Conservatives Fearmonger About Repealing DADT: It Will Lead To The Draft And ‘Mortally’ Wound The Military
Conservatives Fearmonger About Repealing DADT: It Will Lead To The Draft And ‘Mortally’ Wound The Military
After President Obama declared in his State of the Union address last week that he would “work with Congress and our military to finally repeal” the military’s Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy “this year,” conservatives predictably balked at the idea. “With all due respect to his sincerely held if abstractly formed views on this subject, it would be reckless to require the military to carry out a major sociological change, one contrary to the preferences of a large majority of its members, as it fights two wars,” wrote the Weekly Standard’s Bill Kristol.
With the push for overturning DADT gaining momentum and the support of Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Michael Mullen, conservative fearmongering about the potential effects of repeal have gone into overdrive with suggestions that the policy change would “mortally” damage the all-volunteer military. During a hearing with Mullen and Defense Secretary Robert Gates today, Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) warned that allowing “the presence in the armed forces of persons who demonstrate a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts” would pave the way for allowing “alcohol use, adultery, fraternization, and body art” in the military. On CNN today, Family Research Council President Tony Perkins suggested it could lead to the re-institution of the draft:
PERKINS: Let’s go back to the Military Times in 2008 had a poll of active duty military members. Fifty-eight percent said they were opposed to overturning this policy. And many have said that this will cause them to reconsider whether or not they will stay in the military. And it will have an impact upon recruiting. I mean this is an issue of retention and recruitment for the military and it ultimately could lead back to the imposition of a draft in order to fill the numbers and quotas in the military.
Perkins’ draft claim was echoed in a statement today by Rabbi Yehuda Levin of the Rabbinical Alliance of America, who also suggested that repealing DADT could cause earthquakes and other natural disasters. Watch it:
Dr. Nathaniel Frank responded to Perkins’ “fear tactics” about military retention — a claim that relies on a “unscientific, self-selective” survey by Military Times of its subscribers, not a random sample of active duty soldiers — by pointing out that “polls show in Canada and Britain that when they asked service members if they would, if they wanted to serve with gays, two-thirds of them refused. Absolutely refused. But when they actually lifted the bans anyway, about 2 people, 2 people, not the thousands predicted by the polls actually left.”
Nearly 14,000 gay and lesbian service men and women have been discharged from military service since 1993. Additionally, a 2007 study by the Williams Institute found that DADT hurts retention as “an estimated 4,000 lesbian, gay, and bisexual military personnel” per year since 1994 “would have been retained if they could have been more open about their sexual orientation.”
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Conservatives Fearmonger About Repealing DADT: It Will Lead To The Draft And ‘Mortally’ Wound The Military
Conservatards: “I’m so SCARED!”
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:10 pmAs it has to the fighting forces of the nations that don’t have such a policy?
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:10 pmWow. Lots of wing nut heads exploding. Gonna be a messy clean up. What are they so afraid of?
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:10 pmSen. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) warned that allowing “the presence in the armed forces of persons who demonstrate a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts” would pave the way for allowing “alcohol use, adultery, fraternization, and body art” in the military.
After flinging this ridiculous crap, Princess Chambliss needed a sweet tea and young boy to fan her.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:11 pmThe teabaggers that are screeching the most are the ones that never served our country. I served with gays in the military and they did their job just as well and as competent as anyone else. No one cared they were gay, and most people knew they were gay including our officers. Teabaggers need to stop acting like they know something about being in the military. They will only continue to look more ignorant…if that’s even possible.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:11 pmPreemptive comment for Jonathan Bell:
Not my problem.
(Y’all know he’s gonna be here…)
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:12 pmJonathan Bell is just really bad parody
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:13 pmHow in the Hell will allowing gays to serve in the military lead to the draft? We have two wars going on and this SOB will scapegoat gays? Many people have been calling on having the draft reinstated because of these wars. Now, conveniently the GOP will use Gays as a reason? What a bunch of evil cretins.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:14 pmConservatives Fearmonger About Repealing DADT: It Will Lead To The Draft And ‘Mortally’ Wound The Military
These idiots apparently don’t realize that our military is already mortally wounded. Reinstatement of the draft is long overdue.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:14 pmdbadass says:
Jonathan Bell is just really bad parody
Then he deserves to be treated like a troll.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:15 pmYup…be afraid…DADT will get repealed and you Conservatives will be drafted into teh gay empire! /sarc
Dumba**es.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:18 pmProgressives are Talkers.
Conservatives are Stalkers.
Get the phuck out of our bedrooms & go back to your stalls.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:18 pm“Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!”
“Looks like I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue …”
Are there any conservatard talking points I’ve missed here?
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:20 pmEver notice how homophobic conservatives usually seem to usually be the kind of people who couldn’t get laid unless they payed for it? I bet that’s where a large portion of the anger comes from.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:21 pmAh, more of the “do what the Dems want and we’ll all die” crap from the right.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:23 pmIf the members of our current military are so afraid of gay people maybe they need to be replaced with less fearful people.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:24 pmWait until they find out there are gays attending our schools.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:24 pmPer #4,
‘Cause after all, those things never happened before …
I mean, SSJ, is it even possible for these Repugnantcons to be any stupider?
(The obvious answer to my own question is, of course, “yes;” the real difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits …)
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:25 pmWhy should the right-whiners worry about extending equal rights to all Americans? They generally don’t join the military, so it wouldn’t affect them anyway.
Furthermore, our military already works side by side with the openly gay members from other countries in both Iraq and Afghanistan, so it’s not going to be a big change at all!
Leave it to the right-whiners to push their anti-American anti-gay agenda on everyone.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:26 pmTo all those in the military who say they will leave if DADT is repealed, this proud Navy veteran says: good. Get the **k out.
Our country will be better served without you.
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14. bizarrobrain (Sponsored by Tysons chicken in a tube!) says:
Well, they are obviously convinced that gays are having a whole lot more fun than they are (at least, the one’s who aren’t being beaten to death and crucified …), otherwise there’d be nothing about TEH HOMO lifestyle that could so pose such a dangerous seduction to our children and livestock.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:29 pmGary Herstein says:
I mean, SSJ, is it even possible for these Repugnantcons to be any stupider?
Yes. Teabaggers are a good example. Failin’ Palin (R-Quitter) fans are another.
Granted, they are all subsets, but still…
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:29 pm“the presence in the armed forces of persons who demonstrate a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts” would pave the way for allowing “alcohol use, adultery, fraternization, and body art” in the military.
Oh noes, the U.S. military will lose battles because of…
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wait for it…
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tattoos.
Because everybody knows the roman empire fell after they started letting their soldiers fraternize.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:30 pmis Chambliss under the impression that alcohol use, adultery, fraternization, and body art isn’t already in the military?
During the Bush years they lowered the bar on how low can a tattoo be on the arm, they lowered the bar on the completed education level and the GOP is now worried that soldiers will want to drink and have sex. Oh the horror.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:32 pmGary Herstein says:
Well, they are obviously convinced that gays are having a whole lot more fun than they are (at least, the one’s who aren’t being beaten to death and crucified …), otherwise there’d be nothing about TEH HOMO lifestyle that could so pose such a dangerous seduction to our children and livestock.
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Yup…the gays are having more fun and good for them! They don’t care about who’s doing what in what orifice and they’re not killing anyone who disagrees with their sexual choices.
The tea-baggers in our neighborhoods are a more dangerous threat to…well everyone! One would kill your kid and attack your goat at the same time. I suggest we force them into exile for the safety of this nation. Give em’ Texas.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:35 pmSen. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) warned that allowing “the presence in the armed forces of persons who demonstrate a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts” would pave the way for allowing “alcohol use, adultery, fraternization, and body art” in the military.
Chambliss is way too late on these “unseemly acts” because they have been happening for decades. Chambliss and the rest of the boobs coming out against repeal of DADT are the typical conservatives. They get a recommendation from the experts and when it does not fit their viewpoint, they disregard the experts.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:35 pmHow dumb do these people think our troops are? They are ALREADY serving with gay people and have been for years. They really think our troops are so stupid as to not know this? Or maybe they just think they are so dumb that they can’t handle “certainty” about who is gay and who isn’t?
Weren’t these some of the same arguments proffered to prevent segregation of our armed services?
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:36 pmCan someone please explain how gay = alcohol and tattoos?
Have any of these religious zealots ever taken psych 101? Or pulled their head out of their asses long enough to get enough oxygen to form a rational thought? Huh? Have they?
Nah. Didn’t think so.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:36 pmConservatism is my Anti-drug,
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:36 pmPlease you tea-baggers are weak off the battle-field. I could run circles around you pussies.
Oh the scary gays…Oo0o0oo0o0ooooo
repugs don’t give the recruiters credit, the drill sgts credit, or the military credit for training the best people possible. It’s all about sex to them.
repugs are pathetic. They always want to call the shots in someone’s bed. For a group to cry to be holier-than-thou, they sure want to play cockandpussy cops.
repugs sound so stoopid it’s mind numbing. One thing about the military, they hold to a standard that’s above the boad and fair. The rules apply to all regardless sexuality.
repugs are making the US unsafe by passing on their fears to their dense club.
STFU repugs and tend to your pimps, whores, adulterers, toe-tappers, diaper wearing kooks.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:37 pm21. Conservatism is my Anti-drug says:
I realize you are far too stupid to ever permit facts (much less logic) to interfere with your infantile ideology still, I feel compelled to pose the question:
Can you present even a single REAL example to justify your childish spewing?
(Quite aside from the utter lack of even basic logical skills in your quote above where you explicitly conflate “looking weaker” with actually being “less strong.” I mean, what are you, some kind of metro? Appearance is everything?)
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:38 pmHmmm…I just CAN’T imagine why the good, wholesome, Christian, breed’n, Rushpubs would not like a draft?
After all, THEY should be the first ones in line with all of their spawn, eh, children, to get them into a uniform.
OH YA…
Gett’n OTHER peoples brats into the military is all they care about! NO WAY are they going to let theirs go in!
Just look at all the great military experience that GWB got in Vietnam…opps. I mean Mr. Cheeeeney…opps. Maybe Rummy? Opps…
I give up on Rushpubs.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:38 pmBring back the draft and take the teabaggers off the street
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:39 pmNow we have the heart of the matter, the chickenhawks are afraid of a draft! LOL! ;)
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:40 pmConservatism is my Anti-drug says:
It won’t lead to a draft but it will lead to making our military look weaker and making our military less strong. Keep gays and women off the battlefield.
If gays are so “weak”, why are you coward p*ssy conservatives so afraid of them? LOL! You retards always contradict yourself – too funny! LOL! ;)
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:41 pmRab says:
Bring back the draft and take the teabaggers off the street
Perhaps to the military, but more than likely to Canada. They are all cowards, after all.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:42 pmPseudonym says:
Weren’t these some of the same arguments proffered to prevent segregation of our armed services?
Yes, these same arguments were made when Roosevelt wanted to integrate the military. There was a lot of opposition to integration. But it got done.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:42 pmConservatism is my Anti-drug says:
…making our military less strong. Keep gays and women off the battlefield.
Ya, the Israeli military is REAL weak!
(and I’m pretty sure that you are SO dumb that you don’t know what that means…it means, gay is OK in the Israeli military. AND, watch those snide comments since all the Rushpubs just seem to love Israel.)
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:42 pmLefty Liberal says:
The only change to the military if they allow gays to serve openly will be that the uniforms might get redesigned and then would look FABULOUS!
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Now you owe me a key-board! :)
I remember reading something about a fashion company here in the US re-designing camo for the soldiers back in 2007. I’ll see if I can find the article.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:43 pmLefty Liberal says:
Wasn’t it Truman that wanted (and did) integrate the military?
Yes. As a matter of fact, Eleanor Roosevelt was pushing for civil rights, but the President decided against it because of WWII and the Dixiecrats.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:48 pm“Wasn’t it Truman that wanted (and did) integrate the military?”
I believe it was the sustained efforts of both Truman and Eisenhouer.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:49 pm29. Pseudonym says:
“Years” as in, “forever.” Not that my personal experience accounts for much, but I certainly knew of gays in my unit from over 30 years ago.
Speaking personally, I just don’t get the issue and never have. The gays weren’t interested in me (and if they had been, I’d have been more puzzled than anything). As far as I was concerned they were just less competition for the ladies’ attentions. The only people in my unit who ever made my skin crawl were the one’s who would not, and would not even try, to do their friggin’ jobs. Sexual orientation had nothing to do with that.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:50 pmLefty Liberal says:
Back in the late 70’s or early 80’s the Boy Scouts redesigned their uniforms. The redesign was done by Oscar de la Renta. And the Boy Scouts have problems with gays in their ranks…
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Hypocrisy at it’s finest.
And I don’t have much respect for the Boy Scouts…a friend of mine was outed shortly after he became an Eagle Scout by his own mother. His own mother blurting out his secret him is cruel enough. He was openly gay in the outside world but he had to hide his sexuality there.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:51 pmEnnuiDivine (a wholly owned and operated subsidiary of Hexxon) says:
Can someone please explain how gay = alcohol and tattoos?
I believe all three are outward signs of demonic possession.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:51 pmAlcohol, homosexuality and tattoos. Well I have tattoos and I drink…am I only partially possessed?
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:53 pmAlso, speaking only for myself as a hetero male, what is it about the female intimate areas that some of you folks above find so distasteful that you compare these infantile, loathsome, gutless, snivelling right-wing hypocrites to said parts?
Alternatively, my cats are very fond of me and I am very fond of them.
Perhaps it is time to find a more appropriate pejorative term?
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:54 pmLefty Liberal says:
“If it wasn’t for gays in scouting, then who would get the circle jerks started on the camping trips?”
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February 2nd, 2010 at 4:55 pmHaha. I give that the pitching a tent badge.
On a related note:
Kos commissioned a poll of GOoPers. It’s not surprising but it does quantify just how radical the Reichwhiners really are.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/2/2/832988/-The-2010-Comprehensive-Daily-Kos-Research-2000-Poll-of-Self-Identified-Republicans
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:55 pmrepugs enjoy watching the show “24″ because they believe it’s real. It’s no wonder they fear teh gays, their idea of a Gay man or woman in the service comes straight out of a 1920s D-list movie.
I suppose teatards believe teh gay would be wearing boas with US issued uniforms and having wild sex on a military stage.
Instead of Reefer Madness, it’s Teh Gay Madness.
repugs we are moving forward whether you like it or not.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:56 pmCamid–
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:56 pmLet them look weak.
You’re absolutely right: A US force with homosexuals in it will look weak and unmanly to the macho culture forces we might come up against.
It will further reinforce the view many have of the US as a pleasure-loving, lazy, fat culture with no will zur macht.
It will therefore make it all the more devastating when these culturally impure, secular milquetoasts roll them up like a carpet.
It’s what the Nazis thought of us. It destroyed them.
As long as the other guys make the same mistake, it’s to our advantage.
Gary Herstein says:
Also, speaking only for myself as a hetero male, what is it about the female intimate areas that some of you folks above find so distasteful that you compare these infantile, loathsome, gutless, snivelling right-wing hypocrites to said parts?
Alternatively, my cats are very fond of me and I am very fond of them.
Perhaps it is time to find a more appropriate pejorative term?
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February 2nd, 2010 at 4:56 pmYou’re right Gary…my bad. Is a**hole still safe? It is gender neutral after all.
54.
Turds
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:57 pmConservatives, very scared about Sexual Harrassment in the Military (and contractors), but only if you’re a man. Strengthening anti-rape provisions in policy would “demoralize” our troops.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:57 pm53. bizarrobrain (Sponsored by Tysons chicken in a tube!) says:
You just elevated yourself to Jonathon Bell’s stalking list, dude.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:57 pmAlso, John McCain is a garbage bag of a human being.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:57 pmGary Herstein says:
Also, speaking only for myself as a hetero male, what is it about the female intimate areas that some of you folks above find so distasteful that you compare these infantile, loathsome, gutless, snivelling right-wing hypocrites to said parts?
Alternatively, my cats are very fond of me and I am very fond of them.
Perhaps it is time to find a more appropriate pejorative term?
I agree! repugs are dics!
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:59 pmLefty Liberal says:
Go down to your local Gay and Lesbian Center, I’m sure someone there will be happy to convert you so you will be “fully possessed? ;)
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Haha. I’ll pass on being full possessed.
Wait…do I get to throw up pea-soup and sound like I just swallowed a bucket of nails if I am “possessed?” Or does that not apply here?
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:00 pm59. bizarrobrain (Sponsored by Tysons chicken in a tube!) says:
Safe, nuthin’ — I’m looking for accuracy. But yeah, that certainly seems to fit.
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:01 pmGary Herstein says:
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:01 pmYou just elevated yourself to Jonathon Bell’s stalking list, dude.
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Good. I’ll make him my b!tch.
“Puke”
“Maggot”
“Rat-bag”
“Cockroach”
“Cockroach droppings”
Also good starting points.
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:02 pmGary Herstein says:
Safe, nuthin’ — I’m looking for accuracy. But yeah, that certainly seems to fit.
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February 2nd, 2010 at 5:02 pmI’m gonna have to think about this for awhile. I realize now that my list of gender neutral genital related insults is really short one.
Lefty Liberal says:
No, but you do get an innate fashion sense. I would add that you also get a wicked sense of humor, but you already have that :)
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Haha.
The wife would love the fashion part. She’s tired of my side of the closet being just t-shirts, work shirts and jeans.
And thank you for the compliment and I’d like to thank you for sharing your wonderful sense of humor with us :)
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:06 pmFear and blow up is all the repugs know.
Fear, NY, gays, money, oil, water.
Don’t fear, coal, pollution, carbon, climate change…
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:06 pmBreaking… Underwear bombing suspect giving actionable intelligence about terror suspects in Yemen. Seems as if arresting him and giving him the Miranda Rights was a GOOD idea, wasn’t it trolls?
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:06 pmInstead of taking part in this policy hearing shouldn’t Senator Saxby Chambliss be off somewhere making another commercial smearing decorated war heroes?
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:08 pmHas Sen. Lindsey Graham (R, SC) weighed in on the matter, yet?
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:08 pmLefty Liberal,
[blush]
haha.
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:09 pmLefty Liberal, pags2,
Interestingly both Republicans and Democrats announced race-integration in the US military ( and other government service) as part of their election platforms in 1940. ,at their party [arty conventions in 1940, but attempting to make it happen during the WWII was bound to be problematic.
The integration bill was signed into law in 1948— the performance of the Tuskegee Airmen and African-American servicemen in general of course made arguments against integration demonstrably ridiculous (and of course race-discrimination didn’t end just because it was suddenly against the law or that the bigots had bee proven wrong).
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:10 pmLefty Liberal says:
Maybe we should get you on a west coast version of “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy”?
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February 2nd, 2010 at 5:15 pmNah…I don’t do overly flashy clothing. I like comfortable clothing that will last me a while. Though I would be willing to wear one of those shirts with the goofy silk frilly things on the front. Like this.
Lefty Liberal says:
What does a 500 lb. mouse say … ?
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:16 pmA: Here kitty, kitty, kitty.
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:18 pmRepublicans will never let it happen. Not when it means the children of their wealthy corporate sponsors would have to fight.
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:18 pm83. bizarrobrain (Sponsored by Tysons chicken in a tube!) says:
There are pictures of me in full Renaissance nobleman regalia.
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:19 pmi sincerely hope something leads to the draft.
the fair application of selective service is one of the only things that will force future presidents to think twice before illegally overcommitting troops in places they have no business being.
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:22 pmGary Herstein says:
There are pictures of me in full Renaissance nobleman regalia.
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What was the occasion?
And the last time I dressed up as anything was my senior year of high-school and that was as Cassius in a school production of Julius Caesar.
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:24 pmI can’t help but wonder; how many of these freaks carry around a King James Bible? It’s just so wonderfully ironic.
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:25 pmDid you guys see ‘Hard Ball’ with that homophobic as*wipe.
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:26 pmJonathan Bell
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:27 pmCan I see your homo credentials?
Jonathan Bell,
You don’t know shit! And the only thing you’re an expert in is bigotry and buffoonery.
People are more adult than you’d like to believe. If they can get along in the work-force they can get along on the battle-field. If you don’t like it…tough shit.
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:27 pmThere’s nothing like FIRST CLASS Citizenship, to make one want to defend America , and its way of life.
Homosexuals are the last Americans that can suffer Discrimination by the Laws and Some People without Widespread social Sanctions.
This is the 21st century. Admiral Mullen deserves Credit for his willingness to take a stand on this issue.
Bill Kristol is just a Neocon Bigot.
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:28 pmThe next day we’d be attacked by ALL of our enemies.
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February 2nd, 2010 at 5:28 pmAnd I will be kicking back with a cold one watching your silly ass scamper about…
Jonathan Bell says:
As the only recognized expert here on this subject
You’re an expert on how to be a closet case d**chebag in denial – that’s the extent of your expertise.
Jonathan Bell says:
allow me to state that allowing the homo to serve in the military would be an absolute disaster.
What is “the homo”? Allowing “the homophobe” to go untreated is a case of the failure of America’s health care system to treat those that need it.
Jonathan Bell says:
Straight serving personnel would quit and we’d be stuck with an all homo military force.
LOL! You retards think everyone is a “homophobe” like you are? You kidding? You might even come out of the closet if people stop “judging” you for your “sickness”, right princess?
Jonathan Bell says:
The next day we’d be attacked by ALL of our enemies.
And you teabaggers would let the country fall because you care more about zealot ideology than our country? Yep. I believe you would be true, but you forget that over half of the country disagrees with you and your terrorist mentality. We’d protect you little coward p*ssy, even from your retarded self…
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:28 pmdbadass says:
Jonathan Bell
Can I see your homo credentials?
Jonnie is an admitted “ex-gay”, I’m pretty sure his credentials have been spread all over several mens rooms along with his raunchy *ss… ;)
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:29 pmHomophobes come in all shapes and sizes..mostly fat, ugly, old, white men…Hummm..did I just describe MOST all republicans in Congress?? Yup….
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:30 pmjust the bleepn facts,
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:31 pmThis is why that ex-gay shit needs to be illegal. If someone wants to “go straight” let them do in the comfort of their family and friends and not through a program that doesn’t completely f**ks with their heads!
then why isn’t it already a disaster?
gays have been serving since the Revolutionary War, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.
if you were even 1% correct, the disaster you warn of would already be reality.
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:32 pmSpeaking of Homophobes, some guy from the Family Research council was on Chris Matthews (just now EST) upset that gays are in the military and should not be in the military in fact gays should be outlawed. He seems to think that gays in the military leads to sex as that’s apparently, according to him, is the only thing that gay soldiers will think about. WOW WOW WOW
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:35 pmJonathan Bell says:
Psst, Jonathan… the gays already serve in the military.
Also, you may want to tell the Spartans and the Athenians that allowing them to serve openly would be a disaster… yea, those guys in 300?
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:35 pmThe real guys were totally doing each other… they thought it improved unit cohesion.
Not surprisingly, the stupid troll has a very low opinion of our troops. Frankly, I would feel very unsafe if I thought our fine serving men and women would commit the serious crime of desertion because gay people make them feel icky.
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:35 pmThere must be a lot of gay people going to churches and mega-churches in the south if you follow the troll’s logic aka gays cause disaster. Look at all the tornado’s that hit the bible belt.
And Sweden pretty much never gets hit by a really serious natural disaster or into armed conflict and their country is very friendly towards the LBGT community. Explain that.
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:35 pmDuncan Hunter was on All Things Considered this evening describing Mullen as “a political appointee”, and mentioning “shower issues”, “transgenderism”, etc.
I really wonder whether this was the time to introduce this with Obama on the defensive; it just gives the crazies a chance to go whole hog.
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:36 pmGood. Then LET the military be mortally wounded, and let’s use 52% of our national budget for something that actually helps the citizens of the USA.
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:37 pmJohnnyBell
Let me translate from wingnut. What Johnny means as the only brainwashed moron and ignorant bigot here he wants to tell some lies and pretend everyone is as stupid and bigoted as he is. When in fact very FEW people are as stupid OR as much of a bigot as JohnnyBell
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:38 pmliberalinaredstate says:
Speaking of Homophobes, some guy from the Family Research council was on Chris Matthews (just now EST) upset that gays are in the military and should not be in the military in fact gays should be outlawed. He seems to think that gays in the military leads to sex as that’s apparently, according to him, is the only thing that gay soldiers will think about. WOW WOW WOW
That’s because the only thing he thinks about is gay sex with gay soldiers…. ;)
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:42 pmZooey (sponsored by The Blue Sun Corporation) says:
These idiots apparently don’t realize that our military is already mortally wounded. Reinstatement of the draft is long overdue.
I can’t get behind that. The military-industrial complex is entrenched enough already without changing the rest of society around to conform to it. What we should be doing is restricting our foreign adventurism below a level that can be sustained with a volunteer military, without relying on stop-loss or “borrowing” National Guard units and equipment.
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PERKINS: Let’s go back to the Military Times in 2008 had a poll of active duty military members.
The Military Times’ “mail in this card” polls are less than worthless.
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Jonathan Bell says:
As the only recognized expert here on this subject
Watching a lot of army-themed gay porn doesn’t make you an expert on gays in the military.
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:50 pmPerkins’ draft claim was echoed in a statement today by Rabbi Yehuda Levin of the Rabbinical Alliance of America, who also suggested that repealing DADT could cause earthquakes and other natural disasters WTF? Who the hell is Yehuda Levin, and what has he got to do with anything?
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:57 pm89. bizarrobrain (Sponsored by Tysons chicken in a tube!) says:
Bristol Renaissance Faire (and it was way more than just ONE occasion, by the bye!)
Sadly, geography and travel times preclude my attendance this year, or any time in the foreseeable future.
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:00 pm90. Jonathan Bell says:
People recognize that you are gay? Or does that only happen when you are “properly” dressed?
(You keep pictures of the Village People up by your dressing mirror, don’t you?)
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:02 pmJonathan Bell says:
As the only recognized expert here on this subject
Woot! The jury is still out as to whether you are even human let alone an expert on anything.
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:02 pmRepublicans are always scared of stuff. They are wimps. Terrorists terrorize the Republican into doing things the terrorist’s way. the Republican falls into the terrorist’s traps. Democrats say thanks, but no thanks to terrorist plans.
A lot of this stuff is blow-back from irresponsible Republican leaders of the recent past. That has to weigh heavy of the Republican conscience… if they had one…
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:03 pm5th Estate says:
Interestingly both Republicans and Democrats announced race-integration in the US military ( and other government service) as part of their election platforms in 1940. ,at their party [arty conventions in 1940, but attempting to make it happen during the WWII was bound to be problematic.
Eleanor Roosevelt was pushing for civil rights for all blacks, not just the ones in the military. I suppose FDR and Truman should have met the problem head on and let the Dixiecrats leave. If they did, it would have cost them all of the chairmanships of a lot of major committees in Congress.
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:05 pmI really wonder whether this was the time to introduce this with Obama on the defensive; it just gives the crazies a chance to go whole hog.
It’s the perfect time. It has no budgetary impact and the crazies are out in force anyway.
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:05 pmJohnnyBell
So dear patsy Koldys, did you become an expert when you were arrested for soliciting sex from another man or was that just the culmination in your expertise? It must have really s*kkked having to quit your job after people found out you were a closet ‘mo huh? ;)
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:07 pm“O’er the land of the freeeeeeee” (Offer subject to certain restrictions. If you are male, straight and Christian otherwise many restrictions apply. Check your nearest homophobic bigot in Congress for details)
“And the home of the brave.” (Unless someone mentions terrorist, Islamofacist or progressive whereupon certain members of society will experience an embarrassing accident as they run for the nearest closet or raised bed.)
PLAY BALL!
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:09 pm115. Ape-Man says:
Fear makes people malleable, more easily manipulated. Since the Repugnantcons cannot justify their vicious power agenda with anything like logic, principles, evidence or facts, they resort to the one infantile stunt that consistently works for them: fear and bullying.
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:09 pmYehuda is an old testament kind of guy…His GOD is venegful, spiteful and will cut you down in an instant..Fearing his GOD is not enough, being in terror of his GOD is where he’s at… and that’s ok for Yehuda… and his contributors and followers…
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:10 pmHowever, he doesn’t have a direct line to GOD anymore than the Pope or Pat Robertson…or Osama Bin Laden…or Jim Jones, or Billy Graham, or…or…or…
I mean this is an issue of retention and recruitment for the military
I’m sorry but people who are more concerned with their crotch than their job really shouldn’t be retained in the military. I’m sure there are companies in the US who have hiring standards and questions that include…’Can you do your job if you are wondering if the person in the next cubicle thinks you are hot?”
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:14 pmHood..
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:21 pm.you’re right…those gays in uniform that watched a member of their platoon
get blown to pieces by an IED were probably looking to see if their dead buddy’s crotch was still in tact…or maybe got wood looking at a dead marine who’s leg was showing through his shredded fatigues…
#90 – Jonathan Bell says:
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“As the only <strongself-proclaimed expert here on this subject …”
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:24 pm
Ha! Wow, you really know how to crack a joke!
How much time have you spent serving in the military?
How many gay military members have you met?
I had not one single problem with any of my roommates when I was on active duty. In fact, they didn’t care one single bit that I was gay and they were straight. Not one bit.
Your only “experience” in this matter is that you want to force your anti-American anti-gay agenda on everyone else. I’m very glad you have no say over extending equal rights for all Americans.
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:22 pmJonathan Bell,
You are a liar and a homophobe. And neither is something to be proud of.
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:24 pmCan someone explain why conservatives have so little respect for the men and women who make up our armed forces?
is it because so few of them chose to serve and thus they look down upon those whose daddies couldn’t get them into the Texas ANG or out entirely?
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:26 pmI think a draft would be a wonderful way to show the few “Young Republicans” that are actually young enough to serve in the military what a great policy like “kill all the Arabs” is.
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:27 pmCan the silly odomite trolls explain why the Israeli military allows openly gay individuals to serve?
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:32 pmI’m not going to your link, Jonathan. Do you have a point to make, other than that you’re a damned liar and a raging homophobe?
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:38 pmGary Herstein says:
Bristol Renaissance Faire (and it was way more than just ONE occasion, by the bye!)
Sadly, geography and travel times preclude my attendance this year, or any time in the foreseeable future.
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Still looks like fun! And screw the trolls that say its nerdy…sometimes the funnest things in life are nerdy.
Though no comparison to the classic feel of a medieval faire…I might do one of the local haunted houses this year…friends of mine have been trying to get me to do it for about three years in a row now.
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:38 pmJonathan Bell,
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:43 pmIf you went camping, and woke up with a condom in your ass, would you tell anyone?
OT
other good news.. Iran says they will agree to nuclear enrichment plans!…. (the white house is skeptical though)
so… all you right wingers – are you still insisting Obama hasn’t brought the change he spoke of?
if Iran agrees to this deal.. that’s a major breakthrough and takes a load off the entire world’s collective shoulders.. it’s a major step towards peace in the middle east and a very crucial part of ending a nuclear threat.
and… here we are discussing repealing DADT.. that is another huge accomplishment..
health care reform has been a b!tch.. but it’s not the only accomplishment in this presidency.. actually they are piling up left and right – saved from a depression, taking meaningful steps towards fixing the deficit in the middle of a recession, bringing America back into grace with the international community – so many accomplishments for one president only a year in..
but he hasn’t done much of anything.. right righties?
as I’ve said.. Obama is going to prove to be one of the best presidents in our history – one that rivals even the founding fathers. I’m quite proud.
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:46 pmJonathan Bell:
Have you no opinion regarding gays serving openly in the Israeli military since 1993?
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:46 pmJonathan Bell..
could you give me what passage DADT is referenced in the Bible please.. I’m intrigued.
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:52 pmThe rapture’s a lie!
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:52 pmJonathan Bell.. people like you shouldn’t be allowed to own a Bible.. you aren’t equipped to understand it -
and you have no interest in following it’s morals – so why bother?
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:55 pmIt never ceases to amaze me what Bill Kristol can pull out of his ass.
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:55 pm132. bizarrobrain (Sponsored by Tysons chicken in a tube!) says:
First he’d have to notice …
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:59 pmRead your Bible.
Why? It’s no more accurate than a Republican Talking Points Memo.
February 2nd, 2010 at 7:00 pmJonathan Bell says:
I see, so believe Israel is the antichrist?
February 2nd, 2010 at 7:02 pmGary Herstein,
First he’d have to notice…
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February 2nd, 2010 at 7:02 pmHaha.
Why do I get the feeling little Johnny was abused sexually by a pastor as a child?
correction:
February 2nd, 2010 at 7:04 pmJonnathan:
So you believe that Israel is the antichrist.
143. bizarrobrain (Sponsored by Tysons chicken in a tube!) says:
I rather had the impression that pastor Johnny was the predator.
February 2nd, 2010 at 7:07 pmIt wasn’t a pastor. It was a foster parent.
Jonathan, I’m sorry for your painful childhood. But ignoring your true self isn’t going to help you escape the things that haunt you.
February 2nd, 2010 at 7:08 pmGary Herstein says:
I rather had the impression that pastor Johnny was the predator.
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February 2nd, 2010 at 7:10 pmTouche. Yeah he just seems like the kind of person who would commit a horrible act and then blame the victim for his actions.
Conservatism is my Anti-drug says:
This comment has been voted down. Click to read.
It won’t lead to a draft but it will lead to making our military look weaker and making our military less strong. Keep gays and women off the battlefield.
Oh yes, you travel back in time to the 4th century BCE Greece and tell that to the Sacred Band…you know those gay men who could kick anyone’s asses…until their last stand against Alexander…
February 2nd, 2010 at 7:13 pmralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:
It wasn’t a pastor. It was a foster parent.
Jonathan, I’m sorry for your painful childhood. But ignoring your true self isn’t going to help you escape the things that haunt you.
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Who really knows what’s wrong with Jonathan?
I’m not very sympathetic to those who lack sympathy for victims of diseases like Terri Carlson.
February 2nd, 2010 at 7:13 pmJohnnyBell
You are a liar and a moron. Why do you persist in humiliting yourself here?
February 2nd, 2010 at 7:16 pmUSCkitty can’t you state a better metaphor than:
February 2nd, 2010 at 7:29 pm“until their last stand against Alexander…”
or are you intentionally Flaming the Fire?
Uh-Oh…Katie Couric is on and just sent out a fear arrow…
February 2nd, 2010 at 7:34 pm“Terrorist to strike at U.S…..expected in the next 3 to 6 months” based upon fresh intel…
Jonathan Bell says:
As the only recognized expert here on this subject allow me to state that allowing the homo to serve in the military would be an absolute disaster.
“Hello, my name is Jonathan Bell, and I’m an expert on all things homo.”
“I just told you.”
Wow.
February 2nd, 2010 at 7:37 pmno I am not intentionally flaming their fire…they made a last stand against Alexander in the Battle of Chaeronea
February 2nd, 2010 at 7:37 pmJonathan Bell says:
Reggie, this was prophesied and it is why we are closer to the end times and the rapture. Read your Bible.
What was prophesied? That Israel would let gays serve in their military? OK, let’s hear it. Chapter and verse.
And I have read the Bible. “The rapture” ain’t in it. Whenever you wingnuts say “read your Bible” you always cross your fingers behind your back, hoping that the other people haven’t and won’t.
February 2nd, 2010 at 8:11 pmUSC, plz excuse my attempt at humor…
February 2nd, 2010 at 8:12 pmYou proudly vote for pro-rape politicians. Your personal experience (if not fictional like most troll-stories) hasn’t touched your opinion, which remains irrelevant. No one cares what you think.
February 2nd, 2010 at 8:24 pmEvery generation is “the one” that’s going to get raptured. But this one is different!
February 2nd, 2010 at 8:25 pmJonathan Bell says:
Reggie, this was prophesied and it is why we are closer to the end times and the rapture. Read your Bible.
LOL! Hey jonnie balless, get thee to a mental hospital girlfriend, ’cause you’re one f*kkked up sistah! ;)
February 2nd, 2010 at 8:41 pm‘Gays Too Precious To Risk In Combat,’ Says General
February 2nd, 2010 at 9:20 pmThe arrogance of republicans/conservatives is staggering. How on this earth can anyone entertain the thought that Saxby Chambliss can speak as though he is an expert on the military. If he had any respect for the military he would not have savaged Max Cleland the way he did.
But what really bothers me is that residence of Georgia allowed Chambliss to savage Cleland.
February 2nd, 2010 at 9:40 pmnofltwlt says:
But what really bothers me is that residence of Georgia allowed Chambliss to savage Cleland.
Don’t forget the swift boat ads against Kerry who went to Vietnam while George was busy doing political work in Alabama. In fact George was AWOL from his post in the reserves but those records mysteriously disappeared.
February 2nd, 2010 at 9:55 pmBaron Von Steuben was a gay man. General George Washington hired him to train our Revolutionary War soldiers. If not for Von Steuben, our dream of independence would have died.
It’s long past time our military recognized the contributions of military people who happen to be gay, starting with Baron Von Steuben.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:02 pmWhat did gay people ever do to conservatives?
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:04 pmI’m sorry, but some of my friends from boarding school happen to be lesbian or bi (it was an all girls school), and they are still some of my bestest ( hehe if there really is such a word) friends ever. And also, I grew up in a church where I was taught that we are all brothers/sisters and we welcome everyone, no matter if they’re black, white, purple, gay, straight, or in between.
165. linzloo08 by Kaiser Permanente says:
Exist.
And by existing, suggest (one can hardly say “compel”) that they examine their own infantile lack of self-definition and craven lack of genuine sexual self-identity.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:20 pmSen. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) warned that allowing “the presence in the armed forces of persons who demonstrate a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts” would pave the way for allowing “alcohol use, adultery, fraternization, and body art” in the military.
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Um…I once served in the Navy, and I can tell you that sailors have always consumed alcohol and gotten tattoos. I doubt that has changed much. Adultery will always exist whenever spouses are separated for long periods of time (although I rush to assure anybody geographically separated from his/her spouse due to military deployment that not everyone engages in this). Fraternization is tolerated far less than any of the other conditions Chambliss mentions, but it’s impossible to eradicate that completely, either.
Does Chambliss honestly expect us to believe these things aren’t happening in the armed forces already? How in the world will gays being permitted to reveal their sexual orientation change this?
Oh. Right. Chambliss isn’t aiming his rhetoric at a thinking audience. He’s preaching to the bigots and the easily frightened.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:40 pmWell, I was in the Air Force and while I never got a tattoo or engaged in any improper fraternization, I did get drunk once and commit adultery.
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Coleman1986,
Take your spamming somewhere else. You’re about to be banned from here.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:53 pmImmorality: the morality of those who are having a better time.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:58 pmH. L. Mencken
Get Senator Susan Collins on your side. She’s 57, never been married, speaks with a lisp…she must be gay…Maybe you could get the ACORN pimp to bug her phones…Think about it…
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:23 pm@169
We seem to keep the shameless trolls around forever, are the spammers any less contentless?
February 3rd, 2010 at 12:38 am@166
He speaks fluent Chickenhawk.
February 3rd, 2010 at 12:39 amI was married to a military man.
He got drunk on occasion, and once got a tattoo while drunk, had sex with an underage girl (me), but never engaged in fraternization.
But hey, at least he wasn’t gay — as far as I know. ;)
February 3rd, 2010 at 12:56 am.
Seems to me that if they HAD already repealed DADT years ago…
… Our military translator bench wouldn’t be so needing to fill gaps, NO?
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February 3rd, 2010 at 1:20 amFlr Gary Herstein:
Yep, you forgot one, pal – to paraphrase Gen Jack T Ripper (Dr Strangelove): “I will not allow these homosexuals to compromise our NATURAL BODILY FLUIDS!”
February 3rd, 2010 at 3:31 amLike it or not we view the world through our own experiences and thought processes. Those who are so homophobic, that they think a gay man or woman can not perform a duty because they are burning with lust ought to look deeply into their own psyche. They are the same ones checking out the cleavage of junior high girls and people I wouldn’t want my own daughters to work with in any sort of capacity! Phucking perverts!
February 3rd, 2010 at 7:26 amThe real concern of Republican chickenhawks is that is DADT is overturned, it will be impossible for them to avoid serving in combat theatres, because they can no longer count on being discharged if they claim they are gay.
February 3rd, 2010 at 8:30 am#178 – Rodeskawler says:
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“The real concern of Republican chickenhawks is that is DADT is overturned, it will be impossible for them to avoid serving in combat theatres, because they can no longer count on being discharged if they claim they are gay.”
February 3rd, 2010 at 8:30 am
Another real concern for the right-whiners is they will be shown up as less than patriotic than the gays when the right-whiners STILL refuse to serve in the military! Claiming “prior obligations” like some of the chicken-hawks of the Bush Administarion is just another way of saying “I’m too much of a wuss to serve in the military!”
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:00 am#159 – just the bleepn facts says:
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“LOL! Hey jonnie balless, get thee to a mental hospital girlfriend, ’cause you’re one f*kkked up sistah! ;)”
February 2nd, 2010 at 8:41 pm
As the only recognized expert here on the subject of Jonathan Bell and his mindless ramblings, I say he’s a closet case who’s simply projecting his self-loathing onto everyone other than himself.
There, I think that little bit of theatre wins hands-down over Jon Bell’s egragious claims at being an expert on the military mindset when he’s never served in any military!!
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:07 amI can’t get behind that. The military-industrial complex is entrenched enough already without changing the rest of society around to conform to it. What we should be doing is restricting our foreign adventurism below a level that can be sustained with a volunteer military, without relying on stop-loss or “borrowing” National Guard units and equipment.
February 3rd, 2010 at 10:10 am.
ElBruce,
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I understand Zooey’s point. I’ve thought we needed this for a while now (or at least some sort of mandatory national service). We’ve let a whole generation get by with the notion that they don’t owe the country (or anyone else, for that matter) anything.
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People who know that everyone’s children will be put in harm’s way if a decision is made to take military action somewhere will tend to be a lot more cautious with that decision. It would serve as a dampener on such adventures.
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Right now, though, a draft might serve to do little more than keep existing conflicts going (until, like Vietnam, too many kids from the “right” sorts of families started coming home in body bags). Then, suddenly, the moral objections to the war start to appear, as if by magic.
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As long as it’s not YOUR kids dying, the war is an abstract event or little more than a video game to many. Don’t like what you are seeing – change the channel and it’ll go away.
Ever notice how homophobic conservatives usually seem to usually be the kind of people who couldn’t get laid unless they payed for it? I bet that’s where a large portion of the anger comes from.
February 8th, 2010 at 7:52 am