Rep. Lamar Smith Says Reducing Racial Disparity In Crack Cocaine Sentencing Hurts Minorities
Rep. Lamar Smith Says Reducing Racial Disparity In Crack Cocaine Sentencing Hurts Minorities
Yesterday, the House passed the Fair Sentencing Act of 2010, landmark legislation that “changed a quarter-century old law” mandating hugely disproportionate prison terms for powder cocaine over crack cocaine. Enacted in 1986 as part of “a wave of racially-tinged media hysteria,” the law disproportionately targets minorities and “exacerbates racial disparities in the federal prison system.” The new legislation narrows that disparity between powder and crack cocaine from 100-to-1 to 18-to-1.
The bill, which had already passed the Senate, garnered bipartisan support in the House. In fact, precisely because the bill had “the support of conservative stalwarts such as Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), the Prison Fellowship Ministries and activist Grover Norquist,” it sailed through on a voice vote. However, the lone public dissenter of the bill, Rep. Lamar Smith (TX), took to the House floor to rail against Congress for supporting the bill. Despite his party’s assertion to the contrary, Smith insisted that reducing the crack to powder disparity actually hurts minority communities:
SMITH: Despite the devastating impact crack cocaine has had on American communities, this bill reduces the penalties for crack cocaine. Why would we want to do that? We should not ignore the severity of crack addiction or ignore the differences between crack and powder cocaine trafficking. We should worry more about the victims than about the criminals.
Why would we want to reduce the penalties for crack cocaine trafficking and invite a return to a time when cocaine ravaged our communities, especially minority communities? This bill sends the wrong message to drug dealers and those who traffic in destroying Americans’ lives. It sends the message that Congress takes drug crimes less seriously than they did. The bill before us threatens to return America to the days when crack cocaine corroded the minds and bodies of our children, decimated a generation, and destroyed communities.
Watch it:
Despite his delusions to the contrary, the status quo has ravaged minority communities by leading to disproportionate arrests, charges, and sentences.
As Leadership Conference on Civil Rights President Wade Henderson explained, minorities are inordinately affected by current drug policies, “not because minorities commit more drug crimes or use drugs at a higher rate than white Americans.” Rather, “the effect of the war on drugs on minorities results from” a few key factors: the fact that “more minorities are arrested for drug crimes,” “the severity of drug sentences has increased overall in the past 20 years,” and because “minorities who are arrested are treated more harshly than white drug crime arrestees.”
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That’s right Lamar, those black folks would be much safer in prison…
July 29th, 2010 at 8:07 pmTP, how many posts required before you send the trolls in?
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i am sure noelle bush would agree…being a crackhead and half-mexican and all…
July 29th, 2010 at 8:13 pmAnd, just out of curiosity, has anyone ever seen a response or comment on TP to a post by the original poster?
July 29th, 2010 at 8:14 pm- – Hey TP, instead of hiring a new blogger, consider a bouncer.
July 29th, 2010 at 8:16 pmwhat does he want to do about the meth heads…?
aren’t they pretty thick in the hills?
no disrespect intended… serious question.
July 29th, 2010 at 8:21 pmhooda – yes
July 29th, 2010 at 8:22 pm“what does he want to do about the meth heads…?
aren’t they pretty thick in the hills?”
dunno. let’s ask slimy sarah palin. afterall, he daughter’s future mother in law is doing time for dealing it
July 29th, 2010 at 8:23 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Minority person caught with cocaine-long prison time.
White guy caught with cocaine-good hire for MOC.
Sounds fair to me.
July 29th, 2010 at 8:24 pmkaty, I guess I’ve only been here a year. I can say I have seen a couple of corrections but no participation.
July 29th, 2010 at 8:26 pm“Why would we want to reduce the penalties for crack cocaine trafficking and invite a return to a time when cocaine ravaged our communities, especially minority communities?”
– - The problem with the reaction in the 1980s was that, like much of our drug laws, we overreact and make rules based on fear and the drama of the moment rather than rational consideration of the problem. We paint each new drug as practically the end of the world and react accordingly (the current drug of fear is meth-in the past it was heroin). Again, all of these are substances that cause substantial harm, but we tend to lack a sense of proportion in dealing with them.
Don’t Republicans espouse less government?
July 29th, 2010 at 8:29 pmIf we treated rich cokeheads like poor crackheads Bush would have never made it into the white house.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
July 29th, 2010 at 8:30 pmInstead of less time for dealing crack, how about more time for dealing coke?
July 29th, 2010 at 8:31 pmBadmoon
To the right there is NEVER too much government to protect priveledge or to supress the little people. There is ONLY too much government when it impinges on priveledge or GIVES a boost to the little people to put them on a level playing field WITH priveledge
July 29th, 2010 at 8:33 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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#16–Hit the nail right on the crackhead.
July 29th, 2010 at 8:35 pmvery few times, hooda… it’s been a while…
best to contact directly, if necessary, via tips or bios…
July 29th, 2010 at 8:36 pmFuzzyslippers™ A solid B+ says:
Difference being, Obama admitted his past mistakes and offered them up as a teaching moment while the Talking Chimpanzee just denied it all and let Poppy cover it up.
So, has anyone out there got evidence that the Talking Chimp showed up for his Alabama ANG tour? Other than the fact that he visited the dentist once?
July 29th, 2010 at 8:38 pmsorry katy but been there, done that. TP likes trolls and their idoit controversy. The posters also only post, not respond.
July 29th, 2010 at 8:38 pmCrack,powder, whats the difference.
July 29th, 2010 at 8:41 pmJust legalize drugs,make billions in taxes and be done with it. The only way that you are going to get rid of drug dealers,drug gangs,and violence over drugs is to make it legal. There will always be a demand for drugs. “Just say no” doesnt work. Sorry Nancy,nice try.
The gov. can also hand out clean needles wich will help stop the spread of diseases,wich will save billions in medical costs. Also it will free up countless man hours in the police departments around the country wich would save billions. The people who say, what about the cost of treatment for the people who want to get clean. The cost of treating people who want to get clean would be miniscule compared to the amount of money spent on the war on drugs. The repugs talk about the illegals smuggling drugs from mexico into the U.S. That would end if our government brought the drugs into the U.S.
Im sure there would be negatives if drugs were legal,but it wouldnt even come close to what is going on now.
All this about a president who has done cocaine in the past, thought we weren’t suppose to bring up George W. Bush since he is no longer president?
First he refused to confirm or deny it. Later he would say only that “when I was young and irresponsible, I was young and irresponsible.” Next he said that the issue wasn’t relevant. Then he said that he wouldn’t address “rumors.”
July 29th, 2010 at 8:42 pmGeorgie, georgie coke head. As long as he hides in Texas I don’t care if the dufe mainlined heroin.
July 29th, 2010 at 8:44 pmChimpy McCokespoon anyone?
July 29th, 2010 at 8:46 pmTP likes democracy… that’s what those buttons are for…
and, you’re own free will to ignore.
or correct with facts and move on.
i’m sure the troolls love it when you fret though…
July 29th, 2010 at 8:46 pmno offense… i’m a recovered complainer…
July 29th, 2010 at 8:48 pmmostly directed to the trooll feeders…
it’s just part of it – rocks with the farm…
WHUH?!!
July 29th, 2010 at 8:49 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
5 grams crack=5 years minimum mandatory 1st offense.
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How many years does one get for screwing millions of Americans out of billions and billions of dollars?
How many years does one get for nearly causing our entire economy to collapse, out of greed and self benefit?
July 29th, 2010 at 9:03 pmWaiting for a troll to say “At least they have jobs in prison”
July 29th, 2010 at 9:04 pmOnlooker = stupidest thing here = ignorant piece of shit!
July 29th, 2010 at 9:05 pmOnlooker, are you a Christian man?
July 29th, 2010 at 9:06 pmUh, we’re gonna help those poor n*gg**rs by keeping them locked up and under control.
Much like the argument that the slaves praised God for their benevolent masters taking them and introducing them to the good virtue of hard work.
July 29th, 2010 at 9:06 pmMoronLooker
If that is the stupidest thing you have ever seen written you have never read a single one of your own posts. It is sheer GENIUS compared to the incoherent babbling a festering baboon like you usually posts. FOAD trollscum
July 29th, 2010 at 9:08 pmSo Onlooker voted down my comment @32. Does this mean he doesn’t think those on Wall Street who stole billions of dollars from we the people don’t deserve to be in prison?
Is Onlooker defending those who nearly collapsed our economy?
Is that what you meant when you voted my comment down Onlooker?
July 29th, 2010 at 9:08 pmMoronLooker
Are you a sewer slurping shitweasel?
July 29th, 2010 at 9:09 pmIf there are 2 forms of the same drug and form A is cheaper and easier to obtain in certain areas (be it racial or socioeconomic); a law which gives disproportionate penalties for the use of form A would de facto (if not intentionally) targeted to the communities using drug A.
July 29th, 2010 at 9:09 pmMoronLooker
YOUR monumental stupidity is not OUR problem. Your posts get stupider everytime ANYONE reads them
July 29th, 2010 at 9:09 pmOnlooker says:
…I’ve seen some ingnorant shit put up by these supposed “bloggers.”
Coming from you, that means absolutely nothing.
July 29th, 2010 at 9:10 pmOnlooker, Do you believe in and read the bible?
July 29th, 2010 at 9:10 pmI’m sorry, morOnlooker, did you just get back from the john?
July 29th, 2010 at 9:10 pmWhenever MoronLooker shows up he reflexivly votes down all the rational posts
July 29th, 2010 at 9:11 pmMoronLooker
He has critical thinking skills. Sorry you are so STUPID you will never even understand the concept of thinking
July 29th, 2010 at 9:12 pmWhat’s the matter Onlooker, don’t you want to respond to my comments at #32, #36, #40 or #46?
July 29th, 2010 at 9:12 pmShocker!
Onlooker is not a Christian, doesn’t read or believe in the bible and doesn’t believe those accountable for the financial collapse should be held accountable.
July 29th, 2010 at 9:14 pm52 YOU are a disgusting piece of filth. On your BEST DAY
July 29th, 2010 at 9:15 pmmorOnlooker, you best call in your buddies. Your comments are sorta catshit. Without a litterbox.
July 29th, 2010 at 9:15 pmScared little boy afraid to answer tough questions, doesn’t have right wing talking points or rebuttal bullets in front of him to help, might look stupid and hypocritical.
July 29th, 2010 at 9:16 pmMoronLooker however DOES believe in fairy tails like Rayguns greatness, supply side economics and compassionate conservatism
July 29th, 2010 at 9:17 pmthe law disproportionately targets minorities
Gets funnier every time I read it….
– - In the case of crack the overreaction of the 1980s also lead to an odd situation in which sentencing for possession of the powder form of cocaine was far less than that of the crack version. And since blacks were far more likely to deal/possess crack, they were more harshly sentenced than those dealing or possessing powder cocaine (the majority of whom were white).
Sen. Jeff Sessions and others have worked for nine years to reduce the disparity but were thwarted by Bush’s administration. In March, Sessions reached a deal with Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., that raises the amount of crack that triggers the mandatory minimum five-year sentence from 5 grams to 28 grams and leaves alone the amount of powder that triggers the same sentence, 500 grams.
Sessions’ involvement in changing that law was notable because he is a conservative former federal prosecutor. He argued the disparity was unfair but also was careful to make sure law enforcement supported the changes.
Sessions said the changes will help law enforcement “better and more strategically target federal resources at those who distribute wholesale quantities of narcotics.”
But you just go ahead and be a worthless d*ckstain.
July 29th, 2010 at 9:17 pmOnlooker supports Wall Street theft over the American people!?!
July 29th, 2010 at 9:17 pmHoodathunk(sponsored by Free Speech for Fish) says:
And, just out of curiosity, has anyone ever seen a response or comment on TP to a post by the original poster?
No, I’ve never seen TP staff participate in the comments section. If any of them ever do, they’re using pseudonyms.
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active measures says:
these “kingpin” laws rarely catch kingpins.the shot callers compartmentalize and use cutouts and mules.
5 grams crack=5 years minimum mandatory 1st offense.
500 grams powder=5 years minimum mandatory 1st offense.
that is insane.
bravo house of reps.a truly brave action,especially in this politcal climate.
lamar smith is a huge gaping anus.
July 29th, 2010 at 8:58 pm Vote Up | Vote Down | (-4)
Where did 4 vote-downs on this post come from? I don’t get it.
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Onlooker says:
The law never “targeted” minorities.
Then why the disparity to begin with?
And why is Rep. Smith saying that reducing it targets minority communities if the increased sentence never targeted them to begin with? You can’t have it both ways. Taking the disproportionate effect on different demographic groups into account when passing a bill constitutes targeting those demographic groups. That’s what the word means in that context.
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Onlooker says:
43, you went to which law school?
That was what’s called “logic.” Look it up sometime.
July 29th, 2010 at 9:18 pmMoronLooker
Oh I think it does. At least to rational adults. I care very little how brainwashed punkass trolls like you react to it
July 29th, 2010 at 9:18 pmWhere did 4 vote-downs on this post come from? I don’t get it.
I agree a rare rational post from active measures and it got slapped down. Perhaps they were just reacting to his nom de TROLL
July 29th, 2010 at 9:20 pmTHE ELITES WANT HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT:
http://www.antipasministries.com/html/file0000337.htm
Note: This link is from a Christian ministry’s site but has some very good articles!
July 29th, 2010 at 9:20 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
MoronLooker
Does your horrid STENCH come from the shit leaking out of your ears or the natural process of the rotting of what is left of your soul?
July 29th, 2010 at 9:21 pmWell, how does GW Bush the “I don’t remember if I used Cocaine” feel about this?
I’m sure he could give a rat’s ass because he is “FREE AS A BIRD”…
…he authorized WAR CRIMES and yet he is FREE…
…he lied and hundreds of thousands died…
…and yet he is FREE…
…but some minority drug dealer…lock em up for life.
(Make drugs legal and control the sale, like liquor stores do)
July 29th, 2010 at 9:24 pmMoronLooker
Other people, really STUPID people like YOU, have no concept of logic. Crack or powder, both are COCAINE. The GARGANTUAN difference in sentencing hits minority nieghborhoods disproportionatly and punishes them MUCH more harshly for the SAME CRIME. Possession of Cocaine. What about this are you just congenitally TOO STUPID to understand?
July 29th, 2010 at 9:24 pmOnce a troll earns a reputation as a waste of time with me, I no longer bother reading what they post. I just vote it down automatically.
The one rational post in 10,000 gets unfairly treated, but it’s a great time-saver.
July 29th, 2010 at 9:24 pmI’m sorry morOnlooker, did you make a noise that might be considered human?
July 29th, 2010 at 9:26 pmHooda
Its doubtful
July 29th, 2010 at 9:27 pmFacts I worked in a court for 25 years and more Judges and cops use cocaine then those appearing in court. My daughter served in Afghanistan where cocaine was like picking grapes off a vine and you could take all you want the fields were so full.
July 29th, 2010 at 9:28 pmCheck out Boehner and Pelosi’s glassy eyes as both are high on something. Bush had the funny fake pretzel choke which made a great screen for cocaine. The hospital employees didn’t get the memo or the fake story fast enough. Wealthy people party with more cocaine then ever and the law makers make to much money to stop the flow. We can send a man to the Moon but can’t stop drugs how does that work.
Ralph
I am diogenese on this one. I wake up everyday looking for a reasonable conservative. I TRY to take each post on its own. If there is ANY chance of getting a troll to begin to act like a human adult it would be by coaxing a rational discussion out of him. I do understand however.
July 29th, 2010 at 9:28 pm“Someone who lacks independent wealth has no claim to even the SMALLEST portion of food …”
- Economist David Ricardo
And now an article that will definitely sting the religious right and leave its mark!
Capitalism & Christianity:
http://www.antipasministries.com/html/file0000053.htm
Note: This link is from a Christian ministry’s site but has some very good articles!
Scroll down to the section about popular Christian philanthropist Charles Fuller and how he treated the migrant workers in the 1930’s and note how he labeled the migrant strikers communists to get the Sheriff involved.
Funny how anything or anyone who goes up against corporations or the wealthy are always labeled as communist, socialist or marxist, those doing the labeling know the fearful, gullible sheep will react accordingly to serve and defend the corporate interests.
July 29th, 2010 at 9:29 pmRicardo also said a man without independent means does not deserve the food he eats the air he breathes or the place he stands. A Randinista before his time
July 29th, 2010 at 9:31 pmInsidiousProphet@32,
July 29th, 2010 at 9:35 pmWhen I read your comment my first thought was bush.
I figure bush put the American people in his prison for eight long years. I think bush should be doing eight life sentences for his crimes. Then again if there is such a thing as justice, then a judge she be asking him if he wants a lethal injection or old sparky.
Onleooker @ 34, GONE.
July 29th, 2010 at 9:40 pmInsidious Prophet says:
What’s the matter Onlooker, don’t you want to respond to my comments at #32, #36, #40 or #46?
onlooker can’t respond because that is not one of Onlookers’s super powers as The Avoider.
July 29th, 2010 at 9:42 pmMoronLooker
Well no one will EVER ask you what you were THINKING. EVER. We all know you are FAR too stupid to think
July 29th, 2010 at 9:43 pmJeffy,
How many years should Olly North receive?
July 29th, 2010 at 9:44 pmOnlooker says:
This comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I’m fairly certain it was NOT Regent or Liberty Universities;-)
July 29th, 2010 at 9:44 pmMorOnlooker @ 63, GONE.
July 29th, 2010 at 9:45 pmMoronLooker
In all seriousness. Get help
July 29th, 2010 at 9:47 pmInsidious Prophet I hate to say it but that article smacks of BS.
I say this because I knew a person that was part of that association and not only were her parents okies but the only reason they ever hired help was because they didn’t have any sons.
Further more her husband (who was also a member) had spent years as a day laborer himself before being able to buy a grove.
July 29th, 2010 at 9:48 pmSo, your hypocrisy is not going to let you answer, Jeffy?
How many years should Olly North spend in prison?
July 29th, 2010 at 9:50 pm@65, Insidious & the “Antipas Ministries”
I’ll second your point there. These are real “end times” folks, but they have a very different read of things from the knee-jerk regurgitation of the cookie-cutter right-wing Christians that dominate the media (and troll here).
Many of their posts offer alternative readings to biblical passages that get waved around by the self-annointed apostles that hog the microphones.
July 29th, 2010 at 9:50 pmOnlooker says:
The law makers can’t help it because “minorities” happen to favor crack as their drug of choice. It’s a horribly addictive substance, hence, the stiffer laws.
Breaking news, Onlooker doesn’t think powder cocaine is addictive. No one is surprised.
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Eugene Debs sponsored by the Church of the presumptuous assumption says:
I am diogenese on this one. I wake up everyday looking for a reasonable conservative.
oblaskins down at the Lindsay Graham thread was pretty levelheaded.
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Onlooker says:
What was bj thinking when he pardoned all those coke dealers?
I can’t even understand what the troll is gibbering about now. Does anybody have a Crazy-to-English dictionary handy?
July 29th, 2010 at 9:51 pm91 Bruce
MorONlooker Jeffy Bovine is talking about Clinton.
But he is not going to ever mention Reagan, Bush Sr., Chimperor Bush, or Limpo.
July 29th, 2010 at 9:54 pmMoronLooker is here
Cue mind boggling ignorance.
Seriously MoronLooker. You DO understand there is something WRONG with you dont you? Rational humans do not act like little children whose only goal is to be annoying and STUPID.
July 29th, 2010 at 9:54 pmJeez, I stepped in late on this thread. LOL! What are we talking about? When I come in this late, it could be anything. From the brain dead trolls to a Repugs latest gaffe.
July 29th, 2010 at 9:59 pmPD
You were namejacked on another thread. As for trolls like MoronLooker all I can say is AH the banality of STUPID
July 29th, 2010 at 10:02 pmEugene@95, Which thread? I hate it when they do that. It is so cowardly. Tell me, how bad was it?
July 29th, 2010 at 10:04 pmcd (temp spokesman for satan) says:
Insidious Prophet I hate to say it but that article smacks of BS.
I say this because I knew a person that was part of that association and not only were her parents okies but the only reason they ever hired help was because they didn’t have any sons.
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I believe the point the author of the article was trying to make was that this so called Christian, gained much of his wealth through slave labor via the migrant workers.
Was every member doing this? I don’t know, but you cannot dispute the horrible living conditions and wages these poor people made.
Perhaps the parents of this person you know who hired migrants because they had no sons were one of the few decent ones out there. You still cannot deny the treatment of these people by some with the organization.
July 29th, 2010 at 10:06 pmJackieprep says:
Jackie, are you saying that the Taliban is now growing coca in addition to the opium poppy?
July 29th, 2010 at 10:07 pmReally guys, Oldhooker needs to earn a living, it’s tough working for minimum wage for the RNC posting 16 hours a day…
…what…someone else takes over at 7pm…oh, forgot…
…PAID TROLL…never mind.
July 29th, 2010 at 10:07 pmGary Herstein says:
@65, Insidious & the “Antipas Ministries”
I’ll second your point there. These are real “end times” folks, but they have a very different read of things from the knee-jerk regurgitation of the cookie-cutter right-wing Christians that dominate the media (and troll here).
Many of their posts offer alternative readings to biblical passages that get waved around by the self-annointed apostles that hog the microphones.
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Agree! They are real “end time” folks at the site but damn, it is sure nice to read stuff from some of these people who show compassion and see the reality of what is going on.
Yes, the gullible sheep of the religious right are being misled yet ignorantly and blindly eat up all of the b.s spewed by these Christian leaders, whom I liken to false prophets, much in the same way Fox, Rush, etc, etc, purposely mislead their viewing and listening audience.
July 29th, 2010 at 10:11 pmI noticed a VD troll is lurking.
July 29th, 2010 at 10:13 pmP.D. says:
I noticed a VD troll is lurking.
July 29th, 2010 at 10:14 pm——–
It’s most likely ostLOSER/onlooker, I think we hurted his widdle feelings and have reduced him to tears. Boo hoo!
Insidious Prophet says:
Somehow, Prophet, I don’t think too many religious Reichies will take time away from praying for the current president’s death to read the Antipas Ministries website.
July 29th, 2010 at 10:15 pmJust reading the last three articles I can honestly report that the right has gone completely crack pot.
July 29th, 2010 at 10:18 pmWho woulda thought the right would go so nuts over a black president?
July 29th, 2010 at 10:19 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Insidious Prophet the author scorns:
“the California Orange Growers Association in the 1930s, a group of farmers whose neat white-fenced farms and Christian churches rested on a foundation of CHEAP LABOR……[Once in california the okies] ran smack into the “slave labor camps” of the California Orange Growers Association and other assorted grower organizations. The camps the growers….[insert laundry list of accusations leveled not at mean people but at EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF THE ASSOCIATION!].”
Christ was not in favor of throwing out the baby with the bathwater but the author sure is.
He claims to object to the unfair linking of civil people on strike with the bomb throwing minority yet he is more than willing to claim all those farmers were in charge of slave labor camps.
In short I wouldn’t trust a word in his whole article.
July 29th, 2010 at 10:20 pmblogbob @ 103 says:
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LMAO! True!
I don’t care if they read from that site or not. They are already thoroughly brainwashed and unable to reach. Boy are they in for a surprise.
A funny, ironic thought came to me as I read about the slave labor camps they had in California during the 30’s.
Wouldn’t it be ironic if those so called FEMA camps that the right scream about were actually real and to be used to round up all of us (left and right) as laborers for corporate America once we become a third world nation?
July 29th, 2010 at 10:21 pmcd, you have the right to your own opinion, I didn’t post the link to argue or debate, I posted it for a different point of view rarely seen by a Christian site.
July 29th, 2010 at 10:24 pmInsidious Prophet says:
P.D. says:
I noticed a VD troll is lurking.
July 29th, 2010 at 10:26 pm——–
It’s most likely ostLOSER/onlooker, I think we hurted his widdle feelings and have reduced him to tears. Boo hoo!
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hee-hee-hee….
That is an INSULT to cat shit…I object…
July 29th, 2010 at 10:31 pmPresident Richard Nixon’s Special Message to the Congress Proposing a Comprehensive Health Insurance Plan
February 6, 1974
From The American Presidency Project, University of California at Santa Barbara
To the Congress of the United States:
One of the most cherished goals of our democracy is to assure every American an equal opportunity to lead a full and productive life.
July 29th, 2010 at 10:42 pmhttp://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2009/September/03/nixon-proposal.aspx
Re-Legalize all drugs and take back the market from the criminals.
The drug war does NOTHING to reduce drug use or the harm it causes.
Re-Legalize, Regulate, Tax, and Educate
THAT is how you deal with drug use in a responsible country.
July 29th, 2010 at 10:43 pmdayum. if nixon was a socialist and a republican then all republicans are socialists.
in your face,,,,,X.
July 29th, 2010 at 10:45 pmin fact, Fox didn’t cover this either… moto
if nixon was a socialist republican then so is fox.
July 29th, 2010 at 10:50 pm*yawn*
The nematode cites an editorial column, which doesn’t bother to back up any assertions with links to actual information.
July 29th, 2010 at 10:51 pmwhatsmatta pawnbooger, dont like being associated with that alinsky socialist nixon?
July 29th, 2010 at 10:53 pmactive measures says:
i love puppies!
July 29th, 2010 at 10:19 pm Vote Up | Vote Down | (-5)
LOL. Well, the fact remains that #31 is the most rational post in this thread by anyone so far, IMO.
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motomark says:
Something that was NOT covered in the US press…
You’re right. When Obama invented the office of the Presidency of the United States on January 20 2009, he shouldn’t have designed everything to be so ostentatious. For example, that big white house is way bigger than he needs. He should have just built a modest shack at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue instead, right?
July 29th, 2010 at 10:54 pmHail Mystical Patsy!!
July 29th, 2010 at 10:55 pmwhen insurance rates double every eight to ten years thats a problem.
July 29th, 2010 at 10:56 pmElBruce says: #1
Perfect. All those new prisons for profit need some inmates. Maybe someone should follow Lamar Smith’s money trail so we could see for ourselves why this tool wants inner city youths in prison.
We should really pat ourselves on the back on the great society we’ve constructed. Corruption, Cronyism, Status Quo at all costs, human or otherwise. Do nothing politicians, the actual laziest people in our country, on the dole of big corportions and big-money special interests poisoning our minds, not to mention our environment on a massive scale. Yeah, we’ve really raised the bar on standard of living, haven’t we?
We need to make our voices a bit louder and more convincing that we can be, and do better by at least a thousand times, than where the Lamar Smith’s of this country want to take us. Are we really in the 21st century?
July 29th, 2010 at 10:57 pmheil patsy!
July 29th, 2010 at 10:58 pmreducing prison sentences saves money and reduces deficits.
wait.
see lamar smith doesnt want to reduce deficits or shrink government. hes a nixonian socialist. prisoners get free health care!
July 29th, 2010 at 11:00 pmThe troll is talking to the moths flying around his head…
July 29th, 2010 at 11:02 pmprisoners also get free food. they steal lawnpukers wealth.
but runhooker approves of that kind of socialism being a nixon republican and all.
July 29th, 2010 at 11:04 pmAnd puts your kids and family at risk. You don’t care? Nice. -=monsmoker=-
you would say the same if they served 5 or 10 or 20 or 30 years.
so your socialist nixonian prison doesnt rehabilitate people is what your saying?
July 29th, 2010 at 11:07 pmXisithrus – Does Oldhooker approve of Nixon, or Tricky Dick? -=toonces=-
pronlooker approves of messiah and inept king nixons tricky dicky
July 29th, 2010 at 11:11 pmOnlooker says:
reducing prison sentences saves money and reduces deficits.
And puts your kids and family at risk. You don’t care? Nice.
Excessive prison sentences increase the chances of reoffense. The opposite of what you said is the case.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.wsipp.wa.gov/rptfiles/IncarcRecid.pdf
July 29th, 2010 at 11:13 pmOnlooker says: 147, take a shower, with me, please.
fitted your tunic.
July 29th, 2010 at 11:19 pmOnlooker says:
I love it when obama claims he “tackled a problem.” Then, cites “healthcare.” LOL!
Any day now this imbecile will be claiming there never was a mortgage crisis…
July 29th, 2010 at 11:22 pm“I posted it for a different point of view rarely seen by a Christian site.”
It is different I’ll give it that.
If you’re interested I might be able to find more like it.
July 29th, 2010 at 11:24 pmbush banned short selling of 799 stocks..for what two weeks?
July 29th, 2010 at 11:32 pmbush was warned of mortgage fraud by the fbi back in 2006.
July 29th, 2010 at 11:34 pmyou will blame Bush for the mortgage collapse, even though we know what was the REAL cause of the disaster…progressive ideology.
the cra only applied to community banks not investment banks that financed such fraudsters as mozilo of country wide. the cra also didnt make investment banks bundle mortgages. have the sex approve them. give them triple aaa ratings then make them sell them to investors and pension funds around the world.
July 29th, 2010 at 11:36 pm*sec apporve them lol
July 29th, 2010 at 11:37 pminvestment banks. thing is they didnt become actual ‘banks’ until they wanted tarp bailout money. ie the cra didnt apply to goldman sachs, jp morgan or gm finance fot that matter. they had to become bank holding companies in order to get funds from the federal reserve.
July 29th, 2010 at 11:43 pmOh, notice Oldhooker is still here, mmmmm, what is it, 14 hours now…
…second shift RNC Paid Trolls.
Why bother with the paid RNC whore, I mean, really.
July 29th, 2010 at 11:47 pmElBruce says:
Onlooker says:
reducing prison sentences saves money and reduces deficits.
And puts your kids and family at risk. You don’t care? Nice.
Excessive prison sentences increase the chances of reoffense. The opposite of what you said is the case.
Short, harsh jail terms reduce recidivism. 135 degree tents, pink underwear and green baloney have a tendency to make avoiding re-incarceration something to be avoided.
July 29th, 2010 at 11:50 pmStarted as Countrywide Credit Industries in New York 38 years ago by Angelo R. Mozilo, a butcher’s son from the Bronx, and David Loeb, a founder of a mortgage banking firm.
not a community bank. shocker.
July 29th, 2010 at 11:50 pmAmong the $470 billion in loans that Countrywide made last year, 45 percent were conventional nonconforming loans, those that are too big to be sold to government-sponsored enterprises like Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac.
non-conforming loans too big to be sold to fannie and freddie.
shocker.
July 29th, 2010 at 11:52 pmCountrywide [based in ny] has a huge presence in California: 46 percent of the loans it holds on its books were made there, and 28 percent of the loans it services are there. Countrywide packages most of its loans into securities pools that it sells to investors.
yeh the cra, community reinvestment act, applied to mortgages across the country. not.
in. your. face.
July 29th, 2010 at 11:55 pmmotomark says:
And you have the gall to attempt to rationalize this complete arrogance and total disdain for working Americans?
Is this more staff than Bush had? Clinton? Bush 41? Do you know or care?
Face it: you just think that the trappings of the Presidency are “too good for the likes of him.”
Your racism is practically dripping off you.
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Onlooker says:
LOL!
So you find it humorous that you support putting our families at risk. Got it.
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Onlooker says:
Really?
Really. The moment it becomes convenient for you to pretend it never happened, you’ll go there. You won’t even care that I called it in advance, you’re that stupid.
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motomark says:
but when he does, no doubt, you will blame Bush for the mortgage collapse
I already have, loud and long. It happened at the end of Bush’s 8 year term. It is one of the many, many enormous disasters of his presidency.
It happened as a result of the conservative ideology of deregulation. This has all been thoroughly documented by everyone who’s actually looked into it. Except for wingnuts, who cover their ears and shout whenever the facts are discussed. Unregulated derivatives markets and predatory lending practices caused the whole thing, magnifying unsecured debt vastly beyond what could be sustainably supported.
Before you go blaming it all black people for buying houses, the CRA had nothing to do with it. America does not need to rely on institutional racism in order to maintain its economy.
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motomark says:
BTW…have the Dems crafted legislation to control the GSE’s yet? Has Obama investigated the root cause of the financial crisis like he said he was going to do during the campaign?
Here you go. Glad to help with your education on current events.
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motomark says:
Holder can’t even freakin’ touch him…and I’m not sure that a judge’s ruling can either.
So what you’re saying is that he’s operating outside the law. Glad you agree.
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Scott Ott is a Genius says:
Short, harsh jail terms reduce recidivism. 135 degree tents, pink underwear and green baloney have a tendency to make avoiding re-incarceration something to be avoided.
Arpaio is $60 million over budget, not counting the $41 million in legal judgements that have been paid out by Maricopa County. There is no data whatsoever to suggest that his jail has a better recidivism rate than any others. There is simply no rational justification for his human rights abuses and practicing cruel and unusual punishment in violation of the United States Consitution (which you hate).
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Onlooker says:
Countrywide gave sweetheart deals to how many d’s?
Zero.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:02 amsorry. not googling bunpoker.
try again.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:04 amBruce don’t give Moto the time of day he is not worthy of your time.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:04 amcountrywides founders mozilo and loeb founded indymac mortgage bank they didnt sell mortgages to fannie and freddie.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:11 amin. your. mug.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:11 amCalifornia Republican Darrell Issa says a dozen loans processed by Countrywide’s VIP unit went to borrowers who identified their workplace as the office of Sen. Robert Bennett, a Utah Republican
ouch.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:16 amOnlooker says:
Countrywide gave cheap, sweetheart mortgages to Sen. Kent Conrad (D-ND) and Sen. Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.)
1. Cite your claims. Paste hyperlinks when you say things.
2. How are you defining “cheap” and “sweetheart?”
3. If any public officials received mortgage terms more favorable than average, they were unaware of it.
Here’s how to cite a claim:
So according to the article you’re referring to, a possibility was raised that’s impossible to prove, by its own admission. And yet here you are claiming it as fact.
See, that’s what happens when I Google the links that you refuse to provide. It also demonstrates the real reason you refuse to proide them.
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motomark says:
the Finance Reform Law does NOT address the GSE’s…
That’s because they weren’t the problem. I described the problem above.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:16 ambwahahaha. one dozen loans to repubs and two to dems.
you should really stop while your behind onlooker and moto.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:19 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Xisithrus why do you waste your time with this evil clown?
July 30th, 2010 at 12:21 amThe agency neglected to examine whether borrowers could make the payments on the loans that Freddie and Fannie classified as affordable. From 2004 to 2006, the two purchased $434 billion in securities backed by subprime loans, creating a market for more such lending. Subprime loans are targeted toward borrowers with poor credit, and they generally carry higher interest rates than conventional loans.”
this occured when bush was president. shoot your toes off much?
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Countrywide documents show that it, too, was a lax lender. For example, it wasn’t until March 16 that Countrywide eliminated so-called piggyback loans from its product list, loans that permitted borrowers to buy a house without putting down any of their own money. And Countrywide waited until Feb. 23 to stop peddling another risky product, loans that were worth more than 95 percent of a home’s appraised value and required no documentation of a borrower’s income.
the cra didnt make mozilo or freddie and fannie make or buy these fraudulent mortgages.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:28 ammotomark says:
“The agency neglected to examine whether borrowers could make the payments on the loans that Freddie and Fannie classified as affordable. From 2004 to 2006, the two purchased $434 billion in securities backed by subprime loans
Right. They purchased the loans. That’s what they were created to do. They weren’t originating the loans. That was done entirely by private mortgage companies.
I’d be willing to entertain a discussion about whether having Fannie and Freddie taking debt off of loan companies’ hands willy-nilly is a good idea. But blaming them for the past collapse just so you can let the megabanks off the hook isn’t going to fly.
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motomark says:
there are MANY economists that disagree with you.
No there aren’t. Glenn Beck and Bill O’Reilly are not economists.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:29 amyeh, in 2003 the gop controlled congress. bwahahahhahaaa
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The [bush] administration’s proposal, which was endorsed in large part today by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, would not repeal the significant government subsidies granted to the two companies. And it does not alter the implicit guarantee that Washington will bail the companies out if they run into financial difficulty
bwahahahaha. from motos link.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:35 amfannie and freddie endorsed the bush proposal.
shocker!!
July 30th, 2010 at 12:38 amXisithrus why do you waste your time with this evil clown?
cause whack-a-troll makes everyone that agrees with moto or onlooker look like misformed misanthropes?
July 30th, 2010 at 12:39 amFor anyone who’s interested, here is an evenhanded description of the factors leading to the mortgage collapse. Among 11 categories of factors, Fannie/Freddie are mentioned under the “Government policies” section. But there are ten other sections to consider as well.
The wingnuts just want to scapegoat that one thing because everything else demonstrates that Wall Street was simply irresponsible in their behavior and the Bush Administration was derelict of duty in refusing to regulate them.
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politicsobserver says:
Maybe minorities should not commit drug crimes. It seems to me that they put themselves in a position to be targeted.
Only a progressive blames the victim.
The two sentences you typed right before the third one constitute the most obvious example of blaming the victim I’ve ever seen.
Wingnuts in this thread and others continuously blame the unemployed for unemployment, the poor for poverty, the sick for the health care crisis, the homeless for the mortgage crisis, and in innumerable other ways pretend to “solve” social problems merely by scapegoating the victims of it. It’s what you do.
Accusing us of using your trademarked tactics isn’t going to fool anyone. Especially when you’re using that tactic at the same time.
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poleick slurper. you get slapped down here daily. poor poor victim. its all your fault.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:41 amBy purchasing the loans from mortgage companies like CountryWide, and handing the debt over to the taxpayers, or sell them as MBS’s to investors, the books were cleared for Mozillo to continue his shady practice. -=moto=-
which occured during inept bush presidency and when the senate was controlled by the fiscally irresponsible inept gop.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:44 amElBruce says:
motomark says:
“The agency neglected to examine whether borrowers could make the payments on the loans that Freddie and Fannie classified as affordable. From 2004 to 2006, the two purchased $434 billion in securities backed by subprime loans
Right. They purchased the loans. That’s what they were created to do. They weren’t originating the loans. That was done entirely by private mortgage companies.
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ElBruce is 100% correct!
skidmark probably even knows this but he must repeat the right wing lies to defend the party he claimed he never defends yet does with every comment he posts.
Predatory lending practices by private mortgage companies are to be blamed for the subprime crisis.
http://www.publicintegrity.org/investigations/economic_meltdown/articles/entry/1309/
Skidmark and other trolls don’t like to hear the truth and will than bring up the CRA as the cause. Which of course has been proven to be false also.
http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/hotproperty/archives/2008/10/community_reinv.html
The main theme throughout the debate between the left and the right as to who or what was to blame is the fact that the trolls and the right wing media NEVER hold the republican party accountable *SHOCKER* Even though they held the majority for 6 of Bush’s 8 years and were a rubber stamp for Bush.
They also conveniently ignore the effect Bush’s “Ownership Society” program had on the subprime crisis. Where the B.O.S. program made it easier for minorities to get a home loan and actually weakened the original CRA.
But who really cares. We know the facts, former republican Oxley wanted to add tougher guidelines to Fannie & Freddie back in 2005 and the Bush administration basically told him to “F” off.
So let skidmark and the other clueless, biased trolls wallow in their own ignorance.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:46 amXi-the purpose of the Bush proposal was to create a super-regulator, that could investigate and prosecute the administrators of the GSE’s…
bwahaha. fannie and freddie supported the bush proposal. they obviously werent worried about being prosecuted.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:49 amWrong again skidmark! Oxley wanted to have Fannie & Freddie follow stricter guidelines and the Bush administration ignored him.
You have the right to your own opinion but you don’t have the right to your own facts!
July 30th, 2010 at 12:49 ammotomark says:
By purchasing the loans from mortgage companies like CountryWide, and handing the debt over to the taxpayers, or sell them as MBS’s to investors, the books were cleared for Mozillo to continue his shady practice.
Actually, that applies to hundreds of mortgage companies and banks across America, not just one guy you don’t like.
Again, the whole Fannie/Freddie system might or might not be a bad idea. I’m willing to entertain the notion that we should scrap it, but we’d need to look into the consequences across the board. These were created towards the end of the Great Depression in order to get lenders lending again so people (other than the extremely wealthy) could have places to live. But, as we’ve seen, it is possible for the mortgage industry to have too much lending capacity, particularly if they don’t use it wisely.
However, such a discussion is a completely different thing from blaming Fannie/Freddie for the mortgage crisis just so you can let your favored actors completely off the hook.
Just like your statement above, in your mind a debacle involving thousands of different players and dozens of interellated practices comes down to the one target out of all of them who you view as aligned with liberals somehow. If 100 people committed a crime, you’d pick out the one guy you don’t like to blame for everything, and let the other 99 go.
Which just proves that you don’t actually care about the crisis. You’re just playing “gotcha” games with your perceived political opponents.
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motomark says:
Now…as far as Banks were concerned, same deal, except that by making the loans in the first place, they were CRA compliant…then they sell the shaky loans
CRA compliant loans are “shaky?”
The CRA prohibits redlining. That’s what it does. That’s all it does. Redlining is the practice that banks used to employ of having higher application requirements (income, assets, down payment, credit rating, etc) for racial minorities than for whites.
So what you’re saying is that if a minority applicant has the same qualifications as a white person, then the minority’s loan is “shaky” while the white person’s is not.
Blaming the CRA is literally saying that the mortgage industry requires institutional racism in order to stay afloat.
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motomark says:
Xi-the purpose of the Bush proposal was to create a super-regulator, that could investigate and prosecute the administrators of the GSE’s…
In other words, to add more layers of bureacuracy in an organizational shell game so nobody knows who’s in charge. Existing oversight was just fine.
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motomark says:
…and completely unwilling to lay ANY blame at anyone’s feet except the GOP and Bush.
Right, the people in charge of the country at the time. That’s how accountability works. Ever hear of it?
July 30th, 2010 at 12:54 amElBruce says:
For anyone who’s interested, here is an evenhanded description of the factors leading to the mortgage collapse. Among 11 categories of factors, Fannie/Freddie are mentioned under the “Government policies” section. But there are ten other sections to consider as well.
The wingnuts just want to scapegoat that one thing because everything else demonstrates that Wall Street was simply irresponsible in their behavior and the Bush Administration was derelict of duty in refusing to regulate them.
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Once again El Bruce is 100% correct!
The wingnuts as El Bruce says, are using Fannie & Freddie as the scapegoat:
* to protect and try to cover for one of their masters, Wall Street along with their greed and irresponsibility.
* Because Fannie & Freddie are a government entity and we all know the republicans are against government…when the other party is in charge.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:55 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I suggest you read more, post less…you’re just making yourself appear pathetically partisan, and completely unwilling to lay ANY blame at anyone’s feet except the GOP and Bush. -=moto=
then stop making partisan statements here. its that simple.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:57 amthe GOP did NOT have a super-majority.
i never said they did. i said they held the majority. obviously the didnt want to regulate fannie and freddie.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:00 amskidmark needs to get educated about the subprime meltdown. I suggest he get Directv, turn on LinkTV and wait for them to replay the new documentary “Plunder: The Crime Of Our Time” by Danny Schechter, whose first film “IN DEBT WE TRUST” in (2006) was the first to expose Wall Street’s connection to subprime loans, predicting the economic crisis that this book investigates.
http://plunderthecrimeofourtime.com/
July 30th, 2010 at 1:02 amMaine, Spain and the Boxer Campaign…Obama fiddles, while Rome burns.
tsk tsk more partisan blame.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:02 ammotomark says:
it’s called…the GOP did NOT have a super-majority.
Was the bill filibustered? I can’t find any mention of that, but it might be the case. But if you’re going to claim a supermajority was required, then you’re saying it was filibustered. Back that up.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:04 ammotomark says:
Maine, Spain and the Boxer Campaign…Obama fiddles while Rome burns.
WTF is this? Boxer’s up by 9 points, Michelle & fam are having a lovely time in Spain, and I don’t see anything about Maine in the news. I don’t think Obama can play the violin, but Rome is doing just fine.
Are you autistic?
July 30th, 2010 at 1:06 amThe Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight, which is part of the Department of Housing and Urban Development, was created by Congress in 1992 after the bailout of the savings and loan industry.
wasnt it ghwb that bailed out the savings and loan industry?
July 30th, 2010 at 1:06 amI remember Limpballs saying anyone buying drugs should be sent ‘up the river’. Also remember Limpballs buying thousands of oxycontin per month and NOT going to prison. Also read about one guy who got 20 years for selling TWO oxycontin. It was his third offense.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:07 amIt was charged with ensuring the capital adequacy and financial safety and soundness of two government sponsored enterprises — the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae) and the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac). It was established by the Federal Housing Enterprises Financial Safety and Soundness Act of 1992.
okay, who was president in 1992? and it didnt regulate. shocker.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:10 amSkidmark and his sock puppets are so phucking biased and brainwashed, they still cannot just admit that their own party had something to do with the subprime, they are soooooo phucking retarded to think that the democrats were so powerful as the minority party that they were able to pass all of this horsesh*t legislation as the…minority party and were responsible for doing nothing about it as the….minority party.
We provide the facts and skidmark just denies them and brings up some more false right wing spin or when proven wrong attacks the source of the link as in the case of Oxley, makes up more unproven lies to make his case…like Bush wanted tougher guidelines and Oxley’s weren’t tough enough. Which in it’s face just doesn’t jib with Bush’s “ownership society”
Skidmark, are you ever honest? Why do you have to be so deceitful? Why do you continue to be the water carrier for the republicans? The party you claim you never defend?
Why is it so hard for the right to admit their party phucked up while in charge? Why is it so hard for the right to hold their own party accountable?
July 30th, 2010 at 1:10 amDon’t know how Fannie and Freddie got into this, but I remember Dems like Barney Frank crying out for regulation of F&F and Repubs being opposed to such regulation. Also remember Dubya praising F&F for expanding his “ownership society”.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:11 amKeith brought to you by the RDA Corporation says:
Don’t know how Fannie and Freddie got into this, but I remember Dems like Barney Frank crying out for regulation of F&F and Repubs being opposed to such regulation. Also remember Dubya praising F&F for expanding his “ownership society”.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:14 am———-
Exactly, as I said, even republican Oxley a member of the housing committee wanted tougher guidelines and regulations, he even asked for a new agency just to oversee Fannie & Freddie and in Oxley’s own words “Bush gave him the one finger salute”
Why isn’t the blame put on corps like Countrywide? And corps like Goldman Sachs who turned the mortgages into montrosities and then got them tripleA ratings?
July 30th, 2010 at 1:15 amAnd, frankly, some of their comments reflect someone much younger. po
really? what about a group of adults that change their monikers all the time specifically to make inane accusations and engage in non-stop partisan finger pointing and parroting political hacks like beck, oreilly, limbaugh and others?
July 30th, 2010 at 1:16 ambackup says:
Here’s an idea for a new drug policy. Catch someone using drugs. Tell them that they won’t face any penalty if they just credibly disclose where they got the drugs and that information results in the arrest of that dealer.
Then release the initial user and tell them to go party as much as they want, with the caveat if they get caught, they get the same deal to rat out the next dealer.
Maybe dealers would stop dealing.
If you decide that it’s OK for user to use, then that calls into question why we have laws against that drug in the first place.
Manipulating supply always fails; it literally is going against the function of the “invisible hand,” which automatically matches supply to demand.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:18 amnd, frankly, some of their comments reflect someone much younger.
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So the two trolls here are much older? Perhaps retired and living off social security and medicare?
Perhaps they being older explains everything! They come from an era where racism was acceptable in America. An era filled with McCarthyism. An era where all a republican had to scream was communist and their sheep would be up in arms, much like today, sad how little things change for some ignorant, gullible people.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:20 amBut enough of the free history for these ignorant trolls, they don’t want the truth especially when it exposes the failures of their beloved party. Dealing with them is a waste of time.
You can’t fix stupid!
July 30th, 2010 at 1:23 amKeith brought to you by the RDA Corporation says:
Why isn’t the blame put on corps like Countrywide?
The wingnut trolls want to blame only Countrywide, because a guy who worked for them apparently gave some good mortgage terms to a few Democrats. These same trolls want to let all other mortgage originators off scott free.
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Keith brought to you by the RDA Corporation says:
And corps like Goldman Sachs who turned the mortgages into montrosities and then got them tripleA ratings?
We haven’t even gotten into discussing the magnifying effects of leveraging, which turned molehills of debt into mountains. When there are hundreds of dollars being traded on the back of every dollar in underlying assets, the problem becomes a much bigger problem than it has to be. If it weren’t for that, the bubble collapse in the mortgage industry wouldn’t have had such a vast impact on the overall world economy.
But the wingnut trolls don’t want to talk about that part, because it doesn’t “score points” for their “side.”
That’s because conservatives don’t actually have beliefs.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:23 amRACISM AND RIGHT-WING CHRISTIANITY
http://www.antipasministries.com/html/file0000196.htm
July 30th, 2010 at 1:28 amDid the trolls leave? Were the truth and facts too much for them to bare? Cowards!
July 30th, 2010 at 1:31 amElBruce says: If it weren’t for that, the bubble collapse in the mortgage industry wouldn’t have had such a vast impact on the overall world economy.
Right! Hard to understand why people can’t see that just people trying to buy a house they could not afford would not create a worldwide catastrophe.
How about the guy (John Paulson?) who made $4.5 billion in one year betting against the packages he helped arrange?!
July 30th, 2010 at 1:32 amAh, mototard is bringing out the old canard that the CRA/GSE’s created the housing bubble? ROTFL! That retard has the reading comprehension and intellect of a pile of sh!t.
The Federal Reserve, having examined the evidence, holds that empirical research has not validated any relationship between the CRA and the 2008 financial crisis. At the FDIC, Chair Sheila Bair delivered remarks noting that the majority of subprime loans originated from lenders not regulated by the CRA, calling it a “scapegoat” and declaring it “NOT guilty.”
but mototard believes she knows more than the “experts” who are trained to understand these matters? ROTFL! Sure!
mototard = dumphukkk retard
July 30th, 2010 at 1:35 amGlad you’ve come to terms with funding TP, oldhooker! They appreciate the advertising revenues you singlehandedly drive to them! ;)
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SEC Charges Sam And Charles Wyly, Billionaire Dallas Investors behind swiftboat attacks, of Insider Trading Yielding $550 MILLION.
The guys who whined about “integrity” and “patriotism” are nothing but petty right wing scam artists? Shokkker!
July 30th, 2010 at 1:48 amMizzD!kkkless, no, the laws are the GOP’s fault, or were you too phukkking stupid to read the thread information where the KKKons still want blacks to receive higher sentences than white criminals?
You’re really phukkking retarded aren’t you princess?
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Liberty Christ is offering lunch in a fundraiser. Wonkette found this on Facebook:
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Never said who was paying for this lunch. So, I assume the good doctor will cough up a few bucks or he may have you bring your own lunch or split the check. So, where is this lunch going be at? KFC for a bucket of chicken wings? Or maybe going dutch with celery sticks and dip so that Rand and the guest can be health conscious? Burger joint? And what happened to a free eye examination and discount off of glasses and lenses complimentary of the good doctor?
Anyway, Rand’s not close to his goal from taking a peek at the Facebook site. I bid you adieu. Nite, TP peeps.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:58 amU.S. Constitution: Eight Amendment
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Whatttt? MizzD!kkkless is just like all of the other libertard/fascist sh!tbags that don’t give a sh!t about the constitution or values of our country? Shokkker!
FOAD, sh!tbag anti-american scum. Somalia your libertard paradise calls. Leave, go there now, and plague us no more with your retarded bullsh!t…
July 30th, 2010 at 1:58 amMr.Duke says:
Don’t do the crime and you will do no time.
That’s completely irrelevant to a discussion about whether the penalty is excessive. It literally has nothing whatsoever to do with it.
Your little canard could be pulled out to justify beheading for minor traffic infractions.
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Ah, oldhooker, here to spew the same old sh!t that her dirty sock mototard already spewed? What another smear targeted at a gay man from the two closet gay socks? Shokkker!
Already debunked above oldhooker.
However, TP wants to thank you for your advertiser contributions. Every “web page impression” goes directly to fund their work! How does it feel to know you directly fund TP oldhooker? It makes me smile! ;)
July 30th, 2010 at 2:02 amSetting crimes that target a minority community with higher sentences are the opposite of the justice you are purporting MizzD!kkkless. Explains why you have no problem with an unjust sentencing system that unfairly incarcerates black men! ;)
July 30th, 2010 at 2:04 amThe again if powder cocaine laws were the same as crack, George Bush would have been in prison longer than he was able to steal the presidency for! ;)
July 30th, 2010 at 2:04 amDon’t do any crime and this becomes a non-issue. .. that goes for everyone. … quit making excuses for criminals. … personal responsibility matters. …
July 30th, 2010 at 2:05 amFunny how MizzD!kkkless throws out libertard beliefs as though she is one, but ignores that being against drug laws is a foundation of libertard values? Hypocrisy much MizzD!kkkless? ;)
July 30th, 2010 at 2:06 amB6. What is the libertarian position on the “drug war”?
That all drugs should be legalized.
This from the retard that says they vote libertarian? ROTFL!
July 30th, 2010 at 2:07 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
B6. What is the libertarian position on the “drug war”?
These tactics can’t stop the drug trade, but they are making a mockery of our supposed Constitutional freedoms.
So MizzD!kkkless constantly whines she’s a libertard and 100% votes libertard but is kkklueless on the libertard platform on drugs and drug laws? ROTFL!
Well she’s a dumb!tch, so what else should we expect? ;)
July 30th, 2010 at 2:09 amIs that anything like how the KKKon politicians like bush said that AIG, Goldman, Bear and everyone else were “just fine” right before they tanked?
Hypocrisy much “old hooker”? ;)
Bush but insisted that “we’re going to be just fine” in the end.
Are we all “just fine” yet oldhooker? ;)
July 30th, 2010 at 2:12 amoldhooker, is that anything like the past several major republicans that had to “cut a deal” and all claimed it was just political witch hunts by the minority party? ;)
July 30th, 2010 at 2:13 amMr.Duke says:
… don’t do any crime and you will do no crime. … works for me. ..
As long as you lie about your criminal record. Which you are doing right now.
Would you say that if a drug used more by whites had 100 times the sentence as a drug used more by blacks. Don’t think so.
July 30th, 2010 at 2:14 amSo how did you respond to the “ethics charges” brought about against Delay oldhooker? Did you “relish” that as well? ;)
July 30th, 2010 at 2:14 amExactly… drug laws and wars are a waste of money. … I am against those laws…. but I have no say. … crack cocaine is illegal in this country at the present time. Everyone knows it. … therefore, according to the law, you are committing a crime if you do that crap … I may not like it. … but you liberals love to have lots of laws controlling human behavior. … the liberal police want to control your every move. They want to decide what you do with your body, what you eat, ect. … become a libertarian, vote libertarian and these stupid drug laws will be repealed. .. until then. … live with what ya got.
July 30th, 2010 at 2:15 amKKKonservative Hypocrisy, the one constant in politics…
July 30th, 2010 at 2:15 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
MizzD!kkkless shows that they believe in the laws, as long as they don’t affect them. When the law like “it’s unconstitutional to attack people who are brown just because you might think they’re illegal” suddenly they argue that the law doesn’t matter.
Sorry retard, but hiding behind the law to avoid delivering justice is the move of a coward and a fascist.
It was “legal” to exterminate jews in Nazi Germany, but any “sane” person says that’s an unjust law and one without merit. Much like a sentencing law that is designed to put young black men in jail while letting white kids like george bush go free.
July 30th, 2010 at 2:17 amoldhooker avoiding facts again? Shokkker!
July 30th, 2010 at 2:17 amoldhooker, advancing the kkklan’s agenda one post at a time. each post ironically contributes to the funding of the site she claims to want to destroy ironically thanks to internet advertising! ;)
July 30th, 2010 at 2:18 amMizzD!kkkless, spoken like a brownshirt nazi hypocrite. Shokkker!
July 30th, 2010 at 2:19 amElBruce says:
Mr.Duke says:
… don’t do any crime and you will do no crime. … works for me. ..
As long as you lie about your criminal record. Which you are doing right now.
Would you say that if a drug used more by whites had 100 times the sentence as a drug used more by blacks. Don’t think so.
Crime has never been part of my world. … Everyone needs to take personal responsibility … don’t do crime and you will never do any time. … learn it. … live it. …
July 30th, 2010 at 2:19 amkeep dropping in those coins oldhooker! TP has made bank off of you retards since they included ads into their pages! Thanks again for all of the funding! ;)
July 30th, 2010 at 2:20 amI’m sure the nazis who were murdered under the laws would appreciate your poignant views about personal responsibility MizzD!kkkless… I’ll take them with the weight and merit they deserve… ;)
July 30th, 2010 at 2:21 amAH, how quaint, oldhooker laughing at facts while hypocritically looking back only at liberals and republicans? SHokkker!
July 30th, 2010 at 2:22 amMr.Duke says:
… therefore, according to the law, you are committing a crime if you do that crap
This is correct.
This is still not relevant to a discussion regarding what the sentence should be.
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Onlooker says:
268-flagged-racism
Wingnuts believe that pointing out that racism exists constitutes racism.
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Mr.Duke says:
Crime has never been part of my world.
Since you say that directly, now I know it must be a lie.
July 30th, 2010 at 2:22 amMizzD!kkkless, actually plenty of black men have done the time who never did the crime. The sentencing is so severe that many times people rat out innocent individuals to reduce their sentences.
You surely didn’t know that otherwise your heartless and snarky bullsh!t post wouldn’t have been made. Or are you really that sh!tty and self absorbed… We both know you are…
July 30th, 2010 at 2:23 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
hey oldhooker, we both know you’re an incompetent sh!tbag, but you can see who they advertise with and add up the rates yourself! ;)
You’ve single handed caused several staff people’s salaries to be paid just because of the thread impressions you drove! Hysterical!
You dumphukkks came here to kill the site and you expanded and funded it!
July 30th, 2010 at 2:25 amMizzD!kkkless, you should ask yourself more appropriately why KKKons project so much? The answer will be more appropriate for the intended question..
July 30th, 2010 at 2:26 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Mr.Duke says:
Why do liberals hate personal responsibility so much?
We don’t. We are discussing the reduction of a sentence that was too severe. That has nothing to do with whether or not someone is found guilty of it. This is the third time so far I’ve had to explain this to you. I’ll be glad to keep doing so until you can finally understand the words in front of your face that you are reading right now.
July 30th, 2010 at 2:28 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
oldhooker doesn’t realize this happens all of the time? how could she when all she gets is news from bekkkistan?
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/16/us/fake-drugs-force-an-end-to-24-cases-in-dallas.html
July 30th, 2010 at 2:30 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Mizzd!kkkless, no “you” are cheap, and that’s why you don’t want to live in a civilized society. You whine a lot about “personal responsibility”, but an “adult” has a “personal responsibility” to their “community” and not just “themselves”. Only children are permitted to be that selfish, and only ones raised by sh!tty moron parents…
July 30th, 2010 at 2:31 amMizzD!kkkless whines the old “scrooge workhouse victorian” whine of a cheap heartless sh!tbag.
FOAD you jobless dumphukkk…
July 30th, 2010 at 2:32 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
MizzD!kkkless, we did do something about it. Unlike you who wasted their vote on some retard who no one but you d!kkkless nerds even heard of, we voted in politicians who just worked to change the law to be more fair.
No thanks to you “irresponsible” sh!tbag KKKons… You know, the point of the tread you illiterate dumphukkk? ;)
July 30th, 2010 at 2:34 amThe KKKon mindset, socialize the risks, privatize the profits.
you selfish sh!tbags only care about yourself and any efforts to “care for others” and “the community” you whine is us caring “only for ourselves”? ROTFL!
That’s projection, pure and simple, from the greedy selfish sh!tbag “boys brigade” of little children who can’t grow up…
July 30th, 2010 at 2:35 amMizzD!kkkless, what kind of d**chebag spends 100% of their waking hours vandalizing websites and talking to “creeps” as you call it?
FOAD you sh!tbag loser…
July 30th, 2010 at 2:36 amNo response to the article on the numerous unfair and unjust incarceration that directly resulted from this sentencing mizzd!kkkless? Shokkker!
FOAD.
July 30th, 2010 at 2:37 amWhen I was taking my exam for the sociology class “Crime in the US”, I should have just written down “don’t do the crime and you won’t do the time” as my answer for every question! How stupid of me! [smacks self in forehead]
July 30th, 2010 at 2:48 amMr.Duke says:
If that is true, get off your arse and do something about it. … talk is cheap … throwing accusations is easy. .. what exactly are you doing to rectify the situation?
How about maybe reduce the unfair disparity in drug sentencing? You know, the thing you’re trolling against?
This is such a bizarre, generic/vague rant – quick question Mr.Duke – how much have you had to drink so far tonight?
July 30th, 2010 at 2:53 amTulia, Texas
In 1999, a drug sting operation in the small town of Tulia, Texas resulted in the arrest of 46 people, 40 of who were black. The remaining six individuals were either latinos or whites dating blacks. The drug bust incarcerated almost 15% of the black population and has been denounced as a form of “racial profiling” by the NAACP and the ACLU. Those organizations filed a complaint with the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice and four years later, in 2003, the testimony of the key witness was deemed not credible and prosecutors agreed not to go to retrial.
All of the evidence presented against those arrested came from the uncorroborated testimony of Tom Coleman, a private informant hired by the Sheriff of Tulia to conduct the sting operation. Coleman supposedly sought to buy powder cocaine and other drugs from area residents. In choosing his sting targets, he used a list of 60 “known drug dealers” that the Sheriff had previously compiled during a racially motivated local drug scare. Agent Coleman worked alone and did not wear a wire during any of the alleged transactions.
Seven of those arrested were convicted and sentenced to prison terms, one for 99 years. Fourteen defendants took pleas and were sentenced to prison. Others were sentenced to probation. Most of the prison sentences were increased because the drugs were allegedly sold within 1000 feet of a school, yet most of the defendants lived in trailer parks miles away from the nearest school. Coleman neither remembers, nor has records of any of the exact locations of the individual drug transactions.
Slowly, as suspicions rose around the credibility of Coleman’s evidence, cracks began to show. For a lucky few, cases were dismissed – one defendant was cleared when his employer showed time cards proving he was at work at the time of the alleged buy; another defendant had bank records proving that she was out of state.
A trial was ordered to determine whether the defendants were convicted solely on the word of Coleman, and to investigate whether prosecutors had failed to turn over information from Coleman’s background that may have cast doubt on his testimony. It was stipulated by all parties and approved by the court that Coleman was not a credible witness under oath and state district Judge Ron Chapman requested new trials for the defendants. Only hours later a special prosecutor vowed to dismiss the cases.
Although their cases are yet to be considered by the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals – which could take up to two years – Gov. Rick Perry signed a bill in June, 2003 unanimously approved by the Texas House allowing the remaining 13 inmates to be freed on bond.
In Tulia and around the country, many individual activists, family members, lawyers and advocacy organizations worked tirelessly for the freedom of the wrongly accused. The William Moses Kunstler Fund for Racial Justice (see their video, Tulia, Texas: Scenes From the Drug War), the NAACP Legal Defense Fund and the American Civil Liberties Union, in particular, were pivotal in leading the legal effort and expanding public pressure. The Drug Policy Alliance helped to initiate and support this coalition, and kept the media and the public focused on the unfolding scandal.
Although what happened in Tulia is particularly shocking, unfortunately, it is just one of the countless injustices in a war on drugs that disproportionately targets people of color.
This and the countless cases like it are why fair sentencing laws are so important!
As this shows, the “don’t do the crime” bullsh!t flippant response of the resident “child-troll” is irresponsible and uncivilized. Unfortunately there are way to many that don’t do the crime, but do have to do an insane amount of time because of these draconian sentencing laws.
They force people to desperately cop pleas and rat out people to reduce sentencing, even if those people are innocent.
It’s obscene, and to have a politician say something so retarded should be an embarrassment to the whole GOP if it weren’t so populated by dumphukkk inbreds like MizzD!kkkless and her entourage of “personally irresponsible” greedy selfish little sh!tbags…
July 30th, 2010 at 2:55 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
The Left also claims that the “three strikes” law in some states, most notably in California, discriminates against Blacks because Blacks are predisposed to commit more crimes than whites.
July 30th, 2010 at 3:03 amTaxpayers are having to pay about $35,000 per inmate per year for the hundreds of thousands in jail for possession—a victimless crime. And when they get out, they will probably turn to crime because you sure as hell have a hard time getting a job with a criminal record.
July 30th, 2010 at 3:06 amlongredbillions says:
OT- For the record . . .
Citation provided.
It’s rare enough for anyone in Right Blogistan to take the time to set the record straight on something they were wrong about. It’s even rarer for a conservative to come here and share that with us. So uh, thanks.
Doesn’t quite top the time that guy who runs littlegreenfootballs showed up here to personally announce to us that he was switching sides from neocon to moderate, but nifty nonetheless.
July 30th, 2010 at 3:08 am307= BULLSHIT
I remember on 60 minutes they told of a guy getting 25-to-life for stealing ONE SLICE of pizza because it was his third offense in California.
July 30th, 2010 at 3:08 amObama is a terrible leader who is killing this country in hundreds of ways.
Name two.
July 30th, 2010 at 3:10 amEl Bruce,
Don’t bother debunking longredbillions’ bullshit. He’s plagiarizing again:
http://www.israpundit.com/archives/25470
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/25157/bush-not-obama-made-deal-on-libya-megrahi-release-obama-strongly-opposed/
July 30th, 2010 at 3:10 amMaybe longred IS Debbie, so it’s not plagiarizing! :-)
July 30th, 2010 at 3:14 amKeith brought to you by the RDA Corporation says:
July 30th, 2010 at 3:14 amMaybe longred IS Debbie, so it’s not plagiarizing! :-)
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Heh. Still makes him/her a liar though.
Yeah, I found the link but forgot to post it for him.
Wingnuts just don’t seem to understand how to cite sources (aka. paste a hyperlink) no matter how many times we tell them.
July 30th, 2010 at 3:15 amElBruce says:
Yeah, I found the link but forgot to post it for him.
Wingnuts just don’t seem to understand how to cite sources (aka. paste a hyperlink) no matter how many times we tell them.
July 30th, 2010 at 3:19 am–
I doubt that our copy and paste trolls forget how to cite their sources, they’re just too stupid to come up with anything original so they have to steal their material from another site.
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the liberal police want to control your every move. They want to decide what you do with your body
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Uh-hum…
Then there is the conservative police who want to control your every move. They say no to gay marriage, force their religion upon everyone else, tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her reproductive organs, cram the brains of our children with their ideology and revised history from their right wing slanted text books.
July 30th, 2010 at 3:27 amgee thanks longredmoron, I bet you know “ode to rush” by heart too.
July 30th, 2010 at 3:28 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I went into the White House
July 30th, 2010 at 3:31 amAnd spit on commie czars,
And then I got my broom out
And swept the mud to Mars.
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Worst rap I’ve ever heard. Seriously, the Secret Service would have kicked your ass out before you got to the president. And commie czars? Whoever wrote this is a f***ing moron, the communists overthrew the czars. *facepalm*
“their black hole star”
wonder what that means [snark]
July 30th, 2010 at 3:34 ampoor clueless, ignorant trolls. Spend all of their days and nights here babbling idiocies from the right. They never have an original thought of their own. Never once has an intelligent right wing troll ever showed up here in an attempt to be civil and have a reasonable debate…perhaps there aren’t any intelligent right wing troll in existence?
But they come here, day after day, spending hour after hour accomplishing nothing. Are they really so stupid to believe what they say or do here matters in the real world?
We progressives come here to vent, we don’t invade right wing blogs all trash the place. But that’s because we are decent, respectful Americans. While the right wing trolls are just loud, obnoxious, uninformed, mental midgets who add very little substance or value to the discussion, yet actually believe they have achieved something after wasting 16 hours here. How sad is that?
July 30th, 2010 at 3:35 amand fascists killed commies and socialists
July 30th, 2010 at 3:35 amWhoever B. Royce may be – they have no meter for poetry.
July 30th, 2010 at 3:35 amebbAndflow says:
July 30th, 2010 at 3:37 amWhoever B. Royce may be – they have no meter for poetry.
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Well I googled each of those poems and they’re all from an Ayn Rand forum. Thank Thor, Randbot rap never took off, this shit is terrible.
Keith brought to you by the RDA Corporation says:
July 30th, 2010 at 3:38 amand fascists killed commies and socialists
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Not that it matters. In the conservative mind, it’s all the same. Morons.
bizarrobrain, that does not surprise me – it’s putrid even for ‘rap’.
July 30th, 2010 at 3:39 amebbAndflow says:
July 30th, 2010 at 3:49 ambizarrobrain, that does not surprise me – it’s putrid even for ‘rap’.
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Oh yeah. The guy who wrote that shit should have been punched in the head. Of course that may be counter productive as one too many blows to the head probably causes one to become a conservative in the first place.
If anyone wants more of this crap, go to
http://forums.4aynrandfans.com/index.php?showforum=109
But I ain’t signing up.
July 30th, 2010 at 3:50 amSorry, meant “more of this rap”.
July 30th, 2010 at 3:51 amKeith, I’ll not go there – life is too damn short to waste on hate-filled garbage.
July 30th, 2010 at 3:52 amThe parasitic nematodes feed on such nasty stuff.
Keith brought to you by the RDA Corporation says:
But I ain’t signing up.
I tried to register but it said “administrator must review registrations.” You know how wingnut sites are about strict security to keep the “undesireables” out.
July 30th, 2010 at 3:52 amKeith brought to you by the RDA Corporation says:
If anyone wants more of this crap, go to
http://forums.4aynrandfans.com/index.php?showforum=109
But I ain’t signing up.
July 30th, 2010 at 3:53 am–
Ugh. I swear that site is nothing more than a place for this B.Royce guy to spam his shitty poetry. Though I guess it works, shitty conservative poetry on a fan forum for a shitty conservative author.
They’ve got a whole poetry section.
O_o
Emo wingnuts.
July 30th, 2010 at 3:54 amElBruce: brave, brave soul for wading into the cesspool that site must be ~!~
July 30th, 2010 at 3:58 amElBruce says:
They’ve got a whole poetry section.
O_o
Emo wingnuts.
July 30th, 2010 at 3:59 am–
LOL. :)
I can see it now: “Dear Diary, today a liberal called me a retard for not understanding the difference between communism and fascism…OMG where did this elitist get the nerve to call me a retard! I’m off to vent. First I’ll paint my fingernails and then I’ll go target shooting.”
dang. It’s 1:00 am. Nite all.
July 30th, 2010 at 4:00 amKeith brought to you by the RDA Corporation says:
dang. It’s 1:00 am. Nite all.
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Night Keith.
Alright TP, I’m out of here as well. Goodnight everyone! :D
July 30th, 2010 at 4:01 amYou were saying…?
Yup, mature commentary from our resident trolls…
July 30th, 2010 at 4:20 amYup, that sounds like a mature adult and not some petulant juvenile…
July 30th, 2010 at 4:28 amMore sophomoric comments…
July 30th, 2010 at 4:31 amI would ask my fellow progressives to refrain from calling people racists. This is bad behavior and bad politics.
I realize that wingnuts live to call everyone and his brother a socialist, a communist, a libtard (that’s a witty one), a fascist, or a traitor. These are the people who gave us witch hunts, blacklists hate radio, Swiftboating, and Rovean politics, so we know they have among the meanest mouths in the world. Its penchant for character assassination is the central distingishing feature of conservatism today.
But it’s most disheartening to see progressives behaving almost as badly as the Right by flinging the terms racist and racism around, and I would ask them to cease and desist. Perhaps we could reserve the term “racist” for people who call themselves racists. We are not going to win the nation to our point of view by ad hominem attacks.
10 Years without a Leader
July 30th, 2010 at 6:33 amMaybe we should reduce the sentence to the same sentence the drug whores in the Department of the Interior received.
Wait, that would take a big bite out of prison profits wouldnt it?
July 30th, 2010 at 7:30 amLets reduce the sentence to the same sentence war criminals from the US receive.
Wait, that too would take a bite out of prison profits.
July 30th, 2010 at 7:36 amLet’s reduce the sentence to the the sentence that Rangel will receive.
Wait, that too would cut into prison profits.
July 30th, 2010 at 7:37 amLet’s reduce the level of prosecution of this stuff to that Ted Stevens experienced.
July 30th, 2010 at 7:38 amLets reduce the level of prosecution to that Goldman Sachs received.
July 30th, 2010 at 7:40 amLets reduce this to the sentence that BP will receive.
July 30th, 2010 at 7:40 amPelosi tells us that she passed the strongest ethics reform that has been passed in the last century. Is that actually suppose to mean something?
July 30th, 2010 at 7:42 amI suppose “strongest” is relative in her mind.
July 30th, 2010 at 7:44 amPerry,
I my view, using false racially infaming rhetoric to garner votes from the ignorant among us is bad politics in my opinion.
Pointing out that this is occurring is not.
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July 30th, 2010 at 8:22 amPerry, I’m against playing the race card and falsely accusing someone of racism, but some of the comments from certain posters over the past few days have been quite obviously racist, and I don’t think we should be scared to point them out as such.
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July 30th, 2010 at 10:41 amWhen a troll comes on here using the n word, calling the president a boy, and supporting views from teh CCC and Birchers, I sure as heck will call out their racism.
Our trolls are proven racists, again and again. Personally, I have no tolerance for it.
And the operators of this site apparently don’t care.
tony and lido
Perry logan says:
I would ask my fellow progressives to refrain from calling people racists. This is bad behavior and bad politics.
Right, let’s lay off the KKK and Aryan Nations while we’re at it.
If somebody is going to make a racist statement, then I am going to point out that it’s a racist statement. If somebody consistently makes racist statements, then I am going to call them a racist.
Frequently, the only imaginable position which ties together the positions they espouse is that they are being racist. In those cases, the process of elimination leads me to the conclusion that they are being a racist, and I’ll say so. I don’t go there lightly.
But thanks for your concern.
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