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McConnell Claims Larry King Is ‘Better’ Than U.S. Interrogators At Questioning Terrorists

Ever since Nigerian Umar Farouq Abdulmutallab’s failed attempt to blow up a U.S. airliner over Detroit on Christmas Day, Republicans and conservatives have been attacking and politicizing the Obama administration’s response. Many have been whining that Abdulmutallab had not been properly interrogated and that valuable information has been lost. In an attempt to bash the Obama administration, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) today denigrated U.S. counterterrorism officials:

MCCONNELL: This was a person who was trying to blow a plane out of the air from Nigeria. It’s clearly a case for the military and for our intelligence people, not for the U.S. court system. What happened? He was given a 50 minute interrogation, probably Larry King has interrogated people longer and better than that. After which he was assigned a lawyer who told him to shut up. That is not the way to deal with someone in the war on terror.

Watch it:

It seems McConnell would rather try to score political points by undermining the work American counterterror officials are doing in the field, particularly in Abdulmutallab’s case, where key information has actually been gleaned. In fact, reports surfaced this week that Abdulmutallab “has been cooperating for days” with the FBI. But this isn’t the first time a Republican has tried to attack the administration by insulting U.S. agents. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said that getting information from Abdulmutallab was “blind luck.”

According to the Washington Independent’s Spencer Ackerman, former FBI interrogator Jack Cloonan, who has interrogated al Qaeda members, said “What would you expect from Mitch McConnell? … They just don’t know what they’re talking about. They really don’t“:

“People keep talking about Mirandizing as if it’s a preventive measure, getting someone to shut up, but most critics have never been in position [to] have to Mirandize one,” Cloonan said. “It’s to keep pristine information you’ve already gotten and to have a prosecutable case. It’s not the end of an interview. … They’re gonna get all kinds of information from this guy.”

In fact, Abdulmutallab’s family members convinced him to provide information to U.S. authorities, an outcome that resulted from U.S. counterterror agents working in Africa “to gain an understanding of the subject.” “The intelligence gained has been disseminated throughout the intelligence community,” a senior administration official said. “The best way to get him to talk was working with his family.”



114 Responses to “McConnell Claims Larry King Is ‘Better’ Than U.S. Interrogators At Questioning Terrorists”

  1. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    Mitch thinks we should torture them and then take them out back and shoot them in the head.


  2. RUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:

    After watching Larry on TV, some might say his brand of questioning is somewhat akin to torture,..but for the audience.


  3. tom says:

    Chinless Mitch is an abomination. The childishness, mindlessness and sheer partisan peevishness of the republicans is way, way out of control. I will be very surprised (and disappointed) if their party will ever regains majority status in Congress in the next decade. Dinosaurs like Mitch, Mitt, Newt, Daryl, Boner, etc., will have to die off and/or retire before that could ever happen.


  4. Pilotshark Sponsored by Beoing says:

    So guessing seeing hows he`s talking i am making a swag here that his family along with his defense attorney told him that it would be in his best interest to talk.


  5. ElBruce, owned and operated by NewsCorp, Inc. says:

    It is clear that McConnell thinks very little of the United States of America, its Constitution or any of its founding democratic institutions. I call on all True Patriots™ to denounce him and demand his immediate resignation.

    Hey, this is getting pretty easy…


  6. Mugsy says:

    I’d like to hear from some of our law enforcement officials and counter-terrorism experts whom McConnell just derided.

    Way to support Americans law enforcement officers, Mitchy.


  7. zxbe says:

    MCCONNELL: …That is not the way to deal with someone in the war on terror.

    No, clearly the way to deal with him is to beat the crap out him, and torture him until he gives you bogus information to get it to stop. And when you find out the info was bogus, then beat him and torture him some more. Meanwhile, his pals continue to launch successful attacks while we’re wasting our time chasing bogus info. Did I miss anything Mitch?


  8. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    Nigerian Umar Farouq Abdulmutallab is a typical tool that has been feed red meat that is confirmed by people like mitch mconnell.

    Mitch supports terrorism with his behavior.


  9. Badmoodman says:

    McConnell Claims Larry King Is ‘Better’ Than U.S. Interrogators At Questioning Terrorists

    – - Hey, it’s true! I mean, Larry King totally pwned Carrie Prejean.


  10. Pilotshark Sponsored by Beoing says:

    Well Larry was so improper to ms greenjeans and all she had to stop being interrogated by him


  11. belaccifer lacca says:

    Jeebuz, why are R’s obsessed with rights being evil?

    (all except the 2nd and the 10th, of course… the Founders were like big driving instructors, apparently- the most important thing is to keep a firm grasp on 10 and 2… 10 and 2…)

    Double Jeebuz…


  12. Pilotshark Sponsored by Beoing says:

    Smiles Badmoodman @9

    well guessing same meanning just diffrent ways LOL


  13. republicanSScareme says:

    Is there some reason we shouldn’t torture Mitch McConnell?

    Discuss, please.


  14. Mathazar says:

    So he managed to insult two branches of government, and Larry King.

    Impressive.


  15. noseeum, et al... says:

    MCCONNELL: “This was a person who was trying to blow a plane out of the air from Nigeria.”

    I thought the guy was on the plane…
    (;)

    “…It’s clearly a case for the military and for our intelligence people…”

    They let him get on the plane dumbass…


  16. Bozo The Neoclown says:

    “McConnell Claims Larry King Is ‘Better’ Than U.S. Interrogators At Questioning Terrorists ”

    seems like mitch “the bitter lesbian looking” mc connell has finally crossed over to “aiding and abetting the enemy” with that quote. way to go, mitch


  17. Badmoodman says:

    MCCONNELL: “This was a person who was trying to blow a plane out of the air from Nigeria.”

    – - Uh oh, Nigeria is using ICBMs: Intercontinental Ballistic Men.


  18. Shayne aka Cigna says:

    republicanSScareme says:

    Is there some reason we shouldn’t torture Mitch McConnell?

    Discuss, please.

    NOPE. Are we finished discussing? :)


  19. Bozo The Neoclown says:

    “Is there some reason we shouldn’t torture Mitch McConnell?”

    i think we should slap him in his triple chin until he begs for mercy or, starts gobbling like a turkey


  20. Shayne aka Cigna says:

    noseeum, et al… says:

    “…It’s clearly a case for the military and for our intelligence people…”

    They let him get on the plane dumbass…

    Now there’s water all over my keyboard. I hope you’re happy young man. :)


  21. Reefdancer123 says:

    I hope the FBI whoops his ass


  22. lokidog-brought to you by Zig Zag® rolling papers says:

    So when my Senator (Dick Durbin) reads from an FBI report on the abuses at Gitmo, the hysterical Republiscum’s accuse him of slamming our troops, and Durbin goes on the floor of the Senate to apologize (for something he didn’t do).

    When an *sshole like McConnell truly and actually insults and slams US counter-terrorism personnel, why, that’s just dandy.

    Disgusting.


  23. Bozo The Neoclown says:

    so,
    essentially what i’m taking from this is mitch “the bitter lesbian” mc connell thinks our intelligence agencies are inferior?

    perhaps they should invite mitch on a private “behind the scenes” tour of gitmo


  24. Shayne aka Cigna says:

    Well lokidog the difference is Durbin has intelligent Illinois voters like us and McConnell has Kentucky voters like … my in-laws.


  25. 5th Estate says:

    Shayne aka Cigna says:

    republicanSScareme says:

    Is there some reason we shouldn’t torture Mitch McConnell?

    Discuss, please.

    NOPE. Are we finished discussing? :)

    Flawed logic, guys. McConnell’s above statements were given freely and represent the highest level knowledge he has acquired in his many yeas as a dooshbag.

    Torturing him won;t make a blind bit of difference to what comes out of his mouth .


  26. regular_joe says:

    McConnell thinks Larry King is ‘better’ than U.S. interrogators? That shouldn’t surprise anyone.

    McConnell is dumber than a box of rocks.


  27. dixie blood (sponsored by The Party Stop Stores) says:

    Mitch is an ignorant, redneck hick.

    He thinks his shadow is Jebus following him around.


  28. Shayne aka Cigna says:

    5th Estate says:
    Torturing him won;t make a blind bit of difference to what comes out of his mouth

    Party pooper.


  29. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    5th Estate says:
    Flawed logic, guys. McConnell’s above statements were given freely and represent the highest level knowledge he has acquired in his many yeas as a dooshbag.

    Torturing him won;t make a blind bit of difference to what comes out of his mouth .

    According to torure by the book, written by cheney, we are not looking for knowledge. We are just torturing.

    If we did it by cheney’s book, we would take mitch out back after torturing him and shoot him in the head.


  30. Shayne aka Cigna says:

    Wow Fuzzy, you’re not following the party line. You’re going to lose a nickel for that.


  31. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    fuzzynuts, here’s you a nickel. Spend it wisely.


  32. smidget (presented by Blue Cross Blue Shield) says:

    Well, I’m afraid this time I have to agree with Chinless Mitch.

    Larry King doesn’t engage in terrorism and still manages to get answers….he could clearly teach a few government agencies a thing or two.


  33. smidget (presented by Blue Cross Blue Shield) says:

    doesn’t engage in terrorism

    Should read

    doesn’t engage in torture

    God, it’s been a long day.


  34. noseeum, et al... says:

    The cheerleaders for the war on terror do not want open trials because there is a much greater opportunity for the truth to come out.
    A truth that could be highly embarrassing.
    Open trials present evidence from both sides of the equation.


  35. SoapBox says:

    When you think that Rushpubs can’t get any dumber…

    you get McConnell.

    Dumb and Dumber.


  36. Mathazar says:

    What is it with wingers and Miranda rights ? Surely they know that even people caught red-handed are entitled to them.

    And since he was a civilian on a commercial plane, how the hell would the military have any jurisdiction ?


  37. SoapBox says:

    @28

    What the hell are you babbling about, nut job?

    Once again, my standard reminder to the Nuts Get Nuttier,

    MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!


  38. Bozo The Neoclown says:

    fuzzy nipples,
    here’s a word problem for you:

    what does rham emmanuel have to do with mitch “bitter lesbian” mcconnell’s statement about our intelligence agencies being incompetent.

    show all your work, skidmark


  39. ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:

    You know, it’s one thing for a troll to say something as stupid as that; itg’s expected of them.

    But I would have hoped that the Senate Minority Leader could have had a little more class.


  40. pags2 says:

    McConnell and the rest of the Republicans are practicing their campaign mantra that the Dems are soft on terrorists and defense. The Dems should put this in a proper context and publicly say the Republicans are attacking the FBI and CIA. Then add that this is unpatriotic. That might take the wind out of the Republican sails.


  41. raynman a wholly owned subsidiary of WalMart says:

    The new mantra of the Right Wing:

    WWJBD?

    What Would Jack Bauer Do?


  42. Hoodathunk(sponsored by Scroomall Health Corp) says:

    The truly stunning part about this statement is that it made after the news that we are getting information and the standard methods work just fine. It seems the Chinless Wonder operates on the same level as trolls.


  43. Ape-Man says:

    McConnell would attack his mama to keep his job but it’s futile. The Republican is fully corrupt.


  44. bizarrobrain (Sponsored by Tysons chicken in a tube!) says:

    Shit why didn’t I think of that? We should get Larry King to grill suspects! /snark

    Turtle-man you are senile! Retire already!


  45. MapleStreet says:

    Military Interrogators are part of the troops.

    Why does McConnel not only hate, but publically denigrate the troops ?

    Could it be embarassment that Obama’s non-toture method got actionable intelligence ?


  46. Ape-Man says:

    43 – it’s probably because of the success. success is doom for the likes of McConnell.


  47. SoapBox says:

    If anyone wants to tell McConnell a thing or two…

    http://mcconnell.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=ContactForm

    http://www.mcconnell.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=OfficeLocations

    Washington Office
    361-A Russell Senate Office Building
    Washington, DC 20510
    Phone: (202) 224-2541
    Fax: (202) 224-2499


  48. raabe says:

    Another story that just won’t die. No matter how many times the message is repeated that the guy is talking, the wingnuts stick to their story. Yawn.

    When will the reality-challenged community start to lose their traction with the public? When do the media start to just plain ignore people who can’t get their facts straight, instead of giving them a forum for spouting their bile?


  49. regular_joe says:

    Fuzzy Slippers opines: “…he’s a mongoloid punk who thinks his wealthy family will buy his way out”

    Yo, Fuzzy, were were talking about the UndieBomber, not former president Bush.


  50. SoapBox says:

    @45

    I wish Larry would GRILL Rushpubs on why they
    are so full of hate all the time.


  51. Ape-Man says:

    A happy world spells doom for Republicans.


  52. Rab says:

    Everything I’ve read on the underwear bomber is he was a lone nut, I don’t think he knows Bin Laden’s whereabouts.


  53. glamourdammerung says:

    republicanSScareme says:

    Is there some reason we shouldn’t torture Mitch McConnell?

    Discuss, please.

    Fiscal responsibility.

    We should send him to another country, where they charge much to torture people (and whatever Mitch is).


  54. Rab says:

    Fuzzyassraper is crabby


  55. Bozo The Neoclown says:

    fuzzy nipples,
    does that mean there’s no connection between rahm emmanuel and lipless lesbian mitch mc connell?


  56. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    raabe says:
    When do the media start to just plain ignore people who can’t get their facts straight, instead of giving them a forum for spouting their bile?

    the corporate media writes mitches scripts.

    Hi fuzzynuts, here’s a nickle, buy some deoderant.


  57. Bozo The Neoclown says:

    “Fuzzyassraper is crabby”

    because his white econoline van without the windows in the back go repossessed and now he has nothing to lure little kids into when he stalks the playground.


  58. tombaker says:

    what in the hell would an old effeminate cuckold like mitch mcconnell know about any of this in the first place.


  59. tombaker says:

    you know how i’d know for sure i was a pathetic loser??


  60. Hoodathunk(sponsored by Scroomall Health Corp) says:

    Ape-Man @ 43, that is it in a nutshell. B!tchy Mitchy and all the repiggies have to get more outrageous with their attacks as things start turning around and moving slowly ahead. The more success, the louder and crazier the attacks. Even the trolls are feeling the pressure these days.


  61. Rab says:

    Bozo The Neoclown says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    “Fuzzyassraper is crabby”

    because his white econoline van without the windows in the back go repossessed and now he has nothing to lure little kids into when he stalks the playground.

    //////////////////////////////////////////////

    That’s right, I forgot he has transportation problems


  62. tombaker says:

    …i’d find myself commenting on threads at Redstate.


  63. smidget (presented by Blue Cross Blue Shield) says:

    Wow, nice off-topic Fuzzy Slippers….but since you brought it up, you must want to discuss it.

    Did you know that the 6.2% deduction for Social Security (FICA) tax is limited to the first $106,800 of wages?

    That means that the wealthy pay less in payroll taxes than the non-wealthy, not just by percentage, but by dollar amount as well. But, I’m sure you find this to be completely acceptable because you’re a moron.


  64. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    fuzzynuts thinks that people working for minimum wage should be able to buy health insurance and invest 15% of thier income.

    Here’s another nickle fuzzy.


  65. har5125 (brought to your by The Independent Faction) says:

    It is only Feb 4th and it looks like Senator McConnell has positioned himself to be named Idiot of the Year!


  66. bizarrobrain (Sponsored by Tysons chicken in a tube!) says:

    ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:

    You know, it’s one thing for a troll to say something as stupid as that; itg’s expected of them.

    But I would have hoped that the Senate Minority Leader could have had a little more class.


    Maybe the trolls have taken over DC. It sure seems like it sometimes.


  67. Purple State is sponsored by GlaxoSmithKline says:

    republicanSScareme says:

    Is there some reason we shouldn’t torture Mitch McConnell?

    Discuss, please.

    Very simple.

    To paraphrase Jon Stewart: It is beneath us; it is next to Republicans.


  68. raabe says:

    Somewhere (USP Florence ADMAX, in the Centennial State) Richard Ried is PISSED, thinking to himself “Why the F*** didn’t I get all this press!?!”


  69. Buckie Boy says:

    Put Mitch back in his turtle shell and throw him back in the pond…

    …chinless idiot.


  70. glamourdammerung says:

    #55 should have read “much less than”.

    Sorry.


  71. bizarrobrain (Sponsored by Tysons chicken in a tube!) says:

    har5125 (brought to your by The Independent Faction) says:
    It is only Feb 4th and it looks like Senator McConnell has positioned himself to be named Idiot of the Year!


    No…give it a few days…at most…someone either on Fox or a follow up comment from another R will top this one. The opportunists always travel in packs.


  72. Hoodathunk(sponsored by Scroomall Health Corp) says:

    republicanSScareme says:
    Is there some reason we shouldn’t torture Mitch McConnell?

    Because he’d probably like it.


  73. Purple State is sponsored by GlaxoSmithKline says:

    Fuzzy Slippers™ A Solid B+ says:

    As long as the spoiled little F’ing retard(h/t Rahm) is singing like a canary there would be no need for enhanced interrogation techniques.

    So it’s okay to call someone a retard now, since Rahm’s already said it?

    Cool.

    Hello, Fuzzy, you f’ing retard.


  74. pops7154 says:

    How can anybody in his state vote for this idot.


  75. glamourdammerung says:

    Mitch is a pretty strong argument for denying civil rights to homosexual turtle/possibly human (more like possum or something) hybrids.

    I apologise in advance to drhunt, who will probably claim being a homosexual turtle/possum hybrid just to feign indignation at my statement.


  76. Hoodathunk(sponsored by Scroomall Health Corp) says:

    har5125, remember, the Tea Party Convention is just opening tonight. It should be good for at least half a dozen idiotic comments.


  77. Badger says:

    Clearly, Mr. Abdulmutallab is not a Hardened Al Qaeda Fanatic…he’s a mixed up 23 year old.

    The PROFESSIONAL investigators must have concluded that they could get MORE and BETTER information from the suspect, by treating him Decently…and that Harsh Interogation Techniques would be Counterproductive and UnNecessary.

    And they were right…Abdulmutallab IS Cooperating.

    That’s because they ARE Professionals…and Not Grandstanding Politicians trying to score Political points.

    Obama should Beat the Republicans over the Head with this one….they were so clearly wrong.


  78. ElBruce, owned and operated by NewsCorp, Inc. says:

    OK, is anybody else picturing Larry King playing Jack Bauer now?


  79. smidget (presented by Blue Cross Blue Shield) says:

    How can anybody in his state vote for this idot.

    Because the Democratic party nominated an out-of-state corporate lackey who didn’t bother to campaign a la Coakley.

    He still only won by the skin of his teeth. Any decent candidate who gave a damn would have won by a landslide.


  80. belaccifer lacca says:

    That’s because they ARE Professionals…and Not Grandstanding Politicians trying to score Political points.

    What happened to listening to the professionals?


  81. kasinca says:

    The rethugs work so hard at obstruction they are wrong about everything and look like the assclowns they truly are. McConnell is worthless.


  82. bizarrobrain (Sponsored by Tysons chicken in a tube!) says:

    ElBruce, owned and operated by NewsCorp, Inc. says:
    OK, is anybody else picturing Larry King playing Jack Bauer now?


    Actually I’m wondering if we can replace turtle man with glamourdammerung’s gay turtle possum hybrid. We might actually be able to get something done.


  83. kasinca says:

    If wingnuts would agree with the Democratic majority once in a while, they would at least be right some of the time. When they vote no all the time, they are always wrong and look stooooopid.


  84. LibertyLover says:

    Whatever happened to listening to the experts about what type of interrogation works?

    When did bullies become the experts to whom Republicans like to listen?


  85. Bluestocking says:

    MCCONNELL: This was a person who was trying to blow a plane out of the air from Nigeria. It’s clearly a case for the military and for our intelligence people, not for the U.S. court system. What happened? He was given a 50 minute interrogation, probably Larry King has interrogated people longer and better than that. After which he was assigned a lawyer who told him to shut up. That is not the way to deal with someone in the war on terror.

    *************************************************************

    Wait a moment…I’m confused.

    Is McConnell suggesting that being interviewed by Larry King is equivalent to torture? Or is he implying that torture isn’t actually necessary and that a sufficiently skilled interrogator can get the kind of information he wants simply by talking? (At least as far as I know, Larry King has never actually waterboarded anyone…)


  86. glamourdammerung says:

    Just some facts to keep in mind:

    1. McConnell is far enough into the closet to find next year’s Christmas presents.
    2. The GOP voted pro-gang rape last year.
    3. Most of the torture under the Bush regime seemed to involve objects being inserted into anuses.

    My conclusion is that McConnell wants to be tortured as he is thinking it will be like a “frat hazing” as Rush has suggested. A deeply homosexual frat, that enjoys scat and beatings, but a frat nonetheless.


  87. glamourdammerung says:

    Seriously though, I am thinking that the military is going to have some choice things to say about McConnell’s latest stupidity. Though the Democrats will wimp out and not run with it.


  88. tarazan says:

    McConnel:
    “They way I like it done is to see this man losing a body part,now that’s Compassionate Conseratism”.


  89. tombaker says:

    gosh pez, that was 50% honest.

    good for you!!!


  90. glamourdammerung says:

    pezmiztix says:

    his family persuaded him to talk, it had nothing to do with mirandizing him.

    Wrong. His family persauded him to talk due to us still having a bit of a good reputation in some places and the fact we did not have people currently shoving chemical lights in his anal cavity.


  91. Zooey (sponsored by The Blue Sun Corporation) says:

    Hoodathunk(sponsored by Scroomall Health Corp) says:

    republicanSScareme says:
    Is there some reason we shouldn’t torture Mitch McConnell?

    Because he’d probably like it.

    At least he’d have something to b!tch about…


  92. ElBruce, owned and operated by NewsCorp, Inc. says:

    pezmiztix says:

    his family persuaded him to talk, it had nothing to do with mirandizing him.

    Link:

    The family members met with officials from the Justice Department and the FBI to plan a way forward.

    “One of the principal reasons why his family came back is because they had complete trust in the US system of justice and believed that Umar Farouq would be treated fairly and appropriately,” the senior official said. “And that they would be as well.”

    The FBI and Abdulmuttalab’s family approached the subject and “gained his cooperation. He has been cooperating for days,” the official said.

    Following the rule of law had everything to do with gaining the cooperation of his family, which in turn had everything to do with gaining his cooperation.


  93. noseeum, et al... says:

    pezmiztix says:

    Glass half full today?


  94. tarazan says:

    McConnel got it wrong,about Larry King.
    A torturing hour talking to Roseanne Barr will make Umar Farouq confess about it all.


  95. ncbrickhome says:

    pezmiztix says:

    his family persuaded him to talk, it had nothing to do with mirandizing him.

    February 4th, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    Neither did TORTURE, huh?


  96. evangenital says:

    McConnell should know, because McConnell is such a goddamned expert at everything, including the destruction of this economy that his precious repiggies engineered.


  97. evangenital says:

    Pez, go play with yourself.

    No one cares about your stupid shit.


  98. Game of Life says:

    Oh dear. teaturds can’t fathom getting intel Constitutionally. They can’t rationalize getting data without torture. And I know it’s out of their league to use the intel to thwart future bombings.

    How obvious do the repugs have to be with their disdain toward the Dems, especially towards Our First African-American, Black President of the United States.


  99. Loonie says:

    MCCONNELL: This was a person who was trying to blow a plane out of the air from Nigeria. It’s clearly a case for the military and for our intelligence people, not for the U.S. court system. What happened?

    Well, what happened, Mitch, is that people who are obviously smarter, saner, and more honest than you showed demonstrably better judgment than yours and made better decisions than you would have.


  100. tombaker says:

    did timmy mcveigh get miranda’ed?

    did he get a fair trial?

    did he get off on a technicality?


  101. Mathazar says:

    after which he was assigned a lawyer who told him to shut up

    Since he had already been caught dead to rights, wouldn’t his lawyer have suggested his best course of action would be full
    cooperation to benefit his sentencing outcome ?


  102. glamourdammerung says:

    pezmiztix says:

    there is a difference between not mirandizing terrorists and torturing them.

    Not really. You either give them the rights they are entitled to under American law, or you do not.


  103. glamourdammerung says:

    tombaker says:

    did timmy mcveigh get miranda’ed?
    did he get a fair trial?
    did he get off on a technicality?

    Or the Nazis, Imperial Japan, etc.


  104. evangenital says:

    Pez, if I may…

    “I realize that logic and reason is torture to you…”

    You put a singular verb for with a plural subject.

    I realize that you are young and rather poorly schooled, but for Christ’s sake, go get a goddamned education.

    Reading your poorly constructed crap and random scattershot raving is tough work indeed.


  105. noseeum, et al... says:

    Gawd pez you really are a clacking dispenser of junk.


  106. ElBruce, owned and operated by NewsCorp, Inc. says:

    <em.pezmiztix says:

    maybe we should give the terrorists citizenship, free health care, a home, and a job.

    That doesn’t sound like it would be very effective or politically popular. Why would you suggest such a thing, anyways?

    .

    glamourdammerung says:

    pezmiztix says:

    there is a difference between not mirandizing terrorists and torturing them.

    Not really. You either give them the rights they are entitled to under American law, or you do not.

    Right. The more “innocuous” rights are there to prevent the more egregious ones from happening. Miranda in particular enforces one’s Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination, which in turn exists to prevent law enforcement from torturing people.

    .

    pezmiztix says:

    they should be given a lawyer, and a trail, and go through our justice system. i agree.

    after they are questioned for intel. not too much to ask, is it?

    Well, if you want to see them get released by the courts without serving any time for their crimes, then sure. But I’d rather see justice done.

    By the way, under your scenario of “question without Miranda but don’t torture,” what is the detainee’s incentive to talk? I don’t see the purpose of this approach at all.

    Also (and I think you’ve done this in another thread) the first mention of Miranda rights in this entire thread is from you, at post #106.


  107. bizarrobrain (Sponsored by Tysons chicken in a tube!) says:

    Pez,
    Torture is the verb but sometimes it can be a noun…depends how you use the word torture.


  108. majii says:

    Mitch “Chinless” McConnell speaks, but only wingnuts listen and believe.


  109. bizarrobrain (Sponsored by Tysons chicken in a tube!) says:

    pez,
    See? I’m not an ass all the time. You lay off the insults and I’ll do the same.


  110. Max Anax junius-1 (sponsored by DOW Chemical) says:

    .

    Dear Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY),
    What terrorist has Larry King interrogated?
    Are you saying the CIA is inadequate at interrogation?
    Is this how you show your support or contempt…
    … SPEAKING AS THE MINORITY LEADER AND THE GENTLEMAN FROM KENTUCKY?

    .


  111. DallasNE says:

    I guess the GOP is too stupid to understand the concept “work smarter, not harder”, otherwise they would be making such fools of themselves.

    Another thing, most of the people now doing the questioning are career officers and holdovers from prior administrations so, obviously, it is not the questions being asked but the environment surrounding the interrogations that has changed and brought improved results. Anybody with half a brain understands this, but not the GOP.


  112. Mr. Sonia Herecomestheangst says:

    What is the average IQ in McConnell’s district? I just want to know because if it’s as low as I think it might be, the National Enquirer and other tabloid rags probably makes a mint in that area.


  113. Peter C says:

    My frustration is that, even though we keep playing the game of “give them enough rope and they’ll hang themselves” we never follow through. We always cut them down and rush in with the ambulence, and they end up keeping the rope.

    McConnell says crap like this and gets away with it (Liberal Blogs, Keith and Rachel excepted). The Conservatives have a huge structure built to capitalize on any ‘fame’ they can muster, and they use this structure to amplify their decietful message. We just assume that everyone sees through it, but that’s not good enough. We’ve got to come up with a mechanism to put their odiousness on display in some other way than just giving them power and letting them screw up everything for everyone. We’ve got to learn to ‘let ‘em swing’ instead of ‘cutting them down’.


  114. karadagli61 says:

    What is it with wingers and Miranda rights ? Surely they know that even people caught red-handed are entitled to them.

    And since he was a civilian on a commercial plane, how the hell would the military have any jurisdiction ?



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