Pipes: Obama Can ‘Save’ His Presidency By Bombing Iran
Pipes: Obama Can ‘Save’ His Presidency By Bombing Iran
Neoconservative scholar-activist Daniel Pipes has a new article on the leading conservative website National Review Online, in which he suggests that President Obama can “save” his presidency…by bombing Iran.
Writing that “Obama’s attempts to ‘reset’ his presidency will likely fail if he focuses on economics, where he is just one of many players,” Pipes claims that the president “needs a dramatic gesture to change the public perception of him… preferably in an arena where the stakes are high, where he can take charge, and where he can trump expectations”:
Such an opportunity does exist: Obama can give orders for the U.S. military to destroy the Iranian nuclear weapon capacity. [...]
Just as 9/11 caused voters to forget George W. Bush’s meandering early months, a strike on Iranian facilities would dispatch Obama’s feckless first year down the memory hole and transform the domestic political scene. It would sideline health care, prompt Republicans to work with Democrats, make netroots squeal, independents reconsider, and conservatives swoon.
While he’s at it, why doesn’t Pipes claim that bombing Iran would also balance the budget? It’s rare that neoconservatives are so explicit about their cynical view of foreign wars as an instrument of American domestic politics, but Pipes’ argument is about as clear as it gets. Let’s remember, this is the man who George W. Bush nominated in 2003 to the board of the United States Institute of Peace, something which even born-again hawk Christopher Hitchens found to be a joke.
For anyone inclined to believe Pipes’ delusion that airstrikes against Iran’s nuclear facilities would not lead to a wider conflagration, consider Gen. Anthony Zinni’s exploration of the question: “After you’ve dropped those bombs on those hardened facilities, what happens next?” Zinni concluded:
Eventually, if you follow this all the way down, eventually I’m putting boots on the ground somewhere. And like I tell my friends, if you like Iraq and Afghanistan, you’ll love Iran.
As Max Bergmann noted on The Wonk Room, what the right is truly interested in is regime change. “The day after any attack on Iran, there will be immediate calls for more military action, as Iran still might have a fully capable and operational nuclear program. The only way to be sure that Iran isn’t developing a nuclear program, it will be argued, is to launch an invasion that results in the change of regime.”
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Amazing, this is the kind of idiocy I’d expect from our trolls. Has TP discovered the director of Troll HQ? This man is obviously crazy and uninformed enough to think that this could possible be a viable strategy.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:11 amShorter Pipes: “Healthcare reform bad, saving economy bad, SQUIRREL!”
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:13 amWhy do maroons like this work so very hard to advertise their idiocy? After 1 year in office President Obama has to ’save’ his Presidency? Stupidity, not hydrogen, is the most plentiful element in the universe.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:14 amHe can accomplish the same thing by shooting you in your empty head , Pipes ………….
I vote for that
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:15 amPipes: Obama Can ‘Save’ His Presidency By Bombing Iran
– - Put down the pipe, Pipes.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:15 amRepiggies are alway so horny to kill brown skinned people.
Clinical psychosis runs rampant in the GOP.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:16 amObama doesn’t need to do something stupid to “save” his presidency.
He is doing the right things and the right is trying to pretend that what everyone sees isn’t reality. Shocker.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:17 amsee how he waited til the end to work the lie in there…
that’s why mr. pipes gets paid the big bucks.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:17 amCrazy people can never understand that not everyone is crazy.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:17 amWhy don’t we just let the neo-con’s march into Iran guns blazing…tell Iran they marched in alone and watch as the Revolutionary Guard goes to work.
Honestly what a bunch of dumb mother-f***ers. Daniel Pipes (and John Bolton) are out of their f***ing minds!
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:21 amGood headline. We need to always point out warmongers when they are warmongering.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:25 amYou know what could “save” Obama’s Presidency? Dropkicking Daniel Pipes out of a low-flying plane straight into the heart of Tehran.
This guy is absolutely delusional. Listen to his plans on how to “solve” the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. 3 state solution, my ass. If there’s one country that’s done more irreparable damage to the Palestinian people, it’s Jordan. I doubt people living in the West Bank really want to be dragged back to living under the Hashemites again.
People like Pipes not only warmonger like nothing else, but they legitimately fail to see the consequences of those actions.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:26 amPipes: Obama Can ‘Save’ His Presidency By Bombing Iran
– - Speaking of fecklessness, if ever there was a presidency that needed saving, why didn’t Pipes suggest that Bush bomb Iran?
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:26 amPipes, the Neocon’s Neocon, is a foreign agent for Israel.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:27 ammosswright says:
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“Neocon!” (ding!)
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:26 am
More like a NitwitCon …………
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:27 amWhat a crock, he was voted in mainly by folks that want to stop all these inventions if far off lands
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:29 am^^Interventions in^^
Donde esta java!!
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:30 amSandy Burglar stole the secrets back in 2003. Link.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:31 ammosswright, you’re an idiot. We’re talking about republican warmongers here. You don’t get to “direct” the discussion away from idiots on the right.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:31 amAnyways…should we make the neo-cons pay for their airfare to Iran?
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:31 amTroll @ 17 blathers:
“Hey, how do you all like my strawman? The facts are wrong and everything!!”
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:32 amIt’s comedy when trolls like mossyass try to say “fringe” left.
I mean, we have nothing as “fringe” as pipes. The lunitics on the right define fringe.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:33 ammosswright says:
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February 2nd, 2010 at 10:28 am
Why do you and the rest of the retarded Bush Adoration Fan Club bring up Sandy Burger while ignoring the Bush Administration’s intentional outing of a covert CIA officer , tool ?
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:34 amAn honest question for you
fringe leftiesAmericans. Why is theliberalmedia spending most of their time covering this moron, O’Keefe.. -MWI think you answered your own question, in part. The other part is that Stan Dai was part of some college program to recruit intellignece operatives and he was found in a car a few blocks away with a reciever to monitor the bugs. I agree it was a rather Maxwell Smart operation in its clumsiness.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:34 amWho is a “fringe lefty” and what is a “liberal media”?
are you going to jabber nonsense all day again, mossolini?
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:34 amYes, attack another country, kill scores of people, pour more money into war, that’s how neocons court popular opinion.
Don’t forget to cut taxes to the top 5% while you’re at it and voila! A stronger, healthier America, more ready than ever to face today’s global challenges. (snark)
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:34 amI love it when the trolls blather stupid shit. They do it long enough and then the republican legistators take it to town and try it out.
Inevitably Obama has to point out reality to them on live tv.
Please carry on trolls.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:35 amFred ♪♫♪ says:
It’s comedy when trolls like mossyass try to say “fringe” left.
I mean, we have nothing as “fringe” as pipes. The lunitics on the right define fringe.
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February 2nd, 2010 at 10:35 amExactly. Both sides have their share of “weirdo’s” but the right…GODDAMN. And even then…the left doesn’t seek to make the crazies the major part of their base unlike the right.
- – The people that come here with the sole purpose of voting down posts, whether left or right, are incredibly pathetic and sad. Really.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:35 amLook at how well starting wars worked out for Boosh the dumber. And, heck, our military doesn’t have anything else to do.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:36 amWealthy outspoken neocons avoid military service like the plague, and they damned well make sure to keep their own families out of the military.
Pipes, Goldberg, Kristol and the rest of that garbage will fight their wars with your loved ones, not theirs.
They see military service as a drudge job for lesser beings that are eminently expendable, and of little importance to this nation.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:36 amNeoconservative pretend scholar-activist/idiot Daniel Pipes has a new article on the leading conservative website National Review Ontoilet, in which he suggests that President Obama can “save” his presidency…by bombing Iran.
Is that like Jesus saving at National Bank?
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:36 amWhat’s next? A Final Solution? Or maybe we should just invade the world for their own good? These clowns are getting more rabid by the day.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:37 amPipes has been pretty consistent as the need to bomb every country that “opposes us”. Pretty typical neo-con.
He’s also suggested turning the MEK against Iran. Bear in mind, this is an organization still designated as a terrorist group by us, the EU, and several other countries. Seems they have a nasty habit of bombing the shit out of things.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:37 amChickenhawks are the sky falling!
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:38 amRUCerious,
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:38 amThanks to the Republicans…Jesus is now forced to save with coupons.
so you are going to jabber nonsense all day (again).
good luck with that. i’m sure you’ll recruit a lot of converts.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:39 amIf Israel feels compelled to Nuke Iran, then they should take it upon their shoulders to do it.
Oh. What fallout?
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:39 ammosswright says: I was right. “Progressives” have no integrity.
Put down the brush, Moss, your coloring outside the numbered spaces again…
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:39 amnot yet. Nothing that can be proven anyway.
Chatty cathy isn’t considered truth, just babble.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:39 amIt’s been awhile since any NEOCON has said anything so outrageous in a long time but this one is so egergious and self serving,Bush’s meanderings were more like a stupor until they finalized their LIES,DECEIT AND MISINFORMATION, then they bombed Iraq.All this is really is so the (republicons)can take the focus off of the economy,jobs,health care,Medicare,Medicaid,S.S.,LIHEAP and focus on our Military Industrial Complex so we can destroy another country for the HELL of it.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:40 ammosswright says:
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I was right. “Progressives” have no integrity.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:37 am
Bush , Cheney , Wolfowitz , Craig , Vitter , Rove , Ensign , Princess Winksalot , etc are all PROGRESSIVES” , eh , GOP stooge ?
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:41 amFred ♪♫♪ says:
mosswright, you’re an idiot. We’re talking about republican warmongers here. You don’t get to “direct” the discussion away from idiots on the right.
And yet… he’s getting responses and derailing the thread. Nor am I helping by pointing this out.
Bah. Pipes is doing us all a favor by displaying the naked ambition of the neocons. “When in doubt, blow the shit out of another country. It always provides a great distraction.”
Real quote: It would sideline health care, prompt Republicans to work with Democrats, make netroots squeal, independents reconsider, and conservatives swoon.
“We’ll destroy a sovereign nation’s infrastructure and piss off the entire Middle East for decades to come, but the netroots will be unhappy and conservatives love nothing more than watching other people die.”
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:41 amYeah. Our fringe is…what…green partiers who want to get high and save the rainforest? Hell of a lot better than the “pray to televangelists and torch the rainforest” crowd
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:42 amThe R/baggers, neocons et al, done invested in the surry with the fringe on the top. And the sides. And the front, the back, the bottom…
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:42 ammossyfeet, tell us how pipes grand plan will work out in the end.
Compare it to say……Iraq.
Will it only cost a trillion or will it be more. Explain how it will be worth the cost in lives.
we’ll wait mr fringe.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:43 am<imosswright says:
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February 2nd, 2010 at 10:40 am
When Obama invades a nation based upon cherry-picked/faulty intelligence and a totally dishonst premise , then post the insipid piss you did ; until then , pipe down , tool……..
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:43 amgummitch, I try to poke the fool with a stick and keep him on topic if I can. see 50
Can’t always get away from just calling them an idiot though.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:44 amEnnuiDivine (a wholly owned and operated subsidiary of Hexxon) says:
Yeah. Our fringe is…what…green partiers who want to get high and save the rainforest? Hell of a lot better than the “pray to televangelists and torch the rainforest” crowd
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February 2nd, 2010 at 10:45 amHell I’d take a bunch of hippies over a bunch of bible thumping, potential terrorists any day. The hippie may smell but he’s not gonna blow up a medical center.
Bolt-on must have been busy at the moustache waxing parlor this morning so they brought in the second string, Pipey Pipes.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:45 amThe money quote:
And like I tell my friends, if you like Iraq and Afghanistan, you’ll love Iran.
I can’t argue with the logic. Those who “like Iraq and Afghanistan” surely would enjoy another expensive misbegotten military adventure in the MIddle East that would enrich the coffers of right-wing military contractors but impoverish further the security interests of the nation and our image across the world.
They seem to get off on that shit for some reason..
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:45 ammosswright says:
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Daniel who?
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:42 am
Boone , Day Lewis and Tanner ……..
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:45 amgummitch it’s now 51
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:45 amObviously people like Olmossback did not see the PBS show which was about family memebers that are leaving their jobs t take care of their physically and mentally wounded soldiers who need constant round the clock care because they have had to to do 6,7 and sometimes eighttours of duty and are not capable of taking care of themselves.mossback you are an A$$!
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:46 amcaption…
Pipes puckers up for another pull.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:47 amI love the smell of burning mosswrong in the morning.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:47 amWhy isn’t Mosswright serving in the military right now?
What makes him so goddamned special?
Talk about integrity all you want, bozo.
You are entirely lacking in it.
It’s so easy to wage war from the safety of your computer stateside.
Grow up, little troll, and try walking your talk, for a change.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:48 amI was right. “Progressives” have no integrity.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:48 amI have more integrity between my legs than the entire GOP. I also have more courage than any “conservative” in government today. which means I have bounds and bounds more guts than you Mosswright. I can answer the questions people here ask me, why can’t you?
neocons are afraid the green revolution will succeed, and they won’t be able to take credit for conditions changing and improving there.
they have very little to live for, other than their bizarre world-domination fantasies.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:48 amOh sure, Obama starts an unnecessary and illegal war just like his predecessor and see how fast the hypocritical repubs impeach him. He’s smarter than that.
A neocon wants to help Obama save his presidency? No, that’s not suspicious at all.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:48 amGranted, that integrity comment might not be all that flattering to myself. I realized that after I hit submit.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:48 amYeah, great advice, because the last guy that followed such advice had a really successful presidency. Dolts.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:49 amExactly. It’s a example of the Ledeen Doctrine:
“Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business,”
(h/t Doughy Pantload)
Charming, no?
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:49 amolmossback, Are you a Deficit Hawk or a Chicken Hawk?
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:49 am“Look over there, a republican!” -MW
I dont think of neo-cons [DING! =] as anything but warhawks, whether they are republican or not doesnt matter to me.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:49 amRUCerious @61: vote up
Maybe we should start quoting military movies in our insults to the trolls. Something from Full Metal Jacket would be fairly effective.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:50 amDeserves a re-post, Matt.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:50 amRUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:
I love the smell of burning mosswrong in the morning.
yes it reminds me of STUPID!!!!!!
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:51 am@71. I’ve got one for Moss: What is your major malfunction no-nuts?!
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:52 amEverytime I read that Tysons chicken in a tube, heh, I so dont want to eat chicken again.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:53 amDoes anyone here know if this Crack Pipes guy has any deferments?………He sounds quite Chicken Hawkish,you know the one that are all for war but actually wanting to do it themselves.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:53 amgummitch, you know I’m usually an enthusiastic troll-whacker but this morning I’m with you. The aggressive stupidity from the trolls the last few days has become really boring.
I’m all for just ignoring the shit out of ‘em.
This position could change as the day wears on, but the morning is too fine to erode it with troll feces.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:54 amPipes claims that the president “needs a dramatic gesture to change the public perception of him… preferably in an arena where the stakes are high, where he can take charge, and where he can trump expectations”:
Also a Bush/Iraq war cheerleader, he said much the same during the run up to invasion. But in wingnut poker, you don’t double the bet until everyone’s already seen your lousy hand.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:54 amWill someone please remind us, in which branch of the military did Daniel Pipes serve?
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:54 amthis should read,actually not wanting to do it themselves.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:54 amchristopher wiwi says:
Does anyone here know if this Crack Pipes guy has any deferments?………
I think he’s Canadian.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:54 amIndeedy… indeedy… and if there’s ANYONE who KNOWS all about manly deeds… it’s the Doughy Pantload…
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:55 am#20 – bizarrobrain (Sponsored by Tysons chicken in a tube!) says:
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“Sandy Burglar stole the secrets back in 2003.”
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:31 am
Bizarrobrain, how DARE you expect “mosswright” to make sense?!?!? Mosswright simple regurgitates the right-whining talking points without engaging his brain! Mosswright cannot be expected to make any kind of sense at all, so it’s just wrong to expect a logical, cogent posts from the man!
/snark
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:56 amPipes needs to be turned over to the Iranians.
Let’s see how “tough” this PUNK really is.
Then HE could be the “hero” for Israel.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:56 amA “google” of olbermann sandy burger turned up zilch. SHOCKER!
So now Google’s in on the grand conspiracy?
Adjust the tinfoil helmet. It’s cutting off your oxygen.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:56 am“Just as 9/11 caused voters to forget George W. Bush’s meandering early months,…”
Does anyone find this quote as offensive as I do?
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:56 amYeah, that’s the first thing that ran through my head that day, G-Dubya’s “meandering months”.
Sheesh!
The same one as Cheney, Rumsfield and Lompballs did?
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:56 amXisithrus says:
Everytime I read that Tysons chicken in a tube, heh, I so dont want to eat chicken again.
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Haha…if I was a vegetarian it could be considered a plot to disgust meat-eaters but really it’s just a reference to a movie called Space Truckers which stars Dennis Hopper.
Pilotshark @73: Classic! Vote up!
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:57 amA “google” of olbermann sandy burger turned up zilch. SHOCKER! -MW
Results 1 – 10 of about 57,700 for Olbermann sandy burger. (0.25 seconds)
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:57 amPipes…pointing his “feckless” finger in the wrong direction.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:57 amThe same one obama did?
He’s canadian. D’oh!
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:58 ammosswright says:
And this is relevant to… what… how?
Actually, if you google Berger + Olbermann you get about 378,000 hits.
Apparently you can’t even google something right…
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:58 ammosswright says:
Will someone please remind us, in which branch of the military did Daniel Pipes serve?
The same one obama did?
AND the SAME one as 5-deferment TRAITOR Cheney and slmost EVERY Chickenhawk RapePublic in Congress.
And TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan.
But NO ONE outshines the AWOL coward COXUCKER punk TRAITOR, Bush.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:59 amDemocrat Soldier says:
Bizarrobrain, how DARE you expect “mosswright” to make sense?!?!? Mosswright simple regurgitates the right-whining talking points without engaging his brain! Mosswright cannot be expected to make any kind of sense at all, so it’s just wrong to expect a logical, cogent posts from the man!
/snark
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You’re right…it was wrong of me to urge the Mosswright to actually use his brain. It’s better off as a paper-weight.
No snark.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:59 amPipes attended the Harvard pre-school, then received a private school education, partly abroad. He enrolled in Harvard University, where his father was then still a professor, in the fall of 1967; for his first two years he studied mathematics, but has said: “I wasn’t smart enough. So I chose to become a historian.”[12] He said he “found the material too abstract.”[13] He credits visits to the Sahara Desert in 1968 and the Sinai Desert in 1969 for piquing his interest in the Arabic language,[12] and visits to Niger and Tunisia for piquing his interest in the Islamic world, and he changed his major to Middle East history.[13] For the next two years Pipes studied Arabic and the Middle East, obtaining a B.A. in history in 1971; his senior thesis was titled A Medieval Islamic Debate: The World Created in Eternity, a study of Al-Ghazali.[12] After graduating in 1971, Pipes spent nearly two years in Cairo. He learned Arabic and studied the Quran, which he states gave him an appreciation for Islam.[13]
from wiki
A failed academician, no military service. Figures.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:59 amOh, and it takes more than two years to learn Arabic…just sayin.
One sick puppy!
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:59 ammosswright:
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:59 amYou my friend are indesperate need of a life. Do you ever go outside and take a walk or ride a bike or anything?
mosswright says:
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Will someone please remind us, in which branch of the military did Daniel Pipes serve?
The same one obama did?
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:56 am
And Obama advocated invading Iraq when , GOP leg humper ?
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:59 amWell, his wiki page mentions neither military service nor deferments, but he was 20 years old in 1969 and never interrupted his Harvard education, so one might assume he received educational deferments.
The most telling passage on the wiki page is this:
His 2003 nomination by U.S. President George W. Bush to the board of directors of the U.S. Institute of Peace was protested by Democratic leaders, Arab-American groups, and civil rights activists, who cited his rightist views and oft-stated belief that force was the most effective remedy to conflict. The Washington Post editorialized his selection as a “cruel joke”; the Bush administration sidestepped the opposition with a recess appointment
There’s got to be some interesting pathology going on within someone who is that hot for war, yet never saw fit to engage in it himself.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:59 amMossback,are you a veteran,how amny deferments between the shrub,Darth Cheney and Flush altogether……I know I don’t have enough fingers to count them all.You are a sad little man for bringing Up Obama’s name into this one.
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:00 amllama! :
Exactly. It’s a example of the Ledeen Doctrine:
“Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business,”
(h/t Doughy Pantload)
Except Iran ain’t no “small crappy little country.” Neocons are easily confused by geography. “It’s just like Grenada, but with mountains.”
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:00 amDaniel Pipes is an Israel’s supporter zealot who sees an American war with all Arab and Moslem countries is a legitimate war in support of Israel,and any Arab country who stands up to Israel is a legitimate target.
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:01 amBut for America,the cost of lives,bad relationships with all Arabs and Moslems,and doubling or tripling the National Debt.
Pipes doesn’t care for US health reform plans or anything like that,as he stated.
He is a Neocon artist who sees America as a tool to help Israel.
That’s why Pipes suggesting that US president can save his presidency by bombing another country,to help and please Israel.
A sick minded person like that must not be near a decision making precess in this government or any government.
It is funny that none of these warmongers Neocons are willing to participate or fight in any of these wars that they are selling to public.Neither them nor any member of their own families.
Mosswright, as usual, is utterly clueless.
Obama, unlike Pipes, is not calling for the invasion of a nation, or the bombing of a nation.
Mosswright is typical of the sort of loud-mouthed, braying hyena, hot far war, but scared shitless to sign up for it.
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:01 amPoor widdle neocons like Pippy, they’re all sad because their master plan of regime change in Iraq, Iran, Syria and North Korea was a FAIL! Now they want another president to complete part of their plan to save his presidency.
I wonder what they said to talk idiot George into war? Free hookers and blow?
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:01 amObama isn’t the one advising others to bomb a country that didn’t attack his own, hick. Are you really this stupid, or just pretending?
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:01 am“Seems to me, Cap’n, this mission is a serious misallocation of valuable military resources.”
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:01 am-Pvt Jackson
mosswright, why is pipes warmongering if he never served. You mention Obama but Obama is not war mongering so it’s a false equvilancy.
What does pipes hope to accomplish and do you agree with him and if so, why?
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:03 amMy friends we have in deedy found a true Chicken Hawk in crack Pipes and he has a following in olmossback…….
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:03 amNot according to wiki — it says he was born in Boston.
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:03 amI hear Israel has nukes and keeps killing it’s neighbors in Palestine, perhaps we should bomb them instead?
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:03 am“Have you ever considered any real freedoms? Freedoms from the opinion of others…even the opinions of yourself?”
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:04 am–Kurtz (Apocalypse Now)
Little repiggie trolls all love war, until it comes time to actually sign up for it.
The usual excuses come bubbling to the surface – law school, medical school, bad vision, anal warts, flat feet, anxiety issues, etc.
Again, it’s so goddamned easy to be all cool and nonchalant about more war, more bombing, more suffering, especially when you or your loved ones have absolutely zero investment in it.
Sign up for the military, mosswright, or STFU.
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:05 amWhy does Iran want nuclear weapons? It’s pretty obvious. Have nuclear weapons and the US won’t phuck with you.
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:05 am… and for the nonsensical purpose of “saving his presidency” — pure politics.
I think it’s really that stupid.
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:05 ammosswright says:
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A “google” of olbermann sandy burger turned up zilch. SHOCKER!
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:54 am
How often did Limpballs , O’Lielly , or Glennda Speck demand the Bush administration hold Rove and Cheney accountable for revealing the identity of a covert CIA officer , tool ?
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:05 amInsidious,If we do that then where will all our AID($$$$$) go,not to the poor and needy of this country,but it’s always possible……..
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:06 amI’m surprised he’s not saying “WW2 worked out well for Roosevelt. He got 4 terms!”
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:07 amDon’t feed the trolls, because “if you feed them, they’ll just come back for more–and worse still, they’ll multiply.”
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:07 am“He (Pipes) enrolled in Harvard University,…for his first two years he studied mathematics, but has said: “I wasn’t smart enough. So I chose to become a historian.”
History doesn’t have to add up.
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:08 amBut it’s the coolest reality TV ever!
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:08 amLimpballs, Hannity, Beck, O’Reilly, Rove, Savage…
All loud-mouthed scum agitating for war, but lacking in guts to even sign up to fight it…
The moral rot of the right-wing never ceases to amaze.
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:09 amralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:
I think it’s really that stupid.
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I don’t think so…well, at least not originally. I think right-wing media, too much beer, pot and beatings upside the head with a hammer (as I mentioned on one of the threads yesterday) has finally done his damage.
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:09 amShorter Pipes:
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:10 amRah Rah Re!
Gimme a B!
Rah Rah Ro!
Gimme an O!
Rah Rah Rim!
Gimme a M!
Rah Rah Re
Another B!
Go Team Bomb!!
But… his studies did give him “an appreciation for Islam”… and apparently just enough appreciation to make him want to bomb the living Shi-ite outta it every chance he gets…
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:10 amchristopher wiwi says:
Insidious,If we do that then where will all our AID($$$$$) go,not to the poor and needy of this country,but it’s always possible……..
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Yep…we can give billions of dollars away in aid to our “frenemies”, waste trillions of dollars on war and our war budge, bail out the banksters and the crooksters on Wall Street, BUT try to pass health care reform or bail out the average American on main street and we get a bunch of whiners in DC who say NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! It costs too much!
*SPIT*
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:10 amRight-wingers love history because they can change it. They can’t do that with mathmatics.
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:11 amXisithrus,
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:11 amScrew the cheer…I just want nuclear pom-poms.
Xisithrus, Screw the cheer…I just want nuclear pom poms
I think pipes would be more effective with those and a short skirt as well.
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:15 amSo did Hitler.
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:15 amXisithrus says:
Xisithrus, Screw the cheer…I just want nuclear pom poms
I think pipes would be more effective with those and a short skirt as well.
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February 2nd, 2010 at 11:16 amEw…as funny as it would be in the short-term…I don’t need the long-term memories of that. However…if they want to invade Iran…that’s what we should send them over in.
Yeh, I am surprised Pipes hasnt drug out the broken window theory of how WWII brought the US out of a depression.
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:18 amSure they can. Have you ever met a wingnut who admitted that Clinton left a budget surplus?
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:18 amEw…as funny as it would be in the short-term…I don’t need the long-term memories of that. However…if they want to invade Iran…that’s what we should send them over in.
Prolly should include some Arpaios or Vitters as well.
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:20 amLet me get the pun out of the first: “Pipesbomb”? really? This guy is named after the skinhead weapon of choice…
It’s a shame that the rightwing destroyed the one source of WMD information in Iran when they outed Valarie Plame, we might really know what they’re up to…
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:24 amXisithrus says:
Ew…as funny as it would be in the short-term…I don’t need the long-term memories of that. However…if they want to invade Iran…that’s what we should send them over in.
Prolly should include some Arpaios or Vitters as well.
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Especially Joe Arpaio…what a d!ck! Ah…hell just drop all of the conservatives into Iran.
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:28 amPipes: Obama Can ‘Save’ His Presidency By Bombing Iran
What could or would happen if President Obama listened to Pipes:
1-The price of oil would skyrocket.
2-The price of gas would skyrocket.
3-The above affects would cripple the American people and American businesses who would then pass the costs onto the American consumer.
4-A strike on Iran would enrage the Shiites through out the Middle East and cause a backlash we would regret.
5-Russia, China, France and Germany would not sit idly by as they have investments in Iran.
6-Our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan would become sitting targets for increased attacks from an angry Shiite population.
7-An attack on Iran could lead to more terrorist attacks in America.
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:29 amUpon hearing Daniel Pipes words, John McCain creamed in his adult depends.
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:32 amInsidious Prophet @139: vote up!
No matter what dark cave Cheney’s hiding in right now…I bet he’s smiling right now.
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:34 amBut, but, but the end time Christian zealots say if we attack Iran we will create Armageddon and force Jesus to return sooner.
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:40 amRUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:
Bolt-on must have been busy at the moustache waxing parlor this morning so they brought in the second string, Pipey Pipes.
Don’t worry, Bolton wouldn’t let a chance to bash Obama go by and so warmed up the room on that neocon web site yesterday by simultaneously giving the Bush administration the credit for Obama’s recent moves toward beefing up the American military defenses and, at the same time, accusing Obama of doing it just because his attempts to prevent a ‘nuclear Iran’, using diplomacey and sanctions, have:
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:43 am“reached that point were the failure is evident,” says Bolton.”
the recent beefing up of American military defenses in the Persian Gulf I should have said.
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:46 am141, what is Jesus is in the midst of taking a dump?
Will that delay Armageddon a bit?
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:48 amI always wonder at the general premise that ANYONE should listen to such a discredited source as Daniel Pipes. Why on earth should the President or anyone for that matter listen to someone who wants to bomb Iran when that someone was one of the biggest boosters of invading Iraq? Shouldn’t someone who supported and pushed for the biggest foreign policy blunder since the Viet Nam War just sit down and shut the hell up?
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:50 amOr by …. putting neocons in internment camps.
Both of these solutions are problematic.
February 2nd, 2010 at 12:15 pmNinerFan,
Neocons will not stop after bombing Iran.
February 2nd, 2010 at 12:18 pmJust for the sake of argument if Iran was totally destroyed, do you think these people will stop there?.
No, they will not, they will tell us that Syria is the bioggest threat to America now,and we must act,and if we finish with Syria, they will tell us, now Pakistan is the biggest threat,and we must act, on and on..until they achieve their goal,which is to make Israel the unquestioned and the uncontested country in the area,so the Palestinian case can be put to an end.
It is a pipe dream of course..but that’s their plan.
Very costly indeed to us and the world.
An attack on Iran will wreck the whole world economy,and create the most unstable markets the world going to see since the Great Depression.
“The U.S. Senate voted to impose even more draconian sanctions on Iran: crippling measures that will only make life much more wretched and dangerous for millions of ordinary Iranians. The Senate measures are aimed chiefly at strangling Iran’s supplies of gasoline — a truly noble act of “humanitarian intervention,” which, if successful, would see deliveries of essential food and supplies grind to a halt, fire trucks and ambulances parked, schools closed, mass business failures across the country, with the subsequent loss of jobs, homes, health and opportunity. The Iranian ruling elite will of course be spared any of these discomforts – just as our own ruling elite forever escapes even the slightest unpleasant consequence of its actions.”
-CF
February 2nd, 2010 at 12:22 pm
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100128/pl_nm/us_congress_iran_sanctions
February 2nd, 2010 at 12:23 pm-
What the military-industry Iran Invaders need is a Good Reason.
Like … oh, I dunno … some TERRIFIC SPECTACLE???
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Could Vancouver 2010 be the next 9/11? (UPDATED 9:00AM EST 1-31-10), Posted by sakerfa on January 25, 2010
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Munich massacre — From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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In September ‘72, (B.C. – Before Cable-TV was ‘invented’), the incited international chaos, and sympathy for Israelis, and bonfires of fear dominated the headlines and pushed aside everything else in news journals, only 3 months after the Watergate crimes and as hearings of the cases were on court dockets, and only 2 months before Nixon’s re-election.
Today, there is American public and congressional resistance against invading Iran, as plans have promoted at length in the media — and ‘people are talking,’ and as Israel’s extremist right-wing government officials eagerly urge.
… if only some lit fuse would touch it off!
Besides, everyone in the massmind of media said that although 9/11 was a tragedy we shall never forget, fortunately “it saved Dubya’s presidency.”
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February 2nd, 2010 at 12:32 pmYou want to shut these as-h— give a m16 weapon and tell him he is going to be frist man to lead the war.watch the coward piss his pants and run.
February 2nd, 2010 at 12:33 pmSounds pretty reasonable to me dude. I mean really. Wow.
ER
February 2nd, 2010 at 12:42 pmhttp://www.web-privacy.cz.tc
Funny….no one seems to disagree that Obama’s first year was “feckless”
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:06 pm… by “every now and again [...] pick[ing] up a crappy little country and throw[ing] it against a wall just to prove we are serious.”
Cheers,
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:21 pmwildweasel says@ 154:
I disagree.
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:22 pm#17 mosswright:
Because other people are unable to see your hallucinations. Sandy Berger stole national secrets, and this caused 9/11 [Back To The Future, I guess]?!?!? You need to ask the docs to titrate the Haldol up a notch.
Cheers,
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:27 pm1. Unless you believe “truthers,” Bush did not choose to have 9/11 happen. If he had, he would have been considered even more of a monster than he is.
2. Bush’s Presidency needed “saving” only eight months in? That’s teh funny.
3. The major event Bush did choose, invading Iraq, is the centerpiece of an administration of failure.
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:31 pmI don’t agree that President Obama’s first year was feckless, but I will agree that the Wild Weasel is a moron. Will that do?
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:48 pmLet’s see, one year into GW Bush’s first term, he had precipitated a recession by ruining California’s economy, the seventh largest in the world, with a phony energy crisis cooked up by his friends in Texas, passed a completely unfunded education program, cut off most lines of scientific progress on stem cell research, completely ignored the threat from al Qaeda, allowed the worst terrorist attack in history to succeed on our soil and then shamelessly used it for political purposes. His first SOTU was all about the attack, nothing else.
Obama’s first year is a stunning success compared to that.
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:53 pmObama can save his Presidency by bombing Pipes and then quartering what is left for the dogs.
February 2nd, 2010 at 3:03 pmThe world can save itself by bombing Israel and the ten dollar thugs who run it.
February 2nd, 2010 at 3:27 pmAnd just how is starting a new war gonna improve the holy budget deficit ?
And as Iran has friends with other nations, wouldn’t potentially brining in other nations for us to fight be a bad thing ?
February 2nd, 2010 at 3:42 pmDr. Hussein Matt (Sponsored by Magnum Condoms) says:
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Yeah, great advice, because the last guy that followed such advice had a really successful presidency. Dolts.
LOL!!!!!!
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:03 pmTypical neoconservative rhetoric…if the natives are getting restless, go to WAR!
If we have no allies with us, Bomb Iran.
If we’re thinkin’ someone’s dissed us, Bomb Iran.
We don’t need no damn inspections,
Let’s look tough for the elections,
Close your mind and take directions, Bomb Iran.
It’s “pre-emptive non-aggression”, Bomb Iran.
Let’s prevent this mass destruction, Bomb Iran.
They’ve got weapons we can’t see,
And that’s good enough for me
‘Cos it’s all the proof I need, let’s Bomb Iran.
If campaign deception’s showin’, Bomb Iran.
If dissatisfaction’s growin’, Bomb Iran.
If your politics are sleazy,
And hiding that ain’t easy,
And your manhood’s getting queasy, Bomb Iran.
Fall in line and follow orders, Bomb Iran.
For our might knows not our borders, Bomb Iran.
Disagree? We’ll call it treason,
It’s the Make War, Not Love season,
Even if we have no reason, Bomb Iran.
Hey! The Christian God’s on our side, Bomb Iran.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:23 pmBless the weapons, take the ride and Bomb Iran.
Let the innocents be killed,
And lots of heathen blood be spilled,
To get our fuel tanks cheaply filled, let’s BOMB IRAN!
I can go one better. Let’s send the GOP(all of those elected bastards) to the Middle East with NO weapons – that would solve Obama’s problem and solve America’s too.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:24 pmIt seems like meremark is off his medi-meds. You only expect that kind of deranged lunacy from the trolls.
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:30 pmEnnuiDivine,
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:57 pmOr he’s on something like speed. Dude just seems paranoid beyond normal measures.
shitweasel
You are a LIAR. Lots of people disagree. However no one with a lick of sense disagrees that YOU are a brainwashed moron
February 2nd, 2010 at 7:35 pmObama doesn’t need to bomb Iran to get reelected. ACORN will be back in full force stuffing ballot boxes for him. The corrupt Unions will be right along side of ACORN. And the Black Panthers will be outside of poling locations intimidating anyone who even remotely looks like they will vote against the anointed one.
And Eric Holder will not prosecute anyone who breaks the law for Obama. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/12/the-black-panther-case/
And the democrats are the so called fair and tolerant party. Riiigght!!!!
February 2nd, 2010 at 8:53 pmTim43 says:
Obama doesn’t need to bomb Iran to get reelected. ACORN will be back in full force stuffing ballot boxes for him. The corrupt Unions will be right along side of ACORN. And the Black Panthers will be outside of poling locations intimidating anyone who even remotely looks like they will vote against the anointed one.
And Eric Holder will not prosecute anyone who breaks the law for Obama. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/12/the-black-panther-case/
And the democrats are the so called fair and tolerant party. Riiigght!!!!
February 2nd, 2010 at 9:01 pmyou forgot TEH HOMO OVERLORDS will STEAL THE ELECTIONS by turning all the Republican voters INTO TEH HOMO…
Timmeh
I see you dropped by once again to prove how unbelievably stupid you are. And BRAINWASHED WOW. The way you dutifully spewed out that REALLY STUPID and long ago debunked bullshit about Acorn stealing electsions. I do love to laugh at morons as stupid as you. Only the most ignorant and brainwashed people on the planet are even still TRYING that stupidity but Rush trains his Limborg lemmings well. It must just SUCK to be as pathetic as you
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:31 pmBy the way Timmeh you asswipe. Dont even BOTHER to link to the Moonie Times. No one here is as stupid as you and we wont waste our time with a rag not fit to wrap fish in.
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I say ignore these trolls. After the one called an ill woman a ‘Whore’ I am finished with him.
February 8th, 2010 at 8:27 am