posted under?
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:18 amThanks!
So a command economy with nationalization of heavy industry and government prices and wage controls is the way to turn an economy around?
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:21 amThanks, patrick!
Well, he’s the premier of Newfoundland… so it’s a little like Sarah Palin coming for surgery in the mainland, really…
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:29 amHey, while I’ve got you? Command economy… good thing?
Just wondering why you love nationalization and wage and price controls… that’s all.
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:31 amPatheticPatrick
Just STFU you are nothing but an ignorant punkass troll
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:33 ampatrick5 says:
Ended the great depression. No charge.
So you’re thanking Obama for ending Bush’s depression, that’s almost human of you d**chbag sh!thead moron.
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:43 ampatrick5 says:
HEALTHCARE NEWS: Canadian Premier comes to U.S. for surgery.
Is that the Conservative Premier that’s opposed to universal health care? Shocking act of political theater! LOL!
Oh wait, you saying that a nation of 300 million might have one specialist that’s better than a nation of 30 million? Shocking!
So what about when Americans travel abroad for health care, that’s news to you or are you just a partisan hack that ignores how many Americans travel abroad to get “superior” health care they can’t afford in the US?
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:46 amPatrick, when it comes to doctors and technology, the US is tops in the world but only for those who have the ability to pay for it…
What the trolls refuse to see is that for emergency procedures, there isn’t the wait time they always claim…It’s for non-emergency procedures
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:47 ampatrick5 says:
HEALTHCARE NEWS: Canadian Premier comes to U.S. for surgery.
LOL! It’s not the canadian premier you ignorant d**chebag! It’s Newfoundland a rural backwoods province. That would be like someone from Alaska going to Vancouver to get treatment – oh wait that never happens! LOL! ;)
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:47 ammosswright says:
Game over…
Yep. You lost, again.
Talking to yourself again Koldys? Another teabagger loser cedes defeat by projecting. Next?
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:48 ampatrick5 says:
Why if US healthcare is so bad is the Canadian premier coming here for heart surgery? Doesn’t want to wait six months I imagine.
Except the “Canadian premier” isn’t coming, the Newfoundland (think Alabama) is coming to the US. Shocking how and under funded redneck province might not have the “best” doctors! I’m sure the Yukon is just filled with heart specialists as well – right patsy? LOL! Moron!
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:50 ampatrick5 says:
A conservative rich guy who wants to underfund his province travels to the best specialists money can buy on medical tourism! Shocker! LOL!
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:57 am#550 bizarro-It has to do with determining whether, or not, a Family Court judge in Superior Court has the authority to mandate extended COBRA insurance payments of the ex-husband for the ex-wife. He does.
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February 2nd, 2010 at 2:36 amThe pledge of allegiance has to do with divorce? Where’d you pull that from?
patrick5 says:
Why if US healthcare is so bad is the Canadian premier coming here for heart surgery?
Newfoundland and Labrador. It’s because in North America people go to the most appropriate hospital they can find, thanks to NAFTA. Some from Canada come here. Some from America go there. I’ll admit that Canada currently is having some difficulty retaining high-end cardiac surgeons, which could be easily fixed with a slight adjustment to their payment schedule. However, the fact remains that the Canadian health care system will still be paying for his treatment either way.
What about all of the U.S. Citizens who can’t afford to get health care in the U.S? How does having our doctors taking care of foreigners (paid for by their governments) make up for the fact that our own people can’t afford such care?
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patrick5 says:
If a command economy worked with nationalization there wouldn’t have been 21% unemployment on the day the war started.
Obviously the “command economy” hadn’t been implemented on the day the war started. How about on the day it ended?
February 2nd, 2010 at 3:35 ambizarrobrain (Sponsored by Tysons chicken in a tube!) says:
The pledge of allegiance has to do with divorce? Where’d you pull that from?
Oh, drhunt is waaay out in the thicket crawling down squirrel holes at this point. I recomment you don’t follow him.
February 2nd, 2010 at 3:37 amElBruce, owned and operated by NewsCorp, Inc. says:
Oh, drhunt is waaay out in the thicket crawling down squirrel holes at this point. I recomment you don’t follow him.
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If he’s a doc…he’s gotten into the funny pills. I’m not going to get on his derailing train of “logic.”
Alright…good night everyone. Try to get some sleep…heavy exposure to trolls can’t be good for ones health. :)
February 2nd, 2010 at 3:41 amConservatives claim that homosexuality will kill the American family but I’m fairly confident that the health insurance industry will handle that task with no remorse.
February 2nd, 2010 at 9:50 amHooray for socilaized medicine!
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Zooey, I have really enjoyed your total pwning of Jonathan Bell. Concise, surgical, devastating.
Kudos to you.
Why thank you, ralph. *blush*
Sorry I missed this last night…
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February 8th, 2010 at 8:37 am