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First same-sex couple weds in D.C.

By Amanda Terkel on Mar 9th, 2010 at 10:59 am

First same-sex couple weds in D.C.

Same-sex couples began marrying in the nation’s capital today, with some lining up as early as 3:30 a.m. to pick up their licenses from D.C. Superior Court. The first couple to officially tie the knot was Angelisa Young and Sinjoyla Townsend, who met in a constitutional law class at the University of the District of Columbia. They wed at the office of the Human Rights Campaign, along with two other couples. Watch part of Young and Townsend’s ceremony here:

D.C. is now the sixth place in the country where marriage equality is legal, following Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and Vermont. Watch more coverage of today’s celebrations.

Update This morning, U.S. security marshals had to escort a woman out of D.C. Superior Court after "she began yelling 'God wouldn't recognize' same-sex marriages. The woman had been standing in line with same-sex couple who were waiting to pick up their marriage licenses."


220 Responses to “First same-sex couple weds in D.C.”

  1. Zimzone says:

    Congrats to D.C. gay couples!

    Now, if we can just get health insurer reform out of D.C….


  2. EnnuiDivine (a holding company of Soylent Food Products, Inc.) says:

    Congrats to Angelisa and Sinjoyla!

    Bigotry is slowly falling. And the Catholic Church is coming off as heartless. (To avoid giving benefits to same-sex married couples, Catholic Charities in DC have cut off benefits to ALL married couples. How’s that compassion working for you?)


  3. Purple State is sponsored by GlaxoSmithKline says:

    Well, we’ve reached our gay-story quota for the day. I predict a complaint about too many “gay stories” by #15.


  4. dbadass says:

    Can someone explain to me once and for all how this marriages threaten their neighbors nongay marriages?


  5. raynman a wholly owned subsidiary of WalMart says:

    Ahhh, so now gay couples can be as miserable as straight couples. :-p

    Seriously, tho, congratulations!


  6. noseeum, et al... says:

    There’s an EMT on his way to Mr. Duke’s house by now…


  7. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    As enniDivine says, progress happens no matter how hard the right tries to drag us back to the stone ages.


  8. kali90 says:

    AWESOME.. congrats to the couple..

    this is one more victory against those hateful, bigoted, ignorant religious fanatics and their irrational dogmas and superstitions that are nothing but CRAP…

    :) :)


  9. EnnuiDivine (a holding company of Soylent Food Products, Inc.) says:

    dbadass says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    Can someone explain to me once and for all how this marriages threaten their neighbors nongay marriages?

    The same way interracial marriages caused all those homogenous couples to suddenly divorce and/or kill each other. If people are intent on hating someone for their ethnicity or sexual orientation, they can find all the justification they need by cherry-picking and interpreting a piece of text from 2 millenia ago.


  10. Acorvid says:

    Wait! I feel the earth beginning to shake! OMG!! Could this be the beginning of the destruction of the traditional American family? It must be!! Oh, nooooooooooo………


  11. LizCoro says:

    The arrogance of people “speaking for God” . .

    Okay, then I’ll be arrogant and speak for God too:

    Hey Lady, go do some charity work or volunteer in a hospital and do me a favor, MYOB!!


  12. paleolib says:

    I hope the marshals thought to ask the nice lady who had time to stand in line and shriek about God and gay marriage whether God told her who was going to win the NCAA basketball tournament. If you have to deal with opinionated harpies might as well see if God shared anything you can use.


  13. EnnuiDivine (a holding company of Soylent Food Products, Inc.) says:

    To further illustrate the warped thinking of anti-gay politicians, look no further than expelled state Sen and convicted woman beater Hiram Monserrate.

    You usually only expect the kind of hypocrisy that has a politician convicted of assaulting his girlfriend accusing his opponent of being “anti-family” for supporting gay rights from the Republicans.


  14. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    LizCoro says:
    do me a favor, MYOB!!

    Liz, they can’t run their own lives but they damned sure intend to run ours.


  15. bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:

    Acorvid says:
    Wait! I feel the earth beginning to shake! OMG!! Could this be the beginning of the destruction of the traditional American family? It must be!! Oh, nooooooooooo………


    The end times are upon us! Teh gay has risen from the earth!


  16. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    More Republican Hypocrisy: Bible Belt States Have the Highest Divorce Rates. And they Worry About Gay Marriage?

    Christian conservatives are hellbent on keeping gays from marrying, saying such same-sex unions are an affront to the great institution of marriage, threatening the very social, emotional and legal fabric which binds a man and woman in holy matrimony. Ironically however, it’s these very same bible-thumpers who have the highest divorce rates in the country. The Bible Belt is the breeding ground for broken marriage.

    Despite this fact, the right wing evangelical fanatics like to point to states like “liberal” Massachusetts, holding it up as some sort of Sodom and Gomorrah. To the contrary, Massachusetts has the lowest divorce rate in the country at 2.4 per 1,000 population.

    According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the states with the highest divorce rates are to be found in the Bible Belt, where they exceed by 50% the national average of 4.2 per thousand people. The 10 Southern states with some of the highest divorce rates were Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Oklahoma, North and South Carolina, Florida, Arizona and Texas. By comparison nine states in the Northeast– where allegedly amoral, faithless, Volvo-driving, Birkenstock-wearing, NY Times-reading lefties are found–were among those with the lowest divorce rates: Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Vermont and Rhode Island.

    Perhaps these born-again Christians should actually practice what they preach. Family values? Now that’s a joke.


  17. noseeum, et al... says:

    “U.S. security marshals had to escort a woman out of D.C. Superior Court after “she began yelling ‘God wouldn’t recognize’ same-sex marriages.”

    There’s a lot of things the white haired old fart doesn’t recognize anymore.


  18. Purple State is sponsored by GlaxoSmithKline says:

    Well, I’ll be damned. No troll complaints yet.

    They must be getting their passports renewed for their long trip to Costa Rica.


  19. bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:

    Congratulations Angelisa Young and Sinjoyla Townsend! Best of luck! :)


  20. shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:

    Same-sex couples began marrying in the nation’s capital today,

    Is this why all the hetro couples in Oklahoma are getting divorced?


  21. Democrat Soldier says:

    #16 – Fred ♪♫♪ says:
    ———————————————————–
    “Perhaps these born-again Christians should actually practice what they preach.”
    March 9th, 2010 at 11:16 am

    But, Fred, the right-whining hypocritical born-again American “c”hristians just aren’t the type of person to whom they preach! What should any of the rest of the world expect them to actually do what they tell everyone else to do?

    My pardon, my sarcasm setting must be stuck in “right-whiner” mode. ;-)


  22. Democrat Soldier says:

    How much loner before we get a troll who’s going to complain about equal right for ALL Americans?

    Why do these right-whiners hate the Constitution and America so much?!?


  23. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    Quoting a comment from a Canadian: Comment by NOLIESPLEASE

    Our country ( Canada ) has passed laws allowing gay marraige. Hang on one sec,….let me look out the window and see if our society is coming apart…back in one sec…

    Ok , this is what I can tell you,……our dollar is strong….no mortgage problem here ( gays pay there mortgage), our banks have plenty of money ….. Everyone has health care (single payer)….not that many people are mad, we as a nation of 32million only had 520 murders for 2007…. women get 9 months for maternity leave….government subsidizes 75 % of higher education…..Our marijuana has recieved the gold cup in Amsterdam…. Everyone is happy!!!! Geez, I did not realize how bad we have it…..We’re socialist and everyone has the same rights….I guess were dammed . I knew we shouldn’t of allowed gays to marry.


  24. STORM says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  25. bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:

    shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:
    Same-sex couples began marrying in the nation’s capital today,

    Is this why all the hetro couples in Oklahoma are getting divorced?

    Kid: “Why are you and mommy not together anymore?”

    Fundie-Dad: “Well junior, as you’d learn in any Chick tract rip-off mommy and daddy divorced because those homos in Washington D.C. were allowed to get married. We were so upset that our government had dismantled the sanctity of marriage that we split up. God works in funny ways sometimes.”


  26. zxbe says:

    This morning, U.S. security marshals had to escort a woman out of D.C. Superior Court after “she began yelling ‘God wouldn’t recognize’ same-sex marriages.

    If God wants to discriminate, so be it. I’d like to rise above that.


  27. normalasf says:

    Ted Haggard is organizing a Pray the Gay Away day on the National Mall. Hey — it worked for him. Right?


  28. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    STORM says:
    Now everyone will accept them.

    except your contingent of racists and fascist. Like you.

    go back into the woodwork where you belong.


  29. Purple State is sponsored by GlaxoSmithKline says:

    It’s sad that it requires a dilapidated institution such as marriage for people to accept them, STORM.

    Yes, the sarcasm is duly noted.


  30. STORM says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  31. Zimzone says:

    Being in D.C. today for the SCROTUS hearing must be driving the Rev. Phelps absolutely crazier!!


  32. Democrat Soldier says:

    #24 – STORM says:
    ———————————————————-
    “Now everyone will accept them.”
    March 9th, 2010 at 11:22 am

    Kind of like how when inter-racial marriages were no longer outlawed, EVERYONE accepted them! Even the Grand Wizard of the KKK came out and said “Oh, Lordy, they is free at last! Let’s all hold hands and sing kum-bah-ya!”

    Well, maybe not him . . . .


  33. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    STORM says:

    You have no idea what is like to be gay you idiot. So STFU!!!!!!!!!

    I have the same understanding of it that I do of being black.

    right wingers and fascist oppress them.

    If you’re trying to say they shouldn’t be gay because it invites the wrath of the right then your thinking would also say that women invite rape.

    You seem not to have a logic trail that is valid in either case.


  34. bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:

    STORM says:
    You have no idea what is like to be gay you idiot. So STFU!!!!!!!!!

    STORM’s father (50 years ago) says:
    Now everyone will have to accept them.

    STORM’s father (50 years ago) says:
    You have no idea what is like to be black, you idiot. So quiet down and mind your own business young man!

    Same shit different era.


  35. vinylspear, sponsored by Sunless Tanning Solutions says:

    Do I read that correctly?
    Is STORM claiming to be gay?


  36. Fritz (God Told Me To Hate Conservatives) says:

    normalasf says:

    Ted Haggard is organizing a Pray the Gay Away day on the National Mall. Hey — it worked for him. Right?

    Nope. He’s still gay.


  37. bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:

    vinylspear, sponsored by Sunless Tanning Solutions says:
    Do I read that correctly?
    Is STORM claiming to be gay?

    Haha.
    Freudian slip?


  38. Fritz (God Told Me To Hate Conservatives) says:

    I figured this thread would be infested by trolls by now.


  39. galmud says:

    dbadass says:

    Can someone explain to me once and for all how this marriages threaten their neighbors nongay marriages?

    You mean the argument “It’s Adam and Eve! Not Adam and Steve!” isn’t convincing enough? /snark


  40. A Patriot Acting says:

    drizzle dribbles:
    “Now everyone will accept them.”

    The last thing teh geys are looking for is your acceptance troll. Equality under the law is all they ask…and deserve.


  41. Fritz (God Told Me To Hate Conservatives) says:

    Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    You seem not to have a logic trail that is valid in either case.

    STORM? Logic?

    Error. Does not compute.


  42. Pilotshark Sponsored by Boeing says:

    Purple State is sponsored by GlaxoSmithKline says:
    Well, we’ve reached our gay-story quota for the day. I predict a complaint about too many “gay stories” by #15.

    LOL >>> only missed it by 9 not bad.


  43. shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:

    STORM says:
    You have no idea what is like to be gay you idiot. So STFU!!!!!!!!!

    Well, why don’t you tell us what it’s like.


  44. Democrat Soldier says:

    #38 – Fritz (God Told Me To Hate Conservatives) says:
    ———————————————————
    “I figured this thread would be infested by trolls by now.”
    March 9th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    Well, I consider Storm to be a “hot or miss” kind of poster as for falling in the “troll” category. There are times he’s not a knee-jerk reactionary. There are times I agree with what he’s saying! (I know, hard to believe. . . )

    I’m just trying to figure out how he know’s how things are fo us gay folk. I know a number of straight folk who do understand a great deal about what gay citizens face in their lives.


  45. Democrat Soldier says:

    Wow! I need to check my spelling in #44!
    Make that “HIT or miss”.

    I have no idea if Storm is “hot” or not. ;-)


  46. P.D. says:

    WTF? I don’t get trolls. So now STORM is a gay man? Weird.


  47. raynman a wholly owned subsidiary of WalMart says:

    Isn’t that sweet?

    STORM outed himself on TP.

    Just another sign of the compassion and love that typifies progressiveness.


  48. Fritz (God Told Me To Hate Conservatives) says:

    P.D. says:

    WTF? I don’t get trolls. So now STORM is a gay man? Weird.

    Maybe he just wants to be gay, but doesn’t have the courage. He IS a conservatard (who are all cowards) after all…


  49. Pilotshark Sponsored by Boeing says:

    STORM says:
    You have no idea what is like to be gay you idiot. So STFU!!!!!!!!!

    Should add>>>> you have no idea what its like being gay in the white wing wrong side cult party of no.

    stormy its ok there is help for you honestly you just have to get comfortable with your self in you own skin then it becomes easy after that.


  50. Zimzone says:

    Rush and Storm will get married in Costa Rica to avoid attention and the media ’storm’ that’s sure to follow.

    -6 young Dominican boys as bridesmaids

    -Goosestep, not walk, down the aisle

    -Kiss each others ass to consummate the marriage


  51. ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:

    vinylspear, sponsored by Sunless Tanning Solutions says:
    Do I read that correctly?
    Is STORM claiming to be gay?

    I’m not sure which is more astounding — that SPERM might be gay or that he’s posting on-topic.


  52. pags2 says:

    “U.S. security marshals had to escort a woman out of D.C. Superior Court after “she began yelling ‘God wouldn’t recognize’ same-sex marriages.”

    I am sure that God has better things to do than check up on who is getting married to who or who is sleeping with who. He would find such tasks to be tedious.


  53. P.D. says:

    ZIM, LOL! Let the troll and Limpballs leave, I will celebrate for a week!


  54. ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:

    This morning, U.S. security marshals had to escort a woman out of D.C. Superior Court after “she began yelling ‘God wouldn’t recognize’ same-sex marriages.

    At the risk of wearing out this Anne Lamott quote:

    “You can safely assume that you’ve created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. “


  55. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:

    I’m not sure which is more astounding — that SPERM might be gay or that he’s posting on-topic.

    Or the irony of him telling us to stfu because we didn’t have a clue.


  56. christopher wiwi says:

    It might be that the TROLLS gaydar is on the fritz today, because I figured all the haters,hypocrites and bible thumpers would be here……….or are they all out there protesting homosexuality at our brave soldiers funerals.


  57. RUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:

    What! 50+ posts and no Btblt to preach his hateful Xiandogma?

    How utterly nice.


  58. bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:

    ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:

    This morning, U.S. security marshals had to escort a woman out of D.C. Superior Court after “she began yelling ‘God wouldn’t recognize’ same-sex marriages.

    At the risk of wearing out this Anne Lamott quote:

    “You can safely assume that you’ve created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. “


    Creating God in one’s own image by Ed Yong.


  59. RUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:

    Littlest Angle = Darlyy?


  60. mike from Arlington says:

    All this while their neighbors to the south in VA, specifically Ken Cucinnelli the new DA and Bob McDonnell the new Gov are on a religious crusade to negate any protections from discrimination gay people might have had.

    Cucinnelli is now instructing all schools and universities to negate any anti-discrimination laws that protected gays and McDonnell purposely left out anti-discrimination laws that protected gays in the work force.

    Gay groups need to be vocal, loud and not give up. The religious right will fight back tooth and nail. They will never accept gays into our society.


  61. USNclerk says:

    @57. Maybe not, but we have the Fallen Angel here ready to pick up teh slack.


  62. RUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:

    Man, if the USA is god’s country, he got ripped off.
    It’s filled with hateful bigots.
    If he bought it at Costco, he could return it, no questions asked.


  63. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    The Littlest Angel says:
    God is in his heaven sitting upon his throne, crying for his country.

    this must be a parody. his country. gufaw.


  64. Fritz (God Told Me To Hate Conservatives) says:

    The Littlest Angel says:

    God is in his heaven sitting upon his throne, crying for his country. Now the time has come. His righteous thunderbolt will cleave our earth.

    I guess I should pack my belongings up and wait for that big old righteous thunderbolt, huh?

    BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!


  65. ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:

    Hey, Littlest Angel, that was pretty good. You sounded just like a fundie homophobe. That’s not easy to imitate.

    What am I saying? It’s totally easy to imitate. But you did it very well and cleverly.


  66. bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:

    RUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:
    Littlest Angle = Darlyy?

    Our two or three fundie trolls always show up when there is something in an article or a comment that they believe offends Christianity. They spend like 20-30 minutes calling other satanists and telling others that they will go to hell. Then they just disappear. And oddly enough Kenneth always shows up after them.


  67. RUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:

    His righteous thunderbolt will cleave our earth.
    This cleavage, I just gotta see!

    The un-naughty will cling to his majestic robe.

    Un-naughty? Like a good little four year old? Find me one.


  68. angels81 says:

    Is god selling tickets to the big thunderbolt show? Does anyone know were I can buy some? I hear the Rolling Stones will be opening the show.


  69. P.D. says:

    I think God has his hands full, troll-boy. With Earthquakes, Famine and Socail injustice, I think God has better things to do. Why don’t YOU do something constructive like volunteering instead of obsessing over ‘Teh Gay’. You’re a loser.


  70. RUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:

    Bizarro ~ Kenneth = Darlyy?


  71. ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:

    Fred ♪♫♪ says:
    The Littlest Angel says:
    God is in his heaven sitting upon his throne, crying for his country.

    this must be a parody. his country. gufaw.

    Fred, it’s a parody. The “un-naughty” was the tip-off.


  72. bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:

    The Littlest Angel says:
    Zeus is on Mt.Olympus sitting upon his throne, crying for his country. Now the time has come. His righteous thunderbolt will cleave our earth!

    Fixed!


  73. TheVeritableBuddhist says:

    Congratulations. Another historic day for equal rights. I know that there are sects of Buddhism that are intolerant of homosexuals and gay marriage, but I am certainly not one of them. This is awesome.



  74. RUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:

    Little Angel, since dog’s thunderbolt is going to cleave us, how much for your little sister?


  75. bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:

    RUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:
    Bizarro ~ Kenneth = Darlyy?

    It’s possible. Like I said Darlyy, Bit and Kenneth travel in a pack.


  76. Zooey, Mother Superior, Church of Perpetual Whoopie says:

    I always cry at weddings…

    Congratulations, ladies. :-)


  77. fritzthecat says:

    I would think the extreme right wing faction of America would applaud gay marriage. Think about it, it would keep those “unclean sinners” from “leering” at them in public places. You know because everyone that is gay is automatically attracted to bigots who despise their very existence.


  78. bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:

    ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:
    bizarrobrain, that is an excellent link. Thanks much.

    No problem :)


  79. Zooey, Mother Superior, Church of Perpetual Whoopie says:

    STORM says:
    You have no idea what is like to be gay you idiot. So STFU!!!!!!!!!

    Did Stormie just come out?


  80. RUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:

    Biz ~ reminds me a tad of Ratatouille…


  81. P.D. says:

    Zooey@81, LOL! I guess. He has been in hiding ever since he said it.


  82. bothWrong says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.



  83. Zooey, Mother Superior, Church of Perpetual Whoopie says:

    P.D. says:
    Zooey@81, LOL! I guess. He has been in hiding ever since he said it.

    He’s the guy at Thanksgiving dinner who says, “Did I say that out loud?” as everyone is staring at him in wonder.


  84. TheVeritableBuddhist says:

    Really? Happiness=anger?
    I am thrilled for these people. I have nothing against the anti-gay-marriage crowd, except on principle. But this is an issue of civil rights, and these people in DC have been given their opportunity to be full citizens, unlike most of the rest of the country. To quote Clutch: “You can’t stop/You can’t stop progress”


  85. bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:

    RUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:

    Biz ~ reminds me a tad of Ratatouille…

    If you’re talking about the Pixar Ratatouille movie…I haven’t seen it yet.

    I still think Wall-E and Toy Story were their best films.


  86. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    bothWrong says:

    It must really awkward to be in the same “category” as the woman escorted out of the courthouse…. only in the opposite side of the issue.

    logic fail. This is why you are the minority.


  87. angels81 says:

    bothwrong,

    I don’t see any anger, all I see is people having fun with the small minded. Its hard to get angry at some people who have rocks for brains.


  88. TheVeritableBuddhist says:

    In nomine patri et filii et spiritus sancti. Love thy neighbor as thyself.


  89. bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:

    The Littlest Angel says:
    84, I have bowed low for Jesus. There is no place for you, the ones who will not pleasure Jesus, in heaven.

    Fixed.


  90. belaccifer lacca says:

    You guys go ahead and enjoy your sweeping generalizations and degrading comments of others. It fits the theme of the article quite well.

    Reporting on the first same sex couple to wed in DC is a ’sweeping generalization?’

    Seems VERY specific to me and not at all degrading… quite the opposite, extremely uplifting.


  91. RUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:

    Biz If you’re talking about the Pixar Ratatouille movie…I haven’t seen it yet.

    I still think Wall-E and Toy Story were their best films.

    Yeah, having a six year old, you get to watch ALL the pixar adventures. There is an imaginitive, creative rat who becomes a gourmet chef, and yet his ‘pack’ doesn’t get it, that he wouldn’t ear garbage. The trolls just remind me of the garbage loving rat pack…


  92. RUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:

    ear=eat, geez, need coffee…


  93. TheVeritableBuddhist says:

    Actually, it seems the Little Angel was attacking BothWrong, who is, obviously, wrong.


  94. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    On the troll bothwrong, remember, half of all people are below average.

    I’m guessing bothwrong has one eyebrow.


  95. USNclerk says:

    @88. Ah but without cynicism, how would we see through your lies and arrogance? The truth is there for those who open their eyes.


  96. RUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:

    Oh crap, a Latin fest. Father Kernan (9th & 10th grade latin teacher), bail me out here…


  97. pags2 says:

    angels81 says:
    The liberal and the sodomite? They will fall into the bottomless pit of perdition.

    I doubt it. There won’t be any room because of all the adulterers.


  98. RUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:

    TVB, ironic, eh, that the roller goes after the troll…heh.


  99. RUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:

    pags2, don’t forget the closeted republican hypocrites!


  100. angels81 says:

    The Littlest Angel,

    My next door neighbor “Jesus” thanks you for standing tall for him, but he say’s he doesn’t need your help. but he say’s thanks anyways.


  101. ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:

    Can anyone explain how BW sees broad-based “anger management issues” on this thread?

    bothWrong says:

    You guys go ahead and enjoy your sweeping generalizations and degrading comments of others.

    It’s almost like he’s trying to generate comedic irony as an element of his own comment.

    Were you, BW? Were you trying?


  102. ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:

    TheVeritableBuddhist says:
    Actually, it seems the Little Angel was attacking BothWrong, who is, obviously, wrong.

    That was my conclusion as well. It’s why I voted up The Littlest Angel.


  103. angels81 says:

    pags2@101,

    hey, I didn’t say any such thing.


  104. TheVeritableBuddhist says:

    Heh.
    Oh, and I am here for all of your Latin needs. I do have quite a bit of collegiate Latin (including Ecumenical) under my belt.


  105. TheVeritableBuddhist says:

    @106

    Whatever is well said, no matter who says it, is still well said.
    Like that makes any sense. lol


  106. bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:

    RUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:
    Yeah, having a six year old, you get to watch ALL the pixar adventures. There is an imaginitive, creative rat who becomes a gourmet chef, and yet his ‘pack’ doesn’t get it, that he wouldn’t ear garbage. The trolls just remind me of the garbage loving rat pack…

    Sounds like a good movie. I heard Patton Oswalt (comedian) voiced one of the main characters. And the trolls if they were rats would probably be sewer rats instead of garbage rats.

    I don’t know why but since we’ve started taking about rat movies: I suddenly want to watch Willard and Ben.



  107. Purple State is sponsored by GlaxoSmithKline says:

    I love you, Littlest Angel.

    And you should love me in return.


  108. pags2 says:

    RUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:
    pags2, don’t forget the closeted republican hypocrites!

    The bottomless pit of perdition is going to be SRO. I wonder if Ticketmaster is doing advance sales.


  109. TheVeritableBuddhist says:

    @112

    While you and I may not agree on some things (and I think that’s obvious), I find the ad hominem attacks around here tiring myself. I think some people just do it to take out frustration, or perhaps as some kind of revenge, but not everybody does. And definitely not all of the time.


  110. gummitch -- this space for rent says:

    Biz If you’re talking about the Pixar Ratatouille movie…I haven’t seen it yet.

    I still think Wall-E and Toy Story were their best films.

    Yeah, having a six year old, you get to watch ALL the pixar adventures. There is an imaginitive, creative rat who becomes a gourmet chef, and yet his ‘pack’ doesn’t get it, that he wouldn’t ear garbage. The trolls just remind me of the garbage loving rat pack…

    Rataouille was made for foodies, IMO. All the kitchen scenes are a love affair with cooking. If you haven’t seen UP, you should (see my personal blog, RU) even though the six-year-old won’t get as much of it as you will.

    Recently watched Nine, as well, and highly recommend it for creative animation.


  111. jmunny says:

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  112. ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:

    Before we move on, I’d like to express my support for STORM in his struggle to accept himself as God made him. It must be a miserable existence to be so conflicted: believing in an ideology that largely despises the truth of your own sexual identity.

    It doesn’t have to be that way, STORM. You can be accepted for who you are. Of course, it might require a total reversal of all of your heretofore cherished political beliefs. But isn’t peace of mind worth that?


  113. vinylspear, sponsored by Sunless Tanning Solutions says:

    A unibrow does not an inbred make…
    however cro-magnon comes to mind


  114. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    The Littlest Angel says:
    98, So you’re trying (and failing) at accusing “bothwrong” of being an inbred person, is that it? Why? Because he categorically disproved (albeit in a cynical manner) what you said? Is this your revenge?

    No, your reading comprehension seems to be equivilant to his though.

    I’m accusing him of being a dumb sob because he failed to make any sense.

    It’s not revenge, it’s expose. Same thing is happening with you apparently.


  115. ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:

    The Littlest Angel says:
    98, So you’re trying (and failing) at accusing “bothwrong” of being an inbred person, is that it?

    Well, if that was what Fred was trying to do, it seems that he succeeded, since you picked up on it.


  116. vinylspear, sponsored by Sunless Tanning Solutions says:

    I voted STORM up for having an epiphany and then coming here to share it publicly.


  117. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    jmunny says:

    Your evidence is very misleading how it is presented.

    It’s well known facts among the enlightened. Look it up.

    I’m not here to prove anything to you. You didn’t provide anything to disprove my assersions so what does that make your statement?


  118. ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:

    jmunny says:

    If less people get married in MA then of course the divorces per 1,000 people would be less.

    jmunny clearly doesn’t get the concept of “per 1000 people”.

    Makes it tough to use statistical analysis to prove a point. (My guess is they like it that way.)


  119. angels81 says:

    I agree with ralph, it must have been hard for STORM to out himself on a progressive blog. There may be hope for you yet, now that you have unloaded that monkey that was on your back. There’s hope for ya brother.


  120. ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:

    Fred, it appears that my earlier positive assessment of our new friend The Littlest Angel may have been mistaken.

    Or it could be that his act is more sophisticated than we’re used to from a parody troll. We’ll have to wait and see.


  121. bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:

    gummitch — this space for rent says:
    Biz If you’re talking about the Pixar Ratatouille movie…I haven’t seen it yet.

    I still think Wall-E and Toy Story were their best films.

    Yeah, having a six year old, you get to watch ALL the pixar adventures. There is an imaginitive, creative rat who becomes a gourmet chef, and yet his ‘pack’ doesn’t get it, that he wouldn’t ear garbage. The trolls just remind me of the garbage loving rat pack…

    Rataouille was made for foodies, IMO. All the kitchen scenes are a love affair with cooking. If you haven’t seen UP, you should (see my personal blog, RU) even though the six-year-old won’t get as much of it as you will.

    Recently watched Nine, as well, and highly recommend it for creative animation.

    I’ll look into it. Do you have any more recommendations for good animation?

    Nine was really enjoyable…I still really liked the cat skeleton robots and the soul stealing master robot was pretty awesome as well.


  122. RUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:

    Strom is currently incommunicado.

    He’ll be back after a short devil shaking intermission.

    And denying everything.


  123. angels81 says:

    Littlest Angel, only taking storm on what he posted in his own words. Nothing more, nothing less.


  124. USNclerk says:

    @126. How do you know he’s not? how does he know he’s not? Who appointed you to be his defender? I’m sure he can stand up for himself should he choose to.


  125. jmunny says:

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  126. RUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:

    Do I detect an authentic wailing and gnashing of teeth @# 126?


  127. Hoodathunk(sponsored by the Church of Holy Beer) says:

    Why do fundy trolls always speak in biblical cliches?


  128. angels81 says:

    littlest Angel,

    wait for what?


  129. ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:

    The Littlest Angel says:
    121, Next you’ll be calling STORM a Sodomite when it’s clear that he is no such thing.

    Can you explain why you find a judgment of an anonymous poster’s personal habits a “clear” thing?


  130. USNclerk says:

    @136. Of which truth do you speak? There seems to be a differing of opinions on what constitutes the truth.


  131. jmunny says:

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  132. vinylspear, sponsored by Sunless Tanning Solutions says:

    Littlest Angel, we are very proud of STORM today.
    No tar or feathers.
    For the first time in the history of this board has a xenophbic, gay bashing white aryan supremacist troll come out into the public to admit his true sexual orientation.


  133. Hoodathunk(sponsored by the Church of Holy Beer) says:

    And I would like anyone to provide one documented instance where a sinner was smitten by a lightning bolt as a direct result of said sinning. Just one in 2,000 years. (Old Testament mythology doesn’t count)


  134. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:
    Fred, it appears that my earlier positive assessment of our new friend The Littlest Angel may have been mistaken.

    I don’t find parody trolls amusing either. The only one that pulls it off if what the gop really means…


  135. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    jmunny says:

    Yes I do understand the concept of per 1000 people, but I don’t think you understand a key part of this. Just because there are more divorces per 1000 people that does not mean that a larger percentage of marriages end in divorce in any give state.

    uh, yes it god damned sure does. It’s a ratio which is a percentage.

    go to school honey.


  136. bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:

    ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:
    Fred, it appears that my earlier positive assessment of our new friend The Littlest Angel may have been mistaken.

    Or it could be that his act is more sophisticated than we’re used to from a parody troll. We’ll have to wait and see.

    I’ll go with the second option. It’s only a matter of time before it goes into a rant about how we’re all satanists. Yes for the atheists on TP…you’re now Satanists. For the Christians who actually act Christ-like or at least do their best to help not harm others…the fundies would like to tell you, “f**k you! You’re going to hell, sinner!” For everyone who isn’t Christian…see what happened to the “not true Christians”. If you’re Muslim…sometimes that “f**k you sinner attitude” is followed by hateful rants and escalation of violence. Fundie heaven must suck…I’ll stick with Valhalla.


  137. Game of Life says:

    I Love It!

    Now they need to legalize pot.


  138. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    jmunny says:

    I figured you would not stand by your statistics.

    I stand by them. Did you have to look up how to spell statistics?


  139. vinylspear, sponsored by Sunless Tanning Solutions says:

    #147 HELL YES!!!


  140. bizarrobrain (brought to you by The Citadel of Satanic Kitten Worship and Tidy Cat) says:

    The Littlest Angel,
    someones got a lil’ cherubic chubby for Rush.


  141. Hoodathunk(sponsored by the Church of Holy Beer) says:

    I wonder if our statistician can explain why he thinks anyone would do a pole concerning marriage and divorce and use the entire population as a baseline.


  142. Game of Life says:

    It mean spouses can make decisions based on all the advantages and disadvantages marriage brings.

    For example emergency medical care.

    It’s about freakin time.


  143. USNclerk says:

    @147. It would make things easier, regulate it like alcohol and just reap teh rewards.


  144. Hoodathunk(sponsored by the Church of Holy Beer) says:

    By trollish standards, the divorce rate in any given area for people under twelve is 0%. And dead people never get divorced either.


  145. linzloo08 brought to you by I Want My Country Back, Inc.!! says:

    @153
    One reward would be extra revenue…


  146. linzloo08 brought to you by I Want My Country Back, Inc.!! says:

    Which would more than pay for HCR…


  147. ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:

    jmunny says:

    If less people are getting married in MA(which is what people said would happen if same sex marriages were legal) then of course there would be less divorces there as well. To prove his point Fred should have shown the percentage of marriages that end in divorce, his information is lacking at best.

    First of all, when discussing number, it’s proper to use the term “fewer”. “Less” refers to degree or non-countable amount.

    Second, you have a point about fewer marriages per 1000 people logically accounting for fewer divorces per 1000 people. But you didn’t bother to research the relative marriage rates in each state, did you?

    You just claimed the possibility exists for a misrepresentation without actually demonstarting one had been committed.

    If you had, you would have found that while Massachusetts (to continue Fred’s example) does account for fewer marriages per 1000 people, but the number sof those marriages that end in divorce is about a third, while Arkansas, for example, sees close to half of its marriages end in divorce. Kentucky sees more than half end in divorce (in 2007, KY had a marriage rate of 7.9 per 1000 residents and a divorce rate of 4.7 — well more than half.)

    Thus the divorce rate per 1000 marriages is still markedly higher in Arkansas (and Kentucky) than in Massachusetts.


  148. linzloo08 brought to you by I Want My Country Back, Inc.!! says:

    @157 Ralph, why are you wasting your breath trying to explain the concept of divorce rates to Jimminy Cricket? He’s made it quite obvious how incredibly dense he is..


  149. linzloo08 brought to you by I Want My Country Back, Inc.!! says:

    It’s pretty obvious that the majority of the divorces here in te U.S. happen in “Bible Belt” states..The area also leads the rest of the U.S. in the consumption of internet pornography, in case you didn’t know.



  150. linzloo08 brought to you by I Want My Country Back, Inc.!! says:

    So much for family values…


  151. linzloo08 brought to you by I Want My Country Back, Inc.!! says:

    What did bishop Harry Jackson have to say about this? He’s been fighting same-sex marraige legislation in D.C. since the battle began last year.


  152. linzloo08 brought to you by I Want My Country Back, Inc.!! says:

    He’s the one who predicted that it wouldn’t “fly” in D.C. because of the large African American and Hispanic presence there..I guess he was wrong!


  153. jmunny says:

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  154. linzloo08 brought to you by I Want My Country Back, Inc.!! says:

    Jimminy Cricket, fred can read..Unlike you!


  155. ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:

    jmunny says:
    The divorces are the number of divorces per 1000 people. It has nothing to do with the number of marriages.

    Really? The number of divorces has nothing to do with the number of marriages? You sure you want to stick with that declaration?

    Your post only gives half of the story

    Your post didn’t even give a fraction of the story. Your post was the equivalent of a local news “tease” going into a commercial.


  156. jmunny says:

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  157. Xisithrus says:

    The Littlest Angel says: 84, I have stood tall for Jesus. There is no place for you, the cynic, in heaven.

    The problem I see here is that Jesus said love thy neighbor as yourself whereas you seem to be quoting Leviticus in you condemnation of the free will God gave his children.


  158. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    jmunny says:

    LOL you don’t even understand what you posted. The divorces are the number of divorces per 1000 people. It has nothing to do with the number of marriages. Your post only gives half of the story, the sad part is that you don’t even understand it.

    were all the people that divorced married honey?

    Are you actually going to push the fallacy that the about the same percentages of people get married in our country no matter where they live?

    Did you read Ralph’s post? Was it to much of a knife in your black heart for you to respond to honey.

    The black art of distorting statistics is a tool the right uses.


  159. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    jmunny says:

    Actually I did research it

    no proof?

    Shocker!


  160. Xisithrus says:

    The divorce rate in America for first marriage, vs second or third marriage
    50% percent of first marriages, 67% of second and 74% of third marriages end in divorce, according to Jennifer Baker of the Forest Institute of Professional Psychology in Springfield, Missouri.”

    According to enrichment journal on the divorce rate in America:
    The divorce rate in America for first marriage is 41%
    The divorce rate in America for second marriage is 60%
    The divorce rate in America for third marriage is 73%
    http://www.divorcerate.org/


  161. Xisithrus says:

    The divorce rate in America for first marriage, vs second or third marriage
    50% percent of first marriages, 67% of second and 74% of third marriages end in divorce, according to Jennifer Baker of the Forest Institute of Professional Psychology in Springfield, Missouri.”

    According to enrichment journal on the divorce rate in America:
    The divorce rate in America for first marriage is 41%
    The divorce rate in America for second marriage is 60%
    The divorce rate in America for third marriage is 73%
    http://www.divorcerate.org/


  162. jmunny says:

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  163. Xisithrus says:

    TP did the double post!! Not me! Heh.


  164. pags2 says:

    The Littlest Angel says:
    I have stood tall for Jesus. There is no place for you, the cynic, in heaven.

    Jesus hung around with a prostitute.
    Jesus hung around with a group of unemployed guys.
    Jesus turned water into wine to keep everyone plied with liquor.
    Jesus vandalized the moneychangers stalls in the temple.
    Jesus wore a toga.

    Sounds like a party animal to me.


  165. jmunny says:

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  166. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    jmunny, when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.


  167. jmunny says:

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  168. Mr.Duke says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  169. jmunny says:

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  170. ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:

    jmunny says:

    Actually I did research it and you will see that the actual divorce percentage has gone from 35% in 1990 to 39% in 2007. More than a 10% increase

    Well, it appears you were researching the wrong thing, then, because this statistic you produced to “prove” you had “researched it” has nothing to do with either Fred’s point or the one you originally hinted at making.

    Had you researched the argument you were trying to make (that simply citing divorces per 1000 camn misrepresent the actual comparative rate of divorce across states) you would have learned that Fred’s point is a valid one. The relevant statstics bear that out.

    perhaps that’s why you didn’t mention this “research”. Maybe you understood that your argument was a theoretical rather than a practical one even thoiugh you presented as the opposite. But my guess is that yopu didn’t bother researching at all, you just spotted what you figured was a fatal flaw in Fred’s reasoning and hoped it would be enough to discredit him.

    No such luck.

    So my point clearly stands that A) Fred does not understand the information he posted and B) His information does not show the complete picture.

    That may be the point you were trying make, but the one that actually comes through is that you are thoroughly confused by statistics and have no business trying to use them to either advance argumenst or discredit others.


  171. ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:

    Mr. Dupe must have been distracted this morning. He’s usually “on top” of gay stories here much more eagerly.


  172. gummitch -- this space for rent says:

    jmunny says:

    ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    jmunny says:
    The divorces are the number of divorces per 1000 people. It has nothing to do with the number of marriages.

    Really? The number of divorces has nothing to do with the number of marriages? You sure you want to stick with that declaration?

    No it is not a percentage of marriages, it is merely the ratio of divorces per 1000 people. Without connecting the marriage rate it has nothing to do with the percentage of marriages that end in divorce.

    I have to admit, jmunny has a point. Therefore, I spent a few more minutes digging and found the information at FiveThirtyEight (unsurprisingly).

    The table below details the divorce rates for the 43 states that reported their divorce statistics to the CDC in both 2003 and 2008. It is calculated by taking the total number of divorces in the state that year, and dividing it by the number of married persons, as reported by the Census Bureau. The result is then multiplied by two, since each divorce involves two people. This is different than how the divorce rate is sometimes calculated, which may be as a share of the overall population rather than the number of married persons; I prefer my approach because it will not penalize a state for having a lot of marriages (and therefore more opportunities for divorce). However, there are also more complicated versions of the divorce rate calculation that account for the age of the married couples, and so forth; these are probably superior, but mine is intended to be a simple approach. The table also lists the percentage change in the divorce rate between 2003 and 2008, and the current status of gay marriage and domestic partnerships within each state.

    Farther down the page:

    Overall, the states which had enacted a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage as of 1/1/08 saw their divorce rates rise by 0.9 percent over the five-year interval. States which had not adopted a constitutional ban, on the other hand, experienced an 8.0 percent decline, on average, in their divorce rates. Eleven of the 24 states (46 percent) to have altered their constitutions by 1/1/08 to ban gay marriage experienced an overall decline in their divorce rates, but 13 of the 19 which hadn’t did (68 percent).


  173. USNclerk says:

    @183. Perhaps he was receiving this time. ;P


  174. pags2 says:

    All these posts about the divorce rate are meaningless. Without the number of cohabitating households, the divorce rate does not really reflect the true status of marriage.


  175. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    jmunny says:

    Are you seriously that dumb?

    Right back at ya honey. The figures I used came from the US Census and it’s the way these things are calculated by people not wanting to distort thier meaning.

    Also the same method used by divorcereform.org http://www.divorcereform.org/94staterates.html

    And Times online:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/article396496.ece

    But in fact Massachusetts has the lowest divorce rate in the country at 2.4 divorces per 1,000 inhabitants. Texas, which until recently made private gay sex a crime, has a divorce rate of 4.1.

    If the distraction you wish to throw into the mix mattered one iota don’t you think that these research groups would have taken it into consideration?

    You won’t find the data you want to use because it’s irrelivant.

    Everyone who gets divorced is by definition married to begin with honey. Try to wrap your meth eaten brain around it.


  176. Xisithrus says:

    Overall, the states which had enacted a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage as of 1/1/08 saw their divorce rates rise by 0.9 percent over the five-year interval

    Interesting, Banning same sex marriages increased, not decreased, divorces as the family focus groups would have you believe the opposite.


  177. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    gummitch — this space for rent says:

    I have to admit, jmunny has a point. Therefore, I spent a few more minutes digging and found the information at FiveThirtyEight (unsurprisingly).

    So what you proved is that jumunny’s assertion had no significant affect on the results?


  178. Eugene Debs sponsered by the Church of the presumptious assumption says:

    Mr Duke

    You cant stop or contain his monumental stupidity. Day after day Dukie HAS to prove how blindingly stupid he is with the most ignorant, punkass troll posts imaginable. His posts should come with a warning. CAUTION staggering levels of stupidity ahead.



  179. Xisithrus says:

    If ignorance were cinder blocks Duke would be speaking from Mars.


  180. gummitch -- this space for rent says:

    fred: So what you proved is that jumunny’s assertion had no significant affect on the results?

    I’m not sure what his assertion was, frankly, other than that the methodology needed work. In that regard, I’ll take Nate Silver’s opinion every time.


  181. jmunny says:

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  182. Xisithrus says:

    *note I do not view ignorance as stupidity as an intelligent person can be ignorant thru sheer will power.


  183. Xisithrus says:

    You would then compare that 45% to the 40% in MA and come to the conclusion that 5% more marriages end in divorce in Alabama. -Jwest

    Seems to me that would be true only if each state had 1000 people and this is why percentages are misleading.


  184. shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:

    ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    The Littlest Angel says:
    121, Next you’ll be calling STORM a Sodomite when it’s clear that he is no such thing.

    Can you explain why you find a judgment of an anonymous poster’s personal habits a “clear” thing?

    Obviously, they know each other personally. I’m guessing they are in the same closet together, and Angel is very upset that Storm accidently opened the door.


  185. jmunny says:

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  186. ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:

    jmunny, I explained in clear, relevant numbers why Fred’s point was valid. I even gave you links where you could check them out yourself.

    Yet here you are, reduced to running your simplistic argument again, in even simpler terms, in the hope that someone won’t realize that it has no impact on the actual data. The facts bear out Fred’s contention, as both gummitch and I have made clear after acknowledging that you have a point. Yes, you have a point, but it is insignificant in this instance. Even accounting for the objection you make, red states still have higher divorce rates on average than blue states.

    I know that must be tough for you to accept, hence your long, drawn-out search for a loophole, but reality, in the end, is immovable. All your spinning and protesting won’t alter the data.


  187. Xisithrus says:

    4.5% of 2 million people is 90,000 whereas 4.0% of 4 million is 160,000.

    The state with the lower divorce rate still has more divorces.


  188. Hoodathunk(sponsored by the Church of Holy Beer) says:

    Is it just me or is someone saying that 4.5 isn’t more than twice 2?


  189. ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:

    jmunny says:
    Everyone who gets divorced is by definition married to begin with honey. Try to wrap your meth eaten brain around it.

    This is the dumbest statement I have heard.

    It’s a whole lot less dumb than “the number of marriages has nothing to do with teh number of divorces”, which someone tried to claim earlier.

    You gotta admit that’s a lot dumber.


  190. shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:

    So, jmunny’s argument is that divorce rates are skewed because of all the liberals from blue states going to red states to get divorced. That is quite a theory.


  191. Hoodathunk(sponsored by the Church of Holy Beer) says:

    I think I see the logical path here. If two people meet in Kentucky, get married in Alabama and divorced in Massachusetts, are they still first cousins?


  192. pags2 says:

    I would add another item that is relevant to divorce statistics. Some states still recognize common law marriages. These marriages do not have certificates on file with the state Bureau of Vital Statistics. However, these marriages may result in a divorce decree. You are chasing your tails with statistics.


  193. Xisithrus says:

    I dont think the number of people getting married in, say, Vegas then flying back to where they came from is enough to make any statistical difference if thats the point J$ was trying to make.


  194. shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:

    I think all those liberals are traveling to red states to get divorced just to make conservatives look bad.


  195. ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:

    jmunny says:
    marriage rates of actual residents per 1000 compared to divorced rates of actual citizens is the only correct way to measure this.

    jmunny, you seem focused on comparing rates of divorce between states when calculated by number of marriages. Fair enough. Have you checked out the link provided by gummitch, which measures exactly that?

    What did it tell you?

    Did it tell you that Massachusetts had the lowest divorce rate as a share of marriages in the nation?

    And that Arkansas, Wyoming, Mississippi, Idaho, Kentucky and Alaska all had divorce rates well more than double that of Massachusetts, when accounting for number of marriages, as you demand?

    In fact, leave out Nevada (which obviously has skewed numbers) those blue states I noted have the highest divorce rates in the nation using the claculation that you demand.

    Did you happen to notice that, jmunny?

    So you went through all this effort for nothing. Congratulations.


  196. Fred ♪♫♪ says:

    pags2 says:
    You are chasing your tails with statistics.

    Many government programs use these exact statistics to make serious decisions.

    Most of mine came directly from the census bureau.


  197. Hoodathunk(sponsored by the Church of Holy Beer) says:

    Considering the wide variations in state laws on the requirements for marriage and divorce, certain states will invariably see a small increase in their rates, depending on the requirements. States where it is easier to get married should see a variance from people coming in to take advantage of lower requirements. The same can be said for states where it is easier to get a divorce.

    This is why the overall per capita ratings are not focused on these points.


  198. just the bleepn facts says:

    Maybe jmunny can explain why conservative evangelicals have the highest divorce rates and atheists have the lowest? ;)


  199. RUCerious Brought to you by MalWart your source for cheap plastic crap says:

    jimminy, rub those legs together harder.

    It’ll make more noise.


  200. shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:

    just the bleepn facts says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    Maybe jmunny can explain why conservative evangelicals have the highest divorce rates and atheists have the lowest? ;)

    I’m guessing it’s because all those liberal atheists become conservative evangelicals before they get divorced just to make the conservative evangelicals look bad.


  201. Exit Stage Left says:

    dbadass says:
    Can someone explain to me once and for all how this marriages threaten their neighbors nongay marriages?

    I’ve been divorced multiple times….There’s gotta be summa dem gay folk ’round here sumplace.


  202. ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama Milk Council® says:

    OOPS. I meant, “those RED states I noted have the highest divorce rates”

    Poop.


  203. pags2 says:

    Fred ♪♫♪ says:
    pags2 says:
    You are chasing your tails with statistics.

    Many government programs use these exact statistics to make serious decisions.

    Most of mine came directly from the census bureau.

    I understand your use of statistics. But states that have a high cohabitation and lower marriage, it would appear in the stats as state with low divorce rate compared to other states. Contrast a state that has a high marriage rate and a low cohabitation rate. Assuming divorce rates are similar, then this state would show stat as a higher divorce rate. The divorce stats become meaningless if you are trying to use them to find a relationship to other stats such as juvenile delinquency.


  204. Democrat Soldier says:

    #58 – The Littlest Angel says:
    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.
    ——————————————————-
    “God is in his heaven sitting upon his throne, crying for his country.”
    March 9th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    THAT is true! Although, God will be happy when America stand up for ALL citizens and grants them ALL equal rights! Once America embraces American values and treats everyone the same, God will then forgive the “c”hristians who hate American values and wish to force gays into a permenant second-class citizen nomenclature.


  205. conservative guy says:

    Who gives a shit.


  206. ebbAndflow says:

    Who gives a shit. (about what) conservative guy says:
    March 9th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Much more accurate.


  207. just the bleepn facts says:

    conservative guy says:
    Who gives a shit.

    On the negative side, apparently buttblight and the rest of you “social conservatives” that think the rapture is coming and any number of other psychotic delusions.

    On the positive side, people that actually care about equal rights for their fellow Americans. No surprise you and your fellow conservative d**chebag teabagger domestic terrorists don’t give a sh!t about anyone but yourself! Shocker!


  208. dbadass says:

    Who gives a shit.


    you and your goofy friends…


  209. PolicyNorth says:

    Dammit. This takes away tourism from Ontario.


  210. bitblt says:

    #
    #
    Xisithrus says:

    The Littlest Angel says: 84, I have stood tall for Jesus. There is no place for you, the cynic, in heaven.

    The problem I see here is that Jesus said love thy neighbor as yourself whereas you seem to be quoting Leviticus in you condemnation of the free will God gave his children.
    March 9th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Since you obviously didn’t know, when Jesus said in Matthew 22

    The Greatest Commandment

    34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

    37Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’b 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’c 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

    to “Love your neighbor as yourself,” He – Christ – was quoting Leviticus, as He often did.

    Leviticus 19

    18“‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.

    “Love your neighbor as yourself,” would obviously be a moral action. How does one act morally toward one’s neighbor? One acts morally toward one’s neighbor by not harming one’s neighbor, which would include not having illicit sex – such as adulterous sex or homosexual sex, for instance, with one’s neighbor. Leviticus 18 makes what is illicit sex obvious, and adultery and homosexual sex are included.

    Of course, it seems to bit that the Matthew 22 quote really means that one can’t do the second greatest command without doing the first greatest command. This would mean, at least to bit, that the second greatest command doesn’t apply or is irrelevant to those who don’t do the first greatest command.

    Those holding to the second greatest command but not the first greatest command might make acceptable Democrats, but as Christians they would be sorely lacking.

    In addition, if Christ making the, “Love your neighbor as yourself” command popular and important to you, it would seem to bit that Christ quoting Genesis in Matthew 19 would be important to you. Here, Jesus says this “one flesh” relationship, a marriage, between a man and a woman is the Creator’s intent.

    Matthew 19

    4“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’a 5and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’b? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”

    bit tends to think the Districts authority doesn’t began to match Christ’s.


  211. bitblt says:

    Democrat Soldier says:

    #58 – The Littlest Angel says:
    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.
    ——————————————————-
    “God is in his heaven sitting upon his throne, crying for his country.”
    March 9th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    THAT is true! Although, God will be happy when America stand up for ALL citizens and grants them ALL equal rights! Once America embraces American values and treats everyone the same, God will then forgive the “c”hristians who hate American values and wish to force gays into a permenant second-class citizen nomenclature.
    March 9th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    bit wonders if posters has a book, chapter, and verse for any of this. Well?

    John Adams said the constitutional form of government would only work for a religions and moral people.

    Homosexuality[1] is immoral and immorality breeds immorality. Immorality breeds corruption, and corruption breeds corruption. This would seem obvious when talking about the Dirstrict.

    [1]
    1. Adultery, extra marital
    2. Fornication, pre-marital
    3. Polygamy
    4. Homosexuality
    5. Bestiality
    6. Pedophilia
    7. Numerous other – philia’s


  212. Democrat Soldier says:

    #226 – bitblt says:
    ————————————————————
    “bit wonders if posters has a book, chapter, and verse for any of this. Well?”
    March 10th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Bitbit STILL has not explained why anyone should consider Bitbit to be anything other than a neophyte concerning the Bible. Bitbit ONLY regurgitates verse that support Bitbit’s prejudices. Bitbit has not provided ANY example of Bitbit’s self-proclaimed knowledge of the Bible.

    My prof is as follows:
    Luke 6:31
    31And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.


  213. Democrat Soldier says:

    #225 – bitblt says:
    ———————————————————–
    “bit tends to think the Districts authority doesn’t began to match Christ’s.”
    March 10th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Bitbit has NO authority to teach others about the Bible! Bitbit has never once substantiated Bitbit’s credentials concerning the Bible.

    Bitbit only picks and chooses the verses of the Bible that support Bitbit’s prejudices, and ignores all other verses!

    For proof of Bitbit’s “pick and choose” approach to the Bible one only need to ask why Bitbit refuses to support this verse:

    Leviticus 20:9 (King James Version)
    9For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.

    Bitbit will find some special, lawyer’s reason for why Bitbit refuses to support this verse, while any verse that supports Bitbit’s prejudices MUST be followed to the letter.

    Bitbit proves that Bitbit doesn’t know the Bible as much as Bitbit claims.


  214. bitblt says:

    For proof of Bitbit’s “pick and choose” approach to the Bible one only need to ask why Bitbit refuses to support this verse:

    Leviticus 20

    7“‘Consecrate yourselves and be holy, because I am the Lord your God. 8Keep my decrees and follow them. I am the Lord, who makes you holy.b

    9“‘If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother, and his blood will be on his own head.

    10“‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

    Why would a Christian curse his father of mother?

    Anytime DS wants to contribute to a thread about caring for elderly parents, bit is ready.

    This is a thread about SSGM.

    Regardless of how bit deals with this Leviticus 20: 9 scripture, it doesn’t change what Christ said about marriage in Matthew 19.

    Does poster think people who participate in immoral behavior – like adultery and homosexuality – can follow Leviticus 20:8 above?


  215. Democrat Soldier says:

    #229 – bitblt says:
    ————————————————————
    “Anytime DS wants to contribute to a thread about caring for elderly parents, bit is ready.”
    March 12th, 2010 at 10:38 am

    Bitbit has never confirmed Bitbit’s supposed credentials concerning the Bible. Bitbit proves to everyone that Bitbit is only a neophyte who regurgitates Biblical verse to support Bitbit’s prejudices.

    Simply put, Bitbit is incapable of logically, ethically or honestly debating anything concerning the Bible.



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