Inhofe’s Grandchildren Build Igloo To Mock Killer Snow Storm: ‘Al Gore’s New Home’
Inhofe’s Grandchildren Build Igloo To Mock Killer Snow Storm: ‘Al Gore’s New Home’
The record-breaking snowstorm that has shut down the mid-Atlantic region for days has become a favored target for mockery by Republicans who deny global warming, seemingly on the supposition that deadly blizzards invalidate the science of climate change.
Before the storm hit, the Virginia GOP launched a web ad mocking “12 inches of global warming,” attacking Democrats who had voted in favor of climate and clean energy legislation. Now, after hundreds of thousands of people lost power, several people have been killed, and states of emergency declared in West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware, Sen. Jim Inhofe’s (R-OK) family has joined in the mockery, building an igloo on the National Mall and calling it “Al Gore’s New Home“:
The Oklahoma Republican’s daughter, Molly Rapert; her husband, Jimmy; and their four children built an igloo — roomy enough to fit several people inside — at Third Street and Independence Avenue Southeast. They officially dedicated the humble abode in honor of global-warming crusader Gore, even posting a cardboard sign on the igloo’s roof reading “AL GORE’S NEW HOME” on one side and “HONK IF YOU [HEART] GLOBAL WARMING” on the other. Inhofe, the ranking member of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, is famously one of Congress’ most vocal critics of global warming. And he told HOH that he found his family’s ironic tribute to Gore — which came during one of Washington’s snowiest winters on record — “really humorous.”
In reality, winter snows do not invalidate the reality that the planet just experienced the hottest decade on record. Scientists have been warning for years that global warming would increase the severity of winter storms.
This past January was the warmest January on record for the planet. And as National Wildlife Federation climate scientist Amanda Staudt notes, winter storms are getting fiercer even as the season gets warmer. “The last few years have brought several unusually heavy snowstorms as warmer and moister air over southern states has penetrated further north, colliding with bitter cold air masses,” she explains.
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Awwww…ain’t they CUTE little neocons…?
February 9th, 2010 at 11:16 ambecause without mockary, the right has nothing.
Certainly no facts.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:17 amSomeone should do an animated film comedy of the Imhofe family.
It would sell better than the Simpsons.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:18 amThe next generation of retarded leadership for the tea baggers….
February 9th, 2010 at 11:19 amWhat is he? 12 years old? These Repugs are so friggin juvenile! To take an issue as serious as this, and make a mockery of it. What a scum.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:19 amIt sure is good to see that the Imhofe family is still swimming in the shallow end of the gene pool. There’s nothing like carrying on your grandfather’s traditions!
Stay classy, morons.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:20 amSomeone should take the entire clan of dingalings on a tour of the polar caps, so that they could really see what is happening.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:21 amGive ‘em 2.5 million in oil money and we’ve got ourselves a ‘think-tank!’
Screw the lemonade stand… I’m making policy!
February 9th, 2010 at 11:21 amHere’s an additional hint for the Imhofe idiots.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:22 amIt’s called global climate change for a reason . . . and it’s connected to warming for a good reason. Want to know why more massive rains and snowstorms are occurring? Here’s a hint in the form of a question. Which kind of air carries more moisture in the upper atmosphere — warm or cold?
I hope Inhofe’s grandkids appreciate his efforts when their world is a complete mess.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:23 amAfter building their little igloo, the kids went in the house and had some hot coco and watched the documentary, The Flintstones. All was well in the Inhofe family.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:24 amInhofe got his ass handed to him royally in Copenhagen.
This stunt is retribution for being rebuked by the entire planet.
He’s still chastising Al Gore for doing the right thing.
Are we the taxpayers supporting his family to live in D.C.?
February 9th, 2010 at 11:24 amPlease don’t try to explain global climate change to the Inhofe family. It would be a waste of time. They just don’t get it.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:24 amBuilding bigots one generation at a time. All hate – all the time at Mountain’s household… What losers.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:25 amHyuk Hyuk, we’re red-blooded Amurkans. It snowed in Virginia, so global warming don’t exist. Al Gore’s a snowman. Yuk yuk yuk.
Inhofe should consider his family lucky: in another 40 years or so, his grandchildren can have some nice coastal property…at home in Oklahoma.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:29 amThe ignorance of these people is breathtaking.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:29 amA fine example of how ignorance can be learned.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:30 amIf only they had graduated to the fourth grade and learned that weather is not the same as climate.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:31 amThese poor kids will end up being in sorry shape when they try to move out into the real world, believing that the world is only six thousand years old, the sun revolves around the planet earth and humans walked with dinosaurs. What a great education they are getting for the 21st century.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:35 amSorry O/T
John Brennan dresses down Repiggies and their political shennanigans in an oped article today:
http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2010/02/opposing-view-we-need-no-lectures.html?csp=34
February 9th, 2010 at 11:36 amZim@12, LOL! He certainly made an ass out himself didn’t he? With his cowboys boots and John Wayne swagger. The Europeans thought he was a joke. He IS a friggin joke.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:37 amHAHAHAHAHAHA!
February 9th, 2010 at 11:38 amGet it?
They refute Al Gore and other sources about climate change because it snowed on the East Coast.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
They of course ignore the factual data taken over these last centuries.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Now go along, little GOPiggies, and start gearing up to discredit scientific data that proves that the earth is over hundreds of millions years old! Why not make a snow cave man riding a snow Triceratops as your proof of denial?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
“Let’s build an igloo,
February 9th, 2010 at 11:39 amHire a PR firm, mock Gore,
Say ‘The kids did it.’”
Overly warm waters put more moisture in the air, that then falls as snow when it hits the North East.
Had it of been Summer, it would of been a flood.
These idiots have yet to figure out the difference between “weather” and “climate”.
“Florida” has a warm climate. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t get cold there in the Winter.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:39 amSee what unregulated home-schooling gets you?
Inbred hicks.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:39 amI look forward to thier gradual backing off of this issue as it becomes harder and harder to deny.
I will recall some of the ignorant things they say today.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:40 amD’awwww, they’re as ignorant as grampappy.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:40 amevangenital says:
Someone should take the entire clan of dingalings on a tour of the polar caps, so that they could really see what is happening.
I’ll volunteer, but only if it involves them having a one way pass.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:41 amGreat! Just what this country needs….more ignorant morons like the 77% of highschool students in Oklahoma who couldn’t name the first President of the Unites States. Another wingnut who is lont past his expiration date.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:43 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Fools beget fools apparently.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:47 amBent over backwards this morning, eh backup?
February 9th, 2010 at 11:49 amstretch those glutes…
Inhofe is a phucking retard.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:49 amCome on now. How ignorant can they be? Don’t they realize the basic principles of cause and effect?
They should at least netflix Bruce Almighty.
These teatards are basically dancing like idiots because of the snowstorm devastation. GMAFB.
Even Quasimodo had a heart.
Their ignorance is astounding.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:52 amThe problem is that people keep calling it “Global Warming” rather than “Global Climate Change” which is a more accurate article. What’s happening is that we are getting extreme weather on both ends of the spectrum. That should worry these people, but it doesn’t. Why? Because making money is more important to them than protecting our environment.
For the life of me I will never understand how anyone can think that we can pump tons of pollutants into our atmosphere without any negative affect. It’s too bad we can’t pump the pollutants into the homes of people who ridicule the concept of Climate Change.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:52 amis about as rational as suggesting that anyone who celebrates Woodstock is insensitive because they aren’t considerate of those who died there.
I think you mean Altamont. No one died at Woodstock.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:54 am“…and the Earth is flat because I can’t see no curve, the sun OBVIOUSLY revolves around the Earth because I can SEE it set in the west every day, carbon dioxide CAN’T be an air pollution because I breathe it out of my own lungs, coal is clean, the moon landing is a hoax, Obama is a socialistfascistkenyanmuslimterrorist, and Sarah Palin should be President because she gives me a stiffy….”
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Nothing new or amazing here. If it rained one day in the desert they would claim there was no drought. Their minds are simply not capable of rational, reasonable thought. The thing I find amazing is the number of people that listen to these right wing whack jobs. Sure says a lot for the intelligence of some Americans.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:58 amThis will make a great, fun story for the little Inhofe knuckledraggers this summber at Jeebus Camp:
“Family of Fools: How We Spent Winter Spreading Ignorance”
February 9th, 2010 at 11:59 amInhofe’s heart is colder than the snow. If he really has to mock Gore…what an insensitive way to do so.
February 9th, 2010 at 11:59 amIf you don’t like the content of this site backup feel free to leave. When we want your opinion we’ll come to your site. Buhbye.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:00 pmWhen the record snow occurs in July, then you can say there’s reason to be skeptical. The roof doesn’t leak when it’s not raining, but that doesn’t mean you don’t need to fix the hole.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:01 pmFLAGGED OFF-TOPIC.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:02 pmBob@44, Like Jon Stewart famously said, “What? It’s not SUPPOSED to get cold in winter?”
February 9th, 2010 at 12:02 pmhow did you get this? What the hell are you talking about?
February 9th, 2010 at 12:03 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Yes, Republicans have difficulty discerning between weather and climate; it’s a shame.
I wonder how they reconcile the difference between being inside in an air conditioned building during the summertime and stepping outside into the summer heat. That must be confusing for them.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:05 pmIncreased precipitation is a symptom of global warming.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:06 pmFred ♪♫♪ says:
how did you get this? What the hell are you talking about?
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February 9th, 2010 at 12:07 pmIt’s because of posts like that…I’m still sticking with my Hunter S. Thompson “insane amounts of LSD” theory. Needs a better name though.
Why should I have any kind of dialogue with people that stupid? Now, don’t get me wrong; I talk to stupid people all the time and even count a few of them as friends. But not the ones who insist that I’m stupid because I don’t understand their great plans.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:08 pmThe last time I checked, the earth’s off-center elliptical orbit around the sun hadn’t changed, so there will still be seasons.
But do you think Republicans would believe the fact that the earth is actually closer to the sun in the northern hemisphere winter? Probably not, because in their world view, I’m sure the sun rotates around the earth.
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FitToVote says:
The last time I checked, the earth’s off-center elliptical orbit around the sun hadn’t changed, so there will still be seasons.
But do you think Republicans would believe the fact that the earth is actually closer to the sun in the northern hemisphere winter? Probably not, because in their world view, I’m sure the sun rotates around the earth.
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February 9th, 2010 at 12:10 pmDammit man…way to kill the geocentric model of the universe for me. Are you going to tell me the earth isn’t flat either?
backup:
I am surprised you could muster enough nerve to post on another climate change thread after that ridiculous spectacle you put on the other night.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:11 pmThat had to be the ultimate tinfoil hat conspiracy theory of all time.
Where you under the influence of alcohol or drugs?
“Inhofe’s Grandchildren Build Igloo To Mock Killer Snow Storm: ‘Al Gore’s New Home’”
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The ignorant breed more ignorance!
“Mouth open, mind closed” – pretty typical of Republicans these days.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:13 pm…negative, sarcastic, mocking, etc., etc., etc.
That’s the Rushpub Party at its best.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:13 pmbackup says:
“But, trying to paint these wanna be eskimos as insensitive, or mocking the dead, because they had fun in the snow, is an overreach.”
Morning.
Perhaps. The point I’d like to make is that Inhofe is using children for political purposes, perhaps not as hideous as children being used to corrupt the Pledge of Allegiance to distort the issue of our national debt, but being used all the same.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:13 pmInhofe’s grandchildren are being corrupted morally, in that concern for safety and well being is being replaced by greed and manipulation.
FTV@53:
Not sure what you are talking about. “Seasons” have nothing to due with the shape of our orbit.
“Seasons” are due to our tilted axis. If the Earth’s axis were straight up/down, there would be no seasons.
Every planet with a tilted axis has seasons. And it is why it is Summer in Australia right now.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:14 pmevery time you post a story like this can you please simply say that “seasonal local weather” is entirely different from a “century long global climate trend.”
its like basing the state of the game of football since it was invented on the play in one game by your local high school team.
but if you want to play their game of stupid ignorance, the entire region of new england is way below their usual snow totals. and cant wait for the 50 degree weather for the winter olympics.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:14 pmI think I’ve figured out these global warming-denying simians,…
When the weather is hot, they call it climate change.
When the weather is cold, they call it global warming.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:14 pmGee here in Portland Oregon it has been one of the warmest winters on record.
guess that dont count in the warming issue`s.
hell its winter time is not suppose to snow in winter? dam i new missing that big yellow dinosaur school bus back them was going to lead to this not understanding this warming thing.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:15 pm*area*
February 9th, 2010 at 12:16 pmFred. Ask yourself why the thread author uses the phrase “Mocks Killer Storm” and then this point:
Here’s the narrative: Not only are climate change deniers ignorant, they show disregard for human life by mocking the plight of storm victims.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:16 pm“Inhofe’s Grandchildren Build Igloo To Mock Killer Snow Storm: ‘Al Gore’s New Home’”
…and C-Street politicians, embarrassed by their “church”’s latest scrutiny promptly began making offers to Senator Inhofe to rent his new igloo for “short stays” with their DC street corner lobbyists. Can I get an AMEN?
February 9th, 2010 at 12:16 pmWhy don’t they live in Oklahoma? That’s what I want to know.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:17 pmPilotshark,
February 9th, 2010 at 12:17 pmHere in WA…at least in the Seattle are we would be in the 30’s and 40’s…the high today is going to be 54.
These people should be ashamed of themselves. Thousands without power, some died and an entire Reservation is in peril and these as*wpies couldn’t help but take a shot at Gore and Global Warming? Speaks volumes about Inhofe’s entire family.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:17 pmWhat’s with the weird double posts today?
February 9th, 2010 at 12:18 pmrandy says:
Every year you children try to apply what is going on with the weather as evidence of some catastrophic climate change condition. It snows a lot one year, not so much the next, thats how it always has been.
The cycles aren’t doing what they “always have been.” The cyclical change is increasingly abnormal. The abnormality we’ve been experiencing is unprecedented in history. Climate scientists noticing that fact is exactly what we’re talking about.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:18 pmTalk to the Olympic organizers in Vancouver about Global warming… actually, that could be dangerous, they just had the warmest January in Vancouver’s history…
February 9th, 2010 at 12:19 pm48 randy says:
You make me laugh, are you a total idiot? It’s occuring because weather and climate is cyclical you buffoon…blah, blah, blah.
Ahhh…ignorance is such bliss!
Cyclical? Some…maybe.
But, how much pollution and heat, that is being pumped into the atmosphere do you think the planet can stand? Now I know that is a little hard for you to think about since I’m sure you have a Flat-Earth globe at home…but try, please.
Jet aircraft…daily, 24/7…spewing SUPER heat into the upper levels of the atmosphere? That is having an effect. Oh and during certain times of the year, aircraft are even “altitued restricted” because of thinning ozone…and that means much more radiation (in that tin can and on the ground.)
Paving over millions of miles of land with heat gathering and reflecting pavement? That is having an effect.
and it goes on and on.
For you to simply say it does not exist…well, that is just stupid and it’s a suicide wish.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:19 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
it rains in deserts sometimes too.
doesn’t mean forests grow in them.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:21 pmFitToVote says:
Probably not, because in their world view, I’m sure the sun rotates around the earth.
It would have to. Heliocentrism is directly in conflict with biblical truth as revealed in Genesis. It’s obviously just another secular conspiracy.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:21 pmGood argument. Did it get you extra jello?
February 9th, 2010 at 12:22 pmrandy bleats:
“It’s occuring because weather and climate is cyclical you buffoon.”
Um, when global temperature averages continue to rise, each year surpassing the last, it would appear that the trend is moving in ONE direction. This, I believe would be the exact opposite of your “cyclical” theory, dooshbag.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:22 pmrandy says:
You make me laugh, are you a total idiot? It’s occuring because weather and climate is cyclical you buffoon. Every year you children try to apply what is going on with the weather as evidence of some catastrophic climate change condition. It snows a lot one year, not so much the next, thats how it always has been.
Yeah, New Orleans gets destroyed a lot one year, not so much the next, right?
If you’re not a climatologist, shut up and leave the science for the scientists.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:22 pmFred ♪♫♪ says:
Good argument. Did it get you extra jello?
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February 9th, 2010 at 12:24 pmThey get paid in pocket change and jello now? For a troll…that must be the good life.
backup says:
“There’s no virtue in enabling an insular worldview by ignoring it.”
We’re hardly ignoring Inhofe’s insular worldview, wouldn’t you agree?
If you’re referring to your own worldview, I myself would not consider it insular.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:24 pmI consider it more along the lines of a Flexible Flyer careering down an icy hill, slewing hither and yon by the merest of bumps.
You’re an idiot. No one said that stupid shit except you.
I call that pulling shit out of your ass cause that’s all it is.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:25 pm.
Shallow minds think that if it’s snowing in my backyard, it’s not a problem for other people if it’s not snowing in theirs.
INhofe s/b OUThofe
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February 9th, 2010 at 12:26 pmbackup says:
“Using one storm to weigh in on climate change is wrong.”
Precisely.
Politicians using their kids is wrong.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:29 pmSeriously wrong.
Fred ♪♫♪ says:
Backup is in full troll mode and is really stretching it when he invented this insane fictional narrative he’s crying about. He had to reach so far up his ass that he bruised his tonsils.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:31 pmihofe’s an oil company political asshat… and apparently it runs in the family…
February 9th, 2010 at 12:31 pmWhat happens when it melts? If it melts, will that prove them wrong? How will they explain what happened to it if it turns into a liquid?
February 9th, 2010 at 12:32 pmI am really quite sanguine about the Inhofe grand-kiddies’ shenanigans. After all it will be them and their kids who are going to be rationing water, food and fuel, while fending off hordes of desperate, starving environmental refugees. What a great world grandpa Inhofe’s going to leave his spawn!
February 9th, 2010 at 12:38 pmFred. Maybe you didn’t see it, but P.D. got the message at #70:
February 9th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
I agree.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:38 pmOnly if their stupidasses did something to better people instead of wasting our time about not being able to read a few health reform pages. They don’t have time to mock people , their sorry asses should be debating the health reform bill. Stop parading around mocking death and acting like teatards.
What the hell is the matter with them? Can they, at the very least, act like they want to help instead of doing the stupid?
tearube’s logic
I’m going to invest in sunblock.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:41 pmRandy also believes that it gets hot during the day and colder at night. So that’s cyclical too! No problemo, all’s well, let’s spew more waste into our sky!
February 9th, 2010 at 12:43 pmRandy says:
The science behind all this nonsense is biased with political and ideological aims, and its has been exposed.
So have you. Now quit exposing your stupidity & microgenitalia in public.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:44 pmIt’s gotten too hot thee. :)
February 9th, 2010 at 12:47 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Science for Repubs is just so darn difficult. Numbers, numbers, numbers. . . so hard to make a picture out of numbers.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:49 pmOh wow, one person mentioned the problems that the storm is causing and you immediatly try to make the whole discussion appear to be about that.
What is your problem?
February 9th, 2010 at 12:49 pmFor being so convinced he is right, you would think Inhofe could offer facts to back up his nonsense just once instead of stupid insults and stunts.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:50 pmA couple of years ago I watched a show on Discovery or NatGeo (or possibly a different channel) that explained the following:
As the planet becomes warmer the polar ice caps melt. This added fresh water dilutes the salinity of the oceans which, in turn, will impact the speed at which the gulf stream (for example) travels. Over time, this will turn the planet colder, eventually leading to another ice age.
**my disclaimer**
That is the essence of their explanation. I may not have characterized it precisely.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:51 pmBackup, did you even bother to read the post?
This isn’t about kids playing in their yard, the kids are being used as props in a political stunt. They built this igloo on public property and are using to mock Al Gore. What is wrong with you that you have become so blind to reality?
February 9th, 2010 at 12:52 pmIt will do what it wants to do when it wants to do it and you’re all terribly arrogant to think we have any global impact on that. Terribly arrogant.
You have to be terribly arrogant to believe this in the face of all the science that shows the exact opposite.
Or terribly ignorant.
One or the other.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:53 pmYou denigrate Al Gore the way Sarah Palin denigrates President Obama. Neither one of you is fit to shine the shoes of either of these men trying to help the people of this planet. STFU you stupid piece of scum.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:54 pmExit Stage Left, brought to you by United Death Care,
February 9th, 2010 at 12:54 pmThe funny thing is National Geographic Television and Film is 50% owned by Fox and National Geographic owns the other 50%.
No we’re not and you saying it doesn’t make it true.
If lies are all you got, you have doomed yourself.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:56 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
wildweasel says:
Good lord… what an idiotic comment.
All science is based on theories… what could you possibly think you’re saying?
It makes no sense. And it’s spelled ‘theory’…
February 9th, 2010 at 1:18 pmwildweasel:
Besides your opinion, do you have any valid science from the reality based universe that proves your assertion that climate change is a hoax? Don’t bother with links to astro-turf sites, I am asking for genuine peer reviewed articles.
If you don’t, I respectful ask you to be quiet and let the adults converse.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:18 pmI won’t dignify it by calling it a science. That’s too broad. It’s just a thoery [sic].
That’s about what I expect from these anti-science inbreds. The don’t understand the science and they can’t even spell theory.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:19 pm12 inches… warmer and moister… penetration…
No wonder the cons are all aflutter… it’s climate porn…
February 9th, 2010 at 1:20 pmWell, one should probably know what a scientific theory entails (and how to spell it) before one starts asserting that I said it was ‘perfect’
February 9th, 2010 at 1:24 pmI know the science is compelling. But, does anyone here think that it is at least coincidental that in the last 40 years (only about .0016 percent of a 2.5 million year human history) we simultaneously gain both the ability to accurately measure, record and analyze global temperature data and the knowledge that our activities are causing the planet to warm to dangerous levels.
The capability to accurately measure the temperature didn’t come first. Or the catastrophic warming. The capability came at (geologically) the same time as the consensus that man is causing significant and detrimental warming.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:32 pmThe capability came at (geologically) the same time as the consensus that man is causing significant and detrimental warming.
Does anyone else find it odd that (geologically) basically all of human history happened at basically the same time?
Wow.
Deep, backup.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:33 pmThe Republic of Stupidity,
February 9th, 2010 at 1:37 pmThe funny thing is their ancestors probably said the same thing about Louis Pasteur’s germ theory. “It’s just a theory.”
backup, get a freakin’ clue:
Link
1859
Tyndall discovers that some gases block infrared radiation. He suggests that changes in the concentration of the gases could bring climate change. =>Other gases
1896
Arrhenius publishes first calculation of global warming from human emissions of CO2. =>Simple models
1897
February 9th, 2010 at 1:38 pmChamberlin produces a model for global carbon exchange including feedbacks
No, do you find it coincidental that in the decade of the 60’s we advanced technologically enough to go to the moon?
Next fallacy.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:39 pmThis doesn’t just show their ignorance of global warming, it shows their ignorance of how weather works in general. The amount of snowfall isn’t based on how cold it gets. The amount of snowfall is caused by the amount of precipitation in the air, which freezes and then falls as snow. Precipitation is caused by HEAT which causes water to evaporate and enter the air.
Therefore, this deadly snowfall wasn’t the result of no-global warming…it is the result of warming causing heavy amounts of water to evaporate, travel inland and then freeze and fall.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:39 pmOT
StarKist Becomes 102nd Sponsor To Drop Glenn Beck
tee-hee
when will becky learn?
February 9th, 2010 at 1:41 pmI would settle for seeing someone, anyone, inflict so much pain on Jim DeMint that he would cry himself to death. This man is the walking definition of a total fraud.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:42 pmbut…but…butbackup says:
No it is not a remarkable coincidence, it is a fact.
Is it also a remarkable coincidence that in that same time frame man traveled to the moon and landed probes on other planets?
February 9th, 2010 at 1:42 pmListen, ass-wipe, if you don’t have anything to offer on climate change threads that doesn’t involve your tinfoil hat conspiracies, go away and troll a different thread.
This is great…..look at these geniuses lecturing me on science…
Huh….ALL science? Are you sure that FACTS don’t fit in there somewhere and that THEORIES don’t need to be proven before the science is taken seriously?
The don’t? What do THE don’t understand?
Excellent – the person who criticized me for a typo, commits a typo while they accuse me of not knowing how to spell a word that I spelled right all other times before I mistyped it. Yes, that’s the same person who has made him or herself belive that climate change exists – facts be damned.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:43 pmAlright, Shayne. I’ll give you 150 years ago that someone started thinking about the idea.
At what point did we get the ability to accurately measure the global temperature to within the tolerances we talk about today?
I’m guessing about 40 years, but I don’t know.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:44 pmFred ♪♫♪ says:
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backup says:
Fred. Maybe you didn’t see it, but P.D. got the message at #70:
Oh wow, one person mentioned the problems that the storm is causing and you immediatly try to make the whole discussion appear to be about that.
What is your problem?
February 9th, 2010 at 12:49 pm Vote Up | Vote Down | (2) | Report Ab
February 9th, 2010 at 1:44 pmMultiple choice time:
B-cups problem is:
a-He’s arrogant.
b-Hw’a a narcissist,
c-He thin;s he’s a blooming george will,only more obnoxious
d-He thinks he’s cute at these games.
Take your choice. I really think he’s completely lost it on the last two threads.
tony and lido
wildweasel says:
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Go back to studying something you are an expert on… the interior of your own large colon.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:47 pmWhere’s your proof fool? This is where you get your ass handed to you if you have the balls to persue it.
You’re choice. Man or mouse.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:48 pmHuh….ALL science? Are you sure that FACTS don’t fit in there somewhere and that THEORIES don’t need to be proven before the science is taken seriously?
Yeah, I am.
Scientific ‘fact’ doesn’t mean what you think it means.
Science doesn’t work how you think it does, sorry.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:49 pmDon’t the Republicans understand the difference
between climate and weather? Don’t they know
that weather extremes are going to be caused
by climate change?
What an obtuse bunch of ignoramuses!
February 9th, 2010 at 1:51 pmcomon backup, we went to the moon in 10 years.
Now you want to pretend that we don’t have reliable technology?
February 9th, 2010 at 1:52 pmI going to start circulating my own conspiracy theory that these rightwingers only pretend to be this dense.
We waste our time arguing with them versus doing something more productive to counter the propaganda their corporate masters spew.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:55 pmFred,
February 9th, 2010 at 1:59 pmHe’s a mouse. He took the time to bust somebodies balls about a typo and to critique the science but ultimately he’s got nothing.
Republicans make an art of fooling the gullible among us. They created a TEA PARTY full of ignorant fools, and continue to abuse this base of uneducated religious nut cases to their advantage. If only those ignoramuses would realize that the Republicans NEVER DID ANYTHING FOR THEM. They continue to vote, no, CAMPAIGN for policy that is against their own interest. ANTI GAY, ANTI BLACK, ANTI JOBS, ANTI MIDDLE CLASS; PRO RELIGION, PRO TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHY, PRO CORRUPTION, PRO INCOMPETENCE.
February 9th, 2010 at 2:01 pmweaselshitforbains,
Facts and theories are two different animals. A theory attempts to make sense out of facts in the most prosaic way. As more facts are introduced, sometimes the theories adapt to fit the new set of facts. Theories are never considered to be unalterable or 100% correct. That’s science bubba.
You pridefully ignorant throwbacks misuse the scientific concept of theory. Evolution? It’s just a theory! Global warming? It’s just a theory! Gravity? It’s just a theory!
Drop a bowling ball on your head and tell me how that theory holds up.
No, seriously try it. Gravity is just some theory.
February 9th, 2010 at 2:01 pmHe sure dissapeared when confronted, didn’t he.
February 9th, 2010 at 2:01 pmFred. I was trying to make the point that it’s coincidental that human beings gained the ability to accurately measure global temperatures at exactly the right time in history to recognize and prevent our current climate crisis.
But, after considering what belaccifer lacca and Shayne had to say, it’s not that coincidental.
The population has exploded over the last few hundred years and the industrial revolution has increased human carbon emissions significantly. It’s not difficult for scientist to consider increased pollution and question whether it could effect our ecology. Additionally, it’s not that much of a stretch to believe that the ability to measure global temperatures could coincide with the scientific advances that made the industrial revolution possible.
Long story short: In the words of Rahm Emanuel, my point was retarded.
February 9th, 2010 at 2:03 pmFred ♪♫♪ says:
He sure dissapeared when confronted, didn’t he.
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February 9th, 2010 at 2:05 pmHe’ll be back. He’s probably getting his mother to help him read a WND article. “Th- th- the! I did it!”
The thing about those who doubt that human activity is a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures is they are either religious, ignorant or have an agenda (oil, coal, etc.): there was a study done back in 2009 that showed that petroleum geologists and meteorologists were among the biggest doubters, with only 47 percent who believed that humans could affect the climate.
February 9th, 2010 at 2:15 pmYou mean pursue it? The judgemental community here doesn’t like mispellings….one of them considered it a trait of inbreds….their criteria, not mine. VERY scientific, though.
Well, where’s YOUR proof?
There is no legitimate “proof” either way! That’s why it’s just a theory! There is no factual science to prove climate change one way or the other.
Once upon a time, we thought the world was flat….because it looked flat. All the easiest evidence to collect said it was flat. That was the theory. “Don’t sail off too far! You’ll fall off the end of the earth!” they said.
Then someone came along and said it was round….they didn’t like that.
Hey, all I’m saying is the amount of changes that these flat earth climate change people want is not warrented with a vaguely-supported theory, whose data has been, at times, shown to be false, falsified and inaccurate.
You all do what you want. I disagree, that’s all.
It’s round, I say.
February 9th, 2010 at 2:18 pmDon’t worry everyone summer is right around the corner. There will be droughts and heat waves and the neocons will be nowhere to be found. Winter is one thing no water things die.
February 9th, 2010 at 2:20 pmSend the Inhofe children back to science class! How awful they have managed to go so far in school without knowing the difference between WEATHER and CLIMATE! Guess that’s what No Child Left Behind has done to the country.
February 9th, 2010 at 2:26 pmThat’s just one place where you are wrong.
Next fool.
February 9th, 2010 at 2:27 pmthey don’t call him weasel for nothing guys.
He’s fact free.
February 9th, 2010 at 2:31 pmThat’s the crappiest igloo I’ve ever seen. They better pull that little kid out of there before it collapses on him.
February 9th, 2010 at 2:35 pmSo, you’re the guy with the time machine?
February 9th, 2010 at 2:41 pmSo, you’re the guy with the time machine?
Nah, just an interest in observable reality… why do you dislike that so much?
February 9th, 2010 at 2:45 pmwildweasel says:
That is where science comes in, the ancients Greeks proved the earth was a sphere one 2300 years ago. There were still deniers of that proven scientific fact in the 20th century. I bet you you were aound a hundered years ago, you would have joined the Flat Earth Society.
February 9th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
belaccifer lacca says:
Nah, just an interest in observable reality… why do you dislike that so much?
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February 9th, 2010 at 2:51 pmObservable reality doesn’t come with a “GOD DID IT” guarantee. That’s why.
Boy. That bunch of rotten apples didn’t splat far from the rotten old apple tree, eh?
Good grief. And to be so proud of their ignorance, too. Yikes.
February 9th, 2010 at 3:01 pmI don’t dislike it. But there’s ALWAYS more than meets the eye. And when your “observable reality” can possibly be a biased fabrication and has already been found to have holes in it, then staking the whole future of the human race, culture, world economy, the future of our children, etc. on that is not something I’m willing to gamble on.
To me, something as complex, large, chaotic and unpredictable as the climate of earth is not something that I have seen that we can accurately predict – even short-term, nevermind 50 years out.
We may get there one day….but we’re not there now. It’s mostly propaganda.
February 9th, 2010 at 3:01 pmI don’t dislike it. But there’s ALWAYS more than meets the eye.
No, that’s the TRANSFORMERS, this is science.
We may get there one day….but we’re not there now. It’s mostly propaganda.
The propaganda is coming from those who wish to ignore what the science is telling us… really.
Read it.
February 9th, 2010 at 3:10 pmTraining their own offspring to be idiots.
February 9th, 2010 at 3:12 pmWeasel:
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Who cares what you believe, we would rather deal with facts?
For goodness sakes, you actually believe Sarah Palin is intelligent just because her IQ is twenty points higher than yours. Unfortunately, Mooselini needs another 12 points in order for her IQ to reach triple digits.
Do the gene pool a favor, go kiss headlights on the nearest interstate
February 9th, 2010 at 3:16 pmwildweasel says:
There is no legitimate “proof” either way! That’s why it’s just a theory!
Fall up.
February 9th, 2010 at 3:17 pmIf I put you in a hot air baloon, you will.
February 9th, 2010 at 3:22 pmRe: The Update:
Yes, Senator, it’s HILARIOUS that yet another generation of morons has no clue what the difference between “weather” and “climate” is. An absolute fcuking riot.
February 9th, 2010 at 3:23 pmjust a theory
Thank you. You have just proven yourself so incredibly ignorant of science and all terms related thereto that you are not worthy of participating in this conversation.
February 9th, 2010 at 3:24 pmShitweasel
You are stupid. Everytime you post you show again just what a fool you are. Actually the learned people of the world knew the world was a sphere since at LEAST the Ancient Egyptians who told Solon the planets were orbs and the Ancient Mayan holy book the Popul Vuh speaks of the round face of the Earth. Only in Europe where the Catholic Church supressed learning did people think the Earth was flat
February 9th, 2010 at 3:25 pmshitweasel
Ignorant of science, ignorant of history, ignorant of politics. Actually just plain ignorant
February 9th, 2010 at 3:26 pmwildweasel
Are spelling and grammar just theories too? You sure make it seem like they are.
It’s “balloon” not “baloon.”
February 9th, 2010 at 3:28 pmwildweasel. Do you have an F-4 connection?
February 9th, 2010 at 3:30 pmFall up.
If I put you in a hot air baloon, you will.
Really? This is your rebuttal? WOW. So…because we know that gravity exists and what it takes to overcome the acceleration due to gravity that exists on Earth and are capable of doing so…it doesn’t exist in your reality?
Please….step away from the computer before you hurt yourself.
February 9th, 2010 at 3:32 pmConsensus today is that man is contributing to warming and climate change. That doesn’t mean that it will be the consensus 50 years from now.
Before Galileo or Copernicus, the consensus was that the Earth was the center of the universe. I imagine that many felt that Galileo was arrogant or ignorant for suggesting that wasn’t the case.
It’s not an excuse to do nothing. If the consensus today is that man’s emissions are causing climate change, we should make efforts to reduce the emissions.
But, skepticism on the matter seems appropriate.
February 9th, 2010 at 3:37 pmBefore Galileo or Copernicus, the consensus was that the Earth was the center of the universe.
The different being that that consensus was reached because of a Biblical interpretation, not scientific evidence and mathematical proof.
I imagine that many felt that Galileo was arrogant or ignorant for suggesting that wasn’t the case.
No, they felt he was heretical. Again, because the popular view had nothing to do with the observable world and everything to do with Christianity being arrogant enough to think that Earth was the center of the universe. No other reason.
skepticism on the matter seems appropriate.
Yeah, but we aren’t talking about skepticism. We’re looking down the barrel of stupidity that is just embarrassing. We’re talking about people who sneer at the idea of climate change because it’s cold outside (don’t know the difference between weather and climate), and people who say stupid things like “it’s just a theory” showing that they have no idea what a theory even is.
Skepticism among the scientific community has NOTHING to do with whether or not the climate is getting hotter. It is. That’s fact. The discussion among skeptics is whether or not man is responsible and to what extent. The consensus my a WIDE margin is that it’s too coincidental to not be the case.
These people, however, see snow outside and say “See! Told you the climate isn’t getting warmer.” That’s not skepticism. It’s idiocy.
February 9th, 2010 at 3:47 pmAll right, you two geniuses (backup and assweasel) – humans have only learned how to FLY in the last 100 years; does that mean that the science isn’t valid…?
Humankind’s output of greenhouse gases has increased exponentially over the last 250 years; basically from none at all – it’s just idiotic to state that such a sudden and drastic increase would NOT have some sort of effect on the environment, and that those effects themselves create other effects and so on.
Prudent and reasonable people should be smart enough to err on the side of caution…but I have yet to meet a ‘prudent and reasonable’ teabagger, and that particular species of Republican is as extinct as the dodo.
February 9th, 2010 at 3:55 pmI quit a long time ago hoping repugs would be smart enough to understand climate as opposed to weather but when you have a repug senator like Jackoffe it’s time to quit trying everybody.
February 9th, 2010 at 3:55 pmBackup:
Nobody really cares what you think anymore, you proved you are a nut with your tinfoil hat conspiracy. last Saturday night.
You have not once provided a single link to valid science that discredits the theory of climate change in all the time you have been trolling Think Progress.
What do you get out of this, is you life so pathetic that you do it for the attention?
February 9th, 2010 at 3:59 pmPlease explain what it is that you hope to accomplish by trolling threads about racism and climate change?
Backup…are you putting yourself in with the people who wanted to burn Galileo at the stake for daring to speak a scientific truth….?
This same bunch would gladly burn Al Gore and any other scientist at the stake as well. Given half a chance, I’ll bet Inhofe and his brood of ignoramuses would be more than happy to bring the torches.
February 9th, 2010 at 4:00 pmAnd…as my final shot…
Stupid people have ALWAYS hated people who are smarter than they are, and call them “arrogant” and “elitists.”
It’s simple jealousy. Period.
February 9th, 2010 at 4:02 pmRab says:
I quit a long time ago hoping repugs would be smart enough to understand climate as opposed to weather but when you have a repug senator like Jackoffe it’s time to quit trying everybody.
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February 9th, 2010 at 4:02 pmEven I’m not that optimistic. He is a bible-thumper like no other and if you read Inhofe’s wikipedia page he supports some pretty terrible shit. In short Inhofe and most modern conservatives are f***ing idiots.
Annie, our good friend backup claims to be one of the elite pilots at Delta Airlines and says he pilots a 777-200-ER from Atlanta to Dubai. I sure hope they do periodic testing of their pilot’s psychological fitness.
February 9th, 2010 at 4:05 pmGlobal warming is a hoax.
February 9th, 2010 at 4:11 pmconservative guy says:
Global warming is a hoax.
Do you have any real science to back up your claim that didn’t come from an astro-turf source?
Put up or shut up.
February 9th, 2010 at 4:14 pmGlobal warming is a hoax.
Prove it.
Oh wait…you can’t. You can’t even form a coherent sentence.
February 9th, 2010 at 4:15 pmThe point of this is that ignorance runs in families?
Or just that re=Thugs are all ignorant?
February 9th, 2010 at 4:32 pm*
Reggie. I ask questions that occur to me. I’ve been living under the assumption that if I brought contrary data findings, that the response would be to discredit the sources. That data would be considered not valid, or funded by corporations or not peer reviewed by the IPCC.
The problem with peer review on this topic, are that the peers all come from the same community that’s conducting the review. It would be like trying to nail down an ethics problem among priests by assembling a committee of priests.
Let me ask you, Reggie. Out of all the studies on the issue, have you come across even one that is contrary to the warming theory that you find credible?
February 9th, 2010 at 4:33 pmReggie. ‘elite’ is your word, not mine. And I fly different routes. ATL – DXB is one of them.
February 9th, 2010 at 4:35 pmTo all deniers I ask “is this normal?” If not, then we are indeed experiencing abnormal weather patterns, proof positive for global warming.
February 9th, 2010 at 4:39 pmI’ve been living under the assumption that if I brought contrary data findings, that the response would be to discredit the sources. That data would be considered not valid, or funded by corporations or not peer reviewed by the IPCC.
That assumption reveals that you don’t know anything about the scientific community. They LIVE for ideas that are contrary to old ones. Nobel Prizes get awarded for proving old ideas incorrect.
This concept that those with dissenting opinions are shut out of the system is a line of utter bullshit being spread by people who want you to buy their ideas, despite having not been proven or even slightly accepted by the scientific community.
February 9th, 2010 at 4:57 pmIt would be like trying to nail down an ethics problem among priests by assembling a committee of priests.
Are you suggesting that someone other than priests would understand the ethical issues surrounding priesthood better?
This statement is ignorant to the max. Ethical issues ARE decided upon by a convening groups of those whom they effect. Lawyers set ethics down for lawyers, doctors for doctors, accountants for accountants.
So yes, actually, it would be just like that, which is precisely how it should be.
February 9th, 2010 at 5:01 pmDeniers come out with there own list of scientists that have contrary views to man caused climate change.
A list like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming
They’re scientists. Are they considered part of the the peer group?
February 9th, 2010 at 5:13 pmThat igloo could provide some shelter for senior citizens after the Republicans dismantle Social Security. However, there will be a huge housing problem for these senior when the Spring thaw happens.
February 9th, 2010 at 5:17 pmBackup:
You have lost the last shred of credibility you had here Saturday night when you came up with the greatest conspiracy in history.
The science is there, instead of trolling blogs and getting your rocks off irritating people, why not takes some time and do some research. I have linked to several of Peter Sinclair’s videos on you tube, they are entertaining and good place for non scientists to learn how the deniers “cherry pick” data and quotes to make it appear that certain papers deny climate change, when the opposite is true.
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I have a question for you Captain Mantastic, why would the Canadian Gov’t spend $156 million dollars if climate change was a hoax. We currently have a Prime Minister who is far right wing and from Alberta. If you are not familiar with Canada, Alberta’a economy is booming right now, primarily because it is the largest supplier of crude oil to the U.S.
February 9th, 2010 at 5:40 pmWell, for starters, they could point to the expenditure as action by the government to solve a problem the public has been led to believe exists.
February 9th, 2010 at 6:24 pmRight wingers are actually getting dumber as time goes by. Soon the movie Idiocracy will become a reality.
February 9th, 2010 at 6:39 pmWhat’s really pathetic is how republicans and conservatives take pride in their ignorance.
February 9th, 2010 at 6:46 pmReggie. I’m not a scientist. But, I’ve worked for the government and the private sector.
The experience I had with the government causes me to understand that what was often more important than performance was politics.
I know my skepticism is the minority position. And I realize I could be wrong. About two weeks ago, I had a long discussion with a close friend who has worked for the government for 30 years. He’s an O-6 in the military. We talked about climate change for the first time.
The crazy conspiracy I relayed a few nights ago, I shared with my friend. He believed exactly how I believe. It was obviously already an independent view on his part (I wasn’t persuading him of anything new).
Maybe I’m crazy. If I’m crazy, so’s he. The point is; I think a lot of people think it’s plausible there is, if not conspiracy, a subconscious groupthink on the issue that overstates man’s impact and the direness of the circumstance.
That overstatement is being cultivated to get more control of environmental and social issues.
That’s what I think.
February 9th, 2010 at 6:47 pmIt wasn’t spent to solve anything, the money was spend to fund 320 top scientists from around the world to do research on a mega-icebreaker in the Arctic for a year.
Why would a prime minister who is only in power because of his overwhelming support in Alberta, which is oil country, risk alienating his base, just to promote a hoax?. He only received 34% of the vote last election, has a minority government and is hanging on by a thread.
Where did the frickin ice go?
Where did the alpine glaciers go?
Are you claiming the scientists faked being in open water all winter?
Did they hide the ice at the same place where NASA staged fake moon landing?
Somebody better warn Delta that one of their captains just flew over the cuckoo’s nest before he takes out a plane and a few hundred people.
February 9th, 2010 at 7:06 pmCaptain Mantastic:
Are you trying to tell me that 100’s of thousands of scientist are working together to perpetrate a hoax and they have managed to prevent even one scientist from revealing how it is being done? It would be worth tens or hundreds of millions if it was a hoax and someone exposed it.
In addition to the scientists, all their spouses and lovers are keeping it a secret too?
You are batshit crazy!
You shouldn’t be flying, it may be time to have you grounded.
BTW, a word to the wise, it isn’t a smart idea to shoot off you mouth about where you are flying to, like you did last year. Do you know how few Captains flew that route in the following 4 weeks?. He also backed it up with the list of all first officers
I don’t know the answer. However, one of the other trolls busters found the answer, (along with all their names) after I showed him your comment.
You should be a little more discrete. I never expose anyone, but the other troll busters don’t play quite as fair as reggie.
February 9th, 2010 at 7:28 pmWhat in the hell is funny about a US Senator who does not “believe” in accepted scientific knowledge? The USSR did not believe in genetics because it was bad Soviet politics. That led to a massive failure of Soviet agriculture. The reason I don’t give him any slack is because I am unwilling to suffer a fool lightly–particularly when he is member of the Senate and busily dynamiting any attempt by the dems at being reasonable.
February 9th, 2010 at 7:49 pmYeah, teh stupid is strong with these people. Lucky me, I’m surrounded by it. I hear this crap every.single.time it snows.
I wrote Inhofe and requested that show me the peer reviewed journals in which these “scientists” have published their refutations of the evidence for climate change. So far, crickets.
February 9th, 2010 at 7:50 pmIF GLOBAL WARMING ISN’T REAL, THEN CAN THE REPUBLICANS PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY THERE IS NO SNOW FOR THE WINTER OLYMPICS IN CANADA AND WHY HERE IN MAINE IT WAS CLOSE TO 45 DEGREES TODAY AND WE HAVE 5 INCHES OF SNOW ON THE GROUND THANKS TO ALL THE MELTING…..IN FEBRUARY, YOU KNOW, WINTER?
February 9th, 2010 at 7:56 pmAnd before someone says to me, “But Kay! It’s not about temperatures!”, then please tell right winger Howie Carr of WRKO out of Boston that! Every day we get to hear Howie say, “Gee, it’s 30 degrees today in Boston! It’s warm here!!! See? I guess global warming isn’t real and it’s snowing in DC today!”.
Truly, he’s a moron just like the rest of the right wing fringers.
February 9th, 2010 at 7:59 pmExit Stage Left, brought to you by United Death Care says:
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A couple of years ago I watched a show on Discovery or NatGeo (or possibly a different channel) that explained the following:
As the planet becomes warmer the polar ice caps melt. This added fresh water dilutes the salinity of the oceans which, in turn, will impact the speed at which the gulf stream (for example) travels. Over time, this will turn the planet colder, eventually leading to another ice age.
**my disclaimer**
That is the essence of their explanation. I may not have characterized it precisely.
This is exactly what my dad likes to preach to me about. He thinks that global warming is a scam made up by us liberals to “destroy our standard of living” and truely believes that we’re going to get another “Ice Age”.I’ve learned to tune him out when he starts talking about climate change or just plitics in general.
February 9th, 2010 at 8:32 pmoops
February 9th, 2010 at 8:34 pmpilitics=politics
KayInMaine says:
IF GLOBAL WARMING ISN’T REAL, THEN CAN THE REPUBLICANS PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY THERE IS NO SNOW FOR THE WINTER OLYMPICS IN CANADA AND WHY HERE IN MAINE IT WAS CLOSE TO 45 DEGREES TODAY AND WE HAVE 5 INCHES OF SNOW ON THE GROUND THANKS TO ALL THE MELTING…..IN FEBRUARY, YOU KNOW, WINTER?
They’ll only consider the evidence once there is no cold weather anywhere on the planet, ever.
February 9th, 2010 at 9:35 pmbackup says:
But, skepticism on the matter seems appropriate.
The tactics being used by deniers isn’t skepticism. It’s a concerted effort to discredit the science. They’re doing the exact same kinds of things that creationists do to “disprove” evolution. That’s not skepticism either.
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conservative guy says:
Global warming is a hoax.
Five words? Wow, good job!
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backup says:
The problem with peer review on this topic, are that the peers all come from the same community that’s conducting the review.
Yeah, climate scientists.
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backup says:
It would be like trying to nail down an ethics problem among priests by assembling a committee of priests.
No, it would be more like trying to nail down a problem regarding black holes by asking a committee of astrophysicists.
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backup says:
Deniers come out with there own list of scientists that have contrary views to man caused climate change.
A list like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming
They’re scientists. Are they considered part of the the peer group?
Let’s take a look:
Nope, they’re nuts. And none of them are involved in climate science. By the way, I found that linked chart on the same page, right next to their claims.
This next guy is pretty good though:
Note that he gets lumped in with the deniers, just because he says there should have been more warming than what’s been observed!
In any case, the number of scientists who say that global warming is an important concern and that human activity is very probably a significant factor in causing it exceeds the number of scientists who disagree with those propositions by several orders of magnitude.
Most of the people who are involved in atmospheric or climate science listed there are merely pointing out that there’s no “smoking gun” proving exactly how man-made CO2 affects temperature in Earth’s atmosphere. Which I agree with! Wait, does that make me a denier too?
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backup says:
I think a lot of people think it’s plausible there is, if not conspiracy, a subconscious groupthink on the issue that overstates man’s impact and the direness of the circumstance.
If so, it’s only as a response to people who when presented with the actual scientific findings start screaming that it’s all a hoax. Between people who say “this is an important concern” and people who act like flat-Earthers over the whole thing, I’m going to pick the “pro-” side instead of the crazies. You, you’ve decided to stand over there with the crazies.
The deniers are puppets of polluting industries. The same way that teabaggers are puppets of Wall Street. If it weren’t for them, we could perhaps have a cautious and considered discussion on the matter. Because of them, we have to use the strongest terms possible to push the supporting evidence to the forefront.
February 10th, 2010 at 1:56 amDeniers come out with there own list of scientists that have contrary views to man caused climate change.
What part of this:
Skepticism among the scientific community has NOTHING to do with whether or not the climate is getting hotter. It is. That’s fact. The discussion among skeptics is whether or not man is responsible and to what extent.
was so lost on you?
Do you seriously not recognize that the cause of global warming, not the fact of global warming, is the only part of this that is being debated, and even that is being debated by the slim minority of scientists?
February 10th, 2010 at 10:36 amSome of these things that republicans are doing today are so juvenile, they remind me of someone ten years old. Can you believe he is instilling his negative attitude into the minds of his children and grandchildren? These are people who admire Rush Limbaugh.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:48 amThese poor kids will end up being in sorry shape when they try to move out into the real world, believing that the world is only six thousand years old, the sun revolves around the planet earth and humans walked with dinosaurs. What a great education they are getting for the 21st century.
February 14th, 2010 at 7:04 am