Conservative Activists Rebel Against Fox News: Saudi Ownership Is ‘Really Dangerous For America’
Conservative Activists Rebel Against Fox News: Saudi Ownership Is ‘Really Dangerous For America’
Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal owns a 7 percent stake in News Corp — the parent company of Fox News — making him the largest shareholder outside the family of News Corp CEO Rupert Murdoch. Alwaleed has grown close with the Murdoch enterprise, recently endorsing James Murdoch to succeed his father and creating a content-sharing agreement with Fox News for his own media conglomerate, Rotana.
Last weekend, at the right-wing Constitutional Coalition’s annual conference in St. Louis, Joseph Farah, publisher of the far right WorldNetDaily, blasted Fox News for its relationship with Alwaleed. Farah noted correctly that Alwaleed had boasted in the past about forcing Fox News to change its content relating to its coverage of riots in Paris, and warned that such foreign ownership of American media is “really dangerous.” ThinkProgress was at the speech and observed attendees of the conference murmuring and shaking their heads in disapproval:
FARAH: There’s a flaw, a real compromise in Fox that you need to understand. And if you care about national security, you especially need to be attentive to it. And that is that Fox News parent company is News Corp has a significant ownership by a Saudi prince that many of you will be familiar with because right after 9/11 this prince very famously offered Rudolph Giuliani a big multi-million dollar check to rebuild and Giuliani told him to stick the check where the sun don’t shine because this guy was basically blaming America for what happened on 9/11. Well this guy owns a very significant percentage of the News Corp and has let the world know that he can get things taken off Fox News when he finds them objectionable and has in the past. And I really believe this is really dangerous for America.
Listen here:
ThinkProgess spoke to right-wing author Brigitte Gabriel, another speaker at the conference, who said that Alwaleed was recently interviewed by Fox News’ Neil Cavuto. Gabriel angrily denounced the interview as a “darling high school reunion”: “All of the sudden, Neil Cavuto is interviewing him like a buddy-buddy because he is the boss.” Indeed, in the “rare” interview Alwaleed gave last month, he reaffirmed his “alliance” with the Murdoch family and told Cavuto why he has a personal stake in influencing American politics:
– On continuing America’s dependence on fossil fuels, Saudia Arabian oil: “Saudi Arabia’s strategic alliance with the United States will continue and as a derivative of that, the link with the oil between oil and dollars is there. The bulk of our GDP, the bulk of budget comes from oil and oil is still a dollar based commodity.” As Media Matters has documented, Fox News is a reliable source of misinformation on clean energy, and has aggressively attacked efforts to move America away from a fossil fuel dependent economy.
– On opposing financial reforms, bank responsibility fee: “In a way I’m conflicted because I’m invested in Citigroup but at the more global picture, I’m a big supporter of the United States. I believe taxing the banks right now is not the right thing at all. It’s like you have a patient coming out of an ICU.” Alwaleed owns a $4.3 billion dollars stake in Citigroup, a massive bank that spent millions lobbying against financial reform last year.
With the Citizens United Supreme Court decision essentially freeing corporations to spend unlimited amounts in campaigns, theoretically Alwaleed can pressure the American corporations he owns stock in to spend millions — or even billions — of dollars attacking candidates he opposes. In addition to his powerful Fox News outlet, Alwaleed and other foreign investors have potentially unprecedented power to impact American elections.
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Just wait until the madrasas hook up with the sunday schools.
You ain’t seen nuttin’ yet.
February 10th, 2010 at 9:39 amAccording to George W. Bush, the favorite younger “bro” of Jesus Christ, the Saudis are our great friends, and they are the most important ally in the great and illustrious Global War on Terror.
Aren’t all the little teabaggers supposed to initiate full orgasm mode whenever the holy name of Bush is mentioned?
February 10th, 2010 at 9:41 amNot to worry. There will be plenty of trolls around to put this information in the Right context for themselves. People who have been paying attention will not be surprised at all.
February 10th, 2010 at 9:44 amAnd there you have it in black and white: Fox News is Un-American, and potentially traitorous.
February 10th, 2010 at 9:44 amOoooh! we need to get this out to FOX viewers. You know how they hate the A-rabs. They won’t stand for this.
February 10th, 2010 at 9:46 amLee, don’t you guys proofread before you post your articles?
February 10th, 2010 at 9:46 amThe Saudis had better start watching Fox and keeping an eye on their investment, because that network is angling to kill all Muslims and invade their country any second.
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog
February 10th, 2010 at 9:46 amI wouldn’t be surprised if Al-waleed supports the imprisonment and lashing of this hapless Saud airline employee, who has been sentenced to five years imprisonment and 1000 lashes for bragging about his sexual exploits before his marriage:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/10/mazen-abdul-jawad-saudi-s_n_455812.html
Saudi Arabia and its loyal citizenry are fully committed to religious idiocy and fundamentalist horseshit, and they certainly have already found an American beachhead in FoxNews.
Eat it up, holy rollers.
Be careful what you pray for – you might get it, but not quite the way you had hoped.
February 10th, 2010 at 9:49 amDid anyone ask him why it was Saudis that planned & executed 9/11?
How about the plane full of Saudis that were allowed to leave NYC when all other flights were grounded?
This Fossil Fuel Fakir has a vested interest in controlling the message.
I’d like to know more about his share of Citigroup. You know, the ‘too big to fail’ financial behemoth that buys Federal Reserve Board funny money at 0% interest and then secures Treasury bonds at a minimum of 2% return.
The Fed was created by Congress. It’s unconstitutional. It has never explained, even after Congressional requests, where $12 Trillion dollars went.
Fox News is just another diversion, folks. If they keep our eyes off the ball, the right questions will never be asked or answered.
Mr. Podesta, how about Think Progress cease running stories about Hannity & Palin and cover some REAL news?
February 10th, 2010 at 9:49 amAny republicans want to say that forign nationals can’t finance campaigns in America?
Where are you American Nationalists?
Will you just sweep this under the rug?
February 10th, 2010 at 9:50 amWe’re talking about the foreign-born Rupert Murdoch, who only became an American citizen for to satisfy his thirst for power and profit through US TV media ownership.
February 10th, 2010 at 9:51 amThe Saudi royalty will soon be picking American presidents and congress critters.
February 10th, 2010 at 9:52 amFred ♪♫♪ says:
With the Citizens United Supreme Court decision essentially freeing corporations to spend unlimited amounts in campaigns, theoretically Alwaleed can pressure the American corporations he owns stock in to spend millions — or even billions — of dollars attacking candidates he opposes.
Any republicans want to say that forign nationals can’t finance campaigns in America?
Where are you American Nationalists?
Will you just sweep this under the rug?
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But…but…but…this foreigner supports Fox News. sarc/
Good morning everyone. :)
February 10th, 2010 at 9:53 amAww yes I can see there slogan now
Saudi fox news fail and balanced were the jihadies go to get there news.
it`s going to be a rude awaking for the cult trolls went they find out they have been used. I myself will give them no pity>
February 10th, 2010 at 9:54 amFOX is really dangerous for America, regardless of its ownership. Its whole mission is really dangerous for America as the great Democracy it was intended to be.
February 10th, 2010 at 9:55 amSaudi Arabia does not have universal health care, nor does it recognize same-sex marriage.
Saudi Arabia does not allow gays to serve openly in its military, and it actively pursues the destruction of the lives of gays.
Saudi Arabia allows nutty religion to run rampant and reckless, with no accountability for its monstrous behavior.
Saudi Arabia actively discourages any knowledge of literature, the arts and humanities.
Saudi Arabia does not accept even the teaching of the Theory of Evolution.
How much of this sounds familiar within our own cultural context?
How much longer before our nation will morph into an obscenity like Saudi Arabia?
February 10th, 2010 at 9:57 amIt’s really funny this story comes out this morning. Last night I stayed up late watching the movie Network on Turner. The Howard Beale character did a rant against a Saudi takeover of the fictional UBS network, that got him in trouble with his bosses.
February 10th, 2010 at 9:57 amIs Joseph Farah the next Howard Beale?
What I really want to hear from these megapatriots is more stuff about how the big bad gubmint is out to take over everything and how we should trust the brilliant and altruistic leaders of commerce because capitalism will save us all.
More like buy us all and the way they are going the price is dropping daily.
February 10th, 2010 at 9:58 amThis should be fully exploited; I want an opinion from all the ‘real’ Americans and those in Congress who themselves and at least 90% of their constituents who celebrate FOX’s drivel & opinion.
The spin on this is going to make people dizzy…
February 10th, 2010 at 9:59 amNo trolls will join this discussion.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:01 amMaybe Glenn Beck will do one of his chalkboard explanations and show everyone the connections.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:02 amWhen will the ladies at FoxNews start wearing the veil?
February 10th, 2010 at 10:02 amFox news pushes bombing Iran back to the stone age.
Iran is the worlds 4th largest oil producer, behind Saudi Arabia, Russia, and the United States, in that order.
Could someone be looking to get rid of the competition?
February 10th, 2010 at 10:02 amI expect Faust News viewers to begin justifying their “patriotic” conversion to Islam.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:03 amIt was Republican President George W. Bush who also sought to hand over our unguarded ports to Saudi princes and magnates.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:03 amThese guys are not fit to govern; they’re dangerous for America.
Simply proves that the right-whiners really DON’T believe in the “free market system.”
February 10th, 2010 at 10:03 amThat’s a frightening observation. Nauseating, actually.
:-X
February 10th, 2010 at 10:04 amDr. Frankenstein… meet yer ‘Monster’…
Tee hee…
Popcorn… popcorn… gotta get me some popcorn…
And wait till ALL the fundies figure out Rupert is one of the world’s leading purveyors of PORN…
February 10th, 2010 at 10:05 amThis is scarier than Al Queda. They take us over legally with the Supreme Court and Wall Street in their back pocket.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:05 amWho has to invade the U.S. when you can buy it?
February 10th, 2010 at 10:05 amWell, of course the Saudi’s are controlling the global climate change scam message on faux news! The rest of the world is taking the whole global warming thing seriously and they’re creating an entirely new green energy based economy, leaving the US in the dust. We’re going to be the Saudi’s only customer left for their filthy black gold. The Saudi’s are desperate to keep us hooked on their product.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:06 amHow much longer before our nation will morph into an obscenity like Saudi Arabia?
It already has.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:06 amIran is also one of the largest, non-Arab Muslim nations that is experiencing massive political unrest from a younger, more secular oriented citizenry. Diverting negative attention towards them would make them even less of a possible ally and source of oil should the US (or any other western nation) get tired of dealing with the theocrats in SA.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:06 amMisspelling – meant Al Qaeda
February 10th, 2010 at 10:08 amRepiggies are all too eager to turn over public funds and properties to international scum, weirdos and criminals, all in the name of “privitization,” pocketing immensely generous commissions for themselves in the process.
Saudi emigres the world over are already pushing for local laws in Europe, Africa and in North America to prohibit the defaming of Islam, advocating harsh physical penalties for the “offenders.”
February 10th, 2010 at 10:08 amBriseadh na Faire says:
It needed to be fixed… sadly, I’m afraid that ship has already
February 10th, 2010 at 10:08 amsailedsunk.Awaleed is wealthy. Republicans worship the wealthy.
Republicans worship Alwaleed.
They will do as they are told.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:13 amThis is what they want, is it not? Big corporations and keeping News Corp well funded?
When he’s helping their cause by pumping huge $$$ into candidates they want…I’m sure they will get “selective amnesia” fairly quickly
February 10th, 2010 at 10:13 amSo the scales fall from their eyes and `lo the Dupes of the Republican party glimpse the corruption of their masters. At least until their eyes hood over once again with hatred for liberals, non-whites, environmentalists, gays, Democrats and the majority of Americans.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:15 amevangenital,
Saudi Arabia prescribes harsh punishments, including amputations of limbs for certain crimes such as: murder, robbery, rape, drug smuggling, adultery and homosexual activity. Sometimes flogging is a punishment for drunkenness.
Do you really want a country that enforces such vile stuff ruling or at least influencing the US? I sure as hell don’t.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:17 amAre these regressives finally starting to get it? It’s understandable that it is taking so long for them to understand that it is and always was about corporate profits. Their ability to fully comprehend is retarded.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:18 amSaudi Arabia has already been hard at work, pushing for an ordinance at the UN
to outlaw the defamation of Islam worldwide.
Strange, but true…
Will FoxNews soon be championing that initiative?
February 10th, 2010 at 10:19 am@9. Zimzone is right. Fifteen of the 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudi, and bin Laden grew up there. The Bushes are close to the Saudi royal family. And this minority stakeholder is interfering with “fair and balanced” coverage. Gives a whole new perspective on Faux Noise. It’s too much to hope for: trouble in Faux Noise paradise.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:21 amParticipation on this thread would be enough to qualify for arrest and decapitation under Saudi sharia law.
Will FoxNews begin to be nuanced a bit here and a bit there to be a little more okay with this sort of thing outside Saudi Arabia?
February 10th, 2010 at 10:21 amWant to know the number one reason America need to wean itself off oil and find green alternatives?
February 10th, 2010 at 10:22 amFat cats like the prince in the photo above, sitting on the throne of his 400 million dollarDouble check your work. A380 flyong palace.
That is you gas money that keeps him living that lifestyle and Fox News is working hard to keep America dependent on foreign oil
If you currently have FoxNews as a non-removable part of your cable television package, please drop cable television.
No progressive should support FoxNews, even with a nickel per month.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:22 amevangenital,
I wouldn’t be shocked if they did start calling to push something like that. Saudi Arabia has many humanitarian issues and their officials are pissed that the UN has been bothering about their history of torture and treatment of its people. Fox and its viewers have a history of hating the UN.
So I really wouldn’t be shocked.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:23 amCall me cynical, but I doubt that this will go anywhere. There have always been a few conservatives willing to complain about issues like this, but the vast majority of Right Wingers won’t hear about it, or give a toot if they do hear. As long as Hannity and the rest of the twits tell the Wingnuts that everything is OK, that “look at the dangerous Negro!” and that socialists are coming to take their pickup trucks, a few Saudi dollars won’t faze them at all.
“If we anger the Saudis, they’ll take their gasoline and go home, and then how will you drive to WalMart?”
February 10th, 2010 at 10:23 amWe should all get up out of our chairs, go to our local Western Union office and send a million telegrams to the White House to tell him “Stop the Arabs buying Fox News!” We’re as mad as hell and we’re not going to take this anymore! Billo is meddling with the primal forces of nature and Billo..WILL..ATONE! Am I getting through to you, Mr. O’Reilly?
February 10th, 2010 at 10:24 amBut, but, but, Alito said it isn’t so?
February 10th, 2010 at 10:25 amI’m all for the effort but telegrams?
February 10th, 2010 at 10:26 amI wouldn’t say it’s dangerous for America, but it’s certainly dangerous for racists’ favorite TV channel.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:27 amTeabagging hicks have no shame. They worship a news corporation owned by a foreigner. More proof that the reich-wing have zero values and hate America.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:28 amWell guessing we should be seeing a lot of “real Americans” waking up to the fact they are not even close to being real or american.
even the trolls should be able to pick up on the fact they are dopes and been used and had by the rich who so cares for them the trolls.
but once again I will have no pity for them.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:29 amTP please keep after this one! There’s very little that wingers and trolls can come up with to spin the growing Saudi control of the media and back door control of pols. This can be and will be a hot button issue that can’t be dropped. (And I know you won’t!) Thanks!
February 10th, 2010 at 10:30 amLittle repiggie trolls are wracking their little brains, trying to come up with some sort of rationalization for this alliance between St. Rupert Murdoch and the devil Saudis.
Farah and his kaffee klatsch at WND have really been of no help to the little dears.
What’s a little repiggie troll to do?
February 10th, 2010 at 10:32 amThe Saudis are a feudal monarchy utilizing religion as a means of controlling their society. For decades they have been using the blackmail of oil to stay under all radars in order to maintain their playground. The possibility of the world going green and weaning itself from oil scares the crap out of them because without oil, Saudi Arabia goes back to being a giant sandbox with little to nothing to offer the world.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:35 amI’d like to see the Fossil Fuel Fakir asked why the Saudis insisted the US pull all military out of their Country.
If they’re ’so interested’ in being media moguls why aren’t they displaying the same enthusiasm for ‘Freedumb on the March’?
The ONLY resource they have is oil. We’re fighting two wars in the name of oil. Americans are paying a very dear price for the need to drive to Walmart.
Next, Saudi Arabia will claim ownership of the Green movement.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:38 am@46 evangenital says:
If you currently have FoxNews as a non-removable part of your cable television package, please drop cable television.
No progressive should support FoxNews, even with a nickel per month.
Good point. We have the very limited package of local stations & c-span (and religious, foreign language and home shopping channels,) and we get along very well without access to any of the cable “news” channels. Anything noteworthy gets exposure on the web and radio.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:40 amThe wealth of our nation is being sucked dry to pay for these foreign wars and military adventures, solely at the behest of the defense and armaments corporations in their pursuit of fantastic wealth.
The Chinese are wildly investing in green technology, employing American and European scientists to finesse innovations in this field.
The Chinese and the Europeans will soon own all the patents for green energy technologies and stem cell therapies, while our nation is bled dry to fund idiotic wars.
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Kenneth says:
When it comes to the truth, Glenn Beck will be the first one to spin
exposeit to the world.Fixed that for you.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:48 amDr. Hunt, are you a total retard?
February 10th, 2010 at 10:48 amKenneth and drhunt = TP’s Saudi apologists are here.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:48 amKenneth seems to be perfectly fine with the Saudi influence at FoxNews.
Kenneth, why are you so consistently such an imbecile?
February 10th, 2010 at 10:49 amdr – Obama is an American born in the United States. Jeffrey Immelt is an American born in the United States. The Saudi Prince is neither. I don’t see the connection. Your logic is retarded and backwards.
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Don’t play thier game, make the trolls talk about forign money getting into American politics through faux “nuz”
Are they America haters? I think they are.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:51 amAll Hunt can do is prattle about more Obama horseshit, and Kenneth is Becksturbaing.
Do these clowns have any intelligent thoughts at any time?
February 10th, 2010 at 10:51 amKenneth says:
When it comes to the truth, Glenn Beck will be the first one to expose it to the world.
So you support, and I assume admire, Beck? That must mean you support, and I assume admire, the Saudis?
Why do you hate America?
February 10th, 2010 at 10:51 amevangenital says:
Do these clowns have any intelligent thoughts at any time?
No.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:51 amThere are retards, and then there is Kenneth.
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Kenneth says:
evangenital says:
If you currently have FoxNews as a non-removable part of your cable television package, please drop cable television.
No progressive should support FoxNews, even with a nickel per month.
Afraid of the TRUTH?
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February 10th, 2010 at 10:53 amNope. Glenn Beck doesn’t tell the truth. The only difference between him and some dude mumbling on a corner is that Beck has a camera in front of him.
The repiggie scum trolls are here, bobbing and weaving, and flinging GOPshite, all in an attempt to ignore the goings-on at FoxNews.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:53 amWhat kind of benidict arnold would defend this?
the so called “dr” hunt and of course the other nazi, kenneth.
Do you trolls have anything to say that is on topic?
You know, the danger of forign money influencing American politics?
February 10th, 2010 at 10:53 amI read this a while ago, but it was never mentioned in the msm; maybe after today, it will get more coverage.
How will the teabaggers ever stand for this?
How will Fox defend this?
We already know that Fox is un-American in the way it distorts the news from politics to the environment in order to satisfy their owners and their vacuous viewers; now there is this information that it is owned in part by an A-rab
February 10th, 2010 at 10:53 amand he is the guy made famous in 2001 when Giuliani turned down the guy’s check.
Look at the photo again.
Reminds me of Xerxes in ‘The 300′.
America was founded on the ideal of rejecting Monarchies.
There he sits on his golden throne, digital TV on the right & most likely a SATphone on the left. Two men standing at attention to cater to his every whim.
Corporatism is NOT what our Nation was founded upon. News Corps embraces Monarchies, Corporatism and message control. Fox News is just the mouthpiece.
Don’t fall for the Houdini diversion.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:54 amFred ♪♫♪ says:
What kind of benidict arnold would defend this?
Only teabaggers, conservatards and republiscum.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:55 amFred – The trolls are un-American as proved by their comments that support foreign corporations that influence our government policies thereby taking away our freedoms.
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Kenneth says:
I would be more concerned with China owning the United States.
Don’t worry, dummy. That’s coming too.
Putz.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:56 ambut Obama didn’t make it possible for Vivendi to purchase American politicians.
You did. Take ownership troll.
February 10th, 2010 at 10:56 amHunt and Kenneth’s intelligence is retarded by watching TOO MUCH Fox Opinion Network and by listening to the head of the Regressive Party, Rush Limbaugh.
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As the Becksturbator famously pointed out on his magic blackboard…
There is no ‘I’ in Liberty.
/SNL/2-6-10
February 10th, 2010 at 11:00 amApparently even smart republicans think so. Also from the article he makes it pretty clear that he intends to influence American politics:
Do you have like a permanent L on your forhead?
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They own it because you on the right failed at economics 101
February 10th, 2010 at 11:02 amThere seem to be a lot of repiggie turds floating in the toilet today.
It’s time to flush that shit out of here.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:02 amShould Fox News register with the State Department as a foreign agent–an agent of Saudi Arabia?
And Vivendi also (or at least used to) financially back Valve Corporation which made the Half-Life games and you don’t see me attacking stuff with a crow bar. Maybe they’re not doing their job.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:02 amNo it doesn’t and you saying it does just makes you look ignorant.
Why do you allow forigners to buy our politicians?
Why are you a traitor?
Don’t blame this on others, it’s your’s. You own it.
Just another epic fail of the right wing.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:03 amAs for foreign companies — Sen. Shelby held up 73 nominees because he wants a tanker operation for his state, owned by EADS (French and German) instead of the US owned, Boeing.
There are plenty of examples of foreign countries interacting with the US, and vice-versa, but when a Senator obstructs our own government in favor of a foreign entity, or when a foreign owner of a TV channel, whose motives are rightly under suspicion, can influence which stories and how they are presented to viewers, and have it all OK’d by the SCOTUS, we are on the road to perdition.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:04 amKenneth says:
Answer: YES! BBrain is Afraid of the Truth. With Progressives being exposed, the truth hurts.
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February 10th, 2010 at 11:04 amIf Glenn Beck ever tells the truth I will know that we’re living in the Twilight Zone. But you keep lying for Beck Kennie.
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I never hear liberals saying the end justifies the means, but I sure do see it in action every day by repugsniscum.
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Okay, so Kenneth is playing the dumb one, then there’s armband as the militant over the top type guy, jwest is jwest, and the dr is just playing w/ itself.
do I have this right?
February 10th, 2010 at 11:10 amarmand seems to have become completely dulsional.
They must have had a pep rally at troll central and they put hot wires up all their butts to get them all charged up.
If you will just say any stupid thing that you know is untrue, you have to be a right wing troll with a hot wire up your ass.
I bet their electricity bill is really high.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:11 amhttp://journals.democraticunderground.com/Hissyspit/7533
Aarrghh! Where is the TF thread?
Rachel laid it all out last night on repug hypocrisy. Hope this link works.
The liars, opportunists and obstructionists must be called out and she does a fine job of it.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:12 amnot really, fred… they like to keep ‘em in the dark over at troll central.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:12 amANY end justifies the means to rid this country of Progressives. It’s a Alinsky thing.
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Actually it’s a Machiavellian thing. And what’s really funny is back in the day Machiavellianism was seen as a foreign virus infecting English politics, originating in Italy, and having already infected France.
In a modern context Machiavellianism is also a term that some social and personality psychologists use to describe a person’s tendency to deceive and manipulate others for personal gain.
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*drink*
– WHA –? And they really think we’re the fascists?
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Isn’t it sweet how the trollies travel in groups these days?
February 10th, 2010 at 11:17 amAfraid of the TRUTH?
No, but I have no need to voluntarily let the lying liars catapult their propaganda into my living room or consciousness.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:18 amHoodathunk(sponsored by Scroomall Health Corp) says:
Isn’t it sweet how the trollies travel in groups these days?
Either they feel safer that way, or they’re really just sockpuppets.
The aggregate IQ is way into double digits.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:18 amIdn’t this cute. This is the people who just failed America in the biggest way since the Great depression in the 20’s.
These are arguably, the biggest failures in the history of the world.
Yet they disparage those who attempt to fix thier mess.
At the same time they defend selling America out to forign coutries.
Traitor is the only word that comes to mind. I think an insect name would be too good for them.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:19 amWhat we have here is a version of a prairie dog roundup. The trolls flung a bunch of squirrels out and now they are chasing them around. And the squirrels are winning.
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Kenneth says:
You own it now! You fix it! The ball is in Obama’s court. Demorats are in charge of everything and can’t fix the kitchen sink let alone the US economy.
This was the GOP strategy for the last few years: “We can screw things up completely (because that’s what we do) and stick the Democrats with the cleanup. Then we can criticize the Democrats because they can’t do it overnight.”
Thanks for acknowledging the strategy, Kenny.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:22 amNo honey, it’s the republican recession. Everyone knows that.
Even those of you who try to deny it know it. History will call it the republican recession.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:23 amarmand must be the hot shit leader of the trolls. He carries the saudi flag on his toyota.
Says a lot of 3rd grade shit like, roaches, spew, fascist progressives and other stupid shit that doesn’t make sense.
Nothing like a traitor with a 3rd grade education, eh?
February 10th, 2010 at 11:24 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
It’s about time this old news got some coverage.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:26 amAl-waleed, who is a member of the Saudi Royal Family and investor in the Fox News parent company News Corporation, gave an interview boasting that he had called Fox to complain about coverage of the “Muslim riots” in France. He said he “called as a viewer” and “convinced them to change” the coverage because “they were not Muslim riots but riots against poverty and inequality.” And “they changed” the coverage, the Saudi reportedly said. Another report on the comments, carried by the Dubai-based newspaper the Khaleej Times, says that Al-waleed personally called Rupert Murdoch to complain. The Saudi said, “After a short while, there was a change” in the coverage. An AIM call to Fox News asking for comment was not returned.
This is from an Accuracy In Media release in 2005.
http://www.aim.org/press-release/saudi-billionaire-boasts-of-manipulating-fox-news-coverage/
that and a permanent drool.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:27 amdrhunt reminds me of an old cartoon where a couple of scientists in lab coats are standing in front of a giant blackboard with all sorts of equations covering it. Except for one area in the middle where it says…and this where the miracle happens…
February 10th, 2010 at 11:27 amI call em’ as I see em”.
To bad your blind.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:27 amRepublican fiscal policy and deregulation.
It’s in all the papers.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:30 amI think it’s funny that the people who failed and can’t deny it actually think that they will regain power in the next 30 or 40 years.
It makes me smile.
Especially when I see what is happening with the teapot party and the republicans.
It’s a pretty delightful sight to see such justice.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:31 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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armand says:
C’mon, vote my posts down. It’s a badge of honor that I wear proudly.
Progressive free speech. Ya right. Hide what you are afraid of.
We don’t vote you and your ilk down because we’re afraid – we vote you down because you are all morons.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:33 amThe biggest question is: why do all you trolls and teabaggers and republiscum and conservatards hate America?
Why?
February 10th, 2010 at 11:33 amIn one sense, I can’t wait for the elections of 2010. Especially the run up to, where the American voting public will be buried under the avalanche of campaign ads funded by foreign and domestic corporate terroris, er..interests.
Perhaps the shock value will prompt the Constitutional Amendment process into fruition. just hoping…
On another note, I remember reading the analysis of the SCROTUS decision involving corporate funding of ads having to be disclosed. Would there be any interest in PUBLICIZING THE SHIT out of those disclosures??
February 10th, 2010 at 11:33 amTroll actually states the repugniscum strategy: screw it up so badly that the next guy can’t clean it up quickly, and we can blame him for it all.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:33 amWhat was that — the end justifies the means?
armand. Sounds like kind of name a guy would come up with when applying for the job of hair dresser for a Saudi prince.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:33 amThe trolls have to come in trio now — it’s like a circle jerk for them to come here and leave their slime all over the place.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:34 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
armand says:
Obama is on a fast trip to the center. He wants to keep his job like all politicians. The end result is that the Progressives are losing their grip on him.
This is actually pretty accurate. The thing is, he’s been at the center since before he was elected.
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Netanya M. says:
I will also contact AIPAC and urge them to get involved in this situation.
Dude, AIPAC ain’t much more popular around here either… and hardly in a position to complain about foreign influence in American politics.
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drhunt says:
Come on…let’s have a mini-debate on the origins of the Housing bubble and mortgage collapse
Would this be where you repeat everything we already debunked and then we debunk it again? Waste of time.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:38 amKenneth says:
drhunt says:
Fred….are you avoiding me? Are you ready to rumble? Come on…let’s have a mini-debate on the origins of the Housing bubble and mortgage collapse.
I’m waiting for this one. Wonder if Fred has the stones?
Oooh, you’re both much too scary for Fred. Booga booga!
February 10th, 2010 at 11:39 amkenneth, the origins of the housing bubble and the mortgage collapse falls on the shoulders of the republicans and their passion for deregulation.
read the papers fella’s.
It will be in the history books this year.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:39 amMarie says:
The trolls have to come in trio now — it’s like a circle jerk for them to come here and leave their slime all over the place.
They seem absolutely desperate to change the subject. It’s like we’re at the 1-yard line with 2 seconds on the clock and down by 4.
Hey wingnuts – instead of calling us names, tell us what you think about Saudi control of FNC…
February 10th, 2010 at 11:40 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
You can always tell when a thread really hits home by the response of the trolls.
This one got you little goofballs good.
Good work, TP.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:41 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Let’s start with the wiki
February 10th, 2010 at 11:43 amThe financial crisis has been linked to reckless and unsustainable lending practices resulting from the deregulation and securitization of real estate mortgages in the United States.[4] The US mortgage-backed securities, which had risks that were hard to assess, were marketed around the world. A more broad based credit boom fed a global speculative bubble in real estate and equities, which served to reinforce the risky lending practices.[5][6] The precarious financial situation was made more difficult by a sharp increase in oil and food prices. The emergence of Sub-prime loan losses in 2007 began the crisis and exposed other risky loans and over-inflated asset prices. With loan losses mounting and the fall of Lehman Brothers on September 15, 2008, a major panic broke out on the inter-bank loan market. As share and housing prices declined many large and well established investment and commercial banks in the United States and Europe suffered huge losses and even faced bankruptcy, resulting in massive public financial assistance.
Fred ♪♫♪ says:
kenneth, the origins of the housing bubble and the mortgage collapse falls on the shoulders of the republicans and their passion for deregulation.
And the bond rating agencies, who didn’t do their fiduciary duty. But the wealthy investors were clamoring for more profitable investments, with little risk, and the big institutions accomodated them with slice-and-dice mortgage-backed investments.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:44 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Now let’s visit a reputable site and take a couple of lessons:
What Caused the “Great Recession” (Or Depression) Of 2009?
excerpted below for the trolls who are clicky averse.
The economic mess we’re in right now was caused primarily by the sub-prime mortgage market collapse. In his TV special “House of Cards” David Faber gave a detailed 2 hour expose’ on what happened and why. Below is a look at each level of the scheme that brought us to this crisis. What seems clear is a lack of responsibility and common sense at each level. What also seems apparent is that greed is very powerful and can have malignant consequences.
PROSPECTIVE HOMEOWNERS (the Borrowers):
It started in California. After 2001 just about anyone could get a mortgage and buy a home. It then spread across the country. It was like a “yellow brick road” to the American Dream. Many who never thought they could participate suddenly had a shot at the Dream. They could get a mortgage with insufficient income, high debt and even bad credit. Looking back some would say that as long as you could “fog a mirror” you could qualify for a mortgage, buy a home, and enjoy the American Dream. Many mortgages required no verification of income or assets. Even buyers with no credit, or bad credit, had no problem getting a mortgage.
Being offered a mortgage you can not really afford, but being told you could refinance it in a year or two, and then make a bundle because housing prices were skyrocketing, was the sales pitch. It seemed too good to be true, and too good to pass up. On both counts, it was.
MORTGAGE ORIGINATORS:
The companies that meet face to face with home buyer and prepare the mortgage applications are called originators. Originators of mortgage loans are paid a fee that is a percentage of the loan amount, for each loan they process. Due to the huge increase in mortgage applications after 2001, loan origination companies were scurrying to hire new employees – many who received little or no training. More disturbingly, there was essentially no registration or licensing requirements in most states for the loan origination industry.
From 2001 to 2005 there was a “housing bubble” in many parts of the country. This occurs when home prices rapidly and dramatically increase in price, usually because of low interest rates, relaxed lending standards and speculation fever, about “flipping” i.e buying a house and then selling it at a significant profit a short time later.
When the mortgage market took off due to the housing bubble, even former pizza delivery persons could get a job working for a mortgage originator, and go from making minimum wage plus tips, to $20K or more a month as a “loan officer.”
The downside risk to the originators of the risky, sub-prime mortgages was minimal. The originators were paid a healthy origination fee on each mortgage they generated. There was no penalty for generating risky loans, even if they were based on mortgage applications that contained inaccurate statements about the borrower’s qualifications and ability to pay. The originators bundled large groups of mortgages together, some good and some bad. They then sold these bundles, passing off the risk of the sub-prime loans. The amount of money that mortgage originators made in this scheme was staggering.
As long as housing prices continued to rise there was no apparent downside to home buyer & borrowers. And, they faced no real consequences for submitting less than completely accurate information in their application for a mortgage.
“No document” or “minimal document” loans were often generated by the originators and even encouraged. Such mortgages produced profitable fees for originators, but received little to no scrutiny as to whether they were good or risky loans. These kind of loans grew to become routine with many mortgage originators. Over time, mortgages issued without documentation to confirm the borrower’s income, assets, debts and creditworthiness became common place.
WALL STREET – A Substitute for Freddie Mac and Fannie Mac
When Freddie Mac and Fannie Mac “passed” on buying up some of the sub-prime mortgage bundles offered by the originators, Wall Street firms were happy to step in and buy the mortgage bundles. Wall Street repackaged them as mortgage-backed securities and later more complex financial instruments such as CDO’s (collateralized debt obligations). If one firm on Wall Street hesitated to buy an originator’s bundle of mortgages, the next Wall Street firm would be happy to buy them. The competition for these bundles of mortgages, which Wall Street could resell as so-called “investment grade” securities for large profits, increased dramatically. Soon it seemed no bundle of sub-prime mortgages was too risky to float. There was just too much money to be made in the process.
At the same time there was essentially no government scrutiny of these new securities. There were no specific limitations or regulations on what Wall Street’s investment banking houses could do with these mortgages. Nor was there meaningful oversight by the SEC or other federal regulatory agencies.
This, and the massive profits made in selling these mortgage backed securities led to an ever increasing demand by Wall Street for more mortgage bundles. They could make billions repackaging and reselling these mortgages as securities.
Wall Street firms sold these repackaged mortgages around the world – to individual investors, institutional investors, cities and governments – as “investment grade” securities. Investment grade securities are considered the least risky of all investments. They are given a “rating” which runs from the “AAA”, the highest rating, to “BBB” the lower end of “investment grade.” For example, Faber’s special told the story of a small city in Norway that invested millions in CDO’s purchased through a highly regarded London brokerage firm. They were told that their investment was rated “AAA” by well known and reliable rating firms. The city had no reason to know, or even suspect, that their investment was risky. They relied on the ratings and the reputation of the London and Wall Street firms that were selling these instruments as “investment grade” securities.
More in our next installment…
February 10th, 2010 at 11:47 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
What a liar you are. Obama was never in the center, he just talked that way to get elected.
The political center moved left, when republicans were exposed as inept at governance.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:48 amAll of your dodges have been long debunked. You are just repeating the same lies.
fannie, cra, etc. all lies from you on the right who actually caused the crisis.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:48 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Now that you posted the Propaganda view edited by Liberals, seek the truth about the Housing bubble. It’s much deeper than your post.
Oh, dear, weren’t you wingers using wiki just yesterday to make a point?
Hilarious.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:50 amyou righties better watch your step,
or prince alwaleed will order steve doocy to give you 1000 lashes.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:50 amwhat can you dispute about the article I posted, btw, wikis aren’t liberal edited, moronski.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:51 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
The rest of the article
FREDDIE & FANNIE REJOIN THE PROCESS:
Fannie Mac and Freddie Mac are the largest mortgage lending companies in the world. After a while they saw that billions were being made by Wall Street firms selling the sub-prime mortgages as investment grade securities. They decided they were missing out. So, they rejoined the process and also started buying up sub-prime mortgage bundles to resell as mortgage backed securities. This further increased the demand for bundles of new mortgages. It also increased the competition among buyers of these mortgages (like Freddie, Fannie and Wall Street firms) to acquire more and more new mortgage bundles. The result was an ever rising demand on an already frenzied market hungry to buy up and sell sub-prime mortgage bundles. The high demand drove originators to be more aggressive in making mortgage loans, and even less selective in the quality of the loans they made and bundled.
THE ENABLERS? – Investment Rating Firms:
This process, or scheme, probably worked because of the investment ratings given to the mortgage backed securities sold on Wall Street. The reason they were “selling like hot cakes” was because they were rated by S&P’s, Moody’s, Best and other rating agencies as “Investment Grade” securities. If the true risk of these securities was accurately represented in their ratings, it is doubtful that these “toxic” investments would have spread so quickly and pervasively to investors around the world.
Obviously, these new securities were not “investment grade.” Some former employees of the rating firms appeared on Farber’s “House of Cards” broadcast and admitted that their firms this was the case. The problem was that if one rating firm would not give the desired rating, the Wall Street client would just take its securities offering to another rating firm, who would give the needed stamp of approval. The competition among rating firms, and the attractive fees associated with the rating process, resulted in rating firms, in the view of some observers, “selling their souls.” They invented complex, mathematic formulas to try to intellectually justify the “investment grade” ratings given to these securities. This made the ratings appear to be based on rational and reliable analysis. With an “investment grade” rating from a well known and respected rating firm, Wall Street was able to sell these new and risky securities as fast as they could offer them.
This process worked smoothly and went essentially unnoticed for years. This was primarily due to two factors, i.e. the “Housing Bubble” and the time delay before the number of sub-prime mortgage defaults inevitably went ballistic.
The “Housing Bubble” resulted in residential homes increasing in value faster than ever before in our country’s history. Home prices were increasing in some locales by double digit percentages in the course of a single year. While this was happening homeowner with sub-prime mortgage, that they really could not afford, had a safety net. They could simply re-finance, probably get a lower monthly payment, and even put some extra cash in their pocket from the refinance. With the extra cash the homeowner could buy (or pay off) a car, pay off their credit cards or contract for an addition or other improvements to their home. This greatly stimulated the consumer economy, giving it the appearance of being strong and bustling.
What’s wrong with this picture? One of the problems was that the Wall Street firms relied on a big assumption. Their whole scheme assumed that housing prices in the USA would continue to rise annually at a rate of 6% or more – indefinitely. This estimate was without precedent, irrational and unreasonable, according to economists and students of history. We’ve all heard the saying that “what goes up, must come down.”
With mortgage backed securities, and then CDOs, comprised of thousands of loans that borrowers could not afford to pay, it was just a matter of time before loan defaults and foreclosures started. Once the defaults started, they snowballed, and foreclosure rates soared. This eventually caused housing prices to decline dramatically. By 2007 there was an over-supply of homes for sale on the market. These homes were only being sold at distressed-sale prices. So, the “housing bubble” burst. With that, the ability of a borrower to avoid disaster by refinancing a sub-prime mortgage they could not really afford evaporated. Borrowers found themselves stuck with mortgages they could not afford to pay. Even worse, they now found that their mortgage was “upside down,” that is, the amount of their mortgage was more than the value of their house. This drove many homeowners to walk away from their mortgages, with the inevitable increase in defaults and foreclosures. With more foreclosed homes on the market at distressed prices a downward spiral in housing prices followed. What began as a modest snowball rolling down the hill turned into a massive avalanche.
The GOVERNMENT
What was the government’s role in all this? Some might call it encouraging “free enterprise.” Others might say the government was “asleep at the wheel.” What its called probably has more to do with one’s political views than reality and common sense. What is not debatable, however, is that the U.S. government stood on the sidelines and did nothing.
Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan admitted to Faber that his monetary policies probably supported and encouraged the sub-prime mortgage process. His goal of promoting economic growth focused on keeping interest rates low and employment up. He had no desire to pursue monetary policies that would stop the sub-prime mortgage scheme because doing so would necessarily cause a dramatic increase in interest rates, which would depress general business activity. Such action would also cause unemployment to skyrocket, up to perhaps 10%, or more. Even if he saw it coming, Chairman Greenspan simply could not stop the process without being blamed for sabotaging the U.S. economy. Interestingly, Greenspan even admitted to David Farber that he, with all his economic genius, did not fully understand the complex CDO instruments Wall Street was selling to investors.
MY VIEW:
The sub-prime mortgage mess makes it clear that whether you like government or not, there is a place for it, and for regulation. Otherwise, greed and a policy of “anything goes in business” eventually will get out of control. Here, trusted and well respected businesses and institutions charged down paths capable of destroying whole economies, and possibly the financial stability of the entire World.
Some might say these titans of business, these pillars of our society in their grand financial institutions, would never do that – they have more ethics and responsibility than most of us Americans.
Others might say, if you stand to make a bonus of $160 million in one year, and there are no regulations or laws specifying that what you’re doing is illegal or wrong, you can rationalize doing just about anything – no matter how irresponsible it is; and no matter how much damage it causes.
Gary Craw
February 10th, 2010 at 11:51 amGotta go…
Big surprise.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:51 amthere is no debating people who won’t accept facts.
We just call you liars.
You said some things but you didn’t provide any proof.
I have to wonder why you would do that if you weren’t just a liar.
You made the claims, you prove them.
I will take your lunch money and put out my cigarett butt on your neck.
Any time you’re ready to be proven to be a liar, just post some evidence that supports your lies. You know, credible stuff, not faux lies.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:51 amThe dr. seems to be contemplating something…
February 10th, 2010 at 11:52 amGood to see that the trolls are still yellow. They issue an challenge and then immediatly they have to go.
Shocker!
February 10th, 2010 at 11:53 amprince alwaleed loves it when sarah says “drill baby drill”.
he will add her to his harem.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:53 amFox viewer zombies, how are those Arabic lessons coming along?
Traveling to Mecca this year?
February 10th, 2010 at 11:54 amoh harmando – you are so coy. you are the sleekest and cleverest of all the foxsuckers.
perhaps prince alwaleed will spare you the lash.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:54 amKenneth is Dick Cheney’s little love gerbil.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:55 amthe kenneth says:
Oh really? When was the last time that Chinese sponsored terrorists flew planes into tall buildings in the United States?
February 10th, 2010 at 11:55 amAnd that’s what you get, when you depend upon a foreign entity for national news.
Propaganda.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:56 amDebate? Hello? **hollow ring**
February 10th, 2010 at 11:58 amI have trouble getting any of these progressives to tackle this debate…I get the usual arguments about the GLBA, Bush, corporate greed, Bush, the evil republicans, Bush, the horrible Banks, Bush, Wall Street, Bush…you get the picture.
Where’d the doc go? Strategic retreat?
February 10th, 2010 at 11:58 amthe only escape from the foxsuckers’ accusations is to accept all their talking points at face value and agree completely with them.
that’s what they call debate.
musta learned it from that not-too-bright lady from AK.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:00 pmHey Kenneth, what’s fourteen inches long and hangs between Dick Cheney’s legs
You should already know this one, Kenneth.
It’s Sean Hannity’s necktie.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:00 pmok, they came, they said a bunch of stupid shit, challenged us to a debate and then ran.
Thanks trolls, that’s exactly what we tell people you do all the time.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:01 pmi wonder whether prince alwaleed will appreciate gretchen carlson’s brazilian – she got it just for him.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:01 pmbarfly says:
I have trouble getting any of these progressives to tackle this debate…I get the usual arguments about the GLBA, Bush, corporate greed, Bush, the evil republicans, Bush, the horrible Banks, Bush, Wall Street, Bush…you get the picture.
Where’d the doc go? Strategic retreat?
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February 10th, 2010 at 12:02 pmProbably taking a break from TP to do research on how to forge a medical license and doctorate degree.
Armand wishes to be Prince Al-Waleed’s little catamite.
Every harem should have at least one.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:03 pmhoney, you started it by saying something about barney franks.
Prove it. I’m not jumping hoops for you.
You made the statement, now you have to support it or look like an idiot.
That’s the way it works.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:03 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
(this one guy here thinks he’s w.f. buckley or something. it’s so cute when they masquerade as “serious intellectuals” -like when people dress babies in suits)
February 10th, 2010 at 12:04 pmproof is the only thing that will save you hunt.
Without it, you are just sarah palin.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:04 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Armand #12 – You’re afraid of the French?! Didn’t anyone ever tell you…..Bin Ladin came from SAUDI ARABIA. Want me to repeat that?
February 10th, 2010 at 12:05 pmoh harmando – if i didn’t already know you’re just a mouthbreathing foxsucker, i still wouldn’t be wounded by your “witty rejoinder”.
i’ll give you a minute to look up “rejoinder”.
xoxoxo,
me
February 10th, 2010 at 12:05 pmIntelligent people support their statements. Liars don’t.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:06 pmnow that prince alwaleed is in charge, rupe&roger have to be a little more careful about putting their feet up on the desks and coffee tables around the office.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:07 pmArmand #112 not 12.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:07 pmcomon hunt. Some proof on the fannie mae lie would be welcome.
I’m betting that you can’t prove it.
That’s my whole point. You can’t prove it and you know it.
Thus, the dodges.
What a pussy.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:07 pmWow, it took a while for the trolls to realize what was going on around here and their hysterical attempts to change the subject are laughable. DrHunt wants to talk housing bubble! Others want to talk about Obama! Right, trolls
The right-wing connection to dictatorial middle-eastern regimes presents a paradox for right wingers. They reflexively lurch away to try to change the subject. Whether it’s the Bush administration working hard to help the members of the bin Laden family leave the country after the 9-11 attack, Bush holding hands and getting to second base with a powerful Saudi King, or Saudi Princes buying up pieces of our conservative mass-media, conservatives find themselves on the wrong side of the debate here and it drives them nuts.
It’s just another big pile of cognitive dissonance for today’s conservatives to swallow. Open wide, conservatives!
February 10th, 2010 at 12:08 pmbut rupe&roger don’t mind too much. all that pretty money is worth having to observe saudi customs in their own offices.
(they’d do anything for money. *wink*)
February 10th, 2010 at 12:09 pmstill waiting hunt. Are you yellow?
February 10th, 2010 at 12:09 pmWhat would DrHunt be saying now if it came out that a Saudi prince held a significant stake in MSNBC?
February 10th, 2010 at 12:10 pmhunt, you’ve called no one on anything.
you have pontificated and lied and when asked to prove it you lie some more.
Just prove one thing so we can tell that you are serious.
fannie mae.
Comon yellowbelly.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:10 pmsteve doocy is easy to please – he’s just stoked to get to be the lasher.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:11 pmArmand is a power bottom.
The Saudi prince of FoxNews will adore that.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:11 pmExcuse me, drhunt, but this discussion is about the foreign ownership of one of our major cable news stations. If you want to talk about the housing bubble, that’s a different discussion. Shall I flag you for being off-topic and trying to derail the discussion? You can discuss the fact that big Saudi money is buying our media or you can shut up and go away.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:11 pm201 – topic is saudi stake in fox. need your bifocals calibrated?
February 10th, 2010 at 12:12 pmI’m going to try drhunts debating method:
drhunt is a child molestor.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:12 pmAgain, drhunt? Folks, this is getting kind of pathetic. If it isn’t perfectly obvious what this moron is attempting to do, let me spell it out.
drhunt, does not want people to discuss the relationship between conservatives and big Saudi money. And, he doesn’t want to discuss the potential problem inherent in big Saudi money influencing our mass media.
And so, drhunt, pathetically and a little comically, continues to try to think of something else we might want to argue about.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:13 pmTrolls like to talk about anything other than the fact a rich, pampered Prince is buying the information source they live for.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:13 pmWhat’s happened to all Hunt’s crap?
It’s all disappearing before my eyes, like slush before the sun.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:16 pmDoc, does your Saudi prince give good mini-debates?
February 10th, 2010 at 12:16 pmi just love these fairy tales about how the bad old subprime borrowers FORCED the erstwhile boy scouts of Wall St. to go on a years-long gambling binge on borrowed money.
when will evil working people making $40K/yr. EVER stop picking on the pure hearts that run america’s “finance industry”?
February 10th, 2010 at 12:16 pmSteve Doocy of FoxNews is still a weather girl at heart.
Would Armand “hit” that?
February 10th, 2010 at 12:16 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
The mass media never really discussed what happened in the days following the 9-11 attack with respect to Saudi citizens that the Bush administration helped quickly leave the country. There were reports that FBI agents were not allowed to fully question Saudis before they got on planes.
And, the Bushies did very suspiciously lose interest in killing or capturing bin Laden just when they seemed to have him cornered. Makes a curious mind active…
Then, Bush proceeded to dance around holding hands with powerful Sunnis and pushed programs like the tax breaks for guzzlers to insure we’d buy more and more oil… Hmmmmm.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:16 pmDoc, would you consider a Saudi prince spoon feeding info to the conservative base both insidious and odious?
February 10th, 2010 at 12:18 pmA powerful Saudi prince owns the largest non-Murdoch block of shares for FOX News.
I would think that would give conservatives pause, but you know conservatives. A walk in the ocean of their souls would barely get your feet wet (thanks to Christopher Guest).
February 10th, 2010 at 12:18 pmArmand and Hunt are two of Cheney’s favorite little hemorrhoids.
Cheney rubs them the “right” way.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:20 pmThe faux dr just wants someone to go squirrel hunting with him because he can’t stay on any topic. He is paid to…how did he put it, oh yeah, deflect, defer, avoid. He really isn’t much of a hunter but he is good at baiting.
One might even say a master.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:20 pmno it’s not.
never was.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:21 pmCorporations don’t believe in free markets.
It muddies the waters.
Hunt, Armand and Kenneth peddle classroom libertarian theory, but they conveniently ignore corporatism out in the real world.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:22 pmgiven how much righties and islamic monarchists have in common, it’s no surprise at all to find prince alwaleed teaming up with rupe$roger to suppress the underclass via mass media.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:23 pmdrhunt says:
#199 Ninerfan-well…I suppose we could discuss the fact that you supported the rumor that Trig was Bristol’s baby, when, in fact, trisomy 21 is practically NON-EXISTENT in young mothers…wanna go there?
Desperate deflection. This guy’s an intellectual creampuff.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:23 pmdrhunt: “It’s STILL a free country…and still a free-market.”
Well, at least you’re 50% correct. It IS still a free country. But, that’s not the issue here. The issue is foreign governments having control over the dissemination of information to our citizens. Do you really think a 7% stockholder doesn’t have influence over what a corporation does? Seriously? Check again. Boards have been completely blown apart by 5% holders. Stock prices have tanked because people who owned less than 5% liquidated to quickly. 7% in a huge corporation represents great power.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:25 pmevangenital: “Hunt, Armand and Kenneth peddle classroom libertarian theory, but they conveniently ignore corporatism out in the real world.”
Some people think the point of modern libertarian philosophy is a huge bait and switch. You acquire mostly young to middle-age frustrated and angry men with emotional wedge issues like drugs and guns, emotional “freedom-based” rhetoric and cheap wild-west sentiments, get them working to spout the philosophy like good little corporate tools…
And then switch to what was the point all along – corporate power. Because in the absence of government, you may or may not have more personal freedom, but you will ALWAYS have more corporate power!
February 10th, 2010 at 12:28 pm‘dr hunt’ is funny…
NOT worried about porn king Murdoch, whose corp basically OWNS the GOP’s collective azz at this point… but… he’s wetting himself over Soros…
Like I said… funny… but not in a way that’s flattering to him.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:28 pmThe Republic on drhunt: “he’s wetting himself over Soros…”
Yes! And, he’s very fired up over Trig.
Saudi Princes buying up huge swaths of our mass media? Not so much. These principled conservatives really have their priorities straight, eh?
February 10th, 2010 at 12:31 pmhunt, you still haven’t proven anything. All your article says is that fannie and freddie fed the crisis.
They didn’t cause it. Private unregulated companies caused it.
Here’s the truth. Read it and weep hunt. You have been shown to be a liar:
From Mclatchy:
Private sector loans, not Fannie or Freddie, triggered crisis
That was too easy. I see now why you never try to prove the stupid shit you say.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:32 pmglibertarians are hilarious.
can’t give proper credit, but once heard them described as
republicans who own bongs.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:36 pmNinerfan, I know a few of these so-called “libertarian” guys, all of whom are out of work and dependent on the incomes of their wives/girlfriends or living at home with mom and dad.
These men all claim financial and business expertise, and they constantly try to argue with me about everything.
Every last one of them is from a conservative religious household, and they really are holy rollers who don’t want to pay any taxes.
They are all socially regressive, and don’t believe in personal liberty, apart from the liberty of evangelicals and mormons telling you what’s what.
I wish that Ayn Rand were alive to see how this scum have bastardized her work.
I am not a Randian, but I believe she would have ripped their throats out for linking her to their personal religious dogma.
I own a business, and I renovate/restore old homes for resale.
I am no enemy of a free market, but I have seen it almost totally disappear in banking, insurance, farming and media.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:37 pmDid Fannie and Freddie Cause the Mortgage Crisis?
They were trying to please the REPUBLICAN controlled congress by keeping up with their butt buddy private sector irresponsible asswholecorporate moneymongers.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:39 pmHunt is a moron.
He’s like an early Alzheimer’s patient who has a laser-like focus on Soros, Acorn and birtherism.
The greater reality has already greatly dimmed for him, muttering on constantly with his same little buzzwords.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:40 pmdrhunt says:
#312 angels-I never claimed I was a doctor…it was assumed from my alias for weeks.
You are such a fcuking liar.
Exhibit A:
drhunt says:
As a doctor myself, I can assure you Tiller was a hack, and NO physician I know has an ounce of respect for what he did. I can’t even believe his wife could live with the man, knowing full well how he “practiced” medicine.
February 1st, 2010 at 12:35 am
Just confirming what we already knew — “drhunt” is a fraud and a liar.
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:31 pm
Just in case no one remembers what a phony “drhunt” is.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:41 pmWhy are you getting so bent out of shape, Doc.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:48 pmDon’t you know you are a liar?
Zooey, thanks for exposing the wannabe.
In which area of medicine do you work?
My brother is a psychiatrist, and my sister-in-law is a pediatrician.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:49 pmKenneth says:
Yes, I get the picture. – It’s always now, and always will be Bush’s fault
Yes, the problems that occurred during his administration and caused by his policies are his fault, and will remain so until we fix them.
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drhunt says:
One can buy NWS stock anytime they want…
Yeah, just like how there isn’t a health crisis because anybody is free to buy “gold-plated cadillac” health insurance any time they want. And how there wasn’t a food crisis preceding the French Revolution because everybody was free to eat cake…
February 10th, 2010 at 12:49 pmCan’t fight the message, so… remind everyone he is a pathological liar. And delusional because he can’t differentiate between foreign and American. WalMartitis.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:49 pmHunt is a fool and a tool.
The GOPshites totally got us into this mess, and they want to prolong the agony.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:50 pmdrhunt says: the meaningless drivel of some of those that contribute here,
of which you are one of the prime purveyors. We all know you really do hate yourself.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:51 pmI don’t listen to liars, doc…
they lie.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:51 pmINTERESTING ANAGRAM:
hnturd…
February 10th, 2010 at 12:52 pmjust sayin.
Oh, and BTW, the hn stands for howling noisy…
February 10th, 2010 at 12:52 pmI don’t think they do. It’s like thier racism, they don’t think they are racists eithier but they are.
hunt is a child molester. That’s using his own debating style.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:52 pmLet us remember that Rupert Murdoch is not an American either. If he was he’d care about how his Fox is dividing and destroying this country more than he cares about his own wallet. Hopefully.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:53 pmOh, and BTW, the hn stands for howling noisy…
I would have guessed horny.
February 10th, 2010 at 12:53 pmdrhunt says:
not bent out of shape at all…just pointing out the hypocrisy of this blog
You calling anyone or anything else hypocritical? That’s rich.
Caught with your own words — HA! Believe me, this will follow you around TP.
February 10th, 2010 at 1:00 pmHere Chunt you’ve already been told this:
March of Dimes
Even though the risk is greater as the mother’s age increases, about 80 percent of babies with Down syndrome are born to women under age 35. This is because younger women have more babies than older women.
In addition Down Syndrome is more common in the 15-19 age range than in the 20-24 age range. Link
February 10th, 2010 at 1:02 pmPart two on the exposure:
“dr” let’s remind everyone how ‘truthful’ and “genius” you truly are:
drhunt says:
#391 Zooey-you should KNOW how bad it is to edit comments to fit your agenda…it just makes you look stupid…don’t you think?
“I only affirmed the conjecture, but only after much delay”.
Shall I explain to the uneducated what that means?…
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:41 pm
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Zooey linked to – YOUR WORDS:
drhunt says:
As a doctor myself, I can assure you Tiller was a hack, and NO physician I know has an ounce of respect for what he did. I can’t even believe his wife could live with the man, knowing full well how he “practiced” medicine.
February 1st, 2010 at 12:35 am
February 10th, 2010 at 1:03 pmShayne aka Cigna says:
February 10th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
A doctor wouldn’t have to be told…
February 10th, 2010 at 1:03 pmChunt, Immelt is an American and Murdoch is not. See the difference?
February 10th, 2010 at 1:04 pmdrhunt: “Your point? Oh…I guess there’s NO real point to this blog…is there?”
No, there’s a point. Here it is again. Some Americans think it’s a problem that foreign governments and in particular, big Saudi money, is buying up parts of our mass media. Some people think that might affect the way a news operation runs.
Also, it’s very pathetic for you to be pretending to be a doctor. Do you have any self respect at all? Zooey just busted your ass so thoroughly that I’m surprised you’re still around here. What a complete loser.
February 10th, 2010 at 1:15 pmWorth re-posting:
“Zooey (sponsored by Planned Parenthood) says:
drhunt says:
#312 angels-I never claimed I was a doctor…it was assumed from my alias for weeks.
You are such a fcuking liar.
Exhibit A:
drhunt says:
As a doctor myself, I can assure you Tiller was a hack, and NO physician I know has an ounce of respect for what he did. I can’t even believe his wife could live with the man, knowing full well how he “practiced” medicine.
February 1st, 2010 at 12:35 am
Just confirming what we already knew — “drhunt” is a fraud and a liar.”
Thanks, Zooey. I won’t forget.
February 10th, 2010 at 1:17 pmLeast we forget this gem from the Murtha thread:
drhunt says:
#84 jtbf-for some of the “old timers”, it’s still considered UC at Davis…
http://idav.ucdavis.edu/~joy/
You simply don’t understand…but why would you….you’re a progressive.
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“Genius” – from your link:
“Director,
Institute for Data Analysis and Visualization
University of California, Davis
He is the Director of the Institute for Data Analysis and Visualization (IDAV) at UC Davis.”
For someone with a ‘doctorate’ or a ‘Medical Degree’ you don’t grasp reality very strongly.
See the ‘at UC Davis’ is different from what you claim ‘UC @ Davis’.
Majors at the University of California, Davis
February 10th, 2010 at 1:18 pmMajors at the University of California, Los Angeles
lest we forget
February 10th, 2010 at 1:21 pm“Dr. Hunt:”
3232 Republic-so I guess you had NO PROBLEM with Immelt completely in the tank for Obama through NBC prior to the election, and then getting a position on Obama’s Economic Recovery Panel? I guess you had NO PROBLEM with Jim A. Johnson being designated by Kerry to be his SoT if he was elected?
The smell of conservative desperation is strong.
February 10th, 2010 at 1:28 pmPAGING DR. HUNT, DR. HOWARD, DR. FINE
PAGING DR. HUNT, DR. HOWARD, DR. FINE
February 10th, 2010 at 1:32 pmLooks like Chunt is running off and will have to come back with a name change. Who was the guy who claimed he had an Ivy League education from Stanford, Jason?
February 10th, 2010 at 1:32 pmebbAndflow, thanks for the other classic. Nothing like a doctor getting their degree from an email address.
February 10th, 2010 at 1:35 pmChunt, if you do come back:
There’s another one of those overrated Harvard educations you always talk about. Looks like this guy got nowhere with his either. … snort …
Oh and Rupert Murdoch WAS NOT BORN IN THIS COUNTRY.
February 10th, 2010 at 1:36 pmebbAndflow says:
drhunt is still claiming that UC @ Davis is or was a standard reference for the school? Really? I would have thought he’d just pretend that exchange never took place. He and his GiantBrain even claimed that the University’s email address proved his claim.
Oy, that GiantBrain gets him in a lot of trouble.
February 10th, 2010 at 1:36 pmgummitch,
If it was a standard reference to the school…Google would have picked it up and the Wiki article would have listed it.
So yeah…hunt is full of shit.
February 10th, 2010 at 1:49 pmAs a matter of fact, I went to UC @()$&#*($& Santa Barbara.
(What we used to call it around finals time..)
February 10th, 2010 at 1:51 pmJoe Farah has a problem with this?
Farah has to be – hands down – the biggest hypocrite on the planet.
The Washington Times is owned by a cult whose primary allegiance is to Korea and its owner’s “messianic” mission to influence the USA and the world towards his right wing homophobic theocratic ideology. The paper remains in the Moon family’s hands and has been funded with billions of dollars from overseas. Japan is the primary source of this cash. Japan where the Unification Church has been found guilty of swindling widows out of hundreds of millions, likely billions, of dollars.
Moon uses the paper to manipulate our political system and IT HAS!
The WT editorial board quit when the owners made them change an editorial to make it support the South Korean dictator at the time.
Moon rightfully brags about using the paper to gather intelligence for his movement, a primary reason for the paper. This translates into an intel operation for Moon and his friends which INCLUDES North Korea, Moon’s business partners.
The “Messiah” of the UC is Sun Myung Moon who mocks Christ as failure. But the grand hypocrite Farah, does he care about that? No, Joe Farah actually traveled to Korea to speak at a Moon event, helping Moon with his “messianic” mission. WND has defended the the WT by passing on the LIE that the paper is “independent” of Moon and his messianic goals to mold our nation’s and the world’s politics.
Joe Farah has the discernment of a shoe. He supports Moon’s front organization, the Washington Times and has personally spoken on behalf of Moon organization.
Cash from overseas, known use of his fronts as a intel assets for himself and his friends around the world, working to subvert our political system, none of this bothers conservatives or Farah.
Don’t take my word for it…
Quoting James Whelan, the first editor of Moon’s Washington Times. Whelan quit the paper saying he had “blood on his hands” for helping Moon gain credibility.
http://tinyurl.com/yqqbmz
February 10th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
RUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:
As a matter of fact, I went to UC @()$&#*($& Santa Barbara.
(What we used to call it around finals time..)
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February 10th, 2010 at 1:55 pmHaha. UC Santa Barbara is a great university in a wonderful area. Did you ever take a trip into the Santa Ynez mountains while you were there?
Yesterday on Thom Hartmann’s show Joe Farah said he was not a conservative. Of course he didn’t mention that he was a teabagger either.
February 10th, 2010 at 1:57 pmShayne aka Cigna says:
Yesterday on Thom Hartmann’s show Joe Farah said he was not a conservative. Of course he didn’t mention that he was a teabagger either.
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February 10th, 2010 at 1:59 pmWell Hartmann was kinda right. They are conservatives in name only. I’m perfectly fine with just labeling them tea-baggers or knuckle-draggers.
This is what I thought:
February 10th, 2010 at 1:59 pmWiki
Joseph Farah was born in Paterson, New Jersey, on July 6, 1954, to parents of Syrian and Lebanese ancestry
The teabaggers who consider themselves the real Americans are being manipulated by foreigners and secessionists. Shocker.
February 10th, 2010 at 2:00 pmShayne aka Cigna says:
The teabaggers who consider themselves the real Americans are being manipulated by foreigners and secessionists. Shocker.
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It’s amazing what bad education and paranoia mixed with rage and Fox’s propaganda can do to an entire group of people.
I would be lying if I were to say that I wouldn’t want to see some psychological studies done on the tea-baggers.
February 10th, 2010 at 2:05 pmarmand says:
This comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Anything to drive Progressives back into the shadows is fine by me.
We’ll fix things that they destroyed after they are gone.
More and more Democrats are waking up and that’s great. The party is in a shambles after only one year under Progressive rule.
and what pray you have the Progressives destroyed? I bet you can’t answer, until you go on Rush’s show to ask him, “What have the Progressives destroyed?” Pathetic…
February 10th, 2010 at 2:26 pmbizarrobrain (Sponsored by Tysons chicken in a tube!) says:
RUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:
As a matter of fact, I went to UC @()$&#*($& Santa Barbara.
(What we used to call it around finals time..)
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Haha. UC Santa Barbara is a great university in a wonderful area. Did you ever take a trip into the Santa Ynez mountains while you were there?
Hell yeah, the Playground was the perfect spot to watch meteor showers…
February 10th, 2010 at 2:28 pmdrhunt says:
This comment has been voted down. Click to read.
#147 Fred-Yeah…it will be in the history books? And just whom is writing THAT history…some progressive loser in a University setting because they can’t cut it in the real world? Of COURSE the “papers” are blaming everyone but the Dems, they know who might bail them out when they go BK in a year or so.
Are you ready to debate, or are you going to avoid me?
You guys always talk about the university as if there are no conservatives as if it’s a liberal plot to keep conservatives out of there…whereas you can blame conservative greed because the Ph.Ds want to make more money in the private sector…
February 10th, 2010 at 2:32 pmThe Constitution for one. You should learn about the Progressive movement. I suggest a little reading is in order for you Kitty.
Of course you being a Progressive I doubt that you will see the truth behind your history being brainwashed and all.
Back into the shadows roach.
Obama is in his jogging suit running to the right to get re-elected. So sorry Kitty.
February 10th, 2010 at 2:37 pmYou mean Murdoch partnered up with the Saudis on Fox news?
Saudis as in 17 of the 19 9/11 hijackers Saudis?
Not surprised as all.
There seem to be a pattern of American traitors partnering up with Saudis, although I will never consider Murdoch an American, no matter how many people he buys.
See Bush and Cheney, especially Bush French kissing the Saudi Prince Bandar.
February 10th, 2010 at 2:43 pmOBAMA BOWS TO SAUDI KING | Weekly World News LONDON – News outlets are in an uproar today that President Obama bowed to Saudi King Abdullah. The President insists he was just picking up a quarter.
weeklyworldnews.com/politics/7330/obama-bows-to-saudi-king
February 10th, 2010 at 2:47 pmbiz, yeah, Red Rock was one of my favorite hikes.
February 10th, 2010 at 2:49 pmand what pray you have the Progressives destroyed? I bet you can’t answer, until you go on Rush’s show to ask him, “What have the Progressives destroyed?” Pathetic
The Constitution for one. You should learn about the Progressive movement. I suggest a little reading is in order for you Kitty.
It wasn’t a liberal who trashed habeus corpus, or the Geneva Conventions on torture (which according to the constitution’s provisions on international treaties, give any treaty we sign the force of Constitutional law). I think you should also do some reading about our country’s founding document, since you seem quite uninformed.
February 10th, 2010 at 2:54 pmarmand says:
OBAMA BOWS TO SAUDI KING
As did Bush senior. Bush Jr. held hands with him, like a schoolboy with a playgound crush.
You’re not too good at this, are you?
February 10th, 2010 at 2:56 pmI’m much better at this than you are. Maybe you should spend less time in a bar.
LMFAO
February 10th, 2010 at 3:01 pmHey bardrunk, How much of MSNBC is owned by the French?
February 10th, 2010 at 3:07 pmHey, did ya hear about how Osama Bin Laden’s half brother bailed out Barack Obama when his business failed?
Oh, my mistake that wasn’t Obama, that was….
February 10th, 2010 at 3:10 pmGeorge “Bin Laden determined to attack America/OK, you’ve covered you ass” Bush
USCKitty =^..^= the official oracle of the Most Holy Chloe says:
Hell yeah, the Playground was the perfect spot to watch meteor showers…
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I’ll need to check that out next time I’m in Cali. I went mountain biking the last time I was in Santa Barbara and I visited Knapp’s Castle and a few gardens in the Lampoc (sp?) area.
RUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:
biz, yeah, Red Rock was one of my favorite hikes.
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February 10th, 2010 at 3:14 pmIt’s a beautiful place. Probably my second favorite place that I’ve been to ride my bike other than the forests of Iron Horse State Park here in WA.
C’mon alkie, answer the question.
LMFAO
February 10th, 2010 at 3:14 pmHey armand, did you know that Rupert Murdoch is 100% Austrailian. Oh, and how many of the 9/11 attackers were French, dumbass?
February 10th, 2010 at 3:17 pmSo you don’t know either ShanyeRoach.
Still LMFAO
February 10th, 2010 at 3:19 pmbiz, that would be Lompoc…next to Vandenberg AFB…
February 10th, 2010 at 3:20 pmmy my, Armond be a nasty little trollie.
February 10th, 2010 at 3:22 pmAnagram = Morand.
RUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:
biz, that would be Lompoc…next to Vandenberg AFB…
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February 10th, 2010 at 3:23 pmOkay thank you for the spelling correction, And isn’t the Space and Missile Heritage Center in Vandenberg?
It’s the TP way isn’t it? I learned it here.
This is the Republican hate site, isn’t it?
February 10th, 2010 at 3:25 pmIt’s the TP way isn’t it? I learned it here.
This is the Republican hate site, isn’t it?
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February 10th, 2010 at 3:31 pmRepublican hate site? You’ve got the wrong place pal…don’t you mean Free-Republic.com?
Anyplace a Republican shows up there is hate. Nothing we can do about that.
February 10th, 2010 at 3:35 pmNah, I have it right. Look, you’re here. You hate Republicans, right? LMAO
February 10th, 2010 at 3:35 pmHey bar-alkie,
Answer my question.
February 10th, 2010 at 3:39 pm@307. shhhhhh, honey. Daddy’s trying to work.
February 10th, 2010 at 3:42 pmThis just in…Scientists have made the most startling discovery of the 21st century! After years of research, analyzing commentary and extensive study we now know where trolls come from.
Fertilized Turds.
February 10th, 2010 at 3:49 pmarmand says:
Nah, I have it right. Look, you’re here. You hate Republicans, right? LMAO
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February 10th, 2010 at 4:04 pmNo I hate a fair number of their policies. But I did warp your words a little because it is true that Free-Republic.com is a Republican hate site.
It may be but I can’t confirm that firsthand. I’ve never been there.
According to the posts made here today it seems that when people respond with “Saudis as in 17 of the 19 9/11 hijackers Saudis?” post #288 to justify their comments, is racial profiling. That show’s me what Progressives are all about.
The hypocritical double standard of TP posters.
If it’s just that Saudis own 7% of an affiliated news organization of FOX, well, the French own 20% of NBC and MSNBC a fact that Lee Fang fails to mention in his article makes this whole article a Republican bashing thread.
How much does the French ownership of MSNBC and NBC dictate what they say in their daily broadcasts?
February 10th, 2010 at 4:33 pmSo chunt you little coward finally decided to sneak back in. The Palin non-pregnancy rumor wasn’t started here. I believe it was started in Alaska by people who know the facts. But if you want to blame me for it go right ahead. Nobody in their right mind would believe a woman on her 5th pregnancy leaking amniotic fluid is stupid enough to wait until her speech was over, get on an airplane for over 14 hours, then pass the nearest hospital with a neo-natal care unit to travel to a remote hospital without neo-natal care to give birth to a baby with Down Syndrome. Only a real idiot like you would believe that.
February 10th, 2010 at 4:52 pmSo one of you enlightened people here chose to vote down my post # 314 rather than make an honest comment about it. That shows me you are doing what you complain about when someone votes down your comments.
You are a troll of the left.
Typical of the people on this site. The truth hurts, don’t it.
February 10th, 2010 at 5:05 pmThe Teabag fools have yet to realize they have been played from the beginning. Oh well, as we all go down, so do they.
February 10th, 2010 at 5:15 pmSure Dr. Hunt, go ahead and post whatever I may have posted about the possibility that Trig was actually Bristol’s baby and not Sarah’s. It might be good for laughs.
But it won’t change the fact that Zooey busted your ass for pretending to be a doctor. What kind of pathetic loser comes here and pretends to be a doctor? And, why am I even responding to such a ridiculous phony. Don’t you get it Dr. Hunt? You’ve been busted. You’re a joke. Give up.
February 10th, 2010 at 5:37 pmArmand: “the French own 20% of NBC and MSNBC a fact that Lee Fang fails to mention in his article makes this whole article a Republican bashing thread.”
With your track record of unmitigated bullshit, I’m afraid I’m going to need to see some documentation on this 20% French thing. Do you really expect people to take your word on something like that?
I’m still waiting for anything more specific than “progressives have destroyed the Constitution.” Do you understand that without specifics, that’s almost a nonsense statement?
February 10th, 2010 at 5:42 pmarmand: “According to the posts made here today it seems that when people respond with “Saudis as in 17 of the 19 9/11 hijackers Saudis?” post #288 to justify their comments, is racial profiling. That show’s me what Progressives are all about.”
armand, did you think it was a good idea for the Bush administration to help 60 or 70 Saudis quickly leave the country in the days after the 9-11 attack? Some of them were members of the bin Laden family – was that a good idea to let them leave the country?
February 10th, 2010 at 5:45 pmHe’s right about Vivendi owning part of NBC and they’re merged with Blizzard (Starcraft, Diablo, WOW) and the French aren’t a major player in big oil are they?
February 10th, 2010 at 5:58 pmAhahahaha irony is so sweet!
February 10th, 2010 at 5:59 pmI did my research and so should you. It took me less than a minute to find the information on the internet.
I won’t do your work for you. If you can’t find it then read my earlier post here that you thoughtful people have voted down. It seems that your habit of voting down posts and then hiding it’s content doesn’t serve your need to understand what has been said.
I won’t repost it because of your laziness.
Now run along and do your own work.
February 10th, 2010 at 6:09 pmMight be a good time to remind the conservative right and the Coalition that 15 of the 19 hijackers on the 9/11 planes where Saudi Arabians.
Prince Bin Talal makes no bones about his desire to become the next king of Saudi Arabia. The Prince has been spreading a lot of money across the US, especially to our Ivy League institutions.
Prince Alwaleed bin Talal of Saudi Arabia, who has become the first person to buy an Airbus A380 superjumbo to use as a private jet. And, here’s one of the his little palaces in Turin, Italy.
I have a feeling that the Prince is not interested in the needs or wants of Middle Class America. I’m not sure he knows or cares if it exists, and most likely won’t be asking any the senators or member of Congress he ‘buys’ to lend it much consideration either.
February 10th, 2010 at 6:09 pmSo you show your ignorance one again. I read the FBI report on this very subject. Maybe you should do the same.
The administration didn’t help anyone leave the country. You can’t stop Heads of State and their families from leaving the country.
They were, however, interviewed by the FBI before they were allowed to leave the country.
I see that you have been brainwashed by those you associate with here. Do your own work. Don’t rely on the Propaganda you have been fed.
If you don’t agree with something then educate yourself with the truth.
I know you can read, somewhat.
February 10th, 2010 at 6:17 pmHe’s not an American citizen and I’m sure he doesn’t give a sh!t what you or anyone else says here.
Are you bigoted and racist against Saudis???
February 10th, 2010 at 6:19 pmThe trolls around here are, typically, not making much sense, so let me translate for you.
When Armand chides me to look for myself, that means he has no documentation to support his strange claim that “the French” own 20% of NBC. I’m pretty sure he’s full of crap on this one. I’ll look later.
And the Saudi thing? Armand read the FBI report!! What this means is that Armand is the kind of guy who reads the official report and goes to bed.
And, the phony Doctor wants to talk about financial collapse. Laws were passed to prevent banks from engaging in certain behaviors. For 50 years, there were no big problems. We repealed the laws in 1998. Less than 10 years later, we had the biggest collapse since the laws were passed to prevent collapses. And, I’m guessing the phony Doctor will argue that repealing the laws had nothing to do with the collapse. I don’t want to have that argument anymore because it’s absurd. It’s a complete waste of time. Anyone who doesn’t see the correlation between losing these regulations and our banking collapse is just not ready for an adult argument.
February 10th, 2010 at 6:37 pmNinerFan,
Armand is correct about Vivendi owning part of NBC but there is chance that they may sell that 20% to GE. They’ve been talking about this for a large part of 2009.
This is the last I heard of it.
February 10th, 2010 at 6:45 pmNow I understand what Armand is talking about. A French-based international conglomerate called Vivendi used to have a 20% stake in General Electric. Of course, the silly man is a day late and a dollar short again. General Electric has evidently bought back its shares from Vivendi so it can sell NBC to Comcast.
But, even if it were still true, we’re talking a 20% stake in the parent corp., not the corporation itself. Now, GE owning a news operation has always been a problem for me because you’re not going to catch Keith Olberman or anyone on those networks reporting something embarrassing to General Electric Corporation. This discussion is about big Saudi money having a direct stake in the corporation that gives the news.
February 10th, 2010 at 6:47 pmoops, sorry, bizarro, I see you were also correcting me.
February 10th, 2010 at 6:48 pmLook up Vivendi you moron. It was that simple. Stay stupid, I don’t care.
February 10th, 2010 at 6:53 pmNinerFan,
I don’t see how it’s relevant though. Vivendi has most of it’s stocks is video game companies (like Blizzard and Valve) and in companies like Universal. As far as I know NBC is the closest Vivendi gets to politics and that’s purely a financial thing.
Unlike Alwaleed bin Talal who is legitimately manipulating US media and politics via Fox.
February 10th, 2010 at 6:55 pmThe Saudi Royal Family assigned Bandar to watch George W. Bush. The two got so close GW nicknamed him Bandar Bush. Now the Saudi’s were smart enough to gain profit slowly. We saw who was really in charge when the Saudi’s summoned Dick Cheney and Cheney ran there. Yes what’s even more funny is the racist on Fox News don’t know their boss is a Saudi with alarge amount of shares.
February 10th, 2010 at 7:06 pmFrom a conservative page called Townhall.com
February 10th, 2010 at 7:24 pmWhat an Idiot you are. GE announced the buy back in December of 2009. Lets see, election was on Nov 2008, GE annouces the buyback in December 2009. Vivendi 20% stock ownership in NBC 2004.
The deal was approved by the companies’ boards, and is subject to regulatory approval. GE said it expects the deal to go through in the third quarter of 2010.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/03/news/companies/comcast_nbc/index.htm
Five + years of 20% ownership. You do the numbers.
Vivendi initially wanted the entire payment upfront, while GE wanted to pay after its deal with Comcast Corp. (CMCSA) closed. Vivendi had agreed to accept payment for one-third of its stake until the deal with Comcast closes.
http://www.stockbloghub.com/2009/12/01/ge-vivendi-to-sell-nbc-universal-stake-to-general-electric-co-for-comcast-deal/21609
The deal with Comcast needs regulatory approvaland Vivendi still owns a stake in NBC until it is approved.
Once again, a little research would be good for you.
LMFAO
February 10th, 2010 at 7:40 pmdrhunt says:
Fox has been censoring stuff such as this for most of the last decade. To be clear all TV media news have censored something in the last ten years. But there is a difference…MSNBC/CNN censored themselves to avoid reprimands from the Bush admin…Fox censored what was unfavorable to the Bush admin.
And of course TP is filtered. It’s like how WND is seen from a Conservative POV. Neither are objective. And you’re wrong about Obama’s approval rating. Come back when you’ve gone to a school that exists Hunt.
February 10th, 2010 at 7:57 pmNow on to CBS ownership. Another network that Mr. Fang failed to mention in his article.
I understand that Mr. Fang needs to write only about things that you Loons will respond to with your hate but he’s not an honest jounalist when he omits information or hypes only selected information for you fools to feed on.
http://www.la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/47530.php
February 10th, 2010 at 7:59 pmBritish Nuclear Fuels Limited (BNFL) is a private company owned by the UK Government through the Department for Business Innovation and Skills.
Interesting stuff. Who really owns what network????
LMFAO
February 10th, 2010 at 8:03 pmCNN: AOL Time Warner.
Saudi Prince
Alwaleed bin Alsaud. The prince claimed to own $1.4 billion in AOL
stock in 2000 (3), which was less than 1% of the company’s outstanding
stock. In 2002, Alwaleed said he bought another $450 million of AOL stock.
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/203124.html
Hey Mr. Fang, you forgot to report this also.
Send some hate there.
One sided hate piece. Omit the facts.
This stuff isn’t hard to find Mr. Fang, hell, I’m just a troll and I found it.
LMFAO
February 10th, 2010 at 8:17 pmHey, it’s been fun playing with you roaches but I gotta go.
I’ll turn off the lights when I leave so you can come out from wherever you’re hiding.
One last word before I go, !!!!!! R A I D !!!!!!!!
RLMFAO Ha Ha Ha Ha ha
February 10th, 2010 at 8:28 pmdrhunt says:
bizarro-perhaps ABC polling data is a little skewed? As soon as the public places the POLICIES together with Obama, which at this time, it still hasn’t, then this will follow…
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/february_2010/75_are_angry_at_government_s_current_policies
Further, when the public begins to grasp what economic policy BO is utilizing, then he’ll take another big dip…
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/general_business/february_2010/americans_reject_keynesian_economics
I guess UC@Davis is not a good enough education for you? LOL! I’d love to know where you went in comparison…
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Yeah way to be un-biased…Rasmussen skews his “issue” polls to the conservative slant.
And there is no UC@Davis…the wiki article and the main site would have said something about a name change if there was. And I’ve already told you where I went to college: WSU.
So how do you feel about Fox working with a country that hoards terrorists?
February 10th, 2010 at 9:23 pmAaaah, conservative love triangles, you just gotta love ‘em.
The Murdoch family (and News Corp) in bed with Saudi royalty along with the Bush family.
And the Saudi royalty are in bed with the ultra-orthodox radical Wahibbist religious fanatics who actually rule Saudi Arabian society with an iron Islamicist blood-stained fist, which spawned Osama bin Laden, the al Qaeda and 15 of the 9/11 hijackers who murdered almost 3,000 innocent U.S. citizens.
Sometimes one has to really wonder about the sanity of conservatives.
February 10th, 2010 at 11:33 pmYou still end up with UC Davis. We’ve been through this before.
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February 11th, 2010 at 2:06 amWelcome to UC Davis
Feb 10, 2010 … UC Davis is one of the nation’s top public research universities and is part of the world’s pre-eminent public university system.
Farah noted correctly that Alwaleed had boasted in the past about forcing Fox News to change its content relating to its coverage of riots in Paris, and warned that such foreign ownership of American media is “really dangerous.”
Oops Armand and doctor kkkhunt, good luck with that defense of “terrorist supporting” faux news! ;)
February 11th, 2010 at 3:18 amdrhunt says:
Great job armand…
You’re applauding him being an ignorant d**chebag my little kkkhunt? Really?? LOL! ;)
February 11th, 2010 at 3:19 amarmand says:
One sided hate piece. Omit the facts.
You mean the “fact” that the Saudi prince has been able to get Faux news to change coverage even before this purchase? ;)
Poor little terrorist p*ssy, you and your lunatic teabaggers are pawns of islamists and you’re too “retarded” to even know it! LOL! ;)
February 11th, 2010 at 3:22 amjust the bleepn facts says:
Poor little terrorist p*ssy, you and your lunatic teabaggers are pawns of islamists and you’re too “retarded” to even know it! LOL! ;)
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Even if they did pay attention to the story…I don’t think they’d mind. Their extremist pals obviously have no problem blowing up abortion centers and they have no problem cheering.
Ever notice how an American Christian theocracy seems to resemble Sharia Law like the system they have in SA?
February 11th, 2010 at 3:29 amThe SELLING of America, one piece at a time.
February 11th, 2010 at 12:48 pmWake up America, the greed of corporate America is going to destroy us if we do not stop them.
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February 12th, 2010 at 3:14 pmIt’s all about $$$ and it’s getting out of control; beginning to unravel. There are 2 ways it can go:
1. The people of the U.S. will WAKE UP and take control of their country and their gov’t. I’m not saying we will take over foreign owned “investments”, but will wrest control from the Fed and it’s toadies. Or,
2. We will continue on the path we are now on, which will lead to NWO ownership, the USA being a club med for the wealthy, Americans and Foreigners alike.
Cocktail, anyone?
February 12th, 2010 at 11:18 pmdrhunt says:
Fox has been censoring stuff such as this for most of the last decade. To be clear all TV media news have censored something in the last ten years. But there is a difference…MSNBC/CNN censored themselves to avoid reprimands from the Bush admin…Fox censored what was unfavorable to the Bush admin.
And of course TP is filtered. It’s like how WND is seen from a Conservative POV. Neither are objective. And you’re wrong about Obama’s approval rating. Come back when you’ve gone to a school that exists Hunt.
February 17th, 2010 at 2:07 pm