Rove Falsely Claims Bush Administration Never Said Iraqi Oil Revenue Would Help Pay For War
Rove Falsely Claims Bush Administration Never Said Iraqi Oil Revenue Would Help Pay For War
In his new book and in recent media appearances promoting it, former top Bush aide Karl Rove has been revising the history of the Iraq war, particularly regarding the issue of Saddam Hussien’s alleged weapons of mass destruction.
Today on NBC’s Meet the Press, Rove continued with his Iraq war history revision campaign. Noting that the Bush administration had mishandled the management of the war, host Tom Brokaw mentioned that “the cost of the war skyrocketed almost from the beginning. There was not a sharing of the oil revenue that a lot of people had promised.” But Rove flatly denied that the Bush administration said Iraqi oil revenues would help pay for the war:
ROVE: No, no. Tom with all due respect that was not the policy of our government that we were going to go into Iraq and take their resources in order to pay for the cost of the war. … [T]he suggestion that somehow or another the administration had as its policy, “We’re going to go in to Iraq and take their resource and pay for the war” is not accurate.
Watch it:
Rove’s claim is simply not true. In fact, days after the U.S. invasion, then-Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz told a congressional panel that Iraqi oil revenues would help pay for reconstructing the country, i.e. a cost of the war. “The oil revenue of that country could bring between 50 and 100 billion dollars over the course of the next two or three years. We’re dealing with a country that could really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon,” he said.
One month before the war, then-White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said Iraq “is a rather wealthy country. … And so there are a variety of means that Iraq has to be able to shoulder much of the burden for their own reconstruction.”
Since the start of the Iraq war, the U.S. has spent tens of billions of dollars in reconstruction costs.
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– - Courage and Conscience? Puh-leeze, Rove has neither. Rove’s book should be called Truth or Consequences.
March 14th, 2010 at 11:47 amLies, lies and more lies coming from a fat pig who should be doing the perp walk.
March 14th, 2010 at 11:47 amI forced myself to watch that pig on MTP today; his ability to lie is becoming legendary. Brokaw, to his credit, did come back with follow up to the Rove bullshit (or should I say pig-shit) — something I doubt I’d have seen from Gregory.
March 14th, 2010 at 11:47 amIt should be news when Rove tells the truth.
March 14th, 2010 at 11:50 amThey’ve got nothing to offer; that’s why they lie.
March 14th, 2010 at 11:51 amWhy is this turd even allowed air time or being allowed to run free, he should be in jail with the rest of the Shrub’s crime family.To make Iraq pay for it’s reconstruction is ludicrous and it seems to imply a justification for our invasion.We invaded illegally over lies,deciet and misinformation so we should pay for the Shrub’s crime family and it’s policies and to hell with the debt and defict and the Reich wing neo conservatards!!!!!!
March 14th, 2010 at 11:51 amthen he bent over and squeeled like a pig…
March 14th, 2010 at 11:53 amI give Brokaw credit for trying to set the record straight, but what do you do when you’re up against someone who simply will not tell the truth? My first suggestion is don’t allow him back on the program.
March 14th, 2010 at 11:53 amLies (And the Lying Liars Who Tell Them): A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right by Sen. Al Franken.
March 14th, 2010 at 11:55 amRove is a cyst on the buttocks of the Republican Party.
March 14th, 2010 at 11:56 amSo much for the great hope that a journalist of Brokaw’s stature would hold Rove’s feet to the fire Sounded more like a love fest to me
March 14th, 2010 at 11:56 amWell, I think we can all agree on the fact that Karl Rove is a lying sack of shit!
March 14th, 2010 at 11:57 amRove is still trying to rewrite history. He has lost any credibility and every time he opens his mouth he make things worse for the Bush administration. Historians are going to review Rove’s (Bush & Cheney also) statements and they will be discredited. That may apply to statements even if Rove is telling the truth.
March 14th, 2010 at 11:59 amLiar, liar, pants on fire…
As I recall, that was one of the selling points of the Iraq invasion, that the oil revenues would offset the costs of the invasion.
Repiggie reinvention marches on…
Speaking of repiggie reinvention, who is Trigg’s real mommie?
Who is Trigg’s real daddie?
Does CPAC homophobe Ryan Sorba secretly dig guys?
Does biblical fundamentalist Tony Perkins really enjoy oral sex?
March 14th, 2010 at 11:59 amI’m sorry for the OT, but Keith Olbermann’s father passed away yesterday:
http://keitholbermann.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/03/theodore_c_olbermann_1929-2010.html
March 14th, 2010 at 12:00 pm@Marie: I, too, held my nose and watched MTP to see how Brokaw would handle himself with the fat lying pig-faced Karl Rove. I had sent a pre-emptive e-mail to Brokaw at NBC asking him to have the courage of the Greatest Generation and confront the lying sack of crap with the truth and tell him his book was full of lies. Well, Brokaw performed true to form—with a brief push-back–but Rove, like a typical Rethuglican (Liz Cheney, Dick Cheney, Mark Thiessen) loudly talked over him and kept repeating “No,No,No” in defense of his lies. The Rethuglican mantra is IF YOU SAY LIES LOUD ENOUGH AND LONG ENOUGH, THEY BECOME THE TRUTH.</strong> Oh, yes, and never let the interviewer get a word in edgewise to tell the truth. Thank you, “lib’rul” mainstream media. (snark/)
March 14th, 2010 at 12:00 pmNo one should be surprised at this. RoverBoy wrote this book as an “apologia” for the GDumbya/Darth Cheney regime in addition to restating his own self-delusions about himself.
I agree with the earlier post — if Gregory had been hosting, he wouldn’t have pressed this pig with any follow-up questions.
RoverBoy has been all over the place promoting his latest work of fiction. FoxSnooze, of course, where he got the usual soft-ball treatment. But also on Charlie Rose’s show last Friday where he didn’t fare so well.
He is such a pompous, arrogant sycophant! It’s a wonder that more people do not see through him. Appalling!
March 14th, 2010 at 12:01 pmHow long before we see jwest, pezhead, dr.runt or some other loser troll show up singing the praises of fat KKKarl?
March 14th, 2010 at 12:03 pmdr.runt is now playing the role of alfred. This loser doesn’t even hide the fact that he is a phony, a fraud and a complete loser who rapes goats.
March 14th, 2010 at 12:04 pmWhat a pitiful f uck…
March 14th, 2010 at 12:05 pmRemind me again why fat KKKarls nickname is turd blossom???
March 14th, 2010 at 12:05 pmWhy is this lying tub of blubber not in Prison?
And why is the “Liberal Media (LOL)” giving him so much air time to spread his lies?
Rove = Criminal
March 14th, 2010 at 1:06 pmHow long before we see jwest, pezhead, dr.runt or some other loser troll show up singing the praises of fat KKKarl?
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March 14th, 2010 at 1:06 pmThey are all the same housebound socially alienated f uckup…
When I think of how many Americans are in prison right now for smoking pot, while Rove, Bush43 and Cheney remain free, I want to puke.
When I was a student, I struggled to understand how the Nazi prison guards could believe the Jews were not quite human, as a means to justify their cruelty. Modern American Republicans have so disgusted me, I struggle to remember that they too are human.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:06 pmI see dochunt has slipped into his “Alfred” pajamas for a minute.
One would think he’d at least try to alter his voice. Ah, well, maybe he’s given up trying to fool anyone.
Maybe he’ll have a conversation with himself again. that was fun last time.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:07 pmWhere is Dwight whatever the f uck his name is?
March 14th, 2010 at 1:09 pmpsst… Insidious Prophet… we’ve already seen dochunt show up…
don’t look! He’ll know we’re on to him. Just play along…
March 14th, 2010 at 1:09 pmTo loosen the underpinnings of history, simply deny whatever you don’t like about it!
March 14th, 2010 at 1:13 pmHistorians are going to review Rove’s (Bush & Cheney also) statements and they will be discredited.
Uh, pags2, have you heard about the recent textbook kerfuffle in Texas where THOMAS JEFFERSON has been removed from all history books IN FAVOR OF THE INSERTION OF JOHN CALVIN!!! It was also stated in the new textbooks that America is not a democratic government, but a “constitutional republic”.
Conservatives are in complete control of the media in this country, print, TV & radio, and rapidly gaining control of the textbooks which are used in our educational system. We will soon be a nation of dunces, knowing nothing about history, and on the bottom of the educational heap in the world. George W. Bush once said, “Money trumps Peace.” Well, we have now reached the point in our country where “Money trumps Truth.”
March 14th, 2010 at 1:13 pmPerhaps the bigger truth is that they didn’t pay for the war; they didn’t even try.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:14 pmAlfred, you are trying to simplify and narrow down the cause-effect relationship in your OT post @ 18 above. The crisis has multiple causes — it is not solely due to sub-prime loans, Congressional inaction, unqualified buyers, etc., as you seem to suggest.
It was, instead, the result of a “perfect storm” that is multi-factorial. Most of the contributing causes stemmed from a belief that housing costs would continue to increase and a spate of refinancing and home-equity-backed second mortgages by people who thought “the future would be like the past”. But then gas prices soared, home values began plunging, ARMs began to reset as interest rates were increasing, owners panicked as they found they were “underwater”, etc.
Much of the effect of this “perfect storm” was magnified by a republican president and Congress from 2000 to 2006 due to their inattention, over-spending, excessive borrowing, starting two unfunded wars and “what, me worry?” attitude.
We are now in a messy period of rescue, rebuilding and resetting our economy. We are very fortunate to “have the adults in charge” right now. God help us if we had to rely on the republicans to do the right thing!
March 14th, 2010 at 1:16 pmWon’t take the off-topic bait- sorry, Alf. Google the pertinent TP thread(s) where the trolls before you (different sockpuppets) found themselves quickly debunked.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:16 pmglogrrl says:
Controlling grammar school textbooks is not on par with a scholarly dissertation. The conservatives do not control the whole book market.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:18 pmI regularly watched Brokaw in L.A. when he made his bones on the local KNBC news team here. Believe me, his backpedaling off pseudo “tough” questioning of the type Rove represents has not changed, lo these 40 years.
You’re still the same weak wad in that crucial journalist area, aren’t you, Tommy.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:18 pm#8–zxbe–don’t allow him back on the program.
Nice thought, but don’t you remember? Grandmaster Rove’s dancing partner, David Gregory, is the regular host of MTP….I’m sure they’ll be dancing together frequently in the future, in a lovefest of homoerotic sensibilities.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:22 pmThe conservatives do not control the whole book market.
Not yet.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:22 pmRove, just like the other Bush gang members, obviously has only contempt for the truth and those who believe in its ethical, moral value.
He is the former member of the most mendacious administrations in recent history, and should be facing a trial for war crimes rather than spreading lies, rewriting history on national television.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:24 pmtom, be aware as you launch this quixotic adventure, that “Alfred” is really just a sockpuppet of one “doctor” hunt, who has made selling this revisionist tale his raison d’etre here at TP.
You will debate in good faith, offer reasonable arguments and solid supporting authority, and will soon realize that dochunt will ignore your points and increasingly turn to belittling your intellectual capacity in order to explain why his lame points fail to find purchase.
It’s a well-established pattern, and the reason most of us have simply given up on talking reason to this poser and instead just make fun of him.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:27 pmRove’s claim is simply not true. …
…yeah… it prolly is… the way HE parsed it all…
he knows his audience… “keep it stupid, simple.” … visa versa too…
March 14th, 2010 at 1:31 pmwhen in doubt play the name jack charade card… Damn these fools are tiresome…
March 14th, 2010 at 1:33 pmthe roots of the Housing Crisis…
March 14th, 2010 at 1:34 pm—
Change bait and learn to fish poser…
Posse comitatus….
He is addicted to lying and the MSM is his enabler
March 14th, 2010 at 1:36 pmBadmoodman says:
… Rove’s book should be called Truth or Consequences.
except that’s a reminder that there may never be any…
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ok… time to walk away, katy…
must stay upbeat…
must try to stay upbeat…
must try to GET upbeat…
must…
see yaz :-)
March 14th, 2010 at 1:36 pmralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for the Llama
dochunt will ignore your points and increasingly turn to belittling your intellectual capacity
Not to mention his point is flawed from the beginning. See, in his attempt to explain that the government is, somehow, the “root cause”, he links to an article titled “How HUD Mortgage Policy Fed The Crisis”.
See that? “Fed” from “to feed” -as in not the root cause.
In its opening paragraph, the article states:
In 2004, as regulators warned that subprime lenders were saddling borrowers with mortgages they could not afford, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development helped fuel more of that risky lending.
So, where is the “root cause”? Clearly not where “Alfred” is trying to place it.
Arguing with someone whose reading comprehension skills are as poor as Alfred’s is a waste of time. Just vote him down…
March 14th, 2010 at 1:39 pmMeanwhile, Ted Kennedy, Others are to be Assassinated From Texas School Book Depository.
Let the whiteboarding of history continue apace…
March 14th, 2010 at 1:40 pmFrom Saturday’s NYTimes:
Investigators looking into corruption involving reconstruction in Iraq say they have opened more than 50 new cases in six months by scrutinizing large cash transactions — involving banks, land deals, loan payments, casinos and even plastic surgery — made by some of the Americans involved in the nearly $150 billion program.
Some of the cases involve people who are suspected of having mailed tens of thousands of dollars to themselves from Iraq, or of having stuffed the money into duffel bags and suitcases when leaving the country, the federal investigators said. In other cases, millions of dollars were moved through wire transfers.
The new cases seem to confirm what investigators have long speculated: that the chaos,
WEAK OVERSITE and wide use of cash payments in the reconstruction program in Iraq allowed many more Americans who took bribes or stole money to get off scot-free.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/14/world/middleeast/14reconstruct.html?scp=1&sq=iraq%20contractors&st=cse
March 14th, 2010 at 1:41 pmpretend doc. Post anything you wish, it wil not change what you are and what you mhave been shown to be. To be honest I don’t even read your shit…
March 14th, 2010 at 1:41 pmI just skim it for shit to make fun of…
March 14th, 2010 at 1:42 pmWho Said the War Would Pay for Itself?…
March 14th, 2010 at 1:42 pmdbadass says:
when in doubt play the name jack charade card… Damn these fools are tiresome…
Why would anyone namejack someone named Alfred in order to post nondoc’s usual BS, and why would nondoc complain that he was name-jacked? That’s weird.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:44 pmNormally, one would not characterize one’s own statement as “astutely observed”.
Such a judgment is usually left to others to determine… unless, of course, one feels the need to artificially boost one’s credibility through transparent adjectival enhancement…
It just seems a little… obvious, is all.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:45 pm“dr”hunt1? Very small man.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:45 pmI don’t either. He’s lied so many times that it’s a waste of time. I know it’s against your personal policy, but, I just vote the lying cocksucker down and move on.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:46 pmWasn’t Karl Rove part of the Neocon group who wrote ‘A project for a new American century’? Which included the need of a new Pearl Harbor event (9/11?) to quicken the Neocon agenda?
March 14th, 2010 at 1:46 pmThere’s simply no place for you here in the discussion of serious political discourse
March 14th, 2010 at 1:47 pm—Yet still you will refuse to self identify as a sincere conservative voice… Why is that pretender? Look asswipe everyone here knows you are a fraud. The fact that I am the one that smears your nose in it hardly makes me a guitarist. Perhaps you are mistaken me with Star…
Wouldn’t it be nice if the hosts of these shows would point out the lies from these criminals immediately and on the air?
March 14th, 2010 at 1:47 pmCowardly white men who fear their own shadow while clutching guns and bibles as they wave the false flag of patriotism will be the very ruin of our nation.
– Insidious Prophet
March 14th, 2010 at 1:49 pmHaha, dbadass — dochunt said you should go back to “busking your stupid hippie songs at Grand Central Station for spare change” but I’m still “hanging by a thread”.
And you know that dochunt determines all in the social and intellectual hierarchy here. (He also uses these threads for inspiration as he composes the lyrics to myriad execrable 80’s-style pop songs.)
So there.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:49 pmWe better just steer clear of the Springsteen tunes…
March 14th, 2010 at 1:50 pmFritz (God Told Me To Hate Conservatives) says:
Wouldn’t it be nice if the hosts of these shows would point out the lies from these criminals immediately and on the air?
March 14th, 2010 at 1:50 pm————————————————————
It would sure be refreshing wouldn’t it. But don’t hold your breath. Their corporate bosses would quickly fire them if they actually did the jobs expected of them.
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From the Turd, blossoms another LIE.
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March 14th, 2010 at 1:51 pmTrolls and the people who respond to them ruin these discussions.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:51 pmbush minions worked the “pay for itself” meme like a rented mule in ‘02.
only someone of teabagger intelligence could’ve forgotten that by now.
which proves rove knows exactly who he’s “really” talking to.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:52 pmWhat exactly do we know about drhunt1? We know he is a liar. We know he is a seditionist actively preparing to overthrow the government of the United States of America. We know he likes to make death threats and he owns a gun. We know he uses multiple names here to artificially inflate the apparent numbers of wingnuts.
drhunt1 is a fascist propagandist. He has sunk just about as low as a human can sink.
Just because we have voted the fascists out of power, does not mean they are going to disappear. Our fight against Republican fascism has only just begun.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:52 pmThat’s a good policy, dixie, but I’m just a sucker for the printed word, no matter how inane its promise.
Besides, the posts of the “doctorate” are occasionally good for an out-and-out guffaw, and usually provide at least a derisive chuckle.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:53 pmI accept your rebuke in the spirit in which it was intended, Scotty, but c’mon… how many different ways can you say “Karl Rove is a liar”?
March 14th, 2010 at 1:54 pmi like george jones.
and funkadelic.
guess i’ll have to re-register (I) in time for the next election.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:54 pmAlfred: “How can we have a legitimate debate, if you progressives keep voting down my posts? Are you “scared” of the truth?”
Why does Alfred demand that progressives read a Washington Post article about how GW Bush’s HUD screwed up the mortgage market. Doesn’t Alfred realize the thrust of the article? Maybe he should re-read it. Yes, Alfred, we know. Bush and his administration were incompetent. We get it! As the article clearly states, by 2003, HUD researches had realized their mistakes, but Bush’s HUD appointees evidently made matters much worse than they had to be.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:55 pmWhy is it so impossible for people have play through with all their highbrow discussions. I read around all the time. It isn’t hard to do.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:56 pmWhat would really be nice is if NBC would tell Rove to phuck off we are a news organization. We don’t deal in bullsh|t.
But, that’s the problem. NBC News is not a news organization. They are a propaganda machine for the Military Industrial Complex.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:56 pmRachel Maddow would be the perfect host for Meet The Press. IMHO
March 14th, 2010 at 1:57 pmRove was moving his lips so what happened next was a lie by definition. His every utterance is a revision attempt to history.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:57 pmAs long as “Journalists” like Brokaw and Gregory are allowed to enable liars like Rove and Perino, we will continue to see this. Brokaw and his ilk are culpable in the dumming down of America by allowing the noise from the rightwing to overide any serious discussion of our problems and the solutions to them.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:57 pmAs long as they allow people like Rove and Perino to lie and obfuscate, as well as demonize the President for what he is trying to do, this will continue.
righties think that “conflation”, because it sounds latin-y, is a good thing.
they need a glossary of adjectives describing intellectual methodologies and rhetorical styles.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:58 pmKansasLiberal says:
Completely agree with you. Anytime she has moderated MTP, the dicussion has been lively and informative. Plus, she doesn’t let the lying liars get away with their BS.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:59 pmHypocrisy was born of the second lie which was to cover up the first.
March 14th, 2010 at 2:00 pmConservatives, especially fans of Karl Rove, are about as clueless as a person can get. “drhunt,” the silly little troll who used to pretend to be a doctor on these discussions, is a perfect example. He comes on these boards, makes an ass out of himself over and over, and in spite of the fact that he must know most people here are liberals, he thinks he’s getting over??!!
Here’s Dr. Hunt telling liberals on a liberal discussion board what he thinks: “There’s simply no place for you here in the discussion of serious political discourse… Don’t get smug, ralph, you’re hanging on by thread.”
Can you imagine someone so unbelievably clueless and arrogant to type out a statement like that? Yes, we know there is something about modern neoconservatives that is just not right. We know they tend to be authoritarian personalities and that sociopaths are attracted to the dogma. But I think Dr. Hunt provides a very stark example of the kind of delusional self-image these people seem to have.
March 14th, 2010 at 2:00 pmThanks doc.
March 14th, 2010 at 2:01 pmEnrolling in a 100 level class at your local community college might move you closer to that doctorate as well… Have fun blowing pezmiztix. You are a regular old “hedgehog” aren’t you?
The wind blows free – like me. -Doc Hunt
March 14th, 2010 at 2:01 pmFor eight years, if you disputed any of the lies issued ad infinitum from the Bush Cheney administration, you were branded unpatriotic, extremist, aiding the enemy etc. This guy, Rove is still in the mindset that, just because there was no way that they could hear from the dissenters, that we believed them. He, and the rest of the Bush/Cheney revisionists, think they can conduct business as usual. Well, not all of us listen to the lies coming from the propaganda network, Fox News, and thankfully, he did not have the Republican shill, David Gregory interviewing him today. To KKKarl Rove: There’s no way that you love this country; we all know that. You’re a self centered hypocrite that lives in a hate filled bubble, along with Liz Cheney, her daddy, and Bill Kristol, just to name a few.
March 14th, 2010 at 2:02 pmDiscussion, not dicussion! I STILL need spellcheck.
March 14th, 2010 at 2:03 pmAnd more coffee.
“dr”hunt1? Not very bright.
March 14th, 2010 at 2:03 pmLies are hard to remember. Its why liars always get caught with their own words.
March 14th, 2010 at 2:04 pmThe Texas BOE is simply incorporating the resounding victories of republicans in 2006 & 2008 into the curriculum and insisting that republicans are the largest political party in the United States. What’s wrong with the founder’s intent to intentify 2006 & 2008?
March 14th, 2010 at 2:04 pm“dr”hunt1? Liar. Just like Rove.
March 14th, 2010 at 2:05 pmRove is unique! He has told his revisionist lies so often that he has become
March 14th, 2010 at 2:05 pm“self-brainwashed!” What he doesn’t realize is that a washed brain isn’t clean.
i’d like to travel the country documenting the laying-off, foreclosing on, and bankrupting of teabagger americans. maybe capture some scenes of teabagger american tent-city residents, teabaggers in food bank lines, and teabaggers depositing unemployment checks and using food stamps at the market.
sure, it would be cathartic and entertaining on a personal level, but it would also provide conclusive evidence that there is no real teabagger-topia, where righties are all independently wealthy bootstrappers who are completely immune to the ill-effects of the defective status quo they so ardently advocate for.
a big mirror needs to be held in front of them, to force them to stop pretending that the fictions they peddle online are true self-portraits.
March 14th, 2010 at 2:08 pmWhen did Rachel Maddow Moderate on Meet the Press??
I Know she has been a guest Panelist for the roundtable…and I agree…she’s been good.
I’m afraid if MTP was her show, the Republicans would be scared off.
and these shows value “Both Sides” over the Truth.
March 14th, 2010 at 2:08 pmTurd Blossom
March 14th, 2010 at 2:09 pmPiss Petals
Rotten roots
yet earlier the pretend doc was posting TJ quotes. Whatever it is about attention when it comes to complete pussy frauds…
March 14th, 2010 at 2:10 pmA VDT lurks my friends.
March 14th, 2010 at 2:12 pmApparently, Fake drhunt1 is okay with the idea of Texas mandating that we’re going to raise a generation of BIGOTED, RACIST, IGNORANT DUMMIES.
March 14th, 2010 at 2:14 pmThe trollops would be much more believable if they would put ‘I think’ in front of their biased irrational opinions. Okay. I cant back that up. Maybe not more believable but certainly less confused and silly.
March 14th, 2010 at 2:15 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/jefferson_papers/
The complete Thomas Jefferson Papers from the Manuscript Division at the Library of Congress consists of approximately 27,000 documents.
Damnit. I though Jefferson was completely dispensable.
March 14th, 2010 at 2:18 pmdr runt don’t want to talk about his brother liar rove?
shocker!
March 14th, 2010 at 2:18 pmDrhunt…
Why is the “Dispensable Thomas Jefferson” on Mt. Rushmore??
March 14th, 2010 at 2:19 pmdrhunt1 says:
Thomas Jefferson is completely dispensable to the discussion of freedom and democracy. And completely unnecessary to the teaching of American history. The new Texas schoolbooks are a streamlined vision of the future. Get use to it. We’ll have more changes for you come this November.
You can put whatever you want in a textbook, for now. With the current wave of awareness, market forces are bound to shift and the great history departments of the country will have the greater say they should’ve had in the first place.
Not all is on your side, regardless of market forces, however. I mentioned before that students and many teachers don’t like the textbooks for their courses, and teachers will continue to be free to assign their students what they feel is error-free and relevant. The texas BOE won’t be able to regulate that for the rest of the country. The NE has the best education system in the country, so what kind of business does a bunch of religious kooks in Texas have trying to indoctrinate our kids?
Sorry for the O/T, folks.
March 14th, 2010 at 2:21 pmI thought the pretend doctor was leaving. Can this poser be sincere and honest about anything… Just once…
March 14th, 2010 at 2:21 pmwhy isn’t Ronald Reagan on Mr. Rushmore?
March 14th, 2010 at 2:22 pm—
Is it because he was so fiscally irresponsible or because he supported terrorists?
…and a significant portion of the world’s supply of oil will all be put at hazard.
From PNAC letter to Clinton [Jan 1998] signed by PNAC members Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld [among others]
March 14th, 2010 at 2:22 pmwhy isn’t Ronald Reagan on Mr. Rushmore?
Fear of Vandalism?
March 14th, 2010 at 2:23 pmwhy isn’t Ronald Reagan on Mr. Rushmore?
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March 14th, 2010 at 2:23 pmSomeone forgot?
why isn’t Ronald Reagan on Mr. Rushmore?
Because the Raygun they were going to use to carve it out was billions and billions over budget and still wont work.
March 14th, 2010 at 2:24 pmwhy isn’t Ronald Reagan on Mr. Rushmore?
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March 14th, 2010 at 2:24 pmNo one thought it was a “neat idea”?
Why does Fake drhunt1 (alfred) have a problem with teaching American History honestly, and dispassionatley? Does he hate his Country that much?
March 14th, 2010 at 2:25 pmRalph: tom, be aware as you launch this quixotic adventure, that “Alfred” is really just a sockpuppet
Hey, ralph! I may have been born at night . . . but it wasn’t last night. lol
I was taken by alfred’s comment: “How can we have a legitimate debate, if you progressives keep voting down my posts? Are you “scared” of the truth?”
Of course, I didn’t believe that for a moment. However, I decided to experiment a bit so I took a deep breath and composed my response @32 above as if I was talking to someone who really wanted to have a debate (and possessed the capacity to hold up his end of the conversation).
The result was what I expected. Some 60+ posts later, alfred still hasn’t responded to me. Now I can (and will) just go back to voting down idiots like him . . . and flaming one every now and then just for the sheer sport of it.
March 14th, 2010 at 2:25 pmI need to do it again?
*SIGH*
Dr. PARROT, when you said,
I’m outta here…have fun on the blogs, libbies…
at post 122 in the Podesta thread, you were supposed to be leaving.
And then…here you are! Cracker time again!
SQUAWK…SQUAWK…SQUAWK!
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED and WMDs!
SQUAWK…SQUAWK…SQUAWK!
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED and WMDs!
SQUAWK…SQUAWK…SQUAWK!
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED and WMDs!
SQUAWK…SQUAWK…SQUAWK!
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED and WMDs!
March 14th, 2010 at 2:25 pmIs that sincere and honest enough for you…?
March 14th, 2010 at 2:25 pm—
No. no it isn’t. I want you to explain why you insult sincere conservatives by pretending to be one. Is that too freaking difficult lame ass?
Badger, better question; why isn’t Ronald Reagan on Mr. Rushmore?
Mr Rushmore was a top and not a bottom?
March 14th, 2010 at 2:26 pmwhy isn’t Ronald Reagan on Mr. Rushmore?
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March 14th, 2010 at 2:27 pmMaybe Mr. Rushmore doesn’t roll that way…
Why is Fake drhunt1 afraid of a honest look at our history?
March 14th, 2010 at 2:27 pmDr Haunt wants to believe that the founding fathers sought a kleptocratic governance controlled by parasites in DC and wall street.
March 14th, 2010 at 2:32 pm*Head smacks keyboard*
March 14th, 2010 at 2:37 pmWhy is this guy still even on the news?
I think, in much the same way that judges are expected to recuse themselves from deciding cases that they have any conflicting interest in the outcome, that reporters should also recuse themselves for being too close to the politicians that they are interviewing.
March 14th, 2010 at 2:43 pmdbadass says:
yet earlier the pretend doc was posting TJ quotes. Whatever it is about attention when it comes to complete pussy frauds…
Bizarre, huh? fake dr hunt has been posting non-stop real and fake Thomas Jefferson quotes as evidence of everything he’s been bloviating on, and now suddenly Jefferson is irrelevant? WTF?
I am a little surprised the Texans didn’t dedicate a couple of chapters to Cotton Mather, though.
March 14th, 2010 at 2:48 pmWe can’t expect anything rational from drhunt1. He is a propagandist. He will lie about anything to score the pettiest political point. He openly plans for the overthrow of the government of the Unites States of America. He openly threatens the lives of others and enjoys waving his guns in our faces while he does it. He makes multiple names on this blog and has conversations with himself just so someone will appear to agree with him.
He is a felon, a traitor, a bigot, essentially a Republican.
March 14th, 2010 at 2:53 pmtom, my bad..
March 14th, 2010 at 3:00 pmHow can you tell when Rove is lying, answer his mouth is moving. It needs to be said.
March 14th, 2010 at 3:06 pmBadger, better question; why isn’t Ronald Reagan on Mr. Rushmore?
The mountain’s not big enough to accomodate his over-sized ego!
March 14th, 2010 at 3:24 pmI do appreciate dochunt’s inability to own up to his sock-puppetry, thus allowing us to pummel him with it.
Imagine how quickly it would become a non-issue if the good fake doctorate were to say “yeah, I’m Alfred, big deal, let’s move on”. Instead he mumbles something about “name-jacking” and tries to pretend we’re not on to him. It’s delicious.
March 14th, 2010 at 3:29 pmAs usual there is deep wisdom in the llama’s words. Sincerity ane honesty are the first steps on the road to recovery…
March 14th, 2010 at 3:32 pm@133
March 14th, 2010 at 3:33 pmToo bad dr demented is too dense to understand what you are trying to say to them..
At the risk of being forward, how is it that such a young woman is familar with Dr. D? I mean I don’t think that stuff has been on the radio since I was a kid….
March 14th, 2010 at 3:36 pmWhat the GOP REALLY means … says:
The Texas BOE is simply incorporating the resounding victories of republicans in 2006 & 2008 into the curriculum….
They already have the history written for Clinton, Bush and Obama. They just need the proper source books to be written to support their version of history. Bush gave us two glorious wars whereby we established democracy, protected us from terrorist attacks, and helped kickstart the bad economy left by Clinton the philanderer who did nothing of importance. Obama was a socialist rejected by a great number of true Americans who turned out for teaparties.
Did I miss anything?
March 14th, 2010 at 3:53 pm“If the Party could thrust its hand into the past and say this or that even, it never happened—that, surely, was more terrifying than mere torture and death.”
March 14th, 2010 at 4:39 pm- George Orwell, 1984
Who’s Mr. Rushmore?
March 14th, 2010 at 5:01 pmDr. Feelgood’s pharmacy rep?
How long until Rove re-writes history and claims the Bush admin. didn’t start the war in Iraq (or blames it on either Clinton or Obama)?
March 14th, 2010 at 5:43 pmIt’s past time for Mr. Brokaw to retire. He’s not a journalist any more. He’s just another villager who will allow the most outrageous lies rather than risk his access to the guilty parties.
March 14th, 2010 at 5:44 pmpete says:
March 14th, 2010 at 5:50 pmIt’s past time for Mr. Brokaw to retire. He’s not a journalist any more. He’s just another villager who will allow the most outrageous lies rather than risk his access to the guilty parties.
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Agreed. I’ve noticed Brokaw has been basically kissing republican ass for the last few years and he needs to f***ing retire and stop being a shill for the GOP. He used to be a good reporter, now he’s just another talking head.
More ridiculous Republican lies. I truly believe they do not know how to be honest. They are pathetic.
March 14th, 2010 at 5:55 pmdasm says:
March 14th, 2010 at 6:00 pmMore ridiculous Republican lies. I truly believe they do not know how to be honest. They are pathetic.
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They are pathetic and I’m pretty sure if they told the truth…it would probably kill the evil SOB’s.
Stop trying to rewrite Bushitler’s history!
March 14th, 2010 at 6:52 pmWait a minute….is the cost of invading a country and the cost of going in after the invasion is over to fix the infrastructure etc. all part of the cost of a war?
Right, the Bush administration did say that oil revenues would pay for the “reconstruction” of Iraq, but I don’t believe you can force a country to pay you what it cost you to invade their country.
I hate to say this, but this liberal thinks Rove is right on this one, and Ben Armbruster, you are wrong.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:02 pmO/T. It’s all good; dr_stunt was on another thread a while ago pasting fake Lincoln quotes. He apparently found a set of aphorisms which have been wrongly attributed to Lincoln, but didn’t do enough research to find that fact; just threw them up there and said they’re Abraham’s.
In the meantime, is all this crap from turdblossom being cataloged somewhere? It’ll come in handy in the next national campaign. Actually, it would be handy if turdblossom is pimping some gubernatorial or senatorial candidate or candidates in the 2010 round – the Republipimps love playing the guilt by association game so much that part of a campaign against a turdblossom candidate should include the truth about his or her lying help.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:03 pmKscitydude, to sell the war to the American people once again, the Bush Regime basically said, “Don’t worry about the cost! The oil revenues in Iraq will pay for their own reconstruction and you Americans won’t be responsible for it. A cheap affordable no cost war!”.
THEY LIED. THOUSANDS DIED. AMERICA IS STILL BROKE. THE END.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:04 pm@ 146. kscitydude …
My opinion is that the cost of restoring wartime damage is part of the cost of war. You can quibble about that if you want and say that some of that damage is from the period between Gulf War I and “Let’s Do Baghdad” when we just dropped a bomb or two on them now and then and enforced the no-fly zone, etc. I’d say that all of it, including the cost of reconstruction of stuff damaged by suicide bombers, etc, during the insurgency, is war-related damage; it wouldn’t have happened without our involvement.
But that isn’t the point. We’ve paid for a fair amount of reconstruction, including damage to oil-field production and logistics infrastructure. Shrub, Darth, and company were less than honest with the American people about that at the outset, allowing the inference to be drawn that the Iraqis would be footing the bill for their own reconstruction. Of course, you could say that Shrub and company had no intention of doing any “nation building”, of which reconstruction would be a component. Well, Shrub was wrong and Turdblossom is a liar.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:14 pmGranted: Karl Rove is among the most dishonest men in history, still fronting for the most evil presidency. And, Brokaw failed to pursue his question. Unfortunately, this post is just as sloppy as Brokaw, and twists words just as intentionally as Rove’s goons ever did.
Rove’s stated that the revenues were not intended to “pay for the war.” The two quotes used to refute his claim are entirely off point: they mention only “reconstruction.” Such costs are associated with war — but differ from funds to “pay for the war.” Reconstruction is NOT the war, never was, and never will be.
In other words, Rove happened to tell a marginal truth in this particular sentence. However, Wolfowitz and Fleischer intended to mislead listeners into making exactly the assumption this post perpetuates. Shouting that Rove has lied about it now, ignores that the administration intended to mislead us about it then. This is proof that Bush et al executed a deception years ago — Rove simply reminds us that we were duped.
Trying to equate “pay for war” with “cost of reconstruction” makes ThinkProgress look as bad as Rove. Please do better…
March 14th, 2010 at 7:18 pmU.S. has spent tens of billions of dollars in reconstruction costs….while our own infrastructure is crumbing before our eyes, and all because of an illegal, unwarranted invasion/war/occupation that was built on fabrications and aided by enormous, power-mad egos.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:39 pmI have no argument toward those who say, in essence, we broke it;we have to fix it, my argument is that the whole thing shouldn’t have happened. period.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:42 pmWe are paying dearly for Bush&Co, the neocons and the liars.
What is amazing is how much on air time the news companies allow these lying conservanazi pieces of sh!t! The bu$h regime and it’s neocon leaders continue to lie and try to revise history even in the face of volumes of audio and video history that is available.
The conservanazi republikans are just like the Hitler crime cartel. Lie, lie and lie.
“When FASCISM comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag carrying a cross.” Sinclair Lewis
March 14th, 2010 at 7:55 pmOne other thing, the Obama government hasn’t even tried to investigate nor take to court anyone of the bu$hnazis.
As much as I support Obama, it makes him party to either a coverup or a crime.
That’s how the rest of the world views it.
“When FASCISM comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag carrying a cross.” Sinclair Lewis
March 14th, 2010 at 7:59 pmQuote from UnBlinking comment #150:
“In other words, Rove happened to tell a marginal truth in this particular sentence. However, Wolfowitz and Fleischer intended to mislead listeners into making exactly the assumption this post perpetuates. Shouting that Rove has lied about it now, ignores that the administration intended to mislead us about it then. This is proof that Bush et al executed a deception years ago — Rove simply reminds us that we were duped.”
I agree with you 100%, UnBlinking.
March 14th, 2010 at 9:13 pmWhenever Rove says “with all due respect” he has none.
March 14th, 2010 at 9:20 pmLordy. Who knew the wingnuts would toss Thomas Jefferson under the bus??
Kkkarl Rove under the bus I could get behind – but Thomas Jefferson??
March 14th, 2010 at 9:54 pmHow convenient it is for wingnuts to forget that Bush’s administration shortly before 9/11 paid no attention to intelligence warnings that Al Qaeda was determined to attack within the US and about the suspicious number of Arabs enrolled in American flight schools, only wanting to learn to take off and fly but not to land. It is also very convenient for the same wingnuts to forget how Bin Laden was allowed to escape from Tora Bora.
Yes, yes, Bush’s record on preventing terrorism is so good! (sarcasm off)
Dr.Hunt quoting KKKRove:
“Following the horrors of 9/11, this president changed American foreign policy by declaring terror sponsors responsible for the deeds of those they shelter, train, and fund. America, he said, will not wait until dangers fully materialize with attacks on our homeland before confronting those threats.
March 14th, 2010 at 9:58 pmThe president gave the nation new tools to defeat terrorism abroad”
Now that it’s proven Rove is a liar can we now prosecute him for all the other lies he’s committed?
March 14th, 2010 at 10:35 pmHouston blogger “Mugsy” writes about Tom Brokaw giving Rove a pass on his lie, today:
http://mugsysrapsheet.com/2010/03/15/time-traveling-with-karl-rove-and-the-bush-rehabilitation-crew/#respond
March 15th, 2010 at 12:02 amMarie at #151, it appears there may have been many fraudulent charges approved and paid in our nation’s $150 billion worth of reconstruction projects in Iraq:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/14/world/middleeast/14reconstruct.html?src=me
March 15th, 2010 at 12:11 amThese clowns have lied so much, they can’t keep their lies straight…
Here are some upcoming lies, so be ready:
March 15th, 2010 at 7:26 am“No way did the VP shoot his hunting buddy”
“What he actually said was ‘you shouldn’t be on the job, Brownie’”
“We did not authorize public wire-tapping”
“Sarah Palin in brilliant”
If you repeat the lie often enough, it becomes the truth.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:44 amKarl Rove is a perfect example why abortion should be legal and, in some cases, encouraged. Can anyone get a dose of RU-486 and a time machine set for sometime in April 1950?
March 15th, 2010 at 1:11 pmMeet the Press is a freaking joke.
It is now Fox news equivilent.
Brokow and Gregory are Rethug Stenographers.
Still waiting for a Liberal to be invited to that Propaganda show.
RIP Tim Russert
March 15th, 2010 at 1:16 pm“YOU LIE” Mr Rove.
March 15th, 2010 at 1:25 pmToo bad Tom Brokaw couldn’t remember this interview with Andrew Natsios on Nightline in 2003-
TED KOPPEL
(Off Camera) Well, it’s a, I think you’ll agree, this is a much bigger project than any that’s been talked about. Indeed, I understand that more money is expected to be spent on this than was spent on the entire Marshall Plan for the rebuilding of Europe after World War II.
ANDREW NATSIOS
No, no. This doesn’t even compare remotely with the size of the Marshall Plan.
TED KOPPEL
(Off Camera) The Marshall Plan was $97 billion.
ANDREW NATSIOS
This is 1.7 billion.
TED KOPPEL
(Off Camera) All right, this is the first. I mean, when you talk about 1.7, you’re not suggesting that the rebuilding of Iraq is gonna be done for $1.7 billion?
ANDREW NATSIOS
Well, in terms of the American taxpayers contribution, I do, this is it for the US. The rest of the rebuilding of Iraq will be done by other countries who have already made pledges, Britain, Germany, Norway, Japan, Canada, and Iraqi oil revenues, eventually in several years, when it’s up and running and there’s a new government that’s been democratically elected, will finish the job with their own revenues. They’re going to get in $20 billion a year in oil revenues. But the American part of this will be 1.7 billion. We have no plans for any further-on funding for this.
More BS here: http://www.fas.org/sgp/temp/natsios042303.html
So, basically, Andy’s estimation was off by a factor of 1000…and Karl Rove, is, of course, a pathological liar. My only question is why isn’t he in jail right now?
March 15th, 2010 at 2:45 pmI would like to see the clip where the Bush White House said the Iraqi oil would pay for the war. Somehow, Sarah Palin is to blame for this.
March 15th, 2010 at 3:25 pmKarl Rover must have checked into the Gitmo Hotel and waterboarded himself until he forced himself to believe the lies that he’s spreading on his book tour. He broke his own will power. He can’t seem to stop talking and lying. It’s like he’s saying: “You started me talking now I’m telling every lie I know.” He bragged that President Bush kept the “world” safe. If that’s the case–Bush kept the world safe–why, pray tell, were news watchers such as myself, constantly bombarded with terrorists initiated tragedies? Constant bombings and other forms of terrorism never stopped happening all over the world. The real world. Not the fantasy world that Rove the Brain is talking about…like the fantasy WMD’s that didn’t exist.
Does Rove not know the difference between “world” and United States? Bush and Cheney bragged that they kept America safe from terrorism. Nothing like a little embellishment to make the fairy tale more exciting. Exaggerated Tales of Bravery as written Karl Rove, and read on audio by the author himself. I think Rove should check in the Gitmo Hotel again, but this time he shouldn’t leave the room until he’s forced himself to tell the real truth. But I must remember that Rove was a student of Lee Atwater, a down in the mud political player, who would lie faster than a monkey can spit clean his balls.
I would like to hear Rove talk about the “Vulcans” group who traveled to Texas while Bush was governor. They came to teach Bush about foreign policy, a subject that was way above his head. I would like to hear Rove explain the “Project for a New American Century”, a proposal for wars and control. The founders were William “I love a war” Kristol and Robert Kagan. They couldn’t sell Bill Clinton on attacking Iraq, but they had Bush’s ear. This is the story I would to hear Rove tell. Oh, yeah, while he’s at it, I’d like to hear him explain why President Bush was so eager to accept and believe false information that con artist Ahmed Chalabi was more than happy to part with for a huge price tag.
March 15th, 2010 at 6:41 pmWhen there is an article about a liberal getting caught in a lie, do you bash them or do you just blame the accusation on the right?
March 15th, 2010 at 7:32 pmKarl Rove is a perfect example why abortion should be legal and, in some cases, encouraged
March 16th, 2010 at 3:21 amhadmack said:
When there is an article about a liberal getting caught in a lie, do you bash them or do you just blame the accusation on the right?
Nah- I think quite a few liberals would consider John Edwards’ recent antics quite cretinous.
Unfortunately, the more a tale gets told, the more people get suckered into believing it- Hence, the reason why, to this day, people still believe we entered Iraq to rid them of WMDs, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.
March 17th, 2010 at 11:10 amxactly. You can’t hold a çiçek populace accountable for a government that wasn’t elected by a manalı sözler pluraity of the people. Netanyahu’s government is as illegitimate as Bush’s was in 2000 onward.
March 19th, 2010 at 12:17 pmLike most conflicts the Israeli-Palistinian land rights is driven by extremists on both sides while the majority want to be left the hell alone by çiçek siparişi them. *shrug* Israels electoral system gurentees a coalition, I have no doubt that the next oen will be more open çiçekçi to negotiation.
March 19th, 2010 at 12:36 pm