Insurer Denies Life-Prolonging Treatment To Five-Year-Old Boy With Cancer
Insurer Denies Life-Prolonging Treatment To Five-Year-Old Boy With Cancer
One of the worst abuses of private insurance companies is the practice of using spurious reasons to deny claims for medical treatments, which are often necessary for saving patients’ lives.
Kyler Van Nocker’s story shows that even 5-year-old kids are not exempt from this insurance company abuse. Van Nocker has neuroblastoma, which is a very rare form of childhood cancer that targets the nervous system and creates tumors throughout the body.
Due to successful treatment in 2007, Van Nocker’s cancer went into remission, giving him 12 months of pain-free life. Unfortunately, in Sept. 2008, the cancer returned, and Van Nocker was once again in need of treatment. Unfortunately, his health insurer, HealthAmerica, refused to pay for one form of treatment doctors believe could save his life (MIBG treatment) because they consider it “investigational/experimental” since it has yet to be approved by the FDA.
Yet in April 2008, the insurer approved cheaper treatment for Van Nocker that was also “experimental,” prompting Philadelphia Daily News columnist Ronnie Polaneczky to ask, “So why, pray tell, is HealthAmerica playing the ‘experimental therapy’ card in the case of the MIBG treatment Kyler now needs? Gee, money couldn’t have anything to do with the decision, could it?”
Van Nocker’s parents are suing HealthAmerica, citing the fact that the company has apparently been dishonest about its criteria for the types of treatment it will cover and is denying payment for treatment in this case because of the high cost of the procedure — $110,000 pays for only two rounds of MIBG treatment. “These companies have to be brought to the courthouse to get them to do the right thing,” says the VanNockers’s family attorney. “This child needs this treatment, or else.”
The sad truth is that Van Nocker is certainly not alone in having his claim denied by a major health insurer. The California Nurses Association (CNA), a nurses’ union and health care advocacy group, recently released a comprehensive study of claims denials across California. The study found that the six largest insurers in California rejected 47.7 million claims in the first half of 2009, nearly 22 percent of all claims submitted.
The United States is the only industrialized nation without cradle-to-the-grave, universal health care. In no other developed country would a child with cancer have to go without care because an insurance company decided it was not profitable enough to cover him.
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Teabagging terrorist hicks will claim this five-year old is just a librul socialist activist who is faking an illness.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:18 pmDamn Shame. I pray for this child and family. Just like us all the insurance companies will one day meet our MAKER.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:18 pmBy the time the lawsuits are under way the child will die.
And this is some valid kind of way to run our health care system>?
For profit?
At what human cost?
February 9th, 2010 at 12:19 pmAnd yet, Washington is playing politics while this boy’s life hangs in the balance. They all have blood on their hands, The politicains who don’t give a sh*t and the Insurance Industry who will let children and the ill die in the street.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:19 pmInsurance companies (and republicans) to sick kids: Drop dead.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:20 pmStories like this continue to illustrate the cold hard fact – we need health care reform NOW! What kind of cold individual or company refuses to do everything in their power to help a five year old boy – a health care company of course. Truly sickening behavior.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:20 pmAh, the free-market system at work. To the GOP: How exactly is this better?
February 9th, 2010 at 12:20 pmInsurer Denies Life-Prolonging Treatment To Five-Year-Old Boy With Cancer
Republicans: So?
February 9th, 2010 at 12:21 pmGot DEATH BY DENIAL PANELS???
February 9th, 2010 at 12:23 pmDEATH PANELS!
February 9th, 2010 at 12:24 pm.
Let Sarah Palin be silent in 3, 2, 1…
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February 9th, 2010 at 12:25 pmWho the VDT? Is it you @9? Your post is a disgrace. The boy is DYING you jack-ass! You truly suck.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:25 pmRepubican says:
How do you pronounce that username? Re-pube-ican? Or is it that you just can’t spell?
February 9th, 2010 at 12:25 pm@Repubican
And that’s somehow worse than your defense of the system that’s killing him in the name of corporate profits?! You and all you RW’ers who defend the insurance industry’s abuses and the patch-work pile of cr@p that is our current health care system have the BLOOD of these children and 1000’s of other citizens every year on your hands.
“Political Pawn.” Unbelievable. THAT’S your “concern” here. You’re despicable.
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February 9th, 2010 at 12:26 pmIMHO
Nice@16, It’s incredible, isn’t it? The lack of empathy is stunning. The trolls are a heartless bunch. I think they are insane.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:29 pmif only that family had been able to buy insurance across state lines,
then getting satisfaction from the insurance company would be far more difficult and expensive for them.
of course, with “aggressive tort reform” they’d be just plain s.o.l.
righties really need to answer the “what if it was you?” questions. if they did, we wouldn’t have to hear about their crackpot “solutions”.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:29 pmRead this: the signs and symptoms of Neuroblastoma and explain to me why I shouldn’t think of the insurance companies as murderers. The patient is a child for f**k sakes!
February 9th, 2010 at 12:30 pm.
Dear Republican,
Tell me…
… Do ALL Americans deserve affordable Health Care?
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February 9th, 2010 at 12:31 pmAs a cancer survivor in three year remission, this scenario is just too close to home.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:31 pmBTW, my last EOB from Aetna showed I’ve used up over 12% of my lifetime benefits. That was for a single incident of adeno carcinoma (a lung lobectomy with complications requiring a second surgery to remove mrsa fluid congealed in my chest cavity).
Tough scheiss for me if I get any re-currence, as the radiation and chemo will exceed that remainder in less than a year.
The other day on TV I heard the president refer to “health care insurance reform.” This was the first time I could remember hearing it put like that. Usually it’s just health care reform. But it made me wonder if a new strategy is being formulated.
God bless this little boy and his family. Hell will have a special place for insurance executives.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:31 pmIt only took 4 minutes to prove me correct. Thanks, hick.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:31 pmAdding “invetigational” to the “experimental” qualification is a new one, and IMHO, shows “consciousness of guilt”.
Simply calling everything “experimental” wasn’t enough. They had to add a new term to broaden the category so they could deny more claims.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:31 pmRepubican says:
Does this little boys parents know he’s being used a political pawn?
Is our children learning?
Alert IMHOFE! His grandchildren are being used as a ‘political pawn!’
(you know, I bet his parents would be okay with him being used as a political checker if it meant he got treatment…)
Does he deserve treatment, repub?
February 9th, 2010 at 12:32 pm#9 – Repubican says:
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“Does this little boys parents know he’s being used a political pawn?”
February 9th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Or are they simply pissed-off that the GOP-backed insurancee-run-death-panels think their son’s life is bad for the bottom line profits that drive their health-care decisions?
Funny how the “political pawn” only is an issue for right-whiners when it’s NOT in their political interests? Terry Schiavo, anyone?
February 9th, 2010 at 12:32 pmThe insurer did, however, agree to pay for Palin’s witch doctor to show up and ’shoo’ the demons out of the boy’s body.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:33 pmCertainly sounds like a “death panel” to me.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:33 pmFebruary 9th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
These insurance companies create terror in the hearts of any and all who are sick or may become sick solely for profit.
The politicians who themselves profit from obscene insurance company profits and do their bidding are themselves obscene, morally bankrupt and patently un-American.
The person who ties them all together…
Gives them all legitimacy…
The person who purposely and with abject malice and total contempt for equal justice under law who twists and distorts the dire need for healthcare reform and accountability in this country is non other than…
Rupert Murdoch.
Rupert Murdoch is pure, planned, unending evil.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:36 pmRUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:
The insurer did, however, agree to pay for Palin’s witch doctor to show up and ’shoo’ the demons out of the boy’s body.
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February 9th, 2010 at 12:37 pmHe wasn’t a witch doctor he was a witch hunter. And…yeah because when I think health-care I think psycho witch hunters.
Call it what you want it is murder point blank. I hope every republican who voted against health care burn in HELL they make me sick to my stomach, all for greed these republicans should all be tried for murder as medical insurance co,s.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:37 pmRepubican says:
Does this little boys parents know he’s being used a political pawn?
Analysis: the apostrophe is missing, and it’s “being used as a political pawn”.
Grammar: C
February 9th, 2010 at 12:40 pmWhat were Republicans saying about “death panels” again? And those bureaucrats standing between you and your doctor?
February 9th, 2010 at 12:41 pmAnd it should be ‘DO this little boy’s…’
February 9th, 2010 at 12:42 pmBig John,
February 9th, 2010 at 12:42 pmWhat’s it like being a social Darwinist?
Can’t help but wonder what Repube would do/say if this was his/her child.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:42 pmI never cease to be horrified by the insensitivity, ignorance, and hate that these people demonstrate every day…and do so proudly. A goldfish has more compassion than these people.
Big John says:
February 9th, 2010 at 12:43 pmCommon senseCriminal conservatism: Strong live/weak die.Big@33, Would you fell that way if it was your child?
February 9th, 2010 at 12:44 pm@John If that were you, would you say the same thing? Oh wait, no. You’d be all “Save me! Please save me!”
February 9th, 2010 at 12:45 pmP.D. says:
Big@33, Would you fell that way if it was your child?
We can only hope that this…person…will not reproduce.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:46 pmBig John says:
Common sense conservatism: Strong live/weak die.
Do conservatives believe in evolutionary processes?
February 9th, 2010 at 12:46 pmFritz@42, Their lack of empathy and immoral comments makes me think they truly are disturbed.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:48 pmBig John = the unfortunate side effect of having a family tree with no branches.
I find people like you disgusting. If someone has a chronic health condition and can’t afford basic medical treatment, it’s because they’re too lazy to work five full-time jobs to afford it, right? How selfish of them to think they shouldn’t have to live in poverty to afford treatment for medical conditions that aren’t their fault, right? Sure, keep telling yourself that. You call yourselves “kind” and “loving” Christians, but you throw a temper tantrum and and drag your greedy knuckles every step of the way toward any form social or economic justice. You turn your backs on the poor and sick just to be spiteful and contrary to “the liberals”, and then you have the audacity go and proclaim yourselves “pro-life.”
Seriously just piss off.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:50 pmI told ya, blo job won’t be happy until we have gangs with guns riding around the country in thier pickups.
What about the cliche “compassionate conservative”
What about that john?
You guys are just all over the place. That’s why people have stopped listening to you.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:50 pmBig John says:
I’m scum
truth tellerpeople. Never said it was easy.Fixed that for you.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:51 pmATTENTION, ALL DEMOCRATS! Get your asses on tv with the photo of this adorable child and tell the American people that ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! STUPID BASTARDS!
February 9th, 2010 at 12:51 pmdumbstruck says:
The other day on TV I heard the president refer to “health care insurance reform.” This was the first time I could remember hearing it put like that. Usually it’s just health care reform. But it made me wonder if a new strategy is being formulated.
Well, it’s really “health insurance reform” as even the hypothetical single payer model didn’t actually change how medical practitioners operate, just insurance. But Obama spent most of 2009 with his mouth shut, and wasn’t out there shaping the debate at all. He’s been doing a similar thing by talking about the “Recovery Act” when most people were thinking of it as the “stimulus bill.”
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Big John says:
Common sense conservatism: Strong live/weak die.
The only problem there is, conservatives are weaklings.
By the way, you’re advocating and defining moral evil there. Just so you know. I mean, go ahead and run on that politically, but in order to be intellectually honest your signs and banners should say “EVIL” just to make sure everything’s properly labeled.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:51 pm@44, Well, I’m a truth teller and I think you suck you immoral bastard.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:51 pmIs that one of your famous “facts” that you keep saying we can’t refute?
February 9th, 2010 at 12:51 pmP.D. says:
Fritz@42, Their lack of empathy and immoral comments makes me think they truly are disturbed.
I agree, except that I would say they are criminally disturbed.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:52 pmHmm? What is it, Big John?
February 9th, 2010 at 12:52 pmBig John says:
This comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Common sense conservatism: Strong live/weak die.
Life’s tough liberals. Get use to it.
There goes any pretense of CONservatives being compassionate…
February 9th, 2010 at 12:52 pmRepubican says:
This comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Does this little boys parents know he’s being used a political pawn?
Typical Republican response to anything we bring up…whether it’s gun control, health care, or this. This is only meant to silence those who want to challenge the status quo. You yourself are used as a political pawn by the health insurance companies who love your insistence that we protect their profits even when they screw you over…
February 9th, 2010 at 12:53 pmBig John says:
Common sense conservatism
That’s an oxymoron. Try again.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:53 pmScott Brown was raised at the teet of the alledged nanny state and voted for MA style healthcare but they have boners over him becuase he has a pickup? What does this indicated about the depth of their convictions?
February 9th, 2010 at 12:54 pmThank you for a very nice article.
While I can appreciate how many will consider this linked to the current health care debate, please understand, this isn’t about access to coverage. Kyler actually has 2 insurance plans that cover him.
As such it has very little to do with what is currently proposed in DC by either party. Perhaps at some point one of those parties will be willing to address this issue. Up to this point, however, those members of Congress that I have spoken with (from both parties) are unwilling to do so.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:54 pmBig John says:
53, Are you advocating for a conservo/liberal civil war?
Bring it on, punk.
We don’t want to hear about your masturbatory fantasies…
February 9th, 2010 at 12:55 pmBring it on, punk.
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February 9th, 2010 at 12:56 pmThey aren’t even plausible pretenders. It must suck to be so bad at all they try…
Big John says:
Bring it on, punk.
Well, aren’t you the tough boy. You are a coward pvssy. Take a hike.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:56 pmBig John says:
“Bring it on, punk.”
We know where to find you in the morning…
February 9th, 2010 at 12:56 pm;)
@60, LOL! ‘Bring it on punk’? You sound like an old fart. Are you like Grampa Simpson? You know, ‘Old man shakes fist at cloud.’
February 9th, 2010 at 12:57 pmKylersFather says:
Thank you for a very nice article.
While I can appreciate how many will consider this linked to the current health care debate, please understand, this isn’t about access to coverage. Kyler actually has 2 insurance plans that cover him.
As such it has very little to do with what is currently proposed in DC by either party. Perhaps at some point one of those parties will be willing to address this issue. Up to this point, however, those members of Congress that I have spoken with (from both parties) are unwilling to do so.
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What representative(s) of Congress did you speak to? There are plenty of us here at TP who would be more than willing to send letters/emails to them.
I hope for the best for your son. :)
February 9th, 2010 at 12:58 pmNot Big John says:
Question for ya Johnie,
WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?
February 9th, 2010 at 12:58 pmKylersFather says:
Thank you for a very nice article.
While I can appreciate how many will consider this linked to the current health care debate, please understand, this isn’t about access to coverage. Kyler actually has 2 insurance plans that cover him.
As such it has very little to do with what is currently proposed in DC by either party. Perhaps at some point one of those parties will be willing to address this issue. Up to this point, however, those members of Congress that I have spoken with (from both parties) are unwilling to do so.
I wish you and Kyler well. I believe that the media attention this story will generate will help you both.
It’s just unfortunate that such situations must generate media attention before anything is done.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:58 pmBig John says:
Chicken.
P*ssy.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:59 pmBig John@ says:
I’m a truth teller people. Never said it was easy.
You’re wanker, Big John. Nothing more. A self contained “circle jerk”. Goes nowhere. Does nothing.
Your only thrill in life is to show up here and stir the pot defending the indefensible. It lets you know you are sucking in air to see others respond to your anti-social rants. Just reading this response must have made you wet the bed.
Well, post away. If you and the others similarly afflicted have any purpose at all, it would be only to help the rest of us who’s brains are wired properly and who feel and act on empathy to stay focused.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:00 pmRepubican says:
Does this little boys parents know he’s being used a political pawn?
So you were for political pawns before you were against them?
And you were against death panels before you were for them?
Got it! Another hypocrite flip-flop conservative…
February 9th, 2010 at 1:00 pmWhat causes a grown man to resort to this sort of behavior? It is so messed up and absurd.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:00 pmBig John says:
February 9th, 2010 at 1:00 pmhttp://www.ourchurch-graphics.com/member/r/royalkinggeteqh/Jeff3.jpg
Just ignore the troll…this is hardly the kind of thread that we should be bashing them on. Vote them down and move on.
Let Little John get his kicks on another thread.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:02 pmBig John and his lunatic friends on the right always express great concern for children while they are in the womb.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:02 pmAfter that? You’re on your own.
Big John says:
I’m a truth teller people. Never said it was easy.
It’s against your self interests to tell the truth, that explains why it’s so hard you never do it patsy! ;)
I’m glad to see you republicans are “for death panels” now!
You should go let faux know that their politicized coverage of the health care debate was typical GOP b*llsh*t and you want them to stop. Oh wait, that would require you to “tell the truth” and that’s not easy for you is it patsy? ;)
February 9th, 2010 at 1:03 pm@72, LOL! You are so full of sh*t! Are you supposed to be intimidating? Pleeze! You are a big wuss who has to hassle people here to make yourself feel ‘Big’. What a chump!
February 9th, 2010 at 1:03 pmThe only plausible explaination is that the are left wingers trying to make right wingers look like complete idiots. I don’t approve of such dishonesty but I suppose it would explain the idiotic obsession with hanging out here intentionally being tools…
February 9th, 2010 at 1:03 pmBack off.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:04 pm—
Not likely poser….
Pig John is a phucking retard.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:04 pm@Dr.Who on 18
Nonsense. Once you allow insurance to be bough anywhere, in the long term, it will be a race to the bottom as every company will end up with only one policy, based in the state with the fewest regulations. That’s nothing but a good way to make sure that citizens have NO SAY AT ALL over what gets covered and what doesn’t.
Other than Sarah Palin, it was the single most misguided idea of the ‘08 McCain campain.
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February 9th, 2010 at 1:04 pmIMHO
hey little fella, You’ve been here for weeks or more and you haven’t provided one fact. Not one.
We’ll wait while you try to stand up on both feet and be a man.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:04 pmInsurance vs. Kyler-Philly.com
February 9th, 2010 at 1:05 pmFred ♪♫♪ says:
We’ll wait while you try to stand up on both feet and be a man.
Be a man? That’s hardly possible.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:07 pmIn no other developed country would a child with cancer have to go without care because an insurance company decided it was not profitable enough to cover him.
With health-care like this who needs terrorists? Al Qaeda would kill more Americans by funneling money to the American health-care industry than training terrorists to use explosive underpants
February 9th, 2010 at 1:07 pmThat child has the face of an angel, and the insurance company will happily see him dead — can’t miss those bazillion dollar bonuses.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:07 pmI’m glad l’il johnnie brought up torture. Gives me a chance to post this little nugget:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/02/08/2010-02-08_us_soldier_joshua_taber_waterboarded_his_daughter_4_because_she_couldnt_recite_a.html
I’m not going to ask him if he thinks this is okay, because I don’t hold conversations with sociopaths. Besides, I’m sure he’s okay with it.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:09 pmBig John is still feeling his racist pain after the Saints beat the Colts.
He’s not feeling quite so fresh and confident in his newly discovered white inferiority.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:10 pmKylersFather says:
Thank you for a very nice article.
While I can appreciate how many will consider this linked to the current health care debate, please understand, this isn’t about access to coverage. Kyler actually has 2 insurance plans that cover him.
As such it has very little to do with what is currently proposed in DC by either party. Perhaps at some point one of those parties will be willing to address this issue. Up to this point, however, those members of Congress that I have spoken with (from both parties) are unwilling to do so.
I hope stories like yours spur Washington to do something about this untenable situation we have in America. Best of luck to you and Kyler.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:10 pmI do believe that Big John said to “bring it on”, correct?
Apparently, we brought too much.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:11 pmI didn’t think even they would show up to defend people who are killing childern. This Republican is pure evil.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:14 pmMaybe. I suspect Big John, really isn’t and he’s at this very moment turning circles in his mother kitchen looking for his binky.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:14 pmBig John says:
Ok, now you’re messing with legal matters. Know what slander and libel means? Back off.
Big John is a big pussy whiner.
Nothing new here…
February 9th, 2010 at 1:14 pmjoeyramonesmom says:
I’m not going to ask him if he thinks this is okay, because I don’t hold conversations with sociopaths. Besides, I’m sure he’s okay with it.
Hey, that wimp just wished death on Kyler, supporting waterboarding on a 4 year old isn’t much of a leap.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:17 pmAre you wearing your swastika like the good little Nazi you are? Hitler would be proud of you.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:17 pmWhat are you going to do? Cry?
Jees, what a pussy.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:17 pmSo the right wing is so afraid that death panels would be used against grandma but they have not problem with the insurance companies using their death panels against children. Oh that’s right, children don’t vote.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:19 pmBig John says:
Back off.
http://www.ourchurch-graphics.com/member/r/royalkinggeteqh/Jeff3.jpg
P*ssy.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:20 pmSo Big Bad John is gonna sic his lawyer on us. Where’s all that strong shall survive crap now, limpdik?
February 9th, 2010 at 1:21 pmI don’t know if you are Kyler’s father or just one of our trolls trying to weaken the strength of this article. The point is Social Security doesn’t deny treatment like this and neither would a national health care policy for all. Only private insurers use these kinds of denials to increase profits.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:22 pmHelping billionaires = good. Helping the poor and sick = bad. Yep, that was totally the message of Jesus. Not even Paul of Tarsus was this much of an a**hole.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:23 pmPerhaps “Big John” will return as “Big Rita”? And, start all over again? If not him, some other. Sigh.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:23 pmBack to the drawing board, Olby Sucks.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:24 pmBRING IT ON!
February 9th, 2010 at 1:24 pmWhat an unattractive manchild. No wonder you’re so bitter.
http://www.ourchurch-graphics.com/member/r/royalkinggeteqh/Jeff3.jpg
February 9th, 2010 at 1:27 pmYes. Do you?
February 9th, 2010 at 1:29 pmEvery man, woman and child has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and I have absolutely no problem with my tax dollars going to support a system that treats everyone equally and humanely. But then again…I’m a sane, rational human being, not a conservative who only sees the bottom line aka $ over human life.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:29 pmKnow what slander and libel means?
Sure do. But you apparently don’t.
slander: Law. defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing, pictures, etc.
Nope. That doesn’t apply here.
libel: Law. a. defamation by written or printed words, pictures, or in any form other than by spoken words or gestures.
b. the act or crime of publishing it.
c. a formal written declaration or statement, as one containing the allegations of a plaintiff or the grounds of a charge.
Nope. That doesn’t apply either…unless you are claiming that posting a photograph of a man on a horse is somehow defaming you.
You clearly have no clue in hell what you’re talking about, and for someone who talks such a big game, you went into pussy-mode pretty damn quickly.
So please. Just shut up and fcuk off.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:35 pmBig John says:
I’m building me a mountain.
A mountain of sh!t, perhaps.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:38 pmBig John says:
I’m building me a mountain. That’s what Americans do.
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February 9th, 2010 at 1:39 pmI’m sure you’re smoking a mountain of something.
Big John while you build your Devil’s Tower of mashed potatoes I will continue to call you out as the pitiful fraud you are and there isn’t a damn thing you can do about it…
February 9th, 2010 at 1:41 pmRemember that these people are pro-life, unless it cost them a dime!!!!
February 9th, 2010 at 1:41 pmmakete says:
Remember that these people are pro-life, unless it cost them a dime!!!!
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February 9th, 2010 at 1:42 pmMore like a penny. And they’re pro-life up until the woman gives birth to the child, then the child is on his/her own.
I’m sure you’re smoking a mountain of something.
That is a straight-up insult to pot heads.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:43 pmA mountain of wet diapers.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:43 pmKyler Van Nocker is now, not only the face shining a light on the evils of our current so-called “health care” system, but he is now the face that shines the brightest light on the depraved hypocrisy of the GOP and the Christian-right who have been such willing shills for the insurance companies agenda of death for $’s.
I would add the he also shines a light on the lack of leadership by Democrats. I say let the GOP bastards stand on the floor of the Senate under the glare of spot lights and TV cameras and filibuster their hate and derision for average American’s and proclaim their compassion for insurance company death panels & blood profit at the expense of children like Kyle.
That is the only way to derail the inevitable Rupert Murdoch FOX noise spin that will come giving quarter to money grubbing political hypocrites and thugs.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:44 pmsmidget (presented by Blue Cross Blue Shield) says:
I’m sure you’re smoking a mountain of something.
That is a straight-up insult to pot heads.
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I apologize to anyone who tokes on TP.
Knowing Little John though…it’s probably a mountain of meth.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:45 pmKnowing Little John though…it’s probably a mountain of meth.
That’s fair. I often forget that you can smoke other things, because it’s so foolish to do so.
It wouldn’t surprise me if this particular troll had figured out a way to spark up Drain-o.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:48 pmsmidget (presented by Blue Cross Blue Shield) says:
Knowing Little John though…it’s probably a mountain of meth.
That’s fair. I often forget that you can smoke other things, because it’s so foolish to do so.
It wouldn’t surprise me if this particular troll had figured out a way to spark up Drain-o.
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February 9th, 2010 at 1:49 pmHaha…I bet the trolls have tried. They’re probably big fans of the “Drink Whatever Is Under The Kitchen Sink” game.
Tell us “Big John”? Do you drive a big honkin’ Hummer? Just asking?
February 9th, 2010 at 1:50 pmOr, is your big wheel made to look like a Hummer?
February 9th, 2010 at 1:51 pmcrickets
February 9th, 2010 at 1:58 pmNot in West Virginia. They destroy mountains there.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:58 pmJust a note: During my hospital stay I walked the halls as part of my breathing therapy, trailing my IV rack with my bubbling drainage tanks in a wheelchair in front of me.
The biggest sissies, moaning the loudest about how shitty life was treating them were big fat old white guys like Big John.
February 9th, 2010 at 1:59 pmWho is the person that could deny this treatment to this little boy?
Is it a board of people that sits around deciding the fate of this little boy or anyone else?
February 9th, 2010 at 1:59 pmwolfsinger says:
February 9th, 2010 at 2:00 pmcrickets
bizarrobrain (Sponsored by Tysons chicken in a tube!) @ 131 says:
wolfsinger says:
crickets
Thanks!
February 9th, 2010 at 2:01 pmNo, it’s just one person. It’s not even reviewed.
If it’s challenged it will be defended with a team of lawyers.
February 9th, 2010 at 2:02 pmRUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:
Just a note: During my hospital stay I walked the halls as part of my breathing therapy, trailing my IV rack with my bubbling drainage tanks in a wheelchair in front of me.
The biggest sissies, moaning the loudest about how shitty life was treating them were big fat old white guys like Big John.
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I’ve had a similar experience. Not with cancer though but with epilepsy. This guy comes in talking all sorts of shit and when it comes time for him to do what’s called a sleep test (they basically tape electrodes to your head and you sleep) he basically broke down and started whining.
Just to reiterate…this test is absolutely painless. And after talking all this shit, he broke down right in the hall.
February 9th, 2010 at 2:03 pmwolfsinger,
February 9th, 2010 at 2:04 pmNo prob :)
Big John says:
Bring it on, punk.
Um no, you’re the ones who hate the government that is in charge of the U.S. If you want a war, then you have to start it. Secede, revolt, whatever. It’s on you. Until then, the federal government (which you hate) remains in charge, as mandated by the U.S. Constitution (which you hate).
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Big John says:
I’m building me a mountain. That’s what Americans do.
WTF?
February 9th, 2010 at 2:06 pmRepubican says:
Heavy meds. That answers a couple questions….Hmmm.
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February 9th, 2010 at 2:11 pmBut it raises a few more like:
What are you trolls on?
Why don’t you up the dose?
Hmm…Big John has posted 7 times and all 7 are hidden from view because of their vote down totals which are at minimum -10 each…yet Repubican seems to think that by simply voting up one time as each poster is able to do that he has “brought them back.”
We had already determined that Repubican is poorly equipped to discuss economics, civics, and history…..are we not to assume that it is ignorant of basic mathetmatics as well?
February 9th, 2010 at 2:19 pmsmidget (presented by Blue Cross Blue Shield) says:
February 9th, 2010 at 2:26 pmWell they do watch Fox and the Fox pundits aren’t exactly intellectuals. Well maybe they are…if manipulating idiots via the TV screen is what passes for intellectualism these days.
What a complete bunch of juvenile pretender dorks. Woman must just mock the shit out of these nerds…
February 9th, 2010 at 2:27 pmdbadass says:
What a complete bunch of juvenile pretender dorks. Woman must just mock the shit out of these nerds…
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February 9th, 2010 at 2:29 pmI’d pepper spray them till the canister runs out. That is of course assuming that these dolts haven’t built an immunity to commercial grade pepper spray. Maybe women should start carrying bear mace in certain parts of the deep south.
Repubican says:
Big John, I just brought back a bunch of your posts that had been voted down.
You have brown schmutz on your nose…
February 9th, 2010 at 2:30 pmWhy is Olby Sucks talking to himself again?
February 9th, 2010 at 2:31 pmBig John says:
Thanks, they’re just a bunch of inbred, hillbilly pecker woods.
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February 9th, 2010 at 2:38 pmAww…ain’t that cute…the troll is projecting again. Go back to riding your cows, troll boy.
One would hope that there would be some few subjects that even the most vile of stupid trolls would just leave to the adult humans. Alas, the inhuman little beasts have no shame. I guess it’s just further proof that they are no longer members of the human race.
I had earlier coined the name homo moronicus for our stupid pets but I realize it falls a bit short in descriptive power. How about:
homo moronicus bastardi?
Shitstain fits too. I really hope that they all die destitute, alone, and after years of agonizing pain.
February 9th, 2010 at 2:39 pmYeah, this is most certainly PRO-LIFE.
Not.
February 9th, 2010 at 2:39 pmWow! I wish I could build a mountain.
Unfortunately, our Home Owners Association frowns on gigantic piles of manure on the front or back lawn.
February 9th, 2010 at 2:43 pmThanks, they’re just a bunch of inbred, hillbilly pecker woods. ralph’s the head pecker.
And you’re the sap-ling?
February 9th, 2010 at 2:44 pmpete,
Personally I hope they end up in the same situation that the victims of these diseases are in. Maybe that would shoot their egos down and they might learn a few things. Maybe I’m not being realistic but one can hope.
Either way their attitudes are sickening to say the least. They practically de-humanized this child.
February 9th, 2010 at 2:45 pmBig John says:
I’m building me a mountain. That’s what Americans do.
One fart at a time.
February 9th, 2010 at 2:53 pmBig John says:
inbred, hillbilly pecker woods
Hey, don’t go dissing the GOP’s only remaining demographic.
February 9th, 2010 at 3:11 pmRePUBEcan
Nice job of exposing your abject stupidity for us to laugh at and showing you are nothing but an ignorant, pile of dogshit and a worthless punkass troll. Go FCUK yourself
February 9th, 2010 at 3:21 pmRacistJohn
Yeah you are building a mountain alright a mountain of stupidity. An impenetrable wall of ignorance
February 9th, 2010 at 3:22 pmbizarrobrain,
Actually. I’ve found that I’m starting to dislike the people who run this site as much as the stupid trolls. If they aren’t going to moderate comments they should just disable them or find another line of work. The way I look at it, they own every vile comment they allow to stand. They might as well be posting the shit themselves.
February 9th, 2010 at 3:24 pmpete says:
bizarrobrain,
Actually. I’ve found that I’m starting to dislike the people who run this site as much as the stupid trolls. If they aren’t going to moderate comments they should just disable them or find another line of work. The way I look at it, they own every vile comment they allow to stand. They might as well be posting the shit themselves.
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February 9th, 2010 at 3:57 pmI agree. To make things worse…I sent three emails using the address you gave me and I was completely ignored…and I should have gotten a reply because I included both of my email addresses. It’s sad when a progressive site has shittier moderators than troll central.
bizzarobrain,
I’m sorry, but not terribly surprised, to hear that. It continues to be more apparent that TP likes it when a thread grows to several hundred comments even if most are pure shit.
February 9th, 2010 at 4:08 pmYou know, if your vision of ‘The strong live/the weak die’ includes offspring, then the species dies out within a generation.
February 9th, 2010 at 4:09 pmBig John says:
Common sense conservatism: Strong live/weak die.
Life’s tough liberals. Get use to it.
At last we have conservatism spelled out for us as plain as day.
February 9th, 2010 at 4:09 pmWhat’s preventing the parents from paying for treatment?
February 9th, 2010 at 4:10 pmLiberals are all for health care as long as someone else pays for it.
ConservaTROLL
And Conservatives are all for CHILDREN DYING if their parents arent rich enough for treatments that cost tens of thousands of dollars out of pocket. They have no souls and no brains
February 9th, 2010 at 4:14 pmconservative guy says:
What’s preventing the parents from paying for treatment?
Ah, and another conservative platitude laid at our feet.
Who pays for your treatment, cg?
February 9th, 2010 at 4:14 pmYeah, conman, those parents ought to whip out a couple of hundred grand from their … Oh. They don’t have a couple of hundred grand
What’s your checking account and routing number, conman, I know you want to do the right thing.
February 9th, 2010 at 4:16 pmWhat’s preventing the parents from paying for treatment?
Are you really this stupid?
1) The child has health insurance.
February 9th, 2010 at 4:16 pm2) Cancer treatments are expensive. Really expensive.
3) Fcuk off and die slowly, painfully, and alone you inhuman sack of monkey shit.
Okay, 162 and 163… coould be next week or next month it’s your kid or grandkid… what then?
At least half the crime here is what the procedure costs. Health care for profit….
February 9th, 2010 at 4:17 pmfINALLY… Scram, trolls… you are NOT taking over this website
February 9th, 2010 at 4:20 pmsusancarrie says:
Easy there, I was just pointing out “Big John”’s post from earlier (#33).
If it were my kid I have no idea what I’d do when faced with this kind of injustice and insanity.
February 9th, 2010 at 4:22 pmNow we know why the Republicans rolled out their spurious “death panel” charge regarding government-backed healthcare reform…to hide the fact that there already are death panels operating inside the United States in the health industry, for-profit health insurance companies.
February 9th, 2010 at 4:28 pmConservaTROLL
Thinks it is fine for parents to FIRST pay for health insurance THEN pay for the treatments to and let their child DIE if they cant do both. What a soulless cretin
February 9th, 2010 at 4:32 pmIt’s the whole system, where the end result, whether medical practice or research or whatever, has to be a profit, preferably a fat one, or the damned almighty stockholders will pitch a fit
February 9th, 2010 at 4:35 pmWas there some guarantee that this would be covered/paid for – or even available – 100% by a national healthcare service – ESPECIALLY if the FDA didn’t approve it yet?
February 9th, 2010 at 4:44 pmHow do all these PRO-LIFE Republicans feel about this?
Or are they going to prove yet again that they are only concerned about the fetus and the hell with your health and life after you are born????
February 9th, 2010 at 4:47 pmthe final paragraph should be tacked on to every article in the msm as a reminder to those worried about socialism.
February 9th, 2010 at 5:12 pmpete says:
bizzarobrain,
I’m sorry, but not terribly surprised, to hear that. It continues to be more apparent that TP likes it when a thread grows to several hundred comments even if most are pure shit.
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February 9th, 2010 at 5:13 pmI don’t understand why they won’t moderate the damn site. Am I missing something or is somebody getting some sort of rise out of the horrible shit the trolls submit? A progressive site should be rejecting regressive ideals…and this one fails miserably at doing so.
Where are the pro-lifers? Why aren’t they protesting in the street? How come Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann are screeching on TV about this threat to the life of this young boy? Oh, that’s right. They only care about unborn fetuses. Once oxygen enters the lungs, they no longer care.
February 9th, 2010 at 5:13 pmFred ♪♫♪ says:
LibertyLover says:
Is it a board of people that sits around deciding the fate of this little boy or anyone else?
No, it’s just one person. It’s not even reviewed.
If it’s challenged it will be defended with a team of lawyers.
February 9th, 2010 at 5:14 pm——
How does this person sleep at night?
Pro-life Republicans, I guess
February 9th, 2010 at 5:36 pmbizzarobrain,
It’s all about “relevance”, I’m afraid. In the blogging world, hit counts and the number of posts are all that matter. If they get 600 comments on a thread the “blog rules” say that’s “better” than a thread with 60 comments. It doesn’t seem to matter that the big thread still only has 60 relevant posts and 540 that are pure horseshit.
February 9th, 2010 at 6:13 pmthe management of this company as well as its board should be immediatly charged with conspiracy to commit murder.
watch how fast this nonsense stops.
February 9th, 2010 at 8:53 pmconservative guy says:
What’s preventing the parents from paying for treatment?
You honestly believe they have the money but are going to let their child die to save themselves some cash? You know, that actually explains a lot about the right wing mindset.
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pete says:
It’s all about “relevance”, I’m afraid. In the blogging world, hit counts and the number of posts are all that matter. If they get 600 comments on a thread the “blog rules” say that’s “better” than a thread with 60 comments. It doesn’t seem to matter that the big thread still only has 60 relevant posts and 540 that are pure horseshit.
Makes you wonder about the identities of certain of our trolls…
February 9th, 2010 at 8:56 pmEl Bruce,
I like to think good things about people but, I wouldn’t be shocked if some of the trolls, whether it’s duplicitous or complicit, have the wholehearted backing of the staff at TP. I hope that growing suspicion is wrong but the facts would seem to support it.
February 9th, 2010 at 10:38 pmconservative guy says:
What’s preventing the parents from paying for treatment?
Liberals are all for health care as long as someone else pays for it.
You’re even dumber than your name suggests…We want a single-PAYER system where everyone pays in to a single entity and that single entity as the government pays from a single fund instead of having to go through all those health insurance companies that chip and chip away from our premiums to pay their CEOs and their executives and the lobbying…It seems conservatives love bureaucracy as long as it’s the health insurers making profit and denying care, but heaven forbid a single-payer system where administrative costs go down significantly…
I forgot…Conservatives are all for health care as long as the profits of the health insurance companies aren’t threatened…
February 10th, 2010 at 1:51 amwildweasel
A reasonable question. It would depend on the language of the specific policy. It IS the treatment the Dr advises. It IS considered the treatment that has the best chance to save his life so it SHOULD be covered. The Insurance companies should stop getting away with using tricks to avoid their responsibilities they are selling INSURANCE. Health Insurance. They should HAVE to cover what is advised by the DR. They should also not get away with recission. You DO make a reasonable argument though
February 10th, 2010 at 1:51 amThis very thing happened to a little girl in mt God daughter’s Girl Scout troop last August. We all threw a fit along with the community and she got the treatment. Here is the story:
Family battles insurance denial to save daughter
By Susan Gordanier, The Hillsboro Argus
August 05, 2009, 11:37AM
Parents can’t be faulted for wanting the best possible future for their children.
Kathy and Glen Foster, of Cornelius, have different concerns for their daughter Lesly than worrying about the future cost of college or whether she might play soccer rather than continue violin lessons in the fall. For the Fosters, the future is measured day-by-day or, at most, in weeks.
Lesly’s life may depend on her receiving chemotherapy or participating in a clinical trial for other treatment. But before either can occur she needs to “bank” a supply of her own stem cells because future treatments would likely destroy her bone marrow’s capacity to manufacture more.
Providence Heath Plans, the family’s health insurance provider, has denied authorization for the stem cell harvesting.
Lesly, age 9, is experiencing her third relapse of the rare cancer that has likely plagued her since birth. She was diagnosed with stage four neuroblastoma four years ago. This is a cancer that affects the very young and is rarely found in children over 10 years of age.
According to the American Cancer Society, initial mutating cells form before birth, very early in the development of nerve cells in an embryo or fetus. Neuroblastoma often manifests from the adrenal glands, located above the kidneys, then spreads.
Kathy Foster can list every treatment her daughter has received to this point. Lesly has had many, many rounds of chemotherapy with varying drugs and combinations of drugs, dozens of doses of radiation. Her left kidney was removed in 2005. They are now fighting to halt tumors that have shown up behind her remaining right kidney, in her lungs and the site of the now-missing kidney.
Lesly’s last chemo treatment was May 26, Kathy says, and the child’s bone marrow is not strong enough to withstand additional doses without being destroyed. This is why the family is so desperate to gain Providence’s OK to go ahead with a stem cell harvest. With a supply in stock for later restoration to her body, Lesly could return to treatment.
“Lesly is going on her eighth week without chemo. Her platelets have not recuperated yet. Every day she goes without chemo is a chance for that thing (the tumor) to grow,” Kathy says.
Providence had already approved this same procedure once before. It was part of the course of treatment Lesly had in 2005. Admittedly the Fosters do not yet know what Lesly’s treatment regimen this time might be. It could range from another course of chemotherapy to full-body, high-dosage radiation — a procedure that Providence considers “experimental,” the Fosters say.
Kathy says any treatment for such a rare, as yet incurable cancer is experimental, taking the form of clinical trials rather than a standard accepted method of treatment.
“Isn’t all medicine experimental, to find out what will fix each person?” Glen asks.
Lesly has a strong track record of overcoming hardships. The Fosters adopted her from Guatemala in 2004 when she was almost 4 years old. Because of the treatments she’s undergone, Lesly has had to spend much time isolated from other children. Chemotherapy compromises the immune system. That means she’s spent much of her time in the company of adults, especially her father, a glass artist, who works from a home studio. This has given Lesly a poise around adults unusual for one so young.
“She has beaten the odds several times,” Kathy says. “She’s a tough kid.
Providence Health Plans was contacted Monday and asked to comment about the Foster family’s situation. They were, however, unable to respond before press time.
February 10th, 2010 at 2:28 amhttp://blog.oregonlive.com/hillsboroargus/2009/08/family_battles_insurance_denia.html
pete says:
bizzarobrain,
It’s all about “relevance”, I’m afraid. In the blogging world, hit counts and the number of posts are all that matter. If they get 600 comments on a thread the “blog rules” say that’s “better” than a thread with 60 comments. It doesn’t seem to matter that the big thread still only has 60 relevant posts and 540 that are pure horseshit.
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February 10th, 2010 at 2:56 amSo quantity over quality basically? It just seems like such a BS reason for not moderating the site.
Look at all the “wanna-be” brown shirts behaving just like the thuggish followers of Kenyata Teleprompter that we know them to be.
Can’t handle open debate? No problem, just vote down the voices of dissent & then proceed to use terms that, if used against them, they would howl to the heavens in complaint.
Hitler’s national Socialist party has found its true inheritors, today’s liberal/progressive clique.
No person has the “right” to medical care that they cannot afford (either by cash, or prudently purchased insurance coverage). There is no right to steal the money from the pockets of others, to allow lazy, malingering parasites to live without producing/participating.
If you cannot cope with the simple facts of survival in a capitalist country, please, the queue for the North Korea, Cuba, and Venezuela Socialist/Communist express forms to the left — leave, you won’t be missed.
February 10th, 2010 at 5:57 amLet’s face it, we’re in a fascist dictatorship, with the two parties fronting this kabuki theater mockery of a democracy. If democracy was alive and well in the United States then things like the suffering and ultimate untimely death of kids would not be left up to the whims of the true “Death Panels”, the health insurance companies.
February 10th, 2010 at 9:06 amJust another example of what the Party of “No” would like to keep in place. More profit for the big businesses and keep the lobbyist happy who gave to republican’s campaign. Why can’t we pass a public option with the healthcare bill? Are you listening Joe Lieberman?
February 10th, 2010 at 10:39 amEvery man, woman and child has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and I have absolutely no problem with my tax dollars going to support a system that treats everyone equally and humanely. But then again…I’m a sane, rational human being, not a conservative who only sees the bottom line aka $ over human life.
February 14th, 2010 at 7:00 am